Speaker 1: Episode three seventy two with Madeline Edwards. Loved it. What
Speaker 1: a what a fun time. Uh. This is Madeline Edward's
Speaker 1: song called Mama Dolly Jesus you ain't may she is
Speaker 1: and she was described to me as someone who will
Speaker 1: come in and challenge you in the best way, meaning
Speaker 1: I would really like her and she would go just
Speaker 1: whatever I had to say. If she had something to
Speaker 1: say back, she would for sure say it. And that
Speaker 1: was the case. Her new album is out right now.
Speaker 1: It's called Crash Landed. I think we recorded this is
Speaker 1: the day before it came out, and so we kept
Speaker 1: going it's it's out now, even though it wasn't something
Speaker 1: like that. You can follow her at making Madalene. She
Speaker 1: grew up in a large musical family that moved from
Speaker 1: California to Houston when she was in high school. You know,
Speaker 1: her mom was a big influence on her music taste.
Speaker 1: Her mom wanted to listen to jazz and classical, and
Speaker 1: you know she ever made her listen to old country
Speaker 1: western music and Madeline even sings for us a little
Speaker 1: bit when talking about jazz, which I thought was crazy.
Speaker 1: When she was doing the did I can't I can't
Speaker 1: do it because I never want to make anybody sing,
Speaker 1: and I said that I don't want make anybody sing
Speaker 1: here because you didn't. But she did. And it wasn't
Speaker 1: that she was showing off how good she can sing.
Speaker 1: She was showing a jazz style. I like, wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: So check it out. I really enjoyed it. Support her,
Speaker 1: go follow her. This is Madeleine Edwards. The new album
Speaker 1: is called crash Landed. The new song is called Mama
Speaker 1: Dolly Jesus. And here she is on the Bobbycast. First
Speaker 1: of all, thank you for the coffee, of course. So
Speaker 1: this is is this a special brand or special flavor?
Speaker 1: It's both. So this is a Houston specific company. It's
Speaker 1: called Cats Coffee, and they bring a lot of different
Speaker 1: elements of Texas into the coffee. So it has these
Speaker 1: very very slight notes of like sugar, cinnamon, chocolate, all
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. But I don't know. It's my
Speaker 1: favorite coffee, and I'm not a massive coffee drinker. So
Speaker 1: anyone that likes coffee, I think is actually going to
Speaker 1: really like it. We had a coffee machine, I guess
Speaker 1: I was an espresso machine, and I had forgotten to
Speaker 1: clean it for I've forgotten, don't know, like eater, and
Speaker 1: so it was so gross. It's almost like when you
Speaker 1: look in your dryer and you forget you haven't been
Speaker 1: cleaning out the lent for a long time. You're like,
Speaker 1: oh wow, this it was so disgusting. Wait, do you
Speaker 1: have like a normal coffee machine? Yeah? I would have
Speaker 1: figured in a house like this, you have like a
Speaker 1: robotic coffee maker where it like cleans itself and then
Speaker 1: it says, hey, good morning, how are you? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, whatever,
Speaker 1: you know. I was gonna say that, Well, we had
Speaker 1: an espresso machine that basically did that too, but it
Speaker 1: was so I just had left it so disgusting that
Speaker 1: we had to throw it out because oh no, it
Speaker 1: was like a virus inside of thing. I'm yeah. My
Speaker 1: wife was like, this has never been cleaned. I was like,
Speaker 1: I've really let you down. So but we have a
Speaker 1: new one now and it does it just hello, good morning.
Speaker 1: It rubs my feet. It's amazing. It's the greatest coffee
Speaker 1: coffee machine ever. That's amazing. Have you done the Today
Speaker 1: Show yet? Did you just do it? Did yesterday? You did?
Speaker 1: Who were you with? I was with Hooda and Jenna
Speaker 1: love them? Yeah, they're pretty amazing. They kind of freaked
Speaker 1: out after I played, and I had no idea we
Speaker 1: were still filming, and I almost cussed on air, and
Speaker 1: because i was just so excited from their reaction, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, ship, Like, I'm glad I'm not saying
Speaker 1: this in front of everyone on national television. Luckily there's
Speaker 1: a bit of a delay. I hosted The Today's Show
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago with Hoda and she's I mean,
Speaker 1: she's the loveliest and she's as if not more lovely
Speaker 1: off camera. It's one of those rare people where you go,
Speaker 1: there's no way they can be this awesome all the time.
Speaker 1: But I spent four days with her just the best.
Speaker 1: She's pretty amazing, pretty amazing, And so I'm glad I'd
Speaker 1: heard either you were doing it or you had done it,
Speaker 1: and I was hoping that was the hour you did,
Speaker 1: because they're they're amazing. How that experience is weird though,
Speaker 1: because you have to get up so early to to
Speaker 1: like go through sound check. Yeah, that's why my voice
Speaker 1: is like an octave deeper today and my eyes are bloodshot.
Speaker 1: I'm not stoned. I promise you that's okay too. But
Speaker 1: it's like that. You know, you go on it like
Speaker 1: maybe ten that's the hour you're actually on up there,
Speaker 1: but you have to what time do they tell you
Speaker 1: to get there? We had to get there at about
Speaker 1: four thirty, and so obviously I have to get all
Speaker 1: my makeup done. I have to put hair into my
Speaker 1: already here hair, and put makeup on, lashes, the whole ordeal,
Speaker 1: which I I don't usually do, but for national television,
Speaker 1: I thought it was probably appropriate to look decent. And
Speaker 1: so I'm getting up at like three am, if not
Speaker 1: earlier than that, to start getting ready to go. It's brutal.
Speaker 1: It's brutal for me and my normal job. I wake
Speaker 1: up really early. Obviously we go on the air at five.
Speaker 1: But I imagine for you someone who doesn't your your
Speaker 1: job doesn't require you most of the time to wake
Speaker 1: up that early. That's gonna be. That's awful. Not usually
Speaker 1: are you doing the thing where you're going around radio stations?
Speaker 1: Have you done that yet? Radio tour? Yeah, gets the worst.
Speaker 1: You never have to do it. Everyone's warning me about
Speaker 1: I never wish that up on anyone. It's it's literally
Speaker 1: the worst. Maybe you don't have to do it. Hopefully
Speaker 1: I can just bypass that. Not that I don't love
Speaker 1: radio and not radio personalities, but I don't want to
Speaker 1: wake up early. I'm not a fan of either myself.
Speaker 1: Here's the point that now you can connect with everybody
Speaker 1: in every way that you don't have to be in
Speaker 1: touch them. Yeah. You literally can get on a zoom
Speaker 1: and meet somebody. Do you have any meetings? I have
Speaker 1: now because I don't have to fly to Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: I don't have to fly across town and they're like, hey,
Speaker 1: we want you to meet with some executive of a
Speaker 1: TV show that I'm talking like, okay, I have to
Speaker 1: fly No, no, no no, just yeah, wow, I don't have
Speaker 1: to fly. No. So the radio tour thing I hope
Speaker 1: goes away. I think post COVID, that's kind of become
Speaker 1: more of a reality, not just a regional thing. Even
Speaker 1: if you want to and I have a lot of
Speaker 1: friends in radio, kid, but even if you they wanted
Speaker 1: to send you to Atlanta, right and you do that
Speaker 1: southeast part, they wanted to send you to Pittsburgh. Okay,
Speaker 1: but for new artists, I feel bad because they run
Speaker 1: you guys ragged. So I hope that doesn't happen to you. Well,
Speaker 1: let's keep on dreaming. What are you doing this week?
Speaker 1: So you said you're about to go back to New York.
