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Speaker 1: Welcome to No Dunk's, presented by Sleeper. I'm tas Mellis,

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Speaker 1: but now is not the time to be sleeping, because

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Speaker 1: the NBA season is right around the corner. And with

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Speaker 1: us is a man who has seen many, many of

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Speaker 1: basketball seasons. After a very successful career at Northwestern and Kansas,

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Speaker 1: Rex Walters played seven seasons in the NBA. Rex had

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Speaker 1: a thirteen year pro career overall, playing with the likes

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Speaker 1: of Ai, Tim Hardaway, Kenny Anderson, and since he's been

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Speaker 1: a coach all over in college Jillie Pros, most recently

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Speaker 1: with the New Orleans Pelicans last season. Heck we got

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Speaker 1: him before he heads to Piston's camp this morning, Rex,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Tess. How you doing man? Thanks for having me. I

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Speaker 2: appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great the NBA. I can smell it. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's only a few weeks. AA. It feels good. It

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Speaker 1: feels good right. Basketball is in there. I'm sure basketball

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Speaker 1: is always in the air for you.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 3: I was up at five forty five this morning. My

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Speaker 3: son wanted to work out before school, so we got in,

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Speaker 3: got about good forty five minutes of work and took

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Speaker 3: a little nap afterwards to be honest with him.

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Speaker 2: But now I'm on with you. We're getting ready to

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Speaker 2: talk to who Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, awesome, thanks, thanks for taking the time. I wanted

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Speaker 1: to start with Zion Williamson. He's in the news a

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Speaker 1: little bit. You're with the Pelicans last year, seeing him

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Speaker 1: up close and personal, and I always find it fun

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Speaker 1: to try and figure out what is this guy going

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Speaker 1: to be by the end of his career because he's

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Speaker 1: so unique. You know, you've been around the game thirty

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Speaker 1: plus years, basically your whole life. Is there anybody who

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Speaker 1: reminds you of Zion Williamson that you've seen well?

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Speaker 3: More and more of these guys turned into combinations of

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Speaker 3: the great players that we saw before them. So Zion's

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Speaker 3: a great combination of a Charles Barclay Shaquille O'Neill. Tight

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Speaker 3: because at the rim, he's as dominant as you can get,

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Speaker 3: shooting over sixty percent from the field.

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Speaker 2: He can play through contact, but.

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Speaker 3: Also he handles the ball like Charles was like that,

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Speaker 3: but Charles didn't handle the ball the way Zion does.

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Speaker 3: Zion's truly a point power forward, small forward one through four.

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Speaker 3: Whatever you want to call him, But that's how it's

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Speaker 3: unique because his ball handling, his ability to pass, and

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Speaker 3: we talked about his ability to score at the rim,

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Speaker 3: and he's only going to get better and better because

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Speaker 3: as he refines his game, he works on his shooting,

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Speaker 3: he becomes more comfortable from three.

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Speaker 2: That just makes it more difficult for guys to guard.

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Speaker 3: So it's going to be really fun to see how

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Speaker 3: he continues to develop his game.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you guys in ne Orgons last year and Stan

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Speaker 1: gave him the ball a lot. He was handling it

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Speaker 1: a lot on the perimeter. Is sort of the as

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Speaker 1: you said, the point forward. He was kind of making

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Speaker 1: plays basically in every quarter, especially the fourth, just make

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Speaker 1: it happen. Is there stuff that happened in practice? Like,

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Speaker 1: is there is there stuff that he has in his

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Speaker 1: it just seems like, you know, he came on the scene. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he could finish at the rim, obviously, but now he's handling.

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Speaker 1: Now he's like the point guard essentially, what else does

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Speaker 3: It's really funny. As we were going through training camp,

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Speaker 3: and it was a very short training camp. We were

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Speaker 3: only together as a staff or a very short period

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Speaker 3: of time, and we were talking about the offense and

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Speaker 3: I'm throwing out ideas our whole staff is, and Stan's

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Speaker 3: keeps saying, hey, I want to see what this kid

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Speaker 3: can do. He had the vision of really point Zion

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Speaker 3: and he wanted to see all He didn't want to

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Speaker 3: just post them up. He didn't want to just isolate

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Speaker 3: him on the wing. He didn't want him just running

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Speaker 3: the floor. He wanted him to get it off the

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Speaker 3: glass and push and attack. So it was really Stand

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Speaker 3: it out on the floor. And it took time to develop,

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Speaker 3: of course, but Stand's whole thing is I want to

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Speaker 3: Zion came in every day, was like a sponge, really

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Speaker 3: wanted to get better, wanted to be coached, and so

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Speaker 3: you're just going to see more and more as he

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Speaker 3: But he's truly a unique player. But Stan really got

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Speaker 2: But Stan was like no, no, no, no, no, We're going to see.

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Speaker 3: All the things that he can do because he can

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Speaker 3: really handle the basketball, pass it, and then obviously scored

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Speaker 1: Now a very different team going into camp for the Pels,

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Speaker 1: he could be handling the ball even more. No, Lonzo

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Speaker 1: there obviously, Thomas Sedaranski, Tante Graham there in the back court.

