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Speaker 1: Episode three seventy two with Madeline Edwards. Loved it. What

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Speaker 1: a what a fun time. Uh. This is Madeline Edward's

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Speaker 1: song called Mama Dolly Jesus you ain't may she is

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Speaker 1: and she was described to me as someone who will

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Speaker 1: I would really like her and she would go just

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Speaker 1: whatever I had to say. If she had something to

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Speaker 1: say back, she would for sure say it. And that

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Speaker 1: was the case. Her new album is out right now.

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Speaker 1: It's called Crash Landed. I think we recorded this is

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Speaker 1: the day before it came out, and so we kept

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Speaker 1: going it's it's out now, even though it wasn't something

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Speaker 1: like that. You can follow her at making Madalene. She

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Speaker 1: grew up in a large musical family that moved from

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Speaker 1: California to Houston when she was in high school. You know,

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Speaker 1: her mom was a big influence on her music taste.

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Speaker 1: Her mom wanted to listen to jazz and classical, and

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Speaker 1: you know she ever made her listen to old country

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Speaker 1: western music and Madeline even sings for us a little

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Speaker 1: bit when talking about jazz, which I thought was crazy.

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Speaker 1: When she was doing the did I can't I can't

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Speaker 1: do it because I never want to make anybody sing,

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Speaker 1: and I said that I don't want make anybody sing

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Speaker 1: here because you didn't. But she did. And it wasn't

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Speaker 1: that she was showing off how good she can sing.

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Speaker 1: She was showing a jazz style. I like, wow, that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: So check it out. I really enjoyed it. Support her,

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Speaker 1: go follow her. This is Madeleine Edwards. The new album

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Speaker 1: is called crash Landed. The new song is called Mama

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Speaker 1: Dolly Jesus. And here she is on the Bobbycast. First

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Speaker 1: of all, thank you for the coffee, of course. So

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Speaker 1: this is is this a special brand or special flavor?

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Speaker 1: It's both. So this is a Houston specific company. It's

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Speaker 1: called Cats Coffee, and they bring a lot of different

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Speaker 1: elements of Texas into the coffee. So it has these

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Speaker 1: very very slight notes of like sugar, cinnamon, chocolate, all

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Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. But I don't know. It's my

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Speaker 1: so it was so gross. It's almost like when you

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Speaker 1: you know. I was gonna say that, Well, we had

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Speaker 1: It rubs my feet. It's amazing. It's the greatest coffee

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Speaker 1: coffee machine ever. That's amazing. Have you done the Today

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Speaker 1: Who were you with? I was with Hooda and Jenna

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Speaker 1: love them? Yeah, they're pretty amazing. They kind of freaked

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Speaker 1: But I spent four days with her just the best.

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Speaker 1: are you doing the thing where you're going around radio stations?

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Speaker 1: Have you done that yet? Radio tour? Yeah, gets the worst.

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Speaker 1: Here's the point that now you can connect with everybody

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Speaker 1: So you said you're about to go back to New York.

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Speaker 1: Why I'm confused is Okay, today's Thursday, but this will

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Speaker 1: now it's out. Oh, yes, it's out. Now, it's out

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Speaker 1: right now it's out. So with with that, you say

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Speaker 1: um my sisters adopted. I spent half of my life

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Speaker 1: how many the word voice, not as my literal physical voice,

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Speaker 1: because it's showing a broad spectrum of of genres and cultures.

423
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Speaker 1: And so I just want to show people, especially in

424
00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,400
Speaker 1: this day and age, that you can become a stronger

425
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,840
Speaker 1: person by digging deep and going through the pain. I

426
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,000
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of things to distract us right

427
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:40,960
Speaker 1: now from doing that. I'm not even just talking like

428
00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,360
Speaker 1: substances and alcohol. I'm literally talking about even our phones

429
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,520
Speaker 1: or shopping or just things that distract us from going

430
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,800
Speaker 1: through hard things in our life. And the reason why

431
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,440
Speaker 1: I've gotten to this place that I've gone through or

432
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 1: that I am right now, is because I've gone through

433
00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:56,800
Speaker 1: this really really really hard ship in my life and

434
00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,760
Speaker 1: a lot of abuse, and instead of running from it

435
00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,919
Speaker 1: like I used to, now I'm doing the things that

436
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,000
Speaker 1: I need to do, the heart work. I'm going to therapy,

437
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,360
Speaker 1: I'm making sure i'm building my community around me, making

438
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,520
Speaker 1: sure I'm pouring into my family as much as I can.

439
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:11,800
Speaker 1: And it's made me a stronger person, and I want

440
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,280
Speaker 1: people to see that. So that's kind of the message

441
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 1: that I'm I don't know if that totally answered this question,

442
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 1: but it doesn't in a way. And I've already say

443
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,359
Speaker 1: a few things that resonate with me where and you

444
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 1: can tell me if it is somewhat similar for you.

