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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron, and each week on Beyond Content,

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Speaker 3: we'll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of

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Speaker 3: the classic cases, and bring you the latest information from

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Speaker 3: the newest cases as we talked with the top experts.

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Speaker 3: Happy New Year everyone, and welcome to Beyond Contact. I'm

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Speaker 3: Captain Ron, and today we're speaking once again to producer Bri.

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Speaker 3: Bri is not only my dear dear friend, but she's

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Speaker 3: also the producer of this very podcast, and she's also

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Speaker 3: the producer of the Great Contact in the Desert Conference.

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Speaker 3: Today we're going to take a super quick look back

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Speaker 3: at twenty twenty four, then examined several historical UFO cases

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Speaker 3: and then lastly, we're going to look ahead to twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty five and this year's Contact in the Desert event Well,

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Speaker 3: Hello there, Brianna.

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Speaker 4: Hello, Hello, Happy New Year. Thanks for having me on again.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I understand that you took the entire day off

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Speaker 3: on Christmas Day, which feels very unacceptable to me. I

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Speaker 5: I'll take my lashings.

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Speaker 3: Okay. So twenty twenty four was a really good year

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Speaker 3: for the UFO community. It felt like things were really

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Speaker 3: moving forward, so much so that this year's theme that

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Speaker 3: many ways that things are on the cusp of changing now.

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Speaker 3: None of us believe that the Big D disclosure from

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Speaker 3: Then at the tail end of the year, we had

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Speaker 4: I saw many. I am a TikToker, so I saw

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Speaker 4: I'm very suspicious about it. I definitely do not think

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Speaker 4: but it's also not a foreign adversary. They're canceling out

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Speaker 4: Why are these still happening and why aren't they telling

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Speaker 3: It does seem if it was a foreign adversary that

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Speaker 3: But like you were saying to me earlier, you think

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Speaker 4: I know that in New Jersey ABC News they were

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Speaker 3: Let's talk now about the famous case that took place

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Speaker 3: It's often referred to as is Roswell and deservedly so.

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Speaker 3: This is one of my very, very very favorite cases.

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Speaker 3: Jim Peniston and Airman John Burrows, were on patrol near

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Speaker 4: On January twenty fifth, nineteen sixty seven, Betty Anderson was

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Speaker 4: Betty underwent twelve hours of hypnotic progression, multiple polygraph tests,

436
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 4: and psychiatric evaluations.

437
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 5: Betty passed all of those.

438
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 4: Tests that she was given Juel said quote Betty and

439
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 4: her daughter were both given psychological stress evaluations by a

440
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 4: detective who definitely believes what they are saying is true.

441
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 4: The team's five hundred and twenty eight page review came

442
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 4: to the conclusion that Becky and Betty were sane individuals

443
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 4: who genuinely believed their encounter to be true. Later, a

444
00:25:55,760 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 4: ufologist Robert Fowler wrote multiple books about Betty's encounter, which

445
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 4: doctor j Allen Heyanik wrote a forward for.

446
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 5: I think Robert wrote.

447
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 4: A total of five books about her entire case and

448
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 4: things that went on afterwards. It has all of those

449
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 4: details that we hear from other experiencers and abduction encounters,

450
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 4: from what they wore to their fingers, the slit in

451
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 4: their mouth of course, being graized with these large heads,

452
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 4: and telepathically communicating the imagery and the videos that they showed,

453
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 4: you know, once she was on board the craft. We

454
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 4: are that time and time again. That seems to be

455
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 4: very cohesive, and a lot of abduction experiences, all.

456
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 3: Of these things you're mentioning, Brie are and that always

457
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 3: strengthens it for me. If people were making it up,

458
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 3: why wouldn't they make up? I saw a giant blue

459
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 3: alligator or something completely different. It's interesting that even back

460
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 3: this is before our time, back in nineteen sixty seven,

461
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 3: and she's saying the exact same things. Whitley is very

462
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 3: similar to a lot of this, as we're going to

463
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,199
Speaker 3: find out in the next segment, and many of the

464
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 3: other cases that you and I have looked into. Bree

465
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 3: has a lot of these same things. You mentioned. The gliding.

466
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 3: I thought that was interesting because they don't often walk.

467
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 3: They have a weird gage or movement to them. The

468
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 3: telepathic communication, We've heard that time and time and time again.

469
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 3: Paralysis a big part of the abduction experience, the medical

470
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 3: procedure being performed on them, all of these things seem

471
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 3: to really be repeated over and over for the last

472
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 3: fifty years.

473
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, a classic case. And you know, at first, at first,

474
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 4: when I glanced over, I thought, oh, this is crazy.