Speaker 1: You just came from New York. No, I just came
Speaker 1: from New York yesterday. We landed yesterday afternoon. But this
Speaker 1: week is a big week because I'm debuting my first record,
Speaker 1: my first full length record, tomorrow. The viewing, what do
Speaker 1: you mean this? Just this being my first full length record.
Speaker 1: I've put out you know, EPs and singles before, but
Speaker 1: this is my first full length and it consists of
Speaker 1: twelve songs, and it's been in the works for the
Speaker 1: last two years. But I really feel like it's been
Speaker 1: in the works for my whole life. It's just a
Speaker 1: huge accumulation of influences and styles and sonics that I'm
Speaker 1: really inspired by and I wanted to put onto this record. Um,
Speaker 1: so yeah, that's coming out tomorrow with a music video.
Speaker 1: Why I'm confused is Okay, today's Thursday, but this will
Speaker 1: be your record will already be out by the time
Speaker 1: this airrors. So in my head, I was already there,
Speaker 1: and You're like, it's come out tomorrow, I'm like, we
Speaker 1: have another one, So this is it? So as of
Speaker 1: now it's out. Oh, yes, it's out. Now, it's out
Speaker 1: right now it's out. So with with that, you say
Speaker 1: you've been I forget the terminology. You said you've been
Speaker 1: working on your whole lives said, what do you mean
Speaker 1: by that? It's been a long process for me to
Speaker 1: get here. And what I mean by that is I
Speaker 1: am very sure and confident of what my sound is,
Speaker 1: what I want to say, what I'm trying to present
Speaker 1: in my songs lyrically, how I'm trying to produce it sonically,
Speaker 1: what kind of creatives I want to be working with
Speaker 1: in order to get that product um And I feel
Speaker 1: like this has been so I started off in jazz,
Speaker 1: you know, moved my way into soul, experimented in pop
Speaker 1: for a little bit, went into Western and now here
Speaker 1: I am in country music. But it's a huge accumulation
Speaker 1: of all of those styles. And so when I started
Speaker 1: in jazz when I was like ten years old, to
Speaker 1: where I am now, it's just building, building, building off
Speaker 1: of what I've already learned in my past with music
Speaker 1: and basically trying to put it in a way that
Speaker 1: is easily digestible for the consumer, but is still really
Speaker 1: broad and deep and introspective. So with all that, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna ask a couple dumb guy questions in a second. But,
Speaker 1: um my journey here. I worked in pop, worked in alternative,
Speaker 1: worked in hip hop, I worked in setted sports. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm here in country. I grew up in Arkansas country
Speaker 1: to start with. But I've balanced all around. And when
Speaker 1: I first got here, it was, oh, you're not one
Speaker 1: of us, I was told all the time. So you're
Speaker 1: not one of us, You're not one of us. You
Speaker 1: came from this or that. You've done multiple things, and
Speaker 1: here we don't do multiple things. We do one thing.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, no, no, no, That's that's how
Speaker 1: it used to be. But that's not how people are today.
Speaker 1: So I don't think that's how anyone that works in
Speaker 1: Nashville in this format are. How has that been? Because again,
Speaker 1: you have so many different I don't even want to
Speaker 1: say influences. I want to say almost fundamental parts of
Speaker 1: your musical journey and career. Has anyone been like what
Speaker 1: you're saying jazz and how you're doing country? How does
Speaker 1: that work? Yeah? I not to get too deep into it,
Speaker 1: but I come from a really interesting household and come
Speaker 1: from a mixed race household. My mom's white, my dad's black,
Speaker 1: um my sisters adopted. I spent half of my life
Speaker 1: in Santa Barbara, California, and half of my life in Houston, Texas,
Speaker 1: very different geograph fix, very different political climates, and so
Speaker 1: I feel like I was really um privileged in a
Speaker 1: sense to be able to kind of have this really empathetic,
Speaker 1: unbiased view towards people. And I've always kind of felt
Speaker 1: like I was in the middle anywhere, I always felt
Speaker 1: like I didn't fit, and so entering into this space
Speaker 1: wasn't any different for me. It's something that I've always
Speaker 1: kind of dealt with my whole life. And I find
Speaker 1: a way to kind of carry that confidence of even
Speaker 1: though I look different, I still belong here, and the
Speaker 1: empathy in it helps people to really connect with me
Speaker 1: and connect with my music, And so I don't ever
Speaker 1: feel like I don't belong even though I know for
Speaker 1: a fact that I don't fit in. That's good. I
Speaker 1: don't belong. I belong, but I don't fit in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I feel I understand that because I do
Speaker 1: belong and people love you here, and I think people
Speaker 1: and it's very a very revisionous history too. But I
Speaker 1: think people same can be said for you. People respect
Speaker 1: how many the word voice, not as my literal physical voice,
Speaker 1: but people respect your voice, not singing voice, but who
Speaker 1: you are and what you have to say the same
Speaker 1: way that I think even people don't like me or
Speaker 1: how I do things, I think they still respect my
Speaker 1: voice as well because I've really been unapologetic about it
Speaker 1: and I've always known who I am and what i
Speaker 1: want to say and who I want to represent, and
Speaker 1: so same can be said about you. When I was
Speaker 1: asking people about you, they were like, oh, you'll love her.
Speaker 1: She's strong and she'll be strong with you. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: she should be scared or they're like, no, you'll you'll
Speaker 1: respect you. Feel like people said the same thing about you.
Speaker 1: That's what it was because I I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: what's madete. They're like, oh, yeah, you'll like her. She's strong,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, what are you am I intimidate? Am
Speaker 1: I scared? They're like, no, no, no, you'll you'll kind
Speaker 1: of meet your match in the best way. And so
Speaker 1: that's that's like the that's that's the best compliment that
Speaker 1: someone could Yeah, I'm not that intimidating. I'm actually pretty nicey. No,
Speaker 1: it's not that you're not not to be kind of mean,
Speaker 1: but I'm I've I've found Jesus since, so I'm kind
Speaker 1: of nice now. I think your confidence can be intimidating
Speaker 1: to some people. Yeah, I mean, but but that's not
Speaker 1: something that you have to worry about. That's a them thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and I'm the same for me. I think sometimes
Speaker 1: my confidence can be misconstrued at times. I think my
Speaker 1: confidence and also my crazy insecurity because I have both,
Speaker 1: It's it's okay to have both, because I'm a creative.
Speaker 1: I think that sometimes can look like with me arrogance.
Speaker 1: No one said that about you, but I can. I
Speaker 1: hear that about me. It's like, oh, he's kind of arrogant,
Speaker 1: and they're probably right. And how it's presented because sometimes
Speaker 1: I'm really confident. Sometimes I'm so insecure that I have
Speaker 1: to like, oh no, no, no, I'm really good, I promise,
Speaker 1: And so it's a weird, weird mix to deal with.
Speaker 1: But well, you've had longer in this industry too, so
Speaker 1: you're gonna have more critics coming against you, and I
Speaker 1: might sometime in the future too, and also I'm more
Speaker 1: of a jackass. Let's be honest, I think that's what
Speaker 1: it is. Were you always that confident? But I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm so not in parts of my life. The only
Speaker 1: thing that I know I'm good at is this and
Speaker 1: I'm the best at it. And then other than that,
Speaker 1: I am so insecure. Can I ask you a question
Speaker 1: whatever you want? Do you ever feel like you get
Speaker 1: that impostor syndrome? Because you feel like there's parts of
Speaker 1: your life where you don't feel like that, but here
Speaker 1: and when you're creative, that confidence comes through completely. I
Speaker 1: live imposter of that. My career life was a pie
Speaker 1: and most of its imposter syndrome, just because I shouldn't.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I'm that talented whereaf when I
Speaker 1: hear you and I know all that you've gone through
Speaker 1: to get to this point, and all the pivots that
Speaker 1: you've taken in different roads have gotten you here, and
Speaker 1: those roads have gotten you here, But I feel like
Speaker 1: you are talented and you've picked up a lot of
Speaker 1: things along the way, And I go, mam Adan's so good,
Speaker 1: she's so talented, Like you have a literal talent. I
Speaker 1: get a find and people say I'm talented. I know
Speaker 1: it's a weird thing, therapy thing, but I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: not talented. I've just worked hard, and you're telling me
Speaker 1: I don't work very hard because I'm not talented? Were you?
