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Speaker 1: She's got four Emmys in reshape morning television. But did

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Speaker 1: you know Kathy Lee Gifford once sat at Jimmy Kimmel's

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Speaker 1: side for the first week of his late night show.

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Speaker 1: So what went wrong? She tells me on this Arroyo Grande.

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Speaker 1: Come on, thanks, I'm Raymond Arroyo. Welcome to Arroyo Grande.

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Speaker 1: She's a four time Emmy Award winner. For twenty five

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Speaker 1: years she dominated morning TV with her pals Regis Philbin

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Speaker 1: and later Hota Codby. She's a playwriter, producer, singer, songwriter,

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Speaker 1: and actress. I joined her at her home in Nashville

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Speaker 1: and we got into everything from how she and Regis

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Speaker 1: Philbin changed TV to what really happened with Jimmy Kimmel

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Speaker 1: And did you know Kathy Lee once co hosted his

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Speaker 1: late night show when it launched, you were part of

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Speaker 1: not only great morning TV, you were on all those

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Speaker 1: great late night shows as well. It was a very

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Speaker 1: different vibe.

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Speaker 2: It was dynamic, it was exciting, they got all full

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Speaker 2: of themselves. And I remember I liked Jimmy Kimmel as

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Speaker 2: a person. When Jimmy got his late night show, he

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Speaker 2: called me and he goes, Kathy, I don't know what

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Speaker 2: I'm doing. Will you come in the first week and

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Speaker 2: help me? WI your co host with me the first week?

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Speaker 1: And I said sure.

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Speaker 2: I got off from from and I went out to

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Speaker 2: LA and I was with Jimmy that that very first

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Speaker 2: week of him trying to, you know, find finally, you

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Speaker 2: know what. There we all learned to swim in new waters.

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Speaker 2: You know, you got to learn to to do that.

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Speaker 2: Every show is different, and especially if you go from

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Speaker 2: a huge leap from you know what.

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Speaker 3: He did that man show kind of thing, and then

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Speaker 3: he went to that.

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Speaker 2: And I and I knew it helped him, and he

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Speaker 2: was he was grateful all and then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: I see it clips or something of this person that

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Speaker 2: I used to enjoy being with and enjoyed making television with,

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Speaker 2: and I go, I don't even recognize him anymore. I

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Speaker 2: don't recognize him. I love Jimmy Fallon, What a talented

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Speaker 2: guy he is. They all got scared of being canceled.

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Speaker 2: I never cared. They tried to cancel me my entire career.

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Speaker 2: I said, fine, I don't work for you. I work

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Speaker 2: for the I work for a higher power.

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Speaker 1: And you're true to that gift.

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Speaker 3: I'm true to the Yeah, you go ahead and cancel me.

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Speaker 1: I don't care.

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Speaker 2: I will find something else to do where I can

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Speaker 2: be me. But you're not going to that whole. God

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Speaker 2: doesn't cancel people. God embraces people. Jesus never canceled anybody.

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Speaker 4: He walked with them, he talked with him, He eat

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Speaker 4: with them and love them, and it showed them the

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Speaker 4: way to a life of joy and a life.

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Speaker 2: Of of of service and a life of purpose, the

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Speaker 2: exact opposite of cancer. You see, cancel all. It's cancer culture.

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Speaker 2: Yeah I cancer came out. Yeah, I didn't mean it

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Speaker 2: that way, but I and I wish everybody well. But

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Speaker 2: don't you mess with my authenticity that comes straight from

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Speaker 2: the Lord God.

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Speaker 1: You know what I love. I went back and watched

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Speaker 1: you in Regis this week. Those openings they were never

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Speaker 1: you know what struck me most. They were never mean. Never.

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Speaker 1: You didn't trash somebody and say look at Madonna, what

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Speaker 3: You never did never, and we never did it to.

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Speaker 1: We tease each other, teach each other and talk about

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Speaker 1: your own foibles and yes, but never meeting someone on

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Speaker 1: the street. But it was never cruel.

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Speaker 2: It was never mean, right, And that's what happens when

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Speaker 2: you lose That's what's happened. When you lose God in

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Speaker 2: your life. You get mean because you get angry. You

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Speaker 1: You said something recently that, particularly with what's happening in

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Speaker 1: When I was growing up, what was rare was cruelty.

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Speaker 1: And how do we get it back?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the minute we just leave God out

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Speaker 2: of any equation, it's at our own risk and peril.

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Speaker 2: God doesn't want to hurt us.

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Speaker 1: But when we move.

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Speaker 3: Behavior, then we pay a price for it. He gave

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Speaker 1: I don't even like to call him the Ten commandments.

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Speaker 2: He gave us their blessings. They're really blessings. The ten

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Speaker 2: blessings if you do this. This is why I will

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Speaker 2: bless you if you do this. And even the you know,

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Speaker 2: love your your mother and your father, that you may

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Speaker 2: And I don't think that that we are a Christian

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Speaker 2: But one of the greatest aspects of our country is

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Speaker 2: That's what Jesus did. Jesus embraced, Jesus embraced now and

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Speaker 2: that's what Charlie Kirk was doing, trying to embrace people.

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Speaker 2: They say, please come, come join us, dine with me,

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Speaker 1: But do you think we've do you think we've reached

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Speaker 5: Cruelty, cruel spacious, viciousness, meanness that that's so poisoned not

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Speaker 5: only the conversation we're hearing, we're seeing every.

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Speaker 1: Day of our lives. But the behavior around us.

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Speaker 3: No, I know, But that's because they hate God. They

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Speaker 2: How do you hate something you don't even believe? That's

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Speaker 2: don't think he even exists. People are desperate for love,

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Speaker 2: they're desperate for tenderness, they're desperate for kindness, and they

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Speaker 3: They do. They lash out out of their brokenness.

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Speaker 2: And Jesus understood that so well, so well, And the

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Speaker 2: only time he ever got angry, and all the scripture

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Speaker 2: he knocked over not the money changers, knocked over the

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Speaker 2: the Pharisees and the Sadducees turned against Jesus because they went,

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Speaker 2: he's going to He's changing everything. The people are following him.

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Speaker 2: The people are not going to tithe. The people are

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Speaker 2: to Jesus said, God doesn't want your money.

