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Speaker 1: Fresh episode of Fish Bites, your regularly scheduled podcast show

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Speaker 1: covering all things Miami Barlins. I am Eli Susman, the

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Speaker 1: managing editor at Fish Stripes. We are at fish stripes

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Speaker 1: dot com, at fish Stripes across all our social media

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Speaker 1: channels on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, etc. Feeling pretty healthy

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Speaker 1: right now myself hoping the same is true for all

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Speaker 1: of you guys, taking the steps you need to weather

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Speaker 1: this storm that we're all going through as a global

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Speaker 1: community right now. Of a bittersweet time to record a show,

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Speaker 1: this should have been reacting to the opening series of

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty Marlins regular season that has obviously been

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Speaker 1: pushed back quite a way in reality, at least a

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Speaker 1: couple months away from getting things started at the major

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Speaker 1: league level if we do get started at all here

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. But Fits Stripes are still keeping you entertained.

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Speaker 1: We're still covering everything that there is to cover in

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Speaker 1: real time, as well as creating our own exercises to

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Speaker 1: analyze the team even further. And it's not just Fish

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Speaker 1: Bites here on this podcast channel, we have Earning Their Stripes,

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Speaker 1: which is our show focused specifically on the top prospects

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Speaker 1: and minor leaguers in the Marlins organization. We just published

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Speaker 1: our longest episode ever of ETS. It was a two

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Speaker 1: and a half hour conference call, edited it down to

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Speaker 1: about two hours, and then split that into two separate episodes,

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Speaker 1: but in total about two hours of conversation. You can

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Speaker 1: hear right here on the same podcast channel of our

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Speaker 1: updated Fish Stripes Top thirty rankings, looking at all the

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Speaker 1: best prospects in the Marlins organization heading into twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: It had been a few months since our previous update,

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Speaker 1: so this reacts to some new information that we gathered

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Speaker 1: over the offseason and by watching spring trending games. It

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Speaker 1: was a five person conference call, including myself, Louis Davila,

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Speaker 1: Ethan Badowski, Spencer Morris, and Ian Smith. All of them

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Speaker 1: brought some great points to the table. If you haven't

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Speaker 1: already listened to that, just a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: tease right here for you. This clip was a great

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Speaker 1: one from Spencer comparing six Dough in Jazz the top

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Speaker 1: two prospects in the Marlins organization At the moment.

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Speaker 2: I think between him and six Though, with Jazz, you're

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Speaker 2: getting more upside on the top end, whereas six though

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Speaker 2: is a higher probability guy. I think, more or less

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Speaker 2: barring like severe injury trouble six though, if nothing changes

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Speaker 2: with him, I think he's about a number three starter.

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Speaker 2: If he does start to like Ethan was talking about,

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Speaker 2: if I had to guess, I would think that's something

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Speaker 2: I think you're talking about a guy who has like

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Speaker 2: If his hit tool doesn't progress a great deal, he's

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Speaker 2: talking about a heart of the order hitter with very

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Speaker 1: Later on in that episode, we covered first baseman Leywin Diez,

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Speaker 1: who shut up the rankings all the way to now

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Speaker 1: number six in the Marlin system. So here's Lewis fould

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Speaker 1: by Ethan talking about Leylan and why we're so optimistic

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Speaker 3: My first time covering Jacksonville last summer, and I was

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Speaker 4: The Marlins are obsessed with him. Miss always talks about

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Speaker 4: The system, you know, for a long time, we were

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Speaker 1: some news that came out on Saturday morning. Saturday at

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Speaker 1: Monte was number seven on our updated Top thirty list

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Speaker 1: The same thing applies for Kniert. A whole bunch of

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Speaker 1: simply weighed out this coronavirus pandemic. If you're listening to

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Speaker 1: that's the right thing to do, but realistically it does

437
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: limit the profit that the team is making. So if

438
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Speaker 1: you have less revenue and you're still paying some of

439
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 1: these same expenses then and the team wasn't really set

440
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: to contend in twenty twenty anyway, you could see them