Speaker 1: I know you're super talented, but also know how hard
Speaker 1: you've worked, But you have a talent. If you were
Speaker 1: taken out of here and thrown into Albuquerque tomorrow, you
Speaker 1: could still work and sing and have a career in Albuquerque. Me,
Speaker 1: I'm done, I've got nothing. I'm out of here. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say that I've Built've climbed a ladder, and if
Speaker 1: I fall lader, there no more steps back up. They've
Speaker 1: cut all the steps out underneath me as I've climbed up.
Speaker 1: So when did you? But I mean, I sincerely mean it.
Speaker 1: Um How what? How do you sing jazz? What does
Speaker 1: that mean? It's different tones and tambers in your voice.
Speaker 1: So I mean, do you want me to give you
Speaker 1: an example? You don't have to ask you to sing
Speaker 1: because I know you've traveled. I mean, I don't mind,
Speaker 1: it helps explain it better, I would If you don't mind,
Speaker 1: I would love it. So I grew up on Ella Fitzgerald,
Speaker 1: Frank Sinatra, at A James Dave Rebecca, And there is
Speaker 1: a certain uh learning how to combine the improvisation of
Speaker 1: jazz with also structure, um, because you can sometimes do
Speaker 1: whatever the hell you want in jazz and everyone's like, yeah, babadaba,
Speaker 1: and that's jazz, but there is a structure to it.
Speaker 1: I think that's what a lot of people don't see. Um.
Speaker 1: And so for instance, what I loved in Ella Fantzgerald's
Speaker 1: voice is that she had this tone was that was
Speaker 1: super rich, but also she has this timber that a
Speaker 1: lot of operatic people do with more space in between,
Speaker 1: but when you have jazz, it's closer in between. So
Speaker 1: how you would do it is um dree a little
Speaker 1: dre of me like that, So it's quicker where opera
Speaker 1: it's way more space in between. Pop you don't really
Speaker 1: see it that much. Country you can see it sometimes
Speaker 1: you say space in between, space in between the verbrato
Speaker 1: going on in between your voice. And so you train
Speaker 1: to do that in jazz to have you can the
Speaker 1: way I trained myself as I just listened to it
Speaker 1: a lot, I taught myself. Can you listen to music
Speaker 1: and do you have a good ear Like with instruments.
Speaker 1: I know you play piano. Can you listen here? Can
Speaker 1: you hear something and translate it almost immediately? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I would definitely consider myself even a producer
Speaker 1: in that sense that I can pick up things pretty
Speaker 1: easily when I listened to them. When did you realize
Speaker 1: as a kid that you it came a little easier
Speaker 1: to you than it did other people that were trying
Speaker 1: to play piano or just do music randomly. I was
Speaker 1: probably like eight or nine, I started picking up piano quicker,
Speaker 1: and uh, just picking up jazz piano. It is specifically
Speaker 1: quicker than than I probably should have. Um, I didn't
Speaker 1: know that I was good at music though. I It
Speaker 1: wasn't something that I thought to myself, like, wow, I
Speaker 1: sound good. I remember wanting to try out for Star
Speaker 1: Search when I was like five and trying to learn
Speaker 1: a Mariah Carey song and it was failing epically, And
Speaker 1: then I was like, no, I don't think I can
Speaker 1: try out for Star Search because I don't think I
Speaker 1: actually thought I was good. But I worked hard at it,
Speaker 1: and I think when there's a certain level of talent
Speaker 1: and you work hard, it's just a good combination. So
Speaker 1: do you water? Oh? I have one? Oh? You do? Okay?
Speaker 1: Just making sure do I sound dry mouthy? You do not.
Speaker 1: But when you I'm grateful that you would show me
Speaker 1: that with your voice, because I never want to require
Speaker 1: that because obviously you're traveling and or just you're talking
Speaker 1: and I didn't tell you, And then I was like,
Speaker 1: I to make sure you have water if I'm you're
Speaker 1: singing here. Oh no, I just want to make sure
Speaker 1: you're good. Yeah, no, no, no no, I'm fine. I love
Speaker 1: singing any I'll take any excuse to sing. I'm not
Speaker 1: snobby about it. Are you someone? Because as your star
Speaker 1: has risen at least here in this town in the past,
Speaker 1: I would say six months a year or so when people,
Speaker 1: you know, reals are popping people knowing about you. Are
Speaker 1: you doing different things to take care of your voice,
Speaker 1: You're learning things or are you still kind of the
Speaker 1: same You're just gonna do how you do it. No,
Speaker 1: I've had to start taking care of it. So before
Speaker 1: I moved to Nashville, when I was living in Houston,
Speaker 1: I was singing as my job. This was my full
Speaker 1: time job. I sang four or five hours a night,
Speaker 1: almost four or five nights a week. Huh doing what
Speaker 1: what are you singing? Just singing anything pop, country, jazz,
Speaker 1: maroon five, Frank Sinatra, where just in jazz bars, steakhouses.
Speaker 1: I'm that was my bread and butter. That's how I
Speaker 1: put myself to college. That's how I learned how to
Speaker 1: be a really good singer and support myself doing it.
Speaker 1: It wasn't the most glamorous thing in the world. But
Speaker 1: I think when I was doing that, your voice is
Speaker 1: a muscle. So Olympic runners, I mean they can run
Speaker 1: miles and miles and miles and they don't get tired.
Speaker 1: But it's because they've trained their body to do that. Um,
Speaker 1: same thing with a voice, Like, if you train yourself
Speaker 1: to sing and protect it the whole time, you can
Speaker 1: sing four or five hours a night. And I honestly
Speaker 1: wasn't even getting tired. I was just stretching this muscle
Speaker 1: as far as it could go and learning how to
Speaker 1: protect it at the same time. So now what I
Speaker 1: do is cold water therapy. I love the whim Hoff method. Um. Actually,
Speaker 1: just try a sauna situation this morning where you go
Speaker 1: into a chamber. It's kind of a nightmare for anyone
Speaker 1: that's claustrophobic. But I tried it today and I loved it.
Speaker 1: So is a sauna situation a sauna? I don't understand it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's a sauna. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about where you go into that chamber and
Speaker 1: then you're kind of like covered from the chest down
Speaker 1: and you can't is not that must be? Is it
Speaker 1: cold or hot? It's super hot? You eve heard because
Speaker 1: I listen. I know you made fun of me the
Speaker 1: coffee thing. We have a sona here too, do you really? Yeah?
Speaker 1: But it's not it's not your you must have gone
Speaker 1: to some specialized I think it's a specialized son it's
Speaker 1: new new technology. I don't know that. I wasn't well.
Speaker 1: Apparently it's good for your voice. And then also I've
Speaker 1: been drinking and eating a lot of pasta as a celebration,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna have to fit into this address for
Speaker 1: the CMAS next week, and I'm like, I'll sweat out
Speaker 1: all of this is as such as I can. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you talk about your record, which is out um and
Speaker 1: something that I constantly have to reevaluate is again I'll
Speaker 1: go back to the word voice, like what do I
Speaker 1: stand for? What do I want to say? Who do
Speaker 1: I want to say it to? How do I want
Speaker 1: to say it? It's what is my perspective? Right? This
Speaker 1: is something I'm cont it mine changes too as I
Speaker 1: get older, as I meet new people, as my mind
Speaker 1: is open to, like what is your voice? Like? Who?