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Speaker 3: He wants you to love him. He wants you to

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Speaker 1: You said something about cancel culture the other day, you said,

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Speaker 1: it's a cancer. A cancer. It is this idea of

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Speaker 1: I now see it everywhere. It's really destructive. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right. Yeah, I totally believe that. And I

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Speaker 1: But how do you stay and this is the real

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Speaker 2: It seems like it, but it hasn't been. You know,

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Speaker 2: said I am I am Charlie Kirk. I am Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 2: And if this young man, truly beautiful young man I

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Speaker 1: So happy here? It's because there's a.

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Speaker 2: To use whatever gift that I've been given from God

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Speaker 2: But Billy Graham years ago, when I was in my

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Speaker 2: want you to be the next co host of Good

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Speaker 2: Morning America. I said, I don't want it. Wow, I

442
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 2: didn't want it.

443
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Speaker 3: I said, this is not me.

444
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Speaker 1: It was a bad fit.

445
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Speaker 2: So they said, okay, you got me an audition, and

446
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Speaker 2: after I think two or two times with Regis, they said,

447
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 2: there's nobody we're meant for this. And so that's that started.

448
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,879
Speaker 2: Fifteen years with him, and we changed the entire landscape

449
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Speaker 2: of daytime television.

450
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Speaker 1: We didn't even know we were doing it. Tell me

451
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Speaker 1: what the secret was. First of all, tell me a

452
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Speaker 1: better word, f you and yes, the only F word

453
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 1: you can say on this show.

454
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Speaker 3: I can say fart all right, that's four letters.

455
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 1: All right, that's right, which is better than the alternative.

456
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Speaker 1: But what was it about. I mean, I'm a big

457
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Speaker 1: believer in chemistry. It's either there or will never be there.

458
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Speaker 3: You can't. You can't mix it up in a Petrio desk.

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Speaker 1: You just can't.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't work that way.

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Speaker 1: They try. Every day. You see people who hate each

462
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Speaker 1: other on TV. You can feel it. I can feel it.

463
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 1: I can feel it.

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Speaker 2: Ah, yeah, no, it's it doesn't work. It doesn't work.

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Speaker 1: But what worked between you and regis that first time.

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Speaker 3: Well there's two things.

467
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Speaker 5: Was.

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Speaker 2: First of all, neither one of us thought of ourselves

469
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Speaker 2: as as journalists. We weren't trying to be you know,

470
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Speaker 2: impressed people with our journalistic and whatever. No, all that

471
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Speaker 2: I would call it pseudo intellectualism. You know, we didn't

472
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Speaker 2: do that. We just had fun. We found the silly

473
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Speaker 2: in each other. We also respected each other so much.

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Speaker 2: I was a had been a performer since I was

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Speaker 2: ten years old, getting paid for it. He had been

476
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Speaker 2: on radio first, and he just he was a performer.

477
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Speaker 1: And I and he was with Joey Bishop, that Joey Bishop.

478
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 2: Stripes, I had two and we were so it was

479
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Speaker 2: it was a combination of and we both felt like

480
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Speaker 2: finally we got our foil.

481
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Speaker 3: We got the guy. This is a guy I want

482
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Speaker 3: to play ping pong with, you know.

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Speaker 1: And that's what happened. And you'd go out, he'd come,

484
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Speaker 1: I know, with a pile of something from the New

485
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: York Post usually yeah, he'd have the newspapers in his hand, right.

486
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Speaker 1: You all would basically riff on what was happening. Yep.

487
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Speaker 3: No script never, never, we didn't have any any writers.

488
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Speaker 1: No teleprompter at all to get in and out of

489
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Speaker 1: a segment. But that's it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, no teleprompter at all. And we would we'd say,

491
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Speaker 2: uh yeah, twenty three minutes out of the first half hour.

492
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Speaker 2: We never went to commercial until twenty three minutes were up.

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Speaker 1: And and you wouldn't prep at all. He wouldn't be

494
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Speaker 1: in the dressing rooms. Hey we're going to hit.

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Speaker 3: We never saw each other before.

496
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Speaker 1: Oh you didn't want to see him on purpose.

497
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 2: We got hair and makeup separately and didn't even say

498
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Speaker 2: good morning until we walked out. Now I can remember

499
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 2: that the music and that's what i'd been getting our

500
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Speaker 2: chair and we.

501
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Speaker 1: To keep it fresh. It was real.

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Speaker 2: It was authentic, but totally authentic. That's the key to

503
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Speaker 2: for me. It's been the key to everything.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel that's gone today?

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Speaker 3: No, I'm still around.

506
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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about you. I mean when you look

507
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 1: at other people that are now filling the airwaves, so

508
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: you feel a bit of that authenticity has been leached away.

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Speaker 2: I think in the news world, death Wanning, that's gone

510
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 2: and they and they deserve it, and they and they

511
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 2: and nobody watches and their ratings are totally gone because

512
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 2: they've deserved.

513
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 1: They deserve the.

514
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Speaker 2: Fact that nobody respects him anymore. They have they had

515
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 2: a privilege of being journalists, privilege in the news, and

516
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 2: that everybody got political, everybody got you into all of that,

517
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Speaker 2: and I, because thank you, Billy.

518
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 3: Graham, never did.

519
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 2: And I think there are a lot of people, a

520
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 2: lot of very very real people in podcasting now and

521
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 2: a lot of but more and more people want what

522
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 2: other people have. But don't want to work for it.

523
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 2: We live in an entitled society where somebody wants.

524
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Speaker 1: What you've got.

525
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 2: They want what I've got, and they've never put in

526
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Speaker 2: the work. I don't respect that.

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Speaker 1: No, regis philb and you what was the best and

528
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Speaker 1: the worst part of doing that show for all those years?

529
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Speaker 3: Gosh, there was no worst part, really.

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Speaker 1: No.

531
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Speaker 2: I had to get up very very early because I

532
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 2: commuted it for each lived across the street, of course,

533
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 2: in a penthouse, and they'd walk across the street and drive

534
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 2: people crazy all the way. And I came in all

535
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Speaker 2: the way from Greenwich, Connecticut because I wanted to raise

536
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Speaker 2: my kids there. Didn't want him to raise I didn't

537
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 2: want to raise him.

538
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Speaker 1: In the wise room.

539
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think so. In fact, I know so nothing.

540
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of great kids come out of

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Speaker 2: New York.

542
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Speaker 1: But it wasn't.

543
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Speaker 2: I was never a New Yorker. I was grateful for

544
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Speaker 2: New York. Frank was grateful for New York. I mean,

545
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 2: both of us had amazing careers because New York was

546
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 2: good to us, right, But no, I knew how I

547
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 2: wanted to raise my babies. And uh so the hard part,

548
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 2: the only hard part was the commute, you know, and.

