Speaker 1: Hi, everybody.
Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.
Speaker 2: I am Mike Spafford, joined as always by my trusted
Speaker 2: colleague Weston Hodkoitz. We're coming to you here from our
Speaker 2: studios at Lambeufield kind of a season wrap up show.
Speaker 2: I guess you would say this will be our last
Speaker 2: show for the time being. We will be back at
Speaker 2: some point before the draft, just not quite sure exactly
Speaker 2: when that'll be, but we will be taking a break
Speaker 2: on Packers Unscripted. We'll start this final show of the
Speaker 2: season West with this.
Speaker 1: Not long before.
Speaker 2: We stepped into the studio here, we heard from Packers
Speaker 2: General manager Brian Gudukunst. He addressed the media for about
Speaker 2: thirty five minutes in his annual season wrap up news conference.
Speaker 2: And I'll just throw an open ended question out to you,
Speaker 2: what if anything stood out to you as your biggest
Speaker 2: takeaway from that media session.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mike, there was plenty of takeaways from it. I
Speaker 3: think the one where my ears perked up the most,
Speaker 3: and obviously a lot of the media outlets have kind
Speaker 3: of grabbed onto it the idea that you know, now
Speaker 3: is the time to start competing for championships and that
Speaker 3: not that Green Bay isn't always doing that, but they
Speaker 3: understand how good these recent draft classes have been in
Speaker 3: twenty two to twenty three, and then obviously you've already
Speaker 3: seen some production from the twenty four class in how
Speaker 3: that translates to this team taking the next step. And
Speaker 3: I think my biggest takeaway beyond that was just Brian
Speaker 3: talking about the financial flexibility of these guys. They can
Speaker 3: make any move they want. Obviously, every dollar that you
Speaker 3: spend in free agency is also would come out of
Speaker 3: the kiddy, so to speak, for the dollars that you
Speaker 3: can spend on extensions, which Green Bay now also is
Speaker 3: going to have coming up right. And I just think
Speaker 3: when you talk about Brian Guda Kuntz as the general
Speaker 3: manager and Russ Ball in this front office and how
Speaker 3: it's been constructed over the last six seven years, they
Speaker 3: like having their options and I think at this point
Speaker 3: in time they have a lot of those. They've worked
Speaker 3: theirselves back from kind of that kicking the can down
Speaker 3: the road, you know, bowering against the future to win
Speaker 3: now back in twenty one and somewhat in twenty two,
Speaker 3: they've gotten back into the black, so to speak in
Speaker 3: terms of the financial aspect of it, and Green Bay's
Speaker 3: ready to compete. So disappointing ending to the season, but
Speaker 3: Brian definitely painted a and optimistic picture of what this
Speaker 3: future looks like in Green Bay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I heard much the same that you did in
Speaker 2: terms of what's top of mind for me the salary
Speaker 2: cap situation. The Packers are in as good a shape
Speaker 2: as they've been really since the COVID seasons, when you know,
Speaker 2: there was the big shift in the cap and lots
Speaker 2: of other decisions were made to try to stay at
Speaker 2: the forefront and compete for a championship. As Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 2: career was in Green Bay was winding down, and what
Speaker 2: you said about the it's time to compete for championships,
Speaker 2: I thought it was right at the very very end
Speaker 2: of the last answer, the way he talked about a
Speaker 2: lot of the young players on this team, they've now
Speaker 2: proven they can play in the NFL. They've established themselves
Speaker 2: as NFL players, and he sort of threw this question
Speaker 2: out there about, Okay, well, what's next in terms of
Speaker 2: what you can bring to this team to push this team.
Speaker 1: Over the top.
Speaker 2: It's not every player that comes into this league yes,
Speaker 2: you need to be a team player, but you need
Speaker 2: to establish yourself. And you know that's first and foremost
Speaker 2: for these guys because they're here to have a career,
Speaker 2: they're here to make money, they're here to do the
Speaker 2: best that they can.
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of young guys.
Speaker 2: Who have established themselves now, so now their personal attitude
Speaker 2: about success. And I'm not saying guys haven't been team players,
Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, but your personal attitude, your personal
Speaker 2: approach to success now needs to branch out and embrace
Speaker 2: the entire team. And what more can you do to
Speaker 2: help the team take the next step. That's sort of
Speaker 2: what I heard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, ask not what your team can do for you,
Speaker 3: but what you can do for your team? Nice, very nice,
Speaker 3: Thank you. No, but listen, I love that message because
Speaker 3: you're talking beyond just guys being NFL players and being
Speaker 3: good NFL players. You're talking about can you make the
Speaker 3: next step to be a leader? Can you be the
Speaker 3: next step to be a consistent playmaker, a star?
Speaker 2: That's I think exactly what he was getting at that.
Speaker 2: You're putting it better than I No.
Speaker 3: Not at all. I thought you made a fine point
Speaker 3: as well, But I agree with you, I think we
Speaker 3: have so many great players on this team, but who's
Speaker 3: going to make that next jump? And by the way,
Speaker 3: not to say that you're behind on that. It took
Speaker 3: Jordy Nelson two three years, honestly the end of the
Speaker 3: ten season before his star really start to shine. No doubt,
Speaker 3: it doesn't always happen overnight. But that being said, you
Speaker 3: have guys like Eddrian Cooper, and you know, you look
Speaker 3: at some of these offensive skill position players like you know,
Speaker 3: Tucker Kraft and the jump that he has made each
Speaker 3: year he's been in the league, and and those are
Speaker 3: the type of players that are also ultimately going to
Speaker 3: be foundational pieces for you. And that was sort of
Speaker 3: something that good it consoluded to as well as far
Speaker 3: as needing to extend guys here in these next couple drafts.
