1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number sixteen. 5 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,479 Speaker 1: Today we're joined by Bill Wink of Midwest white Tail, 6 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: and in this episode, we're going to dive into the 7 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: thrilling but equally frustrating challenge of hunting for a single 8 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: specific buck. So stick around and enjoy. All right, Welcome 9 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. As always with me 10 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: is my co host Dan Johnson, and joining us as 11 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: a special guest today is Bill Wink of Midwest white Tail. 12 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Bill, Hey, it's good to be here. 13 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: My pleasure excellent. Yeah, we really appreciate you joining. Um. 14 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: You know, right when me and Dan started the show 15 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: earlier this year, one of the first people we thought 16 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: about having on the show was Used. So we're excited 17 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: to have you. And I think, you know, given the 18 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: fact it's almost August, a lot of people are are 19 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: really getting the itch for white tail hunting, so I 20 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: think it's perfect that we're gonna get talk to you. 21 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: And as I mentioned in the intro, you know you're 22 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: the creator of Midwest white Tail dot Com and the 23 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: host of Midwest white Tail TV. But for maybe those 24 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: that don't know, could you share with us a little 25 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: bit about, you know, how you got you know, started 26 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: seriously hunting white tails and how that led to Midwest 27 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 1: white Tail you know, I guess you'd go back a 28 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: ways when you try to figure out, you know, when 29 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: it all started. Obviously, UM, a lot of people who 30 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: are serious hunters started when they were kids, and I 31 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: started when I was a kid. My dad introduced me 32 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: to hunting, but the white tail bug didn't really catch 33 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: me until I was in my probably mid twenties, early 34 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: to mid twenties. UM, where I grew up in Northeast time, 35 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: we had rough grouse, doesn't a few quail. We did 36 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: a lot of duck hunting on the Mississippi River, and 37 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: the deer we're just kind of getting going to Iowa 38 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: back then. So by the time I graduated from high school, 39 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 1: we didn't have a real huntable population the deer. It 40 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: was a big deal if you saw a deer track, 41 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: you know, on a snowy day when you were deer hunting. 42 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 1: So it wasn't a resource that really grabbed a lot 43 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: of people's attention. So it wasn't until later when the 44 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: populations really started to grow, and uh, you know, the 45 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: opportunists kind of jumped in there, and I guess I 46 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: was one of those guys. You know. I saw the 47 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: opportunity to hunt some some big white tails and had 48 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: a lot of permission, you know, and knew a lot 49 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: of people, you know, so it was a natural for 50 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: me to step into that. And uh, Northeast Stile is 51 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: known for the bluff country, the cold Water streams and 52 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: the Mississippi River Valley and all the bluffs around that. 53 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: So it's it's beautiful, classic Midwestern white tailed country. So 54 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: that was kind of my my beginning point it. So 55 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: I evolved from there where I started writing for hunting 56 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 1: magazines and I started in about and uh, I did 57 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 1: that full time for quite a long time. I guess 58 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: it was two thousand eight when I started Midwest Fight 59 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: Tail and prior to that, it was writing and photography 60 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: for the whole preceding years. So you know, the handwriting, 61 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: I guess was on the wall. With the writing business, 62 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: it was it was starting to slow down a lot 63 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: um you could feel the excitement was coming out of it. 64 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: You know, the advertising revenue was starting to go into 65 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: TV a little bit more. Um. The Internet was picking 66 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: up a little bit, but not much. For some reason, 67 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: Print was just starting to, you know, feel a little 68 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: bit sick um. And and I knew it was coming 69 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: because you know, I had my finger on that pulse 70 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: because I was doing so much writing. So I knew 71 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: that I was either going to be bagging drustries at 72 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: Walmart here pretty soon or I needed to find something else. Um. 73 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: So it was kind of one of those things where, 74 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: you know, I didn't feel like we could pull off 75 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: to and television. You know, I just didn't think that 76 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: that I had the experience as a host. And and uh, 77 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: you know, I didn't really have a bunch of people 78 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: beating down my door wanting me to host a show 79 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 1: for them. So I thought that would be easier to 80 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: do something on the web. There's no real you know, 81 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: standard so to speak. There. You know, you're not being 82 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: compared to you know, the top notch programming. You're more 83 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: compared to YouTube, you know. So I felt like we 84 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: could come in a little bit raw and get away 85 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: with it. So we started on the web. And and 86 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: my thought was to produce something that I would like 87 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 1: to watch. And you know, I thought about some of 88 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 1: my own white Chiel hunting heroes, and I thought, you know, 89 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: if I could only see behind the scenes of what 90 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: they're thinking about each day when they go in the field, UM, 91 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: that would really help me to understand what they're doing 92 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: and why they're killing some of these deer. So I thought, 93 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 1: even you know, for for better or for worse, know, 94 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: whether we we do well or don't do well, there's 95 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: gonna be something that we can teach. So the the 96 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: concept of Midwest by tele of course, was to produce 97 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: the shows online as as close to live as we 98 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: can get them. And in some cases, you know, we'd 99 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: kill a deer on Sunday evening and stay up all 100 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: night and it'd be you know, airing on the website 101 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: Monday morning. That was an extreme example, but we've had 102 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: a number of those over the years where we've killed 103 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: one day and it was you know, up on the 104 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: web the next day with all the lessons and the 105 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: adventure of that hunt. So anyway, that was that was 106 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 1: where it started, UM and and it kind of grew 107 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: from there as we gain more skill and more confidence. 108 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: UM involved into the television show, and we're still we 109 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: still like the web better than the television show because 110 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: you know, it's so much more casual. Um, we just 111 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: feel like it's really comfortable, whereas television tends to be 112 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: sometimes a little bit more you know, confining, if you 113 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: want to call it that. You know, we don't get 114 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: to produce exactly what we want to. We have to 115 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: build everything into a certain framework. And then you know, 116 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 1: you can't you can't stray too far from the norm 117 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: where you start to look like, you know, you're an amateur, 118 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: so you kind of have to be you know, kind 119 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: of clean and professional. And you know, we were just 120 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: feel more comfortable letting our hair down and doing the 121 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: stuff on the web. So we'll never get away from 122 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: probably doing both. You know, as long as there's outdoor television, 123 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: we'll probably have Midwest by Tel TV. But um, we 124 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: really do enjoy the web better than that because it's 125 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: it's just so much more fun to produce. Yeah, it's 126 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: it's sure as seemed to have done well for you guys. 127 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: And a kind of story on my end. Back in 128 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: the fall of two thousand nine, I had a job 129 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: that took me out to California for the entire hunting season, 130 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: and so I was just dying not being able to 131 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: be in the woods, not being back home in the Midwest. 