Speaker 1: What's that at the.
Speaker 2: Spooky Hey, juky, I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming
Speaker 2: this way.
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, I days pllease, hey boo.
Speaker 2: It's me Raz and Welcome to Ghosted by Raz Hernandez,
Speaker 2: the podcast where I talk to people that I like
Speaker 2: about people that die and then sort of come back
Speaker 2: to life, but this time they're invisible. I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: explain what ghosts are, but you you know, you know
Speaker 2: what it is, and that's what we talk about, that
Speaker 2: sort of a thing. I'm joined by Jackie beat on
Speaker 2: today's episode. This is her third time coming on. She
Speaker 2: was on once with Alaska thunder Fox, another time with
Speaker 2: Sherry Vine. She's one of my very close friends and
Speaker 2: drag icon. She's been doing drag as long as I've
Speaker 2: been alive. That's not an exaggeration. She's also a comedy writer.
Speaker 2: She's written for Joan Rivers and all kinds of people
Speaker 2: and traveled the world. She's wonderful and she's always got
Speaker 2: some great stories. So we'll get to that. But before
Speaker 2: I got a story here from Aaron, and Aaron's got
Speaker 2: one about working in a haunted restaurant. Give it to me,
Speaker 2: all right, Here we go This fine dining restaurant called Taylor's,
Speaker 2: was located in a two story building built around the
Speaker 2: eighteen fifties in a tiny town next to the Mississippi
Speaker 2: River about twenty five miles south of Saint Louis. It's
Speaker 2: one of those buildings that's been everything at one point
Speaker 2: or another. It had been a school, a saloon, a
Speaker 2: general store, etc. By the time the restaurant opened, it
Speaker 2: had been completely remodeled but had some original elements. It
Speaker 2: was very ornate, with dark woods, heavy curtains, gold leaf wallpaper, etc.
Speaker 2: Sounds haunted, so my first experience had a bit of
Speaker 2: a domino effect after I shared this with my coworkers,
Speaker 2: as it seemed most of them were biting their tongues
Speaker 2: about their own weird happenings. They just didn't want to
Speaker 2: be the first one to say anything. The restaurant layout
Speaker 2: was a little weird since it was not originally meant
Speaker 2: for food service. The small kitchen accessed a basement area
Speaker 2: where the main prep area was a super creepy cellar
Speaker 2: that we stored extra wine and liquor, as well as
Speaker 2: the office space at the bottom of the stairs. Next
Speaker 2: to the office was the weekly schedule it was just
Speaker 2: just a few minutes before we opened for dinner service.
Speaker 2: As I was standing looking at the schedule, I one
Speaker 2: hundred percent heard kids laughing, like having a grand old time.
Speaker 2: It sounded like at least two, maybe three kids, and
Speaker 2: I would guess that they sounded around age five or six.
Speaker 2: It sounded like they were in the kitchen at the
Speaker 2: top of the stairs. I swear to God, just giggling away.
Speaker 2: As I said earlier, this was a fine dining restaurant.
Speaker 2: It wasn't very often that we had kids, as it
Speaker 2: was more for special occasions and date nights. It should
Speaker 2: also be noted that the kitchen was empty at the time.
Speaker 2: All of the kitchen staff was outside far from the
Speaker 2: building taking their last smoke break before dinner started, and
Speaker 2: the rest of the building was super quiet. When I
Speaker 2: heard these kids, I assumed it was some customers. Of course,
Speaker 2: immediately I was annoyed. In a huff. I went to
Speaker 2: the front of the building where the hostess stand and
Speaker 2: asked the hostess on duty, did you see that table
Speaker 2: in my section? She looked at me funny and asked
Speaker 2: what table. I then explained that I heard some kids,
Speaker 2: so I assumed it was the first table of the night.
Speaker 2: The hostess informed me that the doors weren't even unlocked
Speaker 2: yet the place was completely empty. After that story was shared,
Speaker 2: the floodgates opened of other employees sharing their own weird experiences.
Speaker 2: I worked at Tailor's about four years, and before I
Speaker 2: left there were countless super spooky stories. For example, ghost
Speaker 2: customers and period clothing seated at a table, only to
Speaker 2: disappear when the server turned to greet them, sounds of
Speaker 2: blood curdling screams from an unseen woman, surveillance video of
Speaker 2: a woman in a flowy period style dress sprinting down
Speaker 2: the hallway when the restaurant was closed, the constant feeling
Speaker 2: of someone in a top coming up the staircase, how
Speaker 2: do you feel a man with a top hat, lights
Speaker 2: going off on their own, a staff meeting being interrupted
Speaker 2: by a door being knocked on from an unknown source, etc. Etc.
Speaker 2: So she never heard the children again, but one time,
Speaker 2: while bartending, she writes, I distinctly saw a woman outside
Speaker 2: of the window wearing a cloak type coat with a
Speaker 2: hood hiding her face, walk seemingly into the side of
Speaker 2: the building. So apparently now it is a K C Hall.
Speaker 2: Is that Knights of Columbus. Maybe yeah, they probably have
Speaker 2: their own stories. Oof. Okay, well, thank you for sharing that. Aaron. Hey,
Speaker 2: let's talk to a legendary drag queen. Here's me with
Speaker 2: Jackie beets On with the show. I don't believe it.
Speaker 2: I am joined by a rare three time guest. Normally
Speaker 2: I've got on comedians and uh, celebrities and that sort
Speaker 2: of thing. But I'm gonna make an exception this time.
Speaker 2: Okay to Welcome to the show, Jackie Bee.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see how this is gonna work.
Speaker 2: I'm just kidding. It's the legendary Jackie Bee, my dear
Speaker 2: dear friends who I love so dearly.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Legendary sounds so much better than will be
Speaker 1: dead soon. Yeah, but I promised to come back and
Speaker 1: haunt you.
Speaker 2: Yes, that will be the that's the exciting part, and
Speaker 2: that's the exciting part.
Speaker 1: I can't wait till you're dead, Jackie.
Speaker 2: Well, I was gonna also say you've got some great
Speaker 2: collectibles that I've been having my eyes on for a while.
Speaker 1: Kay. Honestly, I can't tell you how many friends of
Speaker 1: mine are like girl. The moment we hear that you
Speaker 1: have croaked, we are breaking that's front window.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be like a Black Friday sale. Like, yes,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be like when ticklemy Elmo first came out
Speaker 2: and people were like pile driving each other to get
Speaker 2: the toy.
Speaker 1: I'm too young to get that reference raz you know what.
Speaker 2: I'm also gonna call you a mentor of mine. Oh well,
Speaker 2: so people can blame you.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, to which I would say, don't
Speaker 1: blame me, bitch. Can we say bitch? Because it's hard
Speaker 1: to talk to you without saying it.
Speaker 2: Most of my listeners are children and conservatives and Christians
Speaker 2: and that sort of thing, so they don't typically like that.
Speaker 1: I just pictured like an eight year old in a
Speaker 1: conservative suit, you know, like going.
Speaker 2: To That's my demographic.
Speaker 1: So I'm a triple threat. I'm eight, I love Jesus,
Speaker 1: and I have my own Amway business, and.
