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Speaker 1: Draymond Green welcoming you back to the second episode of
Speaker 1: The Draymond Green Show. Man. I am extremely excited about
Speaker 1: this episode. Obviously, as we spoke on before, this will
Speaker 1: definitely be a basketball heavy podcasting ship got a little
Speaker 1: spicy last few days in the NBA UM where you know,
Speaker 1: there's no surprise that um, King James got into it
Speaker 1: with a young fellow Isaac Stewart from Detroit, and it
Speaker 1: got a little bloody, It got a little physical, But
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that. I guess you can say it
Speaker 1: got a little physical with with all the antics as
Speaker 1: you can see which way I'm leaning, um, and the
Speaker 1: whole discussion by that statement, all of the antics. As
Speaker 1: a fan of the game of basketball, that ship was crazy.
Speaker 1: And I said, as an actual player, come on. And
Speaker 1: why I say come on, it's because if you watch
Speaker 1: that video, by the way, Isaiah Stewart is probably the
Speaker 1: strongest guy in the NBA. UM. What is the years
Speaker 1: old uh reincardnation of Ben Wallace there in Detroit. So
Speaker 1: going back, obviously Lebron swung his arm, um, and he
Speaker 1: bloodied Isaiah. And I mean, as as someone who has
Speaker 1: had his fair share of ship throughout throughout the course
Speaker 1: of my career, UM, I personally can't say Lebron did
Speaker 1: that on purpose. And here's why I say that. Did
Speaker 1: he swing his arm on purpose? Yes? Absolutely? Was he
Speaker 1: trying to get Isaiah Stewart from hooking his off his arm?
Speaker 1: Absolutely was he trying to bloody his eye and have
Speaker 1: blood running down his face like like he just got it,
Speaker 1: got his ass kicked by by Bud Crawford. I don't
Speaker 1: think so. I just personally don't think Lebron's intentions was
Speaker 1: to actually hit him in the eye, to actually make
Speaker 1: him bleed to which then led to all of that.
Speaker 1: And here's why you have to be so accurate and
Speaker 1: just swinging your arm in the heat of the battle
Speaker 1: to actually connect and and had this guy bloody the
Speaker 1: way he was now again, I one percent think Brown
Speaker 1: was swinging his arm to get him off on like,
Speaker 1: of course, that's that's a natural reaction. Um, kind of
Speaker 1: like my reaction when Lebron stepped over me, you know,
Speaker 1: like someone it's a natural reaction when someone scribing you,
Speaker 1: someone's over you. It's a natural thing, you know. And
Speaker 1: so I don't think that Lebron did that on purpose.
Speaker 1: But as I said, he definitely was getting the kid
Speaker 1: off of all. Right. Now we moved forward and the
Speaker 1: little scrumb and my second thoughts were, y'all mashed up. Man,
Speaker 1: no man, you know, man, no man, shut the face.
Speaker 1: And to me it looked like Lebron and saying, hey man,
Speaker 1: my bad. Didn't you know I didn't try to do that,
Speaker 1: And the conversation seemed to be a little under control.
Speaker 1: You know, he's piste off. He turns around Bron standing there,
Speaker 1: Brons like yo, my bad, blah blah blah. And then
Speaker 1: this is where it got spicy. You have the teammates
Speaker 1: come running in holding the guy back, pulling him away
Speaker 1: from Lebron, and I think they may have made him
Speaker 1: feel like he should be upset because that's when he
Speaker 1: went apes Ship. He went apes Ship. Right after the
Speaker 1: teammates started coming in and grab him. He looked as
Speaker 1: if he was just going to have a conversation with
Speaker 1: Brian in that moment, and they kind of got to
Speaker 1: get it figured all out. Then everyone runs in. He
Speaker 1: turns into the incredible Hawk and starts running over everybody.
Speaker 1: You know, if if you were going to do all
Speaker 1: of that, then that should have just happened. When y'allre
Speaker 1: face to face, like you had your opportunity to do
Speaker 1: whatever it was that you were going to do, and
Speaker 1: that didn't happen. That time period is gone. Let's move forward.
Speaker 1: So for everyone out there, um, for my fellow NBA guys,
Speaker 1: out there. For Isaiah Stewart, someone who's been fined about
Speaker 1: a million dollars in my career, I wouldn't waste my
Speaker 1: time if I were and money, because unless you're going
Speaker 1: to do something right in that moment that you and
Speaker 1: Lebron Wild face to face, the rest of the ship
Speaker 1: is just window dressing and and and the west and
Speaker 1: the rest of it is it leads to the Internet
Speaker 1: going crazy. And most importantly what it leads to is
Speaker 1: it leads to a fucking two game suspension, which is
Speaker 1: too game checks. And you know, there's this there's there's
Speaker 1: this common misconception of once a kid comes into the
Speaker 1: NBA that they're rich. That's bullshit because number one, you
Speaker 1: have Asian fees. Most importantly, you have taxes, um, you
Speaker 1: have costs of living, you're you have for most of us,
Speaker 1: I'm figuring out how money and finances actually work, you know,
Speaker 1: And so you have all of these things. You have family,
Speaker 1: you have all of these things to where those first
Speaker 1: couple of years, especially for me who was the second
Speaker 1: round pick, you just don't have a bunch of money
Speaker 1: and to get suspended for two games, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: Isaiah Stewards salary, but I'll be willing to bet he
Speaker 1: probably won't get a check for the next week, I
Speaker 1: mean for the next two to four weeks, and if so,
Speaker 1: it would be significantly less. I do think this is
Speaker 1: the last that we'll see Isaiah Stewart getting into it
Speaker 1: with someone like the caliber of King James or some
Speaker 1: other guys in this league, because, as as gilbrid Arena
Speaker 1: said in his in his post the other day, um,
Speaker 1: there's just some guys you shouldn't get into it with.
Speaker 1: And Isaiah, take it from me. I got into it
Speaker 1: with Lebron James about um, roughly five years ago, and
Speaker 1: it didn't go so well for me. And not that
Speaker 1: Bron kicked my ass, um, but he did kick my ass.
Speaker 1: Not physically, though, he did kick my ass because he
Speaker 1: came back from a three one deficit to win a
Speaker 1: world championship and that ship still stinks today. So, as
Speaker 1: someone who has gotten into it with King James on
Speaker 1: the floor, Isaiah, just a little word of advice, it's
Speaker 1: not really worth the time, Um, it's not really worth
Speaker 1: the effort and the energy that he spent to get
Speaker 1: through all of those people only to end up paying
Speaker 1: two game checks. We can all sit and say, how
Speaker 1: did he get suspended for two games and Lebron got
Speaker 1: suspended for one? Lebron started blah blah blah. That ship
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Um, that is the world that we live in.
Speaker 1: Should have earned and I think Lebron James personally should
Speaker 1: not have been suspended for one game because he is
Speaker 1: Lebron James. And yes, he did hit the du it
Speaker 1: in the face, he got kicked out of a game.
Speaker 1: Let's just leave it at that, because I personally don't
Speaker 1: think that's just that's the world we live ma man.
Speaker 1: So if you didn't think Lebron deserved this is mentioned,
Speaker 1: were you surprised then? Because I feel like a lot
Speaker 1: of people were surprised that he got suspended for a game,
Speaker 1: especially considering the game he's gonna miss is a national
Speaker 1: TV game at Madison Square Garden. You know it. I
Speaker 1: am not surprised that he got suspending the hairs Why
Speaker 1: Adam Silver, who I think he's the best commissioner in sports. Um,
Speaker 1: And it's not a discussion. Um. Adam Silver, if I'm
Speaker 1: not mistaken, has publicly says something along the lines of
Speaker 1: the league judges. Reactions on social media and everywhere else
Speaker 1: when they are um deciding whether suspension will happen to
Speaker 1: find will happen. Adam hasn't been shyed to that, and
Speaker 1: I could be mixing my channels up and that's something
Speaker 1: that I've heard just being an NBA but as a
Speaker 1: fan of this game, I'm pretty sure that's something that
Speaker 1: I've seen publicly. But that's that's that, like they're they're
Speaker 1: going to somewhat taken into account the public's reaction, and
Speaker 1: obviously the public reaction to this was huge, So I
Speaker 1: am not surprised that Lebron got suspended for a game
Speaker 1: because the public's reaction was so big to it um
Speaker 1: too the incident and it's drawn so much attention, So
Speaker 1: because of that, I'm not surprised, but I am surprised
Speaker 1: because I just don't think Lebron James should suspended unless
Speaker 1: it's just some ship that fucking you know. Sometimes you know,
Speaker 1: things get through get out lettle out of hand, and
Speaker 1: then that's just that that thing got out of hand.
