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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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Speaker 2: I am Mike Spafford, joined as always by my trusted

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Speaker 2: colleague Weston Hodkoitz. We're coming to you here from our

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Speaker 2: studios at Lambeufield kind of a season wrap up show.

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Speaker 2: I guess you would say this will be our last

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Speaker 2: show for the time being. We will be back at

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Speaker 2: some point before the draft, just not quite sure exactly

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Speaker 2: when that'll be, but we will be taking a break

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Speaker 2: on Packers Unscripted. We'll start this final show of the

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Speaker 2: season West with this.

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Speaker 1: Not long before.

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Speaker 2: We stepped into the studio here, we heard from Packers

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Speaker 2: General manager Brian Gudukunst. He addressed the media for about

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Speaker 2: thirty five minutes in his annual season wrap up news conference.

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Speaker 2: And I'll just throw an open ended question out to you,

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Speaker 2: what if anything stood out to you as your biggest

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Speaker 2: takeaway from that media session.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Mike, there was plenty of takeaways from it. I

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Speaker 3: think the one where my ears perked up the most,

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Speaker 3: and obviously a lot of the media outlets have kind

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Speaker 3: of grabbed onto it the idea that you know, now

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Speaker 3: is the time to start competing for championships and that

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Speaker 3: not that Green Bay isn't always doing that, but they

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Speaker 3: understand how good these recent draft classes have been in

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Speaker 3: twenty two to twenty three, and then obviously you've already

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Speaker 3: seen some production from the twenty four class in how

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Speaker 3: that translates to this team taking the next step. And

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Speaker 3: I think my biggest takeaway beyond that was just Brian

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Speaker 3: talking about the financial flexibility of these guys. They can

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Speaker 3: make any move they want. Obviously, every dollar that you

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Speaker 3: spend in free agency is also would come out of

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Speaker 3: the kiddy, so to speak, for the dollars that you

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Speaker 3: can spend on extensions, which Green Bay now also is

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Speaker 3: going to have coming up right. And I just think

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Speaker 3: when you talk about Brian Guda Kuntz as the general

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Speaker 3: manager and Russ Ball in this front office and how

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Speaker 3: it's been constructed over the last six seven years, they

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Speaker 3: like having their options and I think at this point

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Speaker 3: in time they have a lot of those. They've worked

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Speaker 3: theirselves back from kind of that kicking the can down

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Speaker 3: the road, you know, bowering against the future to win

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Speaker 3: now back in twenty one and somewhat in twenty two,

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Speaker 3: they've gotten back into the black, so to speak in

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Speaker 3: terms of the financial aspect of it, and Green Bay's

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Speaker 3: ready to compete. So disappointing ending to the season, but

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Speaker 3: Brian definitely painted a and optimistic picture of what this

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Speaker 3: future looks like in Green Bay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I heard much the same that you did in

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Speaker 2: terms of what's top of mind for me the salary

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Speaker 2: cap situation. The Packers are in as good a shape

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Speaker 2: as they've been really since the COVID seasons, when you know,

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Speaker 2: there was the big shift in the cap and lots

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Speaker 2: of other decisions were made to try to stay at

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Speaker 2: the forefront and compete for a championship. As Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 2: career was in Green Bay was winding down, and what

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Speaker 2: you said about the it's time to compete for championships,

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Speaker 2: I thought it was right at the very very end

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Speaker 2: of the last answer, the way he talked about a

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Speaker 2: lot of the young players on this team, they've now

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Speaker 2: proven they can play in the NFL. They've established themselves

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Speaker 2: as NFL players, and he sort of threw this question

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Speaker 2: out there about, Okay, well, what's next in terms of

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Speaker 2: what you can bring to this team to push this team.

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Speaker 1: Over the top.

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Speaker 2: It's not every player that comes into this league yes,

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Speaker 2: you need to be a team player, but you need

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Speaker 2: to establish yourself. And you know that's first and foremost

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Speaker 2: for these guys because they're here to have a career,

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Speaker 2: they're here to make money, they're here to do the

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Speaker 2: best that they can.

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Speaker 1: There's a bunch of young guys.

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Speaker 2: Who have established themselves now, so now their personal attitude

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Speaker 2: about success. And I'm not saying guys haven't been team players,

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Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, but your personal attitude, your personal

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Speaker 2: approach to success now needs to branch out and embrace

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Speaker 2: the entire team. And what more can you do to

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Speaker 2: help the team take the next step. That's sort of

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Speaker 2: what I heard.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, ask not what your team can do for you,

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Speaker 3: but what you can do for your team? Nice, very nice,

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Speaker 3: Thank you. No, but listen, I love that message because

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Speaker 3: you're talking beyond just guys being NFL players and being

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Speaker 3: good NFL players. You're talking about can you make the

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Speaker 3: next step to be a leader? Can you be the

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Speaker 3: next step to be a consistent playmaker, a star?