445
00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,480
Speaker 1: I used to be very resentful at how I grew up.

446
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,680
Speaker 1: You know, my mom was an addict when she died

447
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,200
Speaker 1: in her forty as my dad left when I was young,

448
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,480
Speaker 1: I was welfare kids, food stamp, kid trail, the part

449
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,359
Speaker 1: kid whatever, all these things, and I used to hate it.

450
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:37,960
Speaker 1: I used to be so ashamed of it, and I

451
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 1: used to be someone who resented it. And I never

452
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:42,679
Speaker 1: had a dad, and all these things happened to me,

453
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 1: and I was just angry and sad. However, I got

454
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:50,120
Speaker 1: to a point where I started to appreciate it because

455
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 1: I'm glad all of that happened now because one talk

456
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,439
Speaker 1: about developing a muscle, and to the tool that I

457
00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,360
Speaker 1: have that I use the most as empathy, and I'm

458
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,919
Speaker 1: so fortunate to have that, and I wouldn't have gotten

459
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 1: in any other way, Like you can't. That doesn't happen

460
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 1: unless you go through all of that. And so now

461
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 1: there's I do see that. I was fortunate to have

462
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: that happen and get through it and be able to go, Okay,

463
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:18,680
Speaker 1: I see it, and I only trying to make sure

464
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 1: that doesn't happen and with other people if I can

465
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 1: end the next generation. I mean, like we carry the

466
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 1: things that our parents do into our life, and you

467
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 1: have a choice to break those generational curses and to

468
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,679
Speaker 1: break those barriers, you know, like my kids are not

469
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,640
Speaker 1: going to deal with my kids, whether I have them

470
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 1: biologically or adopt or whatever. That looks like it starts

471
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 1: with me. It starts and it ends with me, and

472
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 1: that's I'm not carrying that over. And it sounds like

473
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,160
Speaker 1: that's kind of the philosophy you have in your life too. Yeah,

474
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 1: I think so, I mean, I know. So it's when

475
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 1: it comes to my life. Obviously, I look at me different.

476
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,160
Speaker 1: I look at you know what, I'm like, Hey, that's awesome.

477
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 1: Look at you should be so proud and you look

478
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 1: at your stuff like you know, but I now am

479
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 1: proud of it. And as you talk about, did you

480
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 1: have a stage where you're like, you know what sucks

481
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,159
Speaker 1: for me? It's difficult right now? And did you ever

482
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 1: hit a point where you you're now you where you

483
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,439
Speaker 1: look back and go, oh, I've learned from all this.

484
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 1: This is the greatest teaching set ever. Was it always

485
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 1: as positive with you? Definitely? Not? Um, I mean this

486
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 1: is kind of I would say, even a more recent

487
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: uh attitude that I walk around with. I would say,

488
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 1: over the last maybe three or four years, it's been

489
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 1: like this. It's when I really started digging into you know,

490
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,400
Speaker 1: therapy and and trying to figure out how I need

491
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 1: to take my past traumas and learn how to live

492
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 1: with them. Um. I'm trying to think of when I

493
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 1: didn't think that way? Was there anything specific to happen

494
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 1: that kind of flipped your mind? Therapy was a big

495
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 1: part for me too. I I didn't know what therapy

496
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 1: was growing up, and then I started to go only

497
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: because they offered it as part of like insurance, and

498
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 1: I was like, what is therapy? We didn't we have

499
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,199
Speaker 1: therapy where I came from just worried about eating, you know,

500
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 1: And so I was like, I got to therapy, what

501
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 1: is this? And I went and it it comes plately,

502
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: I would say, revolutionize my approach to perspective. And I

503
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 1: understand it's a silly concept, Like if I try to

504
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: explain it to people that also are not familiar with therapy,

505
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 1: you know it. It's it's not just going into a

506
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 1: room and being like blah blah blah blah blah, here's

507
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: my problems, and they're like, cool, here's the check, have

508
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: a good day. I don't know. I feel like there

509
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 1: was a time in my life, um probably leading up

510
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,479
Speaker 1: to when I started digging in that I was just

511
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 1: noticing a lot of patterns of falling back into past demons.

512
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 1: And I feel like I have a very addictive personality.

513
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: I've seen that kind of be a string in my life,

514
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 1: and that's something that I've seen, you know, past generations

515
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 1: in my family deal with. And I really feel like

516
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 1: it must have been not even a crazy rock bottom.

517
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 1: I think it's just when I started seeing it hurting

518
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 1: the people around me, like my family and um, people

519
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: that really cared about me and wanted to see me

520
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,360
Speaker 1: out of this. And don't get me wrong, I mean

521
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of things. I also come from

522
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: a fatherless home. He was pretty abusive in our life,

523
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 1: and um, you know, it was tough to deal with.