441
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,439
Speaker 1: using it as an excuse to just not spend what

442
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: they were expected to do during free agency during this

443
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 1: upcoming winter, this was supposed to be the time when

444
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: they finally make a big splash. To this point, the

445
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: biggest expenditure in free agency under new ownership is Corey Dickerson,

446
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: and that was only seventeen and a half million dollars

447
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: over two years. That's relative peanuts for teams that when

448
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 1: you get involved in free agency and you're actually looking

449
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 1: to fill everyday roles with some of those decisions, So

450
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 1: just to sum up, when you have these revenue challenges

451
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: because of the lack of product to sell to the network,

452
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: to your sponsors, and to your fans, it just puts

453
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,959
Speaker 1: this Marlins rebuild on a bit of a delay. So

454
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: that's a frustrating part because the fans have been so

455
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 1: patient to this point and we've seen a lot of

456
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: positive indications and then this unprecedented situation hits and throws

457
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: things a little bit off course. Another point on the

458
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: major league level is service time. Service time is very important.

459
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: It gets it's perhaps not always very easy to follow.

460
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: It's not as sexy to follow as players game stats

461
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: and all the transactions that happen, but service time really

462
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: has an effect on a lot of the transactions that

463
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: we see. I mean, the most clear impact of service

464
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: time is free agency. Once you achieve six full years

465
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Speaker 1: a major league service, or very very close to six

466
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 1: full years of service, then you quali to be a

467
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: free agent. And Marlins made a prominent trade during the

468
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: offseason to acquire Jonathan Vr from the Baltimore Orioles. They

469
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 1: barely gave up anything to get him, just one low

470
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: level pitching prospect, and the commitment for Vr was very

471
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: manageable just a one year deal that ended up being

472
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,479
Speaker 1: over eight million dollars for this one season, coming off

473
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: a year where he was one of the more valuable

474
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: middle infielders in baseball, and Marlins during spring training intended

475
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: they shifted him to center field, but they really saw

476
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: him as more of a They really loved his versatility overall,

477
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: so they see him as a guy that could play

478
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: a number of different positions during the season, but being

479
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: the lineup every single day in the leadoff spot. A

480
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: dynamic player, a dynamic player that is really built for

481
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: the modern age because of his versatility.

482
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Speaker 7: VR gets into one, he drills one high, he has

483
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 7: hit it deep to right field, its way back there,

484
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 7: and it's gone for a two run home run. Jonathan

485
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 7: Vr touches a two run shot off his former team

486
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 7: may David Hash and the Martins pull within one run.

487
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: Based on the terms of this coronavirus deal between the

488
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: MLB players and owners, we know that VR will be

489
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: a free agent after the twenty twenty season. No matter what.

490
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 1: He was already well over five years of service time.

491
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: He just needed a partial season in the majors this

492
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: year in order to become eligible for free agency. This

493
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: is currently his last year as an arbitration eligible player.

494
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,479
Speaker 1: He obviously had a full year service time the previous season,

495
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 1: and he's someone that is far enough in his career

496
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: in terms of service time that he can't be sent

497
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: down to the minor leagues at any point, and even

498
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: if he's hurt, he continues to compile service time while

499
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: on the injured list. In the event of a canceled season,

500
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: then the service time situation reverts back to whatever happened

501
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: during the twenty nineteen season. So with VR, he not

502
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: only was on the Orioles roster every day of the

503
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen season, he actually played every single game of

504
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: that season. Players like him will continue to be credited

505
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: with a full year of service time even if no

506
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: season is played, which creates the unusual situation frustrating situation

507
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: that he could in the event of a canceled season,

508
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: he could head into free agency without effort actually having

509
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: played for the Marlins. The Marlins would still have traded

510
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: away that young pitcher, Easton Lucas, and they would still

511
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: pay VR a small portion of that salary that they

512
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: had agreed with him to for the twenty twenty season,

513
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: but they wouldn't actually get him on the field for

514
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: any regular season games. He would be able to head

515
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: into free agency. Marlins would have the right to extend

516
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: a qualifying offer to him, but that offer would be