Speaker 3: The twenty two draft now is going to be eligible
Speaker 3: for extensions. You get through next year, the twenty three
Speaker 3: draft will be eligible for extensions. And one of the
Speaker 3: reasons when you when you look at the Xavier McKinney's
Speaker 3: and Josh Sjacobs, that's a lot of fun. We all
Speaker 3: really enjoy that. But as Brian said, there isn't always
Speaker 3: those players available, right, and you have to be very
Speaker 3: pragmatic with how you use your your finances and the
Speaker 3: decisions that you make as you build your team up
Speaker 3: for the future, and how that all ties together. The
Speaker 3: one thing that's been fun for me. You probably caught
Speaker 3: onto this earlier than I did, because one you're you're
Speaker 3: much smarter than I am. But two, you also have
Speaker 3: covered this for quite a while now in the National
Speaker 3: Football League. There was a time my first few years
Speaker 3: where I was doing this beat where it's like, okay,
Speaker 3: well you need to have your cornerback one and your
Speaker 3: cornerback two. These are your starting safeties, here's your offensive line,
Speaker 3: and then this is it. You built your team. Well,
Speaker 3: the longer you cover this league, even under the most
Speaker 3: favorable situations, you're going to have injuries, You're going to
Speaker 3: have things that change. You're not going to have the
Speaker 3: same exact lineup the entire season. And that is honestly
Speaker 3: the way that Brian builds his team. That's how he
Speaker 3: does it. It's about, yeah, you're preferred starters, but also
Speaker 3: you're young guys that you're going to develop. He mentioned
Speaker 3: Jordan Morgan, He's going to be coming back off that
Speaker 3: shoulder surgery. Where does he fit into the picture next year?
Speaker 3: For these guys. The only guy it sounds like that
Speaker 3: won't be available at the beginning of the year based
Speaker 3: on pre existing injuries right now is Christian Watson. What's
Speaker 3: the reaction to that this offseason. Whether it's a free
Speaker 3: agent or whether it's a draft pick, these are all
Speaker 3: the decisions Brian Goodikuns has to make. But at the
Speaker 3: end of the day, Mike him and his personnel department,
Speaker 3: they're going to give themselves depth. They're going to give
Speaker 3: themselves options, so you're not just tied into one specific scenario.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think this is something to keep in
Speaker 2: mind here as the Packers enter an off season with
Speaker 2: a lot of salary cut flexibility and the ability to
Speaker 2: really do whatever it is that they want to do
Speaker 2: in terms of augmenting and reshaping the roster. You mentioned
Speaker 2: Xavier McKinney Josh Jacobs. Just because McKinney and Jacobs were
Speaker 2: guys the Packers were able to bring in last year,
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean, for example, that the top wide receiver
Speaker 2: who will be available on the market, or the top
Speaker 2: cornerback who will be available on the market, or the
Speaker 2: top pass Rusher will be available on the market.
Speaker 1: Will be as good as those guys.
Speaker 2: You know, there's going to be a top so and
Speaker 2: so available on the market. It doesn't mean it's the
Speaker 2: next Xavier McKinney or the next Josh Jacobs. And that's
Speaker 2: something for fans to keep in mind. Because the Packers
Speaker 2: went out and got those top guys last year doesn't
Speaker 2: mean that though, that the top guys available this year
Speaker 2: are necessarily going to fit the Packers' vision and the culture,
Speaker 2: and they may not be as good a players as
Speaker 2: the guys. You know, Gota Kuntz has said it so
Speaker 2: many times and you just reiterated it. Guys like Xavier
Speaker 2: McKinnon and Josh Jacobs are not available on the free
Speaker 2: agent market every year. That's why Brian jumped in and
Speaker 2: was as aggressive as he was last year because he
Speaker 2: saw those as rare opportunities. Just something to keep in
Speaker 2: mind as a free agency eventually rolls around here in
Speaker 2: about six to eight weeks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's a great point. One thing I've always
Speaker 3: personally loved too. How many people, including myself would have said, Hey,
Speaker 3: the Minnesota Vikings last year had an A plus free agency.
Speaker 3: Andrew Van Ginkel and Blake Cashman were not household names,
Speaker 3: and they both ended up turning into two of their better.
Speaker 1: Players an time.
Speaker 3: Zadarius Smith when the Packers signed him in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 3: it was a rotational rusher in Baltimore, not a household name.
Speaker 3: It's projecting sometimes where these guys are going to. It's
Speaker 3: not always going to be an All Pro running back
Speaker 3: that was a rushing champion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they's gonna be exactly.
Speaker 2: There's still some there's still some crystal ball business to
Speaker 2: free agency, just as there is with the draft. It's
Speaker 2: just you're at a different point in a player's career
Speaker 2: in terms of trying to look and to project. Well,
Speaker 2: some of the guys that you mentioned just a few
Speaker 2: minutes ago, I think are going to come up in
Speaker 2: the next conversation we're going to have, which is I'm
Speaker 2: going to throw out some awards, if you want to
Speaker 2: call it that, players that you would pick to fit
Speaker 2: certain categories here. And I'm not going to say, you know,
Speaker 2: this isn't going to be like Team MVP, because if
Speaker 2: you say Josh Jacobs, then I'm gonna say Zaber McKinney
Speaker 2: or viceversa. I'm not even gonna go there. These are
Speaker 2: going to be a little bit, a little bit deferstmid guard.
Speaker 2: And if you and I have not tied him up
Speaker 2: for this, folks, if you end up picking a guy
Speaker 2: that I wanted to talk about, I will have to
Speaker 2: pivot on the fly and talk about somebody else. So
Speaker 2: my first one the unsung hero of the twenty twenty
Speaker 2: four Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 3: Oh, what a great question, Mike, the unsung hero. There's
Speaker 3: so many levels to this. Yeah, how far do we
Speaker 3: want to talk about?
Speaker 2: You can take that, You can take this any direction.
Speaker 2: You can define unsung hero anyway.
Speaker 3: You Okay, So I'm gonna do I'm going to define
Speaker 3: unsung hero as a guy that helped them get to
Speaker 3: where they got to at the end of the season.
Speaker 3: So for my unsung hero, I'll pick Carrington Valentine as
Speaker 3: a guy who started the year it looked like he
Speaker 3: was going to be the odd man out because he
Speaker 3: misses the beginning of training camp with the hamstring injury.
Speaker 3: He he kind of has some setbacks with that and
Speaker 3: then it, you know, it appears like Jay Air, Eric Stokes,
Speaker 3: you have Keshawn Nixon the slot, you have a lot
Speaker 3: of depth at cornerback. It just seemed like, well, how
Speaker 3: is Carrington going to get on the field after starting
Speaker 3: slow out of the gates, And then you can make
Speaker 3: a case that he might have been one of their
Speaker 3: most important defensive players during the final month of the season.