524
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 1: But and I'm the oldest of five, so I kind

525
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: of took over as like this weird mom role to

526
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 1: my siblings along with my mom, and me and my

527
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,919
Speaker 1: mom are survivors. You know, we've we've dealt with a

528
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 1: lot of ship. But I think it's kind of just

529
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: an annoying pattern of me seeing that and using my

530
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 1: trauma or my abuse as an excuse to be like, actually,

531
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 1: I want to drop five thousand dollars even though I

532
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: know I don't have the funds to do this, or

533
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: I should be saving for something like a house or

534
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: college or whatever. Or seeing myself like going to weed,

535
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: or seeing myself going to alcohol or whatever, and deciding

536
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: I want to find a way to manipulate these patterns

537
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 1: to where I don't have to fall back into this

538
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 1: because I'm seeing myself in my father's shadow right now,

539
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 1: I think that's probably more so what it was is

540
00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: seeing myself and my dad and not wanting to be him. Yeah,

541
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: that's what scares me because I don't I got married

542
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: a year and a half or so ago for the

543
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: first time and we don't have kids yet. But it

544
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: scares me to death because I saw I didn't see

545
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 1: my dad, but I saw what happened there, and I'm like,

546
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 1: what if I'm not like and I go to I

547
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: have a lot a lot of therapy, and it's like,

548
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: I don't have to be that. I'm I've broken the

549
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,239
Speaker 1: cycle and every other way. Why do I Why do

550
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: I just attach myself to that one? Like what if

551
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: I have a kid? I'm like, hey, I'm out, and

552
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: I don't think that, but he did that so well.

553
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: The funny thing is like, you know you're not going

554
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,239
Speaker 1: to be like that too, Like deep down, yes, my

555
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: brain says, look at the data. For sure, you will

556
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: not be like that because of every other way that

557
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: you've changed your life. However, there's just something in trance,

558
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: in my in my heart and my gun. That's all.

559
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: This is just I'm just scared and it kind of

560
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 1: overrides all the all the systems. Yeah, no, I feel that.

561
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing that too. That's very vulnerable. You know,

562
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 1: I live a life of vulnerability. That is what I do. Uh,

563
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: your family musical growing up? Yes, I um, all of

564
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: my siblings are musical. So the brother right under me,

565
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 1: his name is Mica Edwards and he's still based in Houston,

566
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: and he has coined himself the title Mr. Texas Soul

567
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 1: and so he'll go around. You know. He's very much

568
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: like a cross between Leon Bridges and Charlie Crockett. Has

569
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: an incredible band with steel guitar and a horn section.

570
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: He actually just opened for the War and Treaty last

571
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 1: week in Houston, and um, he definitely follows in that

572
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 1: lane of the Gary Clark Jr. Abraham Alexander world. And

573
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: he's incredible. And um, my middle brother is out in

574
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: l A pursuing acting in music as well, so creative

575
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: like arts filled family. Yeah, I bet that's awesome sometimes

576
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: and also yeah really ann yeah, yeah, I mean I

577
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 1: can see where you can relate. But also it's kind

578
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: of it's the double edged sword. So do you guys

579
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: ever just get together? Go? Nobody talks about music or art. No,

580
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: we love it, We bond over it. It's something that

581
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: when we're together, it's kind of like a language of ours,

582
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: like did you hear this? Tim and Paula record No,

583
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: let me okay, da da da da, and then we'll

584
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: just put it on and we'll analyze the music together

585
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: in the room. It's kind of weird actually, now that

586
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: I'm saying that out loud, But so all you three

587
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: are very musical. But your mom did she have music

588
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: in the house. Yes, we were exposed to classical music,

589
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 1: early jazz, like the people I was saying before um seventies,

590
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: music like the Beatles and Bread and the b Gs

591
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: and not very modern stuff. My mom didn't really like

592
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: modern music, and so I actually didn't even know about

593
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: artists like Britney Spears or Christina Aguilar until I was

594
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: in middle school, which is wild. I felt sheltered. Get

595
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: to a radio yourself somehow, that's how Is that how

596
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: you found it? Like somebody else having a radio? Oh yeah,

597
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: I think I like just rode with one of my

598
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: friends in the car one day and I'm like, what

599
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: is this and they're like, oh, this is Britney Spears,

600
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: Like this doesn't sound very jazzy. What what's the difference

601
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: now because I know or November now, last month you

602
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: get signed at Warner was the last month, So what's

603
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: the what what has happened since then? Because you obviously

604
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: get signed, but then like what what happens every day?

605
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: That's different. I mean, this whole year has been moving fast,

606
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: so it's it's just kind of a lot of the

607
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: same stuff. However, it's really cool because this music video

608
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: that we're putting out tomorrow, gosh, it's already out. You

609
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: can find it right now. I need to keep saying

610
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: that the music video that's out right now, Mama Dolly Jesus.

