1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. We're all about 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: that high school drama. Girl Drama, Girl, all about them 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a ride at 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: our comic girl sharing for the drama Queens up Girl Fashion. 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,240 Speaker 1: But you'll tough. Girls. You could sit with us Girl Drama, 6 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: Queen's Drama, Queen's Drama, Queen's Drama, John mc Queen's Drama, 7 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: Queen's Guys. This is one of my favorite things about 8 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: being able to do our job from home is that 9 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: we can still cool spend time with our family, quality time. 10 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: Hillary's got George on our lap right now, and you 11 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 1: are tuned into our households um right now. We just 12 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: finished watching episode twenty Lifetime Piling up Air date made tenth, 13 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: two thousand and five. Sophia, give us a synopsis what 14 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: happened in this episode? Okay, Joe, I'll take it away. 15 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: While Nathan is unconscious in the hospital after his car 16 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: accident at the crash No. After his car accident at 17 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: the track with Uncle Cooper, he has a dream sequence 18 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: of an alternative life where the roles are completely switched. 19 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: Lucas is the cocky jock with Peyton, while his parents 20 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: Karen and Dan are married. Nathan's bff is Haley, and 21 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: his mom, Deb runs her own cafe, which is actually 22 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: a bar called Deb's Den. The boy's rivalry comes to 23 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: a head while they compete for a spot in the 24 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: elite basketball camp High Flyers. You guys, we've had so 25 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 1: many stinker episodes in a row, like so oh man, 26 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: it's a hard thing to cover week to week, but 27 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: this one felt like digging out of the hole. It 28 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: was like, what can we do to get away from this? 29 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: Like awful? You know subject, but you know what she asked. 30 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: It's a very perfect question which listeners want to know. 31 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: What are you talking what we're talking about two brothers 32 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: that played basketball. It was a weird episode. You nailed it, 33 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: but you're right. And that's the thing. It broke us 34 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: out of the mold of the cycle that we were 35 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: in trying to solve all these other problems and just 36 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: kind of shore all up, which it was super weird 37 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: to see. But I loved it. I was really excited. 38 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: I loved it. It was nice because it the dream 39 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 1: sequence gave us the opportunity to get out of her 40 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: root and it just felt a little bit like freedom 41 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: and One of the things that I loved was that 42 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: it was a It was a commentary on circumstance, on environment, 43 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 1: on who people might be um given certain opportunities or 44 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: lack there up and then you started to see certain 45 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: things that were the same Peyton's strength and her wisdom. 46 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: You saw Brooke in that, you know, beginning of season one, 47 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: looking for male validation space, you know, going after it 48 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: with Nathan rather than Lucas. And the thing I really 49 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: loved was seeing that, no matter what their circumstance, Nathan 50 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: and Haley had chemistry that was, oh my god, undeniable. 51 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: I felt that too. I was watching it finally as 52 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: a as an impartial observer, and was really amazed to 53 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: see that because sometimes you just I mean, I guess 54 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: I have just wondered watching the episode, is the chemistry 55 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: really there? Or is it just because of the scenario 56 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: that they've both been thrust into because the writers write 57 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: them well together, like maybe that's just it the m 58 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: Is it all just emotional manipulation? But to see Nathan 59 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: and Haley anyway you slice it, those two have chemistry 60 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: way more than Lucas and Lucas and Haley ever did. 61 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: So that was kind of fun to see. Yeah, and 62 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: I loved that the writers, and I mean, what a 63 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: testament to mark pair, you know, coming from the Wonder Years. 64 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: There were Wonder Years elements in this episode and this 65 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: classic love story of our show, which Nathan and Haley are. 66 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: The way they nodded to it with the bracelet a 67 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 1: completely new way, but that bracelet still winds up on 68 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: her wrist and he gives it to her. I was like, Oh, 69 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: they're smart. I see what they're doing. And it was 70 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: really the whole first season just shoved into one episode, 71 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: wasn't it. Yeah. Well, the way that you two talked 72 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: to each other in the classroom, that was the scene 73 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: that I was hot for because I've seen like Haley 74 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:38,359 Speaker 1: and Lucas talk to each other in the classroom and 75 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: it is platonic, and you and Chad were so good 76 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: at creating a believable, strong platonic friendship. You could not 77 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: do that with Nathan, Like, like, there are freaking fireworks 78 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: going off around you two, and you're being so cute 79 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: with each other and you're not forcing it. It's like 80 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: you're flirting with no it. Yeah, And I also feel 81 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 1: like it's a testament to the two of you as actors, 82 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: because listen, the hints were in the script. He still 83 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: gives her the cracker Jack bracelet. Deb says you two 84 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: are gonna wind up married someday, and He's like, oh mom, 85 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: we're friends, you know. There there's there's hints that Nathan 86 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 1: and Haley are undeniable. And so, whereas it was always 87 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: very clear that Haley and Lucas were going to be friends, 88 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: and it was important that that platonic line wasn't crossed, 89 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: you and James as performers had all the Nathan and 90 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: Haley magic that you could put underneath this alternate reality, 91 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 1: and and the writing supported it. And it's so fun 92 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: to watch you both playing different versions of these humans 93 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 1: but keeping that energy going it. As a fan, you know, 94 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: we have enough distance. Now we're watching episode as fans 95 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: for the first time, and as a fan, I'm like, 96 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: it's still a kid still. It just wasn't until Sophia 97 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: said it that we got to watch all of those 98 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: iconic moments between Haley and Nathan, but without the question 99 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: mark of is he gaming her? One we had to 100 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: wonder like is he going to hurt her? You know, 101 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: And so we couldn't really dive into our feelings because 102 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: we had to prepare ourselves in case I went wrong, 103 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: and this go round, we got to really celebrate it 104 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: because we knew, like, oh my god, they've been best 105 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: friends since their babies. Like it was in my head, 106 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 1: comfortable do over. That's so true. Um, I really loved 107 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: I loved watching Brook. I liked seeing seeing back to 108 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: like season one Brook. It was fun because I love 109 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: seeing where Brooke has progressed now. And um, I also 110 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: love the sort of geeky Brook putting together shards of paper. 