549
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Speaker 3: The best part just being with him every day.

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Speaker 2: I would I'd wake up every morning and be excited.

551
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,479
Speaker 2: I'm gonna see reach, We're gonna have fun. What are

552
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 2: we going to talk about today?

553
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: We don't know.

554
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 3: We don't know, and it's gonna be fun to find

555
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 3: out he did. And it would just and we never

556
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 3: ever planned it.

557
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 1: In many ways, I think you all are liked the

558
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: first podcasters, huh, because you're talking a lot of what

559
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: people are doing now is what you all coined, which

560
00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: was free flowing conversation between two friends about topics of

561
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Speaker 1: the day and things.

562
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 3: People were interested whatever, but.

563
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 1: They entered into that relationship. And now that those relationships

564
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: they don't have them in real life, they'd become more precious.

565
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 3: Well, we just loved each other.

566
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: You saw that we loved each other.

567
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 2: We made each other how with laughter, and it was

568
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 2: authentic laughter, you know, we didn't need We.

569
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Speaker 3: Never had a laugh track with our audience.

570
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: It was live.

571
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 3: It was live and a live it really was.

572
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Speaker 2: And I used to say when I was walking out

573
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Speaker 2: and going to meet him on the stage, I said,

574
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 2: I'd like learn how long till I make him laugh?

575
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: Five seconds?

576
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 3: Today?

577
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,479
Speaker 2: Five seconds, I'm going to get a laugh at them

578
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 2: a minute, and that would be my goal to just

579
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Speaker 2: get him laugh in them. And it always worked.

580
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Speaker 1: Wow. And he was a bit of a curmudrant. I

581
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: mean yeah, he was like me, like he liked to complain.

582
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Speaker 1: That was part of his that's yeah. And I loved it.

583
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Speaker 3: I loved him and I was unshine right now, I'm

584
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 3: a curmudgeon.

585
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: So you taught you well, he taught you well. Well,

586
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: I got old well that that happened. It happened to

587
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: the best of it. Did anyone at ABC ever tell

588
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: your agents or managers ever say, you know, Kathy, we

589
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: love you. It's working well. Pulled back on the faith thing,

590
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: don't mention the god thing. Never did that.

591
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: I would have walked in five seconds. I would have said,

592
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 2: well then then you don't want me, uh huh. If

593
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: you don't want he comes with me. I'm with that guy.

594
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 2: And the ratings were just yeah, no, no, the ratings.

595
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: And they would say, can she say that? Do we

596
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: want it saying that?

597
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 2: And they didn't believe it or any but but the

598
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 2: audience went. Our audience. We used to get like eights,

599
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,959
Speaker 2: which nobody would have said in the Nielsen ratings huge, huge, huge,

600
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 2: and now people are lucky to get we're blessed to

601
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Speaker 2: get what a one?

602
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: Yeah that bad bad. Realize you realized cable television is

603
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: now beating all the broadcasts except for football games.

604
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 2: I remember when cables just started and everybody was laughing

605
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 2: at it, and Frank.

606
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: Said, it's going to be huge. Yeah, it's going to

607
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: be huge. And now streaming, now streaming is recruiting.

608
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 3: On that something else will take over that.

609
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: Yes, it's it's all sick. I mean this has become

610
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,719
Speaker 1: streaming is basically becoming cable. But you get to decide

611
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: when you watch the show. I like that.

612
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 3: I like freedom.

613
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: I think everybody likes it. Yeah, which is it's the future?

614
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: Tell me about Hoda. You then you then go back

615
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Speaker 1: to daytime television with Hoda after eight years away. I know,

616
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Speaker 1: why would you do that? First?

617
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:39,239
Speaker 3: Didn't want to?

618
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: I know you kind of didn't. You were kind of

619
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Speaker 1: committal at the beginning.

620
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Speaker 2: I thought I'd done the best daytime television I could

621
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Speaker 2: do best fifteen years of television.

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Speaker 1: That was in me was Reaches.

623
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the master of it all, I mean, the king

624
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Speaker 3: of it.

625
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Speaker 1: He was just he was didn't worry about the chemistry.

626
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Speaker 3: I didn't know her.

627
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 2: See I knew Regis for years watching him in Los Angeles,

628
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 2: so I mean I could I knew right away we.

629
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: Won't have some fun. We're going to have a whole

630
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: lot of fun. Did you accommodate your character if you will?

631
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: Your personality to him? Knowing who he was, and thought,

632
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: I'll bring up this part of me to kind of

633
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: balance him.

634
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 3: No, all I did is show up, not.

635
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: A conscious never I'm going to play this part of me.

636
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 3: I'm just going to react to him.

637
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 2: I'm just going to be honest, and I'm going to

638
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 2: bring something maybe fun that happened to me.

639
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: I'll bring something to the table. And what was the

640
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: approach with Hoda? What did you think with Hoda?

641
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 3: I had to get to know her. Bill Jim Bell.

642
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 2: Jim Bell was the executive producer of The Today Show

643
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 2: at the time, and he came over to my house

644
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 2: and tried to talk me into it, and I said, Jim,

645
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 2: I've done the best television I can do. I'm writing

646
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 2: for Broadway now, you know. I'm just I'm really moving

647
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: on to those final dreams that are still in the

648
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:01,479
Speaker 2: little girl that fell out of them.

649
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: With the press fall out of her mother's womb.

650
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: I still have them, and you can't in daytime television

651
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 2: pursue those kinds of dreams. Movies take a long time.

652
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 2: Broadway takes out Broadway decades, decades. Yeah, thirteen years. I

653
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 2: tried to bring my Broadway show and then it closed

654
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: in three weeks because of Hurricane Sandy and some brutal

655
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 2: reviews because people didn't want Jesus on Broadway or a

656
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 2: woman who loved him, even.

657
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: Though a complex woman. It's a great show.

658
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 3: I thought, I know you did, thank you. And that

659
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 3: was thirteen years.

660
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: I wrote that, rewrote it one hundred times and three

661
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 2: out of town tryouts, and it's just a lot of money.

662
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 2: And I still have this of my professional life. It's

663
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 2: the biggest heartbreak of my professional life. Really was that, Yeah,

664
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 2: my Broadway show. Whatever reason, God had.

665
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: It, and he wanted your back in television. I didn't.