611
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it looks expensive and it's incredible because I've

612
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: I've never made work like this before, and it's kind

613
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: of cool just having that associated with my music and

614
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: my image now because that's always the level I've wanted

615
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: to be at and that's something that I've been chasing

616
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: my whole life, and to see it in this capacity

617
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: now is a lot different. So life is kind of

618
00:29:54,040 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: stayed the same in terms of dizziness, but everything is elevated. Yeah,

619
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: now you have people with more influence working to hopefully

620
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: put you into place to succeed. Yeah, that's pretty cool.

621
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: That means. You know why I mean and why it's

622
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: cool is they only have so much time and so

623
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: much money, and in the fact they're spending both on

624
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: you means that there's a belief in you. I mean,

625
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: that's what it is. I mean, they have limited time,

626
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: limited money. They're gonna only pick the limited amount of

627
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: people to spend both on, and they have not chosen

628
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: you to spend some time and money on. Yeah. Pressure,

629
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: yeah right, but still you give me all the pressure

630
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: because I've earned the pressure and I've been working hard

631
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: to feel the pressure. And that's some pressure, then feel good.

632
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: But I'd rather have pressure than no pressure, because no

633
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: pressure means nobody, nobody cares. No, that's yeah, I mean

634
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: that that's people. You know. Ask me about being nervous

635
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: a lot when I was working on American Idol. It

636
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: was really one of the things I worked with the

637
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: contestants on most or like how how do you not

638
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: be nervous? And it's just been a common theme of man,

639
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: you should be happy you're nervous. Imagine you're never nervous.

640
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: That means not that matters. I mean, d you get

641
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: a shot at anything? Like you you only have so

642
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: many times in your life that you get to be

643
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: positively nervous, for sure, because most offs were nervous. It's

644
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,479
Speaker 1: like somebody's sick, somebody's But think about you get to go,

645
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: you have a shot, you get to feel you get

646
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: to feel nervous. Here's your gift with a bow on it.

647
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: Nerves congratulations. Now here's what you do with it, Like

648
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: it's one of the greatest gifts. Same thing as pressure. Yeah,

649
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: it's one of the greatest gifts. It's a weird gift

650
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: because then feel good. But I I appreciate you saying that.

651
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: I had an interesting conversation with someone a couple of

652
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: days ago that was very similar to that philosophy. Her

653
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: name's Monica Earnshaw, and she was actually my boxing coach

654
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: in Houston, and I saw her in Houston a few

655
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: days ago and she told me, you know, what are

656
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: you feeling with all this happening so quickly? And I

657
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: told her, you know, some days it feels really amazing,

658
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: and then some days it's happening so fast that I

659
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: don't feel like I'm adjusting well. Like I feel like

660
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: a lot of things are falling through the cracks. I'm

661
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: forgetting to respond to some people because there's just so

662
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: many people to spawned too or whatever. I feel like

663
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: I'm failing at it. And all she said to me was,

664
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: you've been given a gift and your only job now

665
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: is to just honor it, and that's it. And I

666
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: it was the most simple advice. And now I feel

667
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: like I'm just going to carry that and this into

668
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: the rest of whatever happens from here on out, because

669
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: it's just that simple. You just honor the gift. I

670
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: would get really tired and I would go and be

671
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: flying all over and just shoot a show here we

672
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: was shot a show in another country of doing the

673
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: radio show every day, and I'll be so tired, and

674
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: I would have to remind myself how lucky it might

675
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: have be this exhausted doing what I want to do.

676
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: Like my you know, my my mom got married again

677
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: later in life, and she was married for a few

678
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: years to my stepdad for a few years before she

679
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: passed away, and he worked at a sawmill. He was tired.

680
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: But there's a difference. I'm tired, you're tired. We get

681
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: to do we get we're tired at like going after

682
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: the thing we've always wanted to go after, and that is,

683
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: and after I have to remind myself that I'm not

684
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: reminding you. Sometimes I'm talking myself into this and go,

685
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: you're really freaking lucky to be tired, Like stop complaining.

686
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, why are you talking to yourself

687
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: in the mirror? You can just think these thoughts and

688
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: it's a whole thing where then I make fun of

689
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: myself out loud, and you know, we have yeah, and

690
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: then we take a bath. It's all um, So I

691
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: do want to play Mama Dolly Jesus. Now that being said, legally,

692
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: if we play more than five seconds, we get sued,

693
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: not by you really, Yeah, but they have all these

694
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: rules now on podcasts and music. And we used to

695
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: be considered an editorial podcast, but now any podcast you

696
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: play for five seconds, you go to jail apparently. So

697
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna do two five second clips. We'll

698
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: talk for a second and go back into it. Can

699
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: we do that, Mike? Yeah? All right, Here is Mama

700
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: Dolly Jesus. You ain't dollars Jesus. All right, So we'll

701
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: talk for us just a second here and just talk

702
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: about Look at that there's a tree outside the window,

703
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: all right, Mike, give me a little bit more. Jesus,

704
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: what's the video? What is it? Yeah, like what you

705
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: said it was that they spend a bunch of money on.