Speaker 3: He ends up having his first two interceptions in a
Speaker 3: span of three games. He forces a fumble. In another context,
Speaker 3: Carrington is a guy that battles, and the more I
Speaker 3: watch him play, the more I'm impressed by him and
Speaker 3: in what he brings to the table. And talking about
Speaker 3: how things align for next season, you know, good to Consett.
Speaker 3: I mean he really thought, in kind of echoing your
Speaker 3: comments from a couple of weeks ago as well, when
Speaker 3: they settled in on Valentine on one side and Nixon
Speaker 3: on the other, No, you're not getting Jay airback having
Speaker 3: Bullered in the slot that ended up being their optimal
Speaker 3: package there in the nickel, which is ultimately the one
Speaker 3: that most NFL teams end up running on a percentage basis.
Speaker 3: Carrington is a happy, go lucky, gregarious guy, but he
Speaker 3: is serious about football. And you asked me the unsung
Speaker 3: hero of this team, I think he's definitely in the
Speaker 3: conversation there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And this is a tough one for me to
Speaker 2: narrow it down because I think there's actually a pretty
Speaker 2: long list of guys on this team in that regard.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna mention too, and I won't talk too long
Speaker 2: about either one because I want to I want to
Speaker 2: get into some of these other topics as well. I
Speaker 2: don't want this category to go by without mentioning Malik Willis,
Speaker 2: because I mean, it's not just that a backup quarterback
Speaker 2: came in and won two games as a starter and
Speaker 2: won another game in relief and almost won a fourth
Speaker 2: game in relief at the end of the season. It's
Speaker 2: that when Malik Willis had to When Malik Willis was
Speaker 2: called upon to start those two games, and even when
Speaker 2: he was called on in relief in Jacksonville, he hadn't
Speaker 2: been here very long, and that could have gone really south,
Speaker 2: really fast for the Packers. And the fact that all
Speaker 2: three of those games, yes, they were all against AFC
Speaker 2: South teams, and that was a very poor division this year,
Speaker 2: So the Packers were fortunate the timing and the schedule
Speaker 2: in that regard. But what Malik Willis did cannot be
Speaker 2: forgotten in terms of where the twenty twenty four Packers went.
Speaker 2: The other one I want to mention, I think we
Speaker 2: talked about him on previous shows. In this category of
Speaker 2: unsung hero is Eric Wilson, the veteran linebacker. Because when
Speaker 2: Edrin Cooper wasn't out there as much early in the
Speaker 2: season and kway Walker had to miss some games anytime
Speaker 2: the Packers needed some extra snaps and some and the
Speaker 2: the communication and the leadership at the inside linebacker position,
Speaker 2: they turned to Eric Wilson. And and for a guy
Speaker 2: who's a little bit undersized, he's not an overly dynamic player.
Speaker 2: Not only did he hold the defense together, but he
Speaker 2: made some splash plays along the way too, whether it
Speaker 2: be a TfL here there, or a sack or an
Speaker 2: interception that he had against the Colts in that the
Speaker 2: Malik Willis's first games as the Packers starter. So that
Speaker 2: would be my guy there. Next category, emerging player, I.
Speaker 3: Mean it's it's entering coop. Yeah, I mean that's the answer, right.
Speaker 1: I threw that one to you because now I have
Speaker 1: to come up with some Yeah.
Speaker 3: So now I will pontificate and whatnot.
Speaker 1: O start, I'll be ready, I'll be ready.
Speaker 3: Listen I've said this so many times, but I wrote
Speaker 3: this an insider inbox. I truly mean it. Going back
Speaker 3: to twenty twelve and so many people think about that
Speaker 3: playoff loss to the forty nine ers, when people often
Speaker 3: forget about as they were a top ten, top eleven
Speaker 3: defense that year, and a big reason for that was
Speaker 3: Casey Hayward coming in as a rookie second round pick,
Speaker 3: having six interceptions, finishing third in Defensive Rookie of the
Speaker 3: Year voting that year. He was a huge part of
Speaker 3: what Green Bay did that season, and he did it
Speaker 3: right from the get go. Unfortunately, he had some hamstring
Speaker 3: issues and some other stuff that popped up in the
Speaker 3: subsequent years, but that season was a huge critical piece
Speaker 3: for them, especially with Charles Woodson getting injured midway through
Speaker 3: the season. So all that being said, Edger and Cooper
Speaker 3: kind of reminded me of that a little bit this season.
Speaker 3: It didn't matter about the position, it didn't matter about
Speaker 3: the inexperience, and I understand there's some things he had
Speaker 3: to learn on the fly, but he was a difference
Speaker 3: maker and this defense was different when he was on
Speaker 3: the field. I would love to see the compare and
Speaker 3: contrast from the first half of the year to when
Speaker 3: Edgron really got going, especially after he came back from
Speaker 3: the hamstring injury. He catapulted this defense forward and was
Speaker 3: one of their best players. And I think of us,
Speaker 3: including myself, talked about when you're looking at an off
Speaker 3: ball linebacker. Some of the things he was doing was
Speaker 3: so emblematic of what they did with Clay Matthews in
Speaker 3: the mid twenty tens, being able to rush him from
Speaker 3: different areas, him being able to have his coverage skills.
Speaker 3: He still has much to learn, but he definitely was
Speaker 3: the gem so far of this draft class. And I
Speaker 3: think when you're looking at the optimism and the hope
Speaker 3: and the potential of this defense the years to come
Speaker 3: under Jeff Haffley, it starts with Cooper because his speed,
Speaker 3: his quickness, and it's not just about him blitzing or
Speaker 3: being incorporated in the pass rush. He incorporates that into
Speaker 3: how he defends the run as well, and I thought
Speaker 3: had a big reason for why Green Bay ended up
Speaker 3: having their best performance against the run in fifteen years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to give what probably will strike you
Speaker 2: as a little bit of a surprising answer to this quest.
Speaker 1: Wes Hodwaks Verrging player? What's that?
Speaker 3: Is?
Speaker 2: It?
Speaker 3: Me?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna say tight end Tucker Kraft.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I say that because as big a jump as
Speaker 2: he made from his rookie season to his second season
Speaker 2: and becoming an all around tight end in terms of
Speaker 2: the blocking and the pass protection, the blocking in the
Speaker 2: run game, the pass protection, the receiving and the yards
Speaker 2: after the catch, and all of that evolution and growth
Speaker 2: in Tucker Craft's game that we saw, I think I
Speaker 2: still label him as an emerging player on this team.