Speaker 1: But from the time Lebron hitting him in the face,
Speaker 1: he was kind of like, hey man, my bad, He's
Speaker 1: still back. He didn't continue to go even after Isaiah
Speaker 1: Stewart did all the running around and trying to rip
Speaker 1: through people that he did. Bron just still back there,
Speaker 1: like look at him, right, what's he doing? And and so, yes,
Speaker 1: I think Lebron got kicked out of the game. And
Speaker 1: and like there's his punishment, Like you get kicked out
Speaker 1: the game, you you're you're getting fined there, maybe you
Speaker 1: tack on an extra fine or something whatever. But I
Speaker 1: personally didn't think he should have gotten suspended because he
Speaker 1: he had his punishment, like he he hit the guy
Speaker 1: in the face. Um, he got kicked out of the game.
Speaker 1: And that's that. Now, that's one thing if you know
Speaker 1: that officiating. The crew said, um, we're gonna give Lebron
Speaker 1: a flagrant one or we're gonna give Lebron a technical file.
Speaker 1: And he continues to play, and then the league goes
Speaker 1: and review it and they say, oh no, that punishment.
Speaker 1: He should have been thrown out of that game. So
Speaker 1: because of that, we're giving a one game suspension. Then
Speaker 1: that's totally different. But I mean, he got kicked out
Speaker 1: of the game, and I personally think he's just paid
Speaker 1: for his actions. Like big you know, Isaiah Stewart um
Speaker 1: went crazy after the fact, and you know it created
Speaker 1: this whole commotion, but the real of it is like
Speaker 1: Lebron didn't go crazy, like so, so does Lebron now
Speaker 1: get in trouble because this dude start running through everybody, Like,
Speaker 1: I personally don't understand that, And so, UM, I didn't
Speaker 1: think he should have been suspended. So if if I
Speaker 1: was surprised at anything, I was surprised more so at
Speaker 1: the fact of like, yes, you're suspending them, but he
Speaker 1: he served as punishment and that's just that. But it's
Speaker 1: funny because I was I was talking to my um.
Speaker 1: I was talking to my wife yesterday and we were
Speaker 1: talking about I'm like, damn baby, they just supend Lebron
Speaker 1: And we're talking about the situation and she's like, well,
Speaker 1: can you like, wouldn't it be dope if you could
Speaker 1: choose choose which game you can suspended for? Tell me,
Speaker 1: how are you asking me? I showed, wouldn't her? I
Speaker 1: show wouldn't have chosen game five? So I mean that
Speaker 1: that would be nice. But and I said, well, that
Speaker 1: would be nice, but it doesn't quite work that way.
Speaker 1: It's just the next game up. And she's like that sucks.
Speaker 1: I said, well, what sucks is they're playing in the
Speaker 1: Garden and it's a National TV game, you know, it's
Speaker 1: the next And she's like, yeah, that sucks. She's like,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure Lebron feels like I've I've played in
Speaker 1: the Garden enough times, Like all right, but I said,
Speaker 1: but here's what you have to take into account. May
Speaker 1: at the point that Lebron is at in his career,
Speaker 1: which is in year nineteen, he only has so many
Speaker 1: more games in the garden, you know, like you got
Speaker 1: this one this year, which you'll now miss, so then
Speaker 1: you got your twenty Who knows what's going on at
Speaker 1: that point in the season when you're play in the garden,
Speaker 1: you know. And so we've seen Lebron have monster games
Speaker 1: in the Garden, and you know, we know what that
Speaker 1: stage brings out and the best and so just to
Speaker 1: not have that opportunity to play and you only have
Speaker 1: so many more opportunities, um to actually be on that
Speaker 1: stage and play in the Garden, that's the part where
Speaker 1: I think I think that really sucks. I think I
Speaker 1: think for me personally, as far as the Lakers go,
Speaker 1: um as far as the Lakers go with making the
Speaker 1: trade for Russell Westbrook. Uh, I think they let go
Speaker 1: a kcp uh Coop's Montres harrow and and bringing in
Speaker 1: Russ As a competitor, you know, I can sit here
Speaker 1: and go through it, go through an analyst given analysis
Speaker 1: on the trade, how I felt and how I feel now,
Speaker 1: and where they are as a team. But the reality
Speaker 1: is as a competitor, as someone who in the who's
Speaker 1: in the same division as them, fighting for the same goal, um,
Speaker 1: as someone who's on a team who's trying to get
Speaker 1: out of the Western Conference and get back to an
Speaker 1: NBA finals, It's not really on me to decide like, oh,
Speaker 1: is this a good trade for them? Or is this not?
Speaker 1: I really don't give a damn what what I do
Speaker 1: care about this. I immediately just started playing with the matchups, like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll be on a D all right, so we'll have
Speaker 1: wigs on. We'll have wigs probably on Lebron uh. And
Speaker 1: if we have wigs on Lebron uh, then who who? Then?
Speaker 1: You know, our next matchup? Who are we putting on Rush?
Speaker 1: You know? And so I just immediately start going through
Speaker 1: the matchups and seeing how we stack up against that team.
Speaker 1: I personally think it's absolutely insane that people will start
Speaker 1: to count that team out less than twenty games into
Speaker 1: the season, because it's number one, it takes time for
Speaker 1: ship to work. It takes time for a team to
Speaker 1: actually become a team. And so to think that a
Speaker 1: team eighteen games into the season, that's who that team
Speaker 1: will be in a month and two months and three months,
Speaker 1: it's absurd, uh, And it is. It's almost disrespectful to
Speaker 1: the process of going through it and the process of
Speaker 1: winning the championship because it doesn't just happen game one
Speaker 1: or or eight or fifteen for anyone. You know, like
Speaker 1: you're still trying to You're still trying to figure it out.
Speaker 1: You're figuring matchups out, you're figuring lineups out. You know,
Speaker 1: you're figuring all at thest what play what sets work,
Speaker 1: what sets don't work? Are we running too many sets?
Speaker 1: Do we need to simplify the playbook? Do we need
Speaker 1: to add more to the playbook? Um, you're you still
Speaker 1: have all of those things to to figure out. And
Speaker 1: so to count that team out under twenty games into
Speaker 1: the season, I think is absurd. As I said before,
Speaker 1: I think it's disrespectful to the process of winning the championship.
Speaker 1: Because it doesn't happen overnight for anyone, um not, you know,
Speaker 1: I say that as someone. I think we're fifteen and
Speaker 1: two or whatever. Our record is right now here we sit.
Speaker 1: We we sit here in the with the best record
Speaker 1: in the league through the first three weeks or whatever
Speaker 1: it is, and you can bet your bottom dollar we're like,
Speaker 1: we're gonna hit some bumps, like we're you know, that's
Speaker 1: just the nature of the game we play. You play
Speaker 1: eighty two games in the year, you know, you lose
Speaker 1: two or three in a row, feels like the world's collapsially,
Speaker 1: you know. And so we're gonna hit some bumps. They are,
Speaker 1: you know, they're they're already hitting some bumps. And that's
Speaker 1: just every everyone's season is different. You may hit your
Speaker 1: bumps in the beginning, you may hit them in the middle,
Speaker 1: you may hit him in the end. You also have
Speaker 1: some of these teams that maybe bump y'all all the
Speaker 1: way through the season. But the reality is is everyone
Speaker 1: hits that bumping the road. Everyone has to figure it out.
Speaker 1: And I think I don't think it's past the point
Speaker 1: of where they're going to figure it out. We're twenty
Speaker 1: We're not even twenty games in, So I don't I
Speaker 1: don't sit back and look at them and say, yep,
Speaker 1: that that team can't figure it out, that they won't win. Now,
Speaker 1: that's a very dangerous team with a lot of talent
Speaker 1: that you have to continue to get better and make
Speaker 1: sure you're yourself in the best position to beat that
Speaker 1: team whenever it's time, because they'll be there. Speaking of
Speaker 1: another team that had a lot of talent and you
Speaker 1: can't count out. That was sort of in the news
Speaker 1: a little bit online last night. Did you, Draymond Green
Speaker 1: see the picture of Kevin Durance? Oh my god, Jesus Christ. Kay,
Speaker 1: you know what. I actually saw the picture. BAM out
Speaker 1: of Buyo sent me the picture and said, there's no
Speaker 1: way case this ash. He said, there's no way, Kay,
Speaker 1: is this ash? And I said, what the fuck? I
Speaker 1: sent back a bunch of crying after faces, and then
Speaker 1: I clicked on the link that Bam sent me and
Speaker 1: it was fucking hilarious. I think it was the ten
Speaker 1: clips of the ten clips of uh well tweets. I
Speaker 1: should say it started with I said Thomas, and then
Speaker 1: it went on through I. Um, it was a great
Speaker 1: It was a great day in and NBA news not
Speaker 1: related to basketball between Katie's ankle or leg or whatever
Speaker 1: it is, that was ridiculous. And as someone who I
Speaker 1: mean growing up man, I was the kid in high
Speaker 1: school who everyone came to me for lotion. I kept
Speaker 1: lotion in my backpack, but I was always ashy. I
Speaker 1: hate it putting it all. But if you ever need
Speaker 1: a lotion, you come to me. So as someone who
Speaker 1: spent uh the first sixteen years of my life not
Speaker 1: giving a damn when I was asked or not, that
Speaker 1: was another level of that. That wasn't even ash. That
Speaker 1: was fucking scales And like I mean, it looked like
Speaker 1: you could go fucking skin him like an alligator and
Speaker 1: and and take it to the store and sell it
Speaker 1: like that's how bad. That's how bad it was. I
Speaker 1: have not talked to Kevin yet. I am looking and
Speaker 1: forward to calling him today and and getting his appearance.