132 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: And every day I came home from work and I 133 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 1: watched a new episode of Midwest Tail dot Com. And 134 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: that was when I first discovered to you guys, and 135 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you really helped me just survived that fall. 136 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: It really helped out. So what you guys are doing 137 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: is pretty great and I can definitely attest to that. 138 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think you appreciate it. Midwest White Tail 139 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: is probably the reason at work that I have low productivity. 140 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: Here's another funny. So I had a guy email me 141 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: one time that his buddy got fired because he was 142 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: watching Midwest White Tail at work, and I thought, we know, 143 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: we want people to watch, but we don't want them 144 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: to get fired. People losing their job over over what 145 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: we're producing on the web. No doubt. Now he probably 146 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: hates me. Well yeah, I actually, um, you know, it 147 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: kind of ties into what we want to talk about today. 148 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: But the your Final Hunt for the Double G four Buck. 149 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: When that episode came out and I found out there 150 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: was online, I ended up watching it while I was 151 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: at work two and people were looking over my shoulder 152 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: like what are you doing. I'm like, I'm sorry, this 153 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: is important. I need to watch us right now. So 154 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: so that said, that's that was an epic drama. That 155 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: that whole hunt was pretty amazing because the deer was 156 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: Taylor made for a video because he was so visible, 157 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I had so many people that 158 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: were following along on that story. It was pretty amazing. 159 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and that's That's exactly what we wanted to 160 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: get into today, was to talk about the double G 161 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: four buck and your hunt for for one specific deer. 162 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: But before we get into that, we do usually like 163 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 1: to kind of throw a curveball just to kick things 164 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: off a little bit. So, Dan, I know you've got 165 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: kind of a crazy question you wanted to ask Bill 166 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: to get us off on the right foot. All right, 167 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 1: So this is obviously for everybody, but Bill, if you 168 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: could share a hunt with any person or fictional character, past, present, 169 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:56,319 Speaker 1: of future, who would it be? So who? Who? Who 170 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:01,599 Speaker 1: would I go hunting with? That's correct? Oh gosh. You know. 171 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: The cop out to answer, of course, is to say, well, 172 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: I want to go hunting with my son or something 173 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: like that. And and and you know, I think if 174 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 1: I only had one hunt for the rest of my life, 175 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: I'm sure I want to spend it with a family member. 176 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 1: Most people would, but let's just throw that one out 177 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 1: and say that one's too easy. I think it'd be 178 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 1: fun to go deer hunting with Jack Nicholas Nice. That's 179 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: who I think, because I know he likes deer hunting, 180 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I I loved golf, you know, 181 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: from the I guess when I was eighteen years old. 182 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: I took the game up and just tell a love 183 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:30,599 Speaker 1: with it. And of course back then Jack was the 184 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 1: man um. So it'd be kind of fun to to 185 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: get on some kind of common ground and I could 186 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: pick his brain about what it's really like, you know, 187 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: playing professional golf, and we could have some fun hunting deer. 188 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: But I've never I've never met him. I've heard that 189 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:45,719 Speaker 1: he's a pretty serious deer hunter, so i'd be a 190 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 1: fun one. Oh, I didn't expect that answer. That's a 191 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: good answer. What about what about you? Mark? Uh? Well, 192 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 1: I didn't see this. He'll just not either, So I'm 193 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 1: kind of thrown for a loop. But I think the 194 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: first person that came to mind for me, when I'm 195 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: thinking about hunters in the past, it would be pretty 196 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: cool to spend some time with Teddy Roosevelt. Given his 197 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: hunting experience and his conservation work and kind of everything 198 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: he's done, and that's kind of led to the North 199 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: American hunting experience that we have today. I think it'd 200 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: be pretty cool to spend some time in the woods 201 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: with him. So I think that's what i'd picked, maybe 202 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 1: right if he'd be quite a leader, I'm sure it'd 203 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: be fun to see how he you know, how he 204 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: handled himself. Oh yeah, absolutely, how about you? Well, well, 205 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,719 Speaker 1: I went off the deep end with this one. Uh, 206 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: mine is a fictional character. And uh if you've seen 207 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: the movie Point Break with Keanu Reeves and Patrick Swayze, 208 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: I would I would love to go hunting with body 209 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: Patrick Swayze's character, the bank robbing surfer. Only only you, Dan, 210 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: only you that I love you to ask me if 211 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: you'd ask me for my top two thousand, I wouldn't 212 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: have come up with that one. Okay, Well, let's hang 213 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: up right now then, I guess we have nothing else 214 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 1: to talk about. That's one of my favorite movies of 215 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: all time. Well, I've certainly seen the movie. I just 216 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: don't think I would have want would have picked him 217 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: as a hunting partner. Oh jeez. Well that said, then, um, 218 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: maybe we should we should move into the original topic 219 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: being hunting one specific buck. And as we talked about 220 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: just a few minutes ago, your hunt for the double 221 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: G four buck was really, like you said, an epic 222 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: drama and a perfect example of this kind of situation. 