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Speaker 2: What's the next.

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Speaker 1: Step for Zion? Is there something that we're going to

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Speaker 1: see him add when he gets going here in the

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Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting to see the pieces because you did

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Speaker 3: we lost, and Zoe was great about playing on the

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Speaker 3: ball and playing off the ball because those turned himself

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Speaker 3: into a really high level catch and shoot guy. Now

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Speaker 3: you've got a guy like Thomas Santaranski, who's who's a

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Speaker 3: big guard, a big point guard. You've got you know,

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Speaker 3: guys that really can surround him better. You have to

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Speaker 3: put you know, defense and shooting around Zion. That's a

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Speaker 3: really big thing. So Sataranski is a nice piece because

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Speaker 3: you can now switch one through four easy, which is

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Speaker 3: into that as well, Like we can switch more with him,

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Speaker 3: and like I said, if you can do that and

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Speaker 3: what they've tried to do. Valentiuta is a guy that

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Speaker 3: can stretch the floor a little bit more than Steven Adams.

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Speaker 2: Steven Adams that wasn't what he was doing.

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Speaker 3: I think Steven's been working on it and wants to

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Speaker 3: prove that he can do that, maybe in Memphis. But

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Speaker 3: Valentutis is a legit three point threat. So you need

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Speaker 3: now really you can go four out one end and

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Speaker 3: Zion's the end, but he can do it taking off

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Speaker 3: bringing the ball up the floor, putting him and pick

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Speaker 3: like him and JJ Reddick were great and kind of

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Speaker 3: the reverse pick and roll was on handling it and

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Speaker 3: JJ reading the screening angle, reading when to slip, when

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Speaker 3: You want to put those type of pieces around him,

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Speaker 3: and then I think you want to see Bi and

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Speaker 3: Zion take the challenge defensively, which they got better over

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Speaker 3: the course of the season, and that's why our defense

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Speaker 3: got better. We were twenty ninth early in the season.

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Speaker 3: I think at the second half of the season, I

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Speaker 3: we got as high as seventh. So if they can

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Speaker 3: do that, if Willie Green can figure that out, what

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Speaker 3: she will. You know, it's a new team, a lot

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Speaker 2: But defense and shooting. I think those are the two.

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Speaker 3: If you look at the top teams in the playoffs,

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Speaker 3: more times than not there in the top ten in defense,

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Speaker 3: and more time more times than that, they've got really

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Speaker 2: Uh, one of one or the other or both.

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Speaker 1: Right, And you slipped it in there, you said we

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Speaker 1: It was like, you know, it's it's party. It's party, right,

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Speaker 1: You're not part of the staff this year in New Orleans,

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Speaker 1: but uh, you know you obviously put the blood, sweat

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Speaker 1: got to feel like it's it's still you know, you're

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Speaker 1: still a part of it. Why didn't it work out

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Speaker 3: You'd have to talk to Griff and Stan about that one.

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Speaker 3: I think that there was a different vision for what

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Speaker 3: we wanted to do as a staff as opposed to

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Speaker 3: maybe what the front office wanted. You know, Stan is accountability.

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Speaker 3: He's a high level teacher. He puts together a system,

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Speaker 3: and we, like I said, we had about six days

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Speaker 2: Offensively and defensively. It's not like you had a full

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Speaker 3: The staff was was brought in late, really my self

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Speaker 3: at times I think that maybe Griff felt, hey, I

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Speaker 3: wanted to be a little.

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Speaker 2: Bit more fun.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to be a little bit But you know,

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Speaker 3: at the end of the day, you know, it's really

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Speaker 3: fun to me winning winning, winning's really fun. And so

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Speaker 3: there was a high level of accountability because when you

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Speaker 3: have a young team like we did, you want to

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Speaker 3: teach them and and Stan was always talking about let's

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Speaker 3: play winning basketball. That doesn't mean you're always going to win,

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Speaker 3: but there's certain things that equate winning. Defense, rebounding, and

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Speaker 3: then you know shot quality. You know, shots at the rim,

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Speaker 3: that are open so we were always constantly talking and

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Speaker 2: Bit more light, a little bit more you know, fun, But.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, a little bit or something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Like Griff has put together a good team, so you know,

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Speaker 3: hopefully they can have more of that. But the biggest

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Speaker 3: thing is what we took pride in. And I'm no

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Speaker 3: longer there, Bob's no longer their stand up. We took

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Speaker 3: great pride in the fact that our guys got better,

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Speaker 3: you know, Zion got better, Bi, they all had career years,

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Speaker 3: much better on the line, everyone that returned, and we

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Speaker 2: Griff decided to make a change, and you know, he.

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Speaker 3: Has the right to do that, and he's the president

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Speaker 3: and he can make those decisions. And I take pride

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Speaker 1: What do you make of the reports that Zion was

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Speaker 1: unhappy with the organization and that is sort of what

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Speaker 1: precipitated this move towards a new coaching staff. Is there

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Speaker 1: any truth to Zion disliking you know, from top to

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Speaker 1: bottom the reports, or that he just didn't like anything.