Speaker 2: I don't like the word bitch. No, you know, you
Speaker 2: can say whatever you want, Jackie. It's a podcast. Okay,
Speaker 2: So Jackie, you've been on twice. We've heard everything, or
Speaker 2: have we? Because I go out to lunch with you
Speaker 2: at least twice a week, and every once in a while,
Speaker 2: little one squeaks.
Speaker 1: Out, yes, and you start choking on your tofu. Yes,
Speaker 1: and you're like, you've never told me this one.
Speaker 2: Yes, you were telling me not the long ago about
Speaker 2: a UFO. Kind of a story from your childhood.
Speaker 1: I actually have two, Okay, Well, the first one is
Speaker 1: I lived in Scottsdale, Arizona, where I grew up. I
Speaker 1: lived across the street from these two kids, Mike and
Speaker 1: Larry Doyle and their mother, Terry Doyle, would make nachos
Speaker 1: with you know, taco flavored Dorito's and about a pound
Speaker 1: of shredded chedaded cheese. I love. All my stories are
Speaker 1: based around the delicious food we would have nachos and
Speaker 1: watch like Night Gallery and these creepy shows that were
Speaker 1: on TV in the seventies. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: remember Night Gallery. If nothing else, go on YouTube everybody
Speaker 1: and watch the opening credits of Night Gallery, because the
Speaker 1: opening credits were better than most of the episodes. But
Speaker 1: there's a famous episode with Joan Crawford.
Speaker 2: Yes, Steven Spielberg was. It was his first thing that
Speaker 2: he directed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and a lot of people posted a clip from
Speaker 1: it because she's like, I want to do this and
Speaker 1: do that, and it was kind of like a pandemic
Speaker 1: meme slash thing. So anyway, I was at their house
Speaker 1: Friday and at a certain point it's like, oh, you
Speaker 1: have to go home. So Terry Doyle, the mom, was
Speaker 1: walking me out across the street. You know, I don't
Speaker 1: remember how old. I was probably like eleven or something.
Speaker 1: She was like, all right, bye, and I turned around
Speaker 1: to say goodbye to her, and behind her in the
Speaker 1: sky I saw and this is going to sound like
Speaker 1: the gayest thing in the world. Oh wow, it was
Speaker 1: not only a triangle, it was rainbow.
Speaker 2: That's pretty good.
Speaker 1: And maybe I'm just remembering that it was multi colored.
Speaker 1: We're not talking full on, you know, gay pride. But
Speaker 1: it went kind of streaming behind her and she could
Speaker 1: see the look on my face. I was literally slack jawed,
Speaker 1: and I was just like and she's like, what's wrong,
Speaker 1: And I was like, I think I just saw UFO.
Speaker 1: And she was like, oh, get get in the house.
Speaker 1: You know, she was very no nonsense, as wives and
Speaker 1: mothers were back in the seventies.
Speaker 2: So did you come out as gay in that moment?
Speaker 1: Yes, I said, missus Doyle. Not only was it a UFO,
Speaker 1: but it was triangular and rainbow and on that note
Speaker 1: turned into Joan Rivers. Yeah, I am not only gay,
Speaker 1: but I will soon be a world famous drag star.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean Scottsdale area. There's, of course the famous
Speaker 2: Phoenix lights. Yes, that was, you know, something that happened
Speaker 2: in ninety seven. I believe where it was just a
Speaker 2: mass so many people saw UFOs and I mean Phoenix.
Speaker 2: Scottsdale's like, you know, very close neighbors.
Speaker 1: It's essentially the same thing. I mean, Scottsdale is like,
Speaker 1: you know, just a real ty term.
Speaker 2: Why do you think that UFOs like that area?
Speaker 1: Uh, I don't know. Like the Mexican food and shopping.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I like it. I go there all
Speaker 2: the time to go antique shopping. And my friend Alex
Speaker 2: LeMay she lives there.
Speaker 1: Oh god, I love her.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I think I don't know. Maybe it's just the desert.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's just like a lot of room to land.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It is kind of mystic. The other
Speaker 1: story that I had was we had this math teacher.
Speaker 1: I can't remember his name, which is fine because you
Speaker 1: probably shouldn't say someone's name. And again, this was the seventies,
Speaker 1: and he was this like no nonsense no bullshit, total
Speaker 1: dude mustache, you know, married, had a dog, went hunting,
Speaker 1: you know, pickup truck, that type of guy. Okay. And
Speaker 1: he was also like the football coach okay. So he
Speaker 1: was our math teacher. And I remember we came back
Speaker 1: from either spring break or like you know, a three
Speaker 1: day weekend, and we went to math class and he
Speaker 1: was like, kids, I want to talk to you today
Speaker 1: about something very serious. You know me, you know what
Speaker 1: kind of guy I am. I would not make this
Speaker 1: up this week. And I went hunting with my dog
Speaker 1: and I was in my truck and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: this blinding white light and he went on to tell
Speaker 1: this story. It's the classic, you know, next thing, you know,
Speaker 1: three hours have gone by, and you know, he wakes
Speaker 1: up and the dog is barking, and he was drawing
Speaker 1: charts and graphs on the chalkboard. And if you knew
Speaker 1: this guy, it would be like, I don't even know,
Speaker 1: like Marjorie Taylor Green, you know, saying, you know, let's
Speaker 1: go to a drag show. So I remember being like
Speaker 1: really scared, like this proves that this is real, because
Speaker 1: this is the last person on the planet who would
Speaker 1: entertain this. You know kind of thing.
Speaker 2: That's who you want to have these experiences. I need
Speaker 2: more people like that to have these experiences.
Speaker 1: Well, to me, it's like when you do crowd work.
Speaker 1: You can see the people like, talk to me, right,
Speaker 1: They're even raising their hand, and it's like, no, no,
Speaker 1: I want the person who, oh please, do not even
Speaker 1: come near me? Yeah, let alone talk to me. Is
Speaker 1: that similar or not?
Speaker 2: Well, that's not respecting boundaries. I think ruse probably more
Speaker 2: so what that is?
Speaker 1: And will that be cut out?
Speaker 2: There was another one from your childhood that you've told
Speaker 2: me before about this dream? Do you want to share
Speaker 2: that one?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, this was really one And it wasn't even
Speaker 1: my childhood really, I was an adult because oh you
Speaker 1: were okay, Well, I was a young adult and I
Speaker 1: had graduated from high school and moved back to Scottsdale
Speaker 1: and I lived with my mother, Liliana, who was very
Speaker 1: psychic and very witchy. I may have mentioned this the
Speaker 1: last time. My mom and dad's best friends growing up
Speaker 1: in Scottsdale, Arizona in the sixties and seventies were a
Speaker 1: gay couple named Bob and Jim, and they did everything together.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: And that is when they literally, I mean most gay
Speaker 1: couples there was a butcher and a femme. You know,
Speaker 1: for gay men and lesbians, there was kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: still that sort of heteronormative dynamic. So I remember Bob
Speaker 1: was really butch and he would you know, be with
Speaker 1: my dad in the garage building things and doing yard work.
