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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from

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Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined by my

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Speaker 1: trusted colleague West Hodkowitz. Were coming to you here from

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Speaker 1: our studios at lambeau Field West here today to talk

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Speaker 1: about Rookie Minicamp, which took place last weekend. It was

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Speaker 1: our first chance, the Packers coaches, first chance to see

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Speaker 1: this rookie class, particularly the nine draft picks um in

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Speaker 1: uniform going through some drills out there on Clarke Hinkle Field.

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Speaker 1: What were your first impressions, anything that you walked away

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Speaker 1: from those two days of practice thinking about t J.

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Speaker 1: Slayton is a massive human being the first thing. Uh

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Speaker 1: Amari Rodgers Man, I saw it. I again, we have

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Speaker 1: a long way to go see what kind of pro

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Speaker 1: Marie Rogers is going to be. But it's funny you

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Speaker 1: go through this too when you do these stories on guys.

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Speaker 1: Is after the draft, he talked to some of their

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Speaker 1: position coaches or a parent or a sibling. You get

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Speaker 1: you also got a feel for who they are as

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Speaker 1: a player. And it's one thing to look at a

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Speaker 1: biography or to look at an NFL dot Com scouting

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Speaker 1: report for a draft pick and see five ft nine

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Speaker 1: different measurables and times and backgrounds. But when you watch

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Speaker 1: him on the practice field, you understand why he's a

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Speaker 1: third round pick. You understand why this is a guy

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Speaker 1: the Packers traded up to secure. It's you know, the

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Speaker 1: Tyler Grisham swears he's a four or four guy. You

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Speaker 1: saw the explosiveness. You saw how when you're that, when

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Speaker 1: you're that size, Mike, you got to be able to

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Speaker 1: to catch the ball natural with your hands. You gotta

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Speaker 1: keep it away from your body. He did all that.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't without flaw. I mean, there was a drop

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Speaker 1: to the quarterbacks. But I just I was really intrigued

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Speaker 1: by Maybe it's because we haven't seen a rookie draft

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Speaker 1: I I just for me, that was the guy had

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Speaker 1: think there were definitely a few of the guys that

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Speaker 1: because when we first got to look at Eric Stokes

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Speaker 1: Jayar Alexander and Darnell Savage and these other really fast

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Speaker 1: round pick, because because his speed, um, you know, jumps

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Speaker 1: also say, very much as advertised, we heard a lot

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Speaker 1: large man. I mean Wow. You know we're around we're

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Speaker 1: impact with this roster. Yeah, absolutely, Um quickly, here, what's

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Speaker 1: one third of the Packers draft class three of the

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Speaker 1: with regard to Josh Meyers, Cole Van Landon, and Royce Newman,

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Speaker 1: No question, didn't mean to step on your voice either

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Speaker 1: with that punch line. That's a good one. Uh. Here's

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