517
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: well north of seventeen million dollars and so certainly no

518
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: guarantee that the Marlins would be taking that kind of

519
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: risk to try to lock him up or try to

520
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: even attach him to draft pick composite compensation. The bottom

521
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: line is he's guy that everybody was so excited about,

522
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: and a deal that Marlin seemed to get, a very reasonable,

523
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: very efficient trade that they made, and it could all

524
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: be for not if, for whatever reason, the country struggles

525
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: to handle this pandemic and health officials aren't willing to

526
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: let the season go on in any form. A couple

527
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: other players affected in small ways potentially by the service

528
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: time situation are Lewis Brinson and Elias or Hernandez. Both

529
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: of them have well over one year of service time

530
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: Prinson one year and one hundred and fifteen days, Elias

531
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: or Hernandez one year and one hundred and eighteen days.

532
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: They are pre arbitration eligible, but if they're able to

533
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: get a full year of service time in the majors

534
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: this year, they have a shot, an outside shot of

535
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: Super two status. They have a chance of reaching arbitration

536
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: early even without three full years of service, and they'd

537
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: be able to go through the arbitration process and maximum

538
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: of four times. This is really a footnote in all

539
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: this one considering that both Brinton and Hernandez they spent

540
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: some time in the miners last year. They did not

541
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: get a full year of service time in twenty nineteen,

542
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: so the season is canceled. Then they're only credited with

543
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: a partial season of service time in twenty twenty, and

544
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: they wouldn't qualify. The only possible way they qualify for

545
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: this Super two status and get paid a little bit

546
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: earlier is if they are the season goes on in

547
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: twenty twenty and they spend virtually every single day on

548
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: the Marlins active roster. And I mean, the other point, frankly,

549
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: is that neither guy has been all that consistently successful

550
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: in the majors. If Brinson gets to arbitration early, and

551
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: even if he has his best year yet in twenty twenty,

552
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: but it's still not overall that much of an impactful

553
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: player at the major league level, then all that does

554
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: is it extends the possibility that he could be non tendered,

555
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: that the Marlins might be able to be leaning towards

556
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: getting rid of him in the same way they did J. T.

557
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: Riddle this past winner, Riddle reached a Super two status,

558
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: he did not have a particularly good year. He was

559
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: in line to get a raise of several hundred thousand

560
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: dollars through the arbitration process, and the Marlins simply parted

561
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: ways with him for that reason. With Hernandez, it's it's

562
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: kind of a similar story. I think he's shown much

563
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: more promise at the major league level than Brentson has,

564
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: but he doesn't have the same prospect pedigree, and we

565
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: know how much pitching death the Marlins have in the

566
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: high minors. So if he's in a situation where he's

567
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: earning several hundred thousand more, where he's earning seven hundred

568
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: or eight hundred thousand total as a salary for the

569
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one season, then that's another that once again

570
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: we'll push the Marlins into potentially getting rid of him

571
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: rather than paying extra for a guy that they don't

572
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: see as a true featured player in their rebuild. Moving

573
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: on to the minor league level, and pretty far down

574
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: in the minor league level. This is most devastating for

575
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: both prospects and short season prospects. Do I mean, we

576
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: don't know for sure if there's gonna be any twenty

577
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: twenty major league season, But of course the benefits to

578
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: major league teams is that it is a wildly profitable

579
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: industry under normal circumstances. These owners are billionaires, even in

580
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: the case of the Marlins, so they can withstand what

581
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: is an extremely difficult find economic time across the entire world,

582
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: and especially in the US, the owners can withstand that

583
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: a lot of these veteran players can extend that. I mean,

584
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: part of the deal that reached between the players and

585
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: the MLB owners is that players got a bit of

586
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: a payment advance. They got a small portion of their

587
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: salaries already advanced to them into their bank accounts, even

588
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: though games haven't started, and even without a commitment that

589
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: games have been started. It was so sort of a

590
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: down payment to the players to give them some sort

591
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: of income even in these very uncertain times. But the

592
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: minor league players are not part of the union in

593
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: most cases, especially the ones that are the ones that

594
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: are not on any forty man roster, the ones that

595
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 1: have very recently entered the professional ranks. Their interests are

596
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 1: not being represented by the negotiations and not being represented

597
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: by the unions. This is an absolute killer for the

598
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: minor league teams because, yeah, aside from not having any

599
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: union representation the team owners themselves, most of these minor

600
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: league affiliates are owned privately by individual owners, not owned

601
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 1: by the teams, and for them when they miss games,

602
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 1: which is going to be a reality for them too.