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Speaker 2: That's I think exactly what he was getting at that.

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Speaker 2: You're putting it better than I No.

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Speaker 3: Not at all. I thought you made a fine point

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Speaker 3: have so many great players on this team, but who's

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Speaker 3: going to make that next jump? And by the way,

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Speaker 3: not to say that you're behind on that. It took

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Speaker 3: Jordy Nelson two three years, honestly the end of the

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Speaker 3: ten season before his star really start to shine. No doubt,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't always happen overnight. But that being said, you

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Speaker 3: have guys like Eddrian Cooper, and you know, you look

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Speaker 3: something that good it consoluded to as well as far

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Speaker 3: as needing to extend guys here in these next couple drafts.

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Speaker 3: The twenty two draft now is going to be eligible

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Speaker 3: for extensions. You get through next year, the twenty three

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Speaker 3: reasons when you when you look at the Xavier McKinney's

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Speaker 3: really enjoy that. But as Brian said, there isn't always

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Speaker 3: those players available, right, and you have to be very

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Speaker 3: pragmatic with how you use your your finances and the

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Speaker 3: decisions that you make as you build your team up

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Speaker 3: for the future, and how that all ties together. The

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Speaker 3: one thing that's been fun for me. You probably caught

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Speaker 3: onto this earlier than I did, because one you're you're

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Speaker 3: much smarter than I am. But two, you also have

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Speaker 3: covered this for quite a while now in the National

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Speaker 3: Football League. There was a time my first few years

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Speaker 3: where I was doing this beat where it's like, okay,

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Speaker 3: well you need to have your cornerback one and your

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Speaker 3: cornerback two. These are your starting safeties, here's your offensive line,

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Speaker 3: and then this is it. You built your team. Well,

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Speaker 3: the longer you cover this league, even under the most

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Speaker 3: favorable situations, you're going to have injuries, You're going to

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Speaker 3: have things that change. You're not going to have the

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Speaker 3: same exact lineup the entire season. And that is honestly

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Speaker 3: the way that Brian builds his team. That's how he

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Speaker 3: does it. It's about, yeah, you're preferred starters, but also

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Speaker 3: you're young guys that you're going to develop. He mentioned

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Speaker 3: shoulder surgery. Where does he fit into the picture next year?

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Speaker 3: For these guys. The only guy it sounds like that

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Speaker 3: on pre existing injuries right now is Christian Watson. What's

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Speaker 3: the reaction to that this offseason. Whether it's a free

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Speaker 3: the decisions Brian Goodikuns has to make. But at the

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Speaker 3: end of the day, Mike him and his personnel department,

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Speaker 3: they're going to give themselves depth. They're going to give

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think this is something to keep in

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Speaker 2: a lot of salary cut flexibility and the ability to

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Speaker 2: really do whatever it is that they want to do

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Speaker 2: in terms of augmenting and reshaping the roster. You mentioned

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Speaker 2: Xavier McKinney Josh Jacobs. Just because McKinney and Jacobs were

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Speaker 2: guys the Packers were able to bring in last year,

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Speaker 2: that doesn't mean, for example, that the top wide receiver

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Speaker 2: top pass Rusher will be available on the market.

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Speaker 1: Will be as good as those guys.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's going to be a top so and

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Speaker 2: so available on the market. It doesn't mean it's the

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Speaker 2: next Xavier McKinney or the next Josh Jacobs. And that's

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Speaker 2: something for fans to keep in mind. Because the Packers

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Speaker 2: went out and got those top guys last year doesn't

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Speaker 2: mean that though, that the top guys available this year

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Speaker 2: are necessarily going to fit the Packers' vision and the culture,

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Speaker 2: the guys. You know, Gota Kuntz has said it so

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Speaker 2: many times and you just reiterated it. Guys like Xavier

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Speaker 2: McKinnon and Josh Jacobs are not available on the free

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Speaker 2: agent market every year. That's why Brian jumped in and

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Speaker 2: was as aggressive as he was last year because he

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Speaker 2: saw those as rare opportunities. Just something to keep in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's a great point. One thing I've always

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Speaker 3: personally loved too. How many people, including myself would have said, Hey,

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Speaker 3: the Minnesota Vikings last year had an A plus free agency.

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Speaker 3: Andrew Van Ginkel and Blake Cashman were not household names,

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Speaker 3: Zadarius Smith when the Packers signed him in twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 3: it was a rotational rusher in Baltimore, not a household name.