Speaker 1: And Jim was you know, sort of femme for lack
Speaker 1: of a better word, and would go to brunch with
Speaker 1: my mom and then go shopping. So anyway, I moved
Speaker 1: back to Scottsdale and lived with my mom and my stepdad,
Speaker 1: and I remember I had this horrible dream. It was
Speaker 1: these giants. They had really round heads and lots of teeth,
Speaker 1: and they were literally ripping the heads off of people
Speaker 1: because they were giants, so it looked like they were
Speaker 1: holding almost like Barbie dolls. These people almost looked like
Speaker 1: a child's drawing because that big round head and like
Speaker 1: lots of teeth, you know, on like Law and Order
Speaker 1: SBU and they have like, you know, a thirty seven
Speaker 1: year old in the art department draw something with a
Speaker 1: crayon with their left hand, and it's like this child
Speaker 1: drew this disturbing picture. I mean this is horrible, And
Speaker 1: I remember feeling ashamed that I had such a hideous
Speaker 1: dream because they had people and there's a famous painting
Speaker 1: and I can't remember what it is, but it's like
Speaker 1: this giant ogre eating a person. So they were holding
Speaker 1: these people and they looked like Barbie dolls and they
Speaker 1: were ripping their heads off and like sucking stuff out
Speaker 1: of the neck. When I woke up, you know, I
Speaker 1: would always go in to see my mother, who was
Speaker 1: sitting in bed with her two dogs, Maxie and Willie.
Speaker 1: They were, you know, homosexuals.
Speaker 2: Right as you said that, my neighbor's dogs started barking.
Speaker 2: Is that something?
Speaker 1: Oh seriously? Yeah, anyway, I know I'm rambling, and I apologize.
Speaker 1: So my mom is sitting in bed, you know, in
Speaker 1: her nightgown, her big Italian boobs hanging there, and she's
Speaker 1: like smoking a pall mall and drinking coffee every morning,
Speaker 1: same thing. And I walk in and I was like
Speaker 1: good morning, and she's like hi, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I had the weirdest dream last night. And she goes
Speaker 1: giants and I was like what. She goes giants with
Speaker 1: lots of teeth and I was like what, And She's like,
Speaker 1: I dreamt that there was these giants with big round
Speaker 1: heads and lots of teeth, and they were holding people
Speaker 1: like dolls. And they were carving out little niches in
Speaker 1: the side of a mountain and putting the people there
Speaker 1: like on display, and they would point at them and say,
Speaker 1: don't move. Oh, and the part I forgot was in
Speaker 1: my dream I said to one of the giants, I said,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? And they said, don't ever question
Speaker 1: our traditions. So, anyway my mother and I had if
Speaker 1: it was the exact same dream, I would be like,
Speaker 1: that's super weird. But the fact that it was slightly
Speaker 1: different but very very similar, I don't know, it freaked
Speaker 1: us both out.
Speaker 2: That's so weird, Like the confidence she had just to
Speaker 2: be like giants.
Speaker 1: It's funny because when I said we both freaked out,
Speaker 1: I almost quall it fight it with. Actually I freaked
Speaker 1: out a lot more than she did. She was very like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course we had the same dream. I have to
Speaker 1: backtrack because the reason I brought up my mom and
Speaker 1: dad's best friends, the gay couple Bob and Jim, is
Speaker 1: to tell you how weird and witchy my mother was
Speaker 1: as a little little kid, I used to look through
Speaker 1: their drawers, and especially I don't know, at the top
Speaker 1: of the Bureau of old bedroom furniture, there used to
Speaker 1: be that thin drawer that held like pins and like
Speaker 1: kind of like accessories and little things, and I remember
Speaker 1: like just being fascinated, like an old coin and some
Speaker 1: beautiful scarves and a brooch, and you know, I was
Speaker 1: looking through and there was this silk scarf that was
Speaker 1: sort of folded differently than the others right on top,
Speaker 1: and I unfolded it and there was a picture of
Speaker 1: my mother with her best gay friend, Jim, and there
Speaker 1: was a pearl like hat pin, you know, with the
Speaker 1: big pearl at the end, okay, stuck through his eyes,
Speaker 1: and I was like ooh. And I remember seeing it
Speaker 1: and going, oh, my god, Like my mom put a
Speaker 1: curse on her best friend. And I was like, God,
Speaker 1: I wonder what he did to deserve that kind of treatment.
Speaker 1: But that was so her.
Speaker 2: A couple weeks ago, again, Alex LeMay from television's Living
Speaker 2: for the Dead was staying with me and I was
Speaker 2: going to introduce her to you for the first time,
Speaker 2: and I was just, you know, kind of given the
Speaker 2: uh spiel. The uh, what's the word. I'm looking for
Speaker 2: the warnings of what you're about to walk into. You know,
Speaker 2: Jackie's a situation. So let me just tell you a
Speaker 2: bit about Jackie. And so we go to YouTube. We
Speaker 2: start looking at jackie bead stuff, and we find this
Speaker 2: video of your amazing home. You're giving a home to her.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if I've ever talked to you
Speaker 2: about this. I talked to you a lot. I can't
Speaker 2: remember if we've ever talked about this on the podcast,
Speaker 2: but in your home tour you talk about that little
Speaker 2: hallway in your home that a painting has fallen and
Speaker 2: your dog won't go into, and you think it's haunted. Yes,
Speaker 2: what's up with that?
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, the painting has fallen, and above
Speaker 1: and beyond that, I mean, for a painting to fall
Speaker 1: is one thing, but when it's always crooked and needs
Speaker 1: to be straightened, and I don't mean like, you know,
Speaker 1: an eighth of an inch, because I am, you know,
Speaker 1: anal retentive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard that.
Speaker 1: I mean like somebody has clearly just is messing with me.
Speaker 1: So anyway, yes, the painting has fallen. It's almost always crooked.
Speaker 1: And I was like that's so weird. And my dog
Speaker 1: Darlin will not pass through this little It's hard to describe,
Speaker 1: but it's this little You can either walk through the
Speaker 1: office to get into the living room in the kitchen,
Speaker 1: or you can go through this little thing. She will
Speaker 1: not do it. But there's an update, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: out of nowhere, she's already doing it.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 1: And I was like, maybe the ghost has graduated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the ghost got over it.
Speaker 1: But I've never felt a weird energy in this house
Speaker 1: and I usually do pick up on stuff like that.
Speaker 2: So now could it be the painting? What is the painting?
Speaker 2: Is it a thrift store?
Speaker 1: Oh? It is a giant thrift store, sort of mirroa
Speaker 1: needle point. Oh yeah, but it's not you know, homey.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to it's very modern. It just
Speaker 1: happens to be a fabric and yeah, it's very kind
Speaker 1: of weird looking. And who knows when you you know
Speaker 1: what they say when you go thrift store shopping, you
Speaker 1: never know what you're bringing in your house. But I
Speaker 1: try not to buy into that because I think a
Speaker 1: lot of it is just infusing things with fear and
Speaker 1: situations with fear. Right, and if you're like, oh no,
Speaker 1: absolutely not. This is a beautiful object. I'm so glad
Speaker 1: that I can put it on my wall and it
Speaker 1: didn't end up, you know, in the city dump or
Speaker 1: you know. I to be as positive as possible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you and I are both big treasure hunters.