706
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: It looks cool at your vision, Like, what is it?

707
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: What's man? It's so cool. It's one I've never seen

708
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: a video like this, especially in the country music space,

709
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: and now that it's out, I can talk about it.

710
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: But it's basically this concept that me and my girlfriends

711
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: we're super confident in who we are. We board this

712
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: train with a bunch of tired, angry people that are

713
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: that don't love themselves well, but they see us and

714
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: they see us in all this confidence and it's infectious

715
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: and it takes over the entire train. And at the

716
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 1: end of the video, you know, we get this amazing surprise.

717
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: We have a drag dolly in the in the video,

718
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: and it's incredible because I'm talking about Jesus and also

719
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: having a drag dolly in the video at the same time,

720
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: which I mean that could piss people off. I don't

721
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: really care if it does, but honestly, it's just promoting

722
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: more of the inclusivity. But also it's just this really

723
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: it's this really fun video. I don't. I think it's

724
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: totally positive and it's not meant to be divisive or

725
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: controversial at all. I feel like it's really fun and

726
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: positive and really trying to get people to feel confident

727
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: and love themselves well and so then they'll be able

728
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: to love other people well as as Wow, well as well.

729
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: How is the operation? When I saw, because I you know,

730
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time at the opera your

731
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: debut a couple of months ago. Yeah, I saw it

732
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 1: pop up on the Instagram. I wasn't there that night,

733
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: but it's pretty cool. Huh. Yeah. It was nerve wracking.

734
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: There's cameras in your face all day, they're always you know.

735
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: That makes makes me a little more nervous. But it

736
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: was really cool. My mom got to be there and

737
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: I sang why I'm calling, which is about her, and

738
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 1: she lives in California now doing she's actually a child

739
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: psychologist as well. But um, I just missed her. I'm

740
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: I'm doing a lot of big things in my career

741
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: that honestly I wouldn't be able to do if she

742
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: didn't raise me and protect me the way she did.

743
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: And so it's kind of sad her missing out on

744
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: all these really big life events just because we're so

745
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 1: far away, and you know, she's working in California right now,

746
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 1: but um, she got to be there and that was

747
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: really special for me. And I was probably crying from

748
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: you know, the minute I woke up to the minute

749
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: I want to sleep, just because I was so grateful.

750
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: That's cool. Was she crying obviously? Yeah? Do you see

751
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: you and her? I do. I see more of myself

752
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 1: and my mom than and my dad. For sure. She's

753
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: a really giving, loving person, and I think she actually

754
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: believes the best and a lot of people and builds

755
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: them up well. And I've always wanted to be like that.

756
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: I think I'm starting to see myself be like that

757
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: more so. You are you feel like you're maturing? Do

758
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: you feel like I mean, I'm old as crap. I

759
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 1: better be maturing by now. Yeah, but there are plays

760
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: I'm eight years old in some ways still. Yeah. You know,

761
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: I don't think age and maturation. I don't think they

762
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: always go hand in hand. That's true. There are some

763
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: parts of my life where again I'm nine, and my

764
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 1: wife and in serious and joking, she's like, look, you've

765
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,720
Speaker 1: there are certain parts of your life where you froze

766
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: certain parts of your um you know, psychological lives and

767
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: parts of my emotional There's there are some trauma there

768
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 1: that just said, all right, we're gonna put a stop

769
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: sign here and we're just gonna stop into you have

770
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: to uncomfortably go through the top sign. Yeah, I get that,

771
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: and I'm Peter Pan and Peter Pan in a lot

772
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 1: of ways. I mean, I'm still a kid in some

773
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 1: ways like that. That's why I'm in therapy. But yes,

774
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm a cheering a little bit. Did

775
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: you always know what you wanted to do? Yes? Because

776
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: I always knew, and it was it was weird to

777
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 1: me the people didn't. And your let's say you're seven,

778
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 1: what do you want to do when you were seven? Music?

779
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: Did you want to do this when you were ever?

780
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,720
Speaker 1: There are three things I wanted to do. I wanted

781
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 1: to be on the radio, on TV, and be a

782
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: stand up comedian, and I do all three. But I've

783
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: always the create. I just would look at people be like,

784
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: what do you mean you don't know what you want

785
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: to do? I just didn't understand the concept of not

786
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: I knew immediately, but you too. Isn't it crazy that

787
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: we actually get to do it, though, there's like maybe

788
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: two percent of people that actually get to say that

789
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:54,439
Speaker 1: they and entertainment specifically, because your odds are even small.