666
00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 2: I guess I don't know what he wanted. I know

667
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 2: I didn't want. I didn't want to go back to television.

668
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 2: And it was Frank who talked me into it. He said,

669
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 2: she's fantastic and she was just a very very good

670
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 2: journalist back then when I met her.

671
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: I knew her from New Orleans. Yes, I knew it

672
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: because she was a local New Orleans.

673
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: Yes, beloved, Yes, I know that. But I didn't know

674
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 2: any of that stuff. And I didn't watch television after

675
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 2: I left it at all.

676
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 3: I'd have it on. I'd have a cable on for news.

677
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: I'm a news junkie back when you could trust the

678
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 2: news you were getting, you know, not so sure?

679
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: Not Yeah, So he.

680
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 2: Said, he said, well, you at least have lunch with Kate,

681
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 2: with her, and I said, yeah, of course, I mean yeah.

682
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 2: So we went to lunch at the uh where was

683
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 2: it? It was right across the street at the Rainbow Room,

684
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 2: and by one o'clock lunch, and by about six they

685
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 2: were trying to get us out for the dinner crowd.

686
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 2: And she we went to the ladies room afterwards, and

687
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 2: I said, you know, holda, I don't. I don't want

688
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 2: to come back to television, and I really don't. And

689
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 2: but you and I could have a fun show. I

690
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 2: know that if you just the person that I just

691
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 2: had lunch with, if she would show up and be

692
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 2: with me on air, we could have a really fun show.

693
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 3: I'm not sure we could be a hit at ten

694
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 3: in the morning.

695
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you.

696
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: Lose so many viewers At that point, I said, but

697
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 2: but I just really want you to know how special

698
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 2: you are, and you'll be, You'll be, You're gonna have

699
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 2: a great career. You're gonna have an amazing career. But

700
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm probably not gonna do it. So anyway,

701
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 2: it was it was Frank that said do it, Kathy,

702
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 2: do it for one year. And Jdah came to the

703
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,720
Speaker 2: house to meet Frank and the kids and and Frank

704
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 2: took her aside and he said, Yoda, I've talked to Kathy,

705
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 2: and I think I've got her to say, okay for

706
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 2: a year. But I just want you to know. You

707
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 2: need to know one thing about Kathy. She will have

708
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 2: your back, you will you can trust her. She is

709
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,959
Speaker 2: not going to use you and and throw you away.

710
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 2: She doesn't, that's not her mo o. And And so

711
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 2: that gave hoda confidence, confidence too because she was stepping

712
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 2: into even though she'd been at the Today Show for years,

713
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 2: I was the one that was well known for daytime television,

714
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 2: and so you know, it was she took a risk

715
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 2: as well, and we had fun from day one. But

716
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 2: It's funny. I knew it was just not going to

717
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 2: last much longer because she she was she was married

718
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 2: to her notes, which you're not married to her notes.

719
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: She's you know, Very was a journalist married to her notes.

720
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 2: And she had the IFB in her ear, the interrupted feedback,

721
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 2: which is, you know somebody else is talking to you. Well,

722
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 2: I'm talking to you, and there's say, you know, Kathy,

723
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 2: I goes, get out of my head, Get out of

724
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 2: my head so I can talk to this person.

725
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 1: Okay. I hated it.

726
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 2: I used to say, if God wanted me to have

727
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 2: an i FB, I would have been born with it,

728
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 2: and I wasn't. So I just hated that. So one

729
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,720
Speaker 2: day we were out on the plaza and this wind

730
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 2: came up and it just blew every one of her

731
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 2: cards away, and I went, it's some miracle. Then the

732
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 2: weather got, you know, cold, and we went in for

733
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: the winter like bears or something.

734
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 3: I don't know what we did, but.

735
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: We go in and.

736
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 3: I said, hell, Hodah, talk to me. I'm the one

737
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 3: I'm sitting here.

738
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: Isn't that fascinating? You know? I did television with mother Angelica,

739
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: who founded AWTN, and one of the first shows I

740
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: did with her. I had my notes. The music started,

741
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: the intro music. She said, what's that you got there?

742
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: I said, these my notes, you know, just let me see.

743
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: I said, well, we're about to start. Let me see.

744
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: She took the notes. She says, you don't need this.

745
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: She put it behind her and she's laughing as the

746
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: show starts and her music is starting. And I said,

747
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: what did you do that for? She said, sweetheart, this

748
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: is about a brother sharing with a sister and a

749
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: sister sharing with her brother. Hello, family, Welcome.

750
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 3: To the show.

751
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: And that was it. We were off to the races.

752
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 1: And you know I never.

753
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 3: Brought that's such a blessing.

754
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: Well, when you're trained, you know, and I have Hotus

755
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: training and I have your train. When you're trained in

756
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,240
Speaker 1: a certain way, you want to keep things on track

757
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: and not use your way right. And the truth is

758
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: the fun happens in between.

759
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 2: The time happens when you don't control anything.

760
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: Tell me about Frank. You mentioned it a moment ago.

761
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 1: I know he's been gone for ten years this year,

762
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: which has got to be a heartache on you. A

763
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: blessing in another way, Yeah, yeah, it's both. I know

764
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 1: he sees them. You know what he's going.

765
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 2: Oh, that's that that was more beautiful than the last

766
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 2: one that was going to be, that was going to

767
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 2: be a great athlete. That was how about five now

768
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: under the age of three, my my my son's latest

769
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 2: and I hope the third and final child. They're living

770
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 2: in my house in Connecticut, and I'm glad they're there

771
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: because Cody has made it, brought it back to its

772
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 2: gorgeous self. And they moved into COVID They only going

773
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 2: to stay for a couple until and then.

774
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 3: He was helping me. He said, Mom, did you realize

775
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 3: that this is wrong? Mom?

776
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 2: Do you realize that we need a new roof? I

777
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: wasn't paying attention, you know. And so I'm grateful to

778
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 2: him and to Erica's beautiful wife, and I love seeing

779
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 2: his sons. And the next baby is as a girl,

780
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 2: so we'll have they'll have a little girl too. Running

781
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 2: down the same lawn that Mike, that Cody did and

782
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 2: Cassidy did, and swimming in the same pool, and running

783
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 2: around same neighborhood and just having barbecuing in the same spot.

