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Speaker 1: Which team has the worst backup quarterbacks situation? We'll explore that.
Speaker 1: Coming up, we'll hear from Russell Westbrook after his introductory
Speaker 1: press conference with the Lakers. This in from Chris Mortenson,
Speaker 1: Jacob Eason, and Sam Ellinger competing for the backup role
Speaker 1: with the Colts. Yes, the backup role according to mart
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz trending to open the season as the starter,
Speaker 1: with All Pro guard Quintin Nelson on the same path
Speaker 1: after foot surgeries. The Colts open the season versus the Seahawks.
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Speaker 1: from the first hour and the results, do you want
Speaker 1: the NFL to enforce taunting more strictly? Sixty say no. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's coming back, whether you ask for it or not.
Speaker 1: The NFL wants to enforce this. They've been a little
Speaker 1: lax on this. In previous years, and I'm not sure
Speaker 1: what the point of emphasis is going to be. I
Speaker 1: don't think they're going to be narrowing this down to
Speaker 1: touchdown celebrations. It's just I think what happened in the
Speaker 1: super Bowl. There were a couple of moments in the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, including one with Tom Brady that the NFL
Speaker 1: probably didn't like playing out on worldwide TV. I loved
Speaker 1: it because it was passionate, it was in the moment.
Speaker 1: It was real, and that's what we love. Like reality
Speaker 1: shows aren't real, sports is real. It's happening. It's not scripted.
Speaker 1: Hard Knocks last night, part of that scripted. What happened
Speaker 1: in a football game the Super Bowl. You know, the
Speaker 1: quarterback and a defensive back going at it. That's what
Speaker 1: we love. It's real and it's rare to find that. Yeah, McLevin,
Speaker 1: there's one kind of celebrating I have a problem with.
Speaker 1: When you're losing by twenty five points and you get
Speaker 1: a first down and you do the arrow, or if
Speaker 1: you're a quarterback who's like, yes, I stopped this pas
Speaker 1: where you've been burrowed three times. Yeah, you should get
Speaker 1: a flag for that. When a franchise has a young,
Speaker 1: unproven quarterback. They can take one of two approaches. Either
Speaker 1: go all in make it known that you're going with
Speaker 1: the guy no matter what, like the Bengals did with
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, or you can bring in the experience backup
Speaker 1: who can step up if the team struggles. And right
Speaker 1: now it appears the Jets they don't have a safety
Speaker 1: net for Zach Wilson. The Eagles, i guess, are confident
Speaker 1: in Jalen Hurts at least for now. The Jags, of course,
Speaker 1: are building everything around Trevor Lawrence, but they have Gardner
Speaker 1: Minshew like they have a legitimate backup quarterback there. The
Speaker 1: Jets don't. But the thinking is, these guys got to
Speaker 1: learn at some point what's the point of bringing in
Speaker 1: Nick Foles or Ryan Fitzpatrick and going five hundred. And
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a scary proposition because I'll
Speaker 1: go back to there are a couple of really talented quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: You know, Tim Couch was the number one pick out
Speaker 1: of Kentucky, went to the Browns. But you get in
Speaker 1: there and then you start to build up bad habits,
Speaker 1: or you start to see what it feels like our
Speaker 1: fourteen defensive players on the field. You're not a good player,
Speaker 1: you're not gaining confidence. Derek Carr's brother David Carr. He's
Speaker 1: as athletic as I've ever seen, but look at what
Speaker 1: happened when he was with the Texans. He got sacked
Speaker 1: more often than any quarterback in history given the number
Speaker 1: of games that he played. Sam Darnold, I don't know
Speaker 1: how good he is because it was hard to tell
Speaker 1: when he was with the Jets. But the quarterbacks are
Speaker 1: going to struggle. We know that. The question is at
Speaker 1: what point do they learn the game? Does it slow
Speaker 1: down for them? Those are the things that I'm always
Speaker 1: watching for. You know, it happened Josh Allen in Buffalo.
Speaker 1: It looked like, and he would probably say this, the
Speaker 1: game was moving twice as fast as it did in college.
Speaker 1: And then for a while, you sort of know where
Speaker 1: that person's going to be. You know what that rush
Speaker 1: feels like. You know how long you have to get
Speaker 1: that ball out, you know the window of opportunity there.
Speaker 1: These are all things that you have to learn once
Speaker 1: you step onto the field. And we've seen this down
Speaker 1: through history. Where it used to be if you were
Speaker 1: drafted a high draft pick at that position, you sat
Speaker 1: Steve McNair famously sat for three years when he was
Speaker 1: drafted and then when he had his chance to play,
Speaker 1: he was a very good quarterback. But you know, look
Speaker 1: at Aaron Rodgers three years, Philip Rivers, like these guys
Speaker 1: would sit because that's how you learned back then. Now
Speaker 1: it feels like, given what you're running in college, the
Speaker 1: NFL is borrowing from colleges as far as what they
Speaker 1: do with their schemes, their formations. These players they've been
Speaker 1: running a pro system since they were in high school.
Speaker 1: They're ready to go. They know, you know what it
Speaker 1: is being in a shotgun. You know. The interesting part
Speaker 1: is a lot of them are not good under center
Speaker 1: because they didn't need to be under center. You were
Speaker 1: in shotgun for everything. You know, Patrick Mahomes sat for
Speaker 1: a year. You have these certain situations. Is Zach Wilson
Speaker 1: going to struggle? Yes, he's going to struggle, and he's
Speaker 1: going to struggle because he's with a team that's not
Speaker 1: very good and being a rookie quarterback. When Trey Lance
Speaker 1: gets in there, he'll probably struggle, but he's on a
Speaker 1: better team. He has a chance. They can kind of
Speaker 1: smooth smooth over his rough edges there. I mean, Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott came in. They had the best line in football.