Speaker 1: I know he's gonna say, fun, y'all, Uh, why why
Speaker 1: y'all worried about my ankles? I already know what his
Speaker 1: response is gonna be. But I'll tell you what to
Speaker 1: my brother Rich climbing Um, there's a lot a lot
Speaker 1: of lotion brands out here, I'm not sure Kevin Durant
Speaker 1: wants to promote some lotion or endorse some lotion. But
Speaker 1: to my brother Rich Climbing, who is an incredible businessman,
Speaker 1: who's who's help alongside Kevin built thirty five ventures, who's
Speaker 1: doing big ship and the media and sports tech sports
Speaker 1: media technology industry, my brother Rich, I need you to
Speaker 1: call all these lotion brands or being there. We are
Speaker 1: talking about Katie Pick the lotion brand that y'all want
Speaker 1: to endorse and partner with, and go partner with them,
Speaker 1: because that would be an incredible story. If Kevin just
Speaker 1: comes out of the next game incredibly lowhit um, you know,
Speaker 1: with skin looking impeccable, I love to see it. So
Speaker 1: I hope that Cake can capitalize on this because that
Speaker 1: was fucking bad. And in other news, Kuzma sweatshirt. I
Speaker 1: I love cools Man. That's that's you know, that's that's
Speaker 1: a little bro from from Flint, Michigan, which is right
Speaker 1: up the highway from sacking On, Michigan. Uh. I think
Speaker 1: cous has definitely lost his Flint ways because I don't
Speaker 1: know anybody in Flint other than Cool's wearing that goddamn sweater.
Speaker 1: But hey, man, if you if you can pull it off,
Speaker 1: which I guess he poured it off. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Some people will say he didn't pull it off. Some
Speaker 1: people and say, no, he didn't. If you could pull
Speaker 1: it off and it worked for you, go for it.
Speaker 1: But that sweater, Nah, No, that wasn't it. I mean,
Speaker 1: some of these office these guys be wearing and they're
Speaker 1: like runway shoots through the tunnel. He fucking pathetic. I
Speaker 1: actually liked the way Cool's dress. I think couls puts
Speaker 1: put shipped together. And I mean, I guess if you're
Speaker 1: if if your goal is to break the internet, he
Speaker 1: did that. Uh but yeah, that's the sweaters and fucking
Speaker 1: no for me. My mom texts me. She said, if
Speaker 1: he just wrapped it, if he just wrapped wrapped the
Speaker 1: sleeves around his body, he got himself a straight jacket.
Speaker 1: It's like, I mean, I couldn't I couldn't believe Cools
Speaker 1: where that sweater. By the way, I can't even believe
Speaker 1: someone made that sweater. But the fact that he had
Speaker 1: the confidence to put it on, kudos two Cools man.
Speaker 1: But sweater fucking sucked. In my opinion, I am extremely
Speaker 1: excited to welcome this next guest to the Draymond Green
Speaker 1: Show guy who I've been a fan of since since
Speaker 1: high school. Man watching this man run off a million screens.
Speaker 1: That dude, I'm gonna read this. I'm gonna read this
Speaker 1: bio because it's it's so long and I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: doing him any justice if I didn't read this. And
Speaker 1: McDonald's All American at Cave Spring High School and Royan
Speaker 1: No Virginia score forty three points as a senior in
Speaker 1: the in the Virginia High School League three A state
Speaker 1: championship victory, which was a record until Matt mcclum beating
Speaker 1: by score on forty seven to a championship. He said,
Speaker 1: a CC records for most points score most a CC,
Speaker 1: turning the point score during this time that Duke total
Speaker 1: point score, which was later beat by Tyler Harris bro
Speaker 1: Duke's all time leader score. Just saying a whole bunch
Speaker 1: considering the history of that program as we all know, uh,
Speaker 1: top of the top. When when talking men's college basketball
Speaker 1: consensus National Player of the Year in two thousand and six,
Speaker 1: which I take a little offense to this consensus because
Speaker 1: I was National Player of the Year, but definitely wasn't consensus.
Speaker 1: Uh two time rupp Award winner, two time a CC
Speaker 1: Player of the Year, and he had his number retired
Speaker 1: at Duke A. Cameron Indoor February fourth, two thousand seventeen.
Speaker 1: Went on to be drafted eleventh overall by the Orlando
Speaker 1: Magic in the two thousand and six NBA Drafts. Seven
Speaker 1: seasons with the Magic, four seasons with the Clippers, two
Speaker 1: with the seventy Sixers, two with the Pelicans, and he
Speaker 1: finished it off with the Dallas Mavericks. A career forty
Speaker 1: one point five percent three point shooter, seventeen thought time,
Speaker 1: and he made the playoffs in his first thirteen seasons.
Speaker 1: I am honored to have the great, the latest media
Speaker 1: personality that we're all enjoying watching. J J was something
Speaker 1: that welcome to the show, Draymond. What a pleasure to
Speaker 1: be to be on this show, especially early on. I
Speaker 1: got the early ask, this is this is a big deal.
Speaker 1: I should add a couple of things to my bio,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate you uh espousing all of my uh
Speaker 1: my records and whatnot. I was also McDonald's game m
Speaker 1: v P. I like to point that out. I like
Speaker 1: to point that out, and you forgot two very somewhat
Speaker 1: forgettable months that I spent in Milwaukee in between the
Speaker 1: Magic and the Clippers. In between the Magic and the Clippers,
Speaker 1: actually enjoyed Milwaukee, the city just from a basketball perspective,
Speaker 1: wasn't my best. It wasn't my best. Heavily respect that
Speaker 1: j J asked as someone who I view as a
Speaker 1: pioneer in this space. Um, we're talking um current athletes
Speaker 1: doing a podcast. I think you've been doing one now
Speaker 1: for what the last four or five years throughout the
Speaker 1: well the last four or five years of your career,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of where I'm at. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: I think I'll go another five six years and then
Speaker 1: kind of start transitioning out. Um, but what advice do
Speaker 1: you have for myself and other players that's trying to
Speaker 1: break into this space and stay consistent while continuing to
Speaker 1: play at a high level. It's a great question because
Speaker 1: I know that you previously tried to do a podcast
Speaker 1: and you did a few episodes, and that's the first
Speaker 1: piece of advice. If you're gonna do this and do
Speaker 1: it right, you have to be consistent. Even prior to
Speaker 1: us launching Old Man in the three last summer in August,
Speaker 1: in the middle of the bubble. I had done three
Speaker 1: seasons with The Ringer, and I only did about twenty
Speaker 1: five or thirty episodes a year, and unless it was
Speaker 1: a big big name, the viewership, the listenership, the ad revenue,
Speaker 1: all that stuff, it wasn't consistent. The only time it
Speaker 1: was consistent previously was when I launched the first one,
Speaker 1: which was with Yahoo. I did forty I think forty
Speaker 1: one episodes and it was forty one straight weeks, and
Speaker 1: I saw the audience grow, I saw the community grow.
Speaker 1: I made a little money doing that, but it's hard
Speaker 1: as an NBA player, And we have Duncan Robinson under
Speaker 1: our umbrella, our our podcast umbrella, and look he's He
Speaker 1: was in the middle of the slump and was like,
Speaker 1: I need to take two weeks off. By all means,
Speaker 1: basketball is first, and I said that. I said that
Speaker 1: the very first episode back in February of two thousand
Speaker 1: and sixteen. I said, look, if this ever interferes with basketball,
Speaker 1: I'm out. I'm out. Basketball is my number one priority,
Speaker 1: and I expect that it will be the same for you.
