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Speaker 1: Welcome to Patriot's Unfiltered. Brett and Austen. I think Brady's

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Speaker 1: the fans and I'll start this over for Brett and Austin.

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Speaker 1: You cannot be the head coach in the NFL and

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Speaker 1: curve to it. You're not nineteen on a skateboard. Curve

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Speaker 1: Mac Jones, he is not a Pro Bowlers. This is

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Speaker 1: Patriots Unfiltered, fueled by Duncan Well. Since our last show

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Speaker 1: on Tuesday, there's been yet another major NFL story and

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Speaker 1: guess what. Patriots are directly connected to it as always

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Speaker 1: in a couple of ways. Um, and today is a

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Speaker 1: very special anniversary in Patriot's history. We'll get to that

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure other topics on over the next two hours.

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Speaker 1: I'm Eric Scalvino, Paul Perillo might do so, are here

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Speaker 1: with me, Matt Morrell producing behind the glasses usual, Fred

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Speaker 1: kersh not here somewhere, tropical, refreshing, recalibrating somewhere. The opening

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Speaker 1: was a tour to Fred, right, so that was his

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Speaker 1: contribution for the everybody apparently damn skipping through the list, right,

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Speaker 1: but it's um, it's the Thursday before the Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 1: about the Skills Challenge. Yeah, skills tonight next weekend is

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. But we had some major news, uh,

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Speaker 1: and he cited specific teams, specific examples, and he used

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Speaker 1: specific text messages from the head coach here ye and

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Speaker 1: the Giants job for which he hadn't yet interviewed, but

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Speaker 1: and so maybe there were confusion. So, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: we Paul, you and I we we've talked before about

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Speaker 1: at the time. The guy got fired for it. But

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Speaker 1: now you wonder was there something else, you know, maybe

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Speaker 1: maybe it was Adam gas at it was so maybe

427
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Speaker 1: Adam Gase wasn't in on it. Maybe the old maybe

428
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Speaker 1: Woody Johnson, you know, or whatever Johnson was in charge.

429
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Speaker 1: Then um, maybe he went to Greg Williams and said, hey, yeah,

430
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Speaker 1: let's see if let's see what we can do here.

431
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Speaker 1: Greig Williams, the guy who's been known to the rules

432
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Speaker 1: are right. It's just I just want to wake up

433
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Speaker 1: one day and there'll be a major NFL story and

434
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 1: we're not involved in anyway. But no, it just this

435
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 1: one's pretty close. I mean, this is there's a there's

436
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Speaker 1: a text exchange that sort of illustrates that the Giants

437
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 1: had already made their decision right, And you know, I

438
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 1: think that happens a million times. I've interviewed for jobs

439
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 1: that I was told in no uncertain terms that yeah, yeah,

440
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 1: I can't happened to me twice. I mean, I just

441
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 1: think part of at his life now it's not apples

442
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 1: to apples, because you can make an argument that Flores

443
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 1: wasn't a candidate because of his race, and you can't

444
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,679
Speaker 1: make that argument with with me obviously, So maybe I

445
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 1: don't necessarily think that. I think these teams that pick

446
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 1: other guys only they know what's in their heart, you know.

447
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 1: I don't know John Marra, I don't know if he

448
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,880
Speaker 1: really said, you know what, these two guys are really good,

449
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:26,919
Speaker 1: let's go with the white guy. Only he knows that,

450
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,640
Speaker 1: you know. But that's to me, that's kind of hard

451
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Speaker 1: to believe, especially they had like a they had a

452
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Speaker 1: black general manager who won titles, right, Jerry Reese, Yes, right.

453
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Speaker 1: I mean I just can't I don't know if that's

454
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Speaker 1: a whole whole different thing to me. And that's a

455
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 1: mess too, and that's a problem, and they haven't been

456
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Speaker 1: able to fix it. Mike said it with the Rooney rule.

457
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: The Rooney rule I think has done more harm than

458
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: good unfortunately, and I think in this case it's it's

459
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Speaker 1: really destroyed the giants the ownership. Because if they didn't

460
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 1: have the Rooney rule and they just hired Brian Dable,

461
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: would anybody be calling them racists today? No? But because

462
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: they had a Rooney Rule and they had to have

463
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Speaker 1: Brian Flores in and then they got caught as having

464
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: already identified the guy they wanted. Now, they're racist. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just hard. It's it's it's hard, and I mean

466
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Speaker 1: I was you know, it took a little encouragement last

467
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Speaker 1: night from seeing what they were doing at the Senior

468
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Speaker 1: Bowl and they're having some you know, lower level coaches

469
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Speaker 1: step up and actually coach. I forget what they think

470
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Speaker 1: they called the elevating coaching, but Duce Staley was coaching

471
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Speaker 1: one of the teams. And you know, it's just it's

472
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Speaker 1: hard to to to legislate it and to come up

473
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Speaker 1: with a thing a rule like that and have that

474
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Speaker 1: be what just makes it okay. It's like everybody has

475
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Speaker 1: to actively want it. And you know, I think the

476
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Speaker 1: NFL has made some strides like that, but it's it's

477
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Speaker 1: I think Brian Flora is what he's doing now is

478
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 1: gonna really throw the hammer down on it and you know,

479
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Speaker 1: maybe hopefully pick up the pace and and you know,

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Speaker 1: get rid of the charade of that, the charade of

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Speaker 1: you know, have an interview somebody and you know realize

482
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Speaker 1: that you know, obviously there's plenty of talented minority coaches

483
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Speaker 1: out there that just take the chance and you know,

484
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 1: to continue to foster those guys and you know, give

485
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Speaker 1: them opportunities like they're doing at the Senior Bowl. So

486
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Speaker 1: it's it's it's such a complicated issue, like it and

487
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Speaker 1: like I want it to be I want and it's

488
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Speaker 1: impossible to get this because, as Paul said, you don't

489
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Speaker 1: know what's in people's heads. You don't know why they're

490
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Speaker 1: making the decision they're making. I mean, it's very simplistic

491
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Speaker 1: to extrapolate that because they hired one person over another,

492
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Speaker 1: it's because of you know, uh, superficial factors. But um,

493
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Speaker 1: clearly there are more qualified minority coaches in the league

494
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Speaker 1: than there are coaches who are one. But how do

495
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Speaker 1: you how do you mandate it? How do you make

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Speaker 1: it happen? How do you force teams to hire it? Like,

497
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Speaker 1: how do you do that? I don't know. How do

498
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Speaker 1: you prove that the fact that there's only one means

499
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Speaker 1: it's racist? Right? It's it's I think it's a lot

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Speaker 1: of grass roots. I mean that's I think you got

501
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 1: to start at the at the lowest levels and you know,

502
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Speaker 1: and and really plant the plant the field, so to

503
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Speaker 1: speak of, you know, putting these young coaches that have

504
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Speaker 1: potential and you know, giving them the tools to succeed

505
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Speaker 1: and to grow and to you know, expose them to

506
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Speaker 1: more things. I mean, you know how many coaches for

507
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Speaker 1: the Patriots have come through the you know, the Minority

508
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Speaker 1: Coaching Fellowship, a lot of their former players, I mean

509
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Speaker 1: Troy Brown. So you know, I'm not saying that the

510
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Speaker 1: NFL has gotten this one who's currently on the staff.

511
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Speaker 1: I think, you know, I do think that there are

512
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Speaker 1: things out there. Um, I just I think the Bruney

513
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: rules where you lose it because that's, like you said,

514
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Speaker 1: that's like mandating it. It becomes just kind of a box.

515
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: You've got a check now again, whereas you know, when

516
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Speaker 1: you're actively making effort at the at the lower levels

517
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Speaker 1: and with the assistant coaches and you know, grooming them

518
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Speaker 1: and giving them the experience so that when it does

519
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: come time to interview coaches, that these are coaches who

520
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,199
Speaker 1: have done a lot and have experience and you know,

521
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 1: coach both sides of the ball or multiple position groups.

522
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: And you know, then then it becomes you know less

523
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Speaker 1: about him or him, it's about whose experience, who's been

524
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Speaker 1: around and one of the things. And we will get

525
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 1: the listeners involved here at web radio, at Patriots dot

526
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 1: com and the ACE ticket Hotline eight five five Pats

527
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: five hundred momentarily. So if you're on the line, stay there,

528
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 1: we'll get to you. If you're writing in, we'll get

529
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: your emails as many as we can. But just to

530
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 1: continue adding to that, one of the problems I think

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Speaker 1: the NFL has always had, and maybe it's not just

532
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: the NFL, maybe it's sports in general, but I focus

533
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: on this league. They seem to retread coaches. You know,

534
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: a name that you recognize automatically gets associated with an

535
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Speaker 1: opening for a job because you know that name. You know,

536
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: like take, for instance, just throwing it out there because

537
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: it's timely, Bill O'Brien's name. You know, the Patriots need

538
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: an offensive coordinator. What Bill O'Brien obviously, because they know

539
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,719
Speaker 1: the name. He's been here before, obviously makes a lot

540
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 1: of sense. But you know, why not one of these

541
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Speaker 1: other very qualified, you know, minority coaches who haven't had

542
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: the opportunity yet. Why did they automatically go to think

543
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: familiar the same way about flora Is coming back. I

544
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: mean I'd be like, hey, I'd bring him back for

545
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: the defense, sure, But I mean, like the retreading of

546
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 1: coaches to me has always been you know, like back

547
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: in the day, like you know, Marty Schartenheimer who was

548
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 1: a good coach, but like his name would always come

549
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: up when there was an opening, and it's like the

550
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: North Turner another one, like there's always feel like that.

551
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: There's less of that now. I think, less aging out

552
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: and well, I just think in general like the retreads,

553
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 1: because I don't I mean I look at the jobs

554
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: and I hear, you know, like last year, like I

555
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: had never heard the name Nick Siriani last year, I

556
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: mean either you know, No, I was familiar with Brandon Staley,

557
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: but not to the point where I thought he got

558
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Speaker 1: the job. This year, you know, Kevin O'Connell is the

559
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: odds on favorite right now, I guess for the Minnesota

560
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: Vikings job. Uh, you know David Culley last year, Like

561
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: I didn't know who David Cully was. Yeah, and he

562
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Speaker 1: gets a job you know with you Like, I just

563
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Speaker 1: I don't think that there is as much of that, Oh,

564
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: you know, who's the best available, uh Shannahan or Schottenheimer

565
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: that we can hire, or you know, some guy who's

566
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: already had two jobs. I don't think there's as much

567
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: of that going on right now. I think a big

568
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: a part of it is you said Shanahan. I mean,

569
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Speaker 1: I think it's some of the success of Kyle Shanahan

570
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: and kind of his tree, because a lot of these guys,

571
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: you know, McVeigh, they all kind of came out of that.

572
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: So I think like part of what I think has

573
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: pushed some of those guys in. Some of those reach

574
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: heads have aged out, But I think it's been kind

575
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: of the success of Shanahan the Rams though. That tree,

576
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: that's what's happening, really blossomed in. Look at them. Look

577
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: at what the McVeigh tree is doing right now. Yeah,

578
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor, it's in the Super Bowl, right this could

579
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Speaker 1: be the fourth year in a row. A guy off

580
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: of his tree is going to get a job if

581
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Speaker 1: O'Connell gets it, and you know, you mentioned the individuals

582
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Speaker 1: Byron Leftwich, you know with the Jags. Evidently that's his

583
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Speaker 1: job if he wants it. Yeah, I don't know what's

584
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: if it's all about Trent Balky, I don't know, and

585
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: we'll see. I don't know what's going on there, but

586
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Speaker 1: I haven't seen a lot of Josh McDaniel's like a

587
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: guy who's already had a job and he's gonna But

588
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Speaker 1: I guess, you know, like I'm thinking of maybe more recently,

589
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Speaker 1: like a guy like Dan Quinn. It's great coordinator, Like

590
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: he was a head coach after the Super Bowl a

591
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: few years ago. We got the Falcon's job, right, you know,

592
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: didn't work out with him with Atlanta, But as soon

593
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: as he gets fired as the head coach, he's scooped

594
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: up to automatically take a coordinator job elsewhere. Oh, like

595
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: that's going to happen with everybody I know. But like

596
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: that's that's my point, where like you don't want to

597
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: force it, you know, because obviously these guys have connections

598
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: with coaches around the league, and you go with the

599
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: guy you're familiar with, and you want to hire somebody

600
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: that you already know. But like there's an opportunity there

601
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: to maybe promote or given give a chance to somebody

602
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Speaker 1: who's working their way up and hasn't gotten a chance

603
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Speaker 1: to do it before. Like I think there's there's too

604
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: much of a reflex reaction to automatically go with a

605
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: name you know, as opposed to trying to do do

606
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Speaker 1: the effort, make the effort to try to look for

607
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: somebody new and again that but again I don't want

608
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: to force it. I don't think that's rael I. I

609
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: don't think I think that's the world. I mean, yes,

610
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: but I think there's plenty, you know, like level of

611
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: familiarity with I mean that most can have. That's a

612
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: coordinator job if he wants one. I mean, I don't

613
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: think there's any doubt about that, right, I'm just saying

614
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: it's it's that's something it is hard to that's hard

615
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Speaker 1: to mandate, Like, no, you can't go with the guy

616
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Speaker 1: you're familiar with, Like, how do you tell somebody that? Right?

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Speaker 1: You know that? So it's it's it's almost an impossible

618
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: riddle to to try to to solve anyway. Uh, all right,

619
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Speaker 1: anything else on the on the YAH because we like

620
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: to watch the Sports Hub and it's on and um,

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Speaker 1: it's an interesting thing now that I guess Ian Rappaport

622
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: had a factoy that the Patriots were interested in possibly

623
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: trying to trade for Derek Carr prior to last season,

624
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: before before before they drafted round and Mac Jones. Huh. Interesting,

625
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Speaker 1: I thought we I thought we had heard that kind

626
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: of scuttle but a little bit at the time we did.

627
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was like what do we

628
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: do a video about it, an on air thing, Okay,

629
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I think I have to say I earned

630
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: a lot of respect for Derek Carr this year and

631
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Speaker 1: just how he how he handled it, that the whole

632
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: you know Gruden thing, and the leadership he showed, and

633
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: you know, just a lot of the comeback ability I

634
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: think he flashed throughout the year. If he had asked

635
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Speaker 1: me last year, I probably would have been nih But

636
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Speaker 1: you know now, I mean, how old is he though

637
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: he's he's got to be around thirty, right, right, Derek Carr? Yeah,

638
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm I I probably would have been

639
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: on board with that. Oh I would have. I would

640
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: have I would have taken Car last year. Yeah, yeah,

641
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: and you would have loved him. It's different now you

642
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: drafted one if you know, but don't know you're gonna

643
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: be able to draft one. No, when you're looking into it.

644
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: But I think if they had gotten Car last year,

645
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: don't you think a lot of people would have looked

646
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: at that as oh, he's clearly another bridge quarterback until

647
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: they find the regular guy. Because I don't think a

648
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: lot of people looked at Car the way they look

649
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,959
Speaker 1: at him now. After the twenty two. Yeah, I mean,

650
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: I certainly don't um, but I think I would have

651
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: looked at him as he's a four to five. He's

652
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: he's a full four year contract starting quarterback guy for us.

653
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: But I think you can make an argument now, like

654
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: would you rather have Derek Carr for the next five

655
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: years or Mac Jones for the next five years? Yeah,

656
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: I could go either way. Yeah, if you guys can

657
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: probably convince me it's not one of it's it's a rare,

658
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: a rare topic. I'm not overly passionized. Well, I think

659
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: Derek Carr's just the right amount of decent and mac

660
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: Jones is just the right amount of rookie contract. And

661
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: you ask me the same question next year and mac

662
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: Jones comes out and improves by twenty percent across the

663
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: board and everything, and I'll say, not close anymore, mac Jones, allow.

664
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: And I mean another interesting part of the argument will

665
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: be seeing how how he does with Josh and how

666
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: he kind of assimilates into into that system and you

667
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: know what kind of success he has. That might be

668
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: a little bit of a preview of how things might

669
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: have looked here. All right, Uh, let's get some Uh,

670
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: let's get some listeners involved in this here show. Let's

671
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: start on the ACE ticket hotline, Joaquin and Santa Rosa,

672
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: good good morning out there, Good morning to you. How

673
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: are you guys doing good? How are you what's up?