790
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: You think your odds are small in the real world,

791
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: they're even smaller in the world of entertainment. So the

792
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: fact that we're getting to do this is wild. When

793
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: you wanted to do music, let's say you're seventeen, different

794
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: stage alive, you still want to do music, But what

795
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: what did that mean to you as a teenager when

796
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: you wanted to do music. I had to kind of

797
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: buck up and and figure out how that was going

798
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: to be a career transition or start a career with that,

799
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: because obviously when I was seventeen, I was actually I

800
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 1: started playing in jazz bars when I was fourteen. So

801
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: you when you say music, did you want to sing specifically,

802
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: or was it I wanted to sing. I wanted to

803
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: be a songwriter. I wanted to be a producer. So

804
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: a fourteen you start going into jazz bars and singing. Well,

805
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny. I actually started singing in jazz

806
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: bars because it was a way that I could help

807
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: my family keep the lights on. But then I loved it.

808
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: And I actually ended up making a lot of money

809
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 1: doing that. And I sang for this guy in Houston.

810
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: His name's Tilman for Tita billion dollar buyer. He also

811
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: owns the Houston Rockets and the U of H team,

812
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: but he has a ton of restaurants and steakhouses and

813
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 1: very high fine dining places in the entire Texas and

814
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: South and on um. But I was like one of

815
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: his main piano players and singers for all of his

816
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: establishments and all of his corporate events and everything. And

817
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: so it was funny that it started off as this

818
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: thing to really help my family along, and then it

819
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: ended up being this amazing career by the time I

820
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: left Houston and moved to Nashville. So, you know, the

821
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: Beatles would talk about I don't know the Beatles. I

822
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 1: just read book. I don't talk to you about it.

823
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: But if you know the Beatles, I don't know the Beatles.

824
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: But they they would always an interviews and in books

825
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: that would talk about going in They would be in Germany.

826
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: They play the clubs in Hamburg for you know, eight

827
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: nine hours at a time, and that's really where they

828
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: got good at everything because they had to do eight

829
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: or nine hours they had to play songs two or

830
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: three times. They'd have to play all these covers, the

831
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: occasional original. But that's where when you talk about singing

832
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: three or four hours, and they were like, well, we

833
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 1: learned how not to be tired. For sure, you would

834
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: sing for eight hours, you would, or you'd play for it.

835
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: You just be tired. But we learned how not to

836
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: be tired and perform at a high level because we

837
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: had to do it so off. And so when you're

838
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: telling that story about you having a sing for three

839
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: or four hours a night and your voice wasn't even tired,

840
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 1: we had to learn how to do that. It's probably

841
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: easier to not go blow your voice while doing a

842
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: show now because you've had all this training. Is a

843
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: good word for it, like it's literal, it's hard. It

844
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: was paid practice time. That's what I thought of it

845
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 1: as when I was seventeen, which I think is a

846
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: really mature way to think of it as a teenager.

847
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,439
Speaker 1: Anytime I was like, man, I don't want to play

848
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: for four hours. This is really tiring. Um My mom

849
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: told me. She was like, you're just getting paid to

850
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: basically practice every song in every key, in every format,

851
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 1: whether people are paying attention to you, or whether they're

852
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: paying more attention to the football game behind you on

853
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: the screen, Like it doesn't matter. You're getting paid to

854
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: practice and you can mess up and no one cares.

855
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 1: You did a show with Stapleton, actually did a whole

856
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 1: tour with Stapleton, which I have a funny story about. Okay,

857
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: so you go, you have a story for me or Okay,

858
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 1: So first, how did you and Chris even come together?

859
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: What was that? I was kind of online friends with Morgan,

860
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: his wife, and we just kind of followed each other

861
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: for a little bit up until the c m As

862
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: last year when I sang with Mickey and Brittany and

863
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: I met them because their table was right in front

864
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: of our table, and I had just come off the

865
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: stage from singing. My makeup is all sweating down my

866
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: face because I'm crying and sobbing with the girls, and

867
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: Morgan and I have already been basically Instagram friends for

868
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: a couple of months, and she points at me and

869
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: she blines it for me because she loved the performance,

870
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: and she really really loved my music at the time,

871
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: and she'd play it for her family, and we just

872
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 1: made that connection there at the c m A S.