Speaker 1: But the consistency is key. I appreciate that because for me,
Speaker 1: like you said, doing it the first time that I
Speaker 1: tried it, You're right, Like I did it one week
Speaker 1: and then I'm like, my schedule don't really work this week,
Speaker 1: I can't really fit. Then maybe we can go next week,
Speaker 1: and before you know it, it's been one episode in
Speaker 1: a month. And then you know, after that month, we
Speaker 1: try to come back around and do it again, and
Speaker 1: and then, and the consistency wasn't there. But I also,
Speaker 1: I mean that had to be maybe five four or
Speaker 1: five years ago. Now. I also wasn't in a place
Speaker 1: in my career where I truly understood the ind and
Speaker 1: outs of the NBA, the in and out of the schedule, um,
Speaker 1: how to how to really manage my time. I didn't
Speaker 1: understand any of that, and so it ended up being
Speaker 1: an absolute struggle. And I told myself, I said I
Speaker 1: would not get back in the podcast game until I
Speaker 1: am ready to manage to schedule, until I am ready
Speaker 1: to fully commit to it. Because in my mind, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I sucked this up once. Like you don't get many
Speaker 1: chances to suck something up and still have an opportunity
Speaker 1: to do it later, and so I sucked this up once.
Speaker 1: I have to get it right this time. So to
Speaker 1: that point, I I really experienced this in the last
Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen months with old Man in the three because
Speaker 1: at one point when we first launched, we you know,
Speaker 1: we were starting from zero. We had to we had
Speaker 1: to take we couldn't take our RSS feed. I didn't
Speaker 1: know the only I p on the previous iteration and
Speaker 1: JJ Briddick podcast, So we were starting with a subscriber
Speaker 1: base of zero, an audience of zero. Um, so we
Speaker 1: were pumping out a ton of content. Originally, we were
Speaker 1: doing like two weeks an episode for the first three
Speaker 1: or four months. Once the season started, we went back
Speaker 1: to once a week, and I feel like you get
Speaker 1: into a rhythm and generally speaking, we record on Monday
Speaker 1: or Tuesday, we pump it out Wednesday or Thursday, and
Speaker 1: you you do all the prep work, which takes time.
Speaker 1: You know, I do all the prep work. I do
Speaker 1: all the creative, the writing, all that stuff that takes time,
Speaker 1: and that could take anywhere from an hour to three hours,
Speaker 1: depending on the guests. And then you record the episode,
Speaker 1: which is an hour. You have your team edited, they
Speaker 1: do the breakout videos, all that stuff, and then you
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about it for four or five days,
Speaker 1: decreases in priority, and then Sunday night, Sunday night, You're like,
Speaker 1: all right, I gotta get back on this ship. I
Speaker 1: gotta figure that. All right, we got this person this week.
Speaker 1: Let me start prepping. I carry my phone around me
Speaker 1: with me. Obviously. If I have an idea for the guest,
Speaker 1: I pump it in my notes and then I do
Speaker 1: all my prep work, usually day of. To be honest
Speaker 1: with you, I like having everything fresh in my mind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the other piece of advice, And I don't really need
Speaker 1: to give you this piece of advice, but I thought
Speaker 1: of this as you were talking. You know, one of
Speaker 1: the reasons I started this was because I wanted to
Speaker 1: control the narrative. And you've seen You've seen your guy
Speaker 1: Katie start his own podcast, and he's been big on
Speaker 1: controlling the narrative around him. I wanted to control my
Speaker 1: own narrative. But I also wanted to to learn how
Speaker 1: to own my own voice. And that is a skill.
Speaker 1: That is a skill, and it's not a skill that
Speaker 1: happens immediately. I think you're at the place in your
Speaker 1: career and in your life where you've done that any
Speaker 1: of time I've seen you in a press conference or
Speaker 1: on appearance with Turner, Like, I know who Draymond is,
Speaker 1: You're You're consistent with who you are, and I think
Speaker 1: the audience always responds to someone owning their voice. I
Speaker 1: appreciate that. That's, you know, That's something that I've been
Speaker 1: big on is just wanted to stay myself and not
Speaker 1: do anything that kind of drags me away from that.
Speaker 1: So I definitely appreciate that. But speaking in the lights
Speaker 1: of we're just speaking on basketball. Obviously, you and I
Speaker 1: both know. It's funny. We were in practice today and
Speaker 1: and one of the coaches came with to me and
Speaker 1: he's like, hey man, it just dawned him. He's like,
Speaker 1: do you realize everyone in the NBA can hit the
Speaker 1: through today? Like literally every guy in the league. Because
Speaker 1: shooting is at such a premium that if you watch
Speaker 1: any guys workouts, they're shooting, they're shooting three pointers. Um,
Speaker 1: I mean you have Dwight Howard. I watched one of
Speaker 1: Dwight Howard's workouts. It literally consisted of mostly three point shots,
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure if I agree with that. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously Dwight's a Hall of famers. So no disrespect to Dwight,
Speaker 1: but that's the league that we're in. It it's so
Speaker 1: three point heavy. But for yourself, who is one of
Speaker 1: the greatest um three point shooters that we've seen in
Speaker 1: this league? Who do you rank in your top five
Speaker 1: three point shooters to come through this league? That's easy,
Speaker 1: that's easy. Steph is first, respect that everybody else is
Speaker 1: way down the list. To me, uh, in no particular
Speaker 1: order that the other four it's Clay, Kyle Corver, Ray Allen,
Speaker 1: Reggie Miller. To me, those are the guys because when
Speaker 1: we talk about great shooters, Yeah, I don't want to
Speaker 1: disparage the previous iteration of three point shooters in the
Speaker 1: eighties or the nineties, but those guys were not shooting
Speaker 1: the shots we take today. Those guys were not taking
Speaker 1: the difficult shots we were taking, nor were they shooting
Speaker 1: it at the volume. So, yes, a guy like Tim
Speaker 1: Leger great shoot or he shot I think fifty five
Speaker 1: point six percent one year to lead the but he
Speaker 1: wasn't shooting the shots Clay was shooting. He's not shooting
Speaker 1: the shots of Kyle Korver was shooting. And that's not
Speaker 1: a knock on Tim, that's it was a different game
Speaker 1: and the game is involved, and now we put such
Speaker 1: a premium on generating three point looks. It's not just
Speaker 1: about the quality of the look. It's the it's the
Speaker 1: it's the volume of looks. If if Steph Curry and
Speaker 1: and Tom Happitstrow always talks about this. I think steps
Speaker 1: up to like fifteen, almost fifteen a game this year.
Speaker 1: Tom's Tom has always been like Steph needs to shoot
Speaker 1: twenty a game because because you do the math on that,
Speaker 1: those those twenty shots equal about twenty seven points on
Speaker 1: average on average. Yeah. No, I think it's funny because
Speaker 1: I was talking to Bob Myers a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: ago and he was telling me like, no, Steps, three
Speaker 1: point shots are getting up. But all of my analytical
Speaker 1: guys tell me every time I asked him like coming
Speaker 1: threes or stuff, that it. Yeah, he saw my analytical guys.
Speaker 1: They tell me, well, he's getting up there, but we
Speaker 1: need him at twenty a game like number one, twenty
Speaker 1: three point shots a game that is brutal on the body. Man. Yes,
Speaker 1: he's already putting he's already putting in enough work to
Speaker 1: get his shot off, to get his clips off absolutely,
Speaker 1: and and that's a lot of work on the body.
Speaker 1: But I think it is very interesting of where we
Speaker 1: see the league going. I remember going back to my
Speaker 1: man first to three years four years of the league.
Speaker 1: Everybody's like they're jump shooting team. You can never win
Speaker 1: that way, you can never win shot the jump shots there.
Speaker 1: And within one year we went from like taking the
Speaker 1: most threes to like sixteenth in the league because everybody's like,
Speaker 1: oh man, we need to say more threes. So it's
Speaker 1: been very interesting to see that growth in the game.
Speaker 1: But something you just said, um really hit home with
Speaker 1: me and and comparing the older generation to the newer
Speaker 1: generation and how the game actually worked, because like you
Speaker 1: see all the numbers of Steph pass Sin Reggie Miller
Speaker 1: and going to pass reality so that he's done it
Speaker 1: in like half the amount of games. And it's gonna
Speaker 1: be interesting because, as you just said, I and I
Speaker 1: agree step the way he goes about things. Um, I
Speaker 1: don't wanna I don't want to disrespect any other shooter
Speaker 1: as as someone who's not a shooter myself, but I
Speaker 1: think Steff is like in a farly different category than
Speaker 1: anyone else just because of the difficulty of shots. He's
Speaker 1: shooting him off the drill, but he's shooting him off
Speaker 1: to catch, he's shooting him off the spot. He's shooting
Speaker 1: him now, he's shoot him from thirty feet out each
Speaker 1: and every time he shoots the ball. But when you
Speaker 1: look at a guy like Trey Young, Um, a guy
Speaker 1: like Donovan Mitchell, these guys who's coming too the league
Speaker 1: taking threes at this rate from the very beginning of
Speaker 1: their career, They're gonna pass steps number in five Hunter games.
