WEBVTT - #372 - Madeline Edwards on Opening For Chris Stapleton in a Stadium + Teaches Us How to Sing Jazz + Speaking Her Goal into Existence for Her Debut Album + Why She Says “Even Though I Look Different, I Belong Here” 0:00:01.520 --> 0:00:06.000 Episode three seventy two with Madeline Edwards. Loved it. What 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:09.039 a what a fun time. Uh. This is Madeline Edward's 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:18.360 song called Mama Dolly Jesus you ain't may she is 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:20.880 and she was described to me as someone who will 0:00:20.920 --> 0:00:23.440 come in and challenge you in the best way, meaning 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:26.200 I would really like her and she would go just 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:27.480 whatever I had to say. If she had something to 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:28.880 say back, she would for sure say it. And that 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:31.120 was the case. Her new album is out right now. 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:33.240 It's called Crash Landed. I think we recorded this is 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:35.120 the day before it came out, and so we kept 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:38.240 going it's it's out now, even though it wasn't something 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:41.559 like that. You can follow her at making Madalene. She 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:43.800 grew up in a large musical family that moved from 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:46.879 California to Houston when she was in high school. You know, 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:49.040 her mom was a big influence on her music taste. 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:51.239 Her mom wanted to listen to jazz and classical, and 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:52.920 you know she ever made her listen to old country 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:55.800 western music and Madeline even sings for us a little 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:58.040 bit when talking about jazz, which I thought was crazy. 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:01.200 When she was doing the did I can't I can't 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:03.000 do it because I never want to make anybody sing, 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:04.680 and I said that I don't want make anybody sing 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:06.679 here because you didn't. But she did. And it wasn't 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:08.160 that she was showing off how good she can sing. 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:11.160 She was showing a jazz style. I like, wow, that's crazy. 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:13.720 So check it out. I really enjoyed it. Support her, 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:17.399 go follow her. This is Madeleine Edwards. The new album 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:20.000 is called crash Landed. The new song is called Mama 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:23.480 Dolly Jesus. And here she is on the Bobbycast. First 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:25.640 of all, thank you for the coffee, of course. So 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:29.160 this is is this a special brand or special flavor? 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:33.399 It's both. So this is a Houston specific company. It's 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:37.160 called Cats Coffee, and they bring a lot of different 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:39.960 elements of Texas into the coffee. So it has these 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:44.759 very very slight notes of like sugar, cinnamon, chocolate, all 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:46.880 that kind of stuff. But I don't know. It's my 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:49.480 favorite coffee, and I'm not a massive coffee drinker. So 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:52.280 anyone that likes coffee, I think is actually going to 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:55.160 really like it. We had a coffee machine, I guess 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:58.360 I was an espresso machine, and I had forgotten to 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:01.400 clean it for I've forgotten, don't know, like eater, and 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:04.360 so it was so gross. It's almost like when you 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:06.040 look in your dryer and you forget you haven't been 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:07.400 cleaning out the lent for a long time. You're like, 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:09.760 oh wow, this it was so disgusting. Wait, do you 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:13.160 have like a normal coffee machine? Yeah? I would have 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:14.680 figured in a house like this, you have like a 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:18.000 robotic coffee maker where it like cleans itself and then 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:22.000 it says, hey, good morning, how are you? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, whatever, 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:24.880 you know. I was gonna say that, Well, we had 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:26.880 an espresso machine that basically did that too, but it 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:30.200 was so I just had left it so disgusting that 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:32.640 we had to throw it out because oh no, it 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:36.440 was like a virus inside of thing. I'm yeah. My 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:39.400 wife was like, this has never been cleaned. I was like, 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:41.640 I've really let you down. So but we have a 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:44.000 new one now and it does it just hello, good morning. 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:46.680 It rubs my feet. It's amazing. It's the greatest coffee 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:50.359 coffee machine ever. That's amazing. Have you done the Today 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:53.320 Show yet? Did you just do it? Did yesterday? You did? 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:57.840 Who were you with? I was with Hooda and Jenna 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:01.680 love them? Yeah, they're pretty amazing. They kind of freaked 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:03.680 out after I played, and I had no idea we 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:06.560 were still filming, and I almost cussed on air, and 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:09.080 because i was just so excited from their reaction, and 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:12.280 I'm like, oh, ship, Like, I'm glad I'm not saying 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:15.880 this in front of everyone on national television. Luckily there's 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:17.840 a bit of a delay. I hosted The Today's Show 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:19.720 a few weeks ago with Hoda and she's I mean, 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:23.040 she's the loveliest and she's as if not more lovely 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:25.799 off camera. It's one of those rare people where you go, 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:28.160 there's no way they can be this awesome all the time. 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:30.840 But I spent four days with her just the best. 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:34.240 She's pretty amazing, pretty amazing, And so I'm glad I'd 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:36.160 heard either you were doing it or you had done it, 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:37.680 and I was hoping that was the hour you did, 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:40.080 because they're they're amazing. How that experience is weird though, 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:41.880 because you have to get up so early to to 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:44.240 like go through sound check. Yeah, that's why my voice 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:46.920 is like an octave deeper today and my eyes are bloodshot. 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:51.120 I'm not stoned. I promise you that's okay too. But 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:53.640 it's like that. You know, you go on it like 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:56.400 maybe ten that's the hour you're actually on up there, 0:03:56.800 --> 0:03:58.480 but you have to what time do they tell you 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:00.720 to get there? We had to get there at about 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:04.160 four thirty, and so obviously I have to get all 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:06.560 my makeup done. I have to put hair into my 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:11.320 already here hair, and put makeup on, lashes, the whole ordeal, 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:14.400 which I I don't usually do, but for national television, 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:17.200 I thought it was probably appropriate to look decent. And 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:20.000 so I'm getting up at like three am, if not 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:22.880 earlier than that, to start getting ready to go. It's brutal. 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:25.120 It's brutal for me and my normal job. I wake 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:27.240 up really early. Obviously we go on the air at five. 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:30.600 But I imagine for you someone who doesn't your your 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:33.440 job doesn't require you most of the time to wake 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:36.120 up that early. That's gonna be. That's awful. Not usually 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:38.360 are you doing the thing where you're going around radio stations? 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:42.200 Have you done that yet? Radio tour? Yeah, gets the worst. 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:44.680 You never have to do it. Everyone's warning me about 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:46.719 I never wish that up on anyone. It's it's literally 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:48.520 the worst. Maybe you don't have to do it. Hopefully 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:50.719 I can just bypass that. Not that I don't love 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:54.200 radio and not radio personalities, but I don't want to 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:56.120 wake up early. I'm not a fan of either myself. 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:59.000 Here's the point that now you can connect with everybody 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:00.200 in every way that you don't have to be in 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:03.320 touch them. Yeah. You literally can get on a zoom 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:05.240 and meet somebody. Do you have any meetings? I have 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:08.400 now because I don't have to fly to Los Angeles. 