784
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 2: It makes me happy to know that it's Frank's legacy

785
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 2: for sure. Is is alive and well, you know alive

786
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 2: and well, so yeah, it's we talk about it all

787
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 2: the time, but every one of us has grieved in

788
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 2: our own ways. And you know, to be a obbosite from

789
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,479
Speaker 2: the body is to be pressed with the Lord. That's

790
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 2: a second Corinthians five.

791
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: I believe, I get.

792
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 3: I used to know all this stuff.

793
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we're more alive.

794
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: We're more alive, yes, yes, exactly, We're as alive as

795
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 2: we will ever be in our experience and of being

796
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 2: a not a creature of God but God's creation creation. Yeah,

797
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 2: we're a lot more alive than ever. And so I

798
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 2: you know, I found them dead on the ground. I'd

799
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 2: left him twenty five thirty minutes before to get ready

800
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 2: for church. I come downstairs and I could this was

801
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 2: a look on his face. And I said, oh my god,

802
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 2: he saw Jesus. Wow, and Jesus took his breath away.

803
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: Beautiful.

804
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 2: I wrote that song that was with both Brett James,

805
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 2: brilliant writer.

806
00:39:54,160 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 3: And he saw Jesus, He's saw jee and he took

807
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 3: his breath away. He was a man who never wanted

808
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 3: to leave his house, but he went home that day.

809
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 3: It's a good song.

810
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 2: And so anyway, yeah, and I lived. I didn't go

811
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 2: out hardly at all except to go to work for

812
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 2: the next two years. Didn't want to. I didn't want

813
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 2: that look that people would give me. Strangers to go

814
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 2: and they go, I go, please, please don't do that.

815
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 2: You don't know me, you don't know what I'm going through.

816
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:32,439
Speaker 3: Please don't.

817
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 2: I don't want to be hugged by people that don't

818
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: know me, that I don't know.

819
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 3: I just and I knew they meant well. But I

820
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 3: couldn't deal with it for two years.

821
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 2: So I went where it was safe, and that was

822
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 2: at the show with Hoda and my crew there that

823
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 2: they were fantastic. And then I went out Calhoda and

824
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 2: and you know, made me go out with this guy.

825
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 3: This guy that I got, A guy got me. So

826
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 3: I went out with him. And it was just a disaster.

827
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 2: Unless somebody shares my values and my faith, it's going

828
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 2: to be a disaster.

829
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 3: The Bible says, do not.

830
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 2: Be unequally yoked. And I can't be with somebody. He

831
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 2: was a Jewish guy. We're a very nice guy, very

832
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 2: very successful guy, and all that stuff. But I said,

833
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: he said, what do you mean You're not gonna you

834
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 2: won't go out with me again because because I don't

835
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 2: believe Jesus is my Lord and savior Jesus Christ.

836
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 3: I said, yeah, that's basically.

837
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: It's a prerequisite. It's a prerequisite. Here's what.

838
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 3: But that's so, And I said, it's what.

839
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 2: Why would I want to share the most intimate part

840
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 2: of my life with somebody that doesn't share my faith.

841
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: I just tell me how your faith got because I've

842
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: always look when you're in the public eye, particularly where

843
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 1: you were, when when scandal hits and the media comes

844
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: after you, Oh my gosh, whether it's factory workers in

845
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: foreign lands, that's right, or your husband's of ability, that's right. Whatever,

846
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: this has to take an awful toll on you personally

847
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: because you have to stay in public.

848
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't have to. I could have said, you

849
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 2: know what, I'm done with this. Yeah, I'm out of here.

850
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 2: But every time things like that happen, the Lord would

851
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: remind me that I was there for a purpose and

852
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 2: it wasn't about me. And he knew the truth. He

853
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 2: knew I never had sweatshops, never had him never. You know,

854
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 2: you can't have a sweatshop unless you have worker that

855
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 2: you hire workers, and you have a factory.

856
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 3: I didn't have any of any of that. But it

857
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 3: was ugly. It was ugly beyond believe.

858
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: It became personal.

859
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 3: It was about my character.

860
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: He is a horrible person. That was me, and a

861
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: lot of people.

862
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 3: Wanted to believe that my coward Stern won't.

863
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: I said, I told you, I told you she's a phony,

864
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 2: She's in all that stuff. I just kept praying, praying,

865
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 2: praying for Howard Stern. All of that was fine. After all,

866
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,959
Speaker 2: he just he begged for my forgiveness and I said,

867
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 2: I forgave you a long time ago. Alward you know, yeah,

868
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 2: yeah you do. That's what we have to do as

869
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: believers in Jesus. That's what Jesus did. Yeah, So it

870
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:08,720
Speaker 2: was hard.

871
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: I'm sure the infidelity was a harder battle.

872
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 3: Then well, they came on right on.

873
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 2: The The one was in ninety five, and the next

874
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 2: was in ninety six or ninety six and ninety seven.

875
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 2: I mean, I could have told you, you know, exactly

876
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 2: in the past, but you have to move on.

877
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 3: We really do have to move on.

878
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: Look, a lot of people deal with this, Kathy, with

879
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: infidelity and marriages and how do you but a lot

880
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: of people walk out the door yeah, particularly when they

881
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: figure this out like I'm done here. This is such

882
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: a deep wound of such a break of trust. How

883
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: did you say?

884
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 2: Well, because I knew each time that I would have

885
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 2: an unbelievable opportunity to go in the air. People are

886
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 2: going to go, what's how's she going to do with this?

887
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 2: What's she going to say about this? And a lot

888
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 2: of people wanted us to fail, a lot of people

889
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 2: wanted to see me.

890
00:43:59,520 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: Destroy.

891
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 2: And because I was sort of doing a Charlie Kirk

892
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 2: thing long before Charlie Charlie was born, I was sharing

893
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:14,959
Speaker 2: the gospel on NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, everywhere I went.

894
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 2: If I had a chance to share the gospel, I

895
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 2: did that. That was my calling. That was my calling.

896
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 2: So I say, he said, Kathy, millions of people will

897
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,439
Speaker 2: be watching to see what you say now after frank infidelity,

898
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 2: and then after Frank had died and what happened after

899
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 2: I'd been accused of the of the sweatshop stuff, And

900
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 2: each time I just thought, Lord, give me utterance. You know,

901
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,720
Speaker 2: I don't have words to say. So I've given probably

902
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 2: a thousand appearances in front of people over the years, speaking,

903
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 2: never written a speech in my life, never.

904
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 3: From the heart, from the heart or not at all.

905
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: The last time I was here, you had a hip

906
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: replacement and then you fell on these steps.