Speaker 1: And yet I don't think that's necessarily going to tell
Speaker 1: the story of Steph being the greatest shooter alive and
Speaker 1: the greatest shooter ever. But yeah, he changed the game. Like,
Speaker 1: what's your take going net, Well, so I was going
Speaker 1: to bring this up when you were talking earlier, just
Speaker 1: about your first few years and them saying jump shooting
Speaker 1: teams can't win. When I look at the evolution of
Speaker 1: the three point shot, the two teams I think of
Speaker 1: that sort of started this where the Phoenix Suns with
Speaker 1: Steve Bash and Quentin Richardson, Joe Johnson, Shawn Marion, and
Speaker 1: then my Orlando Magic teams, which by accident we ended
Speaker 1: up starting Rochard and Turk together because Tony Patty heard
Speaker 1: his shoulder in training camp. So we were four out,
Speaker 1: one in with Dwight. If you look at the numbers
Speaker 1: of those teams, those teams would be at the bottom
Speaker 1: of the league right now in three point attempts, bottom
Speaker 1: of the league. To your point about Trey and Donovan
Speaker 1: and and just really the next generation of players, I'm
Speaker 1: fifteenth right now in three pointers made all time. Right
Speaker 1: in ten years, I'll be outside the top fifty. Probably
Speaker 1: I'm being realistic on that. I mean, it's the volume
Speaker 1: is is so different now. The other thing I would
Speaker 1: say about Steph to your point about him, the shots
Speaker 1: he takes. My bag generally was coming to my right shoulder,
Speaker 1: left right plant. You know this, Everything was run on
Speaker 1: the left side, me coming left right plant, shooting over
Speaker 1: that shoulder, away from the defense so they couldn't bother
Speaker 1: my shot, all right? Then alpha d hose and and
Speaker 1: sort of step up pick and rolls a one or
Speaker 1: two dribble, pull up three. That was my bag, right,
Speaker 1: Kyle Corby, a lot of the same right Clay, a
Speaker 1: lot of the same Reggie, a lot of the same
Speaker 1: Ray Allen to a degree, had some off the dribble bounce,
Speaker 1: but at the end of his career when he was
Speaker 1: shooting a lot of threes, a lot of the same Steph,
Speaker 1: it's everywhere. The only guy, the only guy that shoots
Speaker 1: it even remotely like stuff. And I'm not saying one's
Speaker 1: better than the other, that he's that far behind. Stuff
Speaker 1: is Dame name is the only guy to me that
Speaker 1: in some way emulates what Staff does from the three
Speaker 1: point line. I agree on it's interesting that you say
Speaker 1: you in five, seven, five or seven years you'll you
Speaker 1: will be at fifty. And that's interesting because it's actually
Speaker 1: gonna be some guys hirer than you that we wouldn't
Speaker 1: consider a shooter, Like, yeah, he can hit the three,
Speaker 1: but we wouldn't really consider him a shooter. And that's
Speaker 1: just kind of where the game is going. But you
Speaker 1: speak of your Orlando Magic team with you, Turke and
Speaker 1: char Leuis, Ryan Anderson end up coming along on that
Speaker 1: team and stretching the floor, Um, Jamir Nelson, guys that
Speaker 1: could really fill it up from out side, but like
Speaker 1: you said, would be at the bottom today. But looking
Speaker 1: back on your career, and obviously we had some battles,
Speaker 1: uh in your clipper days, we're kind of right there
Speaker 1: in that space of man, who's next up in the West, right,
Speaker 1: like it's the Clippers are next up in the West.
Speaker 1: Then you had us coming about like we we we
Speaker 1: want to have something to say about that, And in
Speaker 1: those years we really didn't. You guys think, y'all, y'all
Speaker 1: beat us in the Game seven one year, and y'all
Speaker 1: and y'all really had it going. But what was your
Speaker 1: favorite team uh to play with it that you felt
Speaker 1: like had the best chance to win the championship. Obviously
Speaker 1: y'all went to the finals with Orlando, But I feel
Speaker 1: like some of those Clipper teams, we all thought we'll
Speaker 1: have a legit chance I win a championship. I would
Speaker 1: say this when I look back at my career, the
Speaker 1: years I'm most fond of were my Clipper days for
Speaker 1: a number of reasons. Number one, because we were good.
Speaker 1: Number two because it really was the type of basketball
Speaker 1: that I like, which is you had five guys pretty
Speaker 1: much at all times on the floor that complemented each other.
Speaker 1: It's what makes your team so great. It's what makes
Speaker 1: the Warriors teams so great. The players, the pieces they
Speaker 1: complement each other, they fit together and our and our guys,
Speaker 1: especially those first two years when we had Matt, we
Speaker 1: really fit together. There was there was a and in
Speaker 1: intelligence required to play against us. We were we were
Speaker 1: very smart. We had wink wink nod nods on every
Speaker 1: a t O, on every after free throw play, we
Speaker 1: had a counter to every play. Those were that that's fun.
Speaker 1: Basketball to me is just you know, using your brain
Speaker 1: a little bit too. Honestly, though, the team I thought
Speaker 1: was gonna win was actually the year after we made
Speaker 1: the finals in Orlando, the two thousand ten team. So
Speaker 1: we we finished the regular season thirty three and eight.
Speaker 1: We swept the first two rounds of the playoffs were
Speaker 1: forty one and eight. Going to the conference finals. Boston
Speaker 1: had had a little bit of a rough stretch during
Speaker 1: the regular season with some injuries, so we had home
Speaker 1: court in the conference finals and they win the first
Speaker 1: two games and we're playing catch up the rest of
Speaker 1: the way, were losing game six. But that team, to me,
Speaker 1: that was a lost opportunity. You look back, you know
Speaker 1: you won't have this because you've won, but I'm sure
Speaker 1: you'll look back and say, oh, we we maybe let
Speaker 1: let that one get away. Maybe it was six team
Speaker 1: for you or something like that. You know that that team.
Speaker 1: But I look back and especially those first two years
Speaker 1: before you guys had evolved into the two thousand sixteen
Speaker 1: team and then the two thousand seventeen team with Kevin
Speaker 1: that first year, those first two years with the Clippers,
Speaker 1: those were golden opportunities. We were as good as anybody
Speaker 1: in basketball. I mean, we're we're coming up against you guys,
Speaker 1: and like I said, everybody's kind of attagging y'all as
Speaker 1: the next young guys up to go win championships with
Speaker 1: with yourself and CP DeAndre Blake. UM. I'm now which
Speaker 1: sure which year Matt Barnes was on there, but I
Speaker 1: think that was early on the first two years Matt
Speaker 1: was on those teams. Yep. Absolutely, I mean I think
Speaker 1: y'all definitely had just as good a chance as anyone. UM,
Speaker 1: And I think for me two thousand and sixteen, You're right.
Speaker 1: I'll always beat myself up about that one, and not
Speaker 1: because we lost or not because um like I got
Speaker 1: suspended or or the way it went down. Like, I
Speaker 1: don't have any regrets about any of that stuff. But
Speaker 1: the regret I do have is is how we had
Speaker 1: to go to an opportunity to not only be seventy
Speaker 1: three and uh, but when the NBA Finals put together
Speaker 1: the absolute best year in NBA history and we let
Speaker 1: that one far by the way side, so that won't
Speaker 1: be so. Doc had this comment, and I want to
Speaker 1: touch a little bit on that two thousand and sixteen
Speaker 1: finals because Doc had this comment after you guys won
Speaker 1: in fifteen that winning a championship requires a little bit
Speaker 1: of luck, and of course you got Look, you guys
Speaker 1: are prideful. I think Clay was probably the most outspoken
Speaker 1: about that, um, which he always is. You know, I
Speaker 1: said something the other day on ESPN about you guys
Speaker 1: not not having the hardest schedule. Clay Clay reacted to that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Clay, I'm your biggest fan, dude, chilling bluck out.
Speaker 1: But anyways, when you look back at that sixteen series,
Speaker 1: what Doc was saying was there's certain things that have
Speaker 1: to go in your favor. Uh. You know, I look
Speaker 1: at that the sixer series when we lost to the
Speaker 1: Raptors and Kauai Shop. Yes, that's an unlucky bounce of
Speaker 1: all unlucky bounces. After you look at that sixteen series,
Speaker 1: you guys are up three one, Lebron steps over you,
Speaker 1: you react, You can call that unlucky. You get suspended,
Speaker 1: bo gets banged up, you could call that unlucky. Lebron
Speaker 1: and Kyrie for three straight games play out of their
Speaker 1: fucking minds. Lebron makes one of the greatest blocks defensive
Speaker 1: plays in NBA history. So those are all things that
Speaker 1: went in their favor against you guys, and you lose
Speaker 1: by basically a buzzer beater, right, So but he made
Speaker 1: it with forty seconds or whatever it was on the clock, Kyrie,
Speaker 1: Kyrie step back. So there's so much there's so many
Speaker 1: things that are required to go in your favor, and
Speaker 1: when you start adding up a bunch of things in
Speaker 1: a seven game series, shit happens and you may lose.