Speaker 1: You had a really good running back, give you a
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred yards, You had an owner who was offensive minded,
Speaker 1: offensive driven, and Dak looked a lot better than he
Speaker 1: probably was. Russell Wilson went into Seattle, had a good offense,
Speaker 1: not great, and they didn't need to score a lot
Speaker 1: of points because you had the best defense in football.
Speaker 1: So you can look at the success of a quarterback.
Speaker 1: And I've brought this up before, and it's not a
Speaker 1: knock on Patrick Mahomes. It's just we tend to look
Speaker 1: at quarterbacks and say, boy, that guy's not any good.
Speaker 1: What is the situation? How many offensive coordinators have you had,
Speaker 1: how many coaches have you had? Have they gotten free agents?
Speaker 1: How do you do in the draft? You know, if
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes played for the Cincinnati Bengals the last couple
Speaker 1: of years, he would not be making fifty million dollars
Speaker 1: a year. We would look at him and go, and
Speaker 1: he's talented, but they're not a good team he's with.
Speaker 1: If I put some of these other quarterbacks on Kansas City,
Speaker 1: they'll lead Kansas City to the super Bowl. But given
Speaker 1: their current state in their teams that they play on,
Speaker 1: they're not going to have any chance. And you can
Speaker 1: see the confidence level. Patrick Mahomes has as much confidence
Speaker 1: as anybody except for maybe Aaron Rodgers, and he should
Speaker 1: because he's a wonderful talent. But when you go out
Speaker 1: there and you know, offensive minded head coach. We got
Speaker 1: maybe the best tight end in football history, I got
Speaker 1: a game changer in Tyreek Hill, and got a defense
Speaker 1: that's been opportunistic, and I have had a pretty good
Speaker 1: offensive line. Why wouldn't you be confident going out there?
Speaker 1: Tom Brady's confidence. Offensive line was good, solid, he had
Speaker 1: a lot of weapons there, you had a great defense.
Speaker 1: You watched Carson Wentz last year in Philadelphia. He had
Speaker 1: no confidence. Why because his offensive line wasn't good, his
Speaker 1: team wasn't very good, and he was trying to do
Speaker 1: too much. That's what happens to that position. Your confidence
Speaker 1: can come and go. You know Peyton Manning when he
Speaker 1: first started out, John Elway when he first started out,
Speaker 1: Joe Montana didn't start like Dan Marino was, you know,
Speaker 1: an aberration. It's like you're coming in and you're a
Speaker 1: plan and he's having an impact, right away. It just
Speaker 1: didn't happen back then. Steve Young waited to have an
Speaker 1: impact when he was thirty. Jim Kelly played in the
Speaker 1: USFL and then came to the Buffalo Bills. That's why
Speaker 1: it's so hard to find your quarterback like Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: doesn't miss any games. Came in and said hey, I'm
Speaker 1: your starter here, and they haven't looked back likes. That's
Speaker 1: why it's tricky when you try to handicap and you
Speaker 1: say that guy's going to be good, and that guy's
Speaker 1: not going to be good. Trey Lance, I don't know,
Speaker 1: loved when we had him on. Seemed like a great kid.
Speaker 1: He's got a lot of talent. You're with Kyle Shanahan,
Speaker 1: an offensive minded head coach. You have a good offensive line,
Speaker 1: you got a running game, you got a great tight end.
Speaker 1: He should succeed absolutely, justin fields in Chicago. You get
Speaker 1: into those situations or get into an organization, you have weapons,
Speaker 1: What do they expect from you? Mac Jones New England,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Hey he's got Belichick there, Okay are
Speaker 1: they what's their offense? They're gonna open it up. So
Speaker 1: sometimes that coach, sometimes the personnel sometimes just the dread
Speaker 1: of playing in that organization. I mean, can you imagine
Speaker 1: playing for the Texans right now? Any of these quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: I don't care who it is. Put him in there
Speaker 1: with the Texans and tell me what kind of magic
Speaker 1: you create. Trevor Lawrence with Jacksonville, you know, urban Meyer
Speaker 1: is not going, Hey, this is a three year, five
Speaker 1: year this is now. I want to win now. Okay,
Speaker 1: what do we expect out of Trevor Lawrence? A lot?
Speaker 1: And we should And we're gonna expect a lot out
Speaker 1: of Zach Wilson and should we Yeah, he's supposed to
Speaker 1: be great. He Patrick Mahomes esque with some of his throws. Okay,
Speaker 1: well let me let me see it. Jet's got some talent.
Speaker 1: Let me see what you can do. Got a rookie
Speaker 1: head coach. So there's a lot at stake, a lot
Speaker 1: of play when it comes to trying to handicap these quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: And if you don't have a backup quote, how the
Speaker 1: Jets don't have a backup quarterback who is a seasoned veteran,
Speaker 1: to me is idiotic, absolutely mind boggling that you don't
Speaker 1: have somebody who has played the game and played it
Speaker 1: at a high level might be a thirty three thirty
Speaker 1: four year old veteran who can at least help this
Speaker 1: kid because he is a kid. He looks like he's
Speaker 1: a kid playing somebody who was drafted by the Jets.
Speaker 1: He looks like he's right out of a Disney movie.
Speaker 1: He's gonna need a lot of help, and their backup
Speaker 1: quarterback situation is not very good. The Jets backup quarterbacks
Speaker 1: In case you were wondering, let's see, of course it's
Speaker 1: James Morgan and Mike White. Yes, that's who you would
Speaker 1: exept the James Morgan, yes, m v Mike White. Yes, yeah, Paul.