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Speaker 3: It seems like, well, I'll say this, there is some

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Speaker 3: carryover with the staff.

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Speaker 2: So Willie's new and they brought in a couple.

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Speaker 3: New assistants, but the rest of the staff pretty much

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Speaker 3: stayed intact. I do think that Zion understands and knows

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Speaker 3: that for his legacy, he's going to be judged by

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Speaker 3: winning and losing. And so they've had two years in

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Speaker 3: They held him out however you want to say it.

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Speaker 3: He was frustrated by that. And then last year we

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Speaker 2: were days where he was tired, but nobody.

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Speaker 3: Understands what a marquee face of the league has to

436
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Speaker 3: go through every day. And he was young, and I'm

437
00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,399
Speaker 3: sure he would say, hey, I didn't always make the

438
00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,399
Speaker 3: best decisions, but when it was time to play, he played,

439
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,480
Speaker 3: and that's why that team got to the finals. And yes,

440
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,080
Speaker 3: he may not have always practiced the way LB wanted

441
00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,359
Speaker 3: him to, but he I'll tell you what, I'd go

442
00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:48,880
Speaker 3: to war with that guy any day of the week,

443
00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:49,840
Speaker 3: and twice on Sunday.

444
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and nobody really cares that MJ went out a

445
00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,560
Speaker 1: heck of a lot as well. I he burned it

446
00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,920
Speaker 1: at both ends. He was able to to make it happen.

447
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,600
Speaker 1: And I know you played in that air against MJ

448
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 1: and had a bunch of great, great, great teammates. Heard

449
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 1: you on other pods talking about Vernon Maxwell and others

450
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,560
Speaker 1: like Jerry Stackhouse and Ai. He played with a lot

451
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Speaker 1: of greats. Is he played with Derek Coleman? Is there

452
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,639
Speaker 1: any Derek Coleman relation to Zion?

453
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Speaker 3: Derek was so skilled, He's not as quite as explosive.

454
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,560
Speaker 3: Derek had unbelievable hands, He could catch anything. He could

455
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:31,240
Speaker 3: shoot threes like in today's game. I think Derek probably

456
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,119
Speaker 3: would have been even more valued because of his ability

457
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,040
Speaker 3: to pass handles, shoot, and he could shoot threes. He

458
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,720
Speaker 3: could post up really really skilled. When he was with Chuck,

459
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,240
Speaker 3: he played some of his best basketball. And I'll say this,

460
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 3: I was fortunate enough to get drafted by the Nets,

461
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,919
Speaker 3: But the loss of Draws and Petrovick changed that organization

462
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,119
Speaker 3: until now until they got KD.

463
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,159
Speaker 2: Kyrie and James Harden.

464
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,120
Speaker 3: You lose a player like Draws, and that affected Derek

465
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,919
Speaker 3: because at that point he knew, like, this thing has changed.

466
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 3: I'm insulting myself because I couldn't fit the shoes of Drasen.

467
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 3: But when you lose a guy like Draws and Petroviik

468
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 3: and their big three was pretty good. Kenny Anderson was

469
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 3: an All Star, Drasen was an All Star, and Derek

470
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 3: was an All Star. You really have a big three

471
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 3: that can compete at a high level and really take

472
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Speaker 3: a jump. And so when they lost Draws, and I

473
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 3: think Chuck even knew it, and that's why he left

474
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Speaker 3: the year after Drawsen passed away, because this was no

475
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,919
Speaker 3: longer a team that was really going to compete at

476
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Speaker 3: a high level.

477
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Speaker 2: For potential championships. And that affected Derek, no question.

478
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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, I read about Derek Coleman just yeah,

479
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 1: just it changed him. It changed obviously, as you said,

480
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Speaker 1: the dynamic of the team that summer. That was when

481
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Speaker 1: you were drafted, right, they lost Draws and that yes,

482
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 1: same summer.

483
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Speaker 3: Yes, that's the reason why I was drafted there, and

484
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 3: I wasn't happy about it. I mean I was hoping

485
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 3: that maybe go to Houston. There's a guy named hakuim

486
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,639
Speaker 3: O LaJuan and I could play a little bit of

487
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 3: point guard, and they got Sam Passel.

488
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Speaker 2: Which worked out for really well for them him.

489
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Speaker 3: But yeah, Draws and Petrick was was a scoring assassin,

490
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 3: like a walking bucket.

491
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Speaker 2: That really wasn't my game.

492
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 3: I was. I was a little bit more of a

493
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 3: you know, pass handles shoot guy, not really looking to

494
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 3: score at at the level that obviously he could.

495
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 2: I thought it was a.

496
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,239
Speaker 3: Combination player with two one one two. Uh and they

497
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 3: needed you know, they missed what Draws and brought because

498
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 3: he was just a straight bucket getter, high level shooter,

499
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,679
Speaker 3: beloved by his teammates and beloved by New Jersey. They

500
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 3: loved Draws and Patrick and what he brought. So that

501
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 3: changed that organization for a long long time.