111 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: Yeah it's beautiful, mind, Yeah, totally. But it was fun 112 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: to see season one Brook. How did you feel about 113 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: that when you were filming it? Do you remember? You know? 114 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: What's so crazy? I kept saying for all our friends 115 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: at home as we were watching this episode, I was like, 116 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: what is this episode? I've never seen this episode. I 117 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: don't remember whatever was happening when we were filming this, 118 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: you know, which makes sense because at the end of 119 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: the season, everything is always so crazy. An episode twenty 120 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: was probably the last one that aired while we were 121 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: still shooting, so of course we didn't get to see it. 122 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: I didn't remember any of it, and I was like, 123 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: am I in this episode? What do I do? And 124 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: I just didn't know anything. And then oh my god. 125 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: And then Brooke Davis walks in on Nathan Scott in 126 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: the shower and I was like, oh no, I remember this. 127 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: I just remember James I being like, oh, come on, man. 128 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: We were both so mortified with the physical comedy of 129 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: it was so funny that we wound up having like 130 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: a hilarious time. But you know, we were both in 131 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: like those weird ugly like onesie thing you look naked 132 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: but you're not. I'm just like, I've never looked like 133 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: more of a creep than I do in this moment. 134 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: And we wound up just laughing all day. Oh god. 135 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: And then I had to walk by Paul just like 136 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: the face. Oh my gosh, let's talk about Paul and 137 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: the Letterman jacket. Hillary was dying when Okay, look, I 138 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 1: still have my letterman jacket from high school, because of 139 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: course I do. And and you know, if I ever 140 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 1: like go to promote like my high school or a 141 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: fundraiser from my high school, I might pull it out. 142 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: But there is zero possibility that I'm going to wear 143 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: it on a night out in town, just as like 144 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: my coat and Dan Scott roll up on the river court. 145 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: It's reminding everybody that he used to be the stud 146 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 1: and is it No, It's like you big fucking nerd. 147 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: It's painful. And you know what kills me is it 148 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 1: feels like a device because they were trying to emasculate 149 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: Paul in this alternate universe. You know, Dan Scott is 150 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: this weak man and they just couldn't do it. Paul 151 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: is such a powerful man, so they were like, put 152 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: him in the letterman jacket, it will make him look 153 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: like a loser. George just looks like a big strong 154 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: man and a kid's coat. It's none of it works. 155 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: It made me appreciate the way things are on our show. 156 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: Remember Chad and I I do remember us having fun 157 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: in the convertible the day that he was playing like 158 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: bad Dad, you know, and he was having fun getting 159 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: to do this other thing. Because the mythology about the 160 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: origin of our show is what we've all discussed before 161 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: that Mark Schwan had originally wanted Chad to play Nathan 162 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: and there was like a mix up and the studio 163 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: wanted Chad to play Lucas, and whatever happened happened. I 164 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: thought Chad was the one who wanted to play Lucas 165 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: because he had been playing sort of bad boys and 166 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: so he wanted to break out of that moment, which 167 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: is my understanding. Yeah, but you know, what the create 168 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: with the creator, what the writer, what the producers want, 169 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: and then what the studio wants, and then what the 170 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: actor wants are like oftentimes not the same things. So 171 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: seeing him in that role that some people in our 172 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: in our little group originally thought he was destined for 173 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:56,199 Speaker 1: is weird. It's because he's like soulful, but he's good 174 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: at being a dick as he as he inches words 175 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: James's legs. I believed it. I was like that, I 176 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: know that guy. Yes, for some reason, because it's so 177 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: convincing as that um anti antagonist. Where as the villain character. 178 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,839 Speaker 1: It felt like if the roles had been switched, it 179 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: would have been harder for me to believe that Nathan 180 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: had a change of heart and was softening. I don't 181 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: know why Chad played Nathan played Nathan based on what 182 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: we just saw in that episode. Oh interesting, I don't know, 183 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. That's what That's what I was thinking 184 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 1: when I was watching. I was like, I don't know 185 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,959 Speaker 1: if I would have bought it as much because I 186 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: like Chad starting in that zone of Lucas, of the 187 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: soft hearted, soulful guy. You know, it was different for him. 188 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: He played like a bad guy on Dawson's Creek. He'd 189 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: been kind of like a slimy, flirty dude and a 190 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: couple of movies and stuff like that, and it was 191 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: smart for him to be like, no, I want to 192 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,719 Speaker 1: be the poet. Sign me up, let me do that 193 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: voice over. Yeah. Yeah, Well, I'm really glad the show 194 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: actually turned out the way that it did instead of 195 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: this bizarro world. It would have been weird if this 196 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: dream was our whole show. Hillary, what was it like 197 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:16,719 Speaker 1: for you, because you know, the three of us as 198 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: the girls were still playing the same parts. But you know, Joy, 199 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 1: you had to create a whole different friendship with Nathan, 200 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 1: you know, in this alternate reality. But Hill, you were 201 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: kind of reliving Peyton and Nathan scenes with Peyton and Lucas. 202 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: How did you feel like you differentiated those or did 203 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: you feel like you had to? Well, I remember people 204 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: showing me playback of the pilot, especially when we had 205 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: to recreate that scene in my room because they wanted 206 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: it to be exactly the same. So my wardrobe is 207 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: exactly the same, the way I'm positioned against the door 208 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: is exactly the same. But my hair is like a 209 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: power mullet. So there's like certain things that can't match. Um, 210 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: And what I will say is that again, the chemistry 211 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: is very different. James and I started the show as 212 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: like this contentious couple, and we never really had chemistry. 213 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know anyone that's like, I'm a 214 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:23,119 Speaker 1: Nathan and Payton ship. They're like literally are none because 215 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: they are not a good couple. So, um, I when 216 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: like Peyton comes to pick Nathan up, whereas in the 217 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: original pilot, we're like Peyton's interacting with Lucas and it's 218 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: very like loaded, like there's energy there, there's none when 219 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: she's picking up Nathan. You know, it's just like, hey, man, 220 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: you're screwing your life up. Get in the car, let 221 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: me be your buddy. It's strong buddy energy. Yeah, it's 222 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: big sister energy. So to see those energy shifts, it 223 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 1: allowed for Peyton to be more of what you guys 224 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: were saying, just kind of like the sage wise character. Um. Yeah, 225 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: I think I think the it's and it's weird because 226 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: none of us had chemistry reads. Yes, George, what do 227 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: you want to talk? George is looking for an amp 228 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: right now in my house. She's got a ukulele on 229 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: so she can play guitar. Um, we don't have it 230 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: right now, but when mom's done, we're gonna rock so hard. 231 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: Are you ready to rock it? My amp? Mom? What 232 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: is she for? How old is she? No? She just 233 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: turned for gosh, are you gonna date Nathan or Lucas? 