Speaker 1: Do you think we think Zach Wilson is younger than
Speaker 1: he is because he looks so young because he's twenty two.
Speaker 1: I thought he was like twenty twenty one years old.
Speaker 1: He's actually older than Trevor Lawrence by a few months,
Speaker 1: and he's the same age as Justin Fields. He looks
Speaker 1: so young and fragile, even though he's probably a big dude.
Speaker 1: In your mind, you think, wow, that's so young. He
Speaker 1: just got the BYU. But not everybody's going to be successful.
Speaker 1: That just that's there's always one or two quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: each draft where you go. I don't know, And Zach
Speaker 1: Wilson's that guy like I just don't know. Trevor I
Speaker 1: think will be successful like I would be. I'd be
Speaker 1: more surprised if Trevor didn't work out than Zack Wilson.
Speaker 1: Mac Jones is just a curiosity right now. Like I
Speaker 1: get nervous with the one year wonder, Zach Wilson one
Speaker 1: year wonder, Mac Jones one year wonder two got injured.
Speaker 1: I'm still not sure about him. Yeah, mccluban, Well, what
Speaker 1: about the Bears factor? I hate to say it, but
Speaker 1: can anybody be a good quarterback in that uniform? It's
Speaker 1: a hard At some point, somebody has to be good there, right,
Speaker 1: Like the Lions have to eventually be good one day?
Speaker 1: Right at some point? Yes time another Jets? Are they
Speaker 1: over under eight and a half or six and a half.
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to figure that out. There's a little
Speaker 1: callback from yesterday. No, I know, there's a very little
Speaker 1: callback from yesterday over under the jet. No. No, eventually
Speaker 1: it's okay, Yeah, don't don't you worry about a time?
Speaker 1: All right? Uh Russell Westbrook was introduced yesterday and UH
Speaker 1: had a couple of things to say, and you know,
Speaker 1: maybe I'll say this because we're gonna we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: to Pro Football Focus and talk to them about the
Speaker 1: worst backup quarterback situations that'll be coming up here. Trying
Speaker 1: to think if there was anything else that we were
Speaker 1: going to mention. Am I missing anything here, Paul? I
Speaker 1: don't think So we're gonna stay with that poll question.
Speaker 1: All the college football rankings came out Alabama, Clemson, Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: Ohio State, Georgia. No surprise there, but college football feels
Speaker 1: like it's the least surprising sport that we have, certainly
Speaker 1: when it comes to the preseason. Here are the names,
Speaker 1: the blue bloods. They're back again. But I think there's
Speaker 1: six teams from the SEC in the top twenty five,
Speaker 1: including ole Miss at number twenty five. Yeah, mclo, look
Speaker 1: at who Alabama's put into the pros in the last
Speaker 1: two years. They've had two first round quarterbacks, go at
Speaker 1: about four first round receivers. Well, this is what Lane
Speaker 1: Kiffin had to say the other day when we talked
Speaker 1: to him, and he's like, Hey, you know, Nick used
Speaker 1: to get great running backs and great defensive players. Then
Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin goes in there and Steve Sarkisian and they
Speaker 1: open up the playbook. And now, as Lane says, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not fair. Now you're getting the top quarterback and
Speaker 1: you're getting you know, the top y receivers. I mean
Speaker 1: they've had four wide receivers drafted number one, you know,
Speaker 1: first round draft picks in the last two years. Club.
Speaker 1: I think they have the top guy this year. John
Speaker 1: Mechi I just saw a mock draft. He was like twelve.
Speaker 1: Now it's not fair because you know Saban, it was like,
Speaker 1: do I want to go to a place where they
Speaker 1: play defense and run the football? Now it's hey, come
Speaker 1: on in, we throw the football. We might give up,
Speaker 1: you know, thirty five points, but we're going to score fifty.
Speaker 1: Come on in. He wants to play here, club and
Speaker 1: you make a million dollars, right or whatever. Saban was saying,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, your name, image and likeness. All right, we'll
Speaker 1: take a break the worst backup quarterback situation. We'll have
Speaker 1: that for you. Coming up. We'll hear from Russell Westbrook
Speaker 1: and Tara Owens on whether or not Tony Romo should
Speaker 1: be in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, we asked the
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Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus talking about backup quarterbacks, tarall Owens, somebody
Speaker 1: must have heard our show a couple of days ago,
Speaker 1: because we were asked if Tony Romo was a Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer. Tarall Owens had this to say on the
Speaker 1: Odd Couple on Fox Sports Radio. Tony Romola, he was,
Speaker 1: You enjoy your time playing with him. He's up for
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame next year, Robin. I give him props.