674
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 1: Doing good? Doing good? Just a work just taking a

675
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: little break one and chime in on you guys. Um,

676
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: I'm a little late to the party. So, um, first,

677
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: I want to start off with what a hell of

678
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: a career Tom Brady had in the span of that time.

679
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: I mean just not only as a Patriots fan, but

680
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: as a you know, as a fan of his like

681
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: playing as well. I mean just incredible and I'm forever

682
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: think well as a Patriots fan for everything that he's

683
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 1: done for us. I mean just amazing. But I had

684
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: one question for you guys, and I'll take it off

685
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: the air because I got to go back to work, right. Um, realistically,

686
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: who do you guys see the Patriots getting or or

687
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: I think getting is a little like too much for

688
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 1: what I would say, consider bringing in for the offensive

689
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: coordinator position and I'll take it off the air, all right,

690
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: Thanks Joaquin, appreciate the call. Yeah, I know rap Sheet

691
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: had a little bit on Bill O'Brien. Um, nothing definitive,

692
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: but said, you know, if he thinks both sides would

693
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 1: have some interest in it. So it was a little

694
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: bit too Nick Saban said, not as far as I know. Um,

695
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: I know, I think that there was also some uh

696
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: some mention about Adam Gase, but I don't know how

697
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: many real like And we talked about familiarity, I mean,

698
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: and I think that's where you immediately go, especially with

699
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: this team, where I don't think you've seen a lot

700
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: of high level coordinators kind of come in and and

701
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: instantly step into to the new job when they haven't

702
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: really been here much. I mean, you know, it's it's

703
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: obviously been a very small sample size in terms of

704
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: offensive coordinators. What have you had three, three or four guys? Um?

705
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: Defensively you've had a bunch of years you haven't even

706
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: had one, you know. Um. But in both cases, the

707
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: systems haven't really changed. Yeah, right, that and that's and

708
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: that's why I think it's a little bit of an

709
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: unknown right now. And you know, even with a guy

710
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: like Gaye, who Bill Belichick's expressed uh, you know, support

711
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: of and you know he thinks he's a good coach

712
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: and everything, but you know, just how is it going

713
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: to change. Is he going to bring in somebody who's

714
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: kind of autonomous and you know, able to run the

715
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: show like Joshua's last year with Mac and you know,

716
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: let Bill do what he does? I mean, is he

717
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 1: And then then we talked about it. Does it feed

718
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: into the defensive side, like, how's Bill going to divide

719
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: up his time this year? Is he going to spend

720
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 1: you know, I have to spend time with both sides

721
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: of the ball as he gets a coordinator on the

722
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: same page as him and his coaching staff, um, you know,

723
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: or is he ready to promote somebody as the defensive

724
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: coordinator and you know, let or even bring somebody in

725
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: and let them work and he just kind of does

726
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: more overseeing than anything. So I'm really curious how it's

727
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: all going to play out, how it will affect the

728
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: Patriots in terms of their system, in terms of what

729
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: they're asking Mac Jones to do this year, learning new

730
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: things or what. Um. And if it is somebody like

731
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: Adam Gase, what what does he bring? What is the

732
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: new kind of twist that you know, stylistically that that

733
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: he brings to the party. So um, But you know,

734
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: I think it always starts with Billy Oh and the

735
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: familiarity and somebody who's been here and a move that

736
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: you know reasonably would seem to make sense for him

737
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: to get back to the NFL level and you know,

738
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: do what Josh did and return. Um. I've said before,

739
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: I love you know, the fact that he's had some

740
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: experience around the league and you know, had to coach

741
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: different quarterbacks and you know, has tried to take what

742
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: he learned here and apply it elsewhere and make it

743
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: digestible for other players. And you know, it's something that

744
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: I think somewhat Josh was a little bit spoiled with

745
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: that He coached Tom Brady and he's you know, working

746
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 1: every day with a guy who's completely on the same

747
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: page as him. They've been together forever. They know, they

748
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: speak the same language, and never you know, has less

749
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 1: experience trying to take that out and apply it to

750
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: other players. So, um, it's it's a it's a fascinating

751
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: question that this offseason, how they're going to go what

752
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: direction on both sides with the coordinator positions. Yeah, I

753
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: just wonder if they if they are at a point

754
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: where they you know, run out of guys who are

755
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: familiar with the system to coach. I might have to say, well,

756
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to go with somebody who may have

757
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: new ideas or you know, a new system entirely, which

758
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: is an ideal, but I think that there's some new ideas,

759
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: like you know, and I don't want to to be

760
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: as like a shot at Josh or that, but I

761
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: just you know, they've been here a while, like you

762
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: just you want a fresh set of eyes. You want

763
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: you know, we knew last year kind of what that

764
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: offense was, and you know how they would manufacture plays

765
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 1: sometimes with the double passes, trick plays, that kind of thing.

766
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: You know what, what does the new coordinator bring that's new,

767
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: that's exciting that you know, maybe is something that opponents

768
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: aren't necessarily expecting. I think you've had a chance of

769
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: the last couple of years to lock in on this

770
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: Patriots offense without Tom Brady, with Cam Newton, with Mac

771
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: Jones and Josh McDaniel's at the helm. So you know

772
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: what changes now You've got a good little base for

773
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 1: Mac to you know, build off of. I'm sure Josh

774
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: you know, did a great job this year and you know,

775
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: getting him into the NFL and getting him experience and

776
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: I mean the way he was able to digest everything

777
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: was you know, remarkable. Which quick aside, you know her

778
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: Jim Naki talking last night on the Senior Bowl and

779
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: he just brought up Mac and you know, he said,

780
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks here, a lot of times they come they

781
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: haven't even huddled up, and he's like, you know, you

782
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: look at Mac Jones was able to come in and

783
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: just right away it was able to get in the huddle,

784
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 1: get guys, you don't get the play out, break the huddle,

785
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: get up and take the snap. And you know, just

786
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: even something as simple as that on the surface, I

787
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: think for a lot of fans might be like a

788
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: no brainer. Alo of course any quarterback can do that. Um,

789
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: I think that you know, speaks a little bit to

790
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: you know, just Max's preparedness. But overall, how is a

791
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: new OC gonna mesh with him? And again the other

792
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: been of news was the quarterback coach he's going to

793
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: Vegas as well. We did some of that. Yeah, I

794
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: just hear agree over heart agree he's going to be

795
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks coach in with the Raiders. So, um, it'll

796
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: be a new a new staff in that room for

797
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: Mac next year. So there's there's that first other domino

798
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 1: to fall. We were wondering who on the staff he

799
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: might take. They're interviewing other defensive coordinators too, because I

800
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: had wondered, if you know, if Mayo might be it

801
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 1: might be a target for for them to grab. But

802
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 1: it seems like it seems like they're looking around and not.

803
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like they have him earmarked for it.

804
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: All right, another call here, Anthony's in Delaware on the

805
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: stick at hotline. Hey, Anthony Hetty, are you guys down

806
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: pretty good? What's on your mind? I just said, I

807
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: think like three quick questions. Um. I don't know if

808
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: you guys talked about it, but Adamazzare put out an

809
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: article a couple of days ago, maybe a week ago.

810
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: I'm saying that the Patriots, I guess after the bye

811
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,439
Speaker 1: week bill, his assistants take to lead. And I don't

812
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: know if you guys had any thoughts on that. I've

813
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: seen that. I've seen that around, mentioning that early on

814
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: he gave the defensive coaches freedom, he took over during

815
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: the wind streak, and then he gave it back up.

816
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know I've heard this mention,

817
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: but I don't buy it. It seems to all fit

818
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: nicely with a narrative of Bill um and I mean, really,

819
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 1: how like how much less involved is he? Like? Really

820
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: Bill should just be given credit for being seven and

821
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,720
Speaker 1: oh last year, right, and then those were the games

822
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: he helped out. I don't know. I mean, I do

823
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: think that what you can't argue with is that this

824
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: defense has kind of looked the same in the last

825
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: three years or the way it has been currently structured,

826
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: especially with nineteen and twenty one, where you had everybody

827
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 1: pumping it up mid season about how good they were

828
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: and the wheels just came completely off the bus. So

829
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: there's something going on there. I don't think that it's

830
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick not being involved enough. I just I think

831
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: that they need to figure out some kind of new

832
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: structure in there, whether it's bringing in a defensive coordinator.

833
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: But it's just it's happened too much. They're not buying

834
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 1: in at the most important time a year. They're playing

835
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: their worst football down with you, and that's that's a fact. Yeah,

836
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: all right, And I just have two more quick questions

837
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: and I'll take them off the air. Okay, see jewels

838
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: and I remember Paul mentioning something about jewels coming out

839
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: of retirement. I don't know if that was just or

840
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: about was something that was actually happening? No, And then

841
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: not something that was actually happening. No. I think he

842
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: just posted like a picture yeah, yeah, like he had

843
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: cleats on each Okay, maybe maybe I missed a joke

844
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: or something and it wasn't a joke. It was something

845
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: on like Twitter. Yeah, like you know, he posted a

846
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: picture I think of his cleats or his gloves he

847
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: had to marking out. Yeah, like it looked like even

848
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: one of those cryptic kind of tweets. And then as

849
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: far as the Senior Bowl goals, Um, do you guys

850
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: think that because you know, we obviously take a lot

851
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 1: of people from the Senior Bowl. I think Plats Bulpa

852
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: has it. Since twenty ten, we've taken forty four players

853
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: and then eleven additional ud says. Do you think that

854
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: kind of plays into the A? I mean, I guess

855
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: it's really my new But do you think that plays

856
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: into the age thing and all that kind of stuff?

857
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: What do you mean by the age things? They like

858
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: to draft older players. I think they draft a ton

859
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: of underclassmen too, so I think the Patriots are not

860
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: adverse to getting players from anywhere. Thanks Anthony, No, I

861
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 1: never I never heard that. I never heard that they

862
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 1: like to draft older players, well, senior Bowl players. That's

863
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,479
Speaker 1: what he's saying. Like the drafted forty four guys, they're older. Yeah,

864
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl guys are obviously senior seniors. Yeah. Um, so

865
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: I don't. I I think most importantly for Belichick is

866
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: he's looking for specific kinds of players. And I think,

867
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's really um it served him

868
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: well for the most part over you know, twenty plus years,

869
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: and I think lately it's been a little bit of

870
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: a more of a struggle. Now this past draft, this

871
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: last year, it looks like they have a really good

872
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,760
Speaker 1: draft with three guys that you know, made made an impact.

873
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: To me, it's more it's more about opportunity give guys.

874
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: You know, you drafted a running back and a quarterback

875
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: who got got to play right away, and you got

876
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: to see a lot like I love Barmore as you know,

877
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: I've been gushing about them all year. If Barnmoller was

878
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: the only guy who played in last year's draft, right,

879
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 1: how would you think of it? In terms of the player,

880
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: not the draft. If Barmore is the only player to

881
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: play last year, Steven Right, you'd be like, he'd be like, oh, well,

882
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: they have one guy who plays part time on the

883
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 1: defensive line, and you know, it looks like he can play.

884
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: That's the way you looked at it. But when you

885
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: have a quarterback that you drafted and he's your starter

886
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: from day one, and you have a running back who

887
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: I think is every bit as good as Damien Harris

888
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: also contributing greatly to the offense, plus a defensive tackle

889
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: who has played really well, now you look at Barmore higher,

890
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: you look at the draft higher, and you sort of wonder, Okay,

891
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,919
Speaker 1: is this a trend? Is where we're going? Now? Yeah?

892
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: I think there's another part of that too, PAULI, which

893
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: is you get guys to play, You get to know

894
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: if they can play. Like what Devin Asias. You could

895
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: tell me right now, Ronnie Perkins next year is going

896
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: to be a starter and play like eighty percent of

897
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: the snaps, and I wouldn't argue with you one bit.

898
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: You could also tell me that he will not play

899
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: another snap for the Patriots, right and I wouldn't argue

900
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 1: one bit I have absolutely no idea, Right, there's an

901
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: advantage to finding out and not waiting two years to

902
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: give him a chance. And then you find out and

903
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: then you realize, now we really need to replace you know,

904
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: this player. And I mean I brought up ASSISI is

905
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: just an example of a guy who's a really good one.

906
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: Well what could we don't know really anything about him,

907
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: and you know, cut to two years ago after they

908
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: drafted him, and you know, I mean I particularly wasn't

909
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: super high on him, and I mean he was fine.

910
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: Thought he that was a kind of a weak draft

911
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: class anyway for tight end. But you know, it's just

912
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 1: some of these guys and we took two right dol

913
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: Keene as well, same boat, same boat, you know. So

914
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: but that's what we talk about. Are they gonna have

915
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: to turn it over this year and kind of bite

916
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: the bullet on some of these guys, Like if high

917
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: Tower doesn't come back, if mccordy doesn't come back, do

918
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: you have to bite the bullet on guys like Anthony

919
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: Jennings and Ucha and Winovich and you just gotta let

920
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 1: him play And if they can't do it, then you

921
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: get rid of him and you replace him other than

922
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: letting them just take up a roster spot as a

923
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: part time third down player and occasional special teams guy.

924
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: You know, and you never have any idea if this

925
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: guy's going to be able to contry. And that's why

926
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: I you know, that's the genesis of my discussion with Fred,

927
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,720
Speaker 1: you know, during the course of the season, Like because

928
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: Bill doesn't play him doesn't mean that that's right. And

929
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: I'm not telling you that Ronnie Perkins is great. He's

930
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: this untapped start that we don't know. I'm saying, let's

931
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: find out so we don't go into seasons. You know,

932
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: in Ucha's case year right, like what what not? Not

933
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: really knowing what is going to be telling us next

934
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 1: summer about what josh Ucha is doing it. I think

935
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: is a guy that if you are excited about Cameron mcgron,

936
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: at least he had a reason for not playing. He

937
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 1: tore his acl. Bill told you on Draft night he's

938
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: not going to be a part of the equation in

939
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. So if you have some faith that

940
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 1: Cameron mcgron could be something, you're not wrong. We knew

941
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: what was going to happen with him. Ronnie Perkins. If

942
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: you had some faith in him. It has to at

943
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: least be a little bit shaken, yeah, because he didn't

944
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: play right, and he wasn't playing in training camp, he

945
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: wasn't getting reps. He didn't look like he was part

946
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: of the equation from day one when we went out

947
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: there and watched, whereas there were plenty of other guys,

948
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: you know, younger guys that were Barmore for one, you know,

949
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: was kind of involved right from the start. So it's

950
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: it's tough. I wish that we got a chance to

951
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: see more of the young guys. Yeah, me too, you know,

952
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: so we wouldn't have what what Mike just said about

953
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: j Whovich Perkins. You know, where do these guys all

954
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: fit in? And for as little you know, as like

955
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: Winovich did this year, like Ronnie Perkins couldn't have done that,

956
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean. Like, and it's just

957
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: kind of a continuing point. What Jon Oh Smith did?

958
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: Ye could have done that right, right? You know, I

959
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe he couldn't. Maybe he's not a blocker either,

960
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: or maybe they just like Jon wh Smith as a

961
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: blocker that's why he played fifty percent of the place,

962
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: or maybe they figured like we paid Jonna Smith fifty

963
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: million bucks. We got a plan to me that explains

964
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: the thought process heading into the season when you get

965
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: about halfway in and you realize I ain't getting it.

966
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: You know, Josh all but said it at one point

967
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 1: like late October. You know, you know maybe next year

968
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: in the system, you know, blah blah blahy. At some

969
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 1: point do you look at it and say, Okay, we're

970
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: not gonna bench John Oh Smith. We still like him

971
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: as a blocker, but let's see if we can get

972
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: as involved a lot, because now you have another guy

973
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: you need. You have another guy who's going to have

974
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: a rookie year in year three, right right? And as us, yeah,

975
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: a quick email or two before we go back to

976
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: the phone. Sullman in the Bay Area. Hey, crew, kudos

977
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: to Brian Flores for risking his NFL career to bring

978
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: this to the forefront. The Rooney rule is disingenuous as

979
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: far as losing games on purpose. Hasn't this already happened

980
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: recently in the NFL. The twenty eleven Colts basically barely

981
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: tried to win games to get the first pick to

982
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: select Luck. I know there's no smoking gun from someone

983
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: who was internal, But wasn't that obvious tanking? And I

984
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: think tanking is fine. Throw losing games on purpose is not. Yeah,

985
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: you made that distinction before, but that might have been

986
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: his email. Might might I think that. I think that

987
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: what the Dolphins are being accused of right now is

988
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 1: throwing games. And I think that's different than tanking a season. Now.