Speaker 2: Because Matt Lafleur hinted the other day Tucker Craft very
Speaker 2: well could go from that solid all around tight end
Speaker 2: that every team wants to being a major, major featured
Speaker 2: player in this offense in his third year. I think
Speaker 2: that might be what is coming down the road for
Speaker 2: number eighty five. And so that's why he's my answer
Speaker 2: to this one. And we were both there what he
Speaker 2: said at his locker on Monday on the final locker
Speaker 2: cleanout day. He's already starting to become a leader on
Speaker 2: this team, obviously, and he announced essentially to everybody not
Speaker 2: only with what he said but how he said it,
Speaker 2: that he's going to continue to take steps to be
Speaker 2: a leader in that locker room. And I think the
Speaker 2: next step in that regard started on Monday. The way
Speaker 2: he assessed this team and how he feels about it
Speaker 2: and where he feels it can and should go.
Speaker 3: I'm with you one hundred percent on that, and he
Speaker 3: is when you're listening to Matt Lafleure talk as well.
Speaker 3: I mean, he is a focal point of what Green
Speaker 3: Bay wants to build this offense around moving forward. He's consistent,
Speaker 3: he's durable, he's tenacious, he prides himself just as much
Speaker 3: on his blocking as he does his pass catching. He's
Speaker 3: looking like a complete all around tight end and seeing
Speaker 3: him grow into that has been really encouraging. And then
Speaker 3: even more than that, too, the fact that the offense,
Speaker 3: when you're talking about the consistency of it, when he's
Speaker 3: a focal point, when he's going when things are right,
Speaker 3: that does seem to be one of the things that
Speaker 3: does sort of, you know, shoot the fuel into the engine,
Speaker 3: so to speak. Yeah, big plays are huge, and certainly
Speaker 3: running the ball is huge, but when you can move
Speaker 3: the sticks with a tight end like him, sometimes he
Speaker 3: doesn't even have to run the route to the first down,
Speaker 3: he can break a tackle or two to get going.
Speaker 3: I did see a statistic I wish I could credit
Speaker 3: the right source. I think it's Pro Football Focus. If
Speaker 3: it's not, it's a next gen stats other than George Kittle.
Speaker 3: I think he was the best in the league as
Speaker 3: far as yards after contact and in his route depth.
Speaker 3: For the amnt of yards he ended up having this
Speaker 3: season relative to his route depth, I think Tucker Craft
Speaker 3: is a third round pick two years ago is going
Speaker 3: to turn out to be one of the best that
Speaker 3: Brian Goodecons has made in terms of draft choices.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm totally with you in this category. As
Speaker 2: far as Edger and Cooper, and I think even though
Speaker 2: they don't play the same position, what you said about
Speaker 2: Clay Matthews and how we saw Clay Matthews emerge, I
Speaker 2: think I think edgerin Cooper is without a doubt on
Speaker 2: that same track.
Speaker 1: It's very exciting.
Speaker 3: Because it's about unpredictability, right, and why was Clay so
Speaker 3: effective there? You didn't know when they were going to
Speaker 3: throw a match you. As far as the quarterback and
Speaker 3: some things, he adds a different dimension to that double
Speaker 3: a gap. Look where you're you're doing those simulated pressures,
Speaker 3: you're not sure where it's coming from. With his quickness,
Speaker 3: and the dude is listed at only two twenty eight,
Speaker 3: I have a hard time believe in that. Like he
Speaker 3: I've seen two hundred and twenty eight pound receivers and
Speaker 3: safeties and things like that. Edrin Cooper wears it well. Man.
Speaker 3: If I didn't know any better, I would say he
Speaker 3: was two forty one, just like Kway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's it's a.
Speaker 3: Good football player. I'm excited to see him grow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, next one surprise player?
Speaker 3: Can I pick Brandon McManus here? Sure? So Brandon McManus
Speaker 3: comes off the street, and obviously you know all this
Speaker 3: stuff has been covered, but I was blown away by him.
Speaker 3: I know the season didn't end how he wanted to.
Speaker 3: I mean, missing a thirty eight yarder in his hometown.
Speaker 3: It's tough pill to swallow right at the end of
Speaker 3: this thing, but I think Brian even said it was
Speaker 3: kind of the journey they were on with the kicker situation.
Speaker 3: And you know, Brandon Narvisen, God bless him. I hope
Speaker 3: it works out for him. A nice kid. But I
Speaker 3: think he was number six seven in the line of
Speaker 3: all these guys that they had signed throughout the course
Speaker 3: of the offseason, and since since April, McManus comes available,
Speaker 3: they sign him. He comes in here and he won
Speaker 3: them games. Man Like Bill James and baseball always had
Speaker 3: like the you know wins, you know gained and things
Speaker 3: like that, how much you contribute to it, And I
Speaker 3: would love to have a statistic like that for Brandon McManus.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think you have to make a case
Speaker 3: he won the Packers a game or two this season
Speaker 3: just the way he performed, and you know, and he
Speaker 3: came up in some big clutch situations as well. And
Speaker 3: Brian talked about how you know that that is going
Speaker 3: to be a major emphasis here this offseason. They would
Speaker 3: like to get him back.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: They want to keep that nucleus together with the specialists.
Speaker 3: It's something they've really struggled to do here for for
Speaker 3: several years now, to have those same three that battery together,
Speaker 3: like Rich Bisacci always talks about. So yeah, certainly, I
Speaker 3: think McManus, for a guy that was not on the
Speaker 3: top of my head when the season started as a
Speaker 3: potential savior for this kicking situation, definitely came through for
Speaker 3: Green Bay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my guy for surprise player is Keishaan Nixon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, And we talked about him on previous
Speaker 2: shows as well. I mean, with as much time as
Speaker 2: Jay Alexander missed and Nixon being asked not only to
Speaker 2: bump out and play outside corner, but to play essentially
Speaker 2: the CB one spot for as many games as he did,
Speaker 2: and to perform at the level that he did. I
Speaker 2: thought the player, the defensive player that Kishan Nixon has
Speaker 2: become over the last couple of years is nothing short
Speaker 2: of very impressive. And it's a lot of credit to him.
Speaker 2: It's it's a credit to it's a credit to the
Speaker 2: coaches to give him the opportunity to see what he
Speaker 2: can do, and the credit to him to deliver when he's.