603
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 1: The minor league season was due to open in early April,

604
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: and that has already been pushed back significantly. They don't

605
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: have these same kind of profit margins that the major

606
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: league teams do. They don't have individual television contracts, they

607
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: don't earn nearly as much from sponsorships, and obviously they

608
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: don't earn as much for selling tickets. They're pricing at

609
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: the minor league level is aimed at being very affordable

610
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: to families in order to woo them in to games

611
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: that don't have the same consequences as major league games.

612
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 1: They need all the scheduled games to could possibly get

613
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: and for as much work as they put in with

614
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:14,959
Speaker 1: creative promotions and in discounts, et cetera. They really need

615
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: to play as many games as possible, and circumstances are

616
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: going to make that extraordinarily difficult this year. The more

617
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: important context for all this is that after the twenty

618
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: nineteen season, Major League Baseball in Minor League Baseball had

619
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: exchanged some very preliminary proposals about how to change the

620
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: Professional Baseball Agreement, which is going to expire after the

621
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 1: twenty twenty season. It's looking to make some very dramatic

622
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: changes to the way that minor league baseball is organized,

623
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: which a format that really hasn't been changed at all

624
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: in thirty years and is overdue for some dramatic shifts.

625
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: One quote unquote solution that had already been proposed by

626
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball is eliminated over forty minor league franchises,

627
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: particularly ones in small towns, ones that have some limitations

628
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: in terms of travel and facilities for these developing prospects,

629
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: and in the case of the Marlins, the two affiliates

630
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: that are very vulnerable would be the Low A Clinton

631
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: lumber Kings in the Midwest League and the short season

632
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: a Batavia muff Dogs, who participate in the New York

633
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 1: penn League. Batavia has been a Marlins affiliate since twenty thirteen.

634
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: Clinton just started as an affiliate last year and had

635
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: some good times. But Clinton is in the middle of

636
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:39,240
Speaker 1: nowhere Iowa. Batavia is in upstate New York. Both places

637
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: that have struggled on the attendance front, struggled to draw crowds,

638
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: and again some concerns about the level of facilities and

639
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: whether they're putting these players in the best chances to

640
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: be successful while they're developing on the farm. It's hard

641
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: for me to imagine a scenario where those franchises are

642
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: still around in twenty twenty one. Again, they were both

643
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: on this list already one of the ones that were

644
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: singled out by Major League Baseball as teams that were

645
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 1: not quite up to the standard that Major League Baseball

646
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: is looking for in terms of player development amenities. And

647
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: now they're losing a lot of revenue, as everybody is.

648
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: But these are places that probably don't have strong profit

649
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: margins at all. They're especially in troubled times here in

650
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: twenty twenty because of the delayed season and what's going

651
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: to be some lost games. I just don't see how

652
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: they survive. If you are a baseball fan in either

653
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,959
Speaker 1: of those places. My suggestion is just to cherish every

654
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 1: moment you can from the twenty twenty season, because the

655
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: future is extremely murky for them. We wrap up this

656
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: discussion by looking at the consequences for Marlins and amateur scouting,

657
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: both domestically and internationally. You know that the Marlins have

658
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: certainly ramped up their spending internationally over the past couple

659
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: of years, most notably by signing the Mesa Brothers after

660
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: the twenty eighteen season, and then they had a couple

661
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: other big splashes during the twenty nineteen twenty twenty international

662
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: amateur free agent period. A guy we referenced on earning

663
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: their stripes Hose Salas, the young shortstop. They spent several

664
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: million dollars on Junior Sanchez, Ian Lewis, a couple really