502
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Speaker 1: All Right, I think uh now was probably a good time.

503
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Speaker 1: Take a quick break. After the break, we'll talk this

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Speaker 1: coming NBA season. You mentioned the Bulls. We've got a

505
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 1: huge bulls guy on this show, and Trey Kirby's not

506
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Speaker 1: with us right right this second, but uh yeah, I'm

507
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Speaker 1: interested to hear your take on the Bulls and a

508
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 1: lot of the things going on in the NBA. So

509
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Speaker 1: stick around. We'll be right back with Rex Walters. All Right,

510
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 1: we're back, Rex, thanks for sticking around and listening to

511
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 1: all those ads. I appreciate it. You know, we got

512
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 1: we gotta sell the stuff here that was good.

513
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 2: At Magic Spoon. Man, I'm interested.

514
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: I want to check it out, all right, sale? Maybe

515
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: I got people interested. That's my job. That's my job

516
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: over here. I'm interested in the NBA season, Rex, it's coming.

517
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: It's it's coming very quickly approaching here. What are just

518
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Speaker 1: your thoughts on any surprises? Maybe people aren't talking about

519
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 1: enough coming up.

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Speaker 3: I think it'll be really interesting, Like as you think

521
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 3: about Atlanta, right, they had like the innocent rise last year,

522
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 3: not a lot was expected.

523
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,360
Speaker 2: They made some really good moves.

524
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Speaker 3: And again they put shooting around Trey Young, they put

525
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 3: more weapons around Trey Young. They did make an in

526
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Speaker 3: season move, and Nate McMillan did a great job of

527
00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 3: coaching that team on an interim basis. He's been signed

528
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 3: long term. But now there's an expectation with Atlanta, so

529
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 3: it'll be interest to see how they handle that. Are

530
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Speaker 3: they still going to be a fifth seed? Are gonna

531
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Speaker 3: Are they going to try to make a move. I

532
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 3: don't know how much movement can happen in the Eastern

533
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 3: compt When you talk about Brooklyn, We'll see what happens

534
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Speaker 3: with Philadelphia and what they're going to be able to

535
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Speaker 3: do with Ben Simmons in that situation.

536
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Speaker 2: Can they get equal value?

537
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Speaker 3: He is an All Star, He's a top fifteen, top

538
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 3: twenty five player that had one bad series that really

539
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 3: had a they're still recovering from that, and he's recovering

540
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Speaker 3: from that in a city that I played in Philly,

541
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Speaker 3: Like if they don't feel like you're bringing it, which

542
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 3: I think Ben Simmons always does, but just just a

543
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 3: cloud over Philadelphia. But it'll be interesting to see what

544
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Speaker 3: in Milwaukee. I mean, what they're going to be able

545
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Speaker 3: to do. You know, is Brooklyn going to be healthy

546
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 3: because what kelthy kd a healthy James Hardy and now

547
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 3: Kyrie with the vaccination stuff going on, are they going

548
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 3: to be able to build the or be healthy when

549
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 3: it's really time, when time really counts.

550
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Speaker 2: So it'll be interesting to see what happens with all that.

551
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Speaker 3: Because last year's The Eastern Company Semifinals was Brooklyn versus Milwaukee,

552
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 3: I can't see that happening again. I'd like to think

553
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 3: that Brooklyn and Milwaukee will be facing in the Eastern

554
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 3: Conference finals.

555
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Philadelphia is the sort of the quietest one seed

556
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: returning here in NBA history. It's just you have the

557
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: flying down the red of the Ben Simmons obviously the cloud.

558
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 1: Will he show up at any point? Sure seems like nope,

559
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 1: that that's not going to happen. And then yeah, you

560
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 1: trickle down the standings there. Yeah, the Hawks are you know,

561
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: our hometown team, our adopted hometown team right now being here,

562
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Speaker 1: the fact that they're just they're going for They're absolutely

563
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Speaker 1: going for it. I thought they were sort of going

564
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: forward a little too early last year with you know,

565
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Speaker 1: making the moves like Danilo Gallinari coming off the bench,

566
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: that type of thing. It just seems like they're one

567
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: through thirteen. They had guys that needed to play and

568
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 1: they still do. They They are absolutely a win now team.

569
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: But there are so many tough, tough Eastern Conference squads.

570
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: We just mentioned a bunch of them. The Celtics with

571
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: im Udoka coming in, should should feel a little bit revitalized.

572
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 1: I mean, they have a really good squad. The heat

573
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: go out and get Kyle Lowry. The Eastern Conference nothing

574
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: to mess around with. And we talked about those Bulls,

575
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: they made win now moves. They got obviously Vucevic at

576
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: the deadline last year they go get DeMar DeRozan, Alex Caruso.

577
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: But I bet I mentioned all these other Eastern Conference teams.

578
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Speaker 1: What do you see the Bulls season looking like it?

579
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Speaker 1: Are they a potential playing team and what are they

580
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: squat in?

581
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

582
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Speaker 3: If they're not a top eight team with that roster Usovich,

583
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Speaker 3: the rosen they got Lonzo Caruso brings championship pedigree. With

584
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 3: the Lakers, they're in a win now time, you know.