234 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: Which one you don't know? Over one you want? Honey? 235 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: You don't have them all? Have it all? Um? Hey, listen, 236 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: this might be a good moment in the conversation. Our 237 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: listeners were asking or sorry, Hillary, last week you asked 238 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: us to make a cocktail for this week's episode. So 239 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna give you guys the rundown. Here's what 240 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: we're drinking. Okay, So, if you're at home, I want 241 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: to go get your mescal. If you don't know what 242 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: that is, you need to know. And it's a part 243 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: of kind of a tequila. I want you to go 244 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: get an orange or half an orange? Will do? You're 245 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: gonna go get a jalapeno and you're gonna find some 246 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: ginger liqueur. So I know all of you just have 247 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: that lying around in your bar. But if you do 248 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: ginger beer, maybe could that be a ginger beer could work? 249 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: Actually that might be quite nice. Um. I also have 250 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: this delicious dandelion bitters, Um, dandelion and burdock bitters. What's 251 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: the company, doctor Adam Shop? I think I don't know. Um. Anyway, 252 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: it looks it's old timey and fun. So this is 253 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: my potion for today. So you're gonna and then you 254 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: need mint to go get some fresh mint. So we're 255 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: gonna do uh announce or two how depending on how 256 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: you're feeling of the mescal, a splash of the ginger liqueur. 257 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: You're gonna juice half an orange into that glass and 258 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: muddle up some mint and throw that all in with 259 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: rocks and just well ice, you know, and and uh 260 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: mix it around. And then finally I'm gonna I want 261 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: you to take that jalapeno and grate it on a 262 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: on a zester and just zest that jalapeno into your drink, 263 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: and then you have you have our cocktail. I don't 264 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: even know what we're going to call this, but we're all, 265 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: we're all enjoying it, and we hope you do at 266 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: home as well. So there you go, spicy, the spicy lady. 267 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: There you go. I like a spicy lady. It's my lady, Karen. 268 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: Karen Scott is a spicy This is the Karen Scott drink. 269 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: That's what this is. It's very interesting that in Nathan's 270 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: dream where the rules are reversed, they go so far 271 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: as not just to be reversed in terms of who 272 00:16:55,360 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: Dan chose, but it's giving the wom and he chose 273 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: the power and taking his away. So he is this 274 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 1: sort of subservient husband. His wife is the boss. She 275 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: is the money maker, and she's she's like a no 276 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: holds barred bitch. And I like it. Ironically though, he 277 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: still did marry Well, if she's the money maker and 278 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: he's the one who's staying at home, isn't that sort 279 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: of still the situation with Deb I guess Deb's home. 280 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: But deb had money, well Debby, you know what I mean, 281 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: Like they fronted the money for his car dealership. It 282 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: would have been cool to see him and Karen living modestly, 283 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like like two kids who 284 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 1: only have high school degree, you know, like diplomas. If 285 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: both of them dropped out and didn't have any parents 286 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 1: giving them, you know, this special footing that Deb's parents 287 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: hooked them up with. It would have been cool to 288 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: see them living in Karen's house as opposed to Dan's big, 289 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: huge mansion. Um. I think that would have made Paul's 290 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: a bit more believable. It was so interesting watching Karen 291 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 1: and Keith in that scenario, Karen the adulterers and Keith 292 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: the owner of the dealership and being so cruel to Dan, 293 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: and then Karen dropping that bomb. But he says, I 294 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 1: would have raised Lucas like my own and she says, 295 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: sometimes I think he is. They're both and they never 296 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: followed up on that, They never circled back. I mean 297 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: that was a big drop, ye, Like It's like an 298 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: anvil that dropped in the middle of the room and 299 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: then nobody addressed him. So do we think do we 300 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,479 Speaker 1: think that means that Karen hooked up with Keith, like 301 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: at the same time she was dating his brother when 302 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: Lucas was conceived, Is that we're in she not have 303 00:18:55,640 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: let Why would she allow Lucas to think that Dan 304 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: was his Sorry Nathan to think that Dan was his dad. 305 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: If I was confused, we need more tequila joy Um, No, 306 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 1: I don't need any more tequila promise. It was confusing. 307 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 1: But what I think was done really gracefully was the 308 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: coming out of the dream sequence because it starts off 309 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 1: really sighted that it was really subtle, you know, and 310 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: it was like Lucas saying something to Nathan that was 311 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: just kind of like off. It was two nights, you know. 312 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 1: And then Haley coming up with the bracelet that turns 313 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: into the wedding ring and you're like, oh man, you're 314 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: like here it goes smart. Oh and then him telling 315 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: her not to come home. That was rough. That really 316 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: got me, but me too. I know he was doing 317 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,239 Speaker 1: it for her, he was doing it because of her 318 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: best interests, but also it seemed like for himself he 319 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 1: was kind of climbing out of the selfish or maybe 320 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: not selfish, wrong word. He was climbing out of the 321 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: self pity zone of I hate what's being done to me, 322 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: what's being done to me, and started recognizing maybe something 323 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: positive for himself that could be coming out of this 324 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: difficult scenario. I don't know exactly what that's going to be. 325 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 1: I look forward to seeing in the next episode, but 326 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: it seemed like he was making a choice really for 327 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: himself rather than um trying to solve the problem. I mean, 328 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: do we talk about suicide on our show? I don't know, 329 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: because that's what's being implied, and it's what Lucas asks him, 330 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: and then they're interrupted and so he can't get an answer. 331 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: But it's a very serious subject matter to tackle on 332 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: a team drama, and you know we're touching on it, 333 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: you know, we're lightly going there, but I'll be disappointed 334 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: if we don't, like go there and get Nathan help, 335 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 1: you know, this idea that like I'm going to drive 336 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: into a wall and then I don't know, I'll just 337 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 1: figure it out, you know. It's also interesting there were 338 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:11,120 Speaker 1: a couple of things going back and watching now that 339 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: I felt like there was foreshadowing for, which is something 340 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: that we we ascribed meaning right, but things we didn't 341 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:23,719 Speaker 1: know we're coming, Like when Nathan says on the end 342 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: of Levity, when he says to Brooke and Peyton, I 343 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 1: know you both want me when they're visiting the the 344 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: hospital room, and it's like, well, when they sprung that surprise, 345 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: Brooke and Nathan's sex tape on US and we were 346 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 1: all horrified. Oh my god, in whatever season three or four, 347 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: I don't remember what it is. God, I was so upset. 