989
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong, Maybe it's one and the same. I

990
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: don't think. And I also think the Colts are a

991
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 1: different situation. I don't think the Colts went into the

992
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: twenty eleven season saying we got to do whatever we

993
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: can to get Andrew Luck. I think Peyton Manning's status

994
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: was up in the air throughout the off season and

995
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: right into the summer. And then what did they do?

996
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: What did Pollyan do? What I think was foolish by

997
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: the way. He didn't just go and roll roll the

998
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: dice and go into it. He went and signed Kerry Collins.

999
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: That's the quarterback he went with to start the season.

1000
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: Forgot about him that they went out and got the

1001
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: best available NFL quarterback and they tried to win and

1002
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: he was a disaster, Which big surprise. You signed a

1003
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 1: guy on the eve of the season and you throw him,

1004
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 1: throw him in there. You know. Now once the season starts, yeah,

1005
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: you know, once you're owing five or whatever whatever it is,

1006
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 1: we don't want to win. Let's we got Andrew Luck waiting.

1007
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: Let's just ride this out. But to me, that's different

1008
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: than openly going into the game telling your head coach,

1009
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,879
Speaker 1: we want to lose today, do whatever you can to lose. Yeah,

1010
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: And that's why I was interested in it because I

1011
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: think the methodology for tanking is is pretty clear to me.

1012
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: And that's you know, unloading guys that are expensive, and

1013
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: you know, there's a whole playbook for it, but the

1014
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 1: playbook for trying to throw a game as a head

1015
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 1: coach that just don't know, it's very what do you do?

1016
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: Very complicated? How you would how you would engineer that?

1017
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: And you know, and that's why I said, like, I

1018
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 1: think you could easily say no problem and then not

1019
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: where do you draw the line? And I'm not trying

1020
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: to be like a smartass about this, but where do

1021
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: you draw the line? Like when Bill Belichick, for all

1022
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: intents and purposes, told Matt Castle to overthrow a two

1023
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: point conversion that would have tied a game that they

1024
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: wanted to lose for seating purposes, does that count? Like,

1025
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: where do you draw the line on that stuff? Yeah? Yeah,

1026
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: And there's been countless examples of teams that sort of

1027
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:42,959
Speaker 1: had their draft suation or their playoff seating sealed and

1028
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 1: didn't play you know, X amount of personnel. They clearly

1029
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: lost that game on purpose. This is why I say

1030
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: it's tanking, not I'm throwing the game, right. Yeah, I

1031
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 1: think I think there's a difference. You know, maybe I'm

1032
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: the only one that thinks that that's two different things.

1033
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: And that's fine. My way doesn't have to be the

1034
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: right way. Again, we're not. Yeah, that way doesn't have

1035
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: to be the right way. Go back to the phones,

1036
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,439
Speaker 1: our old buddy Chris with a T I A N

1037
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: is on. What's up Christian? Hey guys, nothing much? Um man?

1038
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: What a week? Yeah, never a dull moment, Never a

1039
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: dulb moment in this league. And this, uh, this stadium

1040
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: sure isn't. Um you know it's I The thing about

1041
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: floor is just terrible if that's true. Um, I mean

1042
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 1: talk about and attacking like a man's integrity, uh, you know,

1043
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: in in his profession to try to do that, it

1044
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: is just awful to get him to throw games. If

1045
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: it's true, of course, I mean, you know, but in it,

1046
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: in it, I think this is the one sort of

1047
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: big thing that the NFL is sort of always worried

1048
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: about and regards to gambling and stuff, you know, this

1049
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: type of stuff. Um. So I just that see how

1050
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: it all plays out. But it's really it's really really

1051
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: really unfortunate. And and like Paul said, this is you know,

1052
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: if this is true, like he's got to go m

1053
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:10,919
Speaker 1: Ross owner. Yeah. Um. And I just yesterday you guys

1054
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: were talking about Tuesday, you guys were talking about the

1055
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 1: you know, the great Brady Please and uh, you know,

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00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: for me to really stand out, the two thousand and

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00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: four AFC Championship game in Pittsburgh when he had the

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00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: play action a branch Yes that's sixty bomb, Yeah I remember,

1059
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: and then he taunted the Steelers with my dad very

1060
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: very branch wave goodbye to the Steelers taunting. No touchdown,

1061
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 1: but it was great. Um. And and you know the

1062
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: record breaking a Moss against the Giants and Week sixteen. Yeah,

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00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: yeah that even though that season obviously it didn't then

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00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: the way we all wanted it too. There were just

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00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 1: so many memorable ballment, so particularly the play before while

1066
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: Boss dropped it or Brady I think under threw him

1067
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,439
Speaker 1: and they just came back and ran the same play.

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00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: Like you know, I forgot about that, Christian, that's a

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00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: good call it again, Yeah, but do it again. The

1070
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: players at the top of the game, you know. Yeah,

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00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 1: and even if even with Branch like an old four

1072
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: like you know, those two guys that the Gail that

1073
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,919
Speaker 1: they had together and just at the top of their game.

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00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: Those are the things I'll remember. Um, he didn't include

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00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: the past obviously in his in his h you know

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00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: a statement. Well he did recently, just put out a

1077
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 1: video about an hour ago. Did you guys see this?

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00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: I did, and I think he did that because of

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00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 1: the anniversary of the But there were more Bucks clips

1080
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: than Patriot clips. I was very upset about it. So

1081
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: you can't manufacture the Hey can't done. You can't do it.

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00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: Somebody will though. You know, I'll remember those plays when

1083
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: he's in that he can't in five years and not

1084
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: what he put on his Instagram. So that's how I

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00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: love you all. Thank you all all all caps for

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00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: making this incredible jobs. Yeah, let's see what he did there. Yeah,

1087
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 1: everybody there you go. He made up things. So Christian,

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00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 1: big question for you, who are you rooting for in

1089
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl this week? A r NFC got what

1090
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: do you got? Who's your pick? Got a hurry pick?

1091
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: I'm tom totally kidding. Are you even gonna be watching?

1092
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: Are they wearing pads? In a serious question? Are you

1093
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: gonna watch Mac Jones? I'll watch Mac, but I haven't

1094
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: watched the Pro Bowl in like ten years. Yeah, me

1095
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: neither ever since they left Hawaii. There's no I want

1096
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: to get the view. I want to get the New

1097
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: England viewing numbers of the Pro Bowl what they've been

1098
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: in the last ten years, and the spike with Mac

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00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: Jones going in the good Christian goods for you, paul

1100
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: I wasn't pay he wasn't paying attention. That rats some

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00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: of us doing textings, all right, see you later. What

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00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: did I miss? He was saying that we were talking

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00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 1: about the Pro Bowl and if the numbers are gonna

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00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: spike in New England because Mac is playing, and Christians said,

1105
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: even if they're not, the NFL will put out a

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00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 1: statement saying that they are. Said that was for you, Paulie.

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Speaker 1: Oh question. Jeffrom Pennsylvania writes in Hey guys, great job

1108
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: is always with the show. I'm sure there are others, However,

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00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: I just wanted to point out you guys were the

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00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: first media personnel I heard who shared my thoughts on

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00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 1: the Rooney Rule. I completely agree with the fact that

1112
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: more minority representation is needed in all sports, but especially

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00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: the NFL. Across the board. However, I believe the Rooney Rule,

1114
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: while it looks good on paper, is just a rubber

1115
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: stamp or checkbox in the application process for owners or management,

1116
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: potentially to humor in quotes minor applicants for sake, for

1117
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: the sake of the rule, I think this is a

1118
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: problem that absolutely needs to be addressed, but the Rooney

1119
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: Rule does more harm than good, especially when it rarely

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Speaker 1: leads to actual results. Just wanted to say thanks for

1121
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: making great points on the topic and keep up the

1122
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: tremendous work. Thank you, Jeff, Thank you Jeff. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: a it's a it's a tough issue. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: Brian Flores. He's going to have his hands full, and

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Speaker 1: I'm sure he knows that when he did it. But

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Speaker 1: you know, a lot of respect for him and what

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00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 1: he did, and I just I wonder. I mean, I

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00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: wonder what the what the mood was mood here with

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00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: that when they found that out. And I know that

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00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 1: I know Brian Flores said he didn't let Bill know

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00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,479
Speaker 1: that he was going to use this text message. Yeah,

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00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 1: so that I think on CNN and I and IM

1133
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,439
Speaker 1: sure it's a fair opinion that that people might think

1134
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: that that might have burned a bridge here, But I

1135
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 1: wasn't quite there yet. I mean, I don't, I don't know.

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00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I would you know, I think in a

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00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: perfect world, you would have liked Flores to give him

1138
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:16,439
Speaker 1: the heads up of you know, coach, you're not named

1139
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 1: in lawsuit, but you know, this mistake I think was

1140
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: a prime example that you know, really set me off.

1141
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 1: And you know, I just want you to know that

1142
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: it's going to happen. I think I would hope that,

1143
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 1: you know, Belichick would at least understand that. But I don't.

1144
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not holding out hope that he's going

1145
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: to come back here. I just I hope, I hope

1146
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 1: he still is able to get a good coaching. I

1147
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 1: think it deserves it. I am too, and and I

1148
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: you know, we entered this offseason with I think nine

1149
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: head coaching openings when you counted the Saints after after

1150
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,280
Speaker 1: after Peyton stepped down. Yes, thank you for correcting yourself,

1151
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: Matt morrel Um. And he filed the suit while there

1152
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 1: were still opening like teams hadn't high I don't know

1153
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: if that's because they were waiting for candidates who were

1154
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: still involved in the playoffs on either the Bengals, the

1155
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 1: or the Rams. We mentioned Kevin O'Connell the RAMSOC who's

1156
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: probably gonna get the Vikings job. But this is a

1157
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: question that I don't think I've seen either addressed or

1158
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 1: answered anywhere else in the media over the last couple

1159
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: of days. And maybe you guys have is Brian Flores

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00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: still while he's suing the league? Is he eligible to

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00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: be hired by any of these teams that have openings. Yeah,

1162
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: there's nothing that says he can't get a job while

1163
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: he's still saying the league, right, And evidently he informed

1164
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: both Houston and New Orleans of his lawsuit and they

1165
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: still wanted to interview him. Good, So there's that, right.

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Speaker 1: So all these people saying, you know, you know, speculating

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00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: that he's burnt a bridge, I mean, teams might still

1168
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: want to hire him right in theory or I think so,

1169
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: I mean the reality deal with I mean, you know,

1170
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: it's just we don't know all the details, but I

1171
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: mean he was still able to I mean we saw

1172
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 1: it firsthand. A competitive football team that played hard for him. Um,

1173
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: you know, certainly gave the Patriots plenty of problems. I

1174
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: you know, I mean as just speaking strictly as somebody

1175
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: who's seen his team all to Patriots a few times

1176
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: or not. I mean, they're demolished, but at least get

1177
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 1: them when when maybe they weren't quite as talented, or

1178
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: maybe when they didn't quite have much as to play for. Um.

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00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 1: I think that in and of itself is Hey, if

1180
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: he gets into a good situation where the owner isn't

1181
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: asking him to throw games, like you know what, what

1182
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: couldn't he do? And I mean I think that's uh,

1183
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's representative that last game of twenty nineteen.

1184
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: You talk about all this stuff that he went through,

1185
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: and the coach was asking him to fight. You know,

1186
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 1: he got those guys to play hard, so they were

1187
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: still playing for him, you know, And I think that

1188
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 1: would have been the bigger problem if he had lost

1189
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: the team, and you know what's going with the owner.

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00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it clearly seems like he kept that at

1191
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: that to me is the worry with him. It is

1192
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 1: not necessarily that, but like, why was he going through

1193
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: offensive coordinators like he was changing songs? Why would you

1194
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: know some of the guys they brought in immediately, you know,

1195
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: let go you know what? What was some of the

1196
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: problems behind the scenes. Now I don't know. Maybe this

1197
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: was the genesis of the problems behind the scenes, right,

1198
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: was there was that there was a disconnect between maybe

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Speaker 1: Greer ye and uh Stephen Ross. How does career fit

1200
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: into this too? Career by the way, a minority, which

1201
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 1: I think normally I would think is completely and totally irrelevant.

1202
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: But in this case, if you're putting it together a

1203
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: lawsuit about it, yeah, I don't think it is. Um

1204
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: So you have this potential disconnect between the two. Who

1205
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,919
Speaker 1: knows and he is related to the former Patriots coach

1206
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:24,919
Speaker 1: and personnel guy Bobby Greer, and he's kind of stuck

1207
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: in the middle. Good friends with Mike, his younger brother

1208
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: set up my first goal and I played Mike hockey

1209
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 1: with Yeah, my first goal, mighty. He was awesome. My

1210
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: career was the greatest I mean youth hockey player ever

1211
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 1: saw in my life. My dad was the coach and

1212
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: we got him in Sports Illustrated Faces in the Crowd

1213
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: the year that that that he just was unstoppable. Um.

1214
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: But you know, I got called up and my first

1215
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: goal was like there with Mikey, just stand in front

1216
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 1: of the net and micros, you know, skating through everybody

1217
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: in there pretty much. But um, but you know, this

1218
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: is probably probably probably a good time to maybe share

1219
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: this story. Was my first experience with racism and my

1220
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: career knocked the crap out of bill Rica in a

1221
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: youth hockey tournament and as we were getting our awards,

1222
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 1: there were some parents that were yelling in the stands.

1223
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: Parents things, parents, racist things. And I must be really

1224
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: really lucky seven years old. It was it was the

1225
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 1: first time that you know, it even you know, I

1226
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: had any idea. I mean, granted, you know, I grew

1227
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 1: up in a very sheltered suburban life. Um, but you know,

1228
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: that was the first time for me. And you know,

1229
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: I remember that the town was banned from the tournament.

1230
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 1: There was all kinds of fallout. Um. But you know,

1231
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: just kind of weird how that it kind of all

1232
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: intersects around that. Yeah, yeah, that's that's awful. I mean,

1233
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to say that there were

1234
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 1: some of the players like in the like in the

1235
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: in the handshake line, I like saying stuff, I don't

1236
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 1: want anything against bill Rica, but like like when you're

1237
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: that you've never heard of the town, you go there,

1238
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: you play, and that that was just always what I

1239
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 1: think of when I think of bill Ricka. What was

1240
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: that experience at the end of the game when they

1241
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 1: were handing out the trophy and the parents were very

1242
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: upset because my career had just undressed their whole team.

1243
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: Like multiple times we had. We had an incident, Paul.

1244
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 1: You remember when we were down at the Super Bowl

1245
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 1: in Atlanta. I do. We met up for lunch with

1246
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,919
Speaker 1: with a fan of the show who's a really great guy.

1247
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 1: He's he's contributed emails and calls over the years, and

1248
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: he showed up where we were taping our our TV

1249
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 1: segment that day and he's like, I want to take

1250
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 1: you guys out to lunch. So we went out to

1251
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: lunch and we went to this little place right around

1252
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: the corner, and apparently the owner of the establishment was

1253
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 1: like coming around to people's tables and glad handing and whatnot,

1254
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 1: and he came over. I don't remember exactly what he said,

1255
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: but I don't either. It was there he said something

1256
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: to our friend that was clearly uh, I mean, it

1257
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 1: was overtly racist. And he said it and kind of

1258
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: laughed and like was like as if he had known

1259
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 1: the guy forever and was like, hey, I went, you know,

1260
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: buddy whatever, like making this joke, like how do you

1261
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: know that? And like Paul and I, Paul and I

1262
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 1: were like ready to like jump over the table and

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Speaker 1: strangle this guy, right, but like guy taking me out

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Speaker 1: to lunch, You you're putting my lunch in jeopardy with

1265
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: your nonsense, you know, I was. I was angry. Yeah, no,

1266
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: I remember what Eric was talking about. It was now.