665
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: projectable pitchers as well. Overall, the Marlins spent I think

666
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: about six million dollars internationally on over a dozen amateur

667
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,240
Speaker 1: players that they're trying to develop first at their Dominican

668
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: academy and very soon moving over to the US and

669
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: playing at low level affiliates. So I mean, one consequence

670
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: already is that when you have this potential seismic change

671
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: to minor league baseball and short season affiliates going away entirely,

672
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: it means that these players will be developing kind of

673
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: in the dark for a couple of years. When you

674
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: have someone that's only sixteen seventeen years old, you don't

675
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: put them immediately at a full season level. And if

676
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 1: these short season affiliates are likely going to go away

677
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,439
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, that means these players will be

678
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: playing in what you'd call the backfields at the spring

679
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: training facility. They'd be playing without crowds, in a different

680
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: kind of atmosphere that doesn't necessarily prepare you in the

681
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: best possible way for success in the major league level.

682
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: And it's just a much different atmosphere, a different level

683
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: of intensity without literally being under the spotlight and having

684
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: to play games in front of a live audience in

685
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: the same way that you're accustomed to doing. So, the

686
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: developmental process is very different for these international players moving forward.

687
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: And these are these are areas where the Marlins have

688
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: invested very heavily in both in terms of signing those

689
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: players and also they apparently have the construction of a

690
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 1: new academy in the Dominican Republic underway that costs millions

691
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: of dollars trying to upgrade the facilities over there. So

692
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: they're making big investments in these international players, and now

693
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: you're trying to adapt your entire player development philosophy because

694
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: when you bring these players to the US, their timeline

695
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: looks a lot different than it ordinarily would in previous

696
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: years for players acquired this way. And one of the

697
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: biggest talking points of all this is the MLB draft,

698
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: where the Marlins, of course, made a lot of waves

699
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 1: last June. In the twenty nineteen drafts, they held a

700
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: number four overall pick, and they just received acclaim for

701
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: the way that they balanced their bonus pool, acquired a

702
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 1: handful of really impactful players, filling a lot of hole

703
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: in their organization, and the early returns from a lot

704
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,919
Speaker 1: of those players were extremely encouraging during the back half

705
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 1: of the twenty nineteenth season. Then in twenty twenty they're

706
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: poised to have they were poised to have the exact

707
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: same kind of draft. They held the number three overall

708
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: pick by virtue of losing one hundred and five games

709
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: of the major league level bonus pools going up a

710
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: little bit more that were supposed to Again, this was

711
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 1: supposed to be one of their biggest investments. For all

712
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,439
Speaker 1: the money that they're saving on the major league level

713
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 1: by trimming major league payroll during this rebuild, they're trying

714
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: to reallocate a lot of those funds towards the amateur

715
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: level and trying to invest, trying to scout as best

716
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: you can and invest in these players that you hope

717
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: will be cornerstones of your franchise moving forward. We had

718
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 1: already started a lot of coverage of the twenty twenty

719
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: draft on fish Stripes, looking at all the possibilities not

720
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 1: just with the top overall pick, but some sleepers that

721
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: you can find in the later rounds as well, and

722
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: there fit with a Marlins organization. This was supposed to

723
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: be a huge milestone of this rebuilt, this upcoming draft,

724
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,720
Speaker 1: and what we've learned from the renegotiated twenty twenty agreement

725
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 1: between the MLB players and the owners is that they

726
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: did agree to maintain the drafts and keep the draft going.

727
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 1: So that was actually a question heading into the negotiations

728
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: as to whether there would be a draft at all,

729
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: considering that the college in the high school baseball seasons

730
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: were dramatically shortened by this coronavirus outbreak. You don't have

731
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: quite the same material to evaluate these players on that

732
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: you usually do, and especially their proximity to the draft.