348 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: We were all upset. It was like, what are you 349 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 1: talking about? This whole I hated it And now I'm like, 350 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: oh is that you? Wait now? Now, I can't stop 351 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 1: thinking about that when he says this and the other 352 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: thing on the non humorous slash gross side the series 353 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 1: US and is when you talk about this stuff in 354 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: terms of him and really our show through him, just 355 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 1: lightly touching on um, the potential for a young man 356 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: to be depressed and potentially have a suicide attempt or 357 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: suicidal ideation is when we fast forward to after the 358 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: time jump and Nathan is struggling wildly with depression, you know, 359 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: and he's in that dark place and throws himself out 360 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: of the wheelchair into the pool and all those things. 361 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's it kind of gives me chills 362 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 1: to see it now and and to know what's coming 363 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: that I'm aware no one knew would be coming years later, 364 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: but it um, it certainly makes me wonder looking back 365 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: at it, what we what more we should have done? Well? Yeah, 366 00:22:55,640 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: shows for her own rehab while he's still in a house. 367 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 1: Spittle bad, you know, But but for real, Like, what 368 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 1: what's natural protocol? What's normal protocol? Someone attempts suicide, does 369 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: a social worker get called in? Like who from the county, 370 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: who from the state is alerted? I mean there's gonna 371 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: be a lot of times. I don't think there is 372 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: a lot of the time. I mean there may be, 373 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: but unless there's a crime involved, which technically a suicide 374 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: attempt is a crime. But he destroyed so much sensive property. 375 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 1: But yeah, so I don't know. I don't think most 376 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 1: of the time there is. I think it's just people 377 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: sort of unless there is immediate attention, medical attention that 378 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: is needed, in which case then the hospital does have 379 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: a responsibility to make those kinds of phone calls. But 380 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: otherwise I think maybe it's just the family just yeah, 381 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: like at what point does CPS get called? It's like, 382 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: this kid just tried to kill himself. There's no CPS 383 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: in one Tree Hill? Serious, you guys, Like all these 384 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: children live alone, Like nobody gets a phone call. No 385 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: breaks on the tracks and nobody nobody gets the call. 386 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: I mean it's a really big deal. Yeah, and it's 387 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: good that we're seeing scenes where all of his friends 388 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 1: are surrounding him, but also we can't expect Lucas and 389 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 1: Brooke and Peyton and Haley to have the skill set 390 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: to deal with something like that at sixteen years old. 391 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 1: That's insane, It's crazy. There needed to be more responsible 392 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:35,360 Speaker 1: adults in the room, for sure. Karen added some gravity 393 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: to it when she was sitting in the hallway with 394 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: Whitey and she couldn't get a hold of Keith and 395 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: she's like, he should know, you know what's going on 396 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 1: with Nathan? Yeah? I know? Yeah. Why did none of 397 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: the parents get the memo that there were no break 398 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: marks on the track? It's weird. Can we blame Cooper No, 399 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 1: who was there that day? I mean, it's just yeah. 400 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 1: Season two is a rough one for me. I feel 401 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: like there's so many disjointed things happening towards the end 402 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 1: of season two that I'm like the dream sequence was 403 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 1: kind of a nice break from it because there were 404 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: no rules. It was just like two is rough for 405 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: a lot of shows. I think it's really hard to 406 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,199 Speaker 1: keep I don't know, you know what. Succession had a 407 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: great season two. I love season two. I thought they 408 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 1: did a great It was like better than the first 409 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: season for me. But that's so rare, and I don't 410 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: know why, why is there always a second season? Cloud? 411 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: You know what's interesting, I had a friend of mine 412 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: who's in a band explained this to me. You know, 413 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: they had a big, you know, hit debut album, and 414 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: I remember a couple of the guys being at a 415 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: dinner like a dinner party, and it was something I 416 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 1: never considered before. He was talking about enjoy You probably 417 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: know this. In the world of music, they call it 418 00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 1: like the sophomore slump. What is your sophomore album going 419 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,199 Speaker 1: to be? If you've had to hit first album and 420 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 1: the pressure of outperforming your first record, of doing better 421 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: than the first thing you created, can really be just 422 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: crippling emotionally and psychologically. And I wonder if that's some 423 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: of it. If you know a show that premiered six 424 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: months ahead of when it was supposed to and grew 425 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 1: week by week hand over fist because of word of 426 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 1: mouth and started amassing this incredible, really organic fan base. Um, 427 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: that was really you know, like I had a finger 428 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: on the pulse of what young people were going through. 429 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: And then you're supposed to do it again, Yeah, exactly times. Yeah, 430 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: for sure. And then they started wanting bottle episodes like 431 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 1: we talked about the other week, where they then they 432 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 1: want to be able to do something that are standing 433 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: alone instead of drawing out a storyline that goes on. 434 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: You know. So they're also getting all these demands from 435 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 1: the network on here's what's working, here's the formulas working 436 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 1: on our other shows. Uh, try and do this, try 437 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: and do that. I mean it's like, if it ain't broke, 438 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: don't fix it. But you know that's not really back 439 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 1: to the pilot and we were like, I guess we'll 440 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: just do this again. Let's do it one more time. 441 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 1: What do you think They were like having a panic 442 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: in the writer's room, and they were like, we gotta 443 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: go back and watch the pilot and figure out what 444 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: the funk we're doing. We don't remember what we're doing. 445 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: What happens on the table? Right? I picture them in 446 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 1: the writer's room just like throwing script pages, falling out 447 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 1: where panic, How do we make this team trow Yeah, 448 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: it happens everywhere though, it's not just our show. It 449 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 1: happens in all all kinds of shows and in theater too. 450 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: By the way, the second second act is notoriously uh 451 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: not as good as the first or just like because 452 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,199 Speaker 1: the second act does so much heavy lifting until you 453 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,199 Speaker 1: get to the very end. There's just so there is 454 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: a lot of pressure to dig in deep. You know, 455 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: the first season was so much set up for us, 456 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: and as is Act one in a lot of shows, 457 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: in plays, and as is many other TV series and 458 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: movies sometimes too. I mean, you just get into act 459 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: two and you have to dive in deeper. And with 460 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 1: a show like ours, where there's already so much drama, 461 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: so much emotion, so many feelings, to go deep into 462 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: the hospital so many times already both of these boys 463 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: had to have major surgery in the first two seasons. 