Speaker 1: What's what is it? What? What's your perspective? What? What?
Speaker 1: What is your deal? What do you want to do?
Speaker 1: How do you want to do? I've never really had
Speaker 1: anyone asked me that before, but I feel like people
Speaker 1: just get the gist, but there's actually an answer to this,
Speaker 1: which I'm glad you asked me this because I feel
Speaker 1: like I could go more in depth with my answer.
Speaker 1: But I think because of my background, I'm a true
Speaker 1: believer in inclusivity in in every aspect, whether that be belief, systems, genders, um,
Speaker 1: no matter where you come from, no matter what your races. UM.
Speaker 1: I was very fortunate to grow up the way I did,
Speaker 1: but I know a lot of people weren't, and a
Speaker 1: lot of people see a lot of oppression and um
Speaker 1: just polarizing anything, especially in this society and especially with
Speaker 1: social media and technology right now. And so my message
Speaker 1: is to push loving everyone and just showing that inclusivity
Speaker 1: not only in my songwriting, but even in just like
Speaker 1: I think this is a weird futuristic country record. I
Speaker 1: you see little bits of R and B in motown
Speaker 1: and songs like Forehead Kisses, but it still sounds like
Speaker 1: a Brooks and Done song because there's slide guitar on
Speaker 1: it and steal. You hear these elements of true, true
Speaker 1: country and too much of a good thing and why
Speaker 1: I'm calling, and you hear you know, different sounds across
Speaker 1: the board, And I think that's even showing some inclusivity too,
Speaker 1: because it's showing a broad spectrum of of genres and cultures.
Speaker 1: And so I just want to show people, especially in
Speaker 1: this day and age, that you can become a stronger
Speaker 1: person by digging deep and going through the pain. I
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of things to distract us right
Speaker 1: now from doing that. I'm not even just talking like
Speaker 1: substances and alcohol. I'm literally talking about even our phones
Speaker 1: or shopping or just things that distract us from going
Speaker 1: through hard things in our life. And the reason why
Speaker 1: I've gotten to this place that I've gone through or
Speaker 1: that I am right now, is because I've gone through
Speaker 1: this really really really hard ship in my life and
Speaker 1: a lot of abuse, and instead of running from it
Speaker 1: like I used to, now I'm doing the things that
Speaker 1: I need to do, the heart work. I'm going to therapy,
Speaker 1: I'm making sure i'm building my community around me, making
Speaker 1: sure I'm pouring into my family as much as I can.
Speaker 1: And it's made me a stronger person, and I want
Speaker 1: people to see that. So that's kind of the message
Speaker 1: that I'm I don't know if that totally answered this question,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't in a way. And I've already say
Speaker 1: a few things that resonate with me where and you
Speaker 1: can tell me if it is somewhat similar for you.
Speaker 1: I used to be very resentful at how I grew up.
Speaker 1: You know, my mom was an addict when she died
Speaker 1: in her forty as my dad left when I was young,
Speaker 1: I was welfare kids, food stamp, kid trail, the part
Speaker 1: kid whatever, all these things, and I used to hate it.
Speaker 1: I used to be so ashamed of it, and I
Speaker 1: used to be someone who resented it. And I never
Speaker 1: had a dad, and all these things happened to me,
Speaker 1: and I was just angry and sad. However, I got
Speaker 1: to a point where I started to appreciate it because
Speaker 1: I'm glad all of that happened now because one talk
Speaker 1: about developing a muscle, and to the tool that I
Speaker 1: have that I use the most as empathy, and I'm
Speaker 1: so fortunate to have that, and I wouldn't have gotten
Speaker 1: in any other way, Like you can't. That doesn't happen
Speaker 1: unless you go through all of that. And so now
Speaker 1: there's I do see that. I was fortunate to have
Speaker 1: that happen and get through it and be able to go, Okay,
Speaker 1: I see it, and I only trying to make sure
Speaker 1: that doesn't happen and with other people if I can
Speaker 1: end the next generation. I mean, like we carry the
Speaker 1: things that our parents do into our life, and you
Speaker 1: have a choice to break those generational curses and to
Speaker 1: break those barriers, you know, like my kids are not
Speaker 1: going to deal with my kids, whether I have them
Speaker 1: biologically or adopt or whatever. That looks like it starts
Speaker 1: with me. It starts and it ends with me, and
Speaker 1: that's I'm not carrying that over. And it sounds like
Speaker 1: that's kind of the philosophy you have in your life too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so, I mean, I know. So it's when
Speaker 1: it comes to my life. Obviously, I look at me different.
Speaker 1: I look at you know what, I'm like, Hey, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Look at you should be so proud and you look
Speaker 1: at your stuff like you know, but I now am
Speaker 1: proud of it. And as you talk about, did you
Speaker 1: have a stage where you're like, you know what sucks
Speaker 1: for me? It's difficult right now? And did you ever
Speaker 1: hit a point where you you're now you where you
Speaker 1: look back and go, oh, I've learned from all this.
Speaker 1: This is the greatest teaching set ever. Was it always
Speaker 1: as positive with you? Definitely? Not? Um, I mean this
Speaker 1: is kind of I would say, even a more recent
Speaker 1: uh attitude that I walk around with. I would say,
Speaker 1: over the last maybe three or four years, it's been
Speaker 1: like this. It's when I really started digging into you know,
Speaker 1: therapy and and trying to figure out how I need
Speaker 1: to take my past traumas and learn how to live
Speaker 1: with them. Um. I'm trying to think of when I
Speaker 1: didn't think that way? Was there anything specific to happen
Speaker 1: that kind of flipped your mind? Therapy was a big
Speaker 1: part for me too. I I didn't know what therapy
Speaker 1: was growing up, and then I started to go only
Speaker 1: because they offered it as part of like insurance, and
Speaker 1: I was like, what is therapy? We didn't we have
Speaker 1: therapy where I came from just worried about eating, you know,
Speaker 1: And so I was like, I got to therapy, what
Speaker 1: is this? And I went and it it comes plately,
Speaker 1: I would say, revolutionize my approach to perspective. And I
Speaker 1: understand it's a silly concept, Like if I try to
Speaker 1: explain it to people that also are not familiar with therapy,
Speaker 1: you know it. It's it's not just going into a
Speaker 1: room and being like blah blah blah blah blah, here's
Speaker 1: my problems, and they're like, cool, here's the check, have
Speaker 1: a good day. I don't know. I feel like there
Speaker 1: was a time in my life, um probably leading up
Speaker 1: to when I started digging in that I was just
Speaker 1: noticing a lot of patterns of falling back into past demons.
Speaker 1: And I feel like I have a very addictive personality.
Speaker 1: I've seen that kind of be a string in my life,
Speaker 1: and that's something that I've seen, you know, past generations
Speaker 1: in my family deal with. And I really feel like
Speaker 1: it must have been not even a crazy rock bottom.
Speaker 1: I think it's just when I started seeing it hurting
Speaker 1: the people around me, like my family and um, people
Speaker 1: that really cared about me and wanted to see me
Speaker 1: out of this. And don't get me wrong, I mean
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of things. I also come from
Speaker 1: a fatherless home. He was pretty abusive in our life,
Speaker 1: and um, you know, it was tough to deal with.