223 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 1: So maybe to to kick off this conversation, you know, 224 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: could you share with us maybe a brief, high level 225 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: overview of that story of your hunt for the G 226 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: four buck, and then we can dive into some specific 227 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,599 Speaker 1: tactics and things that happened all the way. Yeah, I 228 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: will the deer. When I first started following him, let's say, 229 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: was it was a three year old. I didn't try 230 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 1: to kill him that year, but we looked pretty good. 231 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: He was probably mid one, but he had two G 232 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: four side by side on both of his beams, and 233 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: that's how he got his name. Well, the next year, 234 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: as a four year old, his one side, I can't 235 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: remember which side now, I think it was his right 236 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: side was withered a little bit. His left side. If 237 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: he would have matched up his left side. He's probably 238 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 1: been high one sixties pushing one seventy ten pointer, but 239 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: now he only had one G four. You know, so 240 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 1: everybody kind of asked you, why did you have such 241 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: a dumb name for this deer. Well, when we first 242 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: started following the deer, he had two G fours on 243 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: each side. But so anyway, I tried to kill him 244 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: as a four year old, and since then I've kind 245 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: of changed my tune a little bit on the age 246 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: when I started hunting him, But it wouldn't really have 247 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: mattered with that deer because he didn't he didn't really 248 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: give us a lot of opportunities. I saw him twice, 249 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: that would have been during the two thousand nine seasons, 250 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: and hunting him pretty much every day. You know, I 251 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 1: would say I was open to, you know, the the 252 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: field a little bit too, other bucks that might come by, 253 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 1: but I was trying to stay as close to the 254 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: area where I thought he lived as I could find. 255 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: Twice through the whole season, got a few trail camera 256 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: pictures all at night. Um so he was pretty tough, 257 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: pretty tough to pin down. Uh So, then the next year, 258 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: so he would have been a five year old in 259 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:17,719 Speaker 1: two thousand ten, right, Yeah, and he made a big 260 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 1: jump from from four to five. He was probably just 261 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 1: under one as a five year old, really pretty tan 262 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 1: pointer and didn't see him at all. Hunted him pretty 263 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: much NonStop the whole season. Got some trail camera pictures 264 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: of him all at that night in the dark. So 265 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: basically the five year old, he was a ghost. Um. 266 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 1: Then as a six year old, this would be two 267 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 1: thousand and eleven, that was when he grew his biggest frame. 268 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: Um he was right around two or five ish at 269 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: that point, a big mixed by five frame with short browse. 270 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,719 Speaker 1: I mean he's putting it all into his twos and 271 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: threes and fours. So he had really long times, real 272 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 1: long be I can't remember all the dimensions exactly, but 273 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:04,719 Speaker 1: you know when you saw him step out, it was 274 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: like holy you know that frame just grabbed your attention. 275 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: So um, he was quite a lot more visible as 276 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: a six year old. In fact, a lot of times 277 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: he would be the first year that came out into 278 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: the field in the evenings, and I had a lot 279 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: of encounters with him. I think I had two encounters 280 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: within forty yards, three encounters within forty yards that year. Um, 281 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: one only got one shot off hit him up high 282 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: in the hump. It was just you know, he ducked 283 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: the string a little bit, and you know it was 284 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: probably a little bit out of sorts, uh, you know, 285 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: maybe a slight bit of buck fever with the way 286 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: that the situation went down, trying to shoot out of 287 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: a ground blind and having to jump from window the window, 288 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: and you know, my my wits weren't really you know, 289 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: just aligned up perfectly. So anyway, I hit him and 290 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: lost him. And that was a late season hunt. That 291 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: was an early January hunt, and he popped right back 292 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: up again on the same food plot right after the 293 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: season flow. So a couple of days after season closed, 294 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: I had trail camera pictures. They've been back again, so 295 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: I knew he was fine. Ran the camera there over 296 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: corn until he shed, and I knew which one he 297 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: was because he had a little notch out of his 298 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: ear and he had like a black spot on his face, 299 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: so I could tell, you know, even without antlers, which 300 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: there he was. As soon as I got a few 301 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: pictures of him. Were the first day without antlers, we 302 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: went in there and we found both sides. Um. I 303 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: think he scored ninety five and nine two with the 304 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: two sides, and uh, of course that was you know, 305 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: now he was under my skin after hunting him that 306 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: much and holding the antlers and getting a shot at 307 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: him and you know, making a high hit and losing him. Um. 308 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: So the next year it was kind of all out. 309 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: You know, it was all out in two thousand and 310 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: two thousand and eleven, two, But by two twelves, you know, 311 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: we had him pretty well zeroed in, and uh, you 312 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: had to make a long story short, you know, I 313 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: had a number of encounters with him in two thousand 314 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: and twelve and finally killed him. I think it was 315 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: a third of nob hunting out of a tree stand 316 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: and his core area, or let's say, his his entire 317 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: range continued to shrink as he got older. So he 318 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: was seven years old when I killed him, um, and 319 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: he was probably living in about not much more than 320 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: thirty acres. I don't think, because we ran cameras enough 321 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: around there that if he would have been traveling outside 322 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: of that area, we'd have been picking him up here 323 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: and there, you know, at least occasionally, and we never did. 324 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: You know, we had to go right in there in 325 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: order to get pictures of him, and then it was 326 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: just NonStop pictures. I mean, he was very, very visible 327 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: within that small range. And again you know, as a 328 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: seven year old, he was probably the most visible, one 329 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: of the most visible beer on the whole farm. So 330 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: that made him, you know, Taylor made for video if 331 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: he was giant. And when I killed him, he scored 332 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: two or six, actually scored a little bit higher total 333 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: growth score, but it was more massive and a few 334 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: more sticker points, and he lost some of that just 335 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: you know, that size of better frame, you know, the 336 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: big long kinds and long beams. Everything kind of shrank 337 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: down just a little bit, but he got a little 338 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: bit heavier. But anyway, um, he was tailor made for 339 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: what we were doing, you know with the online video, 340 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: because I'd say at least the coin toss, if we 341 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: went into the area where we planned to hunt him, 342 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: that we would see him that evening. And you know, 343 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: how often are you going to hunt pussage deer where 344 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: you know chance and he's going to come out. It's 345 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 1: it's us, you know. So we got a chance to 346 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: learn a lot from that deer. And and there's a 347 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: lot of strategies that went into it. You know, I 348 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: could I could probably talk for two hours about you know, 349 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: some of the trade offs and and some of the 350 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: decisions that I made, you know, with respect where to 351 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: run cameras and how often to check him, and and 352 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: you know when to make the move, you know, when 353 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: when I had an idea of where he was and 354 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: stuff like that. I mean, there was there was a 355 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: lot that went into that hunt. But you know, it's 356 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: it's something that a fair amount of it has just 357 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: come and say. And more than anything, I guess that 358 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: there's a real lesson in it. Because his his range 359 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: was so small. I was super