475
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 4: This woman is claiming that she was in her house,

476
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 4: you know, doing the dishes, and it's you know, things

477
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 4: are going on in the family, and all of a sudden,

478
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 4: everyone froze. But then when you hear the details, it's like, oh, well,

479
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 4: we do hear that, and then it just leads a

480
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 4: bigger question of how are they able to do that?

481
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 3: How can you all five of them are seem to

482
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 3: be witnessed to the same event.

483
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm curious, like a blue book. So when

484
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 4: I first heard that, I also thought, oh, come on,

485
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 4: like project blue book?

486
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 5: What is this blue book?

487
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 3: You know? But well, wait a minute, this, well, yeah,

488
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 3: that was probably going on by nineteen sixty seven.

489
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 4: Definitely wash. But I do like the fact that doctor

490
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 4: j Allen Heineck dismissed this case. And then it wasn't

491
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 4: until all of these different professionals were in and they took,

492
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 4: you know, more than a year to conduct all of

493
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 4: these experiments and tests to try to figure out if

494
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 4: she was telling the truth or what was going on,

495
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 4: and they all were like, there's something to this, to

496
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 4: the point where it then changed my next point of view.

497
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 4: And he ended up writing forward for one of the

498
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 4: books talking about it.

499
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 3: So therecause you know, Brie, doctor Heinek changed his position

500
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 3: as he went on from being a hard, hard skeptic,

501
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 3: strictly scientific look at this topic to believing that there

502
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 3: was more to it.

503
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 4: It's difficult because I know it sounds wild at first,

504
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 4: and then all of that comes in and it just

505
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 4: validates the experience. It's another one of those things where

506
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 4: you know, truth is stranger than fiction.

507
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I do like when you keep hearing the

508
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 3: same material, like we keep saying, I do think that

509
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 3: that really supports the validity of a lot of these claims.

510
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 3: And this is back in nineteen sixty seven. It's not

511
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,959
Speaker 3: like she read Communion, it's not like she saw close encounters,

512
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 3: it's not like any of that. So that makes it

513
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 3: even stronger to me.

514
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, she was just.

515
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 4: A thirty year old, I mean, thirty year old with

516
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 4: seven kids.

517
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 5: You think she has time to make all of this up.

518
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 5: That's crazy.

519
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 4: It's it's insane, you know. And then, of course, something

520
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,479
Speaker 4: that's been popping up even on your podcast lately, is

521
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 4: subsequently after that, she started having other paranormal encounters, other

522
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 4: strange things happening to her. And that's something that you know,

523
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 4: you've discussed with many people, Jay, Christopher King, and even

524
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 4: Jason Quit And it's basically almost like you are opened

525
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 4: up to one section of the unknown and for some

526
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 4: reason you become this beam of light where everything else

527
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 4: then comes to you as well. You are now a

528
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 4: part of the strange club, you know, I think that's

529
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 4: very interesting as well.

530
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 3: Well, Brie, I think of you as part of the

531
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 3: Strange club too. Let me just be clear about that.

532
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 3: We need to take a break here, Brie. When we

533
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 3: come back, we're going to talk about Whitley Streeber and

534
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 3: we're going to talk about his initial encounters with the visitors.

535
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Speaker 3: You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast

536
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 3: to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are back on

537
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Speaker 3: Beyond Contact and now I'd like to discuss another of

538
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 3: these most famous cases ever, and that is mister Whitley Streeber,

539
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 3: who wrote Communion, and we're going to talk about his

540
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 3: first encounter, which took place on December twenty sixth, nineteen

541
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 3: eighty five. When Whitley had his first experience, he described

542
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 3: waking up in the middle of the night with a

543
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 3: sense of foreboding and that the room around him seemed

544
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 3: dark and oppressive, and he felt that he began feeling

545
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 3: a strange presence in the room. At first, he too

546
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 3: was paralyzed with fear, unable to move. He then saw

547
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 3: these figures entering the room. They were tall, thin beings

548
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 3: with large, black almond shaped eyes. He features that don't

549
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 3: conform to any known human or animal type, so he

550
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 3: had a hard time processing what he was looking at.

551
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 3: He describes them as seeming to radiate an eerie, cold

552
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 3: intelligence about them. During this encounter, Strieber as a series

553
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 3: of physical sensations. He feels an invasive presence in his body,

554
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 3: particularly around his head, and experiences what can only be

555
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 3: described as a form of telepathic communication, just like you

556
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 3: brought up in your case, pray. These experience has all

557
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 3: felt very strange to him, and he is unsure whether

558
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 3: the communication is even with these visitors themselves or some

559
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 3: other force. He has no idea what's happening. He was

560
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 3: initially unaware of what was happening, and he felt that

561
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 3: these experiences were filling him with dread, confusion, and terror.