Speaker 2: I like to call it.
Speaker 1: We are.
Speaker 2: We have a lot of things that have belonged to
Speaker 2: other people and have been owned by probably many dead people.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I kind of agree too. I don't really
Speaker 2: have that problem. I had that problem one time, a
Speaker 2: long time ago. I believe that I brought something home
Speaker 2: that had energy attached to it, but I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm all about like the same thing with going to
Speaker 2: haunted places whatever, Like I'm the boss, I am in control,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, now you are mine and my home,
Speaker 2: and you're not going to be causing a ruckus.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I immediately think of you know, when
Speaker 1: they say cook with love. I think you're more apt
Speaker 1: to get negative energy from somebody you know, making your
Speaker 1: sandwich who's in a bad mood and hates their job.
Speaker 1: And I'm not even you know, sounds like I'm being funny,
Speaker 1: but I think that you know, I used to say.
Speaker 1: I would sit down to do my makeup and all negative,
Speaker 1: like I can't believe I have to do my makeup. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I would be like, hey, wait a minute, you
Speaker 1: need to just like when somebody cooks with love, you
Speaker 1: need to paint your face with love and good energy
Speaker 1: and positivity. You are about to make more money than
Speaker 1: some people make, you know, in a week, So be
Speaker 1: grateful they pay you for that. You know that At
Speaker 1: my shows, I tell people when I walk up to
Speaker 1: talk to you, you can simply hand me money and
Speaker 1: I'll walk away and I make a lot of money
Speaker 1: that way. Also, back in the day, people used to
Speaker 1: tip the hostess or the matre d to sit up front.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah, But at my age, they literally pay
Speaker 1: extra to sit in the back as far away and
Speaker 1: they squint and they're like, you look great.
Speaker 2: Hey, I did some research and I want to tell
Speaker 2: you about something I found out about.
Speaker 1: Well, this makes sense because you're the researcher on Hulu's
Speaker 1: Living for the.
Speaker 2: Also available on Disney Plus in most countries, I believe
Speaker 2: in Brazil it's on a streaming platform called hot Star, Oh,
Speaker 2: which I am. Okay, So there's a story that I've
Speaker 2: heard people. I've heard chirpins about this one for years,
Speaker 2: and I've always been like, what this sounds ridiculous, But
Speaker 2: ridiculous is my middle name. This is one of these
Speaker 2: stories that's not ghosts, it's not necessarily aliens, but it
Speaker 2: is sort of like, what's going on with this? You've
Speaker 2: been to Mel's Diner, right, the famous restaurant in Hollywood.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, of course.
Speaker 2: Well in Washington they don't have Mel's Diner. They have
Speaker 2: Mel's Hole. You ever heard of it? Uh No, there
Speaker 2: is a very famous story of this place called Mel's Hole.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Now, one thing I know you've heard of is Coast
Speaker 2: to Coast am of course with Art Bell Art Bell Classic.
Speaker 2: Now I was like a little too young, I think,
Speaker 2: sort of to listen to it, but I've discovered it
Speaker 2: more in my adult life and people have put full
Speaker 2: episodes of it on YouTube and actually on Apple podcasts.
Speaker 2: Somebody put a bunch it's called the Art Bell Vault
Speaker 2: and there's just like old full episodes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the old ones with Art Bell are the best,
Speaker 1: the classics totally. George Nori is good. But I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: you know, it can.
Speaker 2: Get little conspiracy theory e and not the greatest some
Speaker 2: of the stuff they talk about. But you know, this
Speaker 2: was also a time when that kind of stuff was
Speaker 2: more fun and it wasn't like QAnon and that sort
Speaker 2: of a thing.
Speaker 1: But well it was also a little more underground and
Speaker 1: not you know, there wasn't seventy two ghost hunting shows
Speaker 1: and you know, now it's gone a little, No, it's
Speaker 1: gone a little mainstream. Joys is the best. Joys is
Speaker 1: the best.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this was before reality shows and stuff.
Speaker 2: This story started in nineteen ninety seven on that show.
Speaker 2: A lot of people consider this like maybe the most
Speaker 2: famous story to come out of Coast to Coast. So
Speaker 2: there was this man named mel Waters and he calls
Speaker 2: in to Art Bell to tell Art Bell all about
Speaker 2: his mysterious hole. So he lived in rural I can
Speaker 2: never say that word. Rural Washington, near a town called Ellensburg.
Speaker 2: You ever perform in Ellensburg?
Speaker 1: No, yeah, it sounds like Ellen DeGeneres, you know, started
Speaker 1: her own little lesbian village.
Speaker 2: Well, Ellensburg. You know, it's known for being like fun
Speaker 2: and family friendly. But they say it's a monster in
Speaker 2: real life. So he refused to tell his exact location.
Speaker 2: I think this whole thing, this whole thing. He wanted
Speaker 2: to kind of keep his identity a secret a little
Speaker 2: bit because what he had on his property was a
Speaker 2: natural hole that he frequently used for dumping, and he
Speaker 2: would throw trash and old stuff in his colossal hole.
Speaker 2: And it was so deep that it never hit the ground.
Speaker 2: He could never hear it, it never filled up. He's like,
Speaker 2: what's going on?
Speaker 1: I think I know where this story is going. And
Speaker 1: at first I was a little taken aback that this
Speaker 1: is one of the most famous stories and I wasn't
Speaker 1: familiar with it. Does it involve some sounds coming from
Speaker 1: the hole? It's not the one where they put a
Speaker 1: microphone and you can actually hear people screaming and that one.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I thought that's where this was going.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is a different hole. I know these holes
Speaker 2: they get mixed up, but.
Speaker 1: This hole, now, I just want to point out that
Speaker 1: you're being very Hulu right now. You're taking a story
Speaker 1: that could be told in thirty seconds, turning it into
Speaker 1: a six part mini series. But please continue.
Speaker 2: Did you have something else you needed to do today?
Speaker 2: More important?
Speaker 1: You? You know, I don't. How dare you so?