Speaker 1: He was very good, but we don't think he's a
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. Where are you adding on a Romo
Speaker 1: for the Hall nobly? I probably agree. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm gonna give it to you real, I mean,
Speaker 1: not just because he's my teammate, you're gonna assess his
Speaker 1: body of work. Yep, you're gonna assess it and really evaluate,
Speaker 1: really to class that he's going in with versus some
Speaker 1: of the quarterbacks that are on the list or elisible
Speaker 1: to get in at the same time. So obviously had
Speaker 1: you know, sell a career there in Dallas. But is
Speaker 1: it worthy? Is it Hall of Fame worthy? That's not
Speaker 1: for me to decide. Obviously, he was very very popular
Speaker 1: with the media there. We know, you know how I
Speaker 1: am and my thought process on you know, the process
Speaker 1: in which you know, guys are being nominated, who does
Speaker 1: and who does the nominating and that's that's mostly the
Speaker 1: sports writers and so you know, obviously I'm sure he
Speaker 1: had a better rapport with the media than I did,
Speaker 1: so that may factor into him, you know, making it
Speaker 1: or not right. That's Terrell Owens, I think answering the question,
Speaker 1: I think he said no. But likability does play a
Speaker 1: role there. But that's courtesy of the odd couple. On
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio, Steve Palezzolo, pro football focused senior analyst
Speaker 1: who joins us, do you think Tony Romo has any
Speaker 1: chance to get a Hall of Fame induction? I think
Speaker 1: there's a chance, I would probably lean. Know, though, I
Speaker 1: think Romo probably lands in the proverbial hall of the
Speaker 1: very good. And I do think because postseason moments do
Speaker 1: matter so much, the fact that Eli is even being considered,
Speaker 1: I think that's going to end up working against Romo
Speaker 1: because he just doesn't have it. Who do you think
Speaker 1: was a better quarterback? Eli ar Romo? I mean, I
Speaker 1: think throw for throw, Romo was a better quarterback. I
Speaker 1: do think that the postseason moments do matter, and they
Speaker 1: certainly will matter with the voters, but throw for throw,
Speaker 1: you know, if you're just evaluating how well they played, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Romo I think was better from from start to finish
Speaker 1: more than Eli. Eli had some high peaks though that
Speaker 1: were really really good, including the Super Bowl runs. But
Speaker 1: do we over state overestimate playoff success like that? That
Speaker 1: seems to be that that can decide whether you're in
Speaker 1: or not. But you know, do we not give as
Speaker 1: much importance to the regular season with some of these quarterbacks? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think the postseason stuff does matter, though,
Speaker 1: I mean, we're talking about the most important position at sports,
Speaker 1: and even everything we do at PF, this quantifying and
Speaker 1: all that stuff and even I'll acknowledge there's something, there's
Speaker 1: something else when it comes to the postseas, there's something
Speaker 1: else that like separates Tom Brady and separates guys that
Speaker 1: do execute the way they do in the postseason. So
Speaker 1: maybe we overrated a little bit, but that's what where
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers and Tony Romo and those guys are going
Speaker 1: to end up probably losing out a little bit. Well,
Speaker 1: So you don't think Philip Rivers would go into the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. The more I thought about it, I
Speaker 1: was thinking no. I mean, I really think I've got
Speaker 1: this like top five in my head, right, top five
Speaker 1: of your era, and if you're in that, you know,
Speaker 1: top four or five, it feels like you should you
Speaker 1: should be in the Hall of Fame. Rivers top eight
Speaker 1: type of guy. Matt Ryan, top eight type of guy.
Speaker 1: Eli honestly outside of the top eight or ten even
Speaker 1: in his eras Romo is probably a top eight guy
Speaker 1: in his era. So to me, they're just on the
Speaker 1: outside looking in. Can you get into the Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame now as a quarterback without a Super Bowl appearance? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think you can. Appearance would be tough without an appearance,
Speaker 1: because I'm thinking Marino at least made it to the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. But everybody watch Marino and said, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is the best quarterback in the league for a big
Speaker 1: chunk of his career. So I mean, technically you can,
Speaker 1: but it's going to be it's gonna be really difficult
Speaker 1: because the best quarterbacks usually at least make it to
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl and usually at least win at least
Speaker 1: one of them. We reached out to you with the
Speaker 1: best and worst backup quarterback situations here. Given the news
Speaker 1: with the Colts, out looks like Carson Wentz is on
Speaker 1: course to start Week one for the Colts against the Seahawks.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if that changes your backup quarterback
Speaker 1: situation or not there, but let's start with the good
Speaker 1: backup quarterback situations right now. Yeah, So I look at
Speaker 1: teams that have guys that I would consider, you know,
Speaker 1: low end starters that are sitting there as backup. So
Speaker 1: the Raiders have Marcus Mariota. You know, if Marcus Mariota,
Speaker 1: he's not great, he didn't become that franchise quarterback that
Speaker 1: everybody maybe was hoping. But Mariota's the best backup in
Speaker 1: the NFL right now. We might not see a massive
Speaker 1: drop off of dark car got hurt. I think Chase
Speaker 1: Tenham with the Browns, a guy that could come in
Speaker 1: if Baker Mayfield got hurt, could come in run that offense,
Speaker 1: especially with the way Kevin Stefanski calls plays. And and
Speaker 1: you have to highlight Tamos down in New Orleans, right,
Speaker 1: Whoever loses in the Taysom Hill Jamis Winston battle there,
Speaker 1: the other guy becomes one of the better backups in
Speaker 1: the entire league. So I think the Saints might not
Speaker 1: know who their starter is, but they'll at least know
Speaker 1: that they've got the best backups. Wait, so they have
Speaker 1: two high end backups. Yeah, but low end starters. That's right. Okay,
Speaker 1: the question was best backup? So the Saints win in
Speaker 1: that game? How about I? Also, I have faith that
Speaker 1: Jamis could be a pretty good starter. Still, if I
Speaker 1: give you Carson Wentz or you can have Tamis together,
Speaker 1: who would you take? Oh Man, I would probably lean
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz, and that's because I do think he'll bounce
Speaker 1: back from from last year's disaster. But but Tamos Is.
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting, you can run, you run the
Speaker 1: ball with Taysom and I have a ton of faith
Speaker 1: in Jamis, but he needs better playmakers than what they
Speaker 1: have down in New Orleans fans with Jacobe perscente. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I look at Brissette again, a guy that Chris
Speaker 1: Ballard was essentially in Indianapolis dealing with Jacoby Brissette. He
Speaker 1: was kind of forced into the starting lineup twice in
Speaker 1: his career. I don't think Jacoby Brisset's a guy you
Speaker 1: want as a starter, But if you need to win
Speaker 1: four or five games, I think Brossetts, you know, a
Speaker 1: good solid option. So Miami, you know, could be good
Speaker 1: there with percent as their backup. All right, the bad
Speaker 1: backup quarterback situation. So I'm gonna start with the teams
Speaker 1: that have two of the elite quarterbacks. You've got Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes in Kansas City and Russell Wilson in Seattle. So
Speaker 1: if Chad Henny had to take over in Kansas City,
Speaker 1: he did that in the playoffs last year, had a
Speaker 1: couple of good throws, but some disastrous ones almost through
Speaker 1: the game away. I don't have a ton of faith
Speaker 1: in Chad Henny take it over in Kansas City. And
Speaker 1: then Gino Smith right now, the top backup in Seattle.