conservative and even though 360 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: sometimes I have a pattern on him in the middle 361 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 1: of his range, you know, had a camera right down 362 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: in a little valley and I think five days in 363 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: a row he walked past that camera on a on 364 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 1: a crossing over a ditch is just a tube that 365 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: we put in to get from one little small field 366 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 1: to another with the equipment. I had a camera on there, 367 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: and I think five days in a row he walked 368 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,959 Speaker 1: through there an hour before sunset. Um. You know, when 369 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: I was pulling the camera every day or every couple 370 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 1: of days, you know, it would have been really tempting 371 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: to say, oh gosh, we need to be down there, 372 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: but then you run the risk of swirling winds or 373 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: something like that, you know, giving you away. So we 374 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: just stayed very conservative as we hunted him and disfiguring 375 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 1: that you know, the deer's probably not going to leave 376 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: this range because you know, he spent so much time 377 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 1: in there now and we've never seen him leave, so 378 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: it doesn't make any sense to get really aggressive with 379 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 1: him and and you know, kind of put him off 380 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: his daylight activity. We just bided our time and finally 381 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: got lucky enough to get a good clean shot at him. 382 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 1: But anyway, that's uh. You know, I could, like I said, 383 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: I could, I could go on for a couple of 384 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: hours on some of the trade off spalls. I'll let 385 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 1: you throw a couple of questions at me if something 386 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: jumps out at you. Yeah, absolutely, Like you said, we 387 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 1: we'd love to talk with you for about this for 388 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: two hours, but if we since we've got limited time, 389 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: what do you think were the you know, the two 390 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: biggest takeaways you know that came out of this that 391 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: you think could be applied to someone out there, Um, 392 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 1: you know who has spotted a deer this summer. Let's 393 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: say he knows that this is the one and in 394 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: this year, I'm not going to shoot any deer but 395 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: this one for that guy or girl. You know, what 396 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: would you say would be the two most important lessons 397 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: you could share with them right now to help them 398 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 1: achieve that goal this summer or this fall. Well, the 399 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: most frustrating, some of the most frustrating frustrating I've ever 400 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 1: been was the year that I hunted him every day 401 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: for like sixty years so days and they're more and 402 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: never saw him. Um So, one thing I've say is 403 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: I wouldn't get super serious about a buck until he 404 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: starts showing daylight activity. And that's something that I've definitely 405 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: changed over the past three or four years. I used 406 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: to find a great, big deer or or you know, 407 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: a bigger than average buck something I wanted to shoot, 408 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 1: and I would start hunting him, and I didn't really 409 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: pay that much attention to what time of the day 410 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 1: I was getting the pictures. And now that's the first 411 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 1: thing I look at. You know, I don't even care 412 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 1: how big he is, but I want to know is 413 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 1: is he killable? So I'm always trying to figure out, 414 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: you know, which bucks on our farm are actually killable, 415 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: So that's probably already number one. I think if you're 416 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: running drug hampers quite a bit um focus in on 417 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: the ones that are killable, because really, at the end 418 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: of the day, you know, it's supposed to be fun, 419 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 1: and you know, if you're sitting there, you know, day 420 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: after day after day waiting on a buck that's basically 421 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: a ghost, um, that's not really that much fun. You know, 422 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: maybe you'll get him, maybe he'll slip up, you know, 423 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 1: but if he's not showing any evidence of moving during 424 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: the day, you know, he's very unlikely to to, you know, 425 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: all of a sudden. You know. The only exceptions in 426 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: my mind are that little brief window when the first 427 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 1: dough in his core area comes into the astros. You know, 428 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: so you're looking at getting lucky and catching that. But 429 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: sometime between let's say the thirty one of October and 430 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 1: the fifth or sixth or something like that of November, 431 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: maybe the seventh, somewhere in there, you know, he's likely 432 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 1: to to mess up and then uh, that first really 433 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: hard cold snap after the rut. A lot of times 434 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: you can get bucks that haven't been moving at any 435 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: other time in daylight, you can get him out in 436 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: the open. But other than that, I don't like to 437 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,360 Speaker 1: hunt and buck. This is not showing some daylight activity 438 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: on the trail cameras. And and then the next step is, 439 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: UM is just trying to figure out as much as 440 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: you can about the range of the deer, because what 441 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 1: you're really looking for is the place where you've got 442 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: an advantage. You know, you don't necessarily want to say, well, 443 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: he's and he's going through here, Like I said, you know, 444 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: I knew he was going through that one ditch crossing 445 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: almost every day an hour before the end of legal 446 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: shooting time. Um, that didn't really help me that much 447 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: because I knew I couldn't hunt him there, uh, you know, 448 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: without potentially messing the spot up. So you gotta you 449 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: gotta spread your net wide enough where you get a 450 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: pretty good sense of of the range, the full range 451 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: that the deer's using. It also what time in the 452 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: day he's using in those parts of his range. So 453 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: I don't know, he just gotta learn a lot and 454 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: and truck cameras are really good for that. I mean, 455 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: you can learn a ton, you know, running cameras. And 456 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: you know, I was always really careful you're trying to 457 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 1: make sure that I kept the cameras away from I 458 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: think we're going to get an interruption here here the 459 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: EPs man coming down the driveway. But he's uh, yep, 460 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: there he is. I'll head him off and keep him 461 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: from jumping in here with whatever he's dropping off. But 462 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: the so, the the main thing is you've got to 463 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: find a place where is killable, and you've got to 464 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 1: find a buck that's killable. And there's a lot of 465 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: ways you can do that, you know, and some of 466 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 1: it's just common sense and some of the stuff that 467 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: we've learned the hard way, you know over the years. 468 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 1: You know, and on different strategies for running the cameras. 