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:10.840 I don't have to fly across town and they're like, hey, 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:12.839 we want you to meet with some executive of a 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:15.520 TV show that I'm talking like, okay, I have to 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:18.840 fly No, no, no no, just yeah, wow, I don't have 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:21.520 to fly. No. So the radio tour thing I hope 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:24.880 goes away. I think post COVID, that's kind of become 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:27.880 more of a reality, not just a regional thing. Even 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:29.960 if you want to and I have a lot of 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:32.839 friends in radio, kid, but even if you they wanted 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:35.440 to send you to Atlanta, right and you do that 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:38.280 southeast part, they wanted to send you to Pittsburgh. Okay, 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:41.440 but for new artists, I feel bad because they run 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:44.880 you guys ragged. So I hope that doesn't happen to you. Well, 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:47.039 let's keep on dreaming. What are you doing this week? 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:48.599 So you said you're about to go back to New York. 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:50.160 You just came from New York. No, I just came 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:53.600 from New York yesterday. We landed yesterday afternoon. But this 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:57.600 week is a big week because I'm debuting my first record, 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:00.880 my first full length record, tomorrow. The viewing, what do 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:03.799 you mean this? Just this being my first full length record. 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:08.240 I've put out you know, EPs and singles before, but 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:11.280 this is my first full length and it consists of 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:14.400 twelve songs, and it's been in the works for the 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:16.200 last two years. But I really feel like it's been 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:18.920 in the works for my whole life. It's just a 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:23.839 huge accumulation of influences and styles and sonics that I'm 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:27.719 really inspired by and I wanted to put onto this record. Um, 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:30.360 so yeah, that's coming out tomorrow with a music video. 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:33.440 Why I'm confused is Okay, today's Thursday, but this will 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:34.920 be your record will already be out by the time 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:37.200 this airrors. So in my head, I was already there, 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:38.919 and You're like, it's come out tomorrow, I'm like, we 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:41.359 have another one, So this is it? So as of 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:44.920 now it's out. Oh, yes, it's out. Now, it's out 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:49.560 right now it's out. So with with that, you say 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:52.400 you've been I forget the terminology. You said you've been 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:54.080 working on your whole lives said, what do you mean 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:56.839 by that? It's been a long process for me to 0:06:56.880 --> 0:07:00.919 get here. And what I mean by that is I 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:03.840 am very sure and confident of what my sound is, 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:06.480 what I want to say, what I'm trying to present 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:09.680 in my songs lyrically, how I'm trying to produce it sonically, 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:11.440 what kind of creatives I want to be working with 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:15.200 in order to get that product um And I feel 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:17.560 like this has been so I started off in jazz, 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:20.840 you know, moved my way into soul, experimented in pop 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:23.520 for a little bit, went into Western and now here 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:26.480 I am in country music. But it's a huge accumulation 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:29.840 of all of those styles. And so when I started 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:32.400 in jazz when I was like ten years old, to 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:36.000 where I am now, it's just building, building, building off 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:38.640 of what I've already learned in my past with music 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:41.400 and basically trying to put it in a way that 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:47.040 is easily digestible for the consumer, but is still really 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:51.520 broad and deep and introspective. So with all that, I'm 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:53.480 gonna ask a couple dumb guy questions in a second. But, 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:57.560 um my journey here. I worked in pop, worked in alternative, 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:00.280 worked in hip hop, I worked in setted sports. You know, 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:02.880 I'm here in country. I grew up in Arkansas country 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:06.080 to start with. But I've balanced all around. And when 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:08.520 I first got here, it was, oh, you're not one 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:10.160 of us, I was told all the time. So you're 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:11.400 not one of us, You're not one of us. You 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:14.160 came from this or that. You've done multiple things, and 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:16.400 here we don't do multiple things. We do one thing. 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:18.560 And I'm like, no, no, no, no, That's that's how 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:21.320 it used to be. But that's not how people are today. 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:23.640 So I don't think that's how anyone that works in 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:27.720 Nashville in this format are. How has that been? Because again, 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:30.640 you have so many different I don't even want to 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:33.960 say influences. I want to say almost fundamental parts of 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:37.640 your musical journey and career. Has anyone been like what 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:39.360 you're saying jazz and how you're doing country? How does 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:43.959 that work? Yeah? I not to get too deep into it, 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:47.440 but I come from a really interesting household and come 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:51.240 from a mixed race household. My mom's white, my dad's black, 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:55.160 um my sisters adopted. I spent half of my life 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:58.080 in Santa Barbara, California, and half of my life in Houston, Texas, 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:02.160 very different geograph fix, very different political climates, and so 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:06.200 I feel like I was really um privileged in a 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:10.599 sense to be able to kind of have this really empathetic, 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:12.800 unbiased view towards people. And I've always kind of felt 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:14.840 like I was in the middle anywhere, I always felt 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:18.760 like I didn't fit, and so entering into this space 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:21.000 wasn't any different for me. It's something that I've always 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:23.880 kind of dealt with my whole life. And I find 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:27.200 a way to kind of carry that confidence of even 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:30.200 though I look different, I still belong here, and the 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:34.920 empathy in it helps people to really connect with me 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:37.680 and connect with my music, And so I don't ever 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:40.040 feel like I don't belong even though I know for 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:43.120 a fact that I don't fit in. That's good. I 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:46.040 don't belong. I belong, but I don't fit in. Yeah, 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:49.840 I think I feel I understand that because I do 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:53.120 belong and people love you here, and I think people 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:59.199 and it's very a very revisionous history too. But I 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:03.280 think people same can be said for you. People respect 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:06.760 how many the word voice, not as my literal physical voice, 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:10.240 but people respect your voice, not singing voice, but who 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:12.160 you are and what you have to say the same 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:14.040 way that I think even people don't like me or 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:15.760 how I do things, I think they still respect my 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:19.040 voice as well because I've really been unapologetic about it 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:21.719 and I've always known who I am and what i 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:24.000 want to say and who I want to represent, and 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:25.520 so same can be said about you. When I was 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:27.280 asking people about you, they were like, oh, you'll love her. 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:31.679 She's strong and she'll be strong with you. And I'm like, 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:34.319 she should be scared or they're like, no, you'll you'll 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:36.560 respect you. Feel like people said the same thing about you. 