Speaker 1: I think that that offense completely changes if it goes
Speaker 1: from Russ to Gino Smith. I also think the Ravens
Speaker 1: have a massive question mark trace McSorley Tyler Huntley as
Speaker 1: the backups. They've both shown flashes, but again, I think
Speaker 1: the drop off from a Lamar Jackson to whoever the
Speaker 1: Ravens would trot out there likely McSorley, I think, would
Speaker 1: be tough for the Ravens. What do you think about
Speaker 1: the Cowboys situation? So Garrett Gilbert right now the top backup.
Speaker 1: We just saw the Hall of Fame game, wasn't It
Speaker 1: wasn't the prettiest thing the other night, whether whether it's
Speaker 1: Garrett Gilbert or Ben Denucci. So Gilbert again had some
Speaker 1: flashes against the Steelers a couple of years ago against
Speaker 1: the really good defense. But yeah, the drop off it
Speaker 1: will be steeper than what they had last year. Andy
Speaker 1: Dalton is one of the better backups in the league
Speaker 1: if Justin Fields takes over. But yeah, the Cowboys having
Speaker 1: just Garrett Gilbert right now would be a big question mark.
Speaker 1: I can't understand what the Jets are doing, And granted
Speaker 1: I've said that quite a few times in my career.
Speaker 1: But you have James Morgan and Mike White behind a
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback. This is crying out for a Nick Foles
Speaker 1: or an Andy Dalton, where you have that experienced person,
Speaker 1: a case Keenum, somebody who has experience, who's non threatening
Speaker 1: to that quarterback, who can help them with you know,
Speaker 1: the nuance of playing that position. Yeah, I completely agree.
Speaker 1: I think the Jets have made a lot of really
Speaker 1: smart moves, but the quarterback room is definitely a questionable one.
Speaker 1: Maybe they just grabbed Josh McCown back from from television, right,
Speaker 1: just bring him back. It's as as that guy that's
Speaker 1: in the QP room all the time. But I think
Speaker 1: it's a really good point. You know, Zach Wilson needs
Speaker 1: to learn. James Morgan's never taken a snap. Mike White
Speaker 1: hasn't played well in his preseason action. So Jets are
Speaker 1: making a lot of smart moves, but could definitely use
Speaker 1: a veteran back up there. I'm gonna throw out some
Speaker 1: numbers here with Romo and Eli losing seasons as his starter.
Speaker 1: Romo zero, Eli five seasons throwing more than fifteen interceptions,
Speaker 1: Romo two, Eli eight career completion percentage Romo sixty five,
Speaker 1: Eli sixty Yeah, I mean Romo was a better quarterback,
Speaker 1: you know. So the tricky part here, and I think
Speaker 1: a healthy internal debate if you were running an NFL
Speaker 1: team would be would you actually want the Giants run?
Speaker 1: Would you actually take that? Or would you want the
Speaker 1: Cowboys run? Would you want a quarterback who is a
Speaker 1: volatile And I use volatile in the terms of you
Speaker 1: could be great or he could be terrible. That was Eli, right, volatility.
Speaker 1: But the Peaks are so good twenty eleven. Eli was
Speaker 1: so good that they won a Super Bowl and he
Speaker 1: carried them. It wasn't like, oh seven, he carried them
Speaker 1: in two eleven. Do you want those peaks? Do you
Speaker 1: want those two super Bowls but a bunch of years
Speaker 1: where you don't make the playoffs? Or do you want to,
Speaker 1: you know, get it on the green every single year
Speaker 1: like the Cowboys did with Tony Romo and just kind
Speaker 1: of see what happens. I think it's a it's an
Speaker 1: honest question that doesn't have a great answer, and I
Speaker 1: think depending on your perspective, like, yeah, give me the
Speaker 1: two championships like Eli brought us, versus give me the
Speaker 1: consistency that Romo brought us, but we never got, you know,
Speaker 1: to the championship games. I think it's an honest and
Speaker 1: fair question, but yeah, Romo throw for throw again, was
Speaker 1: definitely a better quarterback than Eli Manning. Good to talk
Speaker 1: to you again, Steve, thanks for joining us as always,
Speaker 1: you got it, Thanks Dan, Steve Bounzolo, Pro Football Focus
Speaker 1: Senior analyst, host of Pro Football Focus NFL podcast. We
Speaker 1: should compare their playoff stats, oh, Romo and Eli to
Speaker 1: look at? Okay? Um, yeah, those two Super bowls and
Speaker 1: you beat the Patriots, You beat the Patriots when the
Speaker 1: Patriots were undefeated, You beat Tom Brady, you beat Bell Belichick.
Speaker 1: You know that goes a long way. Yeah, McLevin. For
Speaker 1: some reason, Tony Romo's stats feel a little like empty
Speaker 1: calories to me because but I don't know, I'd have
Speaker 1: to look at it. But like, that was a big
Speaker 1: offense and had a lot going on where Elis and
Speaker 1: the Giants was a much smaller offense where he wasn't
Speaker 1: asked to do his much, no, and he had a
Speaker 1: great defense. I mean they won the pressure they put
Speaker 1: on Brady, that's why they won the Super Bowl. Eli
Speaker 1: had a couple of throws and that's all you needed.