907
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 3: That was Scond right behind you.

908
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: What happened? And how did you get through that? This

909
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: had to be And this was a couple.

910
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 2: Of rough years, three three outrageously difficult years. Yeah, but

911
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 2: day by day is what you do. You get always sorry,

912
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 2: what's the lesson?

913
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 1: Trust? What did you take from it? Trust?

914
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,720
Speaker 2: It's always see the little thing over, the little lamb

915
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 2: above it.

916
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 3: It says, fear not. I'm just one of I'm just.

917
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: A lamb like you are, like we all are.

918
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 3: I am.

919
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: My nature is to fear, you know.

920
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 2: But I don't want to be that person. I don't

921
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 2: want to be I want to be God's lamb or

922
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 2: he lifts me. We see all the artwork that my

923
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 2: dear friend and has done and Nielsen all over my

924
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 2: every house I have, and I got way too many.

925
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 2: I get them, I get rid of them, I sell them,

926
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 2: but I never get rid of my paintings by my

927
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 2: dear friend Anne. And I just said, Lord, I can't

928
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 2: do this. I can't do life without you. I can

929
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 2: do a fact simile of it. But I don't want

930
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 2: something phony I can't do. I want my life to

931
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 2: be a masterpiece of yours, because you are the creator

932
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 2: of all things. I want to love people in a

933
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: way that will change their lives, just they'll never be

934
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:30,439
Speaker 2: the same the way Jesus did.

935
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: This had to devastate you, though. You had to worry

936
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: that I'm never walk again.

937
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 3: Oh the fall, yeah, I mean, your pelvis is broke.

938
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 2: I had just gotten out of the hospital for the hip,

939
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 2: which took a long long time, and I got over

940
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 2: that like this, boom boom, They're going, what are you?

941
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: I got off the oxy. I wasn't walking on anything.

942
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: I was fine.

943
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 2: So then I fall because a friend of mine was

944
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 2: outside waiting for me. I just had the clearance to

945
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 2: go to my little farm here and go and get

946
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,760
Speaker 2: in my salt pool, and we were going to have lunch.

947
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 2: And I said she was out in one hundred and

948
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: six degree heat, and I went, oh Lord, I gotta

949
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 2: get downstairs.

950
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 3: I went around.

951
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 2: That's the fourth floor of this place, and I went

952
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 2: and I went, and I remember saying, oh Jesus, please,

953
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 2: not my hip, Jesus, not my hip, please, Jesus. And

954
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 2: my pelvis was fractured completely in the front and completely

955
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 2: behind it. Right back into the hospital for the next

956
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 2: eight days, went out to my little farm. Had a

957
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 2: nurse because I needed one to do petee with me

958
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 2: every day and all that stuff. And she was adorable,

959
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 2: just precious. I had met her at the hospital the

960
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 2: first time, so yeah, the first visit and I said.

961
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 3: I want her to come and be with me, darling,

962
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 3: darling girl.

963
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 1: And there's nothing they can do for a pelvis, nothing

964
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: strike your ribs.

965
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 2: They just have to heal on their own. It can

966
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 2: take a long long time and it's really painful. And

967
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, I'm walking and she goes, you

968
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 2: can't put weight on your right foot like that. I said,

969
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 2: why not, It doesn't hurt. I said, shouldn't I be

970
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 2: an excruciating pain? And she goes, well, yeah, you should be.

971
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 2: I said, just call my doctor. So we called my

972
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 2: doctor and he uh, he says, coming in, I'll give

973
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 2: you an X ray, did an X ray right away

974
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 2: and says you want to see your X ray? And

975
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 2: I go, mm, do I you tell me? He goes,

976
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 2: let me show you, and he says, that's the that's

977
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 2: the hip. I just gave you. That's the hip, that

978
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 2: that's brand new and beautiful. It didn't hurt it at all.

979
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 2: That's your pelvis completely and miraculously healed by the power

980
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 2: of the Holy Spirit, back in front, back in front completely,

981
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 2: never had a bit of pain ever again.

982
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: Then long was that? How long was the stretch between breakage?

983
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:54,240
Speaker 1: Eighty days? What? Wow?

984
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 2: A miracle is a miracle. And I didn't even know

985
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 2: that it was a miracle. I just it's just happened.

986
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 2: It just happened somewhere along like.

987
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: I just got healed.

988
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 2: And I've had some major, major people pray over me

989
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 2: in this world, you know, some of them that have

990
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 2: huge like world ministries and healing and stuff. And I

991
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 2: wasn't healed. And you know, you know God, God's ways

992
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 2: are not our ways. His thoughts are not our thoughts.

993
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 2: And then I had woke up one night in the

994
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 2: middle of the night and I couldn't move my left

995
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 2: arm at all, and I went, oh, my gosh, I've

996
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 2: had a stroke. And I tried to get out of

997
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 2: my bed and this had laid, this arm was just

998
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 2: and I'm trying to get out of my bed to

999
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 2: go to the bathroom.

1000
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 3: And arms are not responding nothing.

1001
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: It was dead. It was dead.

1002
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 2: Go And so I sort of crumbled at the end

1003
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 2: of the bed and couldn't even get up for two

1004
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 2: hours because on my phone I kept hearing it ringing.

1005
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 2: It was in the bed because we were in baby

1006
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 2: all even then, and so I just thought I got

1007
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 2: to keep the phone with me, you know that kind

1008
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 2: of thing.

1009
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 3: And my friend came over.

1010
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 2: She knew something was wrong, my friend, Angie, and she

1011
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 2: knows where the keys are from my house and all that.

1012
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: She came in and she said, I'm taking Virgin care

1013
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 2: and this was the worst thing that I've ever been

1014
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,760
Speaker 2: happened was a major fracture of everything.

1015
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 3: What happened to my hip was you know, that.

1016
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: Was just ash.

1017
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 3: That was my arm.

1018
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 2: I'd had an injury years earlier that wasn't bad enough

1019
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 2: to have it surgically dealt with. But over the years

1020
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 2: and over the use and over the everything, it was

1021
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 2: the same thing. It looked like a pile of arthritic

1022
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 2: ash and a pile of bone.

1023
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 1: They replaced, no.

1024
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 3: They just fixed it.

1025
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,280
Speaker 2: But it's taken That's taken me five months of PT.

1026
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 2: I go three times a week for I go two times,

1027
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 2: three times a week. For every other day I go

1028
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 2: to Mandu, which I've told you about that I do,

1029
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 2: and then and then I would swim at my farm.