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:39.040 That's what it was because I I was like, hey, 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:42.080 what's madete. They're like, oh, yeah, you'll like her. She's strong, 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:44.800 And I'm like, what are you am I intimidate? Am 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:47.320 I scared? They're like, no, no, no, you'll you'll kind 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:50.160 of meet your match in the best way. And so 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:53.680 that's that's like the that's that's the best compliment that 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:58.600 someone could Yeah, I'm not that intimidating. I'm actually pretty nicey. No, 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:00.720 it's not that you're not not to be kind of mean, 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:03.760 but I'm I've I've found Jesus since, so I'm kind 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:06.760 of nice now. I think your confidence can be intimidating 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:09.120 to some people. Yeah, I mean, but but that's not 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:13.040 something that you have to worry about. That's a them thing. Yeah, 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:15.760 and and I'm the same for me. I think sometimes 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:19.640 my confidence can be misconstrued at times. I think my 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:22.160 confidence and also my crazy insecurity because I have both, 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:24.560 It's it's okay to have both, because I'm a creative. 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:28.840 I think that sometimes can look like with me arrogance. 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:31.080 No one said that about you, but I can. I 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:34.360 hear that about me. It's like, oh, he's kind of arrogant, 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:36.640 and they're probably right. And how it's presented because sometimes 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:38.800 I'm really confident. Sometimes I'm so insecure that I have 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:40.920 to like, oh no, no, no, I'm really good, I promise, 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:44.280 And so it's a weird, weird mix to deal with. 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:47.000 But well, you've had longer in this industry too, so 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:49.080 you're gonna have more critics coming against you, and I 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:51.520 might sometime in the future too, and also I'm more 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:53.679 of a jackass. Let's be honest, I think that's what 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:57.840 it is. Were you always that confident? But I'm not. 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:02.320 I'm so not in parts of my life. The only 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:04.960 thing that I know I'm good at is this and 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:07.880 I'm the best at it. And then other than that, 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:11.959 I am so insecure. Can I ask you a question 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:14.120 whatever you want? Do you ever feel like you get 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:16.960 that impostor syndrome? Because you feel like there's parts of 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:18.640 your life where you don't feel like that, but here 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:23.240 and when you're creative, that confidence comes through completely. I 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:28.040 live imposter of that. My career life was a pie 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:31.160 and most of its imposter syndrome, just because I shouldn't. 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:33.080 I don't feel like I'm that talented whereaf when I 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:36.840 hear you and I know all that you've gone through 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:38.480 to get to this point, and all the pivots that 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:41.040 you've taken in different roads have gotten you here, and 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:43.480 those roads have gotten you here, But I feel like 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:45.280 you are talented and you've picked up a lot of 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:47.640 things along the way, And I go, mam Adan's so good, 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:50.800 she's so talented, Like you have a literal talent. I 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:53.000 get a find and people say I'm talented. I know 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:55.160 it's a weird thing, therapy thing, but I'm like, I'm 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:56.520 not talented. I've just worked hard, and you're telling me 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:58.680 I don't work very hard because I'm not talented? Were you? 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:00.880 I know you're super talented, but also know how hard 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:03.880 you've worked, But you have a talent. If you were 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:06.720 taken out of here and thrown into Albuquerque tomorrow, you 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:09.560 could still work and sing and have a career in Albuquerque. Me, 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:11.760 I'm done, I've got nothing. I'm out of here. I 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:13.480 wouldn't say that I've Built've climbed a ladder, and if 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:15.040 I fall lader, there no more steps back up. They've 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:16.880 cut all the steps out underneath me as I've climbed up. 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:21.440 So when did you? But I mean, I sincerely mean it. 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:23.880 Um How what? How do you sing jazz? What does 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:28.440 that mean? It's different tones and tambers in your voice. 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:30.719 So I mean, do you want me to give you 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:32.840 an example? You don't have to ask you to sing 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:34.600 because I know you've traveled. I mean, I don't mind, 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:37.120 it helps explain it better, I would If you don't mind, 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:39.640 I would love it. So I grew up on Ella Fitzgerald, 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:44.240 Frank Sinatra, at A James Dave Rebecca, And there is 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:49.880 a certain uh learning how to combine the improvisation of 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:53.600 jazz with also structure, um, because you can sometimes do 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:57.240 whatever the hell you want in jazz and everyone's like, yeah, babadaba, 0:13:57.360 --> 0:13:59.800 and that's jazz, but there is a structure to it. 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:03.079 I think that's what a lot of people don't see. Um. 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:05.600 And so for instance, what I loved in Ella Fantzgerald's 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:07.840 voice is that she had this tone was that was 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:10.200 super rich, but also she has this timber that a 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:14.160 lot of operatic people do with more space in between, 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:17.319 but when you have jazz, it's closer in between. So 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:21.880 how you would do it is um dree a little 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:26.960 dre of me like that, So it's quicker where opera 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:30.320 it's way more space in between. Pop you don't really 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:32.480 see it that much. Country you can see it sometimes 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:35.680 you say space in between, space in between the verbrato 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:40.760 going on in between your voice. And so you train 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:44.840 to do that in jazz to have you can the 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:46.680 way I trained myself as I just listened to it 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:49.480 a lot, I taught myself. Can you listen to music 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:51.840 and do you have a good ear Like with instruments. 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:53.960 I know you play piano. Can you listen here? Can 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:57.400 you hear something and translate it almost immediately? Oh? Yeah, 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:00.600 I mean I would definitely consider myself even a producer 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:02.720 in that sense that I can pick up things pretty 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:04.560 easily when I listened to them. When did you realize 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:06.640 as a kid that you it came a little easier 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:08.320 to you than it did other people that were trying 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:11.440 to play piano or just do music randomly. I was 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:16.520 probably like eight or nine, I started picking up piano quicker, 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:21.080 and uh, just picking up jazz piano. It is specifically 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:24.440 quicker than than I probably should have. Um, I didn't 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:26.760 know that I was good at music though. I It 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.640 wasn't something that I thought to myself, like, wow, I 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:32.120 sound good. I remember wanting to try out for Star 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:35.360 Search when I was like five and trying to learn 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:38.320 a Mariah Carey song and it was failing epically, And 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:40.240 then I was like, no, I don't think I can 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:41.840 try out for Star Search because I don't think I 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:44.520 actually thought I was good. But I worked hard at it, 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:47.680 and I think when there's a certain level of talent 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:49.960 and you work hard, it's just a good combination. So 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:52.600 do you water? Oh? I have one? Oh? You do? Okay? 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:54.560 Just making sure do I sound dry mouthy? You do not. 