469 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: You know, whether you put it over bay to put 470 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: over trails where they use you know, the time laps 471 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: or field scan mode on a food plot and check 472 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: the camera every day. You know, what's the trade off 473 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: between where you put the camera versus the possibility of 474 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: educating the deer. So it's all kind of a little delicate, 475 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: maybe almost an art um to figure out how you 476 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: can learn as much as you can without educating the buck. 477 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: Did I get long winded on you? There? No, No, 478 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: that's uh, that's the stuff I'm particularly interested in as 479 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: well as and I think our our listeners probably are 480 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: as well. And I think it'd be great if maybe 481 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: you could dive into a little bit more just about 482 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: specifically how you use those cameras, because, like you said, 483 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: that's a tool that I think is perfect for this 484 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: type of kind of mission or project, is patterning a 485 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 1: single buck. But I think sometimes people struggle. Like you said, 486 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: there's a lot of giver takes there. So what have 487 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: you found? I could walk you through exactly what I 488 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: did with this deer, but I think every situation is 489 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: going to be a little bit different. That's why it 490 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: turns into an art rather than a science, because you 491 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: kind of have to factor the personality of the deer 492 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: and when you're trying to figure out, you know, how 493 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: to go about, um, you know, around the cameras on him. 494 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: But this one I started out, he was covering a 495 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: lot of ground at first, the first few years that 496 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 1: I hunted him, and I wasn't picking up brain many 497 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: pictures of him anywhere. But the whole key is, again, 498 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 1: you've gotta have enough cameras and enough locations, and there 499 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: should be sort of like key areas. Maybe every I mean, 500 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: I was probably every acre with a camera, I would guess. 501 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 1: And in Iowa it's legal to put a camera on 502 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: a corn pile as long as you don't hunt anywhere 503 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 1: near there or any trails leading to it. Um. In 504 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 1: some states that's not legal to put a camera over bait. 505 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: So it's a little it takes a little bit longer 506 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: to get an inventor and uh, you know, figure out 507 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: what's going on. But you can do that by running 508 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: the cameras over small feeding areas, the back end of 509 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: a larger field, or maybe a food plot, putting cameras 510 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: on creek crossings and stuff like that. I mean, there's 511 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: still ways to do it. You just have to stay 512 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: away from the betting areas. I guess that's what it 513 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 1: boils down to. Um. I didn't take any risks at 514 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: all with the areas where I knew that he was 515 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: figured that he was betting. And every time I went 516 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 1: in to check a camera, I always wore waiters, and 517 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 1: that way I didn't leave any scent. Um. You know, 518 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: a good a good set of PBC waiters acrost you 519 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: like forty bucks or fifty bucks or whatever it is. 520 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: At Caddalla's and that's the cheapest insurance that you can 521 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: buy for not leaving any scent because you can walk 522 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 1: through waste high grass, um, you can do a lot 523 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: of stuff, climb fences, you can do all kinds of 524 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: stuff in those tall waiters, and you don't leave any 525 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: scent behind. Um. So you know, there's a couple of 526 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: things there. The other you know, my thing was always 527 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: to start wide and start with a big net. Um, 528 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 1: and you try to figure out, you know, where is 529 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: the full range of this beer, like we've talked about 530 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: that real quick. And then as you start to figure 531 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: that out, thank you, and you start to figure that out, 532 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: then you narrow in and you start to close in 533 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: on those areas where you know, okay, this is his range. 534 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: You know, there's no point in keeping running these cameras 535 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: clear out over here because I'm getting you know, every 536 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: day or just about every day here here and here. Um. 537 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: So let me start zeroing in. And you say, okay, 538 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: where else? How is he coming into the field. So 539 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: you look at the first sequence of photos that you 540 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: get in the evening and and and you can see 541 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 1: that he's about his pointing towards the north every time. 542 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: You know, in the first couple of photos that you get, 543 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: so you figure, okay, he's bet he's betting someplace to 544 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: the north of here. You might want to drop a 545 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 1: camera someplace on that end of the opening, that end 546 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: of the field, maybe a trail, you know, or somehow 547 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: try to work backwards, um, to anticipate maybe where he's 548 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 1: betting at and and little by little you can kind 549 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 1: of construct the whole story. Um. And some they are 550 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: more programmable than others. The older they get, it seems 551 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: like the more patternable they are, which seems, you know, 552 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: the opposite of what we've been taught over the years. 553 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: But I've certainly seen it here, you know, many many times. 554 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: You know, the older they get, the easier they get 555 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: to pattern and easier they get to kill. Um past 556 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: age five, you know, it seems like, you know, three 557 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: they're fairly easy to kill. At four and five they 558 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 1: can be really tough to kill him. And it seems 559 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: like at six they start to get easier again. Um. 560 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 1: You know, just in a lot of parts of the country. Unfortunately, 561 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: they're never get to be six, so you know, people 562 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: don't get a chance to see that takes play. Um. 563 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: So anyway, UM, I I then will narrow in on 564 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: some specific spots where I think I've got a chance 565 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 1: to kill him, and then I'm completely away from any 566 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 1: kind of bait by this point, you know, I mean, 567 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not running bait on cameras once I've 568 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 1: sort of narrowed in on where i want to try 569 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: to hunt the deer at because I don't want to 570 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: have any issues with you know, any baiting issues. So 571 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: I'm either running on trails or more than likely um 572 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: near an opening or a food source with the camera 573 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 1: on what's either the field scan mode or the time 574 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: laps mode, depending on the camera, and it just takes 575 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: the picture, you know. For me, I want to pictures 576 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: as as often as I can get one, But most 577 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: cameras are set for a minute. Um. So if that's 578 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: the case, sometimes I'll put two cameras out so they're 579 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: out of phase, you know, so I'll get one you know, 580 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: maybe every thirty seconds the rather than every minute, because 581 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: you know, deer can walk across an opening in in 582 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: a minute and you don't get so might put one 583 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: on one end facing in and one camera on the 584 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: other end facing in, and I've got them both set 585 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: to this time laps mode and then I'll pull the card. 586 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: I'll literally pull the card every day. Um speak in 587 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: there at noon with my waiters on pull the cards 588 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: look at him. I've even gone so far as to 589 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: is to go in, you know, with the cameraman and 590 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: in all of our stuff and bring a laptop and 591 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: if you if I didn't see any day on activity, 592 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: we can leave. We don't hunt. But if there was 593 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: daylight activity, we climbed into a tree. So you know, 594 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: that's the whole thing is is just trying to figure out, 595 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: you know, where is he moving during the day. And 596 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: as soon as I'm getting day on activity in a buck, 597 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: I want to hunt. Um that's when I would be 598 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: a lot more aggressive and make my move up. Until then, 599 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: I just I'm just sort of watching and waiting. Um. 600 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: You know, it sounds like maybe I'm not spending very 601 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: much time in the tree, but there's obviously other bucks 602 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: you can hunt to, you know, and if if you've 603 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: only got one tag and one deer in mind, it 604 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: doesn't do any good to be out there and the field. 