1030
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 2: It's taken that much just to have this much of

1031
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 2: my arm back.

1032
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: What would you tell the twenty year old Kathy Lee

1033
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: Gifford if you were starting in this industry.

1034
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 2: If it's the calling of God on your life and

1035
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,959
Speaker 2: you know it, just keep going, Just keep going, girl.

1036
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 2: He will never leave you or forsake you. He will

1037
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 2: never ever do to you what the world wants to do.

1038
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 2: You know, the Satan comes to steal, kill and destroy,

1039
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 2: and Jesus comes that we might have life. And life

1040
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 2: eternally and abundantly is what the word means. And that

1041
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 2: word is zoe in the Greek, and zoe means so

1042
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 2: abundantly that it cannot even be measured. I said, that's

1043
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 2: the life I want to live. Lord, That's the life

1044
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 2: that cost me your hip. That's the life that's cost

1045
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 2: me a shoulder, that's the life that's cost me a

1046
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 2: lot of my feet. Everything I've had, you know, trying

1047
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 2: to figure out if there's a place on me that

1048
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 2: hasn't haven't had.

1049
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: A face left. Don't do it, you don't need it.

1050
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 3: I'm not going to do that now, but you know

1051
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 3: what I mean. It's cost me the toll.

1052
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: Of a life, toll of life, but it was.

1053
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 2: A life well lived, and I'm grateful to God that

1054
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 2: I had the opportunity. I wouldn't change anything really with that.

1055
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: I ask everyone a list of questions. This is my

1056
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: Royal Grande questionnaire. Don't think, don't think, just say have

1057
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: you done this with me before? No? Not like this? Really,

1058
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: who's the person you most admire Jesus, who's the person

1059
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: you most detest? Cruel cruel people? The last great book

1060
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 1: you read? And your favorite book?

1061
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 2: Well, I don't read many of them anymore because I write.

1062
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: I'm writing them.

1063
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 2: My thirty seventh book or something is I just finished it.

1064
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 2: It's about Nero and Paul. Last great book I read.

1065
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 1: This is a follow up on The Mary on the

1066
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: Mary and the herold the Harold one.

1067
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 2: Yeh yeah, yeah, So I mean I'm liking that because

1068
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 2: those are great, great epics stories. Yes, they're thrillers. Yeah,

1069
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 2: so I mean, I wish I could give you a

1070
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 2: good answer. I used to read all the time, but

1071
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 2: I haven't.

1072
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,280
Speaker 1: You don't have time, you don't time you do writing,

1073
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:33,280
Speaker 1: nobody wants.

1074
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 2: Me to do the next interview about it or you know,

1075
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:41,240
Speaker 2: sales meeting and I just got the other one out,

1076
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 2: you know, but there people love them so and I

1077
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 2: love these stories. I love bringing the stories to life.

1078
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 2: I was built, I was born to tell stories. My

1079
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 2: son's born to tell stories. Kathy Gassidy to you know,

1080
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,760
Speaker 2: my my in my genealogy is the great Rudyard Kipling

1081
00:53:58,840 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 2: years years years back.

1082
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 3: My mother's side.

1083
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 2: Really gunga Din and the poem if so many Wonderful

1084
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,879
Speaker 2: Things jungle Book.

1085
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:09,439
Speaker 3: Yes, that's exactly right.

1086
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 2: Yes, and uh obviously it was my on my my

1087
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 2: father's my mother's father's side, and I and that's my

1088
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 2: that's that's.

1089
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 3: The DNA God put me in early early on. Go

1090
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 3: keep going on. Maybe I'll have a better answer for

1091
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 3: you for the next one.

1092
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: What does Kathy Lee know that no one else knows? Hmmm.

1093
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,399
Speaker 2: I don't assume to know things that other people don't know.

1094
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 2: I've the hardest thing for me to have learned in

1095
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Speaker 2: my walk with the Lord is patience.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a patient person.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna let's get it done.

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Speaker 2: You and I are, Yeah, we're sympatical that way. We are, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we are.

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Speaker 3: We're typeing. You want it done and I want it

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Speaker 3: and I want it done.

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Speaker 1: Well, So what was saying again, what is the one thing?

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Speaker 1: What do you know that no one else knows?

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Speaker 2: But people do know that God is faithful? People do

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Speaker 2: There are people out there that know that God will

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Speaker 2: be there when you wake up, He's with you when

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Speaker 2: you sleep.

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Speaker 1: He sees you.

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Speaker 2: The God who sees all of those things that I've

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Speaker 2: written about. Yeah, so that one same thing. The great,

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Speaker 2: the great martyrs of the church know far more than

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Speaker 2: I do. I haven't been martyred for my faith. I've

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Speaker 2: suffered for it, but I haven't been martyred like Charlie.

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Speaker 1: I haven't been.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to be. I don't want to suffer.

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Speaker 3: I'll be honest about that.

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Speaker 1: Well, you said earlier something that that you said, I fear.

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Speaker 1: What do you see? What do you fear?

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Speaker 3: I said, I don't want to fear.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to fear?

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Speaker 3: Reminders all over my house, you know, fear not fear,

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Speaker 3: not that I.

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Speaker 1: Am with you. But what do you see?

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Speaker 2: You know there are more admonitions in the Bible about

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Speaker 2: fear than anything.

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Speaker 1: I did know that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, about fear, be not afraid? Yeah, so so what

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Speaker 2: am I if I afraid of anything?

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Speaker 1: What are you afraid of? For my children and my grandchildren?

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Speaker 6: Now?

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Speaker 2: You know I'm not afraid from me. You know, I'm

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Speaker 2: seventy two years old. I've lived an unbelievable life. I

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Speaker 2: had a great love and did he crush me?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: But did the Lord heal?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Did it leave scars? Oh yeah, sure did. But we

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Speaker 2: got through it and for another fifteen years after that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It happened eleven years into our marriage and we were

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Speaker 2: married for twenty nine yes after Yeah, so what I

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Speaker 2: just don't assume that I know anything that somebody doesn't know.

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Speaker 2: I just know the Lord Jesus in a personal way.

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Speaker 2: I know that life is finite.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 2: And when you've held your dead husband in your arms

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Speaker 2: and you see his face and mortality just it becomes

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Speaker 2: very very real. Your own mortality does.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So you know you try to try to apply that

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Speaker 2: to your life and say, Lord, I know I'm not

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Speaker 2: one of these days when they come on with those dead.