585
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 3: And Billy Donovan's a great coach. Zach Lavine is one

586
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 3: of a player. They have all the pieces and so

587
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 3: the talent is there, and now they just got to

588
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 3: all get on the same page and find a way

589
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 3: to play because you've got some really interesting pieces. Zach

590
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 3: Lavine is a sniper scorer, scores at the rim, can

591
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 3: score from three.

592
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 2: De Rozan's a great in between game.

593
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 3: Guy Busaviches is your modern day five man that can

594
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 3: stretch it but also can score in the post.

595
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 2: So how are they gonna make all of that work?

596
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 2: And that's why I think.

597
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 3: Zoe's a really good piece for them because he's a

598
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 3: guy that's really good about getting off the ball and

599
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 3: making making catch and shoot threes and that that's really

600
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 3: his game right now. But he's a willing passer, a

601
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,719
Speaker 3: high level passer. Uh So they've got some great, great pieces.

602
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 3: So but again, New York's gonna be good. The Knicks

603
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 3: are gonna be really good. They're well coach Thibodeau does

604
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 3: a phenomenal job. I just there's not a lot of

605
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 3: wiggle room in the Eastern Conference, and for so long,

606
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 3: you know, Lebron dominated the Eastern Conference, and now everyone's

607
00:28:58,880 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 3: kind of like.

608
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 2: Hey, this is a win. Now time we could sneak

609
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 2: out and win the East and then have a chance

610
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 2: to go all the way.

611
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 3: So it'll be really really interesting. Some teams may have

612
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 3: taken some steps back. I hate to say that, but

613
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 3: there's some teams that maybe have taken a step back.

614
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 3: But some teams have really decided, hey, we're we're going

615
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 3: all in with our chips and we're gonna make a move.

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00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: Which ones took a step back in your opinion, you

617
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: got to ask you, well.

618
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you lose a guy like Kyle Lowry,

619
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 3: Toronto's gonna take a step back. I mean, Nick Nurse

620
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 3: is a phenomenal coach. You lose a guy like Kyle Lowry.

621
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Speaker 3: He was the heart and soul of that team. They

622
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 3: lost a Rose in a few years before that because

623
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 3: they got Kawhi, but Kawhi left. It's hard to overcome.

624
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 3: Sergia Baka is no longer there. You know, you just

625
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 3: can't lose Gasol is no longer there. There's no way

626
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 3: that they're going to be able to stand. It's a

627
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 3: players league, and Nick Nurse is a great coach, but

628
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 3: you gotta have I mean, you can run the best

629
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 3: players in the world. The ball did go in the

630
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 3: net at the end of the play. It's not a

631
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 3: good play, you know.

632
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Speaker 1: And they're playing in Toronto now, Rex they playing Tampa

633
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: last year. Yeah, It's like it's like adding a superstar.

634
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, I would have love to play

635
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 2: in Tampa. Okay, Tampa's not a bad place to be.

636
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 3: The bottom line is they lost a lot, so I

637
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 3: can see them taking a step back.

638
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 2: You know with Kris Labert, you know his issues with

639
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 2: his back. Now, what kind of moves are Indiana going

640
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 2: to be is going to be able to make?

641
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 3: Cleveland's still trying to find themselves as an organization. They

642
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 3: lost a pretty good player a few years back and

643
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 3: they still haven't recovered. And then you've got Orlando. Some

644
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 3: of these teams, you know, they're in a kind of

645
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 3: like a lottery type of mindset. We want to accumulate assets,

646
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 3: accumulate draft picks, and then try to make a move

647
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 3: at the appropriate time. But all those teams, and I

648
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 3: just watched Detroit and Dwayne Casey does a phenomenal job

649
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 3: and Kate Cunningham is really exciting to watch.

650
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 2: But this is a star driven league.

651
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 3: And when you talk about Brooklyn, Philly, Milwaukee, New York Knicks,

652
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 3: Atlanta Hawks, Miami Heat, you know, Boston still has a

653
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 3: very good roster.

654
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 2: See what happens with their point guard situation because Kemball

655
00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 2: was a hell.

656
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 3: Of a heck of a player. Those teams, I don't

657
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 3: think they're going anywhere. They're really fighting for that playoff position.

658
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 3: So a lot of teams are on the outside looking in.

659
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: Have you spent much time in Toronto.

660
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 3: A cold I've been on a few jobs. I've been

661
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 3: on a few jogs in Toronto. It's a beautiful city.

662
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 3: It's a great place to visit.

663
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 2: It's cold. I'm not a big fan of the cold,

664
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 2: although I did. I just moved to Detroit. So what

665
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 2: does that tell you? My family wanted to live here,

666
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 2: so we're gonna deal with it.

667
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you got to talk to to Dwayne Casey

668
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,959
Speaker 1: because he spent so much time in Toronto. Toronto, Tampa.

669
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: Toronto just crushes. Tampa's a nice place too. The weather

670
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: is good, the weather is good. It's a nice, little,

671
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: nice little you know, spot where you can branch out

672
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: a lot of places to go from Tampa right out

673
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: on the Gulf coast there.