Speaker 2: He even threw his referator in his massive hole, and
Speaker 2: he couldn't even hear a sound. What His gigantic hole
Speaker 2: had a diameter of nine feet, and he wanted to
Speaker 2: see how deep this cavernous hole went. So he took
Speaker 2: a bunch of fishing line tied it to each other
Speaker 2: all the way down to about eighty thousand feet, where
Speaker 2: he was like, you know what, eighty thousands enough. I
Speaker 2: don't know, it's at least eighty thousand feet. Never hit
Speaker 2: the bottom. He put like a little weight at the
Speaker 2: bottom of the fishing line, kept tieing more, never hit
Speaker 2: the ground. He even at one point was like is
Speaker 2: there water down there?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: What is this? So he put lifesaver candy he would
Speaker 2: tie to like the end of a fishing line, hoping,
Speaker 2: you know, it would dissolve. What flavor that I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'd like to think it was butter scotch or butter rum.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he put some butter rooms in that hole. It
Speaker 2: came back and you know, never dissolved. Here's where it
Speaker 2: starts getting more and more magical. If the thought of
Speaker 2: an eighty thousand foot hole is not enough, he claims
Speaker 2: that one of his neighbors because again, this hole has
Speaker 2: been there before he even lived there or whatever. One
Speaker 2: of his neighbors says that after his dog passed, they
Speaker 2: put it. They threw it in the hole, which is,
Speaker 2: you know, a little sad, but okay, the neighbor says,
Speaker 2: the dog came back. He saw the dog fully alive,
Speaker 2: wearing the same collar and everything. But the dog ignored him,
Speaker 2: which I would too, Yeah, I would be like, okay,
Speaker 2: you threw me, you can you can bury me.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: So it's a little pet cemetery.
Speaker 1: This is pet cemetery adjacent, yes, totally.
Speaker 2: So you know, he couldn't hear if he would yell
Speaker 2: down the hole like nothing. So he says that his
Speaker 2: dogs refused to go anywhere near the gargantuan hole, like
Speaker 2: no animals whatsoever. Even birds they would fly around this hole.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So anyway, he's on art Bell Show. Millions of people
Speaker 2: are tuning in. This is like a huge hit of
Speaker 2: an episode, which is what I need. If any of
Speaker 2: my listeners have got huge magical holes you want to
Speaker 2: call in, let's talk about it. So anyways, he calls
Speaker 2: in a few other times over the years with updates.
Speaker 2: At one point, he sees this big black beam shooting
Speaker 2: from the hole. He says that if he would hold
Speaker 2: metals near the opening, they would change into other metals,
Speaker 2: Like there's I don't let me be honest with you,
Speaker 2: this guy. It almost loses the plot at a certain point,
Speaker 2: like he starts right.
Speaker 1: You know, he jumped the shark a couple of times.
Speaker 2: It seems like it. Yeah, he called in this one
Speaker 2: time and again. You can listen to all this. It's
Speaker 2: it's out there if you got a couple hours.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: He goes in one day to check on his hole,
Speaker 2: and he finds a man that's like wearing a suit,
Speaker 2: and there's people in biohazard outfits and they basically are like,
Speaker 2: there was a plane crash here. You're not allowed to
Speaker 2: come here anymore. And this is right after the first
Speaker 2: episode aired, so you know, he believes that the government
Speaker 2: or military or somebody some organization heard this episode and
Speaker 2: figured out where the hole was and they were like,
Speaker 2: you're not allowed near this hole. And he says that
Speaker 2: the government coined him down. They gave him approximately three
Speaker 2: million dollars a year, and he left the country. He
Speaker 2: moved to Australia. My god, this story, there's a lot
Speaker 2: to it.
Speaker 1: Well, Roz this is the pet cemetery men in black mashup.
Speaker 1: We didn't know we needed by.
Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety seven, he could have seen those. The one
Speaker 2: thing I thought was interesting. I'm one of his follow
Speaker 2: up calls. He's like, guys, you could literally right now
Speaker 2: go to a server. This is like before Google maps.
Speaker 2: But he's like telling listeners, if you look at Ellensburg
Speaker 2: and you just like zoom out online right now, you
Speaker 2: can see that there's white squares right over where I
Speaker 2: said this was, and like, sure enough, listeners did it
Speaker 2: and there there.
Speaker 1: Was so you mean like they have been removed.
Speaker 2: Like no photos are allowed of this hole right right,
Speaker 2: no hole picks. So anyway, there's so much the story.
Speaker 2: There's another part of the story where like somebody else
Speaker 2: reaches out and they've got another giant, magical hole and
Speaker 2: he goes to it and there's like a creature.
Speaker 1: It's a lot. Well, it's very interesting that after the
Speaker 1: government gave him three million dollars did you say it
Speaker 1: was three million dollars a year a year, he's still
Speaker 1: talking about it, like isn't part of the deal.
Speaker 2: Well then the money ran out apparently, Yeah, it's a
Speaker 2: whole it's a whole story.
Speaker 1: It's a whole thing, literally.
Speaker 2: But basically, one day the man Melwaters just kind of disappeared.
Speaker 2: Now there's no record of somebody named Melwaters that lived
Speaker 2: in that area, so you know, could it have been
Speaker 2: a fake name. But the thing is having listened to
Speaker 2: these like he's really convincing, and art Bell is like
Speaker 2: constantly trying to be like noh, wait a minute, Like
Speaker 2: he's got like a million questions and this guy's got
Speaker 2: an answer for all of them. Yeah, Now I don't
Speaker 2: think that Art Bell was in on it, but may
Speaker 2: I don't. Maybe people have never been able to find
Speaker 2: this whole specifically, which I can't imagine that there's that
Speaker 2: many places to look, but I don't know, maybe if
Speaker 2: it's on somebody's property or if it's like chained off
Speaker 2: or whatever. But there are people that have claimed that
Speaker 2: they have been to the hole. They've seen it and
Speaker 2: it is real. But experts say that there's been holes
Speaker 2: up to like forty thousand feet, but it would have
Speaker 2: collapsed under pressure and heat, and like, there's no way
Speaker 2: that you could have one that deep.
Speaker 1: When you were telling the story and getting really specific,
Speaker 1: I was like, first of all, at eighty thousand feet,
Speaker 1: how can you tell whether you've hit? I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: like how big is the weight? How do you literally
Speaker 1: get eighty thousand feet of fishing line? There's a lot
Speaker 1: of sort of hmm.
Speaker 2: I know, And there's also stuff where because they really
Speaker 2: think that it's like a portal to another dimension. He
Speaker 2: has a story about finding these dimes that were near it.
Speaker 2: They had President Roosevelt on it, but the year that's
Speaker 2: on them is from a year before the dimes with
Speaker 2: him were made. And then like with the dog and
Speaker 2: all these things, people think that it's like a portal,
Speaker 2: you know whatever, right, But I don't know because there's
Speaker 2: also some fishy things like you couldn't have taken a picture,
Speaker 2: You couldn't have put a camera down there with a
Speaker 2: light attached to it. Yeah, there's some fishy, fishy stuff
Speaker 2: with this story. Nonetheless, it's part of the paranormal conversation
Speaker 2: Mel and his cavernous hole.
Speaker 1: Wow, thank you?
Speaker 2: And scene Hey can I show you a haunted doll?
Speaker 1: Oh my god?
Speaker 2: Please do Okay, it's time for a segment I like
Speaker 2: to call the dolls are living? Okay. What I do,
Speaker 2: Jackie is I go to eBay dot com and I
Speaker 2: look for alleged haunted dolls. These are dolls that people
Speaker 2: have up for sale. A lot of times they come
Speaker 2: with some kind of backstory or details about the doll
Speaker 2: they're said to be haunted. Jeeha, can you throw up
Speaker 2: the picture of this doll please? I would like for
Speaker 2: you Jackie to meet Chatty Kathy.
Speaker 1: Oh god, no, first of all, no, what is going on?