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:56.920 But when you I'm grateful that you would show me 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:59.240 that with your voice, because I never want to require 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:01.120 that because obviously you're traveling and or just you're talking 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:02.680 and I didn't tell you, And then I was like, 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:04.120 I to make sure you have water if I'm you're 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:06.080 singing here. Oh no, I just want to make sure 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:08.880 you're good. Yeah, no, no, no no, I'm fine. I love 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:12.360 singing any I'll take any excuse to sing. I'm not 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:17.560 snobby about it. Are you someone? Because as your star 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:21.320 has risen at least here in this town in the past, 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:23.920 I would say six months a year or so when people, 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:26.320 you know, reals are popping people knowing about you. Are 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:28.440 you doing different things to take care of your voice, 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:31.160 You're learning things or are you still kind of the 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:33.480 same You're just gonna do how you do it. No, 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:36.680 I've had to start taking care of it. So before 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:38.880 I moved to Nashville, when I was living in Houston, 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:42.800 I was singing as my job. This was my full 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:45.720 time job. I sang four or five hours a night, 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:49.400 almost four or five nights a week. Huh doing what 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:53.000 what are you singing? Just singing anything pop, country, jazz, 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:59.560 maroon five, Frank Sinatra, where just in jazz bars, steakhouses. 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:01.600 I'm that was my bread and butter. That's how I 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:05.119 put myself to college. That's how I learned how to 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:08.120 be a really good singer and support myself doing it. 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:10.600 It wasn't the most glamorous thing in the world. But 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:13.399 I think when I was doing that, your voice is 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:17.040 a muscle. So Olympic runners, I mean they can run 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:18.960 miles and miles and miles and they don't get tired. 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:22.120 But it's because they've trained their body to do that. Um, 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:25.720 same thing with a voice, Like, if you train yourself 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:27.920 to sing and protect it the whole time, you can 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:30.119 sing four or five hours a night. And I honestly 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:33.760 wasn't even getting tired. I was just stretching this muscle 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:36.680 as far as it could go and learning how to 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:39.240 protect it at the same time. So now what I 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:43.320 do is cold water therapy. I love the whim Hoff method. Um. Actually, 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:46.760 just try a sauna situation this morning where you go 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:49.720 into a chamber. It's kind of a nightmare for anyone 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:52.399 that's claustrophobic. But I tried it today and I loved it. 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:55.199 So is a sauna situation a sauna? I don't understand it. 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:57.480 I mean, I think it's a sauna. You know what 0:17:57.520 --> 0:17:59.480 I'm talking about where you go into that chamber and 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:02.359 then you're kind of like covered from the chest down 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:06.280 and you can't is not that must be? Is it 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:09.600 cold or hot? It's super hot? You eve heard because 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:11.600 I listen. I know you made fun of me the 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:14.400 coffee thing. We have a sona here too, do you really? Yeah? 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:17.800 But it's not it's not your you must have gone 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:21.000 to some specialized I think it's a specialized son it's 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:26.800 new new technology. I don't know that. I wasn't well. 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:29.000 Apparently it's good for your voice. And then also I've 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:32.080 been drinking and eating a lot of pasta as a celebration, 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:34.240 and I'm gonna have to fit into this address for 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:36.360 the CMAS next week, and I'm like, I'll sweat out 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:43.800 all of this is as such as I can. Yeah, 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:48.399 you talk about your record, which is out um and 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:51.479 something that I constantly have to reevaluate is again I'll 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:53.399 go back to the word voice, like what do I 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:54.560 stand for? What do I want to say? Who do 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:55.720 I want to say it to? How do I want 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:58.280 to say it? It's what is my perspective? Right? This 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:00.399 is something I'm cont it mine changes too as I 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:02.440 get older, as I meet new people, as my mind 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:06.600 is open to, like what is your voice? Like? Who? 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:09.639 What's what is it? What? What's your perspective? What? What? 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:11.000 What is your deal? What do you want to do? 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:13.080 How do you want to do? I've never really had 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:15.600 anyone asked me that before, but I feel like people 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:19.320 just get the gist, but there's actually an answer to this, 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:21.120 which I'm glad you asked me this because I feel 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:23.000 like I could go more in depth with my answer. 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:26.680 But I think because of my background, I'm a true 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:34.880 believer in inclusivity in in every aspect, whether that be belief, systems, genders, um, 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:37.920 no matter where you come from, no matter what your races. UM. 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:40.000 I was very fortunate to grow up the way I did, 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:41.840 but I know a lot of people weren't, and a 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:45.000 lot of people see a lot of oppression and um 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:49.199 just polarizing anything, especially in this society and especially with 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:54.000 social media and technology right now. And so my message 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:58.320 is to push loving everyone and just showing that inclusivity 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:01.200 not only in my songwriting, but even in just like 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:04.159 I think this is a weird futuristic country record. I 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:06.920 you see little bits of R and B in motown 0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:09.440 and songs like Forehead Kisses, but it still sounds like 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:12.119 a Brooks and Done song because there's slide guitar on 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:14.960 it and steal. You hear these elements of true, true 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:16.560 country and too much of a good thing and why 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:20.760 I'm calling, and you hear you know, different sounds across 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:23.800 the board, And I think that's even showing some inclusivity too, 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:27.879 because it's showing a broad spectrum of of genres and cultures. 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:30.399 And so I just want to show people, especially in 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:33.400 this day and age, that you can become a stronger 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:36.840 person by digging deep and going through the pain. I 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:39.000 think there's a lot of things to distract us right 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:40.960 now from doing that. I'm not even just talking like 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:44.360 substances and alcohol. I'm literally talking about even our phones 0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:47.520 or shopping or just things that distract us from going 0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:49.800 through hard things in our life. And the reason why 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:52.440 I've gotten to this place that I've gone through or 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:54.760 that I am right now, is because I've gone through 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:56.800 this really really really hard ship in my life and 0:20:56.840 --> 0:20:59.760 a lot of abuse, and instead of running from it 0:20:59.840 --> 0:21:02.919 like I used to, now I'm doing the things that 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:05.000 I need to do, the heart work. I'm going to therapy, 0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:07.360 I'm making sure i'm building my community around me, making 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:09.520 sure I'm pouring into my family as much as I can. 0:21:10.040 --> 0:21:11.800 And it's made me a stronger person, and I want 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:14.280 people to see that. So that's kind of the message 0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:16.760 that I'm I don't know if that totally answered this question, 0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:19.560 but it doesn't in a way. And I've already say 0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:22.359 a few things that resonate with me where and you 0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:24.720 can tell me if it is somewhat similar for you. 0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:27.480 I used to be very resentful at how I grew up. 0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:29.680 You know, my mom was an addict when she died 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:31.200 in her forty as my dad left when I was young, 0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:33.480 I was welfare kids, food stamp, kid trail, the part 0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:36.359 kid whatever, all these things, and I used to hate it. 0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:37.960 I used to be so ashamed of it, and I 0:21:38.040 --> 0:21:40.760 used to be someone who resented it. And I never 0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:42.679 had a dad, and all these things happened to me, 0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:46.040 and I was just angry and sad. However, I got 0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:50.120 to a point where I started to appreciate it because 0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:54.520 I'm glad all of that happened now because one talk 0:21:54.560 --> 0:21:57.439 about developing a muscle, and to the tool that I 0:21:57.480 --> 0:22:00.360 have that I use the most as empathy, and I'm 0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:02.919 so fortunate to have that, and I wouldn't have gotten 0:22:03.040 --> 0:22:06.320 in any other way, Like you can't. That doesn't happen 0:22:06.359 --> 0:22:08.760 unless you go through all of that. And so now 0:22:08.920 --> 0:22:14.040 there's I do see that. I was fortunate to have 0:22:14.119 --> 0:22:17.320 that happen and get through it and be able to go, Okay, 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:18.680 I see it, and I only trying to make sure 0:22:18.680 --> 0:22:21.720 that doesn't happen and with other people if I can 0:22:22.040 --> 0:22:25.320 end the next generation. I mean, like we carry the 0:22:25.400 --> 0:22:27.879 things that our parents do into our life, and you 0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:31.119 have a choice to break those generational curses and to 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:34.679 break those barriers, you know, like my kids are not 0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:36.640 going to deal with my kids, whether I have them 0:22:36.640 --> 0:22:39.800 biologically or adopt or whatever. That looks like it starts 0:22:39.800 --> 0:22:41.560 with me. It starts and it ends with me, and 0:22:41.720 --> 0:22:43.399 that's I'm not carrying that over. And it sounds like 0:22:43.440 --> 0:22:46.160 that's kind of the philosophy you have in your life too. Yeah, 0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:48.800 I think so, I mean, I know. So it's when 0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:50.960 it comes to my life. Obviously, I look at me different. 