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Speaker 3: It's projecting sometimes where these guys are going to. It's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they's gonna be exactly.

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Speaker 2: There's still some there's still some crystal ball business to

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Speaker 2: just you're at a different point in a player's career

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Speaker 2: in terms of trying to look and to project. Well,

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Speaker 2: some of the guys that you mentioned just a few

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Speaker 2: the next conversation we're going to have, which is I'm

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Speaker 2: certain categories here. And I'm not going to say, you know,

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Speaker 2: this isn't going to be like Team MVP, because if

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Speaker 2: you say Josh Jacobs, then I'm gonna say Zaber McKinney

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Speaker 2: or viceversa. I'm not even gonna go there. These are

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Speaker 2: And if you and I have not tied him up

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Speaker 2: for this, folks, if you end up picking a guy

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Speaker 2: that I wanted to talk about, I will have to

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Speaker 2: pivot on the fly and talk about somebody else. So

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Speaker 2: my first one the unsung hero of the twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: Oh, what a great question, Mike, the unsung hero. There's

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Speaker 3: so many levels to this. Yeah, how far do we

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Speaker 2: You can take that, You can take this any direction.

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Speaker 2: You can define unsung hero anyway.

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Speaker 3: You Okay, So I'm gonna do I'm going to define

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Speaker 3: unsung hero as a guy that helped them get to

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Speaker 3: So for my unsung hero, I'll pick Carrington Valentine as

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Speaker 3: He he kind of has some setbacks with that and

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Speaker 3: then it, you know, it appears like Jay Air, Eric Stokes,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to give what probably will strike you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm totally with you in this category. As

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my guy for surprise player is Keishaan Nixon.

438
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:06,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good one.

439
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, And we talked about him on previous

440
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,080
Speaker 2: shows as well. I mean, with as much time as

441
00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,960
Speaker 2: Jay Alexander missed and Nixon being asked not only to

442
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 2: bump out and play outside corner, but to play essentially

443
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,520
Speaker 2: the CB one spot for as many games as he did,

444
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:29,479
Speaker 2: and to perform at the level that he did. I

445
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 2: thought the player, the defensive player that Kishan Nixon has

446
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 2: become over the last couple of years is nothing short

447
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,200
Speaker 2: of very impressive. And it's a lot of credit to him.

448
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 2: It's it's a credit to it's a credit to the

449
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 2: coaches to give him the opportunity to see what he

450
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:52,120
Speaker 2: can do, and the credit to him to deliver when he's.

451
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,440
Speaker 1: Called upon there. And you know, if.

452
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 2: I'll just say it this way, and we don't need

453
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,679
Speaker 2: to go off on the tangent, so I apologize if

454
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 2: it sends us there. If the OPI is called at

455
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 2: the end of the Detroit game, we're talking about Keishawn

456
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 2: Nixon as maybe the hero of that football game.

457
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:11,639
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying.

458
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 3: You know what it is, It's it's like the Hey,

459
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 3: don't poke me, Yeah, don't prod me here, Spofford, all right,

460
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 3: we'll move on. Hey, let me say this, and that's

461
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,359
Speaker 3: a great you know what, you know what I mean though,

462
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 3: I know exactly what Keishawn Nixon did in that game

463
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 3: in Detroit was impressive as all get out.

464
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 2: And then and unfortunately, then you know, the discussion turns to,

465
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,360
Speaker 2: you know, to to that play right at the end

466
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,679
Speaker 2: where he's all over their number one receiver and just

467
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 2: gets shoved out of the way, and it doesn't matter.

468
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,239
Speaker 3: Doesn't matter. Yeah, there's too many of those situations this here,

469
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:43,880
Speaker 3: and obviously Green Bay talked about it too. You don't

470
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 3: want to be in those situations where the refs are

471
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 3: are changing stuff. But the one, the one credit I'll

472
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Speaker 3: give to Kishawn. I've covered this team. This was year thirteen,

473
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,360
Speaker 3: season thirteen for me. The one thing I will say

474
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 3: about him is Treman Williams is probably the only cornerback

475
00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 3: I can think of that has been able to play

476
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 3: outside on the perimeter and slide into the slot and

477
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 3: perform as well as he did. That is not an

478
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 3: advantageous situation to be And Keishan did a really good

479
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 3: job in the locker room this year of kind of

480
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 3: explaining the differences between the two positions, the instincts that

481
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 3: are required outside and reading exactly how guys are lining

482
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 3: up and what you're potentially facing, and then inside, where

483
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 3: it's you're trying to be physical. You don't have as

484
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 3: much time to read and react. It's a difficult juggling act.