464 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 1: It's a lot, but it also is kind of like 465 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 1: our careers. I mean, look, this was like our first big, 466 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: huge job, and then what's act two? You know, the 467 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: fear of leaving and like act act two as a 468 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: whole in life is always intimidating, whether it's like going 469 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: off to college or trying to get that next job 470 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: after your first big break, or you know, we've got 471 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: kids and dogs all over the place and you're like, 472 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: how do I set goals again? Who am I doing 473 00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: with my life. I don't know. I don't know if 474 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: us girls had gotten to change, because Haley, You're right, Hailey, 475 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: Brooke and Peyton are the same. If us girls had 476 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: gotten to change, what would you have wanted your character 477 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 1: to be different? How different would you want your character? MG, 478 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: I would have loved to play either of your characters. 479 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: How fun either way? Maybe naked in the shower. By 480 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: the way, talk about the repeats. Brooke walks out of 481 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: the shower with Nathan in front of Dan. It's literally 482 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: what you had to do in the pilot that you've 483 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: been there, been there. They're like, well, we know we 484 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: can't ask Hilary to do it again. Isn't that so 485 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: interesting that we so so there were these repetitions, but 486 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: with these sort of tesselations in them as well. Remember 487 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: when they told me you were going to replace me 488 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: on the show, they were like, we'll just have we'll 489 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: have Sophia do with this go around. I mean there's 490 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: like a little tiny yeah from season one. I mean 491 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: that was right about the time they were like, we've 492 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: got someone else to come in and do the sexy stuff. 493 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: And then I was like, I'm sorry, nobody told me 494 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: that's why I'm here. You told me I was coming 495 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: here to be the comic relief. What, no, well, do comedy, Sophia, 496 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:18,479 Speaker 1: do a comedy with your tooth kids? I refuse. So 497 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: we have evil titties, comedic titties, so many, so talented, 498 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: both defaced. Yeah, So, how different would you want your 499 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: character in all Universe? Like if we had to to 500 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: pick something different, I mean, if we were going to 501 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: do this all Universe episode and really go there and 502 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: let all the girls switch roles, I would have loved 503 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: Brooke Davis in this episode to have been so far 504 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: down the spectrum that she the Erica Marsh that she 505 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: was already the class president, and she had no social life, 506 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: and she was just a completely different kind of person 507 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: for two acts, Like why not? Yeah, that's not what 508 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: we got extra in a different way, man. I remember 509 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: when I and I think I may have said this 510 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: on the show already, I can't remember, but when I 511 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: got the job. A girlfriend of mine reminded me of 512 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: this recently that when I got this job, she walked 513 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: to the bathroom. She was at my house and watched 514 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: the bathroom and I was sticking bobby pins behind my 515 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: ears because I wanted Hayley's ears to stick out because 516 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: I thought that would just be really cute, and um, 517 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: she was like, but what if the show runs for 518 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:46,719 Speaker 1: a really long time, that's going to hurt. It's like, 519 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: you're right, And I was having a really hard time 520 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: like situating it in a way so that it would 521 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,239 Speaker 1: they would really do that. But where I'm going with 522 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: this is that, um my point is my point is 523 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: I think it would have been really fun. I wish 524 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: that I had been comfortable enough with myself at the 525 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: time to really allow Hailey to to fully embrace the 526 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: sort of shy, nerdy, um bookish. Maybe nerdy is the 527 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: wrong word. I don't know if that's appropriate anymore or not, 528 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: but I kind of like nerds. Yea, yeah, but nerds 529 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: you're hot, But still like just totally allow her to 530 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: be that kind of bookish, you know, shy girl, whereas 531 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: I didn't. I think so much of our time in Wilmington's, 532 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: especially the first season, it turned into a competition in 533 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: a lot of ways, which we've discussed many times on 534 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: this show before. Um, just through a us being young women, 535 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: and that was the environment that I think was kind 536 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: of expected of young women in all in the same 537 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: environment kind of vying for like who's going to be 538 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: the front runner, who's gonna be yeah, yeah, and also 539 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: just the exterior forces that were intentionally pitting us against 540 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: each other. But if all those things hadn't existed and 541 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: I had just sort of known then what I know 542 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: now to be able to really embrace allowing Haley to 543 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: be as nerdy as she wanted to be for as 544 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: long as it would have worked on the show, instead 545 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: of trying to turn her into something like a little 546 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: sexier or hotter or whatever to kind of compete with 547 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: you guys, I would have loved that. I would love 548 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: to see that. You know. Well, I hate that you 549 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: felt like you had to compete, but no, it's just 550 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: that's just part of it's part of life, especially as 551 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,239 Speaker 1: a young woman, and that was the environment, and you know, 552 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: I wanted to be I looked up to you guys too, 553 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: like we all sort of, I think, had this admiration 554 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: of each other in different ways, and I thought, oh 555 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: my gosh, they're so cool and pretty, and like, I 556 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: want to be a pretty girl too, and I want 557 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: to be you know, So instead of just feeling comfortable 558 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: with who I was which comes with age. Really, that 559 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 1: kind of comfortability. I went into a different zone, which 560 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 1: is normal, And I mean, I think it's important to 561 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: be tender with those versions of ourselves, because we all 562 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: felt that in one way or another. You know, like 563 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 1: there's weirder than getting ready in the morning and being 564 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: all lined up in mirrors and being like who's getting 565 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: fake lashes today? Whose hair looks good to? You know, like, yeah, 566 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: you're all being painted together. It can't be about the character. 