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:52.160 I look at you know what, I'm like, Hey, that's awesome. 0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:53.879 Look at you should be so proud and you look 0:22:53.880 --> 0:22:56.960 at your stuff like you know, but I now am 0:22:57.040 --> 0:22:58.800 proud of it. And as you talk about, did you 0:22:58.840 --> 0:23:01.760 have a stage where you're like, you know what sucks 0:23:01.760 --> 0:23:04.159 for me? It's difficult right now? And did you ever 0:23:04.240 --> 0:23:06.240 hit a point where you you're now you where you 0:23:06.280 --> 0:23:08.439 look back and go, oh, I've learned from all this. 0:23:08.440 --> 0:23:10.480 This is the greatest teaching set ever. Was it always 0:23:10.480 --> 0:23:14.960 as positive with you? Definitely? Not? Um, I mean this 0:23:15.040 --> 0:23:17.320 is kind of I would say, even a more recent 0:23:18.000 --> 0:23:21.800 uh attitude that I walk around with. I would say, 0:23:21.800 --> 0:23:23.960 over the last maybe three or four years, it's been 0:23:24.000 --> 0:23:27.159 like this. It's when I really started digging into you know, 0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:30.400 therapy and and trying to figure out how I need 0:23:30.400 --> 0:23:33.240 to take my past traumas and learn how to live 0:23:33.280 --> 0:23:40.040 with them. Um. I'm trying to think of when I 0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:42.520 didn't think that way? Was there anything specific to happen 0:23:42.600 --> 0:23:45.040 that kind of flipped your mind? Therapy was a big 0:23:45.080 --> 0:23:46.560 part for me too. I I didn't know what therapy 0:23:46.640 --> 0:23:49.080 was growing up, and then I started to go only 0:23:49.080 --> 0:23:52.280 because they offered it as part of like insurance, and 0:23:52.280 --> 0:23:53.760 I was like, what is therapy? We didn't we have 0:23:53.800 --> 0:23:56.199 therapy where I came from just worried about eating, you know, 0:23:56.960 --> 0:23:58.080 And so I was like, I got to therapy, what 0:23:58.440 --> 0:24:00.800 is this? And I went and it it comes plately, 0:24:01.240 --> 0:24:09.080 I would say, revolutionize my approach to perspective. And I 0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:11.359 understand it's a silly concept, Like if I try to 0:24:11.400 --> 0:24:14.800 explain it to people that also are not familiar with therapy, 0:24:15.280 --> 0:24:17.879 you know it. It's it's not just going into a 0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:19.920 room and being like blah blah blah blah blah, here's 0:24:19.920 --> 0:24:21.800 my problems, and they're like, cool, here's the check, have 0:24:21.880 --> 0:24:24.520 a good day. I don't know. I feel like there 0:24:24.600 --> 0:24:27.640 was a time in my life, um probably leading up 0:24:27.680 --> 0:24:30.479 to when I started digging in that I was just 0:24:30.920 --> 0:24:34.480 noticing a lot of patterns of falling back into past demons. 0:24:34.640 --> 0:24:38.120 And I feel like I have a very addictive personality. 0:24:38.200 --> 0:24:40.320 I've seen that kind of be a string in my life, 0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:44.399 and that's something that I've seen, you know, past generations 0:24:44.400 --> 0:24:47.320 in my family deal with. And I really feel like 0:24:47.359 --> 0:24:50.639 it must have been not even a crazy rock bottom. 0:24:50.680 --> 0:24:52.919 I think it's just when I started seeing it hurting 0:24:52.920 --> 0:24:56.119 the people around me, like my family and um, people 0:24:56.160 --> 0:24:59.080 that really cared about me and wanted to see me 0:24:59.119 --> 0:25:02.360 out of this. And don't get me wrong, I mean 0:25:02.560 --> 0:25:04.639 there's been a lot of things. I also come from 0:25:04.680 --> 0:25:07.960 a fatherless home. He was pretty abusive in our life, 0:25:08.000 --> 0:25:10.680 and um, you know, it was tough to deal with. 0:25:10.800 --> 0:25:13.160 But and I'm the oldest of five, so I kind 0:25:13.200 --> 0:25:16.720 of took over as like this weird mom role to 0:25:16.840 --> 0:25:19.439 my siblings along with my mom, and me and my 0:25:19.480 --> 0:25:21.919 mom are survivors. You know, we've we've dealt with a 0:25:21.920 --> 0:25:24.919 lot of ship. But I think it's kind of just 0:25:25.359 --> 0:25:28.960 an annoying pattern of me seeing that and using my 0:25:29.160 --> 0:25:32.520 trauma or my abuse as an excuse to be like, actually, 0:25:32.560 --> 0:25:34.720 I want to drop five thousand dollars even though I 0:25:34.720 --> 0:25:37.280 know I don't have the funds to do this, or 0:25:37.320 --> 0:25:39.320 I should be saving for something like a house or 0:25:39.440 --> 0:25:43.000 college or whatever. Or seeing myself like going to weed, 0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:46.560 or seeing myself going to alcohol or whatever, and deciding 0:25:46.680 --> 0:25:49.240 I want to find a way to manipulate these patterns 0:25:49.240 --> 0:25:50.879 to where I don't have to fall back into this 0:25:50.920 --> 0:25:54.200 because I'm seeing myself in my father's shadow right now, 0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:56.399 I think that's probably more so what it was is 0:25:56.440 --> 0:26:01.000 seeing myself and my dad and not wanting to be him. Yeah, 0:26:01.040 --> 0:26:03.600 that's what scares me because I don't I got married 0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:05.320 a year and a half or so ago for the 0:26:05.359 --> 0:26:11.080 first time and we don't have kids yet. But it 0:26:11.119 --> 0:26:13.240 scares me to death because I saw I didn't see 0:26:13.240 --> 0:26:15.679 my dad, but I saw what happened there, and I'm like, 0:26:15.680 --> 0:26:18.159 what if I'm not like and I go to I 0:26:18.200 --> 0:26:20.760 have a lot a lot of therapy, and it's like, 0:26:20.760 --> 0:26:22.320 I don't have to be that. I'm I've broken the 0:26:22.359 --> 0:26:26.239 cycle and every other way. Why do I Why do 0:26:26.320 --> 0:26:28.560 I just attach myself to that one? Like what if 0:26:28.600 --> 0:26:30.800 I have a kid? I'm like, hey, I'm out, and 0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:35.080 I don't think that, but he did that so well. 0:26:35.119 --> 0:26:36.720 The funny thing is like, you know you're not going 0:26:36.800 --> 0:26:39.239 to be like that too, Like deep down, yes, my 0:26:39.280 --> 0:26:43.600 brain says, look at the data. For sure, you will 0:26:43.640 --> 0:26:45.800 not be like that because of every other way that 0:26:45.840 --> 0:26:48.320 you've changed your life. However, there's just something in trance, 0:26:48.400 --> 0:26:49.760 in my in my heart and my gun. That's all. 0:26:50.080 --> 0:26:51.960 This is just I'm just scared and it kind of 0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:55.400 overrides all the all the systems. Yeah, no, I feel that. 0:26:55.480 --> 0:26:59.240 Thank you for sharing that too. That's very vulnerable. You know, 0:26:59.280 --> 0:27:02.639 I live a life of vulnerability. That is what I do. Uh, 0:27:02.760 --> 0:27:06.480 your family musical growing up? Yes, I um, all of 0:27:06.520 --> 0:27:09.040 my siblings are musical. So the brother right under me, 0:27:09.160 --> 0:27:11.880 his name is Mica Edwards and he's still based in Houston, 0:27:12.560 --> 0:27:16.359 and he has coined himself the title Mr. Texas Soul 0:27:16.880 --> 0:27:19.640 and so he'll go around. You know. He's very much 0:27:19.680 --> 0:27:22.600 like a cross between Leon Bridges and Charlie Crockett. Has 0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:25.639 an incredible band with steel guitar and a horn section. 0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:27.840 He actually just opened for the War and Treaty last 0:27:27.840 --> 0:27:30.679 week in Houston, and um, he definitely follows in that 0:27:30.800 --> 0:27:34.679 lane of the Gary Clark Jr. Abraham Alexander world. And 0:27:34.800 --> 0:27:37.720 he's incredible. And um, my middle brother is out in 0:27:37.840 --> 0:27:40.760 l A pursuing acting in music as well, so creative 0:27:41.720 --> 0:27:45.560 like arts filled family. Yeah, I bet that's awesome sometimes 0:27:45.600 --> 0:27:48.840 and also yeah really ann yeah, yeah, I mean I 0:27:48.880 --> 0:27:50.880 can see where you can relate. But also it's kind 0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:55.119 of it's the double edged sword. So do you guys 0:27:55.119 --> 0:27:59.119 ever just get together? Go? Nobody talks about music or art. No, 0:27:59.359 --> 0:28:02.800 we love it, We bond over it. It's something that 0:28:02.840 --> 0:28:05.040 when we're together, it's kind of like a language of ours, 0:28:05.080 --> 0:28:07.359 like did you hear this? Tim and Paula record No, 0:28:07.560 --> 0:28:09.240 let me okay, da da da da, and then we'll 0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:11.600 just put it on and we'll analyze the music together 0:28:11.640 --> 0:28:14.320 in the room. It's kind of weird actually, now that 0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:16.760 I'm saying that out loud, But so all you three 0:28:16.760 --> 0:28:18.920 are very musical. But your mom did she have music 0:28:18.920 --> 0:28:23.760 in the house. Yes, we were exposed to classical music, 0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:28.640 early jazz, like the people I was saying before um seventies, 0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:32.560 music like the Beatles and Bread and the b Gs 0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:36.119 and not very modern stuff. My mom didn't really like 0:28:36.200 --> 0:28:39.120 modern music, and so I actually didn't even know about 0:28:39.200 --> 0:28:43.040 artists like Britney Spears or Christina Aguilar until I was 0:28:43.280 --> 0:28:46.920 in middle school, which is wild. I felt sheltered. Get 0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:48.800 to a radio yourself somehow, that's how Is that how 0:28:48.800 --> 0:28:51.080 you found it? Like somebody else having a radio? Oh yeah, 0:28:51.080 --> 0:28:52.400 I think I like just rode with one of my 0:28:52.440 --> 0:28:54.200 friends in the car one day and I'm like, what 0:28:54.440 --> 0:28:56.400 is this and they're like, oh, this is Britney Spears, 0:28:56.600 --> 0:29:01.640 Like this doesn't sound very jazzy. What what's the difference 0:29:01.760 --> 0:29:04.880 now because I know or November now, last month you 0:29:04.880 --> 0:29:07.200 get signed at Warner was the last month, So what's 0:29:07.200 --> 0:29:10.400 the what what has happened since then? Because you obviously 0:29:10.400 --> 0:29:13.760 get signed, but then like what what happens every day? 0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:17.040 That's different. I mean, this whole year has been moving fast, 0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:18.960 so it's it's just kind of a lot of the 0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:22.600 same stuff. However, it's really cool because this music video 0:29:22.640 --> 0:29:25.640 that we're putting out tomorrow, gosh, it's already out. You 0:29:25.680 --> 0:29:28.800 can find it right now. I need to keep saying 0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:32.360 that the music video that's out right now, Mama Dolly Jesus. 