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01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 1: I don't really think it was malicious, but it was

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01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:21,959
Speaker 1: just in such poor taste and so lame like tone.

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01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe that someone would would do something like

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01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 1: like if you like, I'm sure like you have friends

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01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: I have friends that like we joke about each other. Friend, No,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we have friends like you joke about like

1273
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 1: their their ethnicity or you know the fact that you're Italian.

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01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 1: They they make fun of me for being Italian. You know,

1275
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: you you can do that with people that you are

1276
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:43,959
Speaker 1: very friendly with, who you've known forever. And this guy

1277
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 1: who owned the restaurant came over and said this thing

1278
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 1: to our buddy as if he had known him, like

1279
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: as if they were friends for a long time and

1280
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 1: knew he could get away with it. Was you, what

1281
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 1: was your friend's reaction to it? He played it as

1282
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: cool as you could imagine, because but probably happens. My

1283
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: guess is that, Yeah, my guess is that's his life,

1284
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: and and it it just infuriated me. I wanted. I

1285
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 1: wanted to get up and walk out of the restaurant

1286
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 1: and like flip the table over on the guy and say,

1287
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 1: I'm not even paying for your stupid lunch. Yeah, and

1288
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: we're getting the hell out of here. But I wasn't

1289
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: paying for the lunch anyways. No, but I mean our

1290
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: friend to his credit, to his credit, he handled it

1291
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 1: as well as anybody could have expected. Um, but that

1292
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: was one of the well, certainly the most recent time

1293
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: I've come across something that overt And again to post point,

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01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 1: the guy who said it probably wasn't thinking he wasn't

1295
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: doing it to be mean about it. He just thought

1296
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 1: he was trying to make a joke. It was trying

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01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 1: to be funny. It just wasn't. It just felt so

1298
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 1: flat that I don't know, I just I and I

1299
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 1: could just imagine that he does this anytime somebody comes

1300
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 1: into the restaurant, and I'm thinking, yeah, boy, I've gotten

1301
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 1: that before. Don't you don't you don't you forget about that?

1302
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 1: All right, Let's go back to the ACE ticket hot

1303
01:03:53,680 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 1: line where Parker is in New York. What's up Parker? Hey, guys,

1304
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 1: I wanted me a comment about the Rooney rule, but

1305
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 1: I just wanted to say, you know, I think with

1306
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 1: like when I first read online that like Patriots fans

1307
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 1: were upset about people about Tom not banking the Patriots

1308
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 1: fan base, I thought like, oh, like what a bunch

1309
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 1: of like winey babies, Like who cares? And then I

1310
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 1: read what he wrote and then I was like, wait

1311
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 1: a second. He was like pouring out his heart and

1312
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 1: he didn't mention us at all, And all I could

1313
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 1: think was, I'm a thirty one year old man. Ever

1314
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 1: since I was eleven years old, I've been down on

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01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 1: my knees praying, like for this man, to like win

1316
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 1: football games, like calling in favors from God, which is

1317
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 1: like a personal relationship. And I was like, what are

1318
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 1: these Bucks fans done for this guy? Like I canceled

1319
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: plans to root him on. You know, I've done all.

1320
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: I like every bar I walked into that's not in

1321
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 1: like Massachusetts. I feel like put my nuts on the

1322
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 1: table and be like Tom Brady didn't cheat, the Belichick

1323
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 1: didn't cheat and all this stuff, and it's like I've

1324
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 1: gone through so much with Tom Brady for the last

1325
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 1: twenty years, and I was just like, wow, like not

1326
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 1: gonna say anything. I don't know. For me, I was

1327
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 1: just like, that hard for you? He was saying, was

1328
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 1: that hard for you to to to go through all

1329
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 1: that and win six titles? That that really that was hard? Huh?

1330
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 1: It balanced it out. It balanced it out. But what

1331
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 1: I what I wanted to call about was it was

1332
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 1: about the rooting rule and something that I think, like

1333
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 1: I haven't heard many people talk about, which is like

1334
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 1: every company in the United States has to follow the

1335
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: same sort of labor laws and the labor rules, and

1336
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, the NFL has like found some loophole

1337
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 1: where they don't have to follow the same rules, and

1338
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 1: the one I'm talking about is sort of like the

1339
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 1: five four fifth rule or the adverse impact. And I

1340
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 1: won't get into like the nitty GRITTYAVI because it's a

1341
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: little wonky, But basically, every single company when they're hiring anybody,

1342
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 1: at every single stage of the interview process. So if

1343
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 1: you think about hiring, you have like that interview one,

1344
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 1: interview two, maybe do you give the offer every single stage,

1345
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 1: there's a mathematical formula that can be made um to

1346
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: determine if there was some sort of discrimination against any

1347
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 1: protective class, so gender, race, religion, and okay, well I

1348
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 1: didn't even get to the map. I didn't want to

1349
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 1: get to wanting basically the selection rate, not the interview rate.

1350
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 1: The selection rate of all qualified candidates for the biggest

1351
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 1: group can't like the smaller groups, can't be any less

1352
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 1: than eighty percent than the largest group that makes it

1353
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 1: through the process. And it's all about transparency, So they

1354
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 1: basically have to show that of all the only of

1355
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 1: the qualified candidates, all of those candidates, you can't be

1356
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: selecting a ton more of one group than the other groups.

1357
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 1: Only qualified candidates. And so when it comes to the

1358
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 1: NFL what they should be doing is being way more transparent.

1359
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 1: They need to be showing exactly what qualifications it takes

1360
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 1: to be a head coach and all the other coaches,

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01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 1: and then if you qualify, if you're if you meet

1362
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 1: those qualifications, maybe you've coached for ten years in the

1363
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 1: league you've done, maybe you've been a coordinator for at

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01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 1: least three years, whatever those qualifications are, if you meet

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01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 1: those qualifications, you should be able to apply for the job.

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01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 1: And then the NFL or each team has to do

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01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 1: what every other company does, which is show that all

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01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 1: the qualified candidates. There isn't sort of this outside like

1369
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 1: there isn't a lot of one group that seems to

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01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 1: be getting selected for each round or getting the job offer.

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Speaker 1: It seems like, though I'm sorry to interrupt you, just

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Speaker 1: thinking as you say that, that picking a coach seems

1373
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 1: to be one of the most subjective things you could

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Speaker 1: try to do for hiring. Like my idea of what

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01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 1: a good head coaches might be completely different than what

1376
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 1: Deuces is and entirely different than what Pauls is. So

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Speaker 1: how do you quantify how do you quantify what determines

1378
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 1: the qualifications for applying for a head coach perfect. Don't

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01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 1: you think that every company thinks they're CEO should be specific,

1380
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 1: or their CFO or their directors. Everyone has a different

1381
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 1: view on what makes a good a person a good

1382
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 1: candidate for a position. So don't make it league wide.

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01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 1: Make every team have to publish what they're looking for

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01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 1: in a candidate, because what we've got now is a

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01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 1: system where oh you know what, when you see it,

1386
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 1: it allows them to hire a thirty year old guy.

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01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 1: So there's only one thing. So like if Robert Kraft

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01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 1: says I'm looking for X, Y and Z, he can

1389
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 1: never hire anything but X, Y and Z. Well, okay,

1390
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 1: so I just stop. This is dumb. I the guy's

1391
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 1: had five minutes. That's dumb. This is this is This

1392
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:44,679
Speaker 1: is why every company is very specific in the job

1393
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 1: requirements that they put out. So Bobcraft doesn't have to

1394
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 1: say he asked. He could. He could put sort of

1395
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 1: like maybe lower standards, but there should be some standard

1396
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 1: for a head coach for training because that's the only

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01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:57,680
Speaker 1: way that we can tell if there's some sort of

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01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 1: um disparity. And it may sound like it shouldn't happen,

1399
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 1: but that's what every single employer does in the US,

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01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 1: they say, this is what we're looking for. If you

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01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 1: have a college degree, if you have five years of

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01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:11,120
Speaker 1: coding experience, if you have this or that, you are

1403
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 1: elible for this job. So they can determine if people

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01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 1: apply who are not qualified for the job. It doesn't

1405
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 1: matter who. It doesn't matter. They're not a part of

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01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 1: sort of the discrimination aspect of it, because it doesn't matter.

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01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 1: You never have to hire someone that's not qualified what

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01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 1: the NFL wants to Sometimes you do specific people. Yeah,

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01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:31,719
Speaker 1: well I see your point. Thanks for the call, Parker.

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Speaker 1: It just first of all, but I'm just gonna say

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01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 1: one sentence and then you guys can talk about whatever

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01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 1: on that call. Please, can we just stop confusing real

1413
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 1: life with sports. It's not the same. The CEO of

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01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 1: a company is not the same as a head coach.

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01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 1: I know, the head coach is the CEO of the

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01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:50,680
Speaker 1: football team. He doesn't do what a CEO of a

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01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 1: fortune five hundred company does. It's not the same. Like

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01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 1: does whole make it all public? It's silly. Yeah. When

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01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 1: he was saying that, the I was thinking about Mayo,

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01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 1: you know, and especially how the Patriots do things here

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01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 1: where you know, he doesn't He's not going to check

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01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 1: any of those of those experienced boxes that NFL teams

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01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 1: have because technically he's an inside linebackers coach who's been

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01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 1: coaching for three years. So I mean, so should he

1425
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:19,880
Speaker 1: not be allowed a right? That's the point. I mean, like,

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01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's it's you want to see

1427
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 1: him get the opportunity, but you don't want to see

1428
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:26,840
Speaker 1: it to just to check a box on the Rooney rule. Um.

1429
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 1: But I mean I do think that at the core

1430
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 1: of it, though, is is transparency. I don't know if

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01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 1: laid out with all the hr you know, dynamics that

1432
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 1: that go on in corporate America, but um, I think

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01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 1: there does need to be, you know, some degree at

1434
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 1: transparency with the NFL. I mean I think they do

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01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:47,040
Speaker 1: what they want. They transparency. Like when I, you know,

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01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:52,599
Speaker 1: went for a job, you know, at the Boston Herald

1437
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 1: and I didn't get it. Was there transparency in that?

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01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 1: Did everybody get to see it? No? Did I did?

1439
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 1: I know? Did I get to see it? No? Like

1440
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 1: I was told you got the job or no, you

1441
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 1: didn't get the job. Like, yeah, It's it's not like,

1442
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I know everybody wants everything to be perfect.

1443
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:14,280
Speaker 1: It's not general law, it's life is hard. Like a

1444
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:16,880
Speaker 1: lot of us have had to make different choices and

1445
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 1: do without different things. Like you're not owed anything. That's

1446
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 1: the problem is everybody just wants it, like because because

1447
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:30,680
Speaker 1: I deserve it. Like there's a lot of guys that

1448
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 1: deserve it. A lot of people and a lot of

1449
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,840
Speaker 1: different walks of life deserve more than they get. Um,

1450
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 1: you know, I'll use teachers as a as a great example,

1451
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 1: Like is there a more noble profession than teachers? You

1452
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 1: don't think they deserve more than they get. Of course

1453
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 1: they do. It's not the way it works. I mean,

1454
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 1: I mean it's unfortunate. But I mean there's a lot

1455
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:55,679
Speaker 1: of inequities in life, and they're not all just about race.

1456
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of inequity race, no doubt, gender, gender,

1457
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:05,040
Speaker 1: I mean there's there's a lot. You know, you don't

1458
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:07,680
Speaker 1: think there's tons of examples of kids that don't have

1459
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 1: Harvard educations that are far more brilliant than the guy

1460
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 1: from Harvard who gets the job. This I mean, white guy,

1461
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:19,400
Speaker 1: white guy. This guy went to Harvard, this guy went

1462
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 1: to Bridgewater State who's getting the job. Doesn't mean he's

1463
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 1: more qualified. I mean, it's life. It happens. It happens,

1464
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 1: it's it doesn't make it right. But I mean, you

1465
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 1: can't just fix it by saying, oh, we're gonna go transparency,

1466
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 1: like everybody's gonna know, Like, that's not gonna that's not

1467
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 1: gonna fix it. Like legislating morality, it's it's almost impossible

1468
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 1: to do exactly. That's a great, great phrase, legislating morality. Yeah. Uh.

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Speaker 1: One other news item that I forgot to bring up

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Speaker 1: at the top of the show, which was something League

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Speaker 1: Newsworthy that came across since our last show. The Washington

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01:12:56,760 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 1: football team is no longer the football team. Man, what

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01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 1: do we think of the Commanders? I don't hate it.

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01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know well, and and that's how

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01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 1: I feel. And I think that's not a good sign.

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01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess they just picked the milk toast. Like,

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01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:12,479
Speaker 1: no one is gonna get bothered, no one's gonna get excited.

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01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 1: It's just the what do they command I don't know. Well,

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01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny. I the name I had in

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01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 1: my head from the beginning was the Washington Presidents and

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01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:23,640
Speaker 1: the Commanders is kind of a short form of that

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01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 1: commander in chief kind of thing, you know. I'm sure

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01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:28,640
Speaker 1: that's what the thought was. Um, And I kind of

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01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:31,840
Speaker 1: like they have a logo that's on the one of

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01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 1: the jerseys, which is like two stripes underneath like a

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01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 1: row of three stars, and I was like, oh, that

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01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:41,679
Speaker 1: would have been good on the helmet, Like the helmet

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01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 1: is basically just a W like last year, the last

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Speaker 1: couple of years they just had like the numbers. Yeah right, um,

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01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 1: and they would have the number on the helmet. I

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01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 1: think they're taking away the number, or at least one

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01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:53,759
Speaker 1: of the versions they I think they have two different

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01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 1: helmets from pictures that the black alternate, right, kind of

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01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:01,639
Speaker 1: like a self Navy seal, Um, like yeah, special ops

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01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:03,680
Speaker 1: kind of looking thing, which is it's it's actually kind

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01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 1: of cool. It's grown on me. My original thought was

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01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 1: black has nothing to do with their color scheme, uh

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01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 1: in the history of But I hate when teams do that.

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01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 1: When they tried to, like the like the forty nine

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01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:17,360
Speaker 1: ers tried to have black uniforms for a while. It

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01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 1: doesn't work, um, especially when when when the Raiders were

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01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 1: up in that area, it's like, oh, you're trying to

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01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 1: compete with the Raiders now like knock it off. Um.

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01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:28,000
Speaker 1: But the but the more I saw the pictures, the

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01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 1: more like that. And it was monochrome. It was like

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01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 1: black shirrup, black pants, black socks, like the whole thing. Um,

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01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 1: but it's started thinking, oh, it's more militaristic like special

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01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 1: ops kind of like I get it. I can kind

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01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 1: of see that. Yeah. Um. And and the name. I

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01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:45,599
Speaker 1: don't mind the name at all. We we actually are.

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01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 1: Our guy Matisse, who's one of our our helping hands

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01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 1: with the web was looking up us fans submitted logos

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01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 1: and names that that the The Washington was considering, and

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01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 1: one of them was the Owls. Did you see that logo? Fantastic?

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01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 1: Like that would have been a great a great logo,

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01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 1: great name. It would have worked fine. But I'm okay

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01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 1: with the commanders. I'm okay with it, like it don't

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01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:08,639
Speaker 1: love it. I know that's fine. It's fine at least

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01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 1: like the Owls. You've got people that that's terrible, and

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01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 1: then you have people like it's pretty cool. Right. I

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01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:15,160
Speaker 1: don't know, it just it seems like this is kind

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01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:16,680
Speaker 1: of what I thought they were going to go with,

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01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,559
Speaker 1: like an animal mascot, because I was thinking, like, what

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01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:23,599
Speaker 1: could they possibly find offensive about an animal? About an animal?

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01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:26,719
Speaker 1: They could find something the Lions, Tigers, they're too big.

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01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 1: Uh Well, I mean, I don't know, but I think

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01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 1: Commanders does a good job of sort of incorporating the area,

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01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 1: you know, the teams they represent, you know, yeah, kind

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01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 1: of like the Utah Jazz, La Lakers, Memphis Grizzlies, a

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01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 1: lot of Grizzly Bears walking around Memphis, Lanka very much.

