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Speaker 2: Spooky Hey, juky, I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming

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Speaker 3: Wait a minute, I days pllease, hey boo.

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Speaker 2: It's me Raz and Welcome to Ghosted by Raz Hernandez,

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Speaker 2: the podcast where I talk to people that I like

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Speaker 2: about people that die and then sort of come back

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Speaker 2: to life, but this time they're invisible. I'm not gonna

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Speaker 2: explain what ghosts are, but you you know, you know

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Speaker 2: what it is, and that's what we talk about, that

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Speaker 2: sort of a thing. I'm joined by Jackie beat on

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Speaker 2: today's episode. This is her third time coming on. She

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Speaker 2: was on once with Alaska thunder Fox, another time with

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Speaker 2: Sherry Vine. She's one of my very close friends and

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Speaker 2: drag icon. She's been doing drag as long as I've

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Speaker 2: been alive. That's not an exaggeration. She's also a comedy writer.

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Speaker 2: She's written for Joan Rivers and all kinds of people

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Speaker 2: and traveled the world. She's wonderful and she's always got

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Speaker 2: some great stories. So we'll get to that. But before

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Speaker 2: I got a story here from Aaron, and Aaron's got

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Speaker 2: one about working in a haunted restaurant. Give it to me,

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Speaker 2: all right, Here we go This fine dining restaurant called Taylor's,

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Speaker 2: was located in a two story building built around the

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Speaker 2: eighteen fifties in a tiny town next to the Mississippi

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Speaker 2: River about twenty five miles south of Saint Louis. It's

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Speaker 2: one of those buildings that's been everything at one point

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Speaker 2: or another. It had been a school, a saloon, a

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Speaker 2: was very ornate, with dark woods, heavy curtains, gold leaf wallpaper, etc.

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Speaker 2: Sounds haunted, so my first experience had a bit of

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Speaker 2: a domino effect after I shared this with my coworkers,

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Speaker 2: as it seemed most of them were biting their tongues

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Speaker 2: about their own weird happenings. They just didn't want to

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Speaker 2: where the main prep area was a super creepy cellar

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Speaker 2: that we stored extra wine and liquor, as well as

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Speaker 2: the office space at the bottom of the stairs. Next

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Speaker 2: just a few minutes before we opened for dinner service.

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Speaker 2: As I was standing looking at the schedule, I one

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Speaker 2: hundred percent heard kids laughing, like having a grand old time.

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Speaker 2: It sounded like at least two, maybe three kids, and

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Speaker 2: I would guess that they sounded around age five or six.

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Speaker 2: As I said earlier, this was a fine dining restaurant.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't very often that we had kids, as it

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Speaker 2: also be noted that the kitchen was empty at the time.

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Speaker 2: All of the kitchen staff was outside far from the

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Speaker 2: building taking their last smoke break before dinner started, and

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Speaker 2: the rest of the building was super quiet. When I

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Speaker 2: heard these kids, I assumed it was some customers. Of course,

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Speaker 2: immediately I was annoyed. In a huff. I went to

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Speaker 2: asked the hostess on duty, did you see that table

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Speaker 2: in my section? She looked at me funny and asked

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Speaker 2: what table. I then explained that I heard some kids,

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Speaker 2: The hostess informed me that the doors weren't even unlocked

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Speaker 2: yet the place was completely empty. After that story was shared,

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Speaker 2: the floodgates opened of other employees sharing their own weird experiences.

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Speaker 2: I worked at Tailor's about four years, and before I

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Speaker 2: left there were countless super spooky stories. For example, ghost

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Speaker 2: customers and period clothing seated at a table, only to

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Speaker 2: a woman in a flowy period style dress sprinting down

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Speaker 2: the hallway when the restaurant was closed, the constant feeling

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Speaker 2: So she never heard the children again, but one time,

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Speaker 2: while bartending, she writes, I distinctly saw a woman outside

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Speaker 2: the building. So apparently now it is a K C Hall.

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Speaker 2: Is that Knights of Columbus. Maybe yeah, they probably have

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Speaker 2: their own stories. Oof. Okay, well, thank you for sharing that. Aaron. Hey,

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Speaker 2: let's talk to a legendary drag queen. Here's me with

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Speaker 2: Jackie beets On with the show. I don't believe it.