873
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: And I was again sobbing more because these are my

874
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: two musical heroes and the fact that I was getting

875
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,439
Speaker 1: to meet them on this really historical night, not only

876
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: in my career but just in country music, it was

877
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: kind of unreal for me. So you meet then and

878
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: then who does she go come come out with this

879
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 1: or yeah, my my touring agent, Lenore. She was the

880
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,959
Speaker 1: one that reached out to them when they were looking

881
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: for a new opener, and Yola had come off for

882
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: a few events that she was already doing and they

883
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: were looking for someone to fill yolas spot, which actually

884
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: this rolls perfectly into my story. So one of the

885
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: spots that Yola was out for was Chris's massive Kentucky

886
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: concert at a stadium and the lineup am I allowed

887
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: to cuss on this? Okay? The lineup was Chris s Tableton,

888
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,760
Speaker 1: Willie Nelson, Ryl Crow and who the fuck is Madeleine Edwards?

889
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: That was the lineup. And very shortly before this happened,

890
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: you were opening I think for Brooks and done was

891
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: it and you had a song come out called No

892
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: One Cares About the Opener Garth Brooks. I was the

893
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: opener yeah, yeah, I've never felt more seen than when

894
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: you released that song on Instagram and it was like

895
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: literally right before I was about to open in this

896
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: stadium for all of this massive star lineup, and then

897
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: everyone's not only like that, Liver, It's okay, it's like legitimately,

898
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: I've never heard of this girl and what is happening

899
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: right now? So I felt very seen in that moment.

900
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: Thank you. That's funny. But the difference is you had talent. Again,

901
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: we go back to that. Here we are playing in

902
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: front of seventy people without talent and and whatever. Yeah

903
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: you know, Okay, So look you got the new album

904
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: that's out now, not tomorrow. I don't know, now what

905
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: do you? Let's talk expectations of the record that aren't

906
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: super personal, meaning find your stuff. I want people to

907
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: laugh and feel. I don't want to feel. But it's like,

908
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: also I wanted to be What do you want the

909
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 1: record to do? Are you true? Like, what's the what's

910
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: the purpose of this record when it comes to you

911
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: in Nashville? Is it setting something up? You wanted to

912
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: talk to be a number one? But what is it?

913
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: What's the deal? Is there a single that goes to

914
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: Mama Dolly Jesus. Okay, because we've I've played a bunch

915
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: of your songs on the National weekend show, you know,

916
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: I know you have, and thank you for that because

917
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: I've been a fan for a long time. Well, thank you.

918
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: So it's like, I just need to know what the

919
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: song is, you know. So yeah, Well, and the single

920
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: is definitely Mama Dolly Jesus. I think that we're going

921
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 1: is that what they know and they're gonna work that? Yes, okay, yes, es, Yes,

922
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: that's the one that we plan on working, whether it

923
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,439
Speaker 1: be to radio or whatever that means. That's the one, um,

924
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: which is why we did a music video to it.

925
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: But my hopes and anticipations for the record, and I'll

926
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: I'll preface this was saying, even if this record is

927
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: a total flop and it doesn't do anything, I'm really

928
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 1: proud of it. And this is exactly what I wanted

929
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: to make and produce, and this is the message that

930
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: I'm trying to give to the world. And so even

931
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: if it does terribly, I'm still kind of like, this

932
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: is my favorite record in my favorite piece of art

933
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: I've ever put out. But what I would like for

934
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: it to do, I want this to be a new

935
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: era for me. I want this to be an establishing

936
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: of my self here in Nashville in the country music space,

937
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: even in the contemporary music space, because I think mom

938
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 1: A Dooli Jesus has the potential to cross over to pop. UM.

939
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: And I really wanted to be kind of a statement

940
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 1: of this is who I am. And it's not snarky

941
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 1: or cheeky, because I'm I'm, you know, challenging the listener

942
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: to do the same thing. I'm challenging the listener to

943
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: do the hard work and be confident in themselves. UM.

944
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: There's really really sexy songs on here, like Forehead Kisses

945
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: or Playground that are very much UM. I'm very you know,

946
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: confident in my sexuality. I'm very confident in in who

947
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: I am as a woman, which especially in the Christian

948
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: music space, which I'm not in Christian music, but I

949
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: am a Christian. UM is usually looked down upon, and

950
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: I don't think it has to be. I think that

951
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: could be used in a really positive light, a woman

952
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: being confident in her body and being confident in her

953
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: sexuality and um. And then you have songs like how

954
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: Strong I Am and and talking about digging into the

955
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: pain and coming out a stronger person. So there's a

956
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: lot of different themes on the record. They all are

957
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: genuine to who I am, but it's all challenging the

958
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: listener to be confident in who they are. And so

959
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of my goal for it. I

960
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: don't really know, like accolades wise, what I'm I mean, Obviously,

961
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: I would love it to go as far as I

962
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: as I think it could go, which is, you know,

963
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: I think this album could be recognized at least by Grammys.

964
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: There if you don't say it, how's it supposed to do? It?

965
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: You let people know your goals so they can help you.