Speaker 1: Called upon there. And you know, if.
Speaker 2: I'll just say it this way, and we don't need
Speaker 2: to go off on the tangent, so I apologize if
Speaker 2: it sends us there. If the OPI is called at
Speaker 2: the end of the Detroit game, we're talking about Keishawn
Speaker 2: Nixon as maybe the hero of that football game.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 3: You know what it is, It's it's like the Hey,
Speaker 3: don't poke me, Yeah, don't prod me here, Spofford, all right,
Speaker 3: we'll move on. Hey, let me say this, and that's
Speaker 3: a great you know what, you know what I mean though,
Speaker 3: I know exactly what Keishawn Nixon did in that game
Speaker 3: in Detroit was impressive as all get out.
Speaker 2: And then and unfortunately, then you know, the discussion turns to,
Speaker 2: you know, to to that play right at the end
Speaker 2: where he's all over their number one receiver and just
Speaker 2: gets shoved out of the way, and it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: Doesn't matter. Yeah, there's too many of those situations this here,
Speaker 3: and obviously Green Bay talked about it too. You don't
Speaker 3: want to be in those situations where the refs are
Speaker 3: are changing stuff. But the one, the one credit I'll
Speaker 3: give to Kishawn. I've covered this team. This was year thirteen,
Speaker 3: season thirteen for me. The one thing I will say
Speaker 3: about him is Treman Williams is probably the only cornerback
Speaker 3: I can think of that has been able to play
Speaker 3: outside on the perimeter and slide into the slot and
Speaker 3: perform as well as he did. That is not an
Speaker 3: advantageous situation to be And Keishan did a really good
Speaker 3: job in the locker room this year of kind of
Speaker 3: explaining the differences between the two positions, the instincts that
Speaker 3: are required outside and reading exactly how guys are lining
Speaker 3: up and what you're potentially facing, and then inside, where
Speaker 3: it's you're trying to be physical. You don't have as
Speaker 3: much time to read and react. It's a difficult juggling act.
Speaker 3: And there were several times this year where because of
Speaker 3: injuries or certain situations, he had to handle both of
Speaker 3: those things at a fly, and he passed that test.
Speaker 3: For as much as I people just don't want to
Speaker 3: give him his flow. Some fans don't want to give
Speaker 3: him his flowers. Keishaw Nixon is a huge part of
Speaker 3: this thing and what Koreembia is going to build here
Speaker 3: in the years to come.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, and it's why I wanted to I
Speaker 2: want to continue to emphasize.
Speaker 3: That, because why is an unsung hero, because.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he could fit.
Speaker 2: He could have fit in that category as well as
Speaker 2: whether you want to call it unsung hero a surprise player.
Speaker 2: I think I know what your answer is is already
Speaker 2: to this next one, but I'm gonna throw it out
Speaker 2: there anyway, And you kind of already hinted at it
Speaker 2: unless you've changed your mind.
Speaker 3: Always changed my mind. Best moment of the season, Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: I love the McManus field goal against Houston. Against Houston,
Speaker 3: yeah yeah. And the only reason for that is first
Speaker 3: first game, the guy shows up.
Speaker 2: I mean they sign him on what Tuesday? Yeah, and
Speaker 2: then on Sunday he's got to walk out in the
Speaker 2: Lambeau Field and and hit a walk off field goal.
Speaker 2: And not just a walk off field goal, but one
Speaker 2: that you lose if you missed it.
Speaker 1: Because the Packers were down by a point.
Speaker 3: And in what's the definition of best moment in the season,
Speaker 3: it's the It's the thing that you think of immediately.
Speaker 3: It's the image that you think of Aaron Rodgers a
Speaker 3: number of years ago doing that I still own you
Speaker 3: thing to the fans at Soldier Field and what ended
Speaker 3: up being his last start for Green Bay. There mcmannon
Speaker 3: and obviously McManus wasn't being wasn't doing that, but him
Speaker 3: jumping to the crowd, the way that guys reacted to it,
Speaker 3: the Packers wearing the winter Warning jerseys, it just and
Speaker 3: it was a very big win. It was a win
Speaker 3: over a team that at the time in which we're shooting.
Speaker 3: This is still playing for a Super Bowl. I mean,
Speaker 3: I just I loved everything about it. It was the
Speaker 3: biggest headache Green Bay had had. They went through so
Speaker 3: many different kickers and situations, and it's a situation where
Speaker 3: it's not just about whether Brandon Narvson con made it.
Speaker 3: How many kickers in the National Football League are able
Speaker 3: to come up in that situation. And mcmahonus proved that
Speaker 3: he is is a veteran, He's done this before, he
Speaker 3: has a process that works for him. And I think
Speaker 3: it was after that day everybody kind of felt like, Okay,
Speaker 3: the Packers are going to be okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: For me, it's and part of this is, I mean,
Speaker 2: you know how things are for us at the end
Speaker 2: of games, Like I'm live blogging the game and I
Speaker 2: need to you know, you're doing the quarter by quarter
Speaker 2: updates on the website, and then I need to write
Speaker 2: kind of the summary, the quick recap right at the
Speaker 2: end of the game that goes on top of your
Speaker 2: quarter by quarter thing. That's how we kind of piece
Speaker 2: this together. So when things are frantic at the end
Speaker 2: of game, like my mind is going like a gazillion
Speaker 2: different miles an hour, So for me, the best moment
Speaker 2: of the season is sort of related to all of
Speaker 2: that chaos, and it's in Jacksonville tie score, and Malik
Speaker 2: Willis hits Jaden Reid for fifty one yards. That sets
Speaker 2: up then another walk off, a chip shot in this
Speaker 2: case for McManus, because you know, Willis had come in, Hey,
Speaker 2: he'd done a great job. The Packers were up ten points.
Speaker 2: Then the defense starts to falter, gives up ten points
Speaker 2: on two straight drives by Trevor Lawrence. The offense had
Speaker 2: been going nowhere, and so you know, I'm thinking, you know,
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, this looks like one that's going to
Speaker 2: get away. You know, it's it felt a lot like
Speaker 2: the Carolina Yeah, for sure last year one that was.
Speaker 1: Going to get away.