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Speaker 2: I am joined by a rare three time guest. Normally

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Speaker 2: Okay to Welcome to the show, Jackie Bee.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I see how this is gonna work.

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Speaker 2: I'm just kidding. It's the legendary Jackie Bee, my dear

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Speaker 2: dear friends who I love so dearly.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Legendary sounds so much better than will be

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Speaker 1: dead soon. Yeah, but I promised to come back and

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Speaker 1: haunt you.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that will be the that's the exciting part, and

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Speaker 2: that's the exciting part.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait till you're dead, Jackie.

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Speaker 2: Well, I was gonna also say you've got some great

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Speaker 2: collectibles that I've been having my eyes on for a while.

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Speaker 1: Kay. Honestly, I can't tell you how many friends of

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Speaker 1: mine are like girl. The moment we hear that you

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Speaker 1: have croaked, we are breaking that's front window.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be like a Black Friday sale. Like, yes,

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be like when ticklemy Elmo first came out

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Speaker 2: and people were like pile driving each other to get

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Speaker 1: I'm too young to get that reference raz you know what.

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Speaker 2: I'm also gonna call you a mentor of mine. Oh well,

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Speaker 2: so people can blame you.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, to which I would say, don't

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Speaker 1: blame me, bitch. Can we say bitch? Because it's hard

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Speaker 1: to talk to you without saying it.

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Speaker 2: Most of my listeners are children and conservatives and Christians

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Speaker 2: and that sort of thing, so they don't typically like that.

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Speaker 1: I just pictured like an eight year old in a

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Speaker 2: To That's my demographic.

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Speaker 1: So I'm a triple threat. I'm eight, I love Jesus,

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Speaker 1: and I have my own Amway business, and.

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Speaker 2: I don't like the word bitch. No, you know, you

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Speaker 2: can say whatever you want, Jackie. It's a podcast. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So Jackie, you've been on twice. We've heard everything, or

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Speaker 2: have we? Because I go out to lunch with you

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Speaker 2: at least twice a week, and every once in a while,

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Speaker 2: little one squeaks.

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Speaker 1: Out, yes, and you start choking on your tofu. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and you're like, you've never told me this one.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you were telling me not the long ago about

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Speaker 2: a UFO. Kind of a story from your childhood.

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Speaker 1: I actually have two, Okay, Well, the first one is

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Speaker 1: I lived in Scottsdale, Arizona, where I grew up. I

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Speaker 1: Larry Doyle and their mother, Terry Doyle, would make nachos

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Speaker 1: of shredded chedaded cheese. I love. All my stories are

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Speaker 1: based around the delicious food we would have nachos and

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Speaker 1: watch like Night Gallery and these creepy shows that were

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Speaker 1: on TV in the seventies. I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: remember Night Gallery. If nothing else, go on YouTube everybody

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Speaker 1: and watch the opening credits of Night Gallery, because the

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Speaker 1: opening credits were better than most of the episodes. But

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Speaker 1: there's a famous episode with Joan Crawford.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Steven Spielberg was. It was his first thing that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and a lot of people posted a clip from

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Speaker 1: it because she's like, I want to do this and

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Speaker 1: do that, and it was kind of like a pandemic

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Speaker 1: meme slash thing. So anyway, I was at their house

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Speaker 1: the gayest thing in the world. Oh wow, it was

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Speaker 1: And maybe I'm just remembering that it was multi colored.

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Speaker 1: We're not talking full on, you know, gay pride. But

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Speaker 1: And I was like, I think I just saw UFO.

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Speaker 1: And she was like, oh, get get in the house.

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Speaker 1: You know, she was very no nonsense, as wives and

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Speaker 1: Yes, I said, missus Doyle. Not only was it a UFO,

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean Scottsdale area. There's, of course the famous

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Speaker 2: Phoenix lights. Yes, that was, you know, something that happened

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Speaker 2: Why do you think that UFOs like that area?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I like it. I go there all

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Speaker 2: LeMay she lives there.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, I love her.

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Speaker 1: No, I think I don't know. Maybe it's just the desert.