733
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: You know, you like to learn about these players as

734
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: best you can as the draft approaches, and in this situation,

735
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,240
Speaker 1: whether the draft is held is originally scheduled in June

736
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: or the possibility that's been mentioned about pushing it back

737
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: to July, these players will be several months removed from

738
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 1: playing meaningful games, and in that kind of setting between

739
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 1: that last game and what they'll actually be selected and

740
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: signed to these big bonuses. The draft over the last

741
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: few decades has been forty rounds long, which I think

742
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: a lot of people agreed was too long, in the

743
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 1: same way that the minor league baseball system was perhaps

744
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: outdated and they had more teams than they knew what

745
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: to do with. This has also been something that was

746
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: mentioned prior to all these complicated circumstances. It seemed that

747
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: there was definitely momentum heading towards shortening the MLB draft

748
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: no matter what happens. But this situation with MLB teams

749
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: lacking the kind of revenue that they usually would and

750
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: with these negotiations between the owners and the MLB players

751
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: who don't represent these prospects. These amateur prospects are not

752
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: represented by the players union, that the deal that they

753
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: reached between these two sides really screws over the amateur players,

754
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: and it hurts the teams disproportionately that are relying on

755
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 1: these amateur players to help them. It hurts them CA

756
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: Orlans more than it would the typical team. Last year, well,

757
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: every team has what you call a bonus pool, which

758
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: is how they allocate the different money to be spent

759
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: on amateur players. There's one internationally, but specifically with the draft.

760
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: Each draft position has a certain slot value attached to it.

761
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: Through the first ten rounds, each of those top ten

762
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 1: round picks have a certain slot value, and then there's

763
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 1: some room to spend in the later rounds as well

764
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: if a guy slides for whatever reason. There's just so

765
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: many options for how you can manage your funds. Under

766
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: the old system, when you had forty rounds to work with,

767
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: realistically not going to sign every single player and don't

768
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,240
Speaker 1: necessarily have the faith in every one of those players

769
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: to be a major leaguer. But now the system is

770
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: dramatically changing in that for twenty twenty, it's going to

771
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: be shortened from forty rounds to as few as five.

772
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: The exact number of rounds haven't been set yet, but

773
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: the owners have been given the rights to limited to

774
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: as few as five rounds, and we're gonna see exactly

775
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 1: how that changes as we get closer to the potential

776
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: start of the season. But the bottom line is it's

777
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: gonna be a dramatically different draft. Players who aren't drafted

778
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: in those first five rounds, they have an opportunity to

779
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: sign as undrafted free agents for a maximum of twenty

780
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: thousand dollars signing bonuses. The reality is is that almost

781
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: any player that has a chance to be drafted in

782
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: these middle or later rounds that now has some uncertainty

783
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: about their the kind of bonus that they're gonna receive.

784
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: You're gonna see a lot more players who are in

785
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: high school that choosing to attend college when they ordinarily wouldn't,

786
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: or you might even see some underclassmen in college who

787
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 1: were draft eligible sophomores or juniors. Those players may choose

788
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: to stay in school a year longer because of the

789
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: possibility that hopefully the twenty twenty one draft will once

790
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: again have some additional rounds to it and resemble the

791
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: old system in some way, because currently this is squeezing

792
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: out literally hundreds and hundreds of players that were expected

793
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: to get drafted and now won't be In twenty twenty,

794
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: when it's limited to five rounds including compensation picks, it's

795
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: fewer than two hundred overall selections fewer than two hundred

796
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: overall picks potentially in this upcoming draft if the owners

797
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: choose to shrink it to that degree. To reiterate, the

798
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: main motivation for this is for the owners to save money.

799
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: They're worried about their revenue, so they don't want to

800
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: commit too much to these amateur players, the most of

801
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:37,280
Speaker 1: whom frankly won't reach the major leagues. That's simply playing

802
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 1: the percentages, and at a time when they're worried about

803
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: their bottom lines, they don't want to be making these

804
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: commitments to drafted players at the same scale they ordinarily would.