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01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 1: I couldn't even say about giggling, but I liked it.

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01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:54,800
Speaker 1: We kind of came down on the side of it

1533
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:59,680
Speaker 1: felt like a team that should be playing Gotham. It's

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01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 1: the generic Batman's team in a movie. I don't want

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01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 1: any given Sunday the Sharks and why was why was

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01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:09,600
Speaker 1: LT's name Shark in that too? That always threw me

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01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 1: that they called him shark, but they were on the

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01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:13,560
Speaker 1: Sharks that ever bother you. That's that's a story for

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01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:16,240
Speaker 1: another time. I'm just glad I saw the movie. I'm

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01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:18,439
Speaker 1: just glad they didn't have something singular they have like

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01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 1: a plural. It's not like, man, it's not the red Ye.

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01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:25,599
Speaker 1: Maybe he was like rattling off all the reasons he

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01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 1: liked it. That was one of those he said plural, Yeah,

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01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:33,280
Speaker 1: it was plurals at the end, right, like the Washington

1545
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:39,960
Speaker 1: gridlock just had like a highways touchdown as a gridlock glocker.

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01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 1: Does that mean what? Huh? He's in gridlock? Patton, South

1547
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:47,240
Speaker 1: Carolina is a first time emailer. Should we be concerned

1548
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 1: about all the jaw about Josh leaving and the timing

1549
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 1: of it is it's some sort of a referendum on

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01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 1: how he feels about mac Jones's future. I get it's

1551
01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 1: an ideal situation for him. Was Ziegler going with him,

1552
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 1: but the Raiders just seemed like a weird place for

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01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 1: him to land. Thanks guys. Um. I mean, I'm sure

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01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:05,559
Speaker 1: if you want to read it into that he hated

1555
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:07,679
Speaker 1: to mac Jones that couldn't get away fast enough. Sure,

1556
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 1: but I mean, I think this was an opportunity to

1557
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:12,400
Speaker 1: work with a veteran quarterback who had been established a

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01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 1: little bit, you know, so it's in place he's not

1559
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 1: gonna have to do the same heavy lift that he

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01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:18,200
Speaker 1: did this year, probably where he was, you know, doing

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01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:20,280
Speaker 1: a lot of hand holding walking him through just the

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01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:23,320
Speaker 1: process of being an NFL quarterback. M But I think

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01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 1: there were a lot of different factors that made this appealing.

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01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:29,680
Speaker 1: I see, like I said on Tuesday show, I can

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01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 1: see why he went there and what was appealing to

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01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:33,439
Speaker 1: him about there, And I didn't I didn't see it

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01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 1: as a referendum on Mac. But that said, I think

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01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 1: now that he's gone and bo Heart agree's gone, that

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01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 1: you know they're they're going to have to institute some

1570
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 1: plans on both sides of the ball to keep the

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01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:44,639
Speaker 1: structure and you know allow I mean, I know Bill

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01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 1: likes having a small staff and he likes being able to,

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01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:49,840
Speaker 1: you know, have his message not get lost in the

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01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:52,599
Speaker 1: telephone game. Um, but it seems like that that kind

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01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:54,600
Speaker 1: of was happening a little bit maybe with especially on

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01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 1: the defensive ironic, given the events of the weekend. Right,

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01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:00,560
Speaker 1: So you know, I think that that that's than really is.

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01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,519
Speaker 1: As as mentioned a couple times on this show as

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01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:05,720
Speaker 1: well already, just how do you how do you reconstitute

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01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 1: the coaching staff and make sure that that there's one

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01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 1: voice at the top and he's able to not get

1582
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 1: overwhelmed trying to do too much? Does he? It's interesting. Yeah,

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01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 1: I'm with Mike. I think you could definitely make an

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01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:20,640
Speaker 1: argument that, well, Josh doesn't think a whole lot of

1585
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:22,720
Speaker 1: mac Jones. You could, you could make an argument for that.

1586
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 1: I can't tell you you're wrong. I don't look at

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01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 1: it that way at all. Really, I think he just

1588
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:30,559
Speaker 1: looked at it as this. In my opinion, I said

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01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 1: this on Tuesday. This is the first chance he had

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01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 1: to get a job since the Colts. Yeah, and I

1591
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 1: think he got this chance because of Dave Ziegler, a

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01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 1: guy that he has a good relationship with. You know, uh,

1593
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 1: they've been together for a while. So you think that

1594
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 1: I think that's why he took it. Well, do you

1595
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:50,639
Speaker 1: think it's more a reflection on how the Raiders felt

1596
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 1: about Ziggler, That they were like that first, right, and

1597
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:55,640
Speaker 1: that Ziegler was like, if you've got to hire me,

1598
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 1: I got to pick my guy, ye, And they were like, okay,

1599
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:00,280
Speaker 1: we like you that much, we'll do it. Yeah. Yeah.

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01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:03,160
Speaker 1: And I don't think that they don't like Josh. But

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01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:06,920
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think that Josh was with the number

1602
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:09,479
Speaker 1: one target on their radar. I think Ziegler was. And

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01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 1: then they were like, Ziegler was like, yeah, I mean

1604
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 1: I think Josh would be a perfect fit for what

1605
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 1: I want to do, and they were like, okay, yeah,

1606
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:17,479
Speaker 1: let's do it. Like not that they didn't want to

1607
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 1: have Josh, but I think that the attraction was Ziegler. First,

1608
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:25,599
Speaker 1: you were to lunch, didn't you, Paul? I didna dear word,

1609
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 1: what's up with that? I saw the look on Matt's face.

1610
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:29,760
Speaker 1: I knew that was did you give him one of these?

1611
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 1: He was right a little bit. What happened? I mean,

1612
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 1: they literally too number two in the second race. Even

1613
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 1: you's gonna understand that it happens every day. They should

1614
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:41,439
Speaker 1: have a driver room standby ready for the PU delivery

1615
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 1: going to Jilts Stadium. Uh. Well, while we continue to

1616
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 1: wait for Paul's lunch, Todd is in New York, holding

1617
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:50,479
Speaker 1: patiently on the ticket hot line. Hello Toddy, I'm actually

1618
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:54,599
Speaker 1: I'm actually down here in Greenville. But oh anyway, good job,

1619
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 1: Wow new York North he's Todd in North Carolina. You

1620
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:01,160
Speaker 1: had him in New York. You get it. It's American.

1621
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:03,599
Speaker 1: It's all the same to us. Canadians. Don't worry about it.

1622
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:06,599
Speaker 1: Who not where? I say, we don't know any Todds

1623
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 1: from New York. Who is this? It's Eric Anyway. I

1624
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:15,120
Speaker 1: really liked your discussion about they're having to be somebody

1625
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:18,720
Speaker 1: nominated as the you know, the the offensive coordinator and

1626
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. When you guys took the discussion when I

1627
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 1: brought it up, it was really I think there might

1628
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:26,600
Speaker 1: have been a lack last year of that direction of

1629
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:28,599
Speaker 1: having that. There might have been too many messages and

1630
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 1: you know, my friends on the REV say there's too

1631
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 1: many Chiefs and not enough Indians, right, and you know,

1632
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 1: if that keeps going, that could be a problem for

1633
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 1: the development of Max. So I got a question for

1634
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:42,280
Speaker 1: each of you, who would you want to put in

1635
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 1: of all the people available internally externally as the OC

1636
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:48,559
Speaker 1: and the DC. And that's thanks guys, all right, thanks

1637
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 1: to I Just I'll go simple, Bill O'Brien, j Rob

1638
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,400
Speaker 1: Mayo like that, you know, promote your Rob Mayou to

1639
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. And I don't think they're going to go

1640
01:20:57,320 --> 01:20:59,800
Speaker 1: out and bring somebody in, but I like that. I

1641
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:02,640
Speaker 1: would say Bill O'Brien for sure for offensive coordinator. If

1642
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 1: would just anybody Brian Flores, I'll take him back a

1643
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 1: defensive yeah, to take him for sure offensively. I mean,

1644
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what any of these younger guys like

1645
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 1: that whose names have come up, like Nick Kaylee or

1646
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 1: Nick Lombardi or like, I really don't know how good

1647
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:24,120
Speaker 1: a coordinator they'd be, And obviously you don't know that

1648
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 1: until the guy gets in the job and has the experience.

1649
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 1: We didn't know how good a coordinator Josh was going

1650
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:29,840
Speaker 1: to be when he first took over back in what

1651
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:33,040
Speaker 1: when was that, like oh four or five five, right

1652
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:37,760
Speaker 1: until the guy actually does it, you know. But so

1653
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:39,800
Speaker 1: it'd be hard to for me to like root for

1654
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:42,360
Speaker 1: an internal candidate who I don't know has that Like

1655
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:45,839
Speaker 1: at least in Mayo's case, I knew him as a player.

1656
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 1: We kind of know like what his thinking is, uh

1657
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 1: Flores when he had the job here before it had

1658
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 1: that famous springtime press availability where he said he wanted

1659
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:56,840
Speaker 1: to be more aggressive and they ended up being more

1660
01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:59,240
Speaker 1: aggressive on the field, and so we kind of knew

1661
01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:03,519
Speaker 1: like that was his imprint on this. Like I don't

1662
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:05,599
Speaker 1: know what anybody else said, you know, would want to do.

1663
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:08,040
Speaker 1: I just I guess I would lean towards the side.

1664
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:10,599
Speaker 1: I think it'd be more probable that somebody like Mick

1665
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 1: Lombardi would be would get the Josh promotion without the title.

1666
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:17,920
Speaker 1: Then it would be I don't know the forty nine

1667
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:22,720
Speaker 1: ers offense, you know, random dude. The only way some

1668
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 1: random dude from another team comes in is if the

1669
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 1: said random dude has a connection to Belichick, like Adam Gates. Yeah, like,

1670
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 1: and we talked about that, you know, had some some

1671
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 1: crossover with He was on Josh's staff in Denver. He

1672
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:38,800
Speaker 1: did spend time with Nick Saban both at Michigan State

1673
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:42,559
Speaker 1: and LSU. He was with Dabelenn McDaniels at Michigan State

1674
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:48,559
Speaker 1: as yeah, as a young coaching assistant UM, and then

1675
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:52,320
Speaker 1: he went with Saban to LSU, and then he eventually

1676
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:54,960
Speaker 1: went to the NFL. He was on Josh's staff. So

1677
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 1: that's the only way I can see an outside guy

1678
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:01,880
Speaker 1: someone with a specific that's probably connection small list, but

1679
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:03,760
Speaker 1: you know, unfortunately you don't really know what that is,

1680
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 1: right right. That's why I said, I'm like, it's probably

1681
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 1: the guys from the outside or guys that are either

1682
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 1: young like Bowhart degree this year, you know, or if

1683
01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:16,800
Speaker 1: they're a little bit older, like Bill O'Brien was a

1684
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:20,160
Speaker 1: little bit older. He was sort of brought in to

1685
01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 1: sort of learn the offense for a year or two

1686
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 1: with the idea that hey, Josh is probably going at

1687
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:26,720
Speaker 1: kind of Dean Peace did that too a little bit,

1688
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:29,800
Speaker 1: and he had correct me. Hadn't he coordinated at the

1689
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:33,799
Speaker 1: college level before he got Hilio? Yeah? But he actually

1690
01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:35,880
Speaker 1: when he came on the staff, he was actually an

1691
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 1: offensive assistant, right, But I mean he had a name, right,

1692
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:42,840
Speaker 1: he was much higher than sure the traditional offensive but

1693
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:47,400
Speaker 1: he had at least had some experience in a coordinator's

1694
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 1: title and running an offense. I think he was at

1695
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:52,519
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech. Yeah, and that that's how we got George

1696
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:58,680
Speaker 1: George go right by the way, another guy that you

1697
01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 1: know potentially you know, I mean what you who was

1698
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:05,679
Speaker 1: this or somewhere or something probably I don't know, somewhere

1699
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:12,599
Speaker 1: that was different Cleveland. But yes, God has been bouncing.

1700
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:16,679
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just I would take Billy. I hope

1701
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:19,679
Speaker 1: it's not status quo on the defensive side of the ball.

1702
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:23,040
Speaker 1: I just think that's a that's a bad Yeah, I agree,

1703
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 1: totally bad. Look going forward, how how things kind of ended.

1704
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:29,639
Speaker 1: I would rather it be Steve Belichick promoted to defense,

1705
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 1: somebodys y somebody take the title and take the responsibility.

1706
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:37,719
Speaker 1: I want to know who to blame yes, I don't

1707
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:40,599
Speaker 1: want to credit even and you know obviously I'm being

1708
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 1: you know, funny. I don't want this. Bill took it

1709
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:46,280
Speaker 1: over when it went well. Yeah, and he gave up

1710
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:49,120
Speaker 1: the responsibilities both before and after he had taken it

1711
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 1: back over after the Indian Buffalo games. If you want

1712
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 1: to tell me, he said, the rest of the year.

1713
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 1: You go right ahead, if you if you want to trumpet,

1714
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 1: Bill's brilliant. He took it over after the Dallas game

1715
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 1: and they took off. I can I can buy that,

1716
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 1: but you can't then wash your hands of it when

1717
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:10,599
Speaker 1: he gave it up. Yeah, he gave it up when

1718
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:13,800
Speaker 1: it went south, right, and he can't do it right now. Yeah,

1719
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna fix it. I told you he was

1720
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:17,360
Speaker 1: up to you, guys. Good about this playoff game. I

1721
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:18,760
Speaker 1: think you guys got that because you can make an

1722
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:21,960
Speaker 1: argument coming out of the bye week. Okay, this is

1723
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 1: what we did the last seven weeks, guys, we got this. Now,

1724
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna do. Okay, all right, you

1725
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:29,240
Speaker 1: got it, you got it right, right, and then go

1726
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 1: get an indie. Yeah, and he just says, let's try

1727
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:34,720
Speaker 1: it again next week. See what happens, right, back, run

1728
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:38,320
Speaker 1: it back at some point. At some point it Bill

1729
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 1: wasn't happy with the way things were going. When he

1730
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:43,080
Speaker 1: quote unquote gave it back. He would have stepped in

1731
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:45,320
Speaker 1: before they went one, and after the Indiana game, after

1732
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:49,360
Speaker 1: the Buffalo game in Miami, he took it back and

1733
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:50,880
Speaker 1: then he thought he had a fix to gain right.

1734
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 1: Good email from Phelippe in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, Guys,

1735
01:25:57,120 --> 01:26:00,080
Speaker 1: does the departure of Josh change in any way the

1736
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:04,240
Speaker 1: emphasis defensive or offensive on the talent acquisition, front draft

1737
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:07,920
Speaker 1: and free agency? Also, congrats to Giselle's husband for the

1738
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:11,439
Speaker 1: incredible career. Um, I don't think so. I don't think

1739
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:14,640
Speaker 1: it terms of positions. There might be individual players that

1740
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 1: Josh than somebody else would, but yeah, I don't. I

1741
01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:20,840
Speaker 1: don't think it'll be a noticeable Yeah. I think if

1742
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:23,960
Speaker 1: they felt like wide receiver was a major need heading

1743
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:26,040
Speaker 1: into the draft, I don't think that's changed because Josh

1744
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 1: has gone right and some new guy says no, no,

1745
01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:30,000
Speaker 1: no, no no, I got plenty here. Yeah. I would be

1746
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:33,320
Speaker 1: curious how much input the coaches have, you know, during

1747
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:36,080
Speaker 1: the staffing, during during the scouting process. You know, what

1748
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:38,719
Speaker 1: is that like? How much do they get to review

1749
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:40,400
Speaker 1: some of the stuff. So I'm watching a little the

1750
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl stuff going down. Um and of course as

1751
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:47,000
Speaker 1: soon as I say that, they went to a commercial

1752
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:50,519
Speaker 1: and NFL network, but they're in this indoor facility. It

1753
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:53,800
Speaker 1: was the South Alabama which looks you know, reasonably reasonably

1754
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 1: nice South Alabama. Yeah, they got a full like indoor right.