562
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 3: He later recalls the sense of being physically transported, usually

563
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 3: in a state of paralysis, again to a different location,

564
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 3: often a board what he thought was a craft, or

565
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 3: at least in a strange clinical environment, again medical procedure.

566
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 3: At times, he felt as though he was being operated

567
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 3: on or subjected to very invasive medical procedures. He also

568
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 3: describes a deep sense of powerlessness in fear during these encounters.

569
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 3: He reported that the strange phenomenon happened to him, such

570
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 3: as missing time, vivid dreams, unexplained physical symptoms like bruises

571
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 3: marks on his body, and a sense of paralysis, all

572
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 3: of which again seem very commonplace to us today, as

573
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 3: we often hear these in typical abduction cases. Interestingly, Whitney

574
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 3: does not call them aliens. Instead, he said he's grippling

575
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 3: with the idea that he might be experiencing a psychological

576
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 3: breakdown or some form of disassociation. Over time, he begins

577
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 3: to confront these memories through hypnosis and personal reflection, and

578
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 3: he comes to the conclusion that he indeed may have

579
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 3: been actually dealing with some sort of extraterrestrial being. He

580
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 3: then decided to call them the visitors because their appearance

581
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 3: and their behavior was so unsettling in a way that

582
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 3: transcends any known species. These experiences led him to question

583
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 3: the nature of reality, consciousness, and the possibility of a

584
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 3: hidden dimension to the human experience. All of this back

585
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty five, he really seemed to be the

586
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 3: first to lay out these experiences in the specific way

587
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 3: that he did, which we often hear repeated today. I

588
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 3: know your case was twenty years earlier, and she had

589
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 3: many similar experiences as Whitley did, but he really laid

590
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 3: it out in Communion, and since then we've seen it

591
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 3: repeated time and time again. What I always like to

592
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 3: say about Whitley also is again I've had the pleasure

593
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 3: of knowing him for some time now. I find him

594
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 3: very credible and a wonderful man. There was a lot

595
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 3: of skepticism when this book came out because he was

596
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 3: a science fiction writer, so many people thought this whole

597
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 3: thing was just a fabrication. That made sense to me

598
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 3: when the book came out, it doesn't. Now Here we

599
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 3: are literally forty five years later, and he has not

600
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 3: only stuck to his story, he has continued to be

601
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 3: a driving force in the UFO community and he's still

602
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 3: trying to figure out what's happening. Also, we have heard

603
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 3: many of the first person accounts that really seem to

604
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 3: echo his experience, which again strengthens the credibility of his

605
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 3: initial encounter. And it's an amazing book. If you haven't

606
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 3: read Communion yet, go out there and read it. The

607
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 3: other great news, Brie, is that we have the honor

608
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 3: of having Whitley Strieber back at Contact in the Desert

609
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 3: this year. We're really excited to have him. We had

610
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 3: him last year. He was on our Legends panel, well deserved.

611
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 3: We've got a really fantastic lineup this year, bri As

612
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 3: only you and I know.

613
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 4: Yes, we will also have mister Josh Gates from the

614
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 4: Great Discovery Show Expedition Unknown. We're definitely excited for that

615
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 4: and to bring him into this community. You know, let's

616
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 4: bring all the pieces together.

617
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, Josh is a perfect fit for us because if

618
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 3: you've ever watched Expedition Unknown, he basically is seeking the truth.

619
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 3: That's what we do on this podcast, That's what we

620
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 3: do at Contact in the Desert to try to get

621
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 3: to the bottom of what's really happening. And he explores

622
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 3: a wide variety of topics, but ultimately he's seeking to

623
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 3: get to the truth. And that's why I think he's

624
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 3: a perfect match for Contact in the Desert This year.

625
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 3: We're going to have a lot of our classic speakers back,

626
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 3: including the great George Nori from Coast to Coast of course,

627
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 3: the great Richard Dolan. Just the giants in our industry

628
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 3: are going to be back. It's just this is a

629
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 3: mussy event. I'm getting genuinely excited, and I don't want

630
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 3: to go through our whole list here, but a few

631
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,240
Speaker 3: of the great names are going to be Danny Sheehan

632
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 3: of course, We're going to have the guys from Ancient Aliens,

633
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 3: Jason Martel and Nick Pope and William Henry, and then

634
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 3: somebody that's new to our community that was at our

635
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 3: event last year who's awesome. We just hung out with

636
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 3: him at the HDA thing over the holiday, Thomas Jane.