Speaker 2: That you're just like, how do you let this game
Speaker 2: get away? And then Willis hits Red and they get
Speaker 2: the big play fifty one yards down the field, and
Speaker 2: you know, we hop on the plane to come home
Speaker 2: from Jacksonville with another victory and a lot more exciting
Speaker 2: things to write about than if that game had gone
Speaker 2: the other way. And that, for me, that's the one
Speaker 2: that stands out with the Carl Brooks blockfield goal in
Speaker 2: Chicago being right up there as well. But the Jacksonville
Speaker 2: one mentally is the one that sticks with me.
Speaker 3: I'm with you on that too, because the only thing
Speaker 3: that kind of hurts about the Brooks one is that
Speaker 3: Santos gets it back at Lambeufield.
Speaker 1: Right finalitey agreed, But what I.
Speaker 3: Loved about willis Man is I mean, he can spin it, dude.
Speaker 3: I love watching him throw football.
Speaker 1: Yeah, get no doubt it is it is.
Speaker 3: He throws a nice, tight spiral. I just I can't
Speaker 3: get over the fact Green Bay got him for a
Speaker 3: seventh round pick, and especially in.
Speaker 2: Nness, was in quarterback purgatory all year long after trading
Speaker 2: that guy for a seventh round pick.
Speaker 1: Well, some things they won't be anymore. Yeah, some teams.
Speaker 2: Some team's misfortune is yeah, another team's good fortune. So
Speaker 2: all right, this last one I'm gonna throw at you.
Speaker 2: And this I've never asked you this question before, Okay,
Speaker 2: within this context, but it struck me as one to
Speaker 2: ask because of how we had talked on our last
Speaker 2: show about the big what if of the playoff game
Speaker 2: was obviously the opening kickoff and the replay review and
Speaker 2: all that, and it was sort of the what if
Speaker 2: about the game against Philly that was hanging out there
Speaker 2: like a Matza ball to steal a Jerry Seinfeld expression.
Speaker 2: So I want to ask you, what do you feel,
Speaker 2: aside from that one from the playoff game, what was
Speaker 2: your biggest what if moment of this season for the Pack?
Speaker 3: Before I turn it over that, I just want to say,
Speaker 3: what if the New York Office had access to the
Speaker 3: same skycam footage that Bob from Krivits had access to
Speaker 3: and how that might have affected this football game? That's
Speaker 3: that's my my what if. No, I think my big
Speaker 3: what if is ultimately going to end up being just
Speaker 3: with Christian Watson. And I don't want to put it
Speaker 3: all on Christian because, as I've talked about with you before,
Speaker 3: Green Bay didn't have him for most of the last
Speaker 3: season and they were able to overcome it. They were
Speaker 3: without you know, Aaron Jones last season for most of
Speaker 3: last season in various intervals, and we're able to overcome it.
Speaker 3: So you always have to play above that. You need
Speaker 3: guys to step up. But but that being said, Christian
Speaker 3: is such a solid football player, good leader, will do
Speaker 3: anything you need him to do. If he's on the
Speaker 3: field for them down the stretch, and he's commanding. We're
Speaker 3: talking about the shelf and the ceiling that they built,
Speaker 3: that roof that Philadelphia built. Well, running number seven against
Speaker 3: that changes then number nine, number nine as much as
Speaker 3: quite sure where that game. Number seven is on my
Speaker 3: mind right now, but let's stick to name.
Speaker 1: Thought i'd correct you before that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for doing that, by the way, yeah scream,
Speaker 3: but even have a number seven right now?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kuay Walker.
Speaker 3: Oh kay Walker. Yeah, because he's on defense. I'm yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm going to retire. Uh, it's been a log season.
Speaker 3: There's a reason this is our last. Shit. This reminds
Speaker 3: me of the time that somebody who will remain nameless
Speaker 3: asked you in the press box, Mike, who's number eighteen? Yeah,
Speaker 3: when it was Randall Cobb. Listen, I'm taken away from
Speaker 3: the point here, but Christian Watson is a really good
Speaker 3: football player, and to lose him in that sense and
Speaker 3: not have him on the field and now we'll see
Speaker 3: exactly what the future holds here as they try to
Speaker 3: navigate this offseason without him. I just I just wonder
Speaker 3: if Christian Watson is out there for this playoff run.
Speaker 3: How that changes Green Bay's offense and maybe the way
Speaker 3: that the Philadelphia Eagles and potentially the opponent after that.
Speaker 1: Would have had to send him. Yeah. For me, the
Speaker 1: what if moment is.
Speaker 2: It'll it'd be pinpointed to somewhere around give or take
Speaker 2: a few minutes, but three pm on Week eighteen, because
Speaker 2: the Washington Commanders threw a touchdown pass with five seconds
Speaker 2: sure right the Dallas Cowboys and the Packers lost to
Speaker 2: the Chicago Bears on a walk off field goal. Those
Speaker 2: two things happened within moments of each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And if both of.
Speaker 2: Those games go the other way, the Packers are the
Speaker 2: sixth seed and not the seventh seed, and they are
Speaker 2: going to Tampa Bay, which is just a ten win
Speaker 2: football team in the winner of a poor division, instead
Speaker 2: of a fourteen win team in Philadelphia. Playing the three
Speaker 2: seed versus the two seed, I think was a huge
Speaker 2: difference in terms of the wild card round in the
Speaker 2: NFC playoffs. So for me, that's my what if because
Speaker 2: I think if the Packers go to Tampa instead of
Speaker 2: going to Philly, I think we've been spending this show
Speaker 2: talking about a rematch with Detroit. Yeah, and game number
Speaker 2: three against the Lions. But that's the what if. That's
Speaker 2: the what if.
Speaker 3: I really wanted that one too. I just again, you
Speaker 3: know me, the pro wrestling fan in me, the narratives
Speaker 3: and all that stuff that goes into it. I just
Speaker 3: think the build of that game would have been so
Speaker 3: much fun. It didn't happen. Yeah, Washington goes to Detroit, obviously,
Speaker 3: the Los Angeles Amselill go to Philadelphia, and the NFC
Speaker 3: representative will be one of those four teams in the
Speaker 3: Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: And I want to get your thoughts quickly. This took
Speaker 2: a little longer than I thought, but it's the last show.
Speaker 3: Oh you're talking to me, But I'm a long winded.
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Speaker 2: weekend Houston at Kansas City, Washington at Detroit on Saturday.