674
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 3: But I enjoyed my jog in Tampa last year a

675
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 3: lot more than I ever enjoyed any job in Toronto,

676
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 3: I'll say that much.

677
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just went the wrong half of the year

678
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: in Toronto six months. You can't. You can't go there where.

679
00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: This show's originally from Toronto.

680
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 2: Sure, but.

681
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it'd be hard to go back. We're in Atlanta,

682
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: and I would be hard to go back to the cold,

683
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: no doubt. I like my jogs down here too, that's

684
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: for sure. So you talked about Detroit. One guy that

685
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: you have a relationship with because you were a developmental

686
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: coach in Detroit was Reggie Bulock. I'm sort of interested

687
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: on the in the MAVs situation because they surrounded Luca

688
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: with those kind of guards, like defensive minded guards who

689
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: should be able to stroke it. Reggie Bulock is going

690
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: to the MAVs. They didn't do a lot of sort

691
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: of big name movement over there. They also got Sterling

692
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: Brown Frank Nilakina, who fits the proto type of a

693
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: defensive guard that would help Luca. What do you make

694
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: of of the MAVs surrounding Luca with those types of players.

695
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 3: Well, Reggie's Reggie was phenomenal, phenomenal to work with, really

696
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 3: really smart, highly intelligent, knows his game. He's a he's

697
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 3: a good on ball defender, but also a great team defender.

698
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 3: He's always in the right spots. And then yes, he's

699
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 3: a high level shooter. I remember the three hit against

700
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 3: US last year to put the game in the overtime,

701
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 3: and right when the ball went to him, I knew

702
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 3: that ball was going in.

703
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 2: So that's a great pickup for Dallas.

704
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 3: And I can't sit here and talk about the money

705
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 3: and how that has salary cap implications, but he's a

706
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 3: good pickup that brings value every single day because of

707
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 3: what he brings, and we've talked about it's the defense

708
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 3: and shooting, and he does both of those things at

709
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 3: a high level. He doesn't get outside of himself. He

710
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 3: knows he's not a great ball handler. He knows that

711
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 3: I'm a catch and shoot guy, or I'm attacking clothes

712
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 3: out to the pull up or get to the rim.

713
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 3: But there's not going to be a lot of stuff

714
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 3: on the break. You're not going to pitch ahead, or

715
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 3: he's not going to get it off the glass and

716
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 3: try to push it up. He knows his game and

717
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 3: he's going to bring value. Because now all of a sudden,

718
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 3: when Luca's coming off those spread, high pick and rolls

719
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 3: or on those high pick and roll rip plays, you

720
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 3: have to always know where Reggie Bullock is is and

721
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 3: you know you need to get to him. And then

722
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 3: on the other end, you know Dallas needs to get

723
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 3: better defensively, and Reggie will make that team better defensively

724
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 3: because again he's always in the right spots. He's good

725
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 3: on the basketball, he's a great communicator, and those are

726
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 3: things that help teams win more ballgames.

727
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'll be interesting to see what happens there around

728
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: Luca because Frank Neilakina see if he can rehab his

729
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: career there, Riggie Bulock, as you said, everything that he

730
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: does defensively around Luca, they've got a guy like Dorian

731
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: Finney Smith. They have they have the parts around Luca

732
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 1: to grow. But Luca is gonna have the ball every

733
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: second of every play. But they are going to try

734
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: and J Kidd has talked about Kristaps Porzingis getting it

735
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: a lot more since since he's taken over there. In

736
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: the brief week, he's talking up Chris STAPs. Kristaps is

737
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: gonna shoot from everywhere. So it's gonna be like those

738
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: two guys, and you know it's going to continue to be.

739
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: The players play around them, but Luca is, you know,

740
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 1: makes everybody better.

741
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 3: Obviously, I think that they want to diversify their offense

742
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 3: a little bit. And you're right, You're one hundred percent right.

743
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 3: In my opinion, it's going to be about Luca and

744
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 3: and KP you know, Perzingis and figuring out ways to

745
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 3: use him, figuring out the matchup. Is he a pick

746
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 3: and pop guy when he's going against more of a

747
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 3: drop five or is he a guy going against the

748
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 3: four where now he can post up a little more,

749
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 3: and is he willing to work for a you know,

750
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 3: better positioning and how we're going to run more stuff

751
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 3: for him as opposed to just running a lot of

752
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 3: spread pick and rolls for Luca, which they did and

753
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 3: it was highly efficient. He's a great player, but you

754
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 3: may see more diversification with Jake Kidd, you know, running

755
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 3: the show.

756
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: Interesting. So let's get you out on an NBA Finals prediction.

757
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: I know you you mentioned you get why not and

758
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: people people won't hold you to account, Rex, Like, no one,

759
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: no one's going to look back and say Rex Walter

760
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: said that the Hawks we're going to make the NBA Finals.

761
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: You can say whatever you want. If you want to

762
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: say the Hawks, that's fine. Although you mentioned it's should

763
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: be the Bucks and the Nets in the Eastern Conference finals.