0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:36.640 I mean, it looks expensive and it's incredible because I've 0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:39.880 I've never made work like this before, and it's kind 0:29:39.880 --> 0:29:43.680 of cool just having that associated with my music and 0:29:43.920 --> 0:29:47.120 my image now because that's always the level I've wanted 0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:48.960 to be at and that's something that I've been chasing 0:29:49.040 --> 0:29:51.480 my whole life, and to see it in this capacity 0:29:51.560 --> 0:29:54.040 now is a lot different. So life is kind of 0:29:54.040 --> 0:30:00.320 stayed the same in terms of dizziness, but everything is elevated. Yeah, 0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:08.400 now you have people with more influence working to hopefully 0:30:08.400 --> 0:30:10.640 put you into place to succeed. Yeah, that's pretty cool. 0:30:10.760 --> 0:30:12.120 That means. You know why I mean and why it's 0:30:12.160 --> 0:30:14.400 cool is they only have so much time and so 0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:16.920 much money, and in the fact they're spending both on 0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:21.840 you means that there's a belief in you. I mean, 0:30:21.840 --> 0:30:24.640 that's what it is. I mean, they have limited time, 0:30:24.680 --> 0:30:26.400 limited money. They're gonna only pick the limited amount of 0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:28.840 people to spend both on, and they have not chosen 0:30:28.880 --> 0:30:30.960 you to spend some time and money on. Yeah. Pressure, 0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:34.080 yeah right, but still you give me all the pressure 0:30:34.360 --> 0:30:37.080 because I've earned the pressure and I've been working hard 0:30:37.120 --> 0:30:39.280 to feel the pressure. And that's some pressure, then feel good. 0:30:39.280 --> 0:30:41.080 But I'd rather have pressure than no pressure, because no 0:30:41.080 --> 0:30:46.400 pressure means nobody, nobody cares. No, that's yeah, I mean 0:30:46.560 --> 0:30:49.320 that that's people. You know. Ask me about being nervous 0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:51.160 a lot when I was working on American Idol. It 0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:52.280 was really one of the things I worked with the 0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:54.440 contestants on most or like how how do you not 0:30:54.480 --> 0:30:58.040 be nervous? And it's just been a common theme of man, 0:30:58.080 --> 0:31:01.080 you should be happy you're nervous. Imagine you're never nervous. 0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:02.440 That means not that matters. I mean, d you get 0:31:02.520 --> 0:31:05.280 a shot at anything? Like you you only have so 0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:06.800 many times in your life that you get to be 0:31:07.320 --> 0:31:10.920 positively nervous, for sure, because most offs were nervous. It's 0:31:10.960 --> 0:31:13.479 like somebody's sick, somebody's But think about you get to go, 0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:15.200 you have a shot, you get to feel you get 0:31:15.240 --> 0:31:17.360 to feel nervous. Here's your gift with a bow on it. 0:31:17.560 --> 0:31:20.880 Nerves congratulations. Now here's what you do with it, Like 0:31:20.920 --> 0:31:22.920 it's one of the greatest gifts. Same thing as pressure. Yeah, 0:31:22.960 --> 0:31:25.000 it's one of the greatest gifts. It's a weird gift 0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:30.040 because then feel good. But I I appreciate you saying that. 0:31:30.880 --> 0:31:33.280 I had an interesting conversation with someone a couple of 0:31:33.320 --> 0:31:36.720 days ago that was very similar to that philosophy. Her 0:31:36.800 --> 0:31:39.560 name's Monica Earnshaw, and she was actually my boxing coach 0:31:39.600 --> 0:31:42.680 in Houston, and I saw her in Houston a few 0:31:42.720 --> 0:31:44.920 days ago and she told me, you know, what are 0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:48.320 you feeling with all this happening so quickly? And I 0:31:48.400 --> 0:31:50.800 told her, you know, some days it feels really amazing, 0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:52.480 and then some days it's happening so fast that I 0:31:52.520 --> 0:31:54.560 don't feel like I'm adjusting well. Like I feel like 0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:56.400 a lot of things are falling through the cracks. I'm 0:31:56.640 --> 0:31:59.000 forgetting to respond to some people because there's just so 0:31:59.040 --> 0:32:01.520 many people to spawned too or whatever. I feel like 0:32:01.560 --> 0:32:04.880 I'm failing at it. And all she said to me was, 0:32:05.520 --> 0:32:08.400 you've been given a gift and your only job now 0:32:08.480 --> 0:32:11.040 is to just honor it, and that's it. And I 0:32:11.200 --> 0:32:13.520 it was the most simple advice. And now I feel 0:32:13.520 --> 0:32:15.760 like I'm just going to carry that and this into 0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:19.080 the rest of whatever happens from here on out, because 0:32:19.600 --> 0:32:22.320 it's just that simple. You just honor the gift. I 0:32:22.320 --> 0:32:24.720 would get really tired and I would go and be 0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:26.720 flying all over and just shoot a show here we 0:32:26.720 --> 0:32:28.240 was shot a show in another country of doing the 0:32:28.320 --> 0:32:30.680 radio show every day, and I'll be so tired, and 0:32:30.800 --> 0:32:32.800 I would have to remind myself how lucky it might 0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:35.160 have be this exhausted doing what I want to do. 0:32:35.920 --> 0:32:38.760 Like my you know, my my mom got married again 0:32:38.840 --> 0:32:40.200 later in life, and she was married for a few 0:32:40.240 --> 0:32:42.600 years to my stepdad for a few years before she 0:32:42.680 --> 0:32:45.600 passed away, and he worked at a sawmill. He was tired. 0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:48.760 But there's a difference. I'm tired, you're tired. We get 0:32:48.760 --> 0:32:51.360 to do we get we're tired at like going after 0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:54.320 the thing we've always wanted to go after, and that is, 0:32:55.320 --> 0:32:56.920 and after I have to remind myself that I'm not 0:32:56.960 --> 0:32:58.720 reminding you. Sometimes I'm talking myself into this and go, 0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:01.720 you're really freaking lucky to be tired, Like stop complaining. 0:33:01.920 --> 0:33:03.000 And then I'm like, why are you talking to yourself 0:33:03.040 --> 0:33:04.240 in the mirror? You can just think these thoughts and 0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:05.480 it's a whole thing where then I make fun of 0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:07.880 myself out loud, and you know, we have yeah, and 0:33:07.880 --> 0:33:10.600 then we take a bath. It's all um, So I 0:33:10.640 --> 0:33:14.320 do want to play Mama Dolly Jesus. Now that being said, legally, 0:33:14.760 --> 0:33:16.480 if we play more than five seconds, we get sued, 0:33:16.960 --> 0:33:19.080 not by you really, Yeah, but they have all these 0:33:19.160 --> 0:33:21.080 rules now on podcasts and music. And we used to 0:33:21.080 --> 0:33:23.360 be considered an editorial podcast, but now any podcast you 0:33:23.360 --> 0:33:25.400 play for five seconds, you go to jail apparently. So 0:33:25.680 --> 0:33:29.200 we're gonna we're gonna do two five second clips. We'll 0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:30.680 talk for a second and go back into it. Can 0:33:30.720 --> 0:33:33.200 we do that, Mike? Yeah? All right, Here is Mama 0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:41.320 Dolly Jesus. You ain't dollars Jesus. All right, So we'll 0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:43.560 talk for us just a second here and just talk 0:33:43.600 --> 0:33:45.280 about Look at that there's a tree outside the window, 0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:54.280 all right, Mike, give me a little bit more. Jesus, 0:33:54.320 --> 0:33:56.200 what's the video? What is it? Yeah, like what you 0:33:56.240 --> 0:33:57.600 said it was that they spend a bunch of money on. 0:33:57.600 --> 0:33:59.200 It looks cool at your vision, Like, what is it? 0:33:59.240 --> 0:34:02.720 What's man? It's so cool. It's one I've never seen 0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:05.400 a video like this, especially in the country music space, 0:34:06.040 --> 0:34:07.760 and now that it's out, I can talk about it. 0:34:07.840 --> 0:34:11.680 But it's basically this concept that me and my girlfriends 0:34:12.200 --> 0:34:14.719 we're super confident in who we are. We board this 0:34:14.800 --> 0:34:17.799 train with a bunch of tired, angry people that are 0:34:18.360 --> 0:34:21.440 that don't love themselves well, but they see us and 0:34:21.480 --> 0:34:24.560 they see us in all this confidence and it's infectious 0:34:24.600 --> 0:34:27.440 and it takes over the entire train. And at the 0:34:27.560 --> 0:34:30.800 end of the video, you know, we get this amazing surprise. 0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:33.000 We have a drag dolly in the in the video, 0:34:33.160 --> 0:34:36.560 and it's incredible because I'm talking about Jesus and also 0:34:36.600 --> 0:34:38.640 having a drag dolly in the video at the same time, 0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:41.160 which I mean that could piss people off. I don't 0:34:41.160 --> 0:34:44.000 really care if it does, but honestly, it's just promoting 0:34:44.040 --> 0:34:46.840 more of the inclusivity. But also it's just this really 0:34:46.880 --> 0:34:48.799 it's this really fun video. I don't. I think it's 0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:51.600 totally positive and it's not meant to be divisive or 0:34:51.600 --> 0:34:54.719 controversial at all. I feel like it's really fun and 0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:58.120 positive and really trying to get people to feel confident 0:34:58.239 --> 0:35:00.920 and love themselves well and so then they'll be able 0:35:01.000 --> 0:35:04.680 to love other people well as as Wow, well as well. 0:35:06.560 --> 0:35:09.440 How is the operation? When I saw, because I you know, 0:35:09.440 --> 0:35:11.399 I spent a lot of time at the opera your 0:35:11.440 --> 0:35:13.640 debut a couple of months ago. Yeah, I saw it 0:35:13.680 --> 0:35:15.399 pop up on the Instagram. I wasn't there that night, 0:35:15.440 --> 0:35:18.600 but it's pretty cool. Huh. Yeah. It was nerve wracking. 0:35:19.239 --> 0:35:22.360 There's cameras in your face all day, they're always you know. 0:35:22.480 --> 0:35:25.040 That makes makes me a little more nervous. But it 0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:27.040 was really cool. My mom got to be there and 0:35:27.080 --> 0:35:29.799 I sang why I'm calling, which is about her, and 0:35:29.880 --> 0:35:32.839 she lives in California now doing she's actually a child 0:35:32.920 --> 0:35:36.319 psychologist as well. But um, I just missed her. I'm 0:35:36.360 --> 0:35:38.640 I'm doing a lot of big things in my career 0:35:38.719 --> 0:35:40.719 that honestly I wouldn't be able to do if she 0:35:40.800 --> 0:35:43.640 didn't raise me and protect me the way she did. 0:35:44.239 --> 0:35:47.080 And so it's kind of sad her missing out on 0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:49.560 all these really big life events just because we're so 0:35:49.640 --> 0:35:52.399 far away, and you know, she's working in California right now, 0:35:52.480 --> 0:35:54.840 but um, she got to be there and that was 0:35:54.880 --> 0:35:57.759 really special for me. And I was probably crying from 0:35:57.800 --> 0:36:00.000 you know, the minute I woke up to the minute 0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:02.040 I want to sleep, just because I was so grateful. 