Speaker 1: But and I'm the oldest of five, so I kind
Speaker 1: of took over as like this weird mom role to
Speaker 1: my siblings along with my mom, and me and my
Speaker 1: mom are survivors. You know, we've we've dealt with a
Speaker 1: lot of ship. But I think it's kind of just
Speaker 1: an annoying pattern of me seeing that and using my
Speaker 1: trauma or my abuse as an excuse to be like, actually,
Speaker 1: I want to drop five thousand dollars even though I
Speaker 1: know I don't have the funds to do this, or
Speaker 1: I should be saving for something like a house or
Speaker 1: college or whatever. Or seeing myself like going to weed,
Speaker 1: or seeing myself going to alcohol or whatever, and deciding
Speaker 1: I want to find a way to manipulate these patterns
Speaker 1: to where I don't have to fall back into this
Speaker 1: because I'm seeing myself in my father's shadow right now,
Speaker 1: I think that's probably more so what it was is
Speaker 1: seeing myself and my dad and not wanting to be him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what scares me because I don't I got married
Speaker 1: a year and a half or so ago for the
Speaker 1: first time and we don't have kids yet. But it
Speaker 1: scares me to death because I saw I didn't see
Speaker 1: my dad, but I saw what happened there, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: what if I'm not like and I go to I
Speaker 1: have a lot a lot of therapy, and it's like,
Speaker 1: I don't have to be that. I'm I've broken the
Speaker 1: cycle and every other way. Why do I Why do
Speaker 1: I just attach myself to that one? Like what if
Speaker 1: I have a kid? I'm like, hey, I'm out, and
Speaker 1: I don't think that, but he did that so well.
Speaker 1: The funny thing is like, you know you're not going
Speaker 1: to be like that too, Like deep down, yes, my
Speaker 1: brain says, look at the data. For sure, you will
Speaker 1: not be like that because of every other way that
Speaker 1: you've changed your life. However, there's just something in trance,
Speaker 1: in my in my heart and my gun. That's all.
Speaker 1: This is just I'm just scared and it kind of
Speaker 1: overrides all the all the systems. Yeah, no, I feel that.
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing that too. That's very vulnerable. You know,
Speaker 1: I live a life of vulnerability. That is what I do. Uh,
Speaker 1: your family musical growing up? Yes, I um, all of
Speaker 1: my siblings are musical. So the brother right under me,
Speaker 1: his name is Mica Edwards and he's still based in Houston,
Speaker 1: and he has coined himself the title Mr. Texas Soul
Speaker 1: and so he'll go around. You know. He's very much
Speaker 1: like a cross between Leon Bridges and Charlie Crockett. Has
Speaker 1: an incredible band with steel guitar and a horn section.
Speaker 1: He actually just opened for the War and Treaty last
Speaker 1: week in Houston, and um, he definitely follows in that
Speaker 1: lane of the Gary Clark Jr. Abraham Alexander world. And
Speaker 1: he's incredible. And um, my middle brother is out in
Speaker 1: l A pursuing acting in music as well, so creative
Speaker 1: like arts filled family. Yeah, I bet that's awesome sometimes
Speaker 1: and also yeah really ann yeah, yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: can see where you can relate. But also it's kind
Speaker 1: of it's the double edged sword. So do you guys
Speaker 1: ever just get together? Go? Nobody talks about music or art. No,
Speaker 1: we love it, We bond over it. It's something that
Speaker 1: when we're together, it's kind of like a language of ours,
Speaker 1: like did you hear this? Tim and Paula record No,
Speaker 1: let me okay, da da da da, and then we'll
Speaker 1: just put it on and we'll analyze the music together
Speaker 1: in the room. It's kind of weird actually, now that
Speaker 1: I'm saying that out loud, But so all you three
Speaker 1: are very musical. But your mom did she have music
Speaker 1: in the house. Yes, we were exposed to classical music,
Speaker 1: early jazz, like the people I was saying before um seventies,
Speaker 1: music like the Beatles and Bread and the b Gs
Speaker 1: and not very modern stuff. My mom didn't really like
Speaker 1: modern music, and so I actually didn't even know about
Speaker 1: artists like Britney Spears or Christina Aguilar until I was
Speaker 1: in middle school, which is wild. I felt sheltered. Get
Speaker 1: to a radio yourself somehow, that's how Is that how
Speaker 1: you found it? Like somebody else having a radio? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I like just rode with one of my
Speaker 1: friends in the car one day and I'm like, what
Speaker 1: is this and they're like, oh, this is Britney Spears,
Speaker 1: Like this doesn't sound very jazzy. What what's the difference
Speaker 1: now because I know or November now, last month you
Speaker 1: get signed at Warner was the last month, So what's
Speaker 1: the what what has happened since then? Because you obviously
Speaker 1: get signed, but then like what what happens every day?
Speaker 1: That's different. I mean, this whole year has been moving fast,
Speaker 1: so it's it's just kind of a lot of the
Speaker 1: same stuff. However, it's really cool because this music video
Speaker 1: that we're putting out tomorrow, gosh, it's already out. You
Speaker 1: can find it right now. I need to keep saying
Speaker 1: that the music video that's out right now, Mama Dolly Jesus.
Speaker 1: I mean, it looks expensive and it's incredible because I've
Speaker 1: I've never made work like this before, and it's kind
Speaker 1: of cool just having that associated with my music and
Speaker 1: my image now because that's always the level I've wanted
Speaker 1: to be at and that's something that I've been chasing
Speaker 1: my whole life, and to see it in this capacity
Speaker 1: now is a lot different. So life is kind of
Speaker 1: stayed the same in terms of dizziness, but everything is elevated. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now you have people with more influence working to hopefully
Speaker 1: put you into place to succeed. Yeah, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: That means. You know why I mean and why it's
Speaker 1: cool is they only have so much time and so
Speaker 1: much money, and in the fact they're spending both on
Speaker 1: you means that there's a belief in you. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what it is. I mean, they have limited time,
Speaker 1: limited money. They're gonna only pick the limited amount of
Speaker 1: people to spend both on, and they have not chosen
Speaker 1: you to spend some time and money on. Yeah. Pressure,
Speaker 1: yeah right, but still you give me all the pressure
Speaker 1: because I've earned the pressure and I've been working hard
Speaker 1: to feel the pressure. And that's some pressure, then feel good.
Speaker 1: But I'd rather have pressure than no pressure, because no
Speaker 1: pressure means nobody, nobody cares. No, that's yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that that's people. You know. Ask me about being nervous
Speaker 1: a lot when I was working on American Idol. It
Speaker 1: was really one of the things I worked with the
Speaker 1: contestants on most or like how how do you not
Speaker 1: be nervous? And it's just been a common theme of man,
Speaker 1: you should be happy you're nervous. Imagine you're never nervous.
Speaker 1: That means not that matters. I mean, d you get
Speaker 1: a shot at anything? Like you you only have so
Speaker 1: many times in your life that you get to be
Speaker 1: positively nervous, for sure, because most offs were nervous. It's
Speaker 1: like somebody's sick, somebody's But think about you get to go,
Speaker 1: you have a shot, you get to feel you get
Speaker 1: to feel nervous. Here's your gift with a bow on it.
Speaker 1: Nerves congratulations. Now here's what you do with it, Like
Speaker 1: it's one of the greatest gifts. Same thing as pressure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's one of the greatest gifts. It's a weird gift
Speaker 1: because then feel good. But I I appreciate you saying that.