567 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,879 Speaker 1: It has to be about like the press we're gonna 568 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: get or the way we're gonna look on TV. Who's 569 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: going to look the best in this episode? Or you know, 570 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 1: it's it's so gross, it's so unnatural. But I guess 571 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: when I say we should be gentle with ourselves, we 572 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,399 Speaker 1: have to remember that wasn't a metric we set. That's 573 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 1: what we were told. The metric was by all the 574 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: people in charge, And there are people in charge in 575 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: other environments who don't tell young women that that's what 576 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: the metric is. So I'm really proud of us for 577 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 1: doing our best but also not hiding that we were uncomfortable. 578 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 1: And yeah, it may have taken us time to finally 579 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,720 Speaker 1: stop you know, trying to keep up with the Joneses 580 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: and actually just go out together and be like, how 581 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 1: do you feel? Because I feel weird, you know, like 582 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,799 Speaker 1: like really weird. It's all could have been solved with 583 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: one night of drinking, you guys, but we were good kids. 584 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,720 Speaker 1: It took us a while to get to drinking. Guys 585 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: get there faster, I guess is the moral of the story. Hilary, 586 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,360 Speaker 1: tell us about your character. How do you think you 587 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:28,360 Speaker 1: would have liked to see Peyton? I think about economics 588 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 1: a lot because I went to a high school where 589 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 1: the year after my freshman year, they built a new 590 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 1: high school in the rich community and all the bullies 591 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 1: moved away, like any person that had ever made my 592 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,280 Speaker 1: life hell was gone. And it made me hate people 593 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: with money so much because that really was like the line. 594 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 1: And when we were filming the show, I don't think 595 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,799 Speaker 1: that we really thought about economics and the way we're 596 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 1: having conversations right now. But Peyton and Haley lived like 597 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,800 Speaker 1: next door to each other. Literally our houses are catty 598 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: corner from each other, um, and we lived kind of 599 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 1: on the you know, not the fancy neighborhood. These are 600 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 1: older homes that it is a lower there's a food 601 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 1: desert where those two homes are, which means that the 602 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: people that live there don't have easy access to a 603 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: grocery store. Um. There's a lot of economic and racial 604 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 1: factors at play in that part of Wilmington's And I 605 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 1: would have loved to have seen Peyton hanging out with 606 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,359 Speaker 1: the kids in her neighborhood, like the River Court boys, 607 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 1: Like I loved, loved, loved our scenes when we would 608 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: all be together, and I think we all just kind 609 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 1: of like glowed tonight when we got to see the 610 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,360 Speaker 1: scene on the River Court because they were so special 611 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 1: and they look good, they feel good, They send a 612 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: good message, and it doesn't matter which boy is on 613 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,360 Speaker 1: the right side and which boy is on the bad side. 614 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,320 Speaker 1: You know, Like we've had Chad be the good guy 615 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 1: and James be the bad guy, and in this episode 616 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,240 Speaker 1: we got the river most of that. What you see 617 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: is community in those scenes, And I, as Peyton, would 618 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 1: have loved to have spent more time with the River 619 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,720 Speaker 1: Court boys because I feel like they represent a really 620 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 1: important part of a community, um and of a school, 621 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 1: and they are the guys that you know, lived in 622 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 1: our neighborhood and yeah, and plus like they're the fun ones. 623 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: Like when we partied outside of work, those are the 624 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 1: guys we parted with and we're going to's apartment. Yeah, 625 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 1: I mean they were like the fun ones. So that's 626 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 1: that would have to be a girl that infiltrated that 627 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,880 Speaker 1: boys club would have felt fun. That would attract for 628 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:44,359 Speaker 1: Peyton too, especially for a girl whose parents were never home. 629 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 1: You wouldn't need to build a community of like boys 630 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 1: and brothers around, yeah, for sure to feel safe. Yeah. Um, 631 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 1: and I just love those guys. They're so fun. I 632 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 1: love the banter between all of them. It just adds 633 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,400 Speaker 1: a layer that, like our show can really miss sometimes 634 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,759 Speaker 1: because it starts to try to be sexy and then 635 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 1: you bring those River Corps boys in and it's like 636 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,280 Speaker 1: we're high school kids. Let's get weird. Yeah, the episodes 637 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,800 Speaker 1: are always better when those boys are in them, I agree, 638 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: always better. Yeah, pay them more money. By the way. 639 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: You know who else makes an episode feel Fuller's Brett 640 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:26,839 Speaker 1: Clay Well, I love him. You're so great's great, it's 641 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:31,799 Speaker 1: so reliable, he really is, and he's not undertable for 642 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 1: the bit, you know what I mean. Like, you know 643 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 1: how some actors can be too cool commits. Yeah, does 644 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: anyone have his number? Yes? We should text him and 645 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,800 Speaker 1: be like, Brott, what are you doing right now? You 646 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,440 Speaker 1: want to jump on a podcast I don't have. Well, 647 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 1: he's gonna He's gonna join us soon. We have Brett 648 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 1: booked for an upcoming episode, but I'm just gonna do 649 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 1: because Dylan, we're talking about it happened. I miss that. 650 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: I'm glad you guys. I'm a grandma. I use voice dictation. 651 00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 1: So for everyone who's listening to podcast, here we go, Hey, boyfriend, 652 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,839 Speaker 1: exclamation mark. It's Hillary and Joy and Sophia. Exclamation mark. 653 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: We're literally talking about you right now on the podcast. 654 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 1: So I hope your ears are burning. Period. You're the 655 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 1: effing coolest um, because that's how I text you too. 656 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 1: I have to talk everything out. My kids hate it there. 657 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:32,239 Speaker 1: They literally like, okay, mom, period, okay, exclamation message set. 658 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: I love a voice to text. That's great in me too. 659 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,400 Speaker 1: You know what I did last night, speaking of alternate universe, 660 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 1: I went on a house date with my husband. We 661 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,440 Speaker 1: put the children to sleep, and then he lit a 662 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,440 Speaker 1: fire in our bedroom and we watched a movie. And 663 00:39:53,480 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 1: you know what movie they watched. So cold, you better 664 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 1: believe it. And so listen. Joy is so hot in 665 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 1: this movie. She's so hot in this movie, and she's 666 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,799 Speaker 1: like this edgy documentary filmmaker. And I woke up this 667 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,360 Speaker 1: morning and I was like, I need to get my 668 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 1: act together. Um, first of all, you're fantastic in the 669 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,959 Speaker 1: movie and the movie is super, super spooky. And Jeff 670 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 1: was like, we have to go to that hotel because 671 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,800 Speaker 1: you got to go to this hotel. Guys, I'm telling 672 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,800 Speaker 1: you it's amazing. It's really cool hotel. But I'm copying 673 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 1: you today because I have been wearing brown eyeliner for years, 674 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 1: but you were very black eyeliner in this movie. And 675 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if you can tell, but oh, you 676 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,480 Speaker 1: look so sexy. But I was like, I'm gonna do 677 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,840 Speaker 1: what Joy is doing, so to bring this full surfle 678 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: It reminds me of us getting ready in the morning 679 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 1: on the show and feeling a little bit like, oh, 680 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 1: what's she doing? What's she doing? I woke up this 681 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 1: morning and was like, I want to look like my 682 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 1: friend Joy. And so called The River one of the 683 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:03,400 Speaker 1: top streaming horror films on what the Amazon, Amazon, It's everywhere. 