Speaker 1: But without that defense, he has to make more throws
Speaker 1: because he's going to be behind by a couple of touchdowns.
Speaker 1: They kept it close, and Eli made a couple of
Speaker 1: very very good throws. He's going into the whole of thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: m clob how much is it is his last name? Well?
Speaker 1: I think it helps. But then did we expect more
Speaker 1: out of Eli? I remember when Eli came in and
Speaker 1: I was told by a scout he's got more talent
Speaker 1: than Peyton does. Whether that was true or not, but
Speaker 1: I you know, winning is super Bowl, beating the Patriots
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what your last name is. So you, I
Speaker 1: mean you can. He did throw for you know what,
Speaker 1: three hundred touchdowns. He did throw a lot of interceptions.
Speaker 1: I just never thought that he was great. I thought
Speaker 1: that he was opportunistic. He was always a A B plus,
Speaker 1: B B minus. Never felt like when you said, boy
Speaker 1: that that's an elite. You can't spell elite without Eli,
Speaker 1: of course, but thank you, Paulie, Jess mc glove. Who's
Speaker 1: better Eli Manning or Phil Simmons, Like, who's got a
Speaker 1: stronger legacy? Um? Eli, it's really you say it's a
Speaker 1: second Super Bowl that if Simms did not yes, yes,
Speaker 1: if he beats the Bills, the high powered Buffalo Bills offense,
Speaker 1: then he would be he, in my opinion, be in
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. He's in the media. Uh. They always
Speaker 1: they tend to fawn over, you know, athletes who are
Speaker 1: in the media. And I think Phil Simms would be
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. I think it's that close
Speaker 1: for Phil Simms. Let's see Cody in Ohio. Hi, Cody,
Speaker 1: what's on your mind today? Hey? Dan, Um, Bengals came
Speaker 1: out with new jerseys and I just wanted to know
Speaker 1: what Bengal you would invest a future then? And also, um,
Speaker 1: do you remember a Charlie Ballman that played for Cleanson
Speaker 1: backed around the late seventies. Yeah, with whatdy Hayes they
Speaker 1: what he punched him on the sidelines in a bowl Gables.
Speaker 1: I work for Charlie in Westchester. Oh nice, Okay, Well
Speaker 1: tell him, tell Charlie we set alone and I hope
Speaker 1: he's doing Okay. I think his number was fifty eight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he was a nose tackle, but he had a
Speaker 1: linebacker number, I think, yeah, I just remember I think
Speaker 1: he had an interception rand of the sidelines got tackled
Speaker 1: and then Woody Hayes punched him. The Ohio State head
Speaker 1: coach Charlie Charlie Bowman. If I'm investing in anybody with
Speaker 1: the Bengals, I would say Joe Burrow. I guess right.
Speaker 1: Here's the playoffs. Eli eight and four, eighteen touchdowns, nine interceptions,
Speaker 1: quarterback rating eighty seven point four. Romo two and four,
Speaker 1: eight touchdowns, two picks, quarterback rating ninety three point zero.
Speaker 1: But when you think of Romo, don't you think of
Speaker 1: the Seattle game with the he's holding on the field
Speaker 1: goal and the snap is botched, and then he runs
Speaker 1: and you think he's getting into the end zone and
Speaker 1: he gets stopped short. Yeah. I don't remember much about
Speaker 1: Romo in the playoffs. I certainly do with Eli. Yeah,
Speaker 1: mcleve or that Dez Bryant catch, don catch too, don't
Speaker 1: get me started on that it's a catch. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think though Romo, if he even had one Super Bowl
Speaker 1: appearance or a little bit more success or, it would
Speaker 1: have lasted two or three years longer. He gets in
Speaker 1: because he had a likable story. He came from nowhere,
Speaker 1: eastern Illinois. He was came Remember that when they brought
Speaker 1: him in. He sat on the Cowboys bench until he's
Speaker 1: twenty six. He was third string on the Cowboys bench.
Speaker 1: He had a good story, and then he retired just
Speaker 1: a touch early. Yeah, he had the back injury, and
Speaker 1: you know because of that, you know, I mean, Dak
Speaker 1: wouldn't have played, you know, because Tony was still going
Speaker 1: to be able to play and they had just signed him,
Speaker 1: i think, to a long term contract and sort for
Speaker 1: the back injury, and then Dak Prescott got a chance
Speaker 1: behind a team that was a playoff caliber team. Eight
Speaker 1: seven seven three d P Show Email Andrew stp at
Speaker 1: Dan Patrick dot Com. Marco and Arizona's back. Hey, Marco,
Speaker 1: what's on your mind? Good morning, Dan Patrick Show from
Speaker 1: Dan Nation. On Tony Romo. I agree he does not
Speaker 1: belong in there. I'm a long time Jerry Jones hostage
Speaker 1: Dan and Um, yeah, you're right, PAULI. His career is
Speaker 1: pretty fascinating. He was he was picked up because he
Speaker 1: was Carson Plumer's throwing warm up partner at the Combine
Speaker 1: and he was noticed by none other than Sean Payton.