485
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 3: And there were several times this year where because of

486
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 3: injuries or certain situations, he had to handle both of

487
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 3: those things at a fly, and he passed that test.

488
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 3: For as much as I people just don't want to

489
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 3: give him his flow. Some fans don't want to give

490
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 3: him his flowers. Keishaw Nixon is a huge part of

491
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 3: this thing and what Koreembia is going to build here

492
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 3: in the years to come.

493
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, and it's why I wanted to I

494
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 2: want to continue to emphasize.

495
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 3: That, because why is an unsung hero, because.

496
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, he could fit.

497
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 2: He could have fit in that category as well as

498
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 2: whether you want to call it unsung hero a surprise player.

499
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,880
Speaker 2: I think I know what your answer is is already

500
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,479
Speaker 2: to this next one, but I'm gonna throw it out

501
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 2: there anyway, And you kind of already hinted at it

502
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 2: unless you've changed your mind.

503
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 3: Always changed my mind. Best moment of the season, Oh yeah,

504
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 3: I love the McManus field goal against Houston. Against Houston,

505
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 3: yeah yeah. And the only reason for that is first

506
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 3: first game, the guy shows up.

507
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 2: I mean they sign him on what Tuesday? Yeah, and

508
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 2: then on Sunday he's got to walk out in the

509
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 2: Lambeau Field and and hit a walk off field goal.

510
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 2: And not just a walk off field goal, but one

511
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 2: that you lose if you missed it.

512
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: Because the Packers were down by a point.

513
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 3: And in what's the definition of best moment in the season,

514
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 3: it's the It's the thing that you think of immediately.

515
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 3: It's the image that you think of Aaron Rodgers a

516
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 3: number of years ago doing that I still own you

517
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,719
Speaker 3: thing to the fans at Soldier Field and what ended

518
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,880
Speaker 3: up being his last start for Green Bay. There mcmannon

519
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 3: and obviously McManus wasn't being wasn't doing that, but him

520
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 3: jumping to the crowd, the way that guys reacted to it,

521
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 3: the Packers wearing the winter Warning jerseys, it just and

522
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 3: it was a very big win. It was a win

523
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 3: over a team that at the time in which we're shooting.

524
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 3: This is still playing for a Super Bowl. I mean,

525
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 3: I just I loved everything about it. It was the

526
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 3: biggest headache Green Bay had had. They went through so

527
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 3: many different kickers and situations, and it's a situation where

528
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 3: it's not just about whether Brandon Narvson con made it.

529
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 3: How many kickers in the National Football League are able

530
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 3: to come up in that situation. And mcmahonus proved that

531
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 3: he is is a veteran, He's done this before, he

532
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 3: has a process that works for him. And I think

533
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 3: it was after that day everybody kind of felt like, Okay,

534
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 3: the Packers are going to be okay.

535
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

536
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 2: For me, it's and part of this is, I mean,

537
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 2: you know how things are for us at the end

538
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 2: of games, Like I'm live blogging the game and I

539
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 2: need to you know, you're doing the quarter by quarter

540
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 2: updates on the website, and then I need to write

541
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 2: kind of the summary, the quick recap right at the

542
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 2: end of the game that goes on top of your

543
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 2: quarter by quarter thing. That's how we kind of piece

544
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 2: this together. So when things are frantic at the end

545
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 2: of game, like my mind is going like a gazillion

546
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 2: different miles an hour, So for me, the best moment

547
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 2: of the season is sort of related to all of

548
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 2: that chaos, and it's in Jacksonville tie score, and Malik

549
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 2: Willis hits Jaden Reid for fifty one yards. That sets

550
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 2: up then another walk off, a chip shot in this

551
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 2: case for McManus, because you know, Willis had come in, Hey,

552
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 2: he'd done a great job. The Packers were up ten points.

553
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 2: Then the defense starts to falter, gives up ten points

554
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 2: on two straight drives by Trevor Lawrence. The offense had

555
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 2: been going nowhere, and so you know, I'm thinking, you know,

556
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, this looks like one that's going to

557
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,199
Speaker 2: get away. You know, it's it felt a lot like

558
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 2: the Carolina Yeah, for sure last year one that was.

559
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: Going to get away.

560
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 2: That you're just like, how do you let this game

561
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 2: get away? And then Willis hits Red and they get

562
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: the big play fifty one yards down the field, and

563
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,479
Speaker 2: you know, we hop on the plane to come home

564
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 2: from Jacksonville with another victory and a lot more exciting

565
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 2: things to write about than if that game had gone

566
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 2: the other way. And that, for me, that's the one

567
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 2: that stands out with the Carl Brooks blockfield goal in

568
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 2: Chicago being right up there as well. But the Jacksonville

569
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,239
Speaker 2: one mentally is the one that sticks with me.