684 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 1: I don't know it's crazy. It's all the same doing 685 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 1: really well. It's crazy. It wasting. Don't drink the water. Um. Yeah, 686 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 1: you know, I'm so grateful that now we're at a 687 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,279 Speaker 1: phase in our lives where it's fun to look at 688 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,719 Speaker 1: each other and be like, oh, I'm inspired, I want 689 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 1: to do that. Like it's inspiration feels fun, where it's 690 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,480 Speaker 1: just doesn't have to be competitive at all. It's just 691 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,879 Speaker 1: like out of sheer love and excitement and sharing creativity. 692 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 1: It's like sharing Pinterest boards. Yeah, we're a black eyeliner 693 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,560 Speaker 1: like I'm God. Peyton Sawyer two thousand four loved some 694 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,120 Speaker 1: black eyeliners, So I'm back on it. You brought me back. 695 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 1: I need to break You know. You know who wears 696 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,880 Speaker 1: black eyeliner and pulls it off great, and she's been 697 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 1: wearing it for years and sometimes it's actually the only 698 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 1: makeup she wears is black eyeliner. Mikaela McManus. Yes, yes, yes, 699 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,320 Speaker 1: the Tier line. It's so good. Listen you guys. My 700 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,640 Speaker 1: husband had to go to the city, and so being 701 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,160 Speaker 1: able to work from home means that she's in my lap. 702 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,080 Speaker 1: It also means that we get to drink Joy's cocktails 703 00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,400 Speaker 1: and it means that we only have to wear like 704 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,200 Speaker 1: shirts and pajama pants. Um, so it's the best gig. Ever, 705 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:27,839 Speaker 1: how do we do a TV show like this? Like? 706 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:35,799 Speaker 1: How do we move? Yeah? Fine, done, there's my dream job? 707 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,120 Speaker 1: Is a sitcom? Right now? That schedule is like to 708 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,280 Speaker 1: die for? What do you show up on Monday morning 709 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,720 Speaker 1: for three hours and then Tuesday for four? Maybe? Okay? 710 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 1: So this episode was alternate reality? Could we do One 711 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:55,239 Speaker 1: Tree Hill as a sitcom? Honestly? I would? If we 712 00:42:55,239 --> 00:43:00,920 Speaker 1: could do that life, I would do it Like that 713 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,040 Speaker 1: would be amazing. My gosh. They just were just like 714 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,239 Speaker 1: knocking at each other's doors. It works with everybody just 715 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,520 Speaker 1: showing up in Peyton's bedroom all the time with nobody 716 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:13,480 Speaker 1: ever knocking. How do we do a remix of One 717 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,239 Speaker 1: Tree Hill and threes company and we're the company? Oh yes, 718 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 1: hello your apartment, but the apartment everyone lived in. It's 719 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,600 Speaker 1: like you and then Brook moves in and then at 720 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 1: some point like the rest of us are always there, 721 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,960 Speaker 1: We're always there. The apartment is the sitcom. Did you 722 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,160 Speaker 1: guys see the Facts of Life that they did with 723 00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:38,200 Speaker 1: Jennifer Aniston? And I did not? How was it was cute? 724 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,920 Speaker 1: It was super cute. It was funny, too funny to 725 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,719 Speaker 1: see all that. I mean, I don't I don't know 726 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,600 Speaker 1: if it would still work today, but it was fun 727 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,920 Speaker 1: to see. But I don't know. Can you imagine One 728 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:53,160 Speaker 1: Tree Hill is a sitcom? Yes? I can imagine us 729 00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,279 Speaker 1: doing a sitcom, so like, I'm here for it. Yeah. 730 00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,920 Speaker 1: Do you know what though, somebody, guys, we have a 731 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,839 Speaker 1: listener question this week, and if Katie, the listener who 732 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,439 Speaker 1: submitted it, is cool with it, I want to take 733 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:09,360 Speaker 1: it and slightly flip it to this combo is Katie asked. 734 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,520 Speaker 1: She said, I don't want to be is iconic still is? 735 00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,640 Speaker 1: But if you had to choose a different theme song 736 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,759 Speaker 1: for the show, what would it be? So I want 737 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,640 Speaker 1: to know to piggyback Katie's question, what would the theme 738 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:28,879 Speaker 1: song of Wondering sitcom being? Is it a Dolly Parton song? 739 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,960 Speaker 1: It feels like it should be. I mean, so George 740 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,719 Speaker 1: is going through a huge Dolly Parton phase right, and 741 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:41,320 Speaker 1: I played her the nine to five and in the world. 742 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:46,280 Speaker 1: I love the video and it struck so many chords, 743 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,400 Speaker 1: just like women working in a men's world. Love that movie, 744 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:55,520 Speaker 1: babe the best? Can we do that movie? Oh, okan, god, 745 00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,960 Speaker 1: how do we do a nine to five remake? Oh, 746 00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,040 Speaker 1: it's a musical now too, and we all, let's just 747 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:06,560 Speaker 1: the musical version of just five. That's it. But like 748 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,480 Speaker 1: that's a movie. Wait, so is that is that our? 749 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,120 Speaker 1: Is that our new one? It's because you know we once, 750 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,560 Speaker 1: we jumped five years ahead. We're grown ups, you know. 751 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:23,799 Speaker 1: And so I think we're making up Bruce Springsteen songs 752 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:25,799 Speaker 1: right now because there is something about sort of the 753 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,640 Speaker 1: everyman and working man that you know, Bruce always resonates with. 754 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:38,160 Speaker 1: And I think also you're from New Jersey, Joy, whatever, 755 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,160 Speaker 1: whatever the Bruce Springsteen song is you land on, then 756 00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,960 Speaker 1: you have to cover it ob my hometown. I guess 757 00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:49,120 Speaker 1: that probably makes the most sense. Yes, yes, yes, I 758 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:53,319 Speaker 1: like that Born to Run also super legendary. Weren't to Run? 759 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:58,200 Speaker 1: That feels very patent all right, that's always leaves It 760 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,040 Speaker 1: also always reminds me of us. Maybe we were both 761 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:08,320 Speaker 1: to pick I mean, I said a Dolly Parton song, honestly, 762 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:12,120 Speaker 1: any of them? Yeah? So yeah, nine to five I'm down. 763 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,239 Speaker 1: We could do a little remake to make it like 764 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,560 Speaker 1: our show. It doesn't matter to me. I just want 765 00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:22,360 Speaker 1: it now. Katie also said, what's the funniest? Oh no, 766 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,480 Speaker 1: my Len, I'm sorry, my Len said this, what's the 767 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:31,040 Speaker 1: funniest moment you had while filming the show? Oh my gosh, god, 768 00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:39,760 Speaker 1: there were literally the funniest. Um, what's a funny thing? 