Speaker 1: And the rest is Romo history. But yeah, he was
Speaker 1: a Cinderella story that never he never never won the
Speaker 1: chance to progress into the playoffs. Like like you guys
Speaker 1: always mentioned it. Just it's going to keep him out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so too. But somebody brought it up. One
Speaker 1: of our listeners brought up if Romo was a Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer. You know the answers. No, I mean, if
Speaker 1: he's going into the Hall of Fame, it'll be as
Speaker 1: a broadcaster, but not as a quarterback. Arnold in Pennsylvania, Hey, Arnold,
Speaker 1: what's on your mind? Good morning, Dan six four two
Speaker 1: o nine. I wanted to weigh in as as a
Speaker 1: Giants fan, I think it's a no brainer. I love
Speaker 1: the discussion in the comparison between Romo consistently being a
Speaker 1: bridesmaid with the Cowboys and Eli peaking in two thousand
Speaker 1: and seven and twenty eleven. As a Giants fan, the
Speaker 1: most popular professional sport by far being the NFL, I
Speaker 1: could put up with the subpar years with having two
Speaker 1: Super Bowl titles in the twenty first century. I think
Speaker 1: most Giants fans would agree with me. Oh, I think,
Speaker 1: and so would Cowboy fans. It's like, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: we can have a steady run here. Thanks for the
Speaker 1: phone call, Arnold, But you know, it's like the Florida Marlins.
Speaker 1: They won a couple of World Series titles, but it
Speaker 1: was like five years and then they would rebuild, dismantle, rebuild,
Speaker 1: and then five years later they'd win another World Series.
Speaker 1: Would you take that? Would you take the losing four
Speaker 1: years where you're not relevant if it meant and maybe
Speaker 1: not every five years, but let's say every seven years
Speaker 1: your team is playing for a championship, but in those
Speaker 1: other years you're not. You're not even close. Here's something
Speaker 1: for you. How many quarterbacks in the history of the
Speaker 1: NFL have the following They've thrown for at least thirty
Speaker 1: four thousand career yards, more than two hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: passing touchdowns, and less than one hundred and twenty interceptions.
Speaker 1: So thirty four thousand career yards, they have two hundred
Speaker 1: and forty passing touchdowns at least and less than one
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty interceptions. There's only two. One is Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers and the other is Tony Romo. Stat of the day,
Speaker 1: stat of the day. But stat of the day, stat
Speaker 1: of the day here comes that what stat of the day.
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers can probably name every one of his interceptions
Speaker 1: I'd be curious if somebody ask him that, do you
Speaker 1: know who has intercepted you? I'm he's thrown eighty nine.
Speaker 1: It's like Phil Rivers name of his kids. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: Rogers might be able to name his interceptions over Rivers
Speaker 1: with his kids. You know, Rogers has thrown fifty one
Speaker 1: thousand yards, four hundred and twelve touchdowns, eighty nine interceptions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. I mean, you're you're looking at what a
Speaker 1: five to one over four to one ratio here for
Speaker 1: touchdowns interceptions. Although I did hear this criticism a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago by an NFL scout. Yeah, but you know,
Speaker 1: he throws, so he doesn't have interceptions. He'll he'll throw
Speaker 1: a ball away and I'm like, yeah, but why don't
Speaker 1: other quarterbacks do this? Yeah, he's trying to protect his stats.
Speaker 1: How's he protecting his stats? He's thrown four hundred touchdowns
Speaker 1: and eighty nine interceptions. Shouldn't all these quarterbacks aspire to
Speaker 1: do that? Like, hey, let me throw this one away? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Seton Tony Romo has seasons where he threw for almost
Speaker 1: five thousand yards, which is good, and they went eight
Speaker 1: and eight. It's the year that he threw for forty
Speaker 1: two hundred yards. They went eight and eight. Yeah, Paul,
Speaker 1: here's one other than Eli mannings two Super Bowl runs.
Speaker 1: He never won another playoff game. The Giants never advanced
Speaker 1: past the first round the playoffs. All of those other
Speaker 1: years worn O four and O poe and four. That's it.
Speaker 1: We had two great runs. Would you take that? Sure
Speaker 1: from your quarterback? But that's so, that's how many years?
Speaker 1: Well he lost his job to Kurt Warner, or Kurt
Speaker 1: Warner lost his job to Eli or like Eli led
Speaker 1: the Giants to the playoffs six total times, and they
Speaker 1: lost in the first round. Every other one except for
Speaker 1: the two Superol runs. Didn't. Ben McAdoo eventually bench Eli
Speaker 1: for I want to say, Gino Smith, is that possible? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's to be the worst decision in the history of coaching.
Speaker 1: You got fired like three weeks later. I know it's
Speaker 1: like you're gonna put in Geno Smith? Like how out
Speaker 1: of touch are you? This is Eli's last year? Is
Speaker 1: swan song? Leave him out there? Who cares? All right,
Speaker 1: we'll take a break. Well here from Russell Lesbrook Junior.
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Speaker 1: This is hate read our buddy Jamie Joston none of
Speaker 1: the stat of the Day. We haven't played his stat
Speaker 1: of the Day in a while. We kind of use
Speaker 1: it differently than the Ron Burgundy one. Why is that?
Speaker 1: Because the Ron Burgundy one is a good exclamation point.