570
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 3: I'm with you on that too, because the only thing

571
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 3: that kind of hurts about the Brooks one is that

572
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 3: Santos gets it back at Lambeufield.

573
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: Right finalitey agreed, But what I.

574
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 3: Loved about willis Man is I mean, he can spin it, dude.

575
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 3: I love watching him throw football.

576
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, get no doubt it is it is.

577
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 3: He throws a nice, tight spiral. I just I can't

578
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 3: get over the fact Green Bay got him for a

579
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 3: seventh round pick, and especially in.

580
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 2: Nness, was in quarterback purgatory all year long after trading

581
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 2: that guy for a seventh round pick.

582
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: Well, some things they won't be anymore. Yeah, some teams.

583
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 2: Some team's misfortune is yeah, another team's good fortune. So

584
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 2: all right, this last one I'm gonna throw at you.

585
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 2: And this I've never asked you this question before, Okay,

586
00:27:55,119 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 2: within this context, but it struck me as one to

587
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 2: ask because of how we had talked on our last

588
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 2: show about the big what if of the playoff game

589
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 2: was obviously the opening kickoff and the replay review and

590
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 2: all that, and it was sort of the what if

591
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 2: about the game against Philly that was hanging out there

592
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 2: like a Matza ball to steal a Jerry Seinfeld expression.

593
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: So I want to ask you, what do you feel,

594
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 2: aside from that one from the playoff game, what was

595
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 2: your biggest what if moment of this season for the Pack?

596
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 3: Before I turn it over that, I just want to say,

597
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 3: what if the New York Office had access to the

598
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 3: same skycam footage that Bob from Krivits had access to

599
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 3: and how that might have affected this football game? That's

600
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 3: that's my my what if. No, I think my big

601
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 3: what if is ultimately going to end up being just

602
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 3: with Christian Watson. And I don't want to put it

603
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 3: all on Christian because, as I've talked about with you before,

604
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 3: Green Bay didn't have him for most of the last

605
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 3: season and they were able to overcome it. They were

606
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 3: without you know, Aaron Jones last season for most of

607
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 3: last season in various intervals, and we're able to overcome it.

608
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 3: So you always have to play above that. You need

609
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 3: guys to step up. But but that being said, Christian

610
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 3: is such a solid football player, good leader, will do

611
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 3: anything you need him to do. If he's on the

612
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 3: field for them down the stretch, and he's commanding. We're

613
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 3: talking about the shelf and the ceiling that they built,

614
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 3: that roof that Philadelphia built. Well, running number seven against

615
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 3: that changes then number nine, number nine as much as

616
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 3: quite sure where that game. Number seven is on my

617
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 3: mind right now, but let's stick to name.

618
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: Thought i'd correct you before that.

619
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for doing that, by the way, yeah scream,

620
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 3: but even have a number seven right now?

621
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kuay Walker.

622
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 3: Oh kay Walker. Yeah, because he's on defense. I'm yeah,

623
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 3: I'm going to retire. Uh, it's been a log season.

624
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 3: There's a reason this is our last. Shit. This reminds

625
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 3: me of the time that somebody who will remain nameless

626
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 3: asked you in the press box, Mike, who's number eighteen? Yeah,

627
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 3: when it was Randall Cobb. Listen, I'm taken away from

628
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 3: the point here, but Christian Watson is a really good

629
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 3: football player, and to lose him in that sense and

630
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 3: not have him on the field and now we'll see

631
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 3: exactly what the future holds here as they try to

632
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 3: navigate this offseason without him. I just I just wonder

633
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 3: if Christian Watson is out there for this playoff run.

634
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 3: How that changes Green Bay's offense and maybe the way

635
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 3: that the Philadelphia Eagles and potentially the opponent after that.

636
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,479
Speaker 1: Would have had to send him. Yeah. For me, the

637
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: what if moment is.

638
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 2: It'll it'd be pinpointed to somewhere around give or take

639
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 2: a few minutes, but three pm on Week eighteen, because

640
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 2: the Washington Commanders threw a touchdown pass with five seconds

641
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 2: sure right the Dallas Cowboys and the Packers lost to

642
00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 2: the Chicago Bears on a walk off field goal. Those

643
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 2: two things happened within moments of each other.

644
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, And if both of.