Speaker 1: And that that to me, was what kept happening with
Speaker 1: our Clippers teams. You know, you know, fourteen, we're playing
Speaker 1: game five at Okay. See, I think we're up nine
Speaker 1: or eleven with four minutes to go. We make some
Speaker 1: boat like Chris made three plays I've never seen him
Speaker 1: make before, you know, six fill and he threw the
Speaker 1: ball and they didn't call a file yes and then yes,
Speaker 1: So that he makes that play. Then he fouls Westbrook
Speaker 1: on a three. I don't I don't know why we're
Speaker 1: fouling Westbrook on the three. And then we have a chance.
Speaker 1: We're down one, we have a chance to win, and
Speaker 1: he turns the ball over. Have you ever seen CP
Speaker 1: turn the ball over? Doesn't make those mistakes. He doesn't
Speaker 1: make those mistakes, you know. Then fifteen, we're up three one,
Speaker 1: we're at home. We're up nineteen in the second half.
Speaker 1: Josh Smith hit hits three threes in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: Corey Brewer hits two threes in the fourth quarter. We
Speaker 1: lose that game, okay, sixteen Uh, I've talked about this before.
Speaker 1: I don't know that we would have beat you guys.
Speaker 1: But Steph hurts his knee. He's a little banged up.
Speaker 1: There's this window right before we play I think his
Speaker 1: Game four, right before we play Game four, where we're like, oh,
Speaker 1: we got a shot, let's win this game, let's take
Speaker 1: care of business, go home, play the Warriors. Within ten
Speaker 1: minutes in the second half, Blake tears his quad tendon
Speaker 1: and CP breaks his wrist. The following year, in the
Speaker 1: first round, Blake, we're up to one against Utah. Blake tears,
Speaker 1: his plate and his foot like those are the type
Speaker 1: of ship you can't overcome if you want to win
Speaker 1: a championship. So there's there is an element of whatever
Speaker 1: you want to call it, but there is an element
Speaker 1: of luck and and certainly in our league, you have
Speaker 1: to have a Steph Curry. You have to have a
Speaker 1: Lebron James and Kevin Durant to Kawhi Leonard to win.
Speaker 1: But you also have to have some things go in
Speaker 1: your favor in a playoff series. No, you know, coaches
Speaker 1: are used to always say that to us. Actually it's
Speaker 1: like when Marsh come around, you gotta be clicking on
Speaker 1: all cylinders and you always need a little bit of luck.
Speaker 1: Like you said, that's health, that's a bounce block, awhile
Speaker 1: in that that is definitely all of those things. So
Speaker 1: I actually agree. I think we're looking back on and
Speaker 1: now we can all look back on it and say, um,
Speaker 1: we can all look back on it and say Doc
Speaker 1: was one. Right, I think at that time for us
Speaker 1: where it's coming like, oh it's Doc, It's coming from
Speaker 1: the Clippers. We we hateed like we all hate each other, right,
Speaker 1: Like it's this uh North Cow versus So Cow. Thing
Speaker 1: that's coming together. It's the it's the Steph Chris Paul
Speaker 1: thing at the time, you know where it's like, who's
Speaker 1: us Steph coming up to surpass Chris Paul. Chris Paul
Speaker 1: kind of raised stuff with the whole North Carolina ties,
Speaker 1: and so I think once you look at all of
Speaker 1: that back then it's like, oh, Harris doc slightness, right,
Speaker 1: like Harris Doc taking a shot at us. But looking
Speaker 1: back on it, no one accurate. You definitely need a
Speaker 1: little bit of luck and some things to go your way.
Speaker 1: But j J, you have You've had the opportunity to
Speaker 1: play with two incredible well probably more, but two for short,
Speaker 1: incredible big man and Dwight Howard, who is one of
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer who was actually left off that uh
Speaker 1: that NBA seventy five lists, which I thought was fucking
Speaker 1: ridiculous because if you're leaving him off that list, you're
Speaker 1: leaving him off the list because of his last five years, right,
Speaker 1: But you can't be leaving him off that list due
Speaker 1: to what he did in those first eleven years and
Speaker 1: in the last five years, whoop he do He hasn't
Speaker 1: been the player that he was, but he won a
Speaker 1: fucking championships. So he really stamped that resume. Regardless of
Speaker 1: how you want to talk about it or say, oh,
Speaker 1: well he wasn't the start of that team or whatever,
Speaker 1: he fucking won a championship. He contributed that championship after
Speaker 1: essentially reviving his whole career, having to revive, you know,
Speaker 1: just I mean really revived. He was buying, buying, buying
Speaker 1: into a role he had that wasn't his role for
Speaker 1: his first left in years, and that that took a
Speaker 1: few seasons to get there, but he bought into that role.
Speaker 1: So I said this on my podcast, I dude, that
Speaker 1: was the most egregious error. And and I'm there's a
Speaker 1: bunch of guys you can make an argument for. I
Speaker 1: could go down the list, and I know Clay's been
Speaker 1: joking around wearing seventy seven practice or whatever, but like
Speaker 1: that's not in a front to Clay or you, or
Speaker 1: Tracy McGrady or Bins or anybody else. But Dwight was
Speaker 1: the guy that should have been on that list. And
Speaker 1: and I always say this narrative matters so much. And
Speaker 1: there's there's two things that happened in Dwight's career. You
Speaker 1: just mentioned one, which is starting sort of in Houston,
Speaker 1: there was a narrative around him as a teammate, as
Speaker 1: a leader, UM. And then the second thing is he
Speaker 1: was the best player in two thousand eleven. He was
Speaker 1: second an m VP that your Derrick Rose got it.
Speaker 1: But if by any advanced metric, Dwight was the best
Speaker 1: player in the league that year, but be because the
Speaker 1: Bulls had this incredible turnaround. Derek sort of came out
Speaker 1: of nowhere that year. And and I'm not discrediting Derek's
Speaker 1: MVP by any means, but had Dwight won the m
Speaker 1: v P that year, you couldn't have left him off
Speaker 1: the list. Couldn't have couldn't have no, And that is
Speaker 1: a fact. But when you say that, out of the
Speaker 1: guys you play with, UM, Dwight and Joel who I
Speaker 1: also think as an incredible young bid. Not quite Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer yet because he has to continue to step
Speaker 1: that stamp that resume and and add on to it Um,
Speaker 1: but definitely has Hall of Fame potential, has the game.
Speaker 1: But with those guys too, two totally different bigs though,
Speaker 1: like Dwight's catching lives and and at that time in Orlando,
Speaker 1: like you would dump the ball into the post to
Speaker 1: Dwite and you know he jump pugs, but not as
Speaker 1: heavy as as Joel like. I mean, the whole entire
Speaker 1: offense is ran around Joel in Philly. But what what
Speaker 1: were your like, your experience a plan with those two
Speaker 1: guys too, I think different experiences, but a little similar.
Speaker 1: I think the similarity between the two is that in
Speaker 1: different ways, by the way, but the similarity is they
Speaker 1: could anchor a top five defense when they were on
Speaker 1: the floor. You know Dwight and his prime and certainly
Speaker 1: Joel now he can anchor a top five defense. You
Speaker 1: can put four smart players around them and you can
Speaker 1: have a top five defense. Offensively, very different. And even
Speaker 1: though we did throw the ball to to Dwight a lot,
Speaker 1: a lot of his strength was based on his the
Speaker 1: way he moved, his quickness, his explosiveness. That's not really
Speaker 1: Joel's game. Joel can certainly is certainly nimble. I would
Speaker 1: describe him as agile and nimble. But Joel's skill at
Speaker 1: his size, I mean, you could probably name two or
Speaker 1: three guys in NBA history at his size that can
Speaker 1: do the things he does. And so it was, it was,
Speaker 1: it was a very different experience playing with both, but
Speaker 1: it was it was a very rewarding experience because you know,
Speaker 1: as you know, playing against me, like I thrived when
Speaker 1: I had a five to play two man with and
Speaker 1: and you know, I started running maybe my fourth year.
Speaker 1: My fourth year, I started running that elbow action on
Speaker 1: the left side with Dwight. You know where I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get a d H l If the big steps up,
Speaker 1: I'm throwing the pocket pass. If the big lays back,
Speaker 1: I gotta pull up Jay going to my right hand.