605 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: If all you're doing is messing it up, it sounds 606 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: bad that you're better off sitting at home. Then you 607 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: are out there, you know, beating around, you know, leaving 608 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: scent and and potentially educating deer that aren't moving during 609 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: the day. Yeah, just put your time in, you wait, 610 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: and then as soon as the deer gives you the 611 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: green light, then you make your move. Yeah, it's a 612 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: it's a hard lesson to learn. But I think you know, 613 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: I'm is starting to come up on that in my 614 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: own experience too, is that it's it's a lot more 615 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: about the quality of the hunt versus the quantity. And yeah, 616 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: makes a handful of really good hunts is way better 617 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: than than thirty mediocre hunts. So true, so true, better 618 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: so so Bill. I know you've got a hard stop talking. 619 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: I know you've got a hard stop on time here 620 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: coming up soon. Um, but but really quick, Dan, did 621 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: you have any thoughts or questions on this before we 622 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: say about a bill here? Yeah, I really like to 623 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: talk about failure and how people can learn from, uh, 624 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 1: learn from their mistakes. Um. Obviously you are successful with 625 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: the G four buck. But a hypothetical question or how 626 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: would your your actions have changed if you found out 627 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: like your neighbor killed them the G four buck or 628 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: another or he died or he stopped showing up on 629 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: trail cameras. Do you have a plan and be Usually 630 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: I'll have another buck or something that I'm that I've 631 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: got in the back of my mind. Um, I'm not 632 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: too hung up. I mean I was hung up on 633 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,239 Speaker 1: that deer for sure, because you know, after hunting him 634 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: for that many hours and that many days, that many years, 635 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: you know, I really wanted to get him. Plus he 636 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,239 Speaker 1: was really big, you know, and it was cool. Um, 637 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: but you know, and you know, to stay on that 638 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: subject real quick, I was kind of sad when I 639 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: killed him, though. It really did take a lot of 640 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: wind out of my sales. Not because you know, I 641 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: only wanted to kill a deer that big again, that 642 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: wasn't it. It was because it was such a fun hunt. 643 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: You know, those years that quest for that buck was 644 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: so much fun. It was so consuming, it was so entertaining. 645 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: And then when he was gone, I was like, gosh, 646 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: you know, I gotta find, you know, something else to 647 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,479 Speaker 1: take his place, because that was a lot of fun. Um. 648 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: So anyway, I've usually got more than one in mind, 649 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: so if something happens to one, I'll move on. But 650 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: I've made a lot of mistakes even with that deer. Um. 651 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 1: You know, so it's not you know, I was ultimately successful, 652 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 1: but I had a lot of failures along the way. 653 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: And I think that's a good lesson for people too, 654 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: is that you know, you're you're gonna have a lot 655 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: of failures in this game, and the failures that that 656 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: are best are the ones with a deer don't know 657 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: what happened. If they know that a person in that 658 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: tree inflicted you know, some kind of fear or you know, injury, 659 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: they're gonna be a lot harder to kill in the future. 660 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: And I was really lucky with that deer was he 661 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: never really figured out what was going on. I don't 662 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: think he knew in that whole four years that he 663 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: was being hunted. Um, So even when I screwed up, 664 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: it was, you know, he just never quite figured it out, 665 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: which is good. But you know, there there's a lot 666 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: of there's a lot of mistakes along the way, for sure, 667 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: and every every mistake teaches a lesson. And I think 668 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: that's the main thing too, you know, we just keep 669 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: learning every year. I was trying to figure out at 670 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: the end of every season what I learned that year 671 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: that I want to either do better. We're avoid doing 672 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 1: the next season because you know, I just want to 673 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: keep getting better at it, because I like shooting these things, 674 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: you know, and it's fun to learn. It's fun to 675 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: figure out what the deer doing and and you know, 676 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: the best place to put yourself in the right spot. 677 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: So true, that's uh, that is what it's all about. 678 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: Just gosh, they find a way to to screw us 679 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: up a whole lot, but when we do figure it out, 680 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: it's pretty rewarding, that's for sure. So so Bill, I 681 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 1: know you've got you've got a hard stop here, so 682 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: I want to be respectful that time and let you 683 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: go here. But thank you so so much for joining us. 684 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: This has been really interesting. Yeah, I know, my pleasure. 685 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: And uh yeah, I'm certainly happy to to jump on 686 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: again sometimes if you if you want me. And and uh, 687 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: you know, today it was just a tough one. I've 688 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: got a couple of things coming up here I've got 689 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 1: to go do so, um, you know, I'm gonna have 690 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: to run, but you know, otherwise, you know, just check 691 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: back with me, and I'm about to join you guys again. 692 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: Sounds great, but well, we'll be sure to include links 693 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: to Midwest white tail dot com on the blog post 694 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: for this podcast, and we'll direct people to check out 695 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: the TV show too. So thanks again, Bill, awesome. I 696 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Take care guys. You two. Yeah, I have 697 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:20,240 Speaker 1: a good one. Well that was that was really interesting 698 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 1: And I wish we could have talked to Bill for 699 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,280 Speaker 1: longer because I could have listened to him talk about 700 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: this topic for like you said, two hours. But that said, Dan, 701 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: you know what, what did you think about this? Well? 702 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: I think the point that is trying to be made 703 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 1: here is or that I that I got from it, 704 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: is you have to be patient to kill a giant. 705 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: And he definitely played his cards right. Um, like he said, 706 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,360 Speaker 1: he made a mistake, but when he made his mistakes, 707 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,320 Speaker 1: they were good mistakes. You can learn from it that 708 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: they didn't spook the deer, didn't leave the property. Uh, 709 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 1: it didn't really know like you said, it was being hunted. 