645
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 2: Those games go the other way, the Packers are the

646
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 2: sixth seed and not the seventh seed, and they are

647
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 2: going to Tampa Bay, which is just a ten win

648
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 2: football team in the winner of a poor division, instead

649
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: of a fourteen win team in Philadelphia. Playing the three

650
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: seed versus the two seed, I think was a huge

651
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 2: difference in terms of the wild card round in the

652
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 2: NFC playoffs. So for me, that's my what if because

653
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 2: I think if the Packers go to Tampa instead of

654
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 2: going to Philly, I think we've been spending this show

655
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 2: talking about a rematch with Detroit. Yeah, and game number

656
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 2: three against the Lions. But that's the what if. That's

657
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 2: the what if.

658
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 3: I really wanted that one too. I just again, you

659
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 3: know me, the pro wrestling fan in me, the narratives

660
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 3: and all that stuff that goes into it. I just

661
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 3: think the build of that game would have been so

662
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,479
Speaker 3: much fun. It didn't happen. Yeah, Washington goes to Detroit, obviously,

663
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 3: the Los Angeles Amselill go to Philadelphia, and the NFC

664
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 3: representative will be one of those four teams in the

665
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 3: Super Bowl.

666
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 2: And I want to get your thoughts quickly. This took

667
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 2: a little longer than I thought, but it's the last show.

668
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 3: Oh you're talking to me, But I'm a long winded.

669
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Speaker 1: I've been a little long winded today too. But for

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678
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679
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Speaker 2: Any thoughts to share as the weekend approach.

680
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 3: Washington versus Detroit's is more specifically, Washington's offense versus Detroit's

681
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 3: defense will be really interesting. Aaron Glenn, rightfully, so, getting

682
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 3: a lot of attention for potential head coaching opportunities. I

683
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 3: think sometimes and I really lies Alex Azeloni, like they

684
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 3: were dealing with some injuries this year that affected, but

685
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 3: I mean they are the twentieth ranked defense in the league,

686
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 3: and seeing if Washington can have some success against it

687
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 3: is going to be I think, ultimately the storyline of

688
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 3: this game, certainly Dan Quinn's defense. It's going to be

689
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 3: a supreme challenge trying to defend Detroit. It sounded like

690
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 3: before we hopped in here that David Montgomery is going

691
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 3: to be back or potentially could be back here.

692
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: It sounds like it.

693
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, I mean, they're they're coming back to full

694
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 3: force here for this stretch run in a situation in

695
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 3: which a couple of weeks ago at least it was

696
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 3: put out there that he wasn't going to be back.

697
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 3: Although there's part of me the contrary and sort of

698
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 3: skeptic in me always wondered if that really was true

699
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 3: or not. But be that as it may, David Montgomery

700
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 3: is still in the cards here for the Lions, So

701
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 3: that's gonna be a really good matchup. I mean, Houston's

702
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 3: gonna see I mean you talk about like Green Bay

703
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 3: last year, kind of playing with house money and going

704
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 3: into San Francisco and seeing if something can happen. That's

705
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 3: kind of where the Texans are right now. I don't

706
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 3: think anybody really expected them to handle you know how

707
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 3: they did, you know, kind of running through the Chargers

708
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 3: last week. Yeah, and we'll see, man, I mean it's

709
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 3: it's you have nothing to lose in that scenarios. Yeah.

710
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 2: I mean, for me, the team, the team that's playing

711
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 2: with the most house money right now is Washington. Just yeah,

712
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 2: for sure, with them being on this run of all

713
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 2: of these last second, last play of the game victories

714
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, it doesn't get more more house

715
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 2: money than that.

716
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 1: Houston.

717
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: I'm just very interested. I fully expect Kansas City to win,

718
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 2: but I'm really interested in what Houston's defense does against

719
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 2: a Kansas City offense that has not been a typical

720
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes offense. Yeah, right, route this year, they haven't

721
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 2: really gotten to where you know, they've been expected to

722
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 2: be offensively, and this Houston defense is no joke, So

723
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 2: that that intrigues me in that respect. Sunday's games Rams

724
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: at Eagles, Ravens at Bills. What are your thoughts there?

725
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 3: Baltimore and Buffalo is maybe the biggest game of this

726
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 3: entire postseason. Yeah, honestly, yeah, I understand the super Bowl.