Speaker 1: I had an interesting conversation with someone a couple of
Speaker 1: days ago that was very similar to that philosophy. Her
Speaker 1: name's Monica Earnshaw, and she was actually my boxing coach
Speaker 1: in Houston, and I saw her in Houston a few
Speaker 1: days ago and she told me, you know, what are
Speaker 1: you feeling with all this happening so quickly? And I
Speaker 1: told her, you know, some days it feels really amazing,
Speaker 1: and then some days it's happening so fast that I
Speaker 1: don't feel like I'm adjusting well. Like I feel like
Speaker 1: a lot of things are falling through the cracks. I'm
Speaker 1: forgetting to respond to some people because there's just so
Speaker 1: many people to spawned too or whatever. I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm failing at it. And all she said to me was,
Speaker 1: you've been given a gift and your only job now
Speaker 1: is to just honor it, and that's it. And I
Speaker 1: it was the most simple advice. And now I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm just going to carry that and this into
Speaker 1: the rest of whatever happens from here on out, because
Speaker 1: it's just that simple. You just honor the gift. I
Speaker 1: would get really tired and I would go and be
Speaker 1: flying all over and just shoot a show here we
Speaker 1: was shot a show in another country of doing the
Speaker 1: radio show every day, and I'll be so tired, and
Speaker 1: I would have to remind myself how lucky it might
Speaker 1: have be this exhausted doing what I want to do.
Speaker 1: Like my you know, my my mom got married again
Speaker 1: later in life, and she was married for a few
Speaker 1: years to my stepdad for a few years before she
Speaker 1: passed away, and he worked at a sawmill. He was tired.
Speaker 1: But there's a difference. I'm tired, you're tired. We get
Speaker 1: to do we get we're tired at like going after
Speaker 1: the thing we've always wanted to go after, and that is,
Speaker 1: and after I have to remind myself that I'm not
Speaker 1: reminding you. Sometimes I'm talking myself into this and go,
Speaker 1: you're really freaking lucky to be tired, Like stop complaining.
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, why are you talking to yourself
Speaker 1: in the mirror? You can just think these thoughts and
Speaker 1: it's a whole thing where then I make fun of
Speaker 1: myself out loud, and you know, we have yeah, and
Speaker 1: then we take a bath. It's all um, So I
Speaker 1: do want to play Mama Dolly Jesus. Now that being said, legally,
Speaker 1: if we play more than five seconds, we get sued,
Speaker 1: not by you really, Yeah, but they have all these
Speaker 1: rules now on podcasts and music. And we used to
Speaker 1: be considered an editorial podcast, but now any podcast you
Speaker 1: play for five seconds, you go to jail apparently. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna do two five second clips. We'll
Speaker 1: talk for a second and go back into it. Can
Speaker 1: we do that, Mike? Yeah? All right, Here is Mama
Speaker 1: Dolly Jesus. You ain't dollars Jesus. All right, So we'll
Speaker 1: talk for us just a second here and just talk
Speaker 1: about Look at that there's a tree outside the window,
Speaker 1: all right, Mike, give me a little bit more. Jesus,
Speaker 1: what's the video? What is it? Yeah, like what you
Speaker 1: said it was that they spend a bunch of money on.
Speaker 1: It looks cool at your vision, Like, what is it?
Speaker 1: What's man? It's so cool. It's one I've never seen
Speaker 1: a video like this, especially in the country music space,
Speaker 1: and now that it's out, I can talk about it.
Speaker 1: But it's basically this concept that me and my girlfriends
Speaker 1: we're super confident in who we are. We board this
Speaker 1: train with a bunch of tired, angry people that are
Speaker 1: that don't love themselves well, but they see us and
Speaker 1: they see us in all this confidence and it's infectious
Speaker 1: and it takes over the entire train. And at the
Speaker 1: end of the video, you know, we get this amazing surprise.
Speaker 1: We have a drag dolly in the in the video,
Speaker 1: and it's incredible because I'm talking about Jesus and also
Speaker 1: having a drag dolly in the video at the same time,
Speaker 1: which I mean that could piss people off. I don't
Speaker 1: really care if it does, but honestly, it's just promoting
Speaker 1: more of the inclusivity. But also it's just this really
Speaker 1: it's this really fun video. I don't. I think it's
Speaker 1: totally positive and it's not meant to be divisive or
Speaker 1: controversial at all. I feel like it's really fun and
Speaker 1: positive and really trying to get people to feel confident
Speaker 1: and love themselves well and so then they'll be able
Speaker 1: to love other people well as as Wow, well as well.
Speaker 1: How is the operation? When I saw, because I you know,
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time at the opera your
Speaker 1: debut a couple of months ago. Yeah, I saw it
Speaker 1: pop up on the Instagram. I wasn't there that night,
Speaker 1: but it's pretty cool. Huh. Yeah. It was nerve wracking.
Speaker 1: There's cameras in your face all day, they're always you know.
Speaker 1: That makes makes me a little more nervous. But it
Speaker 1: was really cool. My mom got to be there and
Speaker 1: I sang why I'm calling, which is about her, and
Speaker 1: she lives in California now doing she's actually a child
Speaker 1: psychologist as well. But um, I just missed her. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm doing a lot of big things in my career
Speaker 1: that honestly I wouldn't be able to do if she
Speaker 1: didn't raise me and protect me the way she did.
Speaker 1: And so it's kind of sad her missing out on
Speaker 1: all these really big life events just because we're so
Speaker 1: far away, and you know, she's working in California right now,
Speaker 1: but um, she got to be there and that was
Speaker 1: really special for me. And I was probably crying from
Speaker 1: you know, the minute I woke up to the minute
Speaker 1: I want to sleep, just because I was so grateful.
Speaker 1: That's cool. Was she crying obviously? Yeah? Do you see
Speaker 1: you and her? I do. I see more of myself
Speaker 1: and my mom than and my dad. For sure. She's
Speaker 1: a really giving, loving person, and I think she actually
Speaker 1: believes the best and a lot of people and builds
Speaker 1: them up well. And I've always wanted to be like that.
Speaker 1: I think I'm starting to see myself be like that
Speaker 1: more so. You are you feel like you're maturing? Do
Speaker 1: you feel like I mean, I'm old as crap. I
Speaker 1: better be maturing by now. Yeah, but there are plays
Speaker 1: I'm eight years old in some ways still. Yeah. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't think age and maturation. I don't think they
Speaker 1: always go hand in hand. That's true. There are some
Speaker 1: parts of my life where again I'm nine, and my
Speaker 1: wife and in serious and joking, she's like, look, you've
Speaker 1: there are certain parts of your life where you froze
Speaker 1: certain parts of your um you know, psychological lives and
Speaker 1: parts of my emotional There's there are some trauma there
Speaker 1: that just said, all right, we're gonna put a stop
Speaker 1: sign here and we're just gonna stop into you have
Speaker 1: to uncomfortably go through the top sign. Yeah, I get that,
Speaker 1: and I'm Peter Pan and Peter Pan in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways. I mean, I'm still a kid in some
Speaker 1: ways like that. That's why I'm in therapy. But yes,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm a cheering a little bit. Did
Speaker 1: you always know what you wanted to do? Yes? Because
Speaker 1: I always knew, and it was it was weird to
Speaker 1: me the people didn't. And your let's say you're seven,
Speaker 1: what do you want to do when you were seven? Music?
Speaker 1: Did you want to do this when you were ever?
Speaker 1: There are three things I wanted to do. I wanted
Speaker 1: to be on the radio, on TV, and be a
Speaker 1: stand up comedian, and I do all three. But I've
Speaker 1: always the create. I just would look at people be like,
Speaker 1: what do you mean you don't know what you want
Speaker 1: to do? I just didn't understand the concept of not
Speaker 1: I knew immediately, but you too. Isn't it crazy that
Speaker 1: we actually get to do it, though, there's like maybe
Speaker 1: two percent of people that actually get to say that
Speaker 1: they and entertainment specifically, because your odds are even small.