966
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to sound egotistical, that's not

967
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 1: I asked you the question. I asked you the question,

968
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: would you like to go? I love to one of

969
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: Grammy Boom? There we go. Yeah, I knew it was

970
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: personally fulfilling, Like I I really because I know that's

971
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: who you are, right, You're not gonna do something that

972
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: isn't you, And I'm glad you said that. But let's

973
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: let's go. Let's get some big goals. We're not scared

974
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: of goals now, I'm not. I think. I always kind

975
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: of struggle with like, I want to say what I want,

976
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: but I don't want people to think that I'm egotistical

977
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: or narcissistic for thinking that. And there's a very fine

978
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: line to what people think as I mean, you are,

979
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,439
Speaker 1: like I said about me and arrogance, I don't feel

980
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: like American at all, but I definitely can see sometimes

981
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: I cross the line to people where they do think that,

982
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, yeah, I gotta I got a

983
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 1: good point of feeling that way, because it could have

984
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: come off that way. But I don't care. I tried to.

985
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: I don't care as much about what people that people

986
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: understand me anymore because if they don't, either they will

987
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 1: eventually or I'll just die and just be under un understood,

988
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: and you know, I'll be one of the great thinkers

989
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: that nobody ever really die. Not the part at the point, Okay,

990
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: look here we are. The album is out. I everybody,

991
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: I'm telling you just go listen to it. Um. It

992
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: has been out for a bunch of days now, I

993
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: don't I don't know any days at this point, tons

994
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 1: of days, tons of so many days. I'm just about

995
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: a big fan. I enjoyed you anyway without knowing you.

996
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: But everything that people told me about you, not they

997
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: weren't exactly true. It's true. We're meeting you than even

998
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: they said, Like, I really enjoy just spend a time

999
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: with you. Yeah, you're very You're you're very deliberate, and

1000
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: I appreciate thank you. I will say, I've been kind

1001
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: of waiting for this call because I feel like music

1002
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: is not cool until Bobby Bones says it's cool. And

1003
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: I was like, I saw you interviewing a lot of

1004
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: my friends. I'm like, man, he doesn't think my ship

1005
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 1: is cool yet. I guess I just got to keep making.

1006
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: I kept like making cooler and cooler ship, and oh,

1007
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,439
Speaker 1: Bobby Bones didn't call me. I guess it's not that cool.

1008
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,280
Speaker 1: But then finally you have a new album coming out album.

1009
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: If we would have called you two months ago, I

1010
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been the same, right, it would have us

1011
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: got to know each other. But then you would have

1012
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: missed a prime opportunity, or I would have missed a

1013
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: prime opportunity to promote something new that you have just spent. Well,

1014
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: you know what this means now it meets I don't

1015
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It means my ship is cool.

1016
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: It already was. No, No, it already was. I'm telling you,

1017
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: I've played uh too much of a good thing. Heart.

1018
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,439
Speaker 1: You can't break hold my horses, sports City, thinking about

1019
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: you been all this stuff I played right, So I

1020
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: already thought it was cool. That's alright. So it was

1021
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: never that. It was always timing on when can you

1022
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: come in and promote your newest thing? And it makes

1023
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: We have a million people who listen to this, so

1024
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure that when you came in,

1025
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: we took their gift and we said, this is the

1026
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: gift I'm presenting you. It's Madalin and she's presenting her

1027
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: new project, her new music. There we go where everybody wins.

1028
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: That's why you've always been cool. Thanks. I on the

1029
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: other hand, I have not, and I am not secured

1030
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: in my body. And we'll just end it there at

1031
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: making Madalen. That's it. Go go follow. What are you

1032
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: doing the rest of the day. The rest of the day, Oh,

1033
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: my family's income. They're coming in town because I'm singing

1034
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: for the Opery again, So I'm gonna be cleaning my

1035
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: house for the rest of the day. When you form

1036
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: the oy tomorrow, Saturday today, tomorrow we'll talk in real

1037
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: terms now. Were actual recording this on a Thursday, but

1038
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: so's Friday night the night? Yeah, Oh that's cool. Good

1039
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 1: for you. Big week. Yeah, it's a big week. Operates

1040
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: a cool spot to do on an album released, because one,

1041
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: it's the Opery Opera is always cool. Um too. The

1042
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: it's on satellite radio. It's on all these ws M,

1043
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: so there's actually a reach as well aside from it

1044
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: just being the Opery and then there's a lot of

1045
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: good social that comes out of it. That's that's a

1046
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: good good spot. I love it. We're gonna also be

1047
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,439
Speaker 1: doing Mama Dolly Jesus with their bands with the Opery Band,

1048
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: which I think is going to go so hard, and

1049
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: then we're gonna really strip it down and I'm going

1050
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 1: to be playing all by myself on their grand Too

1051
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: much of a good thing. I think that is a

1052
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: perfect little spot right there. I've never heard anyone so

1053
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: the Opery Band goes hard, but I like it. They

1054
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: will on this song. They you will make them, I

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