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Speaker 2: You know, Robert Redford just the other day, dead at

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Speaker 2: eighty nine. I love Robert Redford, you know, And it's

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Speaker 2: just I said, one day, that's going to be me,

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Speaker 2: and they're going to put me up there and it'll

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Speaker 2: last maybe a day and people go, oh, she was funnier,

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Speaker 2: Oh I hated her, or whatever they're going to say.

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Speaker 3: It's not about me, it's not.

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Speaker 2: That's just the way we measure life in our world today.

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Speaker 2: But it'll but Jesus measures it differently, and he will

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Speaker 2: say to me, well done, cath well done, sweetie.

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Speaker 1: I know he will. Yeah, what's your biggest regret? Do

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Speaker 1: you have one? No regret?

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Speaker 3: Well, my first marriage was a disaster.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's but I.

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Speaker 2: But God used that too. I never would have met Frank.

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Speaker 2: I never would have gone off to from Left La

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Speaker 2: and gone to New York to work on Good Morning America.

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Speaker 1: And Reaches and Frank and all of that whatever it

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Speaker 1: that would.

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Speaker 2: Have never happened to I not been.

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Speaker 1: But the heathaw Honeys might still be on the air

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Speaker 1: tv MACS.

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Speaker 2: TV Guide named the top ten worst sitcoms of all time.

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Speaker 3: Then right there.

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Speaker 1: Baby, well you see you're making headlines no matter what.

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Speaker 2: You and I laughed, my but I just thought, you

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Speaker 2: know what, I was twenty two years old and making

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Speaker 2: ten thousand dollars in episode.

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Speaker 1: So it wasn't it was their TV guide. It was

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Speaker 1: great for me. Thanks love it. Yeah, what's the best

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Speaker 1: piece of advice you ever received.

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Speaker 3: From my father?

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Speaker 2: Find something you love to do and then figure out

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Speaker 2: a way to get paid for it, because that that

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Speaker 2: what you love to do is.

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Speaker 1: Is of the Lord and animates your whole.

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Speaker 3: Animates your whole life.

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Speaker 1: Final question, what happens when this is over?

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Speaker 3: Meaning this this life?

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Speaker 1: I let you decide?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think we live in chapters. We live chapter

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Speaker 2: by chapter by chapter in our lives. I'm ready for

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Speaker 2: the next chapter.

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Speaker 3: I'm ready. I'd pick up and move again if the

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Speaker 3: Lord wanted to me to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you want to do? I know there's

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Speaker 1: a big project you still want.

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Speaker 3: To Oh, well, you know what.

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Speaker 2: I have two things coming up that I'm very very

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Speaker 2: excited about. My friend Randy all Take and I. He's

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Speaker 2: doing the heavy lifting on it because I couldn't walk

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Speaker 2: or travel last year. We're doing a big, big thing

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Speaker 2: on this Shroud of Turin that comes out first Fruits Easter, this.

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Speaker 3: Easter your time.

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Speaker 2: And I've been writing the music, writing the music with

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Speaker 2: my friends Lewis Yorke, and we've written a song called Sindone,

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Speaker 2: and I went to my little farm, I said, he said, Kathy,

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Speaker 2: will you write the music? And I said, well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: But I said, I gotta I gotta pray. I've written

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Speaker 2: a lot of really good songs, thousands of them. You know,

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Speaker 2: people don't know them because I didn't write hits, but

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Speaker 2: a lot of good songs for Broadway, the whatever. And

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Speaker 2: I've written a couple of great ones, a couple of

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Speaker 2: great ones, but I've never written a perfect song. And

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Speaker 2: I said, this has to be This song has to

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Speaker 2: be perfect. The theme song for the Shroud of Turn

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Speaker 2: documentary has to be perfect. And I said, Lord, you

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Speaker 2: know my heart, you know that this song has to

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Speaker 2: be perfect. I don't know how to do perfect. And

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Speaker 2: immediately now sindone means shroud in Italian, so immediately he

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Speaker 2: gives me the first lyric, which even at his birth

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Speaker 2: he was shrouded in mystery. You are so good, so good,

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Speaker 2: and four days later, which I could have written forty

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Speaker 2: songs in four days, but I waited on him. I

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Speaker 2: just kept waiting, waiting, waiting. I got the very last

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Speaker 2: lyric and I got out of my chair and fell

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Speaker 2: on my face, saying pracious esus. It was just unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: And I called my friends whom you know, Claude and

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Speaker 2: Chuck Harmony and my favorite writing partners of all time,

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Speaker 2: and I said, you guys, I read them the lyrics

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Speaker 2: and they said, we're coming up, We're coming tomorrow.

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Speaker 6: Sindw me oo sindoney oo s do it just it haunts,

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Speaker 6: it haunts, shooting the most beautiful, beautiful way, even we

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Speaker 6: put the millow.

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Speaker 2: Even at his birth he was shrouded in mystery, angels

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Speaker 2: and shepherds, a blazing star in the sky.

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Speaker 3: But why but why you know?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing because I said, Lord, you write it.

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Speaker 3: And I'll write it down.

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Speaker 1: A good way to work always as Kathy, I love you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you you too, sweetheart, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Love to Laura for me.

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Speaker 1: I will do it in case.

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Speaker 2: Thank you poor Rebecca that has to suffer through life

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Speaker 2: with you.

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Speaker 1: I know, well, every every every Christian needs a cross. Here.

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Speaker 1: I am here, I am Lord. I need to supply. Yes, right,

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Speaker 1: I filled the bill. You're awesome. Thank you. This was fun.

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Speaker 1: That was great. Every time I see Kathy Lee, I

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Speaker 1: come away thinking this is somebody who trusts. You heard

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Speaker 1: it in that last story, but she's really done that

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Speaker 1: throughout her life. She just trusts that God will lead

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Speaker 1: her to her next adventure and complete whatever he's calling

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Speaker 1: her to. That is not a bad lesson to take

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Speaker 1: away from a conversation with Kathy Lee, and it can

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Speaker 1: get you through a lot. I'm so glad you joined us.

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Speaker 1: I hope you'll come back. Why live a dry and narrow,

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Speaker 1: constricted life when if you fill it with good things,

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Speaker 1: it can flow into a broad, thriving Arroyo Grande. I'm

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Speaker 1: raiming at Arroyo. Make sure you subscribe, like this episode

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Speaker 1: and thank you for diving in. We'll see you next time.

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