Speaker 1: From the neck down? It's very uh Tara Reid, you know,
Speaker 1: like cast party. She has bangs. What's going on? It
Speaker 1: looks like somebody took one of her eyebrows and flipped
Speaker 1: it over, oh like in photoshop or something.
Speaker 2: She does kind of have like an upside down eyebrow.
Speaker 2: I didn't even notice that.
Speaker 1: And what is that smirk?
Speaker 2: She could use a lip color, I think, yeah, that
Speaker 2: would probably help things a little bit.
Speaker 1: I mean, I get it. It was the sixties that,
Speaker 1: you know, baby pink frost lip was you know, all
Speaker 1: the rage. But I think she needs, you know, to
Speaker 1: run a comb through her hair.
Speaker 2: But she looks like such a like art school girl,
Speaker 2: you know, like, yeah, she's got bangs, she's got kind
Speaker 2: of like it almost looks like a loose tie. Like
Speaker 2: kind of have an Avril levine amos little like.
Speaker 1: Well, the tie needs to be loose because you know,
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night she's got to take
Speaker 1: it off and choke somebody to death with it.
Speaker 2: Oh so you've met chatty Kathy, because that sounds like
Speaker 2: if I was telling you, Oh, this is an incredibly
Speaker 2: haunted uh huh, malicious, vicious doll How much do you
Speaker 2: think someone would sell this for?
Speaker 1: One hundred and thirteen dollars.
Speaker 2: Five hundred and fifty what chatty Kathy is pricey?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 2: Okay, So it says chatty Kathy has been kept in
Speaker 2: our basement in an enclosed, binded casing due to her
Speaker 2: malicious ways and bad intent.
Speaker 1: She I hate it. Wait now, Bras, did it literally
Speaker 1: say binded? Because there's a word for that, and it's bound.
Speaker 2: It says binded.
Speaker 1: Okay. Continue.
Speaker 2: She has caused scratches to both myself and team member
Speaker 2: in the Mark of the Beast. She's also caused my
Speaker 2: partner to choke during our first and last session, in
Speaker 2: which we had to call an ambulance upon arrival. It
Speaker 2: happened to be a tangled clump of hair lodged in
Speaker 2: his throat. Which was one of her malicious doings. Kathy
Speaker 2: has a string at the nape of her neck, which
Speaker 2: makes her talk, but more so of a deep grumble,
Speaker 2: growling noise with a few words in between, which goes
Speaker 2: off with or without pulling her string. She will pull
Speaker 2: you into her satanic side eye looks and demonic aura.
Speaker 2: We highly recommend to whomever purchases her that they understand
Speaker 2: what they are getting into and are experienced with this
Speaker 2: type of evil satanic entity. That's chatty Kathy, five hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty dollars for anyone listening looking for that kind
Speaker 2: of a thing.
Speaker 1: That is also the description of Bianca del Rio's next show.
Speaker 1: It's like you've been warned, you're gonna get scratched, a
Speaker 1: clump of hair will be in your throat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I just love satanic side eye.
Speaker 1: That was good. That's good. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I feel like I've seen photoshoots of you kind of doing.
Speaker 1: A satanic side I almost makes up for Binded.
Speaker 3: Binded.
Speaker 1: She seems a little too art directed for me.
Speaker 2: And oftentimes that's how you leave feeling with these where
Speaker 2: it's you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, this is the world we live in now.
Speaker 1: There are people who live in the middle of nowhere
Speaker 1: and times are tough, and your only choices are only
Speaker 1: fans or haunted dolls. They should do only haunted dolls
Speaker 1: where they're in sort of you know, erotic poses.
Speaker 2: Well, those do exist on eBay, and I have found
Speaker 2: a lot of them. Oh, I'm like, what are what? Where?
Speaker 2: These people are like this doll will fuck you.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, what?
Speaker 2: Yes, Jackie, it's NonStop. There's so many of them that
Speaker 2: are like this doll is going to in the middle
Speaker 2: of the night, crawl into your bed and make love
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 1: This has no gag reflex. Really, doll has daddy issues,
Speaker 1: Oh all of it. This doll will do anything.
Speaker 2: You will find so much of that if you spend
Speaker 2: as much time as I do on eBay looking at
Speaker 2: haunted dolls.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2: Another thing I like to do is ghost voices. Can
Speaker 2: I play it for you?
Speaker 1: Please? Are these EVPs?
Speaker 4: Yes, it's time for EVP or ev please, So Jackie,
Speaker 4: you've done this with me before.
Speaker 2: I go to YouTube, TikTok wherever people send them to
Speaker 2: me sometimes and I find two electronic voice phenomenal EVPs.
Speaker 2: These are believed to be voices of the dead. Now.
Speaker 2: People upload these all the time. They'll say what they
Speaker 2: believe the ghost is saying. Now, I'm gonna play you too.
Speaker 2: I want you to tell me what you here?
Speaker 1: Okay? Can I ask you really quickly? Though? Are you
Speaker 1: familiar with TVP?
Speaker 2: Now? What's TVP?
Speaker 1: TVP is textured vegetable protein. You can buy it online.
Speaker 2: Here we go, Jackie's vegan. Now, just so everyone.
Speaker 1: Knows, did I mention I'm vegan?
Speaker 2: I thought TVP was going to be a joke about.
Speaker 1: No, I'm out of jokes.
Speaker 2: When I watch TV you know, have to pause it
Speaker 2: so a can pee.
Speaker 1: It's called TVPTV.
Speaker 2: Okay. This first one is from Feathers from Angels forty
Speaker 2: seventy five on YouTube. And this was taken in a cemetery.
Speaker 2: And it's spooky because the ghost is singing. What's it saying?
Speaker 1: Okay, do it one more time? Sure? Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: it's spooky. That is creepy. I mean, to be honest,
Speaker 1: it almost sounds like a car driving by with the
Speaker 1: radio playing loud. You know, not to you know, be
Speaker 1: a party pooper, but I have pooped at parties. Well,
Speaker 1: don't serve seven layer bean dip Okay, play it one word?
Speaker 1: Are we trying to figure out what it says?
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you have a guess, I'll give you some options.
Speaker 1: Don't play Satan's game.
Speaker 2: That was good. That could be feathers from Angels forty
Speaker 2: seventy five? Did not think that?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: Did they think it was a.
Speaker 3: You're not my mother? B we both go swinging?
Speaker 2: Maybe they go swing dancing or something?
Speaker 3: Is it C let's haunt this place?
Speaker 1: Absolutely not?
Speaker 3: Or D please go fuck yourself.
Speaker 1: It's definitely D. I mean, I will always default to
Speaker 1: that phrase.
Speaker 2: They believe it was B. We both go swinging. Let's
Speaker 2: listen again. Wow, no, I do hear we both? But
Speaker 2: I don't know about the rest.
Speaker 1: I almost heard the word swing, but it wasn't the
Speaker 1: way they had phrased it.