805
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 1: Last year, the Marlins spent more than eighteen million dollars

806
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: all drafted players. But my understanding is that if this

807
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: draft is shortened to five rounds, the Marlins bonus pool

808
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: will only be twelve million dollars, to be very specific,

809
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: eleven million, nine hundred and seventy seven thousands. Usually the

810
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: slot value of these picks, the bonus pools overall, they

811
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: expand a little bit year to year as the league

812
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: itself continues to increase its revenue. That's not going to

813
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: be the situation this year. Instead, with the expectation that

814
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: these pick values and the bonus pools are going to

815
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: remain flat year to year, where all these picks are

816
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: earning the same amount of money that they did if

817
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: they were drafted in twenty nineteen. And for the Marlins,

818
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: doesn't mean there's a possibility that they have only six

819
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: total selections. That first round pick, the competitive balance pick,

820
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: and then ordinary picks that they would have in the second, third, fourth,

821
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: and fifth rounds. So in a situation where they're limited

822
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 1: to five rounds, the Marlins bonus pool shrinks by about

823
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: six million dollars and they had last year, and that

824
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 1: just doesn't give you the same kind of flexibility that

825
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: they had in twenty nineteen. They had the flexibility to

826
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: go over slot value at a handful of positions where

827
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: they pick guys who had some signability concerns, and they

828
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: gave those players exactly what they needed in order to

829
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: forego any eligibility and sign and turn pro and that

830
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: this just removes a lot of possibilities for them. If

831
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: you just don't have as many room rounds to pick from,

832
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: then you don't have much to as many possibilities. You

833
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: can't always just target these players that you've thought were

834
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: the perfect fit for your organization at this time. On

835
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 1: the bright side, there is going to be a draft

836
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: in some shape or form in twenty twenty. That is

837
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,479
Speaker 1: important for the Marlins. You know how much pressure they're

838
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: on to get this rebuild done correctly, and the players

839
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 1: being acquired in this draft are very instrumental to the

840
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 1: shape of the organization moving forward. You want to get

841
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: these players into your farm system as quickly as possible,

842
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: working with them individually, and getting them in a position

843
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: to actually in real minor league games for further evaluation

844
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: about how their skill sets translate to professional baseball, and

845
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: a delay would have been really painful. That would have

846
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 1: made it even worse for this team because you're hoping

847
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: that these players, especially the ones drafted out of college,

848
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 1: are going to be ready to impact you at the

849
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: major league level in a few short years, that this

850
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: window of contention that the Marlins were hoping to open

851
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: early in this decade, whether it's twenty twenty one or

852
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, that that window is going to stay

853
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: open for a handful of years in a large part

854
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: from these players that you are drafting now, and you're

855
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: drafting them with the luxury of coming off years where

856
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 1: you had premium draft position. You lose these major league

857
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: games during the rebuilds or to get this preferable draft

858
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: position in order to get these large bonus pools to

859
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 1: maneuver with, and then you're able to get the kind

860
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: of players you want, get them through the system quickly,

861
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: and get them up in the majors at a time

862
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: where they're all very affordable relative to their production, and

863
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: you're able to put together this well rounded team that

864
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: can hopefully compete with some of the larger market teams

865
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 1: and give this Marlins franchise a chance that sustainable success

866
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: that they haven't really had before. So it's a positive

867
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 1: that there's gonna be some sort of draft in this situation,

868
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: but the shortening of it, and against so many these

869
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: other consequences of the pandemic and of the agreement that

870
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: major League Baseball has reached to adjust to the short season.

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Speaker 1: It's really painful for the Marlins, and it's going to

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Speaker 1: force them in a position where they're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: get creative and they're gonna have the bank on some

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Speaker 1: of these players to really overachieve. Thank you, as always

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Speaker 1: for tuning in some Fish Bites with me Ela Sussman.

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Speaker 1: More coverage coming up next week, the following week, the

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Speaker 1: week after that. For however long this delay lasts, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be here for you to talk about all things Marlins.

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Speaker 1: Got some ideas already floating around about some guests we'll

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Speaker 1: be bringing onto the show, as well as co hosts

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Speaker 1: from within my own staff, and more importantly, ways for

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Speaker 1: us to collaborate with the fans. Get your questions, get

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Speaker 1: your ideas, and incorporate them into the show. Be safe

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Speaker 1: and go Fish