769 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,840 Speaker 1: The funniest? There is no funniest when you did something 770 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,319 Speaker 1: for ten years, that's true. I mean, could you even 771 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,720 Speaker 1: answer the question what's the funniest thing that happened in 772 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,080 Speaker 1: all of your high school? Like? I don't know. Yes, no, 773 00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:56,160 Speaker 1: I can't answer that question. Okay, go answer it. Freshman year, 774 00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,319 Speaker 1: I get my mother to take me to avacar Be 775 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,239 Speaker 1: because all of the rich bitches at school were Abercrombie 776 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,400 Speaker 1: and I'm trying desperately to fit in because if you 777 00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,319 Speaker 1: don't fit in, then you're the butt of the joke. 778 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,480 Speaker 1: So we go and we get this like super cute 779 00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,440 Speaker 1: baby size skirt and I am pumped to wear this 780 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,440 Speaker 1: baby size skirt. It's a belt with a button, and 781 00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,640 Speaker 1: I wear it, and I I have lunched the same 782 00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,160 Speaker 1: time as the whole football team, like they must have 783 00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,279 Speaker 1: had some class and I had class. And we're all 784 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,279 Speaker 1: in the same lunch block and we're coming from downstairs 785 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,680 Speaker 1: from upstairs and I had just gotten brand new sandals 786 00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:39,160 Speaker 1: that were so cute but very slippery, and I fall 787 00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,960 Speaker 1: down the entire flight of stairs in this teeny teeny 788 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:47,719 Speaker 1: tiny baby skirt in front of the entire football team, 789 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:52,000 Speaker 1: and it becomes my legacy. Um, and so I started 790 00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,080 Speaker 1: I started dressing like a man like pretty pretty soon 791 00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,319 Speaker 1: after that. Like that's when I was like, I'm gonna 792 00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:01,000 Speaker 1: wear some big slacks, just some big big slacks, my 793 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,080 Speaker 1: good yeah, just to be like spread eagle. Falling down 794 00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,080 Speaker 1: a set of stairs. It was like, no one's ever 795 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,080 Speaker 1: seen my panties before. Oh my god. And now it's 796 00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:14,000 Speaker 1: like the entire senior class. I'm so mortified for you. 797 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,440 Speaker 1: What are you thinking about it? Because the sense memory, 798 00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,480 Speaker 1: like I know what that skirt felt like. I know 799 00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,399 Speaker 1: the sandals felt like, my face is so hot. Those 800 00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:28,440 Speaker 1: Abercrombie skirts were so short. There is so short, so stressful. 801 00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:34,480 Speaker 1: This is why I'm androgynus Now nothing to see here, folks, Sorry, 802 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:40,399 Speaker 1: right along, right along? Um, But on the show, I mean, 803 00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:45,000 Speaker 1: who knows, who knows? I don't know. I can't really remember. 804 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,840 Speaker 1: I mean, God, I wish I could had great stories 805 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,680 Speaker 1: and great I just don't have As I've mentioned before, 806 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:52,200 Speaker 1: I don't have a great memory with a lot of 807 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,840 Speaker 1: things like that. I don't know. There was an actor 808 00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:01,720 Speaker 1: that Sophie and I worked with one season who really 809 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,040 Speaker 1: sold himself. This is like a day player, Sophia, and 810 00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,920 Speaker 1: this dude was really aggressive with the two of us. 811 00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:10,839 Speaker 1: And he has since gone on to be on other 812 00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,759 Speaker 1: TV shows And he always lists like a character name, 813 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,319 Speaker 1: but none of his characters actually have names, Like he 814 00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,239 Speaker 1: makes these up to put on the internet. And I 815 00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,160 Speaker 1: see him from time to time in a TV show, 816 00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,880 Speaker 1: just like staring from the background and I'm like, I 817 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,120 Speaker 1: know that fucker, and he's so uncomfortable because he told 818 00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,439 Speaker 1: us he was a model and all sorts of stuff, 819 00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,319 Speaker 1: and I just remember you and I bean like, how 820 00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,399 Speaker 1: do we get out of this? How do we get 821 00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:39,160 Speaker 1: away from this person? Those are wed I'm texting Paul 822 00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,560 Speaker 1: right now to see if he has a good funny memory, 823 00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,520 Speaker 1: because he's so good at like he's a great storytelling. 824 00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,279 Speaker 1: He remembers everything. I mean, you know what's funny. I 825 00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,400 Speaker 1: can't necessarily remember what they were caused by, but I 826 00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:55,920 Speaker 1: just remember the days where we would be like laughing 827 00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,399 Speaker 1: till we were in tears. But it was like, it's 828 00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,919 Speaker 1: only because it was like morning and you couldn't remember. Yeah, 829 00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,440 Speaker 1: like you would just lose your mind after being at 830 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,560 Speaker 1: work for so long. That happened at your wedding. That 831 00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,759 Speaker 1: was Brooke and Julian's wedding, And I do remember. I 832 00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,600 Speaker 1: don't know who I was sitting with, but there was 833 00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:21,080 Speaker 1: also some peach moonshine getting passed around, and guys, I 834 00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,880 Speaker 1: still have one jar in my freezer. I've been saving it. 835 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,440 Speaker 1: What Oh he sent me home with a lot of 836 00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:33,200 Speaker 1: moonshine and I'm down to one last little baby Mason 837 00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:37,000 Speaker 1: jar and I'm like, if anybody drinks this, I will murder. 838 00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,200 Speaker 1: The better share that with us. We need to have 839 00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:47,000 Speaker 1: some come over over cocktail with that. Oh gosh, yes, um, yeah, 840 00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,000 Speaker 1: that's all I remember. There was those big scenes where 841 00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,120 Speaker 1: we're just so tired, and so it had been such 842 00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,080 Speaker 1: a long day and we were you know, underfed or 843 00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:59,440 Speaker 1: overfed or whatever, and just you know, everybody was starting 844 00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,960 Speaker 1: to slip clear alcohol into their water bottles and we 845 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,280 Speaker 1: were all just having long days. And I do remember 846 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,239 Speaker 1: that at Brooke and Julian's wedding, we were all just 847 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,640 Speaker 1: I mean, Greg Prange was directing that episode, I'm pretty sure, 848 00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:14,480 Speaker 1: and he was so irritated with us. Come on, we 849 00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:19,200 Speaker 1: everybody wants to get out of here. We're like, there's 850 00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,040 Speaker 1: also nothing worse than getting the church giggles in an 851 00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:28,600 Speaker 1: actual church, because the echo makes it so much worse. Oh, 852 00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,560 Speaker 1: it's awful. You can't look at anybody and you just 853 00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:35,400 Speaker 1: start bursting into fits of laughter. Lisa Goldstein and I 854 00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:41,200 Speaker 1: used to get the church gettles sud so bad. My god, 855 00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,640 Speaker 1: she's a fun person to giggle with. Should we spin 856 00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:47,640 Speaker 1: a wheel? Yeah, let's spin a wheel most likely to 857 00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:57,080 Speaker 1: win the lottery and lose the ticket? Me. God, no, guys, 858 00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,720 Speaker 1: I can't even get in line at like six Flags 859 00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,480 Speaker 1: or Disneyland or wherever. I will get in the line 860 00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,439 Speaker 1: with my ticket, and by the time I reached the front, 861 00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:08,040 Speaker 1: I have no idea where the ticket is counter. You're 862 00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:09,799 Speaker 1: just like, I don't, I don't know what number I 863 00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,000 Speaker 1: am I being. Probably you need one of those little 864 00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,399 Speaker 1: clear pouches that hangs out a lanyard around your neck 865 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,520 Speaker 1: that you can just put all your stuff in. I 866 00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:24,400 Speaker 1: do I need a tourist lanyard? No? No, no, no, 867 00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,920 Speaker 1: I mean, look, who's scattered I mean, it's not a 868 00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,080 Speaker 1: scatter brain thing so much as it is h I'm busy, 869 00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,440 Speaker 1: What do you want from me? Better things? To focus 870 00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,520 Speaker 1: on this tiny piece of paper unless the tiny piece 871 00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,480 Speaker 1: of papers were the hundred million dollars, and then it's 872 00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,680 Speaker 1: extremely unfortunate. I mean, a character on the show is 873 00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:46,880 Speaker 1: for sure Keith, like Keith loses the lot of sweet man. 874 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,759 Speaker 1: You're right, Okay, it's Joy and it's Keith. Yeah, yeah, 875 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:59,839 Speaker 1: what a winning comment. We finally fit together, all right. 876 00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,160 Speaker 1: I can't wait for the next episode. By season two 877 00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:09,760 Speaker 1: twenty one, what would see by? Hey, thanks for listening. 878 00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,120 Speaker 1: Don't forget to leave us a review. 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