710 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: But I think patients going in after these things is 711 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: kind of a trend that we're starting to see here 712 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: with all these all these people that were talking to Yeah, 713 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: so true, and that's you know, I think it's so 714 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: true no matter if you're hunting any deer, but especially 715 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: if you're hunting one specific deer, is you've got this 716 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 1: strange um conflict of two things you want to do. 717 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,399 Speaker 1: You you want to gather as much information as possible, right, 718 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 1: you need trial camera pictures, you need sightings, you need 719 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 1: observation data to figure out, Okay, where do I need 720 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: to be to kill this deer, this one deer. But 721 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: at the same time, because you have one deer you're 722 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: going after, the chances of blowing it are so much 723 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,359 Speaker 1: more astronomical than if you were after ten different deer, 724 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 1: So you've got to be so much more careful. So 725 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 1: it's a really fine line you're walking. And it's I 726 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: think that's though, why it makes it so exciting and 727 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: fascinating and fun to do that. And um, you know, 728 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: I just recently got to experience something like this for 729 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 1: the first time, you know, hunting um one deer that 730 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 1: the deer I killed this past December for three years, 731 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: and not to the degree that Bill had it. But 732 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: I was able to to learn some of his specific 733 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: patterns and figure it out some of the certain areas 734 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 1: that he was consistently traveling to in the consistent areas 735 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 1: I believed he was betting him and then you know, 736 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,479 Speaker 1: I had to do exactly what Bill said, and let's 737 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 1: be really careful about when I hunt that property where 738 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 1: I thought he was living, because I thought, if I 739 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: screw up once, maybe twice, it's it's game over. So 740 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,800 Speaker 1: in my case, I was really particular about when I 741 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: was going to hunt. My hunt in the first two 742 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: days of the season, the first two first two weekend 743 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,399 Speaker 1: days of the season, and then I didn't come back 744 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: and hunt again until the very end of October. UM 745 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: because I was just waiting for you know, there wasn't 746 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: a big coal friend I could hit on, so I 747 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,240 Speaker 1: decided to wait till that a little pre rat action started. 748 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,239 Speaker 1: UM just went in a handful more times after that, 749 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: and I still screwed up plenty of things, but I 750 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 1: learned a lot from that deer, and and the fact 751 00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: that I ended up killing him, um interestingly not exactly 752 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 1: where I was planning on killing him, but I still 753 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,400 Speaker 1: still was able to get a shot him. I definitely 754 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 1: took some things away from that experience that UM kind 755 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 1: of fall right in line with what Bill said. And 756 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 1: now this year, I'm just really hopeful that the old 757 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: leaner the buck I've been hunting the secondary buck other 758 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 1: than six years. That's been around here for two years. 759 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 1: This will be my third year after him. He'll be 760 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 1: an absolute, absolute giant if he's still around. So I'm 761 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,279 Speaker 1: still waiting hoping he'll show up on camera one of 762 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,800 Speaker 1: these days. But we'll see. Yeah, I've had I know 763 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: exactly what he's talking about. I there was a deer 764 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 1: I I called Shipwreck, and um, I think I've talked 765 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,320 Speaker 1: to you about him, and I had an encounter with 766 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: him as a shoot. I don't even know anymore he was. 767 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 1: I I shot him and he was probably two inches 768 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 1: and never found him. And I had followed that deer 769 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 1: for four years. The fifth year, the neighbor shot him 770 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: and was on the cover of North American White Tail. 771 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 1: So so I put all my eggs in the basket 772 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,879 Speaker 1: for that, for that buck, and it paid off when 773 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 1: I had the encounter with him. But I almost think 774 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,360 Speaker 1: that I spent too much time hunting that deer and 775 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 1: not going after others, um just because it's almost like 776 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,360 Speaker 1: I became obsessed with him. I literally thought about that 777 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,919 Speaker 1: deer every day for almost four years. And it brings 778 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: up a good a good question. You know. Now we've 779 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 1: talked to Bill and he talked about how to target 780 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 1: one specific deer and how to go about hunting a deer. 781 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: But you know, should you try to hunt one specific deer? 782 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,759 Speaker 1: And the question being, like you just said, you know, 783 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,760 Speaker 1: is it worth? Is all the excitement and the drama 784 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 1: and everything leading up to trying to kill that one 785 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 1: dear worth the obsession and the struggle and um, you know, 786 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 1: the maybe the heartbreak in the case that you know 787 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 1: where your deer was shot by someone else. You know, 788 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,439 Speaker 1: what do you think now you've looked back, Um, you're 789 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,360 Speaker 1: saying maybe it wasn't worth it. Well, for this particular instant, 790 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,600 Speaker 1: every everything, I wouldn't I wouldn't change anything because I 791 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 1: learned so much in that for your period hunting, that 792 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,320 Speaker 1: hunting that deer, that it's made me the kind of 793 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,279 Speaker 1: hunter that I am today. I was willing to eat 794 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 1: my tag and I still am willing to eat my 795 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 1: tag Every year I go hunting if I don't find 796 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 1: a deer that makes my jaw drop or makes me 797 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,839 Speaker 1: get the shakes. And I have a little bit higher 798 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,800 Speaker 1: standards than than a lot of people. And that's not 799 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 1: sound cocky or anything. It's just the way I hunt. 800 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,800 Speaker 1: I don't need to kill to have a successful hunting season. 801 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 1: But I also I don't know. It's it's just it's 802 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,719 Speaker 1: hard to explain because you want to you want to 803 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,799 Speaker 1: have these memories, uh you know when you get older 804 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 1: and have these these mounts or racks or anything. But 805 00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: at the same time, you can't kill. And it all 806 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 1: comes back to you can't kill a giant if you're 807 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 1: shooting small deer. Very true. It's all about that choice. 808 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 1: So you wanna yeah, yeah, So what do you think? 809 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 1: So the go ahead, I was just gonna say, what 810 00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 1: do you think? You know? Was that the single greatest 811 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,480 Speaker 1: lesson from a hunting perspective? Actually, you know, tactic wise 812 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,400 Speaker 1: when you were hunting shipwreck? What was it that you 813 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,239 Speaker 1: took away from that that you think you can apply 814 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:34,560 Speaker 1: to future hunts man, It's one of those things that 815 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 1: you can't. You just need experience. With big deer two, 816 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 1: I'm not joking. When he stepped out and I had 817 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,400 Speaker 1: him at twenty two yards at full draw, I was 818 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 1: shaken so bad that I don't I it's like you 819 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:55,280 Speaker 1: you such an adrenaline dump that I was. I couldn't 820 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 1: remember the encounter. It took me. It took me like 821 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 1: hours and hour to recall what had actually happened, because 822 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,799 Speaker 1: and and as you get more experienced with bigger deer, 823 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,400 Speaker 1: you know, some of these these professional hunters, if you 824 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 1: want to call them, these celebrities, they've had such encounters 825 