0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:06.839 That's cool. Was she crying obviously? Yeah? Do you see 0:36:06.880 --> 0:36:10.080 you and her? I do. I see more of myself 0:36:10.160 --> 0:36:12.840 and my mom than and my dad. For sure. She's 0:36:12.880 --> 0:36:16.920 a really giving, loving person, and I think she actually 0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:19.600 believes the best and a lot of people and builds 0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:21.799 them up well. And I've always wanted to be like that. 0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:23.680 I think I'm starting to see myself be like that 0:36:23.800 --> 0:36:29.160 more so. You are you feel like you're maturing? Do 0:36:29.160 --> 0:36:31.360 you feel like I mean, I'm old as crap. I 0:36:31.480 --> 0:36:34.360 better be maturing by now. Yeah, but there are plays 0:36:34.400 --> 0:36:37.000 I'm eight years old in some ways still. Yeah. You know, 0:36:37.160 --> 0:36:39.920 I don't think age and maturation. I don't think they 0:36:39.920 --> 0:36:42.080 always go hand in hand. That's true. There are some 0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:44.640 parts of my life where again I'm nine, and my 0:36:44.680 --> 0:36:47.359 wife and in serious and joking, she's like, look, you've 0:36:47.880 --> 0:36:49.720 there are certain parts of your life where you froze 0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:53.480 certain parts of your um you know, psychological lives and 0:36:53.520 --> 0:36:56.239 parts of my emotional There's there are some trauma there 0:36:56.280 --> 0:36:57.879 that just said, all right, we're gonna put a stop 0:36:57.880 --> 0:37:00.400 sign here and we're just gonna stop into you have 0:37:00.480 --> 0:37:04.319 to uncomfortably go through the top sign. Yeah, I get that, 0:37:04.560 --> 0:37:06.520 and I'm Peter Pan and Peter Pan in a lot 0:37:06.560 --> 0:37:09.359 of ways. I mean, I'm still a kid in some 0:37:09.400 --> 0:37:12.240 ways like that. That's why I'm in therapy. But yes, 0:37:12.719 --> 0:37:14.799 I feel like I'm a cheering a little bit. Did 0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:17.320 you always know what you wanted to do? Yes? Because 0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:19.120 I always knew, and it was it was weird to 0:37:19.160 --> 0:37:21.240 me the people didn't. And your let's say you're seven, 0:37:21.760 --> 0:37:24.320 what do you want to do when you were seven? Music? 0:37:25.080 --> 0:37:26.680 Did you want to do this when you were ever? 0:37:26.920 --> 0:37:28.720 There are three things I wanted to do. I wanted 0:37:28.760 --> 0:37:30.800 to be on the radio, on TV, and be a 0:37:30.800 --> 0:37:33.200 stand up comedian, and I do all three. But I've 0:37:33.280 --> 0:37:36.040 always the create. I just would look at people be like, 0:37:36.120 --> 0:37:37.799 what do you mean you don't know what you want 0:37:37.840 --> 0:37:40.400 to do? I just didn't understand the concept of not 0:37:40.560 --> 0:37:44.400 I knew immediately, but you too. Isn't it crazy that 0:37:44.440 --> 0:37:47.160 we actually get to do it, though, there's like maybe 0:37:47.280 --> 0:37:49.440 two percent of people that actually get to say that 0:37:49.480 --> 0:37:54.439 they and entertainment specifically, because your odds are even small. 0:37:54.719 --> 0:37:56.960 You think your odds are small in the real world, 0:37:56.960 --> 0:37:59.440 they're even smaller in the world of entertainment. So the 0:37:59.440 --> 0:38:02.279 fact that we're getting to do this is wild. When 0:38:02.280 --> 0:38:05.200 you wanted to do music, let's say you're seventeen, different 0:38:05.200 --> 0:38:07.279 stage alive, you still want to do music, But what 0:38:07.400 --> 0:38:09.279 what did that mean to you as a teenager when 0:38:09.320 --> 0:38:12.920 you wanted to do music. I had to kind of 0:38:12.920 --> 0:38:16.759 buck up and and figure out how that was going 0:38:16.840 --> 0:38:20.480 to be a career transition or start a career with that, 0:38:20.520 --> 0:38:22.880 because obviously when I was seventeen, I was actually I 0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:26.879 started playing in jazz bars when I was fourteen. So 0:38:26.920 --> 0:38:29.960 you when you say music, did you want to sing specifically, 0:38:30.400 --> 0:38:33.640 or was it I wanted to sing. I wanted to 0:38:33.840 --> 0:38:37.000 be a songwriter. I wanted to be a producer. So 0:38:37.040 --> 0:38:40.080 a fourteen you start going into jazz bars and singing. Well, 0:38:40.480 --> 0:38:42.560 you know, it's funny. I actually started singing in jazz 0:38:42.560 --> 0:38:44.799 bars because it was a way that I could help 0:38:44.880 --> 0:38:48.200 my family keep the lights on. But then I loved it. 0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:50.520 And I actually ended up making a lot of money 0:38:50.600 --> 0:38:53.800 doing that. And I sang for this guy in Houston. 0:38:53.840 --> 0:38:57.040 His name's Tilman for Tita billion dollar buyer. He also 0:38:57.080 --> 0:39:00.000 owns the Houston Rockets and the U of H team, 0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:03.279 but he has a ton of restaurants and steakhouses and 0:39:03.520 --> 0:39:07.800 very high fine dining places in the entire Texas and 0:39:08.080 --> 0:39:11.000 South and on um. But I was like one of 0:39:11.040 --> 0:39:13.520 his main piano players and singers for all of his 0:39:13.680 --> 0:39:16.440 establishments and all of his corporate events and everything. And 0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:18.759 so it was funny that it started off as this 0:39:18.800 --> 0:39:21.239 thing to really help my family along, and then it 0:39:21.400 --> 0:39:23.520 ended up being this amazing career by the time I 0:39:23.600 --> 0:39:26.520 left Houston and moved to Nashville. So, you know, the 0:39:26.560 --> 0:39:28.480 Beatles would talk about I don't know the Beatles. I 0:39:28.480 --> 0:39:29.800 just read book. I don't talk to you about it. 0:39:29.800 --> 0:39:31.200 But if you know the Beatles, I don't know the Beatles. 0:39:31.239 --> 0:39:33.239 But they they would always an interviews and in books 0:39:33.239 --> 0:39:35.080 that would talk about going in They would be in Germany. 0:39:35.120 --> 0:39:37.640 They play the clubs in Hamburg for you know, eight 0:39:37.719 --> 0:39:40.200 nine hours at a time, and that's really where they 0:39:40.239 --> 0:39:42.120 got good at everything because they had to do eight 0:39:42.200 --> 0:39:43.520 or nine hours they had to play songs two or 0:39:43.520 --> 0:39:45.759 three times. They'd have to play all these covers, the 0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:48.120 occasional original. But that's where when you talk about singing 0:39:48.200 --> 0:39:49.840 three or four hours, and they were like, well, we 0:39:49.920 --> 0:39:51.919 learned how not to be tired. For sure, you would 0:39:51.960 --> 0:39:53.440 sing for eight hours, you would, or you'd play for it. 0:39:53.480 --> 0:39:54.960 You just be tired. But we learned how not to 0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:58.160 be tired and perform at a high level because we 0:39:58.200 --> 0:40:01.440 had to do it so off. And so when you're 0:40:01.440 --> 0:40:03.680 telling that story about you having a sing for three 0:40:03.760 --> 0:40:07.120 or four hours a night and your voice wasn't even tired, 0:40:08.280 --> 0:40:11.240 we had to learn how to do that. It's probably 0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:12.920 easier to not go blow your voice while doing a 0:40:12.960 --> 0:40:15.640 show now because you've had all this training. Is a 0:40:15.640 --> 0:40:17.480 good word for it, like it's literal, it's hard. It 0:40:17.600 --> 0:40:20.080 was paid practice time. That's what I thought of it 0:40:20.120 --> 0:40:21.799 as when I was seventeen, which I think is a 0:40:21.840 --> 0:40:24.120 really mature way to think of it as a teenager. 0:40:24.600 --> 0:40:26.439 Anytime I was like, man, I don't want to play 0:40:26.480 --> 0:40:30.040 for four hours. This is really tiring. Um My mom 0:40:30.040 --> 0:40:31.960 told me. She was like, you're just getting paid to 0:40:32.000 --> 0:40:37.080 basically practice every song in every key, in every format, 0:40:37.080 --> 0:40:39.399 whether people are paying attention to you, or whether they're 0:40:39.400 --> 0:40:41.640 paying more attention to the football game behind you on 0:40:41.680 --> 0:40:43.680 the screen, Like it doesn't matter. You're getting paid to 0:40:43.680 --> 0:40:45.480 practice and you can mess up and no one cares. 0:40:51.680 --> 0:40:54.839 You did a show with Stapleton, actually did a whole 0:40:54.840 --> 0:40:58.240 tour with Stapleton, which I have a funny story about. Okay, 0:40:58.520 --> 0:41:01.239 so you go, you have a story for me or Okay, 0:41:01.440 --> 0:41:04.800 So first, how did you and Chris even come together? 0:41:04.920 --> 0:41:08.080 What was that? I was kind of online friends with Morgan, 0:41:08.560 --> 0:41:12.120 his wife, and we just kind of followed each other 0:41:12.200 --> 0:41:13.799 for a little bit up until the c m As 0:41:13.880 --> 0:41:16.400 last year when I sang with Mickey and Brittany and 0:41:16.480 --> 0:41:18.640 I met them because their table was right in front 0:41:18.640 --> 0:41:21.360 of our table, and I had just come off the 0:41:21.400 --> 0:41:24.319 stage from singing. My makeup is all sweating down my 0:41:24.320 --> 0:41:27.799 face because I'm crying and sobbing with the girls, and 0:41:28.160 --> 0:41:31.160 Morgan and I have already been basically Instagram friends for 0:41:31.200 --> 0:41:33.200 a couple of months, and she points at me and 0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:37.239 she blines it for me because she loved the performance, 0:41:37.280 --> 0:41:39.200 and she really really loved my music at the time, 0:41:39.200 --> 0:41:42.279 and she'd play it for her family, and we just 0:41:42.320 --> 0:41:44.320 made that connection there at the c m A S. 0:41:44.400 --> 0:41:47.200 And I was again sobbing more because these are my 0:41:47.200 --> 0:41:49.840 two musical heroes and the fact that I was getting 0:41:49.840 --> 0:41:52.439 to meet them on this really historical night, not only 0:41:52.440 --> 0:41:54.840 in my career but just in country music, it was 0:41:55.120 --> 0:41:58.759 kind of unreal for me. So you meet then and 0:41:58.760 --> 0:42:01.000 then who does she go come come out with this 0:42:01.280 --> 0:42:06.839 or yeah, my my touring agent, Lenore. She was the 0:42:06.840 --> 0:42:08.959 one that reached out to them when they were looking 0:42:09.000 --> 0:42:12.279 for a new opener, and Yola had come off for 0:42:12.719 --> 0:42:14.960 a few events that she was already doing and they 0:42:15.000 --> 0:42:18.400 were looking for someone to fill yolas spot, which actually 0:42:18.480 --> 0:42:21.880 this rolls perfectly into my story. So one of the 0:42:21.920 --> 0:42:26.640 spots that Yola was out for was Chris's massive Kentucky 0:42:26.880 --> 0:42:30.200 concert at a stadium and the lineup am I allowed 0:42:30.239 --> 0:42:34.920 to cuss on this? Okay? The lineup was Chris s Tableton, 0:42:35.560 --> 0:42:39.760 Willie Nelson, Ryl Crow and who the fuck is Madeleine Edwards? 0:42:39.800 --> 0:42:43.360 That was the lineup. And very shortly before this happened, 0:42:43.840 --> 0:42:46.160 you were opening I think for Brooks and done was 0:42:46.200 --> 0:42:48.440 it and you had a song come out called No 0:42:48.480 --> 0:42:52.040 One Cares About the Opener Garth Brooks. I was the 0:42:52.040 --> 0:42:56.560 opener yeah, yeah, I've never felt more seen than when 0:42:56.600 --> 0:42:59.120 you released that song on Instagram and it was like 0:42:59.480 --> 0:43:03.480 literally right before I was about to open in this 0:43:03.600 --> 0:43:07.239 stadium for all of this massive star lineup, and then 0:43:07.600 --> 0:43:10.960 everyone's not only like that, Liver, It's okay, it's like legitimately, 0:43:11.000 --> 0:43:13.480 I've never heard of this girl and what is happening 0:43:13.560 --> 0:43:16.040 right now? So I felt very seen in that moment. 