Speaker 2: Any thoughts to share as the weekend approach.
Speaker 3: Washington versus Detroit's is more specifically, Washington's offense versus Detroit's
Speaker 3: defense will be really interesting. Aaron Glenn, rightfully, so, getting
Speaker 3: a lot of attention for potential head coaching opportunities. I
Speaker 3: think sometimes and I really lies Alex Azeloni, like they
Speaker 3: were dealing with some injuries this year that affected, but
Speaker 3: I mean they are the twentieth ranked defense in the league,
Speaker 3: and seeing if Washington can have some success against it
Speaker 3: is going to be I think, ultimately the storyline of
Speaker 3: this game, certainly Dan Quinn's defense. It's going to be
Speaker 3: a supreme challenge trying to defend Detroit. It sounded like
Speaker 3: before we hopped in here that David Montgomery is going
Speaker 3: to be back or potentially could be back here.
Speaker 1: It sounds like it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, I mean, they're they're coming back to full
Speaker 3: force here for this stretch run in a situation in
Speaker 3: which a couple of weeks ago at least it was
Speaker 3: put out there that he wasn't going to be back.
Speaker 3: Although there's part of me the contrary and sort of
Speaker 3: skeptic in me always wondered if that really was true
Speaker 3: or not. But be that as it may, David Montgomery
Speaker 3: is still in the cards here for the Lions, So
Speaker 3: that's gonna be a really good matchup. I mean, Houston's
Speaker 3: gonna see I mean you talk about like Green Bay
Speaker 3: last year, kind of playing with house money and going
Speaker 3: into San Francisco and seeing if something can happen. That's
Speaker 3: kind of where the Texans are right now. I don't
Speaker 3: think anybody really expected them to handle you know how
Speaker 3: they did, you know, kind of running through the Chargers
Speaker 3: last week. Yeah, and we'll see, man, I mean it's
Speaker 3: it's you have nothing to lose in that scenarios. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, for me, the team, the team that's playing
Speaker 2: with the most house money right now is Washington. Just yeah,
Speaker 2: for sure, with them being on this run of all
Speaker 2: of these last second, last play of the game victories
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, it doesn't get more more house
Speaker 2: money than that.
Speaker 1: Houston.
Speaker 2: I'm just very interested. I fully expect Kansas City to win,
Speaker 2: but I'm really interested in what Houston's defense does against
Speaker 2: a Kansas City offense that has not been a typical
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes offense. Yeah, right, route this year, they haven't
Speaker 2: really gotten to where you know, they've been expected to
Speaker 2: be offensively, and this Houston defense is no joke, So
Speaker 2: that that intrigues me in that respect. Sunday's games Rams
Speaker 2: at Eagles, Ravens at Bills. What are your thoughts there?
Speaker 3: Baltimore and Buffalo is maybe the biggest game of this
Speaker 3: entire postseason. Yeah, honestly, yeah, I understand the super Bowl.
Speaker 3: Everybody wants to win the Super Bowl, but Lamar and
Speaker 3: Josh Allen can't both get there. They can't both get
Speaker 3: to the AFC Championship game, and one of those two
Speaker 3: stories is going to have a very disappointing ending. You
Speaker 3: have Lamar, who, as good as he's been and multiple
Speaker 3: time MVP now has not been able to take that
Speaker 3: next step in the playoffs, and unfortunately Josh Allen has
Speaker 3: been on the losing ends so many times of these
Speaker 3: losses against Kansas City. One of them gets to advance here,
Speaker 3: and honestly, I think I potentially could favor either one
Speaker 3: of them to end up being the super Bowl champion,
Speaker 3: whoever wins that, depending on how they do so that is,
Speaker 3: and then also can Baltimore's defense, the issues that they've
Speaker 3: had over the course of this year, some of the
Speaker 3: ups and downs they've had. Can they contend with everything
Speaker 3: that Buffalo presents? Very good football game, And again you
Speaker 3: and I have talked about several times now, Kansas City,
Speaker 3: this is why you want the number one seed, especially
Speaker 3: in that conference. If you can take care of business
Speaker 3: against Houston, you get to face the team that actually
Speaker 3: gets through that gauntlet. Here between Baltimore and Buffalo, huge,
Speaker 3: huge implications in that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because I mentioned the whole thing about
Speaker 2: Buffalo being an underdog and a home playoff game for
Speaker 2: the first time in franchise history.
Speaker 1: I mentioned that on our last show.
Speaker 2: But if there's a game, if there's a January playoff
Speaker 2: game in Buffalo where the Bills actually want really really
Speaker 2: good weather, yeah it's this one. This was because not
Speaker 2: only Baltimore's running game with Derrick Henry and Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 2: but Baltimore's pass defense is the biggest weakness of that team.
Speaker 2: And Buffalo needs to be able to throw the ball
Speaker 2: all over the yard, and Buffalo doesn't run the ball
Speaker 2: well anyway, except for their quarterbacks. So Buffalo doesn't want
Speaker 2: a ten degrees. I haven't even looked at what the
Speaker 2: forecast is. They don't want ten degrees next to Lake
Speaker 2: Erie on Sunday night. That's not what they want for
Speaker 2: this game against against the Ravens Rams at Eagles. I'll
Speaker 2: just say, if Philadelphia can handle LA's pass rush, I
Speaker 2: think the Eagles win this game.
Speaker 1: I think that.
Speaker 2: I think that's really the biggest thing that it comes
Speaker 2: down to two quarterbacks. They both won their share of
Speaker 2: playoff games. You know, the best running game is obviously
Speaker 2: Philadelphia's and the Rams I think are going to have
Speaker 2: a hard time stopping Philadelphia's offense regardless of how they
Speaker 2: do against Barkley. But if that defensive front can't, you know,
Speaker 2: repeat what they did against the Vikings, I think the
Speaker 2: Rams are in trouble.
Speaker 3: Well in two weeks a row An offense with the
Speaker 3: Lafleur attached to it is going to try to find
Speaker 3: an answer here for the for the Philadelphia Eagles passing
Speaker 3: defense and everything that they present. The Rams are the
Speaker 3: wild card in all of this. I feel like like
Speaker 3: as much as you're talking about and I agree with you,
Speaker 3: Washington playing with house money, the Rams are the one
Speaker 3: that are sort of the unknown elements of this postseason
Speaker 3: run because we didn't get to see them at full
Speaker 3: strength for basically the entire season up until this stretch run.