Speaker 2: It's something, it's something. I'll give you that. Okay, here's
Speaker 2: the next one. This is from Mississippi Paranormal and it
Speaker 2: was taken at a hospital. I'm not sure much about
Speaker 2: the hospital. I don't know if it was like an
Speaker 2: abandoned one or if it was an active one. I
Speaker 2: don't know. But what is this ghost saying?
Speaker 1: Okay, wait a minute.
Speaker 2: I just heard beeping someone's heart monitor is going off.
Speaker 1: The ghost was probably saying, do you take my insurance?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, say do it again.
Speaker 2: Okay, so there's a whisper. I okay, So it's like, okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard that. I just didn't hear words.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's try it again.
Speaker 1: I know Okay, that did sound. I literally just got chills.
Speaker 1: I have headphones on, so it's kind of like it
Speaker 1: was a little too intimate.
Speaker 2: That's the best way to listen to them, for sure.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I just freaked out. Played again. I
Speaker 1: don't know them. I don't know them. That's kind of
Speaker 1: what it sounded like to me.
Speaker 2: I could could yeah, totally. It's sort of like Mariah Carey.
Speaker 1: Oh, totally throwing shade from the other side.
Speaker 2: I don't know them.
Speaker 1: Now do you have choices here?
Speaker 2: Of course? Is it A I had a donut? Is
Speaker 2: it B I had a good one? Is it C
Speaker 2: they had to go around? Or D you had me
Speaker 2: at hello? Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 1: C.
Speaker 2: See they had to go around. That is what they believe.
Speaker 1: Do you want to know why, Roz why? It's always
Speaker 1: the weirdest one that makes like kind of doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: They had to go around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, I don't know what they were talking about.
Speaker 2: But let me play it again. Okay, I could hear that.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I totally hear it. And yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't like that one. Whew.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's do one last thing just to sort of
Speaker 2: get to know you a little bit better. We'll do
Speaker 2: a little questionnaire real quick, okay, and you know, if
Speaker 2: something comes up, if you have like a great an
Speaker 2: anecdote or I don't know, we'll see what happens. What
Speaker 2: do you think of Bigfoot?
Speaker 1: I think it's real. Yeah, yeah, I just think. I
Speaker 1: mean it's similar to me, you know, saying I almost
Speaker 1: always say I'm agnostic as opposed to atheist, because it's
Speaker 1: too possible. Why there are creatures? We have no idea exist.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's stuff at the bottom of the ocean.
Speaker 1: They're constantly discovering new things. I mean, I'm not sure
Speaker 1: that classic photo is real, but I I think there's
Speaker 1: something out there. There's also I don't know if you
Speaker 1: Oh my god, did I send it to you? Was it?
Speaker 1: Somebody was filming mushrooms? He was a mushroom hunter, and
Speaker 1: out of nowhere you hear this guttural scream in the forest.
Speaker 1: It's really long and it is the deepest, most scary thing.
Speaker 1: I have to send it to you. I can't believe
Speaker 1: I didn't. You can hear him going okay, let's get
Speaker 1: out of here, and you can see the video like
Speaker 1: he walks real fast.
Speaker 2: Like it's just so hard with videos, even like back
Speaker 2: to the Patterson Gimlin tape from the sixties, the famous Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: It's like back then, even the eighteen hundreds, but especially now,
Speaker 2: it's like people can just fake things so good now
Speaker 2: that I don't even know what it would take, Like
Speaker 2: there would have to be have you caught a bigfoot,
Speaker 2: there would have to be like a meet and greet
Speaker 2: that every single person in the world was allowed to
Speaker 2: pick a number and go meet it in person, right,
Speaker 2: and still people would think it was fake, Like there's
Speaker 2: no there's no way.
Speaker 1: It's like yeah, paranormal auto tune. Oh yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: this bitch can't sing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people do like the deep faking and the yeah whatever. Okay,
Speaker 2: what do you think about like synchronoicities. Do you read
Speaker 2: into things like that where you're like, oh, this happened totally.
Speaker 2: Do you have any examples.
Speaker 1: Well, there is a universal consciousness. You will come up
Speaker 1: with an idea and all of a sudden see it
Speaker 1: three places. And sometimes that's really frustrating, especially living here
Speaker 1: in Hollywood. You know, you're like, oh my god, this
Speaker 1: has never been done.
Speaker 2: I know it happens with comedy all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, think about like, you know, I've been on
Speaker 1: this planet a long time, and that's why I get
Speaker 1: excited when I taste something that's like totally different, Like
Speaker 1: oh my god, I feel like I've tasted everything, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden it's something new and different
Speaker 1: and that's exciting. And same with music and art, and
Speaker 1: you know, I've seen it all, done it all, but
Speaker 1: then there's something new and you will hear about something
Speaker 1: or someone or whatever it is, and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, it's everywhere. Yeah, and it's not like in
Speaker 1: the news. And I'm trying to think of an example,
Speaker 1: but I can't think of one right now specifically, but
Speaker 1: just like.
Speaker 2: But sometimes these things, I swear to god, there's a
Speaker 2: publicist work in for you know, quite a few years ago,
Speaker 2: it was like Kale and then it was like Asie. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then like these different things, pumpkin spice, Geez Louise,
Speaker 2: whoever was wrapping pumpkin spices, they had connections.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the problem with Asie. The first time it
Speaker 1: walked into this you know, publicist office, they should have
Speaker 1: said listen. Ninety percent of this is having a stage
Speaker 1: name that people can fucking pronounce exactly.
Speaker 2: It's not an easy one to say.
Speaker 1: No, and that's why it never caught on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's still out there trying, but listen. As someone
Speaker 2: that you say to go by ros Dredsfeles, I understand
Speaker 2: Asie's pain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean a c Ie is like, you know,
Speaker 1: a queen that went home third on the you know,
Speaker 1: second season of Drag Race. She's still trying trying to
Speaker 1: make it work, but All Stars is not interested and yeah, sorry.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's do one more. I'm curious your thoughts on
Speaker 2: Ouiji boards. Do you ever use one of those? Or
Speaker 2: do you believe in it?
Speaker 1: I don't believe in it. No, I mean, well, you
Speaker 1: know what again, my default is anything's possible. But how
Speaker 1: spiritual can something be if it is mass produced in
Speaker 1: a factory by a toy company. But by the same token,
Speaker 1: you could say that about a candle. Sure, you know
Speaker 1: you could light a candle, and if you are focusing
Speaker 1: on it and thinking certain things and inviting certain things in,
Speaker 1: anything's possible. So yeah, my jerk response was absolutely not,
Speaker 1: but anything as possible. Just be careful out their kids.
Speaker 2: But I mean also like ghost hunting equipment, you could
Speaker 2: say that about You could say there's apps on people's
Speaker 2: phones that capture goes like.
Speaker 1: Right, right, I don't know. It's about intention if you
Speaker 1: sit down with it and you are opening up the
Speaker 1: possibility and saying, hey, Lizzie Borden, let's hang out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you have to Lizzy? Okay, I have
Speaker 2: one more I just thought of because one thing that
Speaker 2: you and I have in common is that the movie
Speaker 2: Carrie is very important to the two of us. Yes,
Speaker 2: you know it's my favorite movie as a child, your
Speaker 2: favorite movie. You have a room dedicated to Carrie that's
Speaker 2: filled with memorabilia. Let's talk about Telekinesis for a moment.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: It's not one that you hear about as much these days.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: I know your default is anything is possible, But do
Speaker 2: you that that's like have you ever seen anything that
Speaker 2: would lead you to believe that that could be real.