Speaker 1: And I had that with Joel. We evolved it with Joel.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I was the first to do this,
Speaker 1: but that inverted screening roll. So you know when everybody
Speaker 1: started top locking me and I'm not, you're not you're
Speaker 1: not coming off to your right hand. Well, my guy's
Speaker 1: got his back turn Dwight's gut can't see me, or
Speaker 1: Joel's guy can't see me, and I would just gently
Speaker 1: walk my guy into into Joel's defense under and he's
Speaker 1: so smart. He he had like this innate sense because
Speaker 1: you know, his backs turned to me. He had this
Speaker 1: innate sense when he turned of when I was being
Speaker 1: top block and he'd come off and get a dunk.
Speaker 1: I also ran that a little bit with with Ben,
Speaker 1: but obviously that's more of a one two inverted action,
Speaker 1: which which a lot of teams run. But that inverted
Speaker 1: big pick and roll was was sort of the the evolution.
Speaker 1: And truthfully, Dwight probably couldn't have done that. He didn't
Speaker 1: have He didn't have the ball skills and the dribbling
Speaker 1: skills to really pull that off. Um, but those are
Speaker 1: I go down the list of the best players I
Speaker 1: played with, and Dwight and Joel are at or near
Speaker 1: the top of the list. No, that's that's that's beautiful.
Speaker 1: And for all our listeners out there, Um, we are
Speaker 1: headed into Thanksgiving in a couple of days. J J
Speaker 1: has a houseful coming tomorrow, so we have to let
Speaker 1: j J go. I can sit here and talk basketball
Speaker 1: with you all day. As as an incredible um basketball
Speaker 1: mind that you are, but also as as the incredible
Speaker 1: radio TV personality that you have become, I think it's beautiful.
Speaker 1: You are extremely intellectual, you know the game in and out,
Speaker 1: and and your resume obviously speaks for yourself. So I'll
Speaker 1: let you out of here on this one. Um, tough,
Speaker 1: tough do guys fear Lebron more on the court, or
Speaker 1: are they fearing going up against you on TV? Because
Speaker 1: you're obviously fucking trending for killing people. Man, What's what's
Speaker 1: more to fear here? In j J. I think this
Speaker 1: takes the conversation full circle, actually, and that's just that's
Speaker 1: owning your voice, owning your truth. And you know, my
Speaker 1: truth is based upon two things, my experience. So obviously
Speaker 1: my truth is very personal, but it's also based on observation.
Speaker 1: And there are objective facts that you cannot deny. There
Speaker 1: are objective facts that you cannot deny. So I try
Speaker 1: to sort of fit in those facts where I can.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to go after anybody, but if I
Speaker 1: disagree with something, I'll let it be known. I'll let
Speaker 1: it be known Dre before before I get off a
Speaker 1: lot of people. By the way, I know you've got
Speaker 1: a lot of basketball letift in you. But a lot
Speaker 1: of people have said to me, you and Draymond need
Speaker 1: to do the version of the Manning Brothers Monday Night
Speaker 1: Football when Draymond's retired. So just keep that in mind.
Speaker 1: In five years or six years, whatever you're done, all right,
Speaker 1: I'll definitely keep that in mind, man, I I know
Speaker 1: today you going as Stephen A. Uh, who I love man,
Speaker 1: He's yeah, I said this up. So I recorded, uh
Speaker 1: the intro to our podcast for this week, and we
Speaker 1: we touched on a little. Tommy brought it up and
Speaker 1: I said, this man like Stephen A, I think is
Speaker 1: one of, if not the most talented person on television, sports, politics, entertainment.
Speaker 1: He has a real talent. It has been so entertaining
Speaker 1: for me and and truthfully like enjoyable to sit across
Speaker 1: the table from him. You have a I've done Stephen
Speaker 1: for a long time. We all have. When you have
Speaker 1: a conversation with him off air, as soon as we
Speaker 1: hear that ten second mark, he goes to the character
Speaker 1: and it's it's a tornado and it is it is
Speaker 1: so beautiful to watch and it's it's it's it's just
Speaker 1: it's very rewarding to be on screen with him and
Speaker 1: to be able to chat hoops with him. Now, that's
Speaker 1: that's beautiful. I I think I've had a similar experience
Speaker 1: in working with Chuck, like just suck fucking sits there
Speaker 1: and text he sits there and talk shit like I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's you know the game's going on, you're kind
Speaker 1: of sitting in the bat I'm sitting there watching, taking notes, uh,
Speaker 1: dripping stuff down to my phone, sending stuff to the producer,
Speaker 1: getting ready for my segment. Chuck's over here fucking watching
Speaker 1: the dating show. And I'm like, this fucking guy sitting
Speaker 1: here watching the dating show and meanwhile he's going to
Speaker 1: go out here we're gonna talk basketball, and he knows
Speaker 1: everything that's going on. It's like this uncanny ability that
Speaker 1: they have and extremely um honored to to work alongside
Speaker 1: a guy like that, as you're working alongside Stephen Ay.
Speaker 1: But as far as that, um and I'll let you
Speaker 1: out of here. As far as that many brother Eli
Speaker 1: and Payton obviously, I did that a few days or
Speaker 1: last week, and I mean it was incredible. Number One,
Speaker 1: I'm fucking sitting on TV talking to Peyton Manny, Payton
Speaker 1: and Eli Manny, like, are you fucking kidding me? That?
Speaker 1: That in itself was incredible for me. But I watched
Speaker 1: the game last night. I watched uh funk Who's playing?
Speaker 1: Whoever was playing last night? I watched that game. I
Speaker 1: watched I watched the Painton Elive UH cast. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't really, I didn't even watch the normal broadcast.
Speaker 1: That's so entertaining. Uh. And I think you're on something,
Speaker 1: j J. I would love to sit there talk sports
Speaker 1: with you. Uh, talk that actual game with you, but
Speaker 1: also just talking sports. I think it's beautiful. I think
Speaker 1: we have two totally different perspectives. Whereas yours coming from
Speaker 1: more of I'm more of a playmaker. UM do all
Speaker 1: the dirty work. You're coming off lighting everybody else. So
Speaker 1: I think our perspectives we'll match. And I would be
Speaker 1: honored to sit in a in a room with with
Speaker 1: a goat like yourself and talk basketball. Man. We'll make
Speaker 1: it happen. We'll make it happening with j J. We we.
Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough for coming on this week's
Speaker 1: episode of The Draymond Green Show. UM, I am looking
Speaker 1: forward to coming on old Man in the three. We'll
Speaker 1: talk some more ship, we'll talk a bunch of basketball,
Speaker 1: but I'm looking forward to it. Thanks a lot for
Speaker 1: coming on, j J. Yeah, this is fun. Thanks appreciated, man.
Speaker 1: Thank you. As we know, I've had my fair share
Speaker 1: throughout the course of my career over these last nine
Speaker 1: years now ten and the NBA This segment will be
Speaker 1: called tech Support. I am extremely excited about this segment
Speaker 1: because at some one as particular as I am every year,
Speaker 1: I would go through and like I would write my
Speaker 1: text down, I'd be like, yeah, I deserve this one.
Speaker 1: I definitely deserved this one, and I got my money's
Speaker 1: worth this one. On the other hand, I didn't quite
Speaker 1: deserve this one, and this one should probably be rescinded.
Speaker 1: I've actually had these conversations with the League office before
Speaker 1: of my entire list of text like yeah, this one,
Speaker 1: this is exactly what happened, and I'm the thing about it.
Speaker 1: I'm always gonna be honest. I take pride in my
Speaker 1: text and I actually enjoy getting and when I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get them. And then I also am honest when
Speaker 1: that I didn't quite deserve that tech But this is
Speaker 1: tech support And in honor of Russ not knowing that
Speaker 1: he got at Tech. First of all, Russ, you fucking
Speaker 1: squared up with the guy or whoever he was squaring
Speaker 1: up with. How the hell did Russ now know he
Speaker 1: got at Tech? Like that's I mean, I guess there
Speaker 1: was a lot going on. But in honor a Russ
Speaker 1: not knowing he got a tech We will kick off
Speaker 1: the tech Supports segment of The Draymond Green Show, and
Speaker 1: I think it will get a little interesting and a
Speaker 1: little spicy depending on some of these Texas as we
Speaker 1: embark on this new journey of tech support. Okay, Dre
Speaker 1: for this one. This took place January, so last season.
Speaker 1: It comes after you were bringing the ball up, trying
Speaker 1: to get get the ball to James Wiseman in the post.
Speaker 1: But if a turnover, whose fault is it? Yours are his?
Speaker 1: And you come back down the court when you guys
Speaker 1: are backing up on defense, you're yelling at him. It
Speaker 1: seems like you're yelling at at Wiseman and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, your teeth up. Walk us through this play.