Speaker 3: We're gonna find out how legitimate they are. If you
Speaker 3: can beat the Minnesota Vikings the way that they beat
Speaker 3: them and then go on the road into Philadelphia and
Speaker 3: hand it to the Eagles, there may not be a
Speaker 3: hotter team even if Washington finds a way to upset
Speaker 3: Detroit heading into that championship AFC and NFC weekend. So
Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford's been there, He's done that. You're talking about
Speaker 3: experienced quarterbacks in this league. There's nothing that Vic Fangio
Speaker 3: is going to show him that Stafford hasn't seen before.
Speaker 3: Do they have the weapons and everything around that to
Speaker 3: take advantage of it? And we'll find out on Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we will find out.
Speaker 2: And we've run a little bit long again, but that's okay,
Speaker 2: it's our last show of the year. I'm just gonna
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Speaker 2: I will turn it over to you for a couple
Speaker 2: of last times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you. Michael us Here Packer's Digital and Broadcast
Speaker 3: and Social Department. Everybody attached with us lost somebody very
Speaker 3: close to us this week, and Mike Vandersnick. I just
Speaker 3: want to say a couple of words about Snick, and
Speaker 3: these last couple of days have been really hard for
Speaker 3: me personally. I've known Mike basically since I was a
Speaker 3: teenager and I worked with them at Spectrum what was
Speaker 3: previously Time Warner Cable. Got to know him there twenty thirteen,
Speaker 3: JP cadoran love you, JP, wherever you're at. Him and
Speaker 3: his lovely wife Welcome to the birth of a child,
Speaker 3: and Spectrum sent me. I was covering the games for
Speaker 3: the Press gazette. They decided, Hey, we're gonna have you
Speaker 3: be our stand up guy. You're gonna do the live
Speaker 3: stand up or not lives, but the look live, and
Speaker 3: Snick was my videographer and god, I was terrible. I
Speaker 3: was so bad, Mike, Like, I'm not saying I've ever
Speaker 3: been good on camera. I have to ask thee if
Speaker 3: Dennis Crowsey has those videos for me. I was so bad.
Speaker 3: And Nick Snick was so encouraging to me. This guy
Speaker 3: has worked in the field forever. He was with us
Speaker 3: as a videographer. He basically worked for every TV station
Speaker 3: in this area. A total professional. You'll never find anybody
Speaker 3: better at what he did. And he was so encouraging
Speaker 3: to me. And I was so bad at what I
Speaker 3: was doing. I went back and looked at it and
Speaker 3: it was so terrible. But that's just the type of
Speaker 3: guy he was. And there's a million stories we could share.
Speaker 3: I've had great time talking to people the last few days,
Speaker 3: you know, sort of bringing through some of our favorite
Speaker 3: moments of him. And I just want to say this.
Speaker 3: In twenty fifteen, Mike was the first person that came
Speaker 3: up to me and told me that VIC was going
Speaker 3: to be retiring. And he was the first guy that
Speaker 3: said to me, Hey, you know, maybe this is something
Speaker 3: that you should consider. Not that the packers would have
Speaker 3: even wanted me, but to keep your eyes and your
Speaker 3: ears open to.
Speaker 1: Oh, we wanted you, We wanted you.
Speaker 2: But I'll give a shout out and thank you to
Speaker 2: Snick for planning the seed.
Speaker 3: And I actually at first said, no, I'm not interested
Speaker 3: in that. I'm a newspaper man. I'm a tough guy.
Speaker 3: And Snick and I always had a relationship. I never
Speaker 3: got into a fight with him once, never had to
Speaker 3: disagree with him once. But he looked at me kind
Speaker 3: of like the way a young older brother would look
Speaker 3: at a younger brother, like you're being stupid, Like what
Speaker 3: are you talking about? And because Mike had seen what
Speaker 3: the news industry was looking like, he knew what my
Speaker 3: situation looked like at the newspaper when Gannett had bought
Speaker 3: the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and there's gonna be a merger
Speaker 3: between the Prescazette and the JS and and who knows
Speaker 3: what that could mean for jobs. And I ended up
Speaker 3: reconsidering and I texted Ryan Hartwig. I texted Duke Bobber,
Speaker 3: who's my direct boss, our our direct supervisor. And six
Speaker 3: months later I got a job with the packers. And
Speaker 3: I will never forget the look that Mike gave me
Speaker 3: the day that I started here. And I love you Mike,
Speaker 3: I appreciate everything you did for me. I'm so heartbroken
Speaker 3: and sad for the people that know you even better
Speaker 3: than I did. His wife, Shelley is wonderful wife. Shelley's
Speaker 3: beautiful wife, Shelley, and everybody that he touched and everybody
Speaker 3: that he did so much good with, And I will
Speaker 3: forever cherish all the memories, the road trips, everything we
Speaker 3: did and the bond that we formed. And the last
Speaker 3: two days have been two of the rougher days that
Speaker 3: I've had in a very long time. And what's kind
Speaker 3: of getting me through it right now, spot is the
Speaker 3: fact that there are so many good memories of things
Speaker 3: that we did together and times that we shared, and
Speaker 3: laughs and photos and and everything. So I appreciate the
Speaker 3: packers and you and everybody given me an opportunity to
Speaker 3: kind of express that, because Mike, for as long as
Speaker 3: I live, buddy, I am going to be living for you.
Speaker 3: I love you, and I am never ever ever going
Speaker 3: to forget you, And I'm looking forward very someday have
Speaker 3: a reconciliation with you there and be able to.
Speaker 1: Meet up again. Yeah. Well I couldn't say it any better.
Speaker 2: So I'm not gonna try, and with that we're going
Speaker 2: to call it a rap on the edition of Packers
Speaker 2: Unscripted and this season of Packers Unscripted. A thank you
Speaker 2: to all of our viewers and listeners and everybody who
Speaker 2: enjoys what we do here, and also a shout out
Speaker 2: to our producer Zach. Thanks for hanging with us all season, buddy.
Speaker 1: And as I said.
Speaker 2: We will be back at some point before the draft,
Speaker 2: which is in Green Bay in case you haven't been
Speaker 2: paying attention, But until then, for Wes, I am Mike.
Speaker 2: Thank you for tuning in everybody, and we will see
Speaker 2: you next time.