1755
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 1: Was that invested football is astounding? Was that where um speak,

1756
01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:11,240
Speaker 1: Welcolm Butler played? No? Who went to I believe West

1757
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 1: Alabama or West Alabama wasn't played South Alabam. Wasn't there

1758
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 1: a player that played at South Alabama. I'm getting the

1759
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:18,760
Speaker 1: nod from from Teas and I don't know if you

1760
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 1: nobody he's a budding draft guru. Nick isn't a draft

1761
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:23,800
Speaker 1: Nick a draft Nick isn't what he called him. I

1762
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:26,720
Speaker 1: called him a guru. Who was the South Alabama cornerback?

1763
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:30,840
Speaker 1: Somebody from South Albama. I think it was, uh, you

1764
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:34,200
Speaker 1: get it right in South Alabama? Forget one. No, No,

1765
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:36,599
Speaker 1: don't know. Hey, hey, well you guys are looking out.

1766
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:38,880
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm gonna use this opportunity to mention that where

1767
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 1: we got some Patriots unfiltered sweatshirts in the works, so

1768
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:46,320
Speaker 1: perhaps for our potentially Yes, yes, West Alabama is where Butler,

1769
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 1: where Butler went? Okay, I thought there was. I thought

1770
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:52,599
Speaker 1: there was some other player that was South Alabama high

1771
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:56,680
Speaker 1: profile one too, cornerbacks, not high profile enough, I mean

1772
01:27:57,200 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 1: draft draftwise, draftwise, I thought, I who would maybe started

1773
01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 1: at Florida and left and ended up there. Do you

1774
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:05,320
Speaker 1: remember everything about this Yes? And I can't remember his name.

1775
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:08,200
Speaker 1: I having troubled names. I couldn't remember Justin Herbert earlier. Today.

1776
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:11,400
Speaker 1: I do know this name because he calls all the time,

1777
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 1: cousin Patty an Agawam, Hello Patty? What is a gentleman?

1778
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:21,240
Speaker 1: Hello Patty? You tell us? Well? Um, I had a question,

1779
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:24,280
Speaker 1: but before I get to the question, I didn't really

1780
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:28,240
Speaker 1: speak my piece on Tom Brady and I hope you

1781
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:29,840
Speaker 1: give me a little bit of a vine, but I'll

1782
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:34,680
Speaker 1: try and make it quick. Um. To me, he is

1783
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:39,599
Speaker 1: the quintessential, the best, the greatest, not just NFL player

1784
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:42,400
Speaker 1: that ever walked on earth, but me he's the greatest athlete,

1785
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:45,080
Speaker 1: not in the athletic sense, but just just in the

1786
01:28:45,160 --> 01:28:48,720
Speaker 1: fact that what he's what he did for this, for

1787
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:52,599
Speaker 1: this team, for this organization. Um, I'll give you, I'll

1788
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:57,240
Speaker 1: tell you a funny story. And I'm kind of like

1789
01:28:57,640 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 1: aligned with Paul where I will a big Bloodstow guy.

1790
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:06,599
Speaker 1: You know I got I got into I got into

1791
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:09,439
Speaker 1: this team in the nineteen nineties, their most the worst,

1792
01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:13,200
Speaker 1: most abysmal year. And I remember like back then, like

1793
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:15,479
Speaker 1: when they took Leedstow and they got Parsels in, there

1794
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:17,640
Speaker 1: was like there was hope, like the first time in

1795
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 1: my Patriots fandom. And before that Super Bowl and Tuesday

1796
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:25,559
Speaker 1: before Super Bowl thirty six, I was actually pissed off

1797
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:28,000
Speaker 1: when they named Tom Brady the starter and I wasn't

1798
01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:31,320
Speaker 1: really a believer in the guy until that final drive.

1799
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:34,200
Speaker 1: And after that, I was like, well, crap, they can't

1800
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 1: I know they yes, Um, I know they just signed

1801
01:29:39,080 --> 01:29:41,960
Speaker 1: Drew to this big contract, but we can't give up

1802
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:43,559
Speaker 1: on this. We can't like get rid of the Super

1803
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:48,840
Speaker 1: Bowl MBT. But I mean, it's just been a it

1804
01:29:48,920 --> 01:29:51,280
Speaker 1: was a pleasure watching what the guy did, even in Tampa,

1805
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:54,920
Speaker 1: Like not that like I was rooting for him in Tampa,

1806
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:58,320
Speaker 1: but just just to see him transform that team, to

1807
01:29:58,439 --> 01:30:02,520
Speaker 1: transform this team. Um, all the fun, all the memories,

1808
01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:05,600
Speaker 1: it was just great. Um. And that's all I got

1809
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:07,760
Speaker 1: to say about that. And my question is, I don't

1810
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:10,800
Speaker 1: know if you guys noticed, and I apologize if he

1811
01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:14,720
Speaker 1: already brought this stuff, but losing Ziegler and McDaniels, do

1812
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:16,760
Speaker 1: you know if we if we're going to get compensatory

1813
01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:19,120
Speaker 1: picks for that or is that just strictly for players

1814
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:23,080
Speaker 1: not coaches? No, yeah, they have I mean in order

1815
01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:26,439
Speaker 1: to be eligible for that, it has to be minority coaches, correct,

1816
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:29,720
Speaker 1: unless a guy is like under contract and going to

1817
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:33,400
Speaker 1: the same job, so now you're trading him. Yeah. You know,

1818
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:36,760
Speaker 1: like if if Belichick would decide, like I'm going to

1819
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:40,479
Speaker 1: go coach the Giants, like the Patriots would be doing

1820
01:30:40,479 --> 01:30:42,840
Speaker 1: for the effort, right, So so I think the answer

1821
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:46,040
Speaker 1: is no, the Patriots won't be getting anything for Ziegler,

1822
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:48,759
Speaker 1: not for Ziegler or McDonald and I don't think generally

1823
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:52,640
Speaker 1: they're getting any any compics, right did last year? Well

1824
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:55,160
Speaker 1: that's that's out right. Hasn't that already been determined what

1825
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:57,760
Speaker 1: teams are getting what? Or is that not? I think

1826
01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:01,880
Speaker 1: that's been speculated. The league hasn't put anything definitive out Yeah,

1827
01:31:03,240 --> 01:31:06,240
Speaker 1: all right, Patty, all right, guys, thanks for the call.

1828
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:10,479
Speaker 1: Uh go back to back calls here, Melvin's in Tennessee.

1829
01:31:10,479 --> 01:31:15,800
Speaker 1: What's up, Y'all's going on? You? Baby? Hey? I get

1830
01:31:16,439 --> 01:31:22,320
Speaker 1: um simple question. Who are the best three rd receiver

1831
01:31:22,479 --> 01:31:25,519
Speaker 1: chords in the NFL? Do you think right now? You

1832
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:29,400
Speaker 1: got to Dallas? You got you know, I would certainly

1833
01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:31,519
Speaker 1: put Cincinnati in that mix. I would put the Rams

1834
01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:35,120
Speaker 1: in that mix. Ye, the Bills, the Bills in that mix. Uh,

1835
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:39,280
Speaker 1: you're you're right about Dallas, Melvin. If Dallas, what about

1836
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:46,280
Speaker 1: books where when healthy? The Bucks would be in that mix? Yeah,

1837
01:31:44,439 --> 01:31:47,920
Speaker 1: m hm. My point of it was I thought that

1838
01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:51,720
Speaker 1: Dallas probably had the best to start the season. I

1839
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:53,920
Speaker 1: feel like that's trending a little bit. Of course, the

1840
01:31:54,040 --> 01:31:57,400
Speaker 1: Rams look pretty good, but I don't know, it's hard

1841
01:31:57,439 --> 01:32:00,559
Speaker 1: to tell because if if the Bengals do keep their

1842
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:02,639
Speaker 1: little guys, I get they got a one, two three

1843
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:04,600
Speaker 1: punch that can hurt you too, because like when I

1844
01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:07,559
Speaker 1: was them playing a well bit, you know, you know,

1845
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:09,439
Speaker 1: any one of them can get the ball, and anyone

1846
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:11,280
Speaker 1: any one of them could be kind of dangerous. So

1847
01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:13,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just an interesting thing to see

1848
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:17,400
Speaker 1: all those cores and how that transitioning and feels like

1849
01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:19,760
Speaker 1: all the teams that's left right now, and even the

1850
01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:22,559
Speaker 1: last two years, I'll have pretty strong receivers cores. So

1851
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:26,080
Speaker 1: we're far from that. But whatever it is, what it is.

1852
01:32:26,120 --> 01:32:27,920
Speaker 1: So but it was just interesting to point out and

1853
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:30,560
Speaker 1: see what child about that the best three we were. Yeah,

1854
01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:32,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I think what stood out to me too

1855
01:32:32,360 --> 01:32:34,800
Speaker 1: in this in this playoff is just that you need

1856
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:37,040
Speaker 1: two guys. Thanks, I need at least two guys. But

1857
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:40,559
Speaker 1: you need two guys. You need one dynamic receiver who

1858
01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:42,240
Speaker 1: you know, is a problem that you can move around,

1859
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:44,120
Speaker 1: and you need somebody who can kind of control the

1860
01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:46,559
Speaker 1: middle of the field, whether it's a slot receiver, whether

1861
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:48,840
Speaker 1: it's a tight end. But I think you're you're kind

1862
01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:51,479
Speaker 1: of dead in the water as an offense if you

1863
01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:53,360
Speaker 1: don't have those two pieces. And I think that's why

1864
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:56,320
Speaker 1: at least two you talk about, you know what the

1865
01:32:56,320 --> 01:32:59,400
Speaker 1: Patriots need this year, and if you get that kind

1866
01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:03,679
Speaker 1: of interior, your explosive guy, I think he makes everybody better.

1867
01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:05,400
Speaker 1: And I think Hunter Henry gets better, and I think

1868
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:08,439
Speaker 1: Nelson Agilore, you know, has a little bit less attention

1869
01:33:08,479 --> 01:33:11,439
Speaker 1: on the back end. Um. So you know, I don't

1870
01:33:11,439 --> 01:33:13,920
Speaker 1: think they're that far away, but I definitely think they

1871
01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:17,840
Speaker 1: need a guy because I like the tight ends. I

1872
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:19,679
Speaker 1: like the tight ends. I think with the right pieces,

1873
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:22,280
Speaker 1: the tight ends are fine and you can win with them.

1874
01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:25,519
Speaker 1: And you've got complimentary pieces too, like Born and Agilore

1875
01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:27,439
Speaker 1: and Myers that I think they would all be better

1876
01:33:27,479 --> 01:33:30,920
Speaker 1: too if you just had that one dynamic receiver piece

1877
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:33,880
Speaker 1: that you could move around split matchups. I just, you know,

1878
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:36,200
Speaker 1: I don't think it can be a strictly perimeter guy.

1879
01:33:36,240 --> 01:33:38,840
Speaker 1: It needs to be a matchup piece, and just that

1880
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:40,320
Speaker 1: that's what sticks out to me every one of these

1881
01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:44,120
Speaker 1: games you watch, whether it's Stefan Diggs, Tyreek Hill, every team,

1882
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01:45:43,400 --> 01:45:46,280
Speaker 1: ninety one ninety two yeah, two, yeah. I just think

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01:45:46,360 --> 01:45:51,400
Speaker 1: that drew Bled So it was just monumental than right.

2094
01:45:51,439 --> 01:45:53,040
Speaker 1: I don't think we needed to tank at that point,

2095
01:45:53,400 --> 01:45:55,960
Speaker 1: just weren't good. I witnessed some of the tanking first hand,

2096
01:45:55,960 --> 01:45:58,320
Speaker 1: and it was pretty pretty tanking in those middle benches.

2097
01:45:58,560 --> 01:46:01,000
Speaker 1: But uh, but yeah, what a a remarkable season. Just

2098
01:46:01,400 --> 01:46:04,040
Speaker 1: Robert so hard to replace. I mean that's what we

2099
01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:06,960
Speaker 1: talked about in the final episode of just There's just

2100
01:46:07,040 --> 01:46:09,320
Speaker 1: so much that happened this season. It'll never that'll never

2101
01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:13,000
Speaker 1: be replicated. Yeah, the Super Bowls had as many dramatic

2102
01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:16,120
Speaker 1: twists and turns and unexpected things happen as the two

2103
01:46:16,120 --> 01:46:18,559
Speaker 1: thousand and one season. It's just if you haven't yet

2104
01:46:18,640 --> 01:46:22,120
Speaker 1: done so download two thousand and one a Super Bowl

2105
01:46:22,200 --> 01:46:24,120
Speaker 1: Sound Odyssey. Thank you for getting the name right too.

2106
01:46:24,160 --> 01:46:26,800
Speaker 1: By the way, I'm not for two and one. The

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01:46:26,840 --> 01:46:29,960
Speaker 1: Super bowls. I know the English language and I use it. Well,

2108
01:46:30,680 --> 01:46:34,200
Speaker 1: uh if you yeah, I do, thank you, thank you

2109
01:46:34,320 --> 01:46:37,719
Speaker 1: very much. If wherever you get your podcasts, right yeah,

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01:46:37,720 --> 01:46:41,080
Speaker 1: it's available off and you get you get a special

2111
01:46:41,160 --> 01:46:45,439
Speaker 1: bonus seventh episode altogether up right on today being the

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01:46:45,439 --> 01:46:49,000
Speaker 1: twentieth anniversary of that dramatic win, that that is as

2113
01:46:49,040 --> 01:46:53,240
Speaker 1: excited as I have ever been for a Patriots win

2114
01:46:53,320 --> 01:46:56,000
Speaker 1: in my lifetime. Yeah. Well, and Eric sharing the story

2115
01:46:56,080 --> 01:46:58,559
Speaker 1: is a young kicker imagining himself kicking the game when

2116
01:46:58,560 --> 01:47:01,200
Speaker 1: he will go for the Patriots and then being simultaneous

2117
01:47:01,800 --> 01:47:03,840
Speaker 1: got to do it, sorry, jealous and overjoyed that it

2118
01:47:03,880 --> 01:47:06,960
Speaker 1: came down to that, and wishing I was an adamentary

2119
01:47:07,120 --> 01:47:08,640
Speaker 1: that you would have been so mad for life at

2120
01:47:08,720 --> 01:47:10,800
Speaker 1: him of just like you had the chance right there,

2121
01:47:12,720 --> 01:47:15,680
Speaker 1: should have been knew it. I would have made it.

2122
01:47:16,120 --> 01:47:18,559
Speaker 1: Maybe not the snow one, but but yeah, it's hard

2123
01:47:18,600 --> 01:47:21,040
Speaker 1: to believe twenty years ago today like that, that all

2124
01:47:21,080 --> 01:47:24,000
Speaker 1: that's happened over those two decades. And that's what's hard

2125
01:47:24,040 --> 01:47:27,320
Speaker 1: to think, is like imagining where I was as a

2126
01:47:27,360 --> 01:47:29,920
Speaker 1: person to that when Tom Brady and all that started

2127
01:47:29,960 --> 01:47:33,519
Speaker 1: and just you know, kids, marriage, all these things that jobs,

2128
01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:36,280
Speaker 1: fired over the last twenty years. It's just it's really

2129
01:47:36,320 --> 01:47:39,920
Speaker 1: been the thing that's carried us from that time to now. Yeah.

2130
01:47:40,120 --> 01:47:41,479
Speaker 1: Uh so, it was a lot of fun doing that

2131
01:47:41,560 --> 01:47:43,840
Speaker 1: last episode with you, dude, and it's a different kind

2132
01:47:43,840 --> 01:47:46,200
Speaker 1: of format than the other six. Yeah, you know, we're

2133
01:47:46,240 --> 01:47:48,880
Speaker 1: just chatting about it and casual. Keep some of the

2134
01:47:48,880 --> 01:47:54,519
Speaker 1: sounds dominated, dominated, crushed it, He crushed it. We did,

2135
01:47:54,880 --> 01:47:59,559
Speaker 1: we did all right, Dominated dominated the discussion. That's good, Joyce.