Speaker 1: The Josta lun is sort of a good setup. That's
Speaker 1: the way that I figure it. Well, let's hear Jamie
Speaker 1: Johns too. This is stat of the day. Salvador Perez
Speaker 1: entered the league in twenty eleven. No players hit more
Speaker 1: home runs while playing catcher. One hundred and fifty eight
Speaker 1: of his one hundred and eighty one career homers have
Speaker 1: come while Perez was behind the plate at your stat
Speaker 1: of the day on this Wednesday Hour two Dan Patrick show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like riding a bike. Yeah, like more phone calls. Everybody's
Speaker 1: fired up on the Cowboys and Romo versus Eli. I
Speaker 1: don't even know how we started on this, mclovin. Can
Speaker 1: we switch the Paul up to I like the question
Speaker 1: who is a better QB? Not who's going to get
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame, but who's a better assure? Sure,
Speaker 1: I'm curious where people go. Isn't it funny that I
Speaker 1: think Romo's gonna win this pole? But Eli it's gonna
Speaker 1: be the Hall of Famer? Yeah, all right, let me
Speaker 1: let me play Russell Westbrook Junior the third He was
Speaker 1: introduced to the Los Angeles media, and he had this
Speaker 1: to say about working with Lebron James. As you know,
Speaker 1: bronis one of the best players to play this game,
Speaker 1: and he's his ability to be able to kind of
Speaker 1: do everything on the for allows me to be able
Speaker 1: to just figure it out. I'm coming to a championship
Speaker 1: caliber team and my job is to make sure that
Speaker 1: I'm able to make his game easy for him. But
Speaker 1: I'll find ways to do that throughout the game as
Speaker 1: it pertains the ball handling and all that, and it
Speaker 1: really doesn't matter. There's many different ways you can impact
Speaker 1: the game without having the ball in your hands, and
Speaker 1: I've been able to do that for many years, and um,
Speaker 1: I will figure it out right. Russell Westbrook talked about
Speaker 1: finding success with Anthony, David sh and Lebron. I've been
Speaker 1: blessed to be able to going to my fourteen season,
Speaker 1: and each year I try to find ways to be
Speaker 1: able to uplift and make my teammates better around me.
Speaker 1: When A D and Brown are friends of mins first
Speaker 1: and me being a teammate, my job is to come
Speaker 1: in and uplift him and they'll do the same with
Speaker 1: me vice versa. And as a season prolonged, we will
Speaker 1: figure it out. There will be ups there would be downs,
Speaker 1: and that's that's normal, that's okay, But we will figure
Speaker 1: out how to play the best way that we want
Speaker 1: to play that to be able to win a championship.
Speaker 1: He said he has nothing to prove. All right, I
Speaker 1: would think you do, but maybe he doesn't feel like that.
Speaker 1: Knows he's going to be a Hall of Famer man,
Speaker 1: he's made his money. I would think winning a championship
Speaker 1: that'd be something to prove. Neian McLellan, I have a
Speaker 1: criticism of that takes he had. He was with Katie
Speaker 1: and he was with Harden, and he neither of those
Speaker 1: guys figured it out with him. So why is he
Speaker 1: could have figured out this time? Well, four teams in
Speaker 1: four years that there's a reason for that. Does he
Speaker 1: make does he make everybody better? I think he's fascinating.
Speaker 1: He's a one man gang, a one man stat book.
Speaker 1: But I don't think he makes others better. This is
Speaker 1: the challenge. That's what he has to prove, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: prove that you can make others better, and not just
Speaker 1: at the benefit of your stats. This is about winning.
Speaker 1: This isn't about I average a triple double. This will
Speaker 1: be about Russ playing every game in the regular season,
Speaker 1: taking the workload off Lebron. Hope. It all comes down
Speaker 1: to Anthony Davis. That's it. If Russ and Lebron play
Speaker 1: like we think they will, and Anthony Davis is healthy,
Speaker 1: then they're gonna play for a championship. It's that simple.
Speaker 1: You got role players, You're gonna need them at some
Speaker 1: point during the season postseason. But if those three, if
Speaker 1: they're healthy and they play, and they play at the
Speaker 1: level we expect, then they're going to play for a championship.
Speaker 1: But if Ad is not you know, penciled in to
Speaker 1: play you know, sixty five games here, seventy games, or
Speaker 1: he's you know, limping going into the playoffs, then there's
Speaker 1: a real concern obviously. That's all it comes down to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Pa Westbrook played in Oklahoma City, Houston, Washington. Do you
Speaker 1: think he I know, he knows the league and he's
Speaker 1: played in LA and grew up in LA. Do you
Speaker 1: think he knows what he's in for? The day to
Speaker 1: day coverage of the Lakers locally and nationally, the judgment
Speaker 1: from night to night, quarter at a quarter that's about
Speaker 1: to happen to him that he hasn't had in his career.
Speaker 1: He doesn't strike me as somebody who cares or he's
Speaker 1: really good with blinders on. Yeah. See, he's got a
Speaker 1: bunch of dudes on the team now to take some
Speaker 1: of that heat off him too. Yeah, but the focus
Speaker 1: is gonna be on him. It's not going to be
Speaker 1: on Malik Monk or Kent Baysmore. You know, these are
Speaker 1: the new players on there. It's gonna be all right, Russ,
Speaker 1: Let's see what you got here. You know, I was
Speaker 1: thinking more like Lebron and Ad and Carmelo Anthony. I
Speaker 1: don't know if they're gonna take heat because the Laker fans,
Speaker 1: the media has already focused on Lebron. They've already focused
Speaker 1: on Ad. They got a title. It'll be Russell. Westbrook's like, okay,
Speaker 1: let's see what you got. What do you add to
Speaker 1: this team here? Yeah, I'm a club. It's funny guys
Speaker 1: like me do like to pick on Westbrook, like the
Speaker 1: analytics like for some reason, like obviously Lebron will get
Speaker 1: a ton of attention, but yeah, we have our clause
Speaker 1: out for Westbrook. It's bizarre. You know, he's a great player. Well,
Speaker 1: he's the walking triple double. He won an MVP because
Speaker 1: he averaged a triple double. That's it. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was just Hey, there's here's the storyline. This hasn't happened
Speaker 1: since Oscar. Okay, if somebody averages eleven points, ten assists,
Speaker 1: twelve rebounds, hey, I average a triple double. Russ is fascinating.
Speaker 1: I just want to see if he makes the team better.
Speaker 1: Final hour coming up. More phone calls, of course, Eli
Speaker 1: versus Romo. That's what you thought we'd be talking about today, right,
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