764
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 1: Hard to disagree with that. I know the Hawks are

765
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: trying to do some things there. But yeah, as we said,

766
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: the East is tough, but who do you see coming

767
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: out of the East and coming out of the West,

768
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: and it's you know, hard to forget, like there were

769
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: a couple of teams that's not in there. I mean,

770
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 1: the Bucks have always been good, but the Suns were

771
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: able to do that. Last year they were able to

772
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: sneak in there because of injuries. But maybe this is

773
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 1: a season that it kind of goes back to the

774
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: status quo. Best players get to the to the NBA Finals.

775
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: But what's your opinion, Well, the last.

776
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 3: Two seasons have been crazy, So you talk about playing

777
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 3: in the bubble and all that goes into that. We're in,

778
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 3: you know, right in the middle of the coronavirus and

779
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 3: the last year was nut probably even nuttier because no

780
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 3: fans in the arenas you travel to places, it's a

781
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 3: completely different field. So now the fans are going to

782
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 3: be back in the games. It'd be interesting to look

783
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 3: at the schedule is how compressed are there are they

784
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 3: and how that's going to affect teams. You know, if

785
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 3: I had if someone had a gun to my head,

786
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 3: I would say, hey, Brooklyn is probably gonna come out

787
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 3: of the East.

788
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 2: Now here's the one caveat. It's all about health, it

789
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 2: really is.

790
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not a load management guy, but you

791
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 3: got to figure out a way to keep those three

792
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 3: guys and talk about KD, Harden and.

793
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 2: Kyrie on the floor.

794
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 3: Somehow keep those guys healthy, and if that happens, there's

795
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 3: not a better roster on the eastern side. When you

796
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 3: look at the West, you know, Phoenix got in and

797
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 3: and it's gonna be a big kind of very It

798
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 3: was an innocent rise by Phoenix as well. They added

799
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 3: a really big piece and all of a sudden, everyone

800
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 3: gets better. When CP three is on the floor, he

801
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 3: just knows how to win, saying that every team that

802
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 3: they faced up until Milwaukee was missing a major piece

803
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 3: to their organ to that team, whether it was the Clippers,

804
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 3: whether it was the Lakers, like they were missing pieces

805
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 3: in their journey to the finals. So they have some

806
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:54,240
Speaker 3: things to prove.

807
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 2: Uh.

808
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 3: You look at the big three of the Lakers when

809
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 3: you talk about two MVP guys and Lebron and Westbrook

810
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 3: and then Anthony Davis, who's a top ten, top fifteen

811
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 3: player when he's healthy. If you had to put a

812
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 3: gun to my head, I would say, hey, the Lakers

813
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 3: are coming out. It's gonna be interesting to see with

814
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 3: the Lakers. They were the number one defense last year

815
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 3: and they had defensive guys, but they didn't shoot the

816
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 3: ball as well. And we know Lebron liked shooting, so

817
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 3: because he plays a lot. I mean, Luca plays a

818
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 3: lot like Lebron, I should say where he's trying to

819
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 3: pick a poker defense, But defensively, they may take a

820
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 3: step back and Frank Bovatt is a phenomenal job defensively.

821
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 3: But I'll say this, great defenses start with great defensive players,

822
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 3: and they've maybe taken a step back because they wanted

823
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 3: to add more shooting. So that'll be really interesting to

824
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 3: see how how that all works out for them. And

825
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 3: then can they keep their big three healthy. That's going

826
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 3: to be a big thing for them.

827
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: I know it's hard to you see those names on

828
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: the Lakers, and even though they got a heck of

829
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 1: a lot older, it's hard to just say that that

830
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: team's not going to be great because because yeah, they

831
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: would have been incredible in two thousand and nine with

832
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: all the talent that they have, but yeah, dropping some

833
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: guys like yeah, your centers and Marcasol and Andre Drummond

834
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,479
Speaker 1: and Wesley Matthews and then down the line like Denna

835
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 1: Shruter and Kyle Kuzman. The last two years an incredible defense.

836
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: As soon as Lebron got there, he got everybody in

837
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: the right position. Like you mentioned, about CP three and

838
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: Phoenix Lebron somehow just gets in there and everybody falls

839
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: in line. But will the replacements of Westbrook and Rajon

840
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: Rondo and Dwight Howard and Mellow DeAndre Jordan and Trevor

841
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: Resa and Wayne Allington and Kent Basmore. Are those guys

842
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: going to be able to do it? Because they are

843
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: just simply old, but maybe they can buy By far,

844
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 1: the oldest team in the in the league Rex thirty

845
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: point nine years of age. I saw that the other day,

846
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: and then the next team or the Heat at twenty eight.

847
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 3: So I think the biggest thing, Yeah, the biggest thing too,

848
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 3: is you lose a guy like Caruso defensive minded, can

849
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 3: shoot the basketball. You lose a guy like KCP who's

850
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 3: a high level defender. You lose a guy like you know,

851
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 3: Montrez Harry. You lose those guys.

852
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 2: Your defense. I hate to say it, but it's true.