727
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 3: Everybody wants to win the Super Bowl, but Lamar and

728
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 3: Josh Allen can't both get there. They can't both get

729
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 3: to the AFC Championship game, and one of those two

730
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 3: stories is going to have a very disappointing ending. You

731
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 3: have Lamar, who, as good as he's been and multiple

732
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 3: time MVP now has not been able to take that

733
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 3: next step in the playoffs, and unfortunately Josh Allen has

734
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,959
Speaker 3: been on the losing ends so many times of these

735
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 3: losses against Kansas City. One of them gets to advance here,

736
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 3: and honestly, I think I potentially could favor either one

737
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 3: of them to end up being the super Bowl champion,

738
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 3: whoever wins that, depending on how they do so that is,

739
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 3: and then also can Baltimore's defense, the issues that they've

740
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 3: had over the course of this year, some of the

741
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 3: ups and downs they've had. Can they contend with everything

742
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 3: that Buffalo presents? Very good football game, And again you

743
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 3: and I have talked about several times now, Kansas City,

744
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 3: this is why you want the number one seed, especially

745
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 3: in that conference. If you can take care of business

746
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 3: against Houston, you get to face the team that actually

747
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:03,439
Speaker 3: gets through that gauntlet. Here between Baltimore and Buffalo, huge,

748
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:04,959
Speaker 3: huge implications in that one.

749
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because I mentioned the whole thing about

750
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 2: Buffalo being an underdog and a home playoff game for

751
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 2: the first time in franchise history.

752
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:14,959
Speaker 1: I mentioned that on our last show.

753
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 2: But if there's a game, if there's a January playoff

754
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 2: game in Buffalo where the Bills actually want really really

755
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 2: good weather, yeah it's this one. This was because not

756
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 2: only Baltimore's running game with Derrick Henry and Lamar Jackson,

757
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 2: but Baltimore's pass defense is the biggest weakness of that team.

758
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 2: And Buffalo needs to be able to throw the ball

759
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 2: all over the yard, and Buffalo doesn't run the ball

760
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 2: well anyway, except for their quarterbacks. So Buffalo doesn't want

761
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: a ten degrees. I haven't even looked at what the

762
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 2: forecast is. They don't want ten degrees next to Lake

763
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 2: Erie on Sunday night. That's not what they want for

764
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 2: this game against against the Ravens Rams at Eagles. I'll

765
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 2: just say, if Philadelphia can handle LA's pass rush, I

766
00:36:58,360 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: think the Eagles win this game.

767
00:36:59,600 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: I think that.

768
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 2: I think that's really the biggest thing that it comes

769
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 2: down to two quarterbacks. They both won their share of

770
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 2: playoff games. You know, the best running game is obviously

771
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 2: Philadelphia's and the Rams I think are going to have

772
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 2: a hard time stopping Philadelphia's offense regardless of how they

773
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 2: do against Barkley. But if that defensive front can't, you know,

774
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 2: repeat what they did against the Vikings, I think the

775
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 2: Rams are in trouble.

776
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 3: Well in two weeks a row An offense with the

777
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,879
Speaker 3: Lafleur attached to it is going to try to find

778
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 3: an answer here for the for the Philadelphia Eagles passing

779
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 3: defense and everything that they present. The Rams are the

780
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 3: wild card in all of this. I feel like like

781
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 3: as much as you're talking about and I agree with you,

782
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 3: Washington playing with house money, the Rams are the one

783
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 3: that are sort of the unknown elements of this postseason

784
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 3: run because we didn't get to see them at full

785
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 3: strength for basically the entire season up until this stretch run.

786
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 3: We're gonna find out how legitimate they are. If you

787
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 3: can beat the Minnesota Vikings the way that they beat

788
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 3: them and then go on the road into Philadelphia and

789
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 3: hand it to the Eagles, there may not be a

790
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 3: hotter team even if Washington finds a way to upset

791
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 3: Detroit heading into that championship AFC and NFC weekend. So

792
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford's been there, He's done that. You're talking about

793
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 3: experienced quarterbacks in this league. There's nothing that Vic Fangio

794
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 3: is going to show him that Stafford hasn't seen before.

795
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 3: Do they have the weapons and everything around that to

796
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 3: take advantage of it? And we'll find out on Sunday afternoon.

797
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, we will find out.

798
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 2: And we've run a little bit long again, but that's okay,

799
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 2: it's our last show of the year. I'm just gonna

800
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 2: do this one more time, folks, because the countdown to

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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty five NFL Draft has begun. Green Bay

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Speaker 2: slash Draft twenty five for more information. And before we go,

807
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Speaker 2: I will turn it over to you for a couple

808
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 2: of last times.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you. Michael us Here Packer's Digital and Broadcast

810
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 3: and Social Department. Everybody attached with us lost somebody very

811
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 3: close to us this week, and Mike Vandersnick. I just

812
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 3: want to say a couple of words about Snick, and

813
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 3: these last couple of days have been really hard for

814
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 3: me personally. I've known Mike basically since I was a

815
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 3: teenager and I worked with them at Spectrum what was

816
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 3: previously Time Warner Cable. Got to know him there twenty thirteen,

817
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Speaker 3: JP cadoran love you, JP, wherever you're at. Him and

818
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 3: his lovely wife Welcome to the birth of a child,

819
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 3: and Spectrum sent me. I was covering the games for

820
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 3: the Press gazette. They decided, Hey, we're gonna have you

821
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 3: be our stand up guy. You're gonna do the live

822
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 3: stand up or not lives, but the look live, and

823
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 3: Snick was my videographer and god, I was terrible. I

824
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 3: was so bad, Mike, Like, I'm not saying I've ever

825
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 3: been good on camera. I have to ask thee if

826
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 3: Dennis Crowsey has those videos for me. I was so bad.