Speaker 1: You think your odds are small in the real world,
Speaker 1: they're even smaller in the world of entertainment. So the
Speaker 1: fact that we're getting to do this is wild. When
Speaker 1: you wanted to do music, let's say you're seventeen, different
Speaker 1: stage alive, you still want to do music, But what
Speaker 1: what did that mean to you as a teenager when
Speaker 1: you wanted to do music. I had to kind of
Speaker 1: buck up and and figure out how that was going
Speaker 1: to be a career transition or start a career with that,
Speaker 1: because obviously when I was seventeen, I was actually I
Speaker 1: started playing in jazz bars when I was fourteen. So
Speaker 1: you when you say music, did you want to sing specifically,
Speaker 1: or was it I wanted to sing. I wanted to
Speaker 1: be a songwriter. I wanted to be a producer. So
Speaker 1: a fourteen you start going into jazz bars and singing. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny. I actually started singing in jazz
Speaker 1: bars because it was a way that I could help
Speaker 1: my family keep the lights on. But then I loved it.
Speaker 1: And I actually ended up making a lot of money
Speaker 1: doing that. And I sang for this guy in Houston.
Speaker 1: His name's Tilman for Tita billion dollar buyer. He also
Speaker 1: owns the Houston Rockets and the U of H team,
Speaker 1: but he has a ton of restaurants and steakhouses and
Speaker 1: very high fine dining places in the entire Texas and
Speaker 1: South and on um. But I was like one of
Speaker 1: his main piano players and singers for all of his
Speaker 1: establishments and all of his corporate events and everything. And
Speaker 1: so it was funny that it started off as this
Speaker 1: thing to really help my family along, and then it
Speaker 1: ended up being this amazing career by the time I
Speaker 1: left Houston and moved to Nashville. So, you know, the
Speaker 1: Beatles would talk about I don't know the Beatles. I
Speaker 1: just read book. I don't talk to you about it.
Speaker 1: But if you know the Beatles, I don't know the Beatles.
Speaker 1: But they they would always an interviews and in books
Speaker 1: that would talk about going in They would be in Germany.
Speaker 1: They play the clubs in Hamburg for you know, eight
Speaker 1: nine hours at a time, and that's really where they
Speaker 1: got good at everything because they had to do eight
Speaker 1: or nine hours they had to play songs two or
Speaker 1: three times. They'd have to play all these covers, the
Speaker 1: occasional original. But that's where when you talk about singing
Speaker 1: three or four hours, and they were like, well, we
Speaker 1: learned how not to be tired. For sure, you would
Speaker 1: sing for eight hours, you would, or you'd play for it.
Speaker 1: You just be tired. But we learned how not to
Speaker 1: be tired and perform at a high level because we
Speaker 1: had to do it so off. And so when you're
Speaker 1: telling that story about you having a sing for three
Speaker 1: or four hours a night and your voice wasn't even tired,
Speaker 1: we had to learn how to do that. It's probably
Speaker 1: easier to not go blow your voice while doing a
Speaker 1: show now because you've had all this training. Is a
Speaker 1: good word for it, like it's literal, it's hard. It
Speaker 1: was paid practice time. That's what I thought of it
Speaker 1: as when I was seventeen, which I think is a
Speaker 1: really mature way to think of it as a teenager.
Speaker 1: Anytime I was like, man, I don't want to play
Speaker 1: for four hours. This is really tiring. Um My mom
Speaker 1: told me. She was like, you're just getting paid to
Speaker 1: basically practice every song in every key, in every format,
Speaker 1: whether people are paying attention to you, or whether they're
Speaker 1: paying more attention to the football game behind you on
Speaker 1: the screen, Like it doesn't matter. You're getting paid to
Speaker 1: practice and you can mess up and no one cares.
Speaker 1: You did a show with Stapleton, actually did a whole
Speaker 1: tour with Stapleton, which I have a funny story about. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you go, you have a story for me or Okay,
Speaker 1: So first, how did you and Chris even come together?
Speaker 1: What was that? I was kind of online friends with Morgan,
Speaker 1: his wife, and we just kind of followed each other
Speaker 1: for a little bit up until the c m As
Speaker 1: last year when I sang with Mickey and Brittany and
Speaker 1: I met them because their table was right in front
Speaker 1: of our table, and I had just come off the
Speaker 1: stage from singing. My makeup is all sweating down my
Speaker 1: face because I'm crying and sobbing with the girls, and
Speaker 1: Morgan and I have already been basically Instagram friends for
Speaker 1: a couple of months, and she points at me and
Speaker 1: she blines it for me because she loved the performance,
Speaker 1: and she really really loved my music at the time,
Speaker 1: and she'd play it for her family, and we just
Speaker 1: made that connection there at the c m A S.
Speaker 1: And I was again sobbing more because these are my
Speaker 1: two musical heroes and the fact that I was getting
Speaker 1: to meet them on this really historical night, not only
Speaker 1: in my career but just in country music, it was
Speaker 1: kind of unreal for me. So you meet then and
Speaker 1: then who does she go come come out with this
Speaker 1: or yeah, my my touring agent, Lenore. She was the
Speaker 1: one that reached out to them when they were looking
Speaker 1: for a new opener, and Yola had come off for
Speaker 1: a few events that she was already doing and they
Speaker 1: were looking for someone to fill yolas spot, which actually
Speaker 1: this rolls perfectly into my story. So one of the
Speaker 1: spots that Yola was out for was Chris's massive Kentucky
Speaker 1: concert at a stadium and the lineup am I allowed
Speaker 1: to cuss on this? Okay? The lineup was Chris s Tableton,
Speaker 1: Willie Nelson, Ryl Crow and who the fuck is Madeleine Edwards?
Speaker 1: That was the lineup. And very shortly before this happened,
Speaker 1: you were opening I think for Brooks and done was
Speaker 1: it and you had a song come out called No
Speaker 1: One Cares About the Opener Garth Brooks. I was the
Speaker 1: opener yeah, yeah, I've never felt more seen than when
Speaker 1: you released that song on Instagram and it was like
Speaker 1: literally right before I was about to open in this
Speaker 1: stadium for all of this massive star lineup, and then
Speaker 1: everyone's not only like that, Liver, It's okay, it's like legitimately,
Speaker 1: I've never heard of this girl and what is happening
Speaker 1: right now? So I felt very seen in that moment.
Speaker 1: Thank you. That's funny. But the difference is you had talent. Again,
Speaker 1: we go back to that. Here we are playing in
Speaker 1: front of seventy people without talent and and whatever. Yeah
Speaker 1: you know, Okay, So look you got the new album
Speaker 1: that's out now, not tomorrow. I don't know, now what
Speaker 1: do you? Let's talk expectations of the record that aren't
Speaker 1: super personal, meaning find your stuff. I want people to
Speaker 1: laugh and feel. I don't want to feel. But it's like,
Speaker 1: also I wanted to be What do you want the
Speaker 1: record to do? Are you true? Like, what's the what's
Speaker 1: the purpose of this record when it comes to you
Speaker 1: in Nashville? Is it setting something up? You wanted to
Speaker 1: talk to be a number one? But what is it?
Speaker 1: What's the deal? Is there a single that goes to
Speaker 1: Mama Dolly Jesus. Okay, because we've I've played a bunch
Speaker 1: of your songs on the National weekend show, you know,
Speaker 1: I know you have, and thank you for that because
Speaker 1: I've been a fan for a long time. Well, thank you.
Speaker 1: So it's like, I just need to know what the
Speaker 1: song is, you know. So yeah, Well, and the single
Speaker 1: is definitely Mama Dolly Jesus. I think that we're going
Speaker 1: is that what they know and they're gonna work that? Yes, okay, yes, es, Yes,
Speaker 1: that's the one that we plan on working, whether it
Speaker 1: be to radio or whatever that means. That's the one, um,
Speaker 1: which is why we did a music video to it.