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,800 Speaker 1: with you know, so big of so many encounters with 826 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:20,320 Speaker 1: these big deer that it looks like they're not enjoying it. 827 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,960 Speaker 1: But you know that, you know that saying act like 828 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,640 Speaker 1: you've been there. If you win a championship or something 829 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,759 Speaker 1: like that, that's how you have to act one of 830 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,720 Speaker 1: big bucks in there, because if you let your emotions 831 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:37,359 Speaker 1: get the best of you, then then you've already lost. 832 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,879 Speaker 1: Because that's that's exactly what happened to me. All those 833 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 1: four years of anticipation finally came to a head, and 834 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,719 Speaker 1: I blew the shot. I mean, I shot him high. 835 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,520 Speaker 1: And that's that's that's user error. That's me. Yeah. Well, 836 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 1: I gotta say, though, I gotta commend to you because 837 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,839 Speaker 1: if if I had a two tenants or whatever buck 838 00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:58,480 Speaker 1: in front of me, I probably don't even know if 839 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 1: I hit the dank things so well, I mean, it's 840 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,520 Speaker 1: it's one of those things, you know, not a lot 841 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,960 Speaker 1: of not people are not everyone's going to experience that. 842 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,040 Speaker 1: Um I was lucky, lucky enough to experience that, and 843 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:18,000 Speaker 1: UM I learned from it, and I take every lesson 844 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,280 Speaker 1: that I learned from that. That deer had so much patience. 845 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,040 Speaker 1: I watched him stop on a hot dough like you 846 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,120 Speaker 1: know how typically, dear, we'll just buckle chase a hot 847 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:32,240 Speaker 1: dough right through everything. This hot dough came through an opening. 848 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,880 Speaker 1: He stopped where the where the I don't know the 849 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,200 Speaker 1: it became thick and started opening up, and he stopped 850 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,960 Speaker 1: right in all that thickness, observed the area felt something 851 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,920 Speaker 1: wasn't right, and I had the wind, I had everything 852 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:53,800 Speaker 1: in my advantage, and he decided to walk along the 853 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,560 Speaker 1: thick stuff and cut these does off on a different angle. 854 00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,440 Speaker 1: And that was another time where I was just like, 855 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:06,959 Speaker 1: oh my god, these guys don't take shortcuts. These deer 856 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,800 Speaker 1: are patient because they know that everything out in the 857 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:12,799 Speaker 1: woods is trying to kill them. That's how they live 858 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:17,840 Speaker 1: their lives. So it's uh, it's nuts, it's nuts. And 859 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 1: I hope this lander buck shows up for you because um, 860 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,880 Speaker 1: I know how how much you know, time and energy 861 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,759 Speaker 1: you've put into that, dear as well, Yeah, that would 862 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,040 Speaker 1: be It would be really really cool, that's for sure. 863 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:34,520 Speaker 1: Um yeah, I think now over the last two years, 864 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,880 Speaker 1: I've I've got so much history with him that if 865 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,840 Speaker 1: I got a third it would be probably even a 866 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,160 Speaker 1: cooler story than it was for for the six shooter 867 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,120 Speaker 1: how the deer I shot last year. So I don't know, 868 00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,320 Speaker 1: we'll see he uh. He usually shows up late in 869 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,399 Speaker 1: the summer, So I've still got a little bit of hope. 870 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:53,040 Speaker 1: But you never know, you never know, but it'll be 871 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,360 Speaker 1: it'll be interesting if we If I get that, to 872 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,600 Speaker 1: have that opportunity, the stories that will be able to 873 00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,640 Speaker 1: share over the coming podcast episodes this fall will be 874 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:05,080 Speaker 1: pretty exciting. So and I think that I think the 875 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,879 Speaker 1: most important thing Bill said today was casting a wide 876 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:14,200 Speaker 1: net and narrowing it down because you know, and that's 877 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,800 Speaker 1: if you have the resources, if you have multiple trail cameras, 878 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,400 Speaker 1: if you have um the time. You know, he obviously 879 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,440 Speaker 1: lives near his properties and he can he can be 880 00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,880 Speaker 1: there all the time, and that's what he does for 881 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,799 Speaker 1: a living. I mean, he's a he's a professional hunter. 882 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,520 Speaker 1: Other people have to rely on trail cameras and you know, 883 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,440 Speaker 1: setting up observation stands on the weekends if that's the 884 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,920 Speaker 1: only time they get a hunt. It's just how you 885 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,800 Speaker 1: use the resources that are given given to you and 886 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,399 Speaker 1: how you know, how you go about the deer, because 887 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,200 Speaker 1: like he said, every dear is different, has different personalities, 888 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,680 Speaker 1: and um, you just have to be smart enough to 889 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,880 Speaker 1: learn from you know, learn from that deer, learn from 890 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:58,719 Speaker 1: any failures that you may have in that pursuit. Yeah, 891 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,080 Speaker 1: and like you said, I think in this, in this 892 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,319 Speaker 1: type of case, you need to have those proper expectations 893 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,080 Speaker 1: that there are going to be a lot more failures 894 00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,799 Speaker 1: than successes. Um. Even more so than you know, moving 895 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,879 Speaker 1: up from shooting any deer, shooting a decent deer, than 896 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,080 Speaker 1: from that to a maturityer than from that to a 897 00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,120 Speaker 1: you know, a certain specific deer, it gets harder and 898 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,080 Speaker 1: harder no matter how much time you have or what 899 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:24,000 Speaker 1: kind of reasons resources you have. It's a serious challenge. 900 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,799 Speaker 1: And yeah, you gotta make sure that's the right thing 901 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:28,560 Speaker 1: for you, don't I would, you know, I wouldn't tell 902 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,239 Speaker 1: anyone to do that unless they're sure that that's what 903 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,960 Speaker 1: they're comfortable and that's what's gonna make them happy. Um. 904 00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,560 Speaker 1: So it's an interesting topic and one that, like I said, 905 00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,040 Speaker 1: maybe we'll get to dive into more deeply this coming fall. 906 00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,240 Speaker 1: If if either one of us gets uh, any return 907 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,800 Speaker 1: visitors will see what happens. Oh yeah, I gotta. I 908 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:48,880 Speaker 1: checked my trail cameras this weekend and I got a 909 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:54,719 Speaker 1: couple of return shooters from last year and got some 910 00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,880 Speaker 1: trail camera new trail camera set up. I got a 911 00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,320 Speaker 1: new tree stands set up this weekend and some sweet 912 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,160 Speaker 1: pinch points and uh, and I can just I can't 913 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,440 Speaker 1: wait to get in the stand for the first time. 914 00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,960 Speaker 1: It's gonna be here before we know it too. It's 915 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,759 Speaker 1: coming fast, you know, by the time this episode goes live, 916 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,879 Speaker 1: it will be well maybe not, it'll be really close 917 00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,920 Speaker 1: to being August. So and August just flies by. And 918 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,960 Speaker 1: usually I don't like to go in the woods at 919 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,680 Speaker 1: all until or once September heads I'm done. I like 920 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,400 Speaker 1: to give it at least a good hard month with 921 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,320 Speaker 1: nobody in there, um just before the season starts. So 922 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,759 Speaker 1: that's gonna be here before I know it, and I 923 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,399 Speaker 1: am not ready yet. So I really got to get 924 00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,920 Speaker 1: out there and do some work. Well, we have you know, 925 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,480 Speaker 1: my mule deer hunt in your elk Hunt in September. 926 00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,720 Speaker 1: That'll keep us out of the woods for a while anyway, 927 00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,120 Speaker 1: Very true, Very true. Well, I think this is a 928 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:47,920 Speaker 1: good spot for us to wrap it up to. 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