Speaker 1: Here we are as you can see. Um, it's sixty
Speaker 1: fifty five second quarter with a minute in ten seconds
Speaker 1: to go, And how I am trying to make a
Speaker 1: post feed to James Wiseman that if you hold your
Speaker 1: man off, if he's sitting on the top side, you
Speaker 1: hold him off. He goes for that. Still, you guys,
Speaker 1: dune and you're more than capable of holding him. Offer.
Speaker 1: So I'm telling him asn't running back down the court,
Speaker 1: hold your position, and he says something back. I can't
Speaker 1: really recall what he's saying back. But then as he
Speaker 1: said something back, I then yell. I yelled something back
Speaker 1: to him, and as you can see right here, I'm
Speaker 1: coming back. We're retreating back on defense and the official
Speaker 1: at the top of the screen blows his whistle and
Speaker 1: give me a tack. And man, I mean I was
Speaker 1: bout for number one. You're trailing to play. There's no
Speaker 1: way you can hear. I'm the first person on the court.
Speaker 1: I turned the ball over. There's no way you can
Speaker 1: really make out what I'm truly saying, which is why
Speaker 1: you got it completely wrong, because it's it's too far
Speaker 1: away from you. It's it definitely. It clearly wasn't enough
Speaker 1: to get attacked, as we know, but uh, I was.
Speaker 1: I was pretty fustrated by this one because you know,
Speaker 1: we're playing a New York Knicks team who's having having
Speaker 1: a pretty good year. UM, and you know it's it's
Speaker 1: an important game for us, and yet I get thrown
Speaker 1: out of the game right before halftime inadvertently. UM. It's
Speaker 1: pretty frustrating because for me personally, I am going to
Speaker 1: get my fair share attacks. I am going to at
Speaker 1: times give you reasons to to give me a TECH
Speaker 1: or two, and so in this situation, I just like
Speaker 1: to earn the tech. I like to earn the injection.
Speaker 1: And like I said, you know, and you know, to
Speaker 1: the league's credit, and in their defense, they reached out
Speaker 1: immediately said it was a mistake. They were re sending
Speaker 1: the fund, They're resending check and so no harm there,
Speaker 1: no harm, no file there. But to get kicked out
Speaker 1: of the game and missed the rest of that game,
Speaker 1: which can alter an entire season. I thought there should
Speaker 1: have been something there where they can say, yeah, that
Speaker 1: was and then inverting whistle of mistake and I can
Speaker 1: stay in the game. But and yet you know that
Speaker 1: rule hasn't been changed. So whatever, remember that. I'll come
Speaker 1: at that game. I do not remember the outcome of
Speaker 1: the game. I'm a technical foul. You guys were down
Speaker 1: by five, lost the game four, which is crazy. By
Speaker 1: the way, I can make up fifteen points and a half,
Speaker 1: and not that I'm gonna score the fifteen points, but
Speaker 1: I can definitely make up those fifteen points. So that
Speaker 1: was pretty frustrating. Meanwhile, maybe if we don't lose that game.
Speaker 1: We're not in the playing game, then we make the
Speaker 1: playoffs or whatever. You never know, So just saying, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a little frustrating. As we as we continue on
Speaker 1: through the tech support journey, UM, wrapping up the wrapping
Speaker 1: up the tech support, I will be giving you a
Speaker 1: rating on a scale of one to ten of the
Speaker 1: bullshit meter, or whether I actually deserved the tech or not.
Speaker 1: And in honor of kicking this segment off, in honor
Speaker 1: of the league, admitting that it was a mistake and
Speaker 1: me getting my money back and getting that that individual
Speaker 1: tech rescinded, this has to be a ten on the
Speaker 1: on on the bullshit of dometer. Um, it's of ten.
Speaker 1: By the way, there will be ones that if this
Speaker 1: is a ten, there will be ones that's probably tilting
Speaker 1: towards the negative side of the scale because I went
Speaker 1: extremely over the top to get it, and that's okay.
Speaker 1: But in honor of tech support, this is one of
Speaker 1: ten on the bullshit the Dometer of texts, because we
Speaker 1: all know I didn't deserve this one. There's been a
Speaker 1: bunch of chatter about UM break out seasons, about guys
Speaker 1: who have taken into another level. I actually have the
Speaker 1: honor of playing with a guy who I think is
Speaker 1: having a breakout season most improved player of worthy season, um,
Speaker 1: And and it's a huge part to our success that
Speaker 1: we're having uh my rook Jordan Pool, um who I
Speaker 1: as I said, I think it's definitely the most improved
Speaker 1: player in this league with the strides that he's made
Speaker 1: UM from his rookie year to now. It's incredible, and
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's I find it funny. Jordan
Speaker 1: Number one, Jordan Pool is one of the hardest working
Speaker 1: guys that I've played with. The kid lives in the gym,
Speaker 1: always working on this game. Since the time that he
Speaker 1: came here to go to the State. He's been a
Speaker 1: worker and works his asshole. So it's no surprise to
Speaker 1: me that he's having the success that he's having because
Speaker 1: when you work the way he worked, you're going to
Speaker 1: have success. I mean, that's just you know, that's what
Speaker 1: it boils down to, and so you got you gotta
Speaker 1: put the work in. I am thrilled at the success
Speaker 1: that he's having, and I must say, Um, you know,
Speaker 1: I can talk about the hard work. I can try
Speaker 1: to pinpoint one specific game where I'm like that guy,
Speaker 1: he has it. Well, you've always known you can score
Speaker 1: the ball, You've always known how he can shoot the ball,
Speaker 1: and he had that. But one thing that Jordan's did
Speaker 1: that showed me he's gonna be all right in this
Speaker 1: league actually happened in training camp of his rookie year,
Speaker 1: wearing camp and he's talking shipped to everybody. He's talking
Speaker 1: and me, personally, that's what I do. I talk ship,
Speaker 1: So I don't mind, like talk as much as you want.
Speaker 1: At some point, I would probably say something to hurt
Speaker 1: your feelers and stop you from talking ship, but by
Speaker 1: all means say whatever the hell you want to say. Well,
Speaker 1: other guys in the league, they guys don't really take
Speaker 1: too well to young guys talking ship, and I can
Speaker 1: it called. You know, my fresh my rookie year, I
Speaker 1: came into the league talking ship to everyone, and guys
Speaker 1: hated me. I mean, Katie Russ like that Thunder team was.
Speaker 1: They really hated young guys coming and talking. And I
Speaker 1: used to talk crazy to everybody just whatever. That's just
Speaker 1: how I grew up. Jordan came into camp talking ship
Speaker 1: to everybody, and I remember one day him and Glenn Robinson,
Speaker 1: the third who's Also I went to that other school
Speaker 1: down the way they got into it, and and like,
Speaker 1: all the guys are coming to me. This is what
Speaker 1: two thousand and nineteen were, twenty season, and all these
Speaker 1: guys are coming to me, like, tell him to shut up.
Speaker 1: His young guys always got something to say, and they're
Speaker 1: asking me to tell him to shut up. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna tell him to shut up. If you
Speaker 1: can't hand him talking ship, that's on you. Like y'all
Speaker 1: shut him up. At that moment though, the way he
Speaker 1: was getting under guy skin, I appreciated that. And you know,
Speaker 1: you couple that with the hard work that he puts
Speaker 1: in and the mind of skill that he has, and
Speaker 1: there is a recipe for a guy who's going to
Speaker 1: be successful in this league. And so more so than
Speaker 1: any basketball moment for me, uh, knowing that Jordan's kind
Speaker 1: of had it inside of him and what it takes,
Speaker 1: it was more so that moment of him getting under
Speaker 1: everyone's skin and all the guys piste off because he's
Speaker 1: a young guy. Um he's because he's a young guy
Speaker 1: talking ship to them and and and you know, if
Speaker 1: he's not playing well, then you just tell him shut up.
Speaker 1: Figure it out, like you you you're not doing whatever,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. But he was playing well and letting
Speaker 1: them hear about it. And so for me, that was
Speaker 1: the moment where I'm like, oh, like he I like him,
Speaker 1: Like he got some shipped to him, and I think
Speaker 1: in order to be great, you have to have some
Speaker 1: shipped to you. And so I am extremely thrilled to
Speaker 1: see his growth since coming into this league. It's in outible.
Speaker 1: I look forward to him hosting that Most Improved Player
Speaker 1: of trophy at the end of this season because he's
Speaker 1: having that type of year. And as I said before,
Speaker 1: you put the work in, you get the results, and
Speaker 1: he pushed the work in, which means he'll continue to
Speaker 1: get better as this season go along and he'll hoist
Speaker 1: that trophy at the end of the year. And that
Speaker 1: is a rap on this episode of The Draymond Green Show.
Speaker 1: Second episode, will continue to go, will continue to get better,
Speaker 1: and we'll continue to talk that ship. From this week
Speaker 1: of The Draymond Green Show, I'm out peace and Livervid livid, Livid, livid,