853
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 3: It's gonna take a step back because the first part

854
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 3: of defense is guarding the ball, and those guys guard

855
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 3: the ball. So it'll be really interesting how their defense

856
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 3: adjust to these new pieces. Because the shooting has gotten better.

857
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 3: They add some pieces that can really shoot the basketball.

858
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 3: So that's gonna be the big question with the Lakers

859
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 3: is how they're gonna defend with not the same level

860
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 3: of defensive players and they lose a pick and pop

861
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 3: five and Gasol. You know, he may not be a

862
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 3: great rim protector, but this guy was a former Defensive

863
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 3: Player of the Year. So those are pieces that are

864
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 3: gonna affect your team and your defense.

865
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: But you still see them coming together just because the

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Speaker 1: coaching and the and heck, it's Lebron and ad and Westbrook.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Westbrook willed Washington into the playoffs last year.

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Speaker 3: Him and Bradley Beal will they willed theirself themselves to

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Speaker 3: the playoffs. Like Russell, Westbrook is different. He's he is

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Speaker 3: a maniacal competitor. He is a He is a one

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Speaker 3: man fast break and so you know you put some

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Speaker 3: shooting around him as well. He gets it off the glass,

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Speaker 3: you've got a chance for a layup. Lebron gets it

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Speaker 3: off the glass, you have a chance at the layup.

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Speaker 3: You got a d running the floor at a high level.

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Speaker 3: Like those are pieces like easy buckets you get with

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Speaker 3: guys like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Lebron's gonna love playing with Westbrook because Lebron can

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Speaker 1: do some chilling Westbrook, and it's gonna handle it all

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Speaker 1: the time. As you said, take it off the glass.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna love Lebron's gonna love the regular season, and

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Speaker 1: then when it comes to the playoffs, the keys back

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Speaker 1: in his hands. Probably that's uh, that's how Bron does it.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank you Rex for for coming on.

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Speaker 1: Best of luck to your son. You mentioned off the top,

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Speaker 1: Gunner Walters going into senior year of high school.

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, senior year high School's good player. He shot

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Speaker 3: the he shot the heck out of it today this morning.

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Speaker 3: So he's got practice tonight and I gotta watch go

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Speaker 3: watch football game. My other son's playing football, and so

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Speaker 3: this has been it's been a fun time for me.

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Speaker 3: And I'll watch a lot of basketball all the way.

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Speaker 3: So thank you for having me. It's always fun for

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Speaker 3: me to talk basketball. It's the one thing I can

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Speaker 3: actually semi intelligently talk about.

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Speaker 2: So thanks for having me talk.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you. I'm totally with you. That's the only

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Speaker 1: thing I can intelligently talk about as well. So best

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Speaker 1: luck to you, Best luck to Gunner. He's a lefty

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Speaker 1: just like Pops, right, He's a lefty shooter. But he's

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Speaker 1: a gunner, but he's a pass first guy. I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to get him to be a little more selfish.

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Speaker 2: We'll see.

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Speaker 1: That's a good problem to have, all right, Rex, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for coming on and have a great

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Speaker 1: NBA season. Appreciate you. Thanks for having me. All right,

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Speaker 1: that was a lot of fun talking to Rex. I

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Speaker 1: want to make sure you guys know what's coming up

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Speaker 1: here on the show. We've got the top ten unlikeliest

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Speaker 1: NBA champions coming up. The basketball shows are starting. We

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Speaker 1: just did Monday. We discussed the twenty five players who

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Speaker 1: should be locks when the NBA names their top seventy

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Speaker 1: five players in October. It's only a couple weeks away,

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Speaker 1: so Skeets put that list together. Go check that out.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the basketball shows are starting, but we also

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Speaker 1: have fast friends Hobbs and Shaw. What yeah, that's happening.

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Speaker 1: That review dropping tomorrow on Thursday morning, or you can

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Speaker 1: access it right now on the Athletic app or by

919
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: subscribing to the Athletic Audio Plus on Apple Podcasts. And

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Speaker 1: another non basketballie, got to remind you of this one.

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Speaker 1: We're talking Survivor. I'm getting it into it too, No

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Speaker 1: Buffs live on YouTube five thirty Eastern on Thursday, and

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Speaker 1: I mentioned that because it's on the No Bus feed,

924
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: you have to get it on the No Bus feed.

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00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,879
Speaker 1: It's no longer on the No Dunks feed. The link

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Speaker 1: is in the show notes here on YouTube, and it'll

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Speaker 1: also be at as a podcast, which is also on

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Speaker 1: a brand new feed, So go get No Buffs separately

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Speaker 1: from No Dunks. That was a lot of fun. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much, Clipper Bros. You heard it here.

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Speaker 2: First, have a great time turn up. Love you guys awesome.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. And remember, as Rex told us

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Speaker 1: about on iverson the g I practiced. Can you believe it?

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Speaker 1: He did?

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Speaker 2: You could stay ooo every day, my dad, you happy

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Speaker 2: every minute. It's been so long that you're no mona

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Speaker 2: waiting for. It's happened already.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be goody