Speaker 1: But my hopes and anticipations for the record, and I'll
Speaker 1: I'll preface this was saying, even if this record is
Speaker 1: a total flop and it doesn't do anything, I'm really
Speaker 1: proud of it. And this is exactly what I wanted
Speaker 1: to make and produce, and this is the message that
Speaker 1: I'm trying to give to the world. And so even
Speaker 1: if it does terribly, I'm still kind of like, this
Speaker 1: is my favorite record in my favorite piece of art
Speaker 1: I've ever put out. But what I would like for
Speaker 1: it to do, I want this to be a new
Speaker 1: era for me. I want this to be an establishing
Speaker 1: of my self here in Nashville in the country music space,
Speaker 1: even in the contemporary music space, because I think mom
Speaker 1: A Dooli Jesus has the potential to cross over to pop. UM.
Speaker 1: And I really wanted to be kind of a statement
Speaker 1: of this is who I am. And it's not snarky
Speaker 1: or cheeky, because I'm I'm, you know, challenging the listener
Speaker 1: to do the same thing. I'm challenging the listener to
Speaker 1: do the hard work and be confident in themselves. UM.
Speaker 1: There's really really sexy songs on here, like Forehead Kisses
Speaker 1: or Playground that are very much UM. I'm very you know,
Speaker 1: confident in my sexuality. I'm very confident in in who
Speaker 1: I am as a woman, which especially in the Christian
Speaker 1: music space, which I'm not in Christian music, but I
Speaker 1: am a Christian. UM is usually looked down upon, and
Speaker 1: I don't think it has to be. I think that
Speaker 1: could be used in a really positive light, a woman
Speaker 1: being confident in her body and being confident in her
Speaker 1: sexuality and um. And then you have songs like how
Speaker 1: Strong I Am and and talking about digging into the
Speaker 1: pain and coming out a stronger person. So there's a
Speaker 1: lot of different themes on the record. They all are
Speaker 1: genuine to who I am, but it's all challenging the
Speaker 1: listener to be confident in who they are. And so
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of my goal for it. I
Speaker 1: don't really know, like accolades wise, what I'm I mean, Obviously,
Speaker 1: I would love it to go as far as I
Speaker 1: as I think it could go, which is, you know,
Speaker 1: I think this album could be recognized at least by Grammys.
Speaker 1: There if you don't say it, how's it supposed to do? It?
Speaker 1: You let people know your goals so they can help you.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to sound egotistical, that's not
Speaker 1: I asked you the question. I asked you the question,
Speaker 1: would you like to go? I love to one of
Speaker 1: Grammy Boom? There we go. Yeah, I knew it was
Speaker 1: personally fulfilling, Like I I really because I know that's
Speaker 1: who you are, right, You're not gonna do something that
Speaker 1: isn't you, And I'm glad you said that. But let's
Speaker 1: let's go. Let's get some big goals. We're not scared
Speaker 1: of goals now, I'm not. I think. I always kind
Speaker 1: of struggle with like, I want to say what I want,
Speaker 1: but I don't want people to think that I'm egotistical
Speaker 1: or narcissistic for thinking that. And there's a very fine
Speaker 1: line to what people think as I mean, you are,
Speaker 1: like I said about me and arrogance, I don't feel
Speaker 1: like American at all, but I definitely can see sometimes
Speaker 1: I cross the line to people where they do think that,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, yeah, I gotta I got a
Speaker 1: good point of feeling that way, because it could have
Speaker 1: come off that way. But I don't care. I tried to.
Speaker 1: I don't care as much about what people that people
Speaker 1: understand me anymore because if they don't, either they will
Speaker 1: eventually or I'll just die and just be under un understood,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'll be one of the great thinkers
Speaker 1: that nobody ever really die. Not the part at the point, Okay,
Speaker 1: look here we are. The album is out. I everybody,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you just go listen to it. Um. It
Speaker 1: has been out for a bunch of days now, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't know any days at this point, tons
Speaker 1: of days, tons of so many days. I'm just about
Speaker 1: a big fan. I enjoyed you anyway without knowing you.
Speaker 1: But everything that people told me about you, not they
Speaker 1: weren't exactly true. It's true. We're meeting you than even
Speaker 1: they said, Like, I really enjoy just spend a time
Speaker 1: with you. Yeah, you're very You're you're very deliberate, and
Speaker 1: I appreciate thank you. I will say, I've been kind
Speaker 1: of waiting for this call because I feel like music
Speaker 1: is not cool until Bobby Bones says it's cool. And
Speaker 1: I was like, I saw you interviewing a lot of
Speaker 1: my friends. I'm like, man, he doesn't think my ship
Speaker 1: is cool yet. I guess I just got to keep making.
Speaker 1: I kept like making cooler and cooler ship, and oh,
Speaker 1: Bobby Bones didn't call me. I guess it's not that cool.
Speaker 1: But then finally you have a new album coming out album.
Speaker 1: If we would have called you two months ago, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been the same, right, it would have us
Speaker 1: got to know each other. But then you would have
Speaker 1: missed a prime opportunity, or I would have missed a
Speaker 1: prime opportunity to promote something new that you have just spent. Well,
Speaker 1: you know what this means now it meets I don't
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It means my ship is cool.
Speaker 1: It already was. No, No, it already was. I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: I've played uh too much of a good thing. Heart.
Speaker 1: You can't break hold my horses, sports City, thinking about
Speaker 1: you been all this stuff I played right, So I
Speaker 1: already thought it was cool. That's alright. So it was
Speaker 1: never that. It was always timing on when can you
Speaker 1: come in and promote your newest thing? And it makes
Speaker 1: We have a million people who listen to this, so
Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure that when you came in,
Speaker 1: we took their gift and we said, this is the
Speaker 1: gift I'm presenting you. It's Madalin and she's presenting her
Speaker 1: new project, her new music. There we go where everybody wins.
Speaker 1: That's why you've always been cool. Thanks. I on the
Speaker 1: other hand, I have not, and I am not secured
Speaker 1: in my body. And we'll just end it there at
Speaker 1: making Madalen. That's it. Go go follow. What are you
Speaker 1: doing the rest of the day. The rest of the day, Oh,
Speaker 1: my family's income. They're coming in town because I'm singing
Speaker 1: for the Opery again, So I'm gonna be cleaning my
Speaker 1: house for the rest of the day. When you form
Speaker 1: the oy tomorrow, Saturday today, tomorrow we'll talk in real
Speaker 1: terms now. Were actual recording this on a Thursday, but
Speaker 1: so's Friday night the night? Yeah, Oh that's cool. Good
Speaker 1: for you. Big week. Yeah, it's a big week. Operates
Speaker 1: a cool spot to do on an album released, because one,
Speaker 1: it's the Opery Opera is always cool. Um too. The
Speaker 1: it's on satellite radio. It's on all these ws M,
Speaker 1: so there's actually a reach as well aside from it
Speaker 1: just being the Opery and then there's a lot of
Speaker 1: good social that comes out of it. That's that's a
Speaker 1: good good spot. I love it. We're gonna also be
Speaker 1: doing Mama Dolly Jesus with their bands with the Opery Band,
Speaker 1: which I think is going to go so hard, and
Speaker 1: then we're gonna really strip it down and I'm going
Speaker 1: to be playing all by myself on their grand Too
Speaker 1: much of a good thing. I think that is a
Speaker 1: perfect little spot right there. I've never heard anyone so
Speaker 1: the Opery Band goes hard, but I like it. They
Speaker 1: will on this song. They you will make them, I
Speaker 1: will make no doubt about it. Made You've been It's
Speaker 1: been awesome talking to you. Yeah, it's really been amazing.
Speaker 1: You guys follow at Making Magdalene and you, guys check
Speaker 1: out the album because it is out now. It is right,
Speaker 1: and it's been out there because I was already listening
Speaker 1: to it last week. It's so great already. That's speaking
Speaker 1: into existence, all right. There she is mat elan Etter