2136
01:47:59,640 --> 01:48:03,040
Speaker 1: Let me give it to my point. Shut out my

2137
01:48:03,160 --> 01:48:07,960
Speaker 1: show about Rhode Island on a stormy evening in the

2138
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:12,320
Speaker 1: seventies on a hill when the Sclavino klan. Well we're

2139
01:48:12,320 --> 01:48:15,800
Speaker 1: a little loquacious. What can you say? Podcast is good,

2140
01:48:15,880 --> 01:48:18,920
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's a great way to celebrate the anniversary.

2141
01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:20,920
Speaker 1: Do yourself a favor and download that and listen if

2142
01:48:21,120 --> 01:48:24,360
Speaker 1: you haven't already. And just the start of many, many,

2143
01:48:24,720 --> 01:48:28,720
Speaker 1: many anniversary celebrations that we're gonna do over the next

2144
01:48:28,720 --> 01:48:31,640
Speaker 1: ten years here. Yeah, hopefully, But I'm I'm excited to

2145
01:48:31,680 --> 01:48:33,479
Speaker 1: see where where this team goes from now, because it

2146
01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:36,840
Speaker 1: does feel like, after you know, Brady left, you had

2147
01:48:36,920 --> 01:48:41,080
Speaker 1: the the one year of Cam Newton and you bring

2148
01:48:41,680 --> 01:48:43,799
Speaker 1: Mac in and then you have the game against Brady

2149
01:48:43,840 --> 01:48:45,479
Speaker 1: and it sort of felt like that that that's like

2150
01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:49,400
Speaker 1: a clear yeah, line of demarcation between the Brady era

2151
01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:51,599
Speaker 1: and the new era, and now here we are into

2152
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:54,679
Speaker 1: in the next next chapter to say that it's pretty

2153
01:48:54,720 --> 01:48:57,080
Speaker 1: cool of like everywhere that Tom Brady could have gone

2154
01:48:57,080 --> 01:48:59,280
Speaker 1: and spent last two seasons like he did, end up

2155
01:48:59,280 --> 01:49:01,120
Speaker 1: somewhere yea, that he got to come back here and

2156
01:49:01,160 --> 01:49:04,120
Speaker 1: play right, which you know was was was cool and

2157
01:49:04,479 --> 01:49:09,559
Speaker 1: closer than expected. Well Al from Venice, Florida, not Italy,

2158
01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:12,840
Speaker 1: uh says, I feel like I have bookended Tom Brady's career.

2159
01:49:12,920 --> 01:49:14,559
Speaker 1: I was at the game when he took his first

2160
01:49:14,640 --> 01:49:18,400
Speaker 1: NFL snaps relieving the injured Drew Bleeds against the Jets,

2161
01:49:18,800 --> 01:49:20,760
Speaker 1: and I was at his final NFL snaps for the

2162
01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:25,560
Speaker 1: Buccaneers against the ROMs a few sundays ago. Wool just curious,

2163
01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:29,000
Speaker 1: just curious if there are any other PU listeners or

2164
01:49:29,040 --> 01:49:31,479
Speaker 1: anyone else out there that can say the same, that's

2165
01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:34,439
Speaker 1: that's pretty unique. I doubt that there are that. I'm

2166
01:49:34,439 --> 01:49:38,479
Speaker 1: gonna go on the limb say nobody sixty five plus

2167
01:49:38,520 --> 01:49:41,479
Speaker 1: thousand people possibilities, right, I'm gonna say he's the only

2168
01:49:41,479 --> 01:49:43,960
Speaker 1: one that was at the first and the first end

2169
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:47,400
Speaker 1: the last for Brady, I've got to be specific that

2170
01:49:47,400 --> 01:49:49,280
Speaker 1: it's the Jets game now, right, Yeah, Like he did

2171
01:49:49,280 --> 01:49:51,559
Speaker 1: get into a game, the Jets game, the Jets game.

2172
01:49:51,760 --> 01:49:54,320
Speaker 1: He's talking about the Jets game specifically, and that to

2173
01:49:54,400 --> 01:49:57,479
Speaker 1: me is what separates it because I think there's a

2174
01:49:57,640 --> 01:50:01,200
Speaker 1: there's a chance that you had a decent percentage of

2175
01:50:01,520 --> 01:50:06,479
Speaker 1: Patriots fans that were at the Bucks Rams game that

2176
01:50:06,640 --> 01:50:10,240
Speaker 1: just either they're down in Florida Snowbirds. I know of

2177
01:50:10,280 --> 01:50:13,800
Speaker 1: a couple of people who actually have have bought Buck

2178
01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:17,160
Speaker 1: season tickets season tickets, Um, Jim Murray talks about his

2179
01:50:17,200 --> 01:50:19,840
Speaker 1: buddy all the time who has Buck season tickets. I

2180
01:50:19,880 --> 01:50:23,160
Speaker 1: think there's a there's there's a chance that you had

2181
01:50:23,240 --> 01:50:27,639
Speaker 1: like even as many as like five hundred specific Patriot

2182
01:50:27,680 --> 01:50:30,240
Speaker 1: fans that were there. This could be Brady's last game.

2183
01:50:30,439 --> 01:50:32,679
Speaker 1: I'm going to be there, but to have been there

2184
01:50:32,800 --> 01:50:34,280
Speaker 1: for the for the first one of the first one,

2185
01:50:34,320 --> 01:50:37,080
Speaker 1: the mo Lewis game, right yeah, and he did, You're right, dude.

2186
01:50:37,160 --> 01:50:39,960
Speaker 1: His first snaps, I believe in the NFL were against

2187
01:50:40,080 --> 01:50:44,800
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving in mop up duty. Um. But everybody really thinks

2188
01:50:44,800 --> 01:50:47,920
Speaker 1: of his career. We got home from that trip and

2189
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:50,040
Speaker 1: we just to fly into Logan at the time, and

2190
01:50:50,040 --> 01:50:53,040
Speaker 1: it was Thanksgiving obviously, so I won't you know, we

2191
01:50:53,080 --> 01:50:57,880
Speaker 1: didn't do the overnight for the for the paper. You know,

2192
01:50:58,040 --> 01:50:59,680
Speaker 1: go home and if you can, you know, if you

2193
01:50:59,760 --> 01:51:04,360
Speaker 1: have salvage a little of Thanksgiving. So it was still reasonable. Yeah,

2194
01:51:04,360 --> 01:51:08,479
Speaker 1: it was reasonably early. And I remember my dad came

2195
01:51:08,520 --> 01:51:11,080
Speaker 1: and picked me up at Logan so I could get

2196
01:51:11,120 --> 01:51:13,160
Speaker 1: home faster. I don't have to worry about going back

2197
01:51:13,160 --> 01:51:17,320
Speaker 1: to Foxborough. Um. So he comes and picks me up

2198
01:51:18,000 --> 01:51:23,280
Speaker 1: and Drew is out on a bench who looked like

2199
01:51:23,320 --> 01:51:25,160
Speaker 1: he was waiting for a ride too. I don't think you.

2200
01:51:26,520 --> 01:51:29,640
Speaker 1: I opened the door to go see my well, you know,

2201
01:51:29,960 --> 01:51:32,120
Speaker 1: figure out where my father is, and he's talking to

2202
01:51:32,240 --> 01:51:38,640
Speaker 1: Drew seriously telling him. He's basically like I don't know

2203
01:51:38,680 --> 01:51:40,639
Speaker 1: exactly what he was saying, but he's basically telling him

2204
01:51:40,920 --> 01:51:43,720
Speaker 1: keep your head up, still, keep your head up. Oh man,

2205
01:51:45,720 --> 01:51:47,560
Speaker 1: I don't know your dad, but my dad talking to

2206
01:51:47,720 --> 01:51:49,880
Speaker 1: Drew Biletto like that would be nightmare fuel because I

2207
01:51:49,880 --> 01:51:53,600
Speaker 1: could only imagine the into conversations. But you know that

2208
01:51:53,680 --> 01:51:56,360
Speaker 1: he was like, this is the last place in the world.

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Speaker 1: I want to be right now talking to this day.

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01:51:58,680 --> 01:52:01,000
Speaker 1: And I remember, I remember I mentioned it to Drew

2211
01:52:01,280 --> 01:52:04,560
Speaker 1: like the next week that was your dad, can you

2212
01:52:05,080 --> 01:52:07,080
Speaker 1: can you do me a favorite? Can you thank him

2213
01:52:07,120 --> 01:52:09,080
Speaker 1: for me? That was really nice. I was like, you

2214
01:52:09,080 --> 01:52:10,840
Speaker 1: don't have to say stuff like that. I already told

2215
01:52:10,880 --> 01:52:16,599
Speaker 1: him never to do that. I love you, Drew, mean it? Uh.

2216
01:52:16,720 --> 01:52:18,559
Speaker 1: Cody in Indiana before we go back to the Ah

2217
01:52:18,560 --> 01:52:21,200
Speaker 1: take a Hotline has an interesting email. He wrote in

2218
01:52:21,560 --> 01:52:25,080
Speaker 1: earlier in the show, but replied to his own email because,

2219
01:52:25,200 --> 01:52:27,479
Speaker 1: as he put it, FYI I sent an email to

2220
01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:30,280
Speaker 1: the web radio email address which I see under here

2221
01:52:30,520 --> 01:52:33,599
Speaker 1: and got Fred's out of office email reply. Just FYI.

2222
01:52:33,720 --> 01:52:35,920
Speaker 1: No clue if everyone else who emailed got it, but

2223
01:52:35,960 --> 01:52:37,960
Speaker 1: I figured I should make you guys aware of it. Lol.

2224
01:52:38,040 --> 01:52:44,280
Speaker 1: And yes it's right there. It's Fred's. It's just out

2225
01:52:44,280 --> 01:52:52,840
Speaker 1: of curiosity to say he'll be back February eighth. February eighth, yeah,

2226
01:52:52,080 --> 01:52:55,240
Speaker 1: four or five. It's only next week Tuesday, but it's

2227
01:52:55,240 --> 01:52:57,400
Speaker 1: like Tuesday. Yeah, he's gonna be gone for a while

2228
01:52:57,880 --> 01:53:02,120
Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, he's decompressing next Tuesday. I'm glad

2229
01:53:02,160 --> 01:53:03,760
Speaker 1: that some of us that's what it should have said

2230
01:53:03,760 --> 01:53:05,280
Speaker 1: in the out of email some of us can clear

2231
01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:10,559
Speaker 1: our heads, I guess. But his email was, Hey, guys,

2232
01:53:10,720 --> 01:53:14,320
Speaker 1: uh was Bill O'Brien the offensive coordinator right around the

2233
01:53:14,320 --> 01:53:17,040
Speaker 1: time they had the two tight end emphasis? Yes, I

2234
01:53:17,080 --> 01:53:20,040
Speaker 1: know Henry is not wrong. John was certainly not Hernandez.

2235
01:53:20,280 --> 01:53:22,640
Speaker 1: But do you think we could see more of that

2236
01:53:22,760 --> 01:53:25,720
Speaker 1: if O'Brien comes back. That's that's a good question. And

2237
01:53:25,760 --> 01:53:28,320
Speaker 1: I mean I think that we, as we've discussed, I

2238
01:53:28,360 --> 01:53:31,479
Speaker 1: think a lot of people, us included, overestimated, myself included,

2239
01:53:31,560 --> 01:53:34,320
Speaker 1: overestimated the amount they were gonna run two tight ends

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01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:37,639
Speaker 1: and forever whatever reason, they didn't. Another interesting point though,

2241
01:53:37,680 --> 01:53:40,920
Speaker 1: I think that's come out about that season though, was, um,

2242
01:53:41,280 --> 01:53:43,680
Speaker 1: you know, it was a lockout and Belichick wanted to

2243
01:53:43,720 --> 01:53:46,680
Speaker 1: go fast and that was It wasn't so much. I mean,

2244
01:53:46,680 --> 01:53:48,559
Speaker 1: it was the two tight ends, but it was also

2245
01:53:48,640 --> 01:53:51,160
Speaker 1: the one word play calls that was part of it too,

2246
01:53:51,320 --> 01:53:55,559
Speaker 1: and the speed that they went a lot, yeah, directly

2247
01:53:55,680 --> 01:53:58,080
Speaker 1: kind of related to that season and just the lack

2248
01:53:58,080 --> 01:54:00,439
Speaker 1: of preparation teams would have trying to turn the screws

2249
01:54:00,479 --> 01:54:02,720
Speaker 1: on them and you know, a challenge their conditioning a

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01:54:02,720 --> 01:54:04,400
Speaker 1: little bit. So I don't. I don't know that was

2251
01:54:04,479 --> 01:54:07,200
Speaker 1: special circumstances going into that. I don't know how it

2252
01:54:07,240 --> 01:54:09,559
Speaker 1: translates now if he's going to look at or if

2253
01:54:09,560 --> 01:54:12,559
Speaker 1: he would theoretically look at these tight ends and say, oh,

2254
01:54:12,600 --> 01:54:14,840
Speaker 1: you know, I think we can we can reproduce something similar.

2255
01:54:14,880 --> 01:54:17,519
Speaker 1: But I think, based on what we saw, neither one

2256
01:54:17,560 --> 01:54:19,680
Speaker 1: of those guys is the dynamic open field threat that

2257
01:54:19,720 --> 01:54:21,639
Speaker 1: Aaron hern Well. I mean there's a couple of things.

2258
01:54:21,720 --> 01:54:25,519
Speaker 1: Number One, I would say, without question, the guy who

2259
01:54:25,560 --> 01:54:29,920
Speaker 1: was the object of every fan's ire this year was

2260
01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:33,280
Speaker 1: Jona Smith. Yeah, and yet it seems like we're looking

2261
01:54:33,280 --> 01:54:35,040
Speaker 1: for more opportunities to get him on the field more,

2262
01:54:35,440 --> 01:54:37,960
Speaker 1: you know, because two tight ends automatically means you're gonna

2263
01:54:37,960 --> 01:54:40,800
Speaker 1: have a good offense. I guess. So. I think Mike

2264
01:54:40,880 --> 01:54:43,680
Speaker 1: just hit that perfectly. If your personnel dictates that you

2265
01:54:43,760 --> 01:54:46,520
Speaker 1: do something, that's why you do it. Not because I

2266
01:54:46,600 --> 01:54:50,080
Speaker 1: want to do this formation because that allows me to

2267
01:54:50,120 --> 01:54:52,760
Speaker 1: be successful. It's only successful if the guys are good,

2268
01:54:53,800 --> 01:54:56,640
Speaker 1: and I think that it will wait and see what

2269
01:54:56,640 --> 01:54:59,760
Speaker 1: happens with Jona Smith. The other thing that that do

2270
01:55:00,120 --> 01:55:02,920
Speaker 1: mentioned this is going to come off as like I'm

2271
01:55:02,960 --> 01:55:07,120
Speaker 1: being sarcastic, and it's completely the opposite. We credit Belichick

2272
01:55:07,200 --> 01:55:11,040
Speaker 1: with so many things that are just like routine that

2273
01:55:11,160 --> 01:55:14,640
Speaker 1: he didn't really innovate in joint practices. Oh, oh my god,

2274
01:55:14,680 --> 01:55:16,919
Speaker 1: I could give you a laundry list of snark deferring.

2275
01:55:17,240 --> 01:55:19,480
Speaker 1: I could give you a laundry list of snark. The

2276
01:55:20,240 --> 01:55:24,400
Speaker 1: forward pass. That's what what Mike just said about coming

2277
01:55:24,440 --> 01:55:26,880
Speaker 1: off the lockout in twenty eleven is one of many

2278
01:55:26,920 --> 01:55:29,160
Speaker 1: reasons why Bill is the greatest coach who's ever done it,

2279
01:55:29,720 --> 01:55:32,040
Speaker 1: because I don't think everybody looked at it that way,

2280
01:55:32,520 --> 01:55:36,480
Speaker 1: like preparation time is short. We have a veteran group

2281
01:55:36,560 --> 01:55:41,240
Speaker 1: here with Tom Brady. We're gonna go ultra fast, one

2282
01:55:41,280 --> 01:55:44,360
Speaker 1: word play calls, We're gonna we're gonna put all kinds

2283
01:55:44,360 --> 01:55:48,440
Speaker 1: of pressure. That team wasn't that good, That twenty eleven team,

2284
01:55:48,440 --> 01:55:52,280
Speaker 1: you remember it had a riff defense defense. He knew

2285
01:55:52,280 --> 01:55:53,960
Speaker 1: he was gonna have to score a lot of points.