0:43:16.040 --> 0:43:19.360 Thank you. That's funny. But the difference is you had talent. Again, 0:43:19.400 --> 0:43:21.000 we go back to that. Here we are playing in 0:43:21.000 --> 0:43:25.560 front of seventy people without talent and and whatever. Yeah 0:43:25.680 --> 0:43:29.160 you know, Okay, So look you got the new album 0:43:29.200 --> 0:43:32.880 that's out now, not tomorrow. I don't know, now what 0:43:32.920 --> 0:43:38.200 do you? Let's talk expectations of the record that aren't 0:43:38.600 --> 0:43:41.960 super personal, meaning find your stuff. I want people to 0:43:42.000 --> 0:43:43.799 laugh and feel. I don't want to feel. But it's like, 0:43:43.840 --> 0:43:45.680 also I wanted to be What do you want the 0:43:45.719 --> 0:43:47.839 record to do? Are you true? Like, what's the what's 0:43:47.880 --> 0:43:51.200 the purpose of this record when it comes to you 0:43:51.400 --> 0:43:53.759 in Nashville? Is it setting something up? You wanted to 0:43:53.760 --> 0:43:55.239 talk to be a number one? But what is it? 0:43:55.280 --> 0:43:57.640 What's the deal? Is there a single that goes to 0:43:58.040 --> 0:44:00.279 Mama Dolly Jesus. Okay, because we've I've played a bunch 0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:02.040 of your songs on the National weekend show, you know, 0:44:02.239 --> 0:44:04.120 I know you have, and thank you for that because 0:44:04.120 --> 0:44:06.239 I've been a fan for a long time. Well, thank you. 0:44:06.480 --> 0:44:09.279 So it's like, I just need to know what the 0:44:09.360 --> 0:44:12.520 song is, you know. So yeah, Well, and the single 0:44:12.600 --> 0:44:15.560 is definitely Mama Dolly Jesus. I think that we're going 0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:19.359 is that what they know and they're gonna work that? Yes, okay, yes, es, Yes, 0:44:19.400 --> 0:44:21.400 that's the one that we plan on working, whether it 0:44:21.400 --> 0:44:25.439 be to radio or whatever that means. That's the one, um, 0:44:25.480 --> 0:44:27.279 which is why we did a music video to it. 0:44:27.360 --> 0:44:30.799 But my hopes and anticipations for the record, and I'll 0:44:31.000 --> 0:44:34.520 I'll preface this was saying, even if this record is 0:44:34.560 --> 0:44:37.840 a total flop and it doesn't do anything, I'm really 0:44:37.840 --> 0:44:40.320 proud of it. And this is exactly what I wanted 0:44:40.320 --> 0:44:43.480 to make and produce, and this is the message that 0:44:43.560 --> 0:44:46.480 I'm trying to give to the world. And so even 0:44:46.480 --> 0:44:48.600 if it does terribly, I'm still kind of like, this 0:44:48.640 --> 0:44:50.400 is my favorite record in my favorite piece of art 0:44:50.440 --> 0:44:52.960 I've ever put out. But what I would like for 0:44:53.040 --> 0:44:56.160 it to do, I want this to be a new 0:44:56.200 --> 0:44:59.319 era for me. I want this to be an establishing 0:44:59.600 --> 0:45:03.000 of my self here in Nashville in the country music space, 0:45:03.280 --> 0:45:07.040 even in the contemporary music space, because I think mom 0:45:07.040 --> 0:45:12.240 A Dooli Jesus has the potential to cross over to pop. UM. 0:45:12.280 --> 0:45:15.480 And I really wanted to be kind of a statement 0:45:15.680 --> 0:45:18.800 of this is who I am. And it's not snarky 0:45:18.880 --> 0:45:22.840 or cheeky, because I'm I'm, you know, challenging the listener 0:45:22.880 --> 0:45:25.239 to do the same thing. I'm challenging the listener to 0:45:25.480 --> 0:45:29.160 do the hard work and be confident in themselves. UM. 0:45:29.200 --> 0:45:32.680 There's really really sexy songs on here, like Forehead Kisses 0:45:32.800 --> 0:45:36.360 or Playground that are very much UM. I'm very you know, 0:45:36.400 --> 0:45:40.960 confident in my sexuality. I'm very confident in in who 0:45:41.000 --> 0:45:43.600 I am as a woman, which especially in the Christian 0:45:43.680 --> 0:45:46.239 music space, which I'm not in Christian music, but I 0:45:46.280 --> 0:45:49.520 am a Christian. UM is usually looked down upon, and 0:45:49.600 --> 0:45:51.080 I don't think it has to be. I think that 0:45:51.120 --> 0:45:54.040 could be used in a really positive light, a woman 0:45:54.080 --> 0:45:56.480 being confident in her body and being confident in her 0:45:56.520 --> 0:45:59.319 sexuality and um. And then you have songs like how 0:45:59.320 --> 0:46:03.600 Strong I Am and and talking about digging into the 0:46:03.600 --> 0:46:05.880 pain and coming out a stronger person. So there's a 0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:09.000 lot of different themes on the record. They all are 0:46:09.040 --> 0:46:12.319 genuine to who I am, but it's all challenging the 0:46:12.360 --> 0:46:15.040 listener to be confident in who they are. And so 0:46:15.080 --> 0:46:18.640 I think that's kind of my goal for it. I 0:46:18.640 --> 0:46:22.200 don't really know, like accolades wise, what I'm I mean, Obviously, 0:46:22.360 --> 0:46:25.080 I would love it to go as far as I 0:46:25.160 --> 0:46:27.080 as I think it could go, which is, you know, 0:46:27.160 --> 0:46:32.880 I think this album could be recognized at least by Grammys. 0:46:33.200 --> 0:46:35.759 There if you don't say it, how's it supposed to do? It? 0:46:36.080 --> 0:46:38.080 You let people know your goals so they can help you. 0:46:38.120 --> 0:46:40.040 I mean, I don't want to sound egotistical, that's not 0:46:40.160 --> 0:46:42.760 I asked you the question. I asked you the question, 0:46:43.320 --> 0:46:44.520 would you like to go? I love to one of 0:46:44.520 --> 0:46:47.120 Grammy Boom? There we go. Yeah, I knew it was 0:46:47.280 --> 0:46:49.799 personally fulfilling, Like I I really because I know that's 0:46:49.800 --> 0:46:51.759 who you are, right, You're not gonna do something that 0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:54.160 isn't you, And I'm glad you said that. But let's 0:46:54.200 --> 0:46:56.680 let's go. Let's get some big goals. We're not scared 0:46:56.680 --> 0:46:59.440 of goals now, I'm not. I think. I always kind 0:46:59.440 --> 0:47:01.600 of struggle with like, I want to say what I want, 0:47:02.120 --> 0:47:04.480 but I don't want people to think that I'm egotistical 0:47:04.560 --> 0:47:07.360 or narcissistic for thinking that. And there's a very fine 0:47:07.480 --> 0:47:09.239 line to what people think as I mean, you are, 0:47:09.320 --> 0:47:11.439 like I said about me and arrogance, I don't feel 0:47:11.440 --> 0:47:14.000 like American at all, but I definitely can see sometimes 0:47:14.040 --> 0:47:16.120 I cross the line to people where they do think that, 0:47:16.200 --> 0:47:18.080 and I'm like, oh, yeah, I gotta I got a 0:47:18.080 --> 0:47:19.800 good point of feeling that way, because it could have 0:47:19.880 --> 0:47:22.480 come off that way. But I don't care. I tried to. 0:47:22.520 --> 0:47:24.759 I don't care as much about what people that people 0:47:24.840 --> 0:47:28.120 understand me anymore because if they don't, either they will 0:47:28.600 --> 0:47:32.320 eventually or I'll just die and just be under un understood, 0:47:32.400 --> 0:47:34.480 and you know, I'll be one of the great thinkers 0:47:34.600 --> 0:47:38.840 that nobody ever really die. Not the part at the point, Okay, 0:47:38.840 --> 0:47:42.600 look here we are. The album is out. I everybody, 0:47:42.920 --> 0:47:46.000 I'm telling you just go listen to it. Um. It 0:47:46.040 --> 0:47:47.840 has been out for a bunch of days now, I 0:47:47.840 --> 0:47:49.719 don't I don't know any days at this point, tons 0:47:49.719 --> 0:47:52.879 of days, tons of so many days. I'm just about 0:47:52.920 --> 0:47:55.960 a big fan. I enjoyed you anyway without knowing you. 0:47:56.239 --> 0:47:58.520 But everything that people told me about you, not they 0:47:58.560 --> 0:48:01.480 weren't exactly true. It's true. We're meeting you than even 0:48:01.520 --> 0:48:03.960 they said, Like, I really enjoy just spend a time 0:48:03.960 --> 0:48:07.360 with you. Yeah, you're very You're you're very deliberate, and 0:48:07.360 --> 0:48:11.120 I appreciate thank you. I will say, I've been kind 0:48:11.120 --> 0:48:13.640 of waiting for this call because I feel like music 0:48:13.719 --> 0:48:16.960 is not cool until Bobby Bones says it's cool. And 0:48:17.000 --> 0:48:19.160 I was like, I saw you interviewing a lot of 0:48:19.160 --> 0:48:21.160 my friends. I'm like, man, he doesn't think my ship 0:48:21.280 --> 0:48:24.800 is cool yet. I guess I just got to keep making. 0:48:24.880 --> 0:48:27.560 I kept like making cooler and cooler ship, and oh, 0:48:27.600 --> 0:48:29.439 Bobby Bones didn't call me. I guess it's not that cool. 0:48:29.480 --> 0:48:32.280 But then finally you have a new album coming out album. 0:48:32.480 --> 0:48:34.960 If we would have called you two months ago, I 0:48:35.000 --> 0:48:37.920 wouldn't have been the same, right, it would have us 0:48:38.000 --> 0:48:39.360 got to know each other. But then you would have 0:48:39.360 --> 0:48:41.200 missed a prime opportunity, or I would have missed a 0:48:41.200 --> 0:48:45.120 prime opportunity to promote something new that you have just spent. Well, 0:48:45.120 --> 0:48:47.160 you know what this means now it meets I don't 0:48:47.160 --> 0:48:48.839 know what I mean. It means my ship is cool. 0:48:49.880 --> 0:48:52.680 It already was. No, No, it already was. I'm telling you, 0:48:52.760 --> 0:48:55.759 I've played uh too much of a good thing. Heart. 0:48:56.160 --> 0:48:58.439 You can't break hold my horses, sports City, thinking about 0:48:58.480 --> 0:49:00.680 you been all this stuff I played right, So I 0:49:00.680 --> 0:49:03.560 already thought it was cool. That's alright. So it was 0:49:03.640 --> 0:49:07.960 never that. It was always timing on when can you 0:49:08.120 --> 0:49:11.000 come in and promote your newest thing? And it makes 0:49:11.080 --> 0:49:12.719 We have a million people who listen to this, so 0:49:12.760 --> 0:49:14.319 I wanted to make sure that when you came in, 0:49:15.160 --> 0:49:17.600 we took their gift and we said, this is the 0:49:17.600 --> 0:49:19.560 gift I'm presenting you. It's Madalin and she's presenting her 0:49:19.560 --> 0:49:21.719 new project, her new music. There we go where everybody wins. 0:49:22.840 --> 0:49:25.799 That's why you've always been cool. Thanks. I on the 0:49:25.840 --> 0:49:29.160 other hand, I have not, and I am not secured 0:49:29.160 --> 0:49:32.640 in my body. And we'll just end it there at 0:49:32.960 --> 0:49:36.480 making Madalen. That's it. Go go follow. What are you 0:49:36.480 --> 0:49:39.040 doing the rest of the day. The rest of the day, Oh, 0:49:39.080 --> 0:49:41.719 my family's income. They're coming in town because I'm singing 0:49:41.760 --> 0:49:44.480 for the Opery again, So I'm gonna be cleaning my 0:49:44.520 --> 0:49:46.520 house for the rest of the day. When you form 0:49:46.600 --> 0:49:51.640 the oy tomorrow, Saturday today, tomorrow we'll talk in real 0:49:51.760 --> 0:49:53.719 terms now. Were actual recording this on a Thursday, but 0:49:53.920 --> 0:49:58.120 so's Friday night the night? Yeah, Oh that's cool. Good 0:49:58.120 --> 0:50:00.320 for you. Big week. Yeah, it's a big week. Operates 0:50:00.320 --> 0:50:03.080 a cool spot to do on an album released, because one, 0:50:03.160 --> 0:50:06.880 it's the Opery Opera is always cool. Um too. The 0:50:07.760 --> 0:50:11.880 it's on satellite radio. It's on all these ws M, 0:50:12.000 --> 0:50:14.160 so there's actually a reach as well aside from it 0:50:14.200 --> 0:50:16.040 just being the Opery and then there's a lot of 0:50:16.040 --> 0:50:17.640 good social that comes out of it. That's that's a 0:50:17.680 --> 0:50:19.759 good good spot. I love it. We're gonna also be 0:50:19.760 --> 0:50:22.439 doing Mama Dolly Jesus with their bands with the Opery Band, 0:50:22.440 --> 0:50:24.759 which I think is going to go so hard, and 0:50:24.760 --> 0:50:26.840 then we're gonna really strip it down and I'm going 0:50:26.920 --> 0:50:29.359 to be playing all by myself on their grand Too 0:50:29.440 --> 0:50:30.920 much of a good thing. I think that is a 0:50:31.000 --> 0:50:34.440 perfect little spot right there. I've never heard anyone so 0:50:34.520 --> 0:50:37.480 the Opery Band goes hard, but I like it. They 0:50:37.520 --> 0:50:40.200 will on this song. They you will make them, I 0:50:40.239 --> 0:50:43.200 will make no doubt about it. Made You've been It's 0:50:43.200 --> 0:50:45.440 been awesome talking to you. Yeah, it's really been amazing. 0:50:45.440 --> 0:50:48.719 You guys follow at Making Magdalene and you, guys check 0:50:48.719 --> 0:50:51.239 out the album because it is out now. It is right, 0:50:51.280 --> 0:50:54.200 and it's been out there because I was already listening 0:50:54.239 --> 0:50:58.200 to it last week. It's so great already. That's speaking 0:50:58.239 --> 0:51:00.439 into existence, all right. There she is mat elan Etter