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny that you say you don't see much
Speaker 1: about it these days. And part of the problem maybe
Speaker 1: is because others, supposedly paranormal things can slip through the cracks.
Speaker 1: But with today's technology, you know what I mean? And video, like,
Speaker 1: how come we don't hear about telekinesis if it's real,
Speaker 1: you would think you would have. There's cameras everywhere, whether
Speaker 1: they're security cameras. You know, you go to target and
Speaker 1: you're like, I want to return this. Do you have
Speaker 1: a receipt? No, I'm sorry, I can't take it back,
Speaker 1: and then you know, the thing goes flying across the counter.
Speaker 1: It should be on security camera, because that's what would
Speaker 1: make me upset enough to you know, move things.
Speaker 2: Did that happen to you? No, it sounds like a
Speaker 2: very detailed story.
Speaker 1: Comedies in the details. Raz I know you're new at this.
Speaker 2: I know, Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Mentor no, no, no, I've tried to listen. Carrie is you know,
Speaker 1: my all time favorite, and the reason is because I
Speaker 1: saw it at a certain age, and I always say
Speaker 1: the moral of the story is don't mess with the freak,
Speaker 1: you know, and also a blessing an amazing talent or
Speaker 1: gift if it's hidden and stunted, and you know, if
Speaker 1: you're ashamed of it can turn into a curse totally.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't even move an eyebrow pencil. You know,
Speaker 1: I've tried. I've stared at it and tried to roll it,
Speaker 1: let alone, throw somebody across you know, the gym and
Speaker 1: crush them against a wall.
Speaker 2: See. I have a hard time believing the possibility of that.
Speaker 2: I think that telekinesis is real, but people can't control
Speaker 2: it the way that Carrie did. Like Carrie had like
Speaker 2: a full grasp, like she could do exactly what she
Speaker 2: wanted to do. Yeah, and I don't think it's like that.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe it is, I don't know.
Speaker 1: No, I agree, if it exists, I think it is
Speaker 1: like electricity out of control or you know, the lights pop.
Speaker 2: You know our friend pleasant Game and she has a
Speaker 2: thing where she can make electronics like the battery gets drained.
Speaker 1: Oh, she can't wear a watch. Yeah, she's one of
Speaker 1: those people. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But the one thing about Carrie, like a lot of
Speaker 2: times we talk about these Poulter guys, it's kind of
Speaker 2: believed that it's centered around one person, and that it's
Speaker 2: them doing telekinesis without knowing that that's what they're doing, right,
Speaker 2: and so like I can kind of see that being
Speaker 2: part of it.
Speaker 1: There was something I was just thinking about. Oh, I
Speaker 1: was going to say, like living here in Los Angeles adjacent, Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: people drive like maniacs. And when somebody is doing literally
Speaker 1: like one hundred and ten miles an hour on the
Speaker 1: freeway and weaving in like it's a fucking video game
Speaker 1: and putting everyone at risk, I stare at that car
Speaker 1: and I imagine it just flipping over or you know.
Speaker 1: So if that's never happened, then I don't.
Speaker 2: Think Honey, you don't got it. Oh shit, you just
Speaker 2: don't got it.
Speaker 1: You didn't tell me you were going to read from
Speaker 1: my reviews.
Speaker 3: Hey Jackie, Yeah, thanks for doing this.
Speaker 2: Oh and one thing I want people to know about
Speaker 2: is this hilarious TV show you got. Can you tell
Speaker 2: us where people can watch it?
Speaker 1: Well, I think you're talking about Doctor Jackie Unlicensed Psychotherapist,
Speaker 1: where my talented and famous friends come to get advice
Speaker 1: from me. And it is available on out TV, which
Speaker 1: I think you can get through Apple TV, and if
Speaker 1: you're in the UK, it's Fruit TV. Which is spelled
Speaker 1: froot because you know, gay people are creative. It's very
Speaker 1: funny and I'm very proud. I have to say this
Speaker 1: out loud. I'm really super proud that it is scripted
Speaker 1: and acted and all these funny people, and we worked
Speaker 1: so hard on it. And it's not just you know,
Speaker 1: putting a camera on a bunch of people and watching
Speaker 1: them argue.
Speaker 2: Right, there's great writing in it that you've written yourself,
Speaker 2: and thank you, amazing stars.
Speaker 1: One thing I want to say is, and this pains me,
Speaker 1: Paul Rubins almost did it because every once in a
Speaker 1: while we have somebody do like a phone session and
Speaker 1: they're super short and funny, but it's you know, that
Speaker 1: way we can. They don't have to come in, you know,
Speaker 1: because people live you know, different places, and so he
Speaker 1: was going to do one a phone session where he
Speaker 1: called in, you know, to get some help, and it
Speaker 1: just didn't like work out for I mean, not to
Speaker 1: be ghoulish, but all the obvious reasons.
Speaker 2: Rest in peace, the amazing Paul Rubens.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was making those videos that everyone's posting,
Speaker 1: you know, happy Birthday and being so funny and so
Speaker 1: caring and so giving and so warm when we now
Speaker 1: know what he was going through. So the fact that
Speaker 1: you wouldn't even consider being on the show just makes me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just love him so much, and you know, him
Speaker 1: and Elvira and these high concepts like just funny, funny
Speaker 1: funny people made us who we are today.
Speaker 2: And you've made me who I am today again.
Speaker 1: Don't blame me, bitch.
Speaker 2: Now you've made me annoyed, is what I was trying
Speaker 2: to say.
Speaker 1: You know what, why don't you go fucking jump in
Speaker 1: Mel's hohle, bitch? That was a callback, ladies and gentleman.
Speaker 2: Well, Jackie, I sure love you, and thank you so
Speaker 2: much for doing this again.
Speaker 1: I love you. Notice I said I love you. I
Speaker 1: didn't say love ya because that's a throwaway and I
Speaker 1: don't want to embarrass you. Well, but I really honestly
Speaker 1: do love you.
Speaker 2: All Right, we're done.
Speaker 1: That was about as real as Bigfoot, honey.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much to Jackie. Beat Ah, people, I
Speaker 2: love you all so much. Thank you for listening. I
Speaker 2: love you all, both living and dead. But if I
Speaker 2: didn't ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me. Came on.
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Speaker 2: senior producer is the startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer is
Speaker 2: the alarming Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and sound
Speaker 2: designed by the eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker is
Speaker 2: the petrifying Patrick Kuttner. Additional production support from the hair
Speaker 2: raising Hannah Kyle Krichten. My theme music is by the
Speaker 2: spine chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the Spooky Vanessa Lilac.
Speaker 2: Photography by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the
Speaker 2: Chilling Karen Kilgareth, the Spooky Georgia hart Stark, and the
Speaker 2: Frightening Danielle Kramer.