2286
01:55:53,960 --> 01:55:57,080
Speaker 1: He knew where the strength was with Brady, the tight ends,

2287
01:55:57,440 --> 01:56:01,960
Speaker 1: And that was another another advance cards, Like I don't

2288
01:56:02,000 --> 01:56:06,080
Speaker 1: think just anybody does that says, oh, no preparation, how

2289
01:56:06,080 --> 01:56:08,680
Speaker 1: can we exploit that? Oh this is this is a

2290
01:56:08,720 --> 01:56:12,200
Speaker 1: way we could exploit that, like instead of giving him

2291
01:56:12,240 --> 01:56:16,560
Speaker 1: credit for you know, playing eleven guys on defense, which

2292
01:56:16,840 --> 01:56:19,200
Speaker 1: he seems like he gets credit for, like, you know, innovating,

2293
01:56:19,240 --> 01:56:20,800
Speaker 1: you know, find the real stuff. I know, we're going

2294
01:56:20,840 --> 01:56:23,040
Speaker 1: to make it interesting. Like that's a thing that I

2295
01:56:23,040 --> 01:56:26,840
Speaker 1: don't think just anybody does. Yeah, yeah, it's interesting, but

2296
01:56:26,880 --> 01:56:28,960
Speaker 1: I yeah, and but it's how, you know, how does

2297
01:56:29,000 --> 01:56:31,640
Speaker 1: it relate to two tight ends? What they're going to

2298
01:56:31,720 --> 01:56:33,960
Speaker 1: do now with Billy? Oh, I don't. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, But I'm not saying he's the only

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Speaker 1: one that does these things. I wouldn't expect it to

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01:56:37,800 --> 01:56:42,280
Speaker 1: suddenly bells here we go. I don't think that Kevin

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Speaker 1: and Dublin wanted to know. On this same topic, if

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01:56:45,400 --> 01:56:49,240
Speaker 1: we saw any differences, real differences between McDaniels and O'Brien

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01:56:49,320 --> 01:56:52,640
Speaker 1: in terms of play calling style throughout the year, I

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01:56:52,640 --> 01:56:56,040
Speaker 1: don't remember. But I also don't it's hard. I don't

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01:56:56,040 --> 01:56:58,080
Speaker 1: think so. I think the offense is the offense. I

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01:56:58,080 --> 01:57:00,960
Speaker 1: think people that think it's a great thing that Josh

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01:57:01,040 --> 01:57:03,360
Speaker 1: left because it's going to be different, they're gonna be

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01:57:03,360 --> 01:57:05,560
Speaker 1: disappointed because I think the system is going to be

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Speaker 1: the same, which makes sense. I mean think you want

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01:57:09,120 --> 01:57:10,280
Speaker 1: to do you want to try to I mean I

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01:57:10,320 --> 01:57:12,920
Speaker 1: don't especially in the crucial year two development with the

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01:57:12,960 --> 01:57:15,160
Speaker 1: young quarterback, and do you don't want to make him

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01:57:15,480 --> 01:57:18,880
Speaker 1: learn something completely different? You know? And like the bigger

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01:57:19,040 --> 01:57:21,680
Speaker 1: like the bigger picture question for me is, you know,

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01:57:21,800 --> 01:57:23,680
Speaker 1: is how does Bill want to plot out the end

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01:57:23,720 --> 01:57:26,040
Speaker 1: for him? Like what kind of coaches does you would

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01:57:26,040 --> 01:57:29,760
Speaker 1: guess that whoever he's bringing it off his owner, Bills Bills, Yeah,

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01:57:29,800 --> 01:57:31,760
Speaker 1: Like how does he want to manage the team during

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01:57:31,760 --> 01:57:33,960
Speaker 1: this period in terms of how much he's involved on

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01:57:34,000 --> 01:57:36,120
Speaker 1: either side of the ball. Does he want to bring

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01:57:36,160 --> 01:57:38,960
Speaker 1: in an experienced coach who can kind of take one

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01:57:39,000 --> 01:57:41,760
Speaker 1: side of the ball over and be separate and take

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01:57:41,800 --> 01:57:43,800
Speaker 1: things off of his plate or does he want to

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Speaker 1: continue to do what he's been doing and develop young coaches,

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01:57:46,400 --> 01:57:48,880
Speaker 1: put young coaches into that and bring in more young

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01:57:48,880 --> 01:57:51,160
Speaker 1: coaches to fill them and you know, maybe them when

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01:57:51,160 --> 01:57:55,200
Speaker 1: Bill does decide to hang them up. You've got offensive coordinator,

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01:57:55,240 --> 01:57:58,640
Speaker 1: defensive coat, coaching staff that's been rebuilt, that has experienced,

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01:57:58,680 --> 01:58:01,880
Speaker 1: but now can kind of care on his message Because

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01:58:01,920 --> 01:58:03,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I said it on Tuesday, I

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01:58:03,440 --> 01:58:06,320
Speaker 1: felt like after Josh and Ziegler left, it's like Bill

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01:58:06,320 --> 01:58:08,400
Speaker 1: Belichick stands alone right now, Like it just feels like

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01:58:08,880 --> 01:58:11,200
Speaker 1: it's kind of him here, and we know time is

2335
01:58:11,480 --> 01:58:14,240
Speaker 1: winding down, and I truly believe he wants to leave

2336
01:58:14,600 --> 01:58:16,960
Speaker 1: this franchise in a good position when he does leave.

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01:58:17,040 --> 01:58:18,840
Speaker 1: So I think you're going to start to see some

2338
01:58:18,920 --> 01:58:21,000
Speaker 1: of the plan a little bit as he starts to

2339
01:58:21,040 --> 01:58:23,120
Speaker 1: make these hires now of what kind of coaches he

2340
01:58:23,160 --> 01:58:26,480
Speaker 1: brings in Sean and Vancouver on the Ace ticket hot line,

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01:58:26,480 --> 01:58:31,240
Speaker 1: close us out today, Erica a few things. So in

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01:58:31,400 --> 01:58:37,120
Speaker 1: terms of the Rooney rule, it doesn't really work, and

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01:58:37,600 --> 01:58:41,680
Speaker 1: we know everyone said that because of just rubber stamping

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01:58:41,760 --> 01:58:45,840
Speaker 1: when you have requirements for the actual interview. But I

2345
01:58:45,880 --> 01:58:49,600
Speaker 1: think it would work if you had a reward for

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01:58:49,760 --> 01:58:52,480
Speaker 1: hiring that that might be something like I have the

2347
01:58:52,520 --> 01:58:55,720
Speaker 1: same situation for my work, and yeah, you could say,

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01:58:56,640 --> 01:58:58,720
Speaker 1: you know I'm going to spend one so get ready

2349
01:58:58,800 --> 01:59:03,200
Speaker 1: all up. But when I auditioned, um, the union has

2350
01:59:03,240 --> 01:59:06,960
Speaker 1: a requirement here that you have to see so many

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01:59:07,000 --> 01:59:11,200
Speaker 1: local actors and remember that when when a production, you know,

2352
01:59:11,240 --> 01:59:13,560
Speaker 1: like I auditioned for a couple of years ago for

2353
01:59:13,600 --> 01:59:16,920
Speaker 1: a big our drama and they were going with Richard Kine.

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01:59:16,920 --> 01:59:21,120
Speaker 1: That's who they cast, you know, dj uh uh and CBS,

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01:59:21,280 --> 01:59:23,360
Speaker 1: and that they're not thinking like, oh, we're gonna go

2356
01:59:23,440 --> 01:59:25,680
Speaker 1: Sean board off over Richard Kine. They're just like, Okay,

2357
01:59:25,680 --> 01:59:28,240
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to bring in some some local actors.

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01:59:28,240 --> 01:59:30,280
Speaker 1: So that bring me in and other actors to audition

2359
01:59:30,320 --> 01:59:33,360
Speaker 1: a lot. It doesn't. It's just just let's sean. I've

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01:59:33,360 --> 01:59:35,000
Speaker 1: been on the other side of that as a producer

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01:59:35,080 --> 01:59:37,760
Speaker 1: and having to go to Vancouver site exactly what you're

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01:59:37,760 --> 01:59:40,560
Speaker 1: talking about, like, yeah, yeah, you know the same thing.

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01:59:40,560 --> 01:59:46,160
Speaker 1: We got it, we got align some locals up to yeah, yeah, yeah.

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01:59:46,200 --> 01:59:49,280
Speaker 1: And and then the other thing I wanted to mention

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01:59:49,400 --> 01:59:52,160
Speaker 1: is on a positive note in terms of the Pro

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01:59:52,440 --> 01:59:56,120
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl for for Mac getting selected as an alternative

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01:59:56,280 --> 02:00:00,760
Speaker 1: a replacement. Um, it's it's really good new from is

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02:00:00,760 --> 02:00:02,560
Speaker 1: the way I look at it, because it means that

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02:00:02,600 --> 02:00:08,120
Speaker 1: he's the sixth best quarterback in terms of Pro Bowl voters,

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02:00:08,240 --> 02:00:12,280
Speaker 1: right because they didn't select car but they they selected Jones.

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02:00:12,280 --> 02:00:15,800
Speaker 1: So for some reason they they think he's better than

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02:00:15,840 --> 02:00:18,520
Speaker 1: Derek Carr. So that's that's kind of take your word

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02:00:18,520 --> 02:00:20,320
Speaker 1: for it. I don't know if they don't know, and

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02:00:20,360 --> 02:00:22,080
Speaker 1: he declined, I don't know a lot of the people.

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02:00:22,400 --> 02:00:24,200
Speaker 1: A lot of people declined I don't know. What I

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02:00:24,280 --> 02:00:26,440
Speaker 1: discovered is they don't really tell you. They don't really

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02:00:26,480 --> 02:00:30,080
Speaker 1: tell you who you don't know. That's one point. I

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02:00:30,280 --> 02:00:33,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't read anything into it. But you know from injuries, right,

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02:00:33,840 --> 02:00:36,600
Speaker 1: because you know Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson are injured,

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02:00:36,560 --> 02:00:38,680
Speaker 1: so they're they're not there some of them. Yeah, yeah,

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02:00:38,800 --> 02:00:42,160
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, I mean Patrick, just a million guys, right,

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02:00:42,200 --> 02:00:44,360
Speaker 1: And Josh Allen did like say, I'm not playing. I

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02:00:44,760 --> 02:00:48,040
Speaker 1: declined to play, so yeah, he's about yeah right sure. Um,

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Speaker 1: And the last last thing I want to talk about

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02:00:50,480 --> 02:00:54,240
Speaker 1: is that. But the point, Sean real quick is you know,

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02:00:54,320 --> 02:00:56,680
Speaker 1: the guys that made it, that said no, you don't

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02:00:56,720 --> 02:00:59,600
Speaker 1: know after that, if you if they didn't make it,

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02:00:59,640 --> 02:01:02,120
Speaker 1: if they said no and they just went down the list,

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02:01:02,120 --> 02:01:05,000
Speaker 1: they only announced who accepted. Okay, they don't. So if

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02:01:05,000 --> 02:01:06,640
Speaker 1: you say no to an alternate, you don't have to

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02:01:06,640 --> 02:01:11,440
Speaker 1: say why that's okay, thanks. Josh Allen said no, well,

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02:01:11,520 --> 02:01:13,600
Speaker 1: yeah he didn't make Yeah he was an alternate. Josh

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02:01:13,920 --> 02:01:17,520
Speaker 1: was an alternate and he said no, yeah, right, But

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02:01:17,600 --> 02:01:19,560
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're going down the list after that,

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02:01:19,920 --> 02:01:22,680
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to report it, I imagine. I guess then, right,

2396
02:01:23,200 --> 02:01:25,640
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is if someone and I don't know

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02:01:25,680 --> 02:01:28,080
Speaker 1: this to be the like, for all I know, Mac

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Speaker 1: was the sixth alternate, I don't know, well, like in

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Speaker 1: this case, the third alternate, the sixth one in the AFC, right,

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02:01:34,600 --> 02:01:36,240
Speaker 1: that could be the way they do it. I don't know.

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02:01:36,840 --> 02:01:39,880
Speaker 1: I don't think they picked that many alternates. I think

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02:01:39,880 --> 02:01:41,760
Speaker 1: there's like I think there's like an alternate and then

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02:01:41,800 --> 02:01:43,600
Speaker 1: after that they like then they just start calling you

2404
02:01:44,000 --> 02:01:46,360
Speaker 1: want to go like Joe Burrow, Like, don't tell me

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02:01:46,440 --> 02:01:48,800
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow wasn't ahead of him right now obviously he

2406
02:01:48,840 --> 02:01:51,280
Speaker 1: can't play because he's in the super Bowl. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: I mean, I you know, Herbert, you know, is he there?

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02:01:54,720 --> 02:01:57,360
Speaker 1: Did he make it? Yeah? Yeah, okay, so he ended

2409
02:01:57,440 --> 02:02:01,120
Speaker 1: up going yeah he's yeah, he is there. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think I think there's a lot of guys right

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02:02:03,640 --> 02:02:06,040
Speaker 1: that would I mean, certainly Derek Carr would have been

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02:02:06,040 --> 02:02:08,320
Speaker 1: over and if you ask me, but I don't, like,

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02:02:08,360 --> 02:02:12,600
Speaker 1: I don't know that. Yeah. Yeah. So the other thing

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Speaker 1: about teams, we're talking about Washington and team names. Yeah,

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02:02:18,040 --> 02:02:20,800
Speaker 1: the Commander brought up a couple of like of names

2416
02:02:20,800 --> 02:02:23,360
Speaker 1: in in uh basketball. But you know a lot of

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02:02:23,400 --> 02:02:26,040
Speaker 1: teams they have the name from where they move, like

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02:02:26,080 --> 02:02:29,760
Speaker 1: the Lakers, yea, Minnesota, the Jazz, Grizzlies here in Grizzlies.

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Speaker 1: But what I thought was kind of funny, is we

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Speaker 1: go back to the original question. Uh, the Redskins were

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02:02:36,760 --> 02:02:42,240
Speaker 1: originally from Boston. It's true? Correct, Yeah, that's right, Yeah,

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02:02:42,400 --> 02:02:46,000
Speaker 1: all right, that's all right, A huge a huge Indian area, right,

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Speaker 1: thanks Sean. I believe they would, wasn't it the Algonquins?

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02:02:50,400 --> 02:02:53,360
Speaker 1: Am I wrong on that? Am I? Not the team name? Like?

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Speaker 1: I think that was what they were honoring, like the

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Speaker 1: heritage of the I don't. I don't remember, don't don't.

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Speaker 1: I might be remember that, but you might be right.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but I do remember obviously, like an

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Speaker 1: enormous Indian heritage, Native Americans. Well, also the Atlanta heritage,

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02:03:07,800 --> 02:03:11,120
Speaker 1: Atlanta Braves, worthy, Boston Braves, right, and they played at

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02:03:11,200 --> 02:03:16,120
Speaker 1: our old field, Nickerson. What became next? Seminoles are from Florida,

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02:03:16,320 --> 02:03:20,520
Speaker 1: that's right? What's your what are you on a point?

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02:03:20,840 --> 02:03:23,800
Speaker 1: You have no point? All right, that's that's our two

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Speaker 1: hours for today. Enjoy Mac Jones and the Pro Bowl

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02:03:26,760 --> 02:03:29,440
Speaker 1: this weekend. Get ready for will have you covered on

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02:03:29,520 --> 02:03:32,320
Speaker 1: that check out quick trip we got We already got

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Speaker 1: picks up of Mac John's playing dodgeball. They'll preview what

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Speaker 1: you're going to see the night. If you can dodge

2439
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Speaker 1: a wrench, you can dodge a ball. That's what they

2440
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Speaker 1: told him when he went to practice. Okay for Paul,

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Speaker 1: from Mike, for Matt Morrell and Matisse. Fred is somewhere

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Speaker 1: off on a beach, probably somewhere on eric kellvinor We

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