637
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 3: He's going to be speaking again. Sarah Brexman Cosume is

638
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 3: going to be there, and Tracy Garbett is going to

639
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 3: be there as well, talking about both remote viewing and

640
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 3: abduction experiences.

641
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 4: And we're also going to be having some new interesting

642
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 4: people who may have spoken at Contact or they haven't

643
00:36:55,160 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 4: for many years, including David Plats, Chris Bledsoell.

644
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 5: And many many more.

645
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 4: We're also going to be having a lot of great

646
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 4: podcasters this year, more than we even had last year,

647
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 4: who will be doing their show live, including last podcasts

648
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 4: on the left.

649
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Speaker 5: So that's going to be a ton of fun, you know, Aree,

650
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 5: I think.

651
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 3: We should bring beyond Contact to Contact in the Desert. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: the show started right before contact last year. We should

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Speaker 3: do it live at Contact in the Desert.

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Speaker 4: This year, absolutely, And I know something we're both questionable

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Speaker 4: about is maybe asking some people if they've had a

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Speaker 4: really interesting sighting and want to talk about it.

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Speaker 5: So maybe that's something that we can.

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Speaker 4: Do at Contact, maybe bringing some of our attendees and

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Speaker 4: making them a.

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Speaker 5: Part of the bigger picture there. I think that would

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Speaker 5: be really great.

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Speaker 3: Attendees are a huge part of Contact in the Desert,

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Speaker 3: as you know better than anyone, Bree. It's one of

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Speaker 3: these things I continually say on different interviews, how contact

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Speaker 3: in the Desert really truly is the definition of the

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Speaker 3: whole is greater than the sum of its parts. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you and I can sit here all day and all

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Speaker 3: night and we do creating these things and putting together

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Speaker 3: speakers and whatever. But it's then those speakers come up

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Speaker 3: with their ideas and they bring them to Contact, and

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Speaker 3: then our attendees come and they have their stories. If

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Speaker 3: they don't have a personal experience, they've heard of something,

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Speaker 3: and everybody's sort of exchanging these ideas and it just grows,

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Speaker 3: and every little contact in the desert has its own

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Speaker 3: sort of identity or feel and it just happens extremely

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Speaker 3: organically every time I've gone. It's incredible how that does happen.

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Speaker 3: And we like to give freedom to the speakers to

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Speaker 3: choose to talk about what they want so that these

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, it is a home for anyone into these unknown topics,

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Speaker 4: all sorts of people, all sorts of topics that all

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Speaker 4: have to do with the unknown and trying to push

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Speaker 4: past the boundary of conventional answers. It is so great

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Speaker 4: the community that builds there. That's obviously got me involved

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Speaker 4: in Contact. I do honestly feel like it's a home.

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Speaker 4: It is a wonderful place to be. So many friendships

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Speaker 4: and memories happen, and you just never know who you're

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Speaker 4: going to talk to, and maybe two different ideas tend

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Speaker 4: to coincide together and something new.

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Speaker 5: Comes from that.

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Speaker 4: I think that's also really interesting is it does ignite

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Speaker 4: further answers or even just different hypothesis to play with. Agreed,

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Speaker 4: Many of our speakers will be coming to our website

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Speaker 4: very soon, so make sure to check that out at

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Speaker 4: Contactsthdesert dot com and make sure to subscribe to our

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Speaker 4: email for more upcoming events and announcements. You can also

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Speaker 4: grab your early bird tickets that are available right now.

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Speaker 4: You do not want to miss out on this year.

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Speaker 3: I agree, and Brie, we better stop there. We need

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Speaker 3: to stop there because Brien needs to get back to work.

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Speaker 3: You took off Christmas the entire day. You know how

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Speaker 3: this happens. But we're gonna go ahead and get her

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Speaker 3: back to work. You're wasting your time on this podcast.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why you're still eaving on the screen.

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Speaker 3: You should get to work. Get back on your screen,

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Speaker 3: and thank you for everyone for listening today. We hope

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Speaker 3: you enjoyed these stories we did, and we'll see you

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Speaker 3: at Contact in the Desert this spring. It's going to

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Speaker 3: be from May twenty ninth through June second, and we're

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Speaker 3: going to be back next week with an all new

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Speaker 3: episode of Beyond Contact. You can follow me Captain Ron

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Speaker 3: right here on Twitter and Instagram at CITD Underscore. Captain Ron,

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Speaker 3: stay open minded and rational as we explore the unknown

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Speaker 3: right here on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM

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Speaker 3: Paranormal Podcast Network.

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