827
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 3: And Nick Snick was so encouraging to me. This guy

828
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 3: has worked in the field forever. He was with us

829
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 3: as a videographer. He basically worked for every TV station

830
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 3: in this area. A total professional. You'll never find anybody

831
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 3: better at what he did. And he was so encouraging

832
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 3: to me. And I was so bad at what I

833
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 3: was doing. I went back and looked at it and

834
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 3: it was so terrible. But that's just the type of

835
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 3: guy he was. And there's a million stories we could share.

836
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 3: I've had great time talking to people the last few days,

837
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 3: you know, sort of bringing through some of our favorite

838
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 3: moments of him. And I just want to say this.

839
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 3: In twenty fifteen, Mike was the first person that came

840
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 3: up to me and told me that VIC was going

841
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 3: to be retiring. And he was the first guy that

842
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 3: said to me, Hey, you know, maybe this is something

843
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 3: that you should consider. Not that the packers would have

844
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 3: even wanted me, but to keep your eyes and your

845
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 3: ears open to.

846
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: Oh, we wanted you, We wanted you.

847
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 2: But I'll give a shout out and thank you to

848
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 2: Snick for planning the seed.

849
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 3: And I actually at first said, no, I'm not interested

850
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 3: in that. I'm a newspaper man. I'm a tough guy.

851
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 3: And Snick and I always had a relationship. I never

852
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 3: got into a fight with him once, never had to

853
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 3: disagree with him once. But he looked at me kind

854
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 3: of like the way a young older brother would look

855
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 3: at a younger brother, like you're being stupid, Like what

856
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 3: are you talking about? And because Mike had seen what

857
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 3: the news industry was looking like, he knew what my

858
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 3: situation looked like at the newspaper when Gannett had bought

859
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 3: the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and there's gonna be a merger

860
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 3: between the Prescazette and the JS and and who knows

861
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 3: what that could mean for jobs. And I ended up

862
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 3: reconsidering and I texted Ryan Hartwig. I texted Duke Bobber,

863
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 3: who's my direct boss, our our direct supervisor. And six

864
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 3: months later I got a job with the packers. And

865
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 3: I will never forget the look that Mike gave me

866
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 3: the day that I started here. And I love you Mike,

867
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 3: I appreciate everything you did for me. I'm so heartbroken

868
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 3: and sad for the people that know you even better

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Speaker 3: than I did. His wife, Shelley is wonderful wife. Shelley's

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Speaker 3: beautiful wife, Shelley, and everybody that he touched and everybody

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00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 3: that he did so much good with, And I will

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00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 3: forever cherish all the memories, the road trips, everything we

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00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 3: did and the bond that we formed. And the last

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Speaker 3: two days have been two of the rougher days that

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Speaker 3: I've had in a very long time. And what's kind

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Speaker 3: of getting me through it right now, spot is the

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Speaker 3: fact that there are so many good memories of things

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Speaker 3: that we did together and times that we shared, and

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Speaker 3: laughs and photos and and everything. So I appreciate the

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Speaker 3: packers and you and everybody given me an opportunity to

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Speaker 3: kind of express that, because Mike, for as long as

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Speaker 3: I live, buddy, I am going to be living for you.

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Speaker 3: I love you, and I am never ever ever going

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Speaker 3: to forget you, And I'm looking forward very someday have

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Speaker 3: a reconciliation with you there and be able to.

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Speaker 1: Meet up again. Yeah. Well I couldn't say it any better.

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Speaker 2: So I'm not gonna try, and with that we're going

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Speaker 2: to call it a rap on the edition of Packers

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Speaker 2: Unscripted and this season of Packers Unscripted. A thank you

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Speaker 2: to all of our viewers and listeners and everybody who

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Speaker 2: enjoys what we do here, and also a shout out

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Speaker 2: to our producer Zach. Thanks for hanging with us all season, buddy.

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Speaker 1: And as I said.

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Speaker 2: We will be back at some point before the draft,

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Speaker 2: which is in Green Bay in case you haven't been

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Speaker 2: paying attention, But until then, for Wes, I am Mike.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for tuning in everybody, and we will see

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Speaker 2: you next time.