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Speaker 1: story that I had was we had this math teacher.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember his name, which is fine because you

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Speaker 1: about something very serious. You know me, you know what

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Speaker 1: three hours have gone by, and you know, he wakes

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Speaker 1: charts and graphs on the chalkboard. And if you knew

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Speaker 1: like Marjorie Taylor Green, you know, saying, you know, let's

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Speaker 2: A couple weeks ago, again, Alex LeMay from television's Living

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Speaker 2: So now could it be the painting? What is the painting?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I immediately think of you know, when

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Speaker 2: Hey, I did some research and I want to tell

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Speaker 1: Well, this makes sense because you're the researcher on Hulu's

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Speaker 2: been to Mel's Diner, right, the famous restaurant in Hollywood.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, of course.

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Speaker 2: Well in Washington they don't have Mel's Diner. They have

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Speaker 2: Mel's Hole. You ever heard of it? Uh No, there

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Speaker 2: Now I was like a little too young, I think,

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00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 2: sort of to listen to it, but I've discovered it

434
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 2: more in my adult life and people have put full

435
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 2: episodes of it on YouTube and actually on Apple podcasts.

436
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 2: Somebody put a bunch it's called the Art Bell Vault

437
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 2: and there's just like old full episodes.

438
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, the old ones with Art Bell are the best,

439
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: the classics totally. George Nori is good. But I'm just saying,

440
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 1: you know, it can.

441
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 2: Get little conspiracy theory e and not the greatest some

442
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 2: of the stuff they talk about. But you know, this

443
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 2: was also a time when that kind of stuff was

444
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 2: more fun and it wasn't like QAnon and that sort

445
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 2: of a thing.

446
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 1: But well it was also a little more underground and

447
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 1: not you know, there wasn't seventy two ghost hunting shows

448
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: and you know, now it's gone a little, No, it's

449
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 1: gone a little mainstream. Joys is the best. Joys is

450
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 1: the best.

451
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this was before reality shows and stuff.

452
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: This story started in nineteen ninety seven on that show.

453
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 2: A lot of people consider this like maybe the most

454
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 2: famous story to come out of Coast to Coast. So

455
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 2: there was this man named mel Waters and he calls

456
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 2: in to Art Bell to tell Art Bell all about

457
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 2: his mysterious hole. So he lived in rural I can

458
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 2: never say that word. Rural Washington, near a town called Ellensburg.

459
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 2: You ever perform in Ellensburg?

460
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 1: No, yeah, it sounds like Ellen DeGeneres, you know, started

461
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 1: her own little lesbian village.

462
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 2: Well, Ellensburg. You know, it's known for being like fun

463
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,719
Speaker 2: and family friendly. But they say it's a monster in

464
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 2: real life. So he refused to tell his exact location.

465
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 2: I think this whole thing, this whole thing. He wanted

466
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 2: to kind of keep his identity a secret a little

467
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 2: bit because what he had on his property was a

468
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 2: natural hole that he frequently used for dumping, and he

469
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 2: would throw trash and old stuff in his colossal hole.

470
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 2: And it was so deep that it never hit the ground.

471
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 2: He could never hear it, it never filled up. He's like,

472
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 2: what's going on?

473
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: I think I know where this story is going. And

474
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: at first I was a little taken aback that this

475
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: is one of the most famous stories and I wasn't

476
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: familiar with it. Does it involve some sounds coming from

477
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: the hole? It's not the one where they put a

478
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 1: microphone and you can actually hear people screaming and that one.

479
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I thought that's where this was going.

480
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 2: Okay, this is a different hole. I know these holes

481
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 2: they get mixed up, but.

482
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: This hole, now, I just want to point out that

483
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 1: you're being very Hulu right now. You're taking a story

484
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: that could be told in thirty seconds, turning it into

485
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: a six part mini series. But please continue.

486
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: Did you have something else you needed to do today?

487
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 2: More important?

488
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 1: You? You know, I don't. How dare you so?

489
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 2: He even threw his referator in his massive hole, and

490
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 2: he couldn't even hear a sound. What His gigantic hole

491
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 2: had a diameter of nine feet, and he wanted to

492
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 2: see how deep this cavernous hole went. So he took

493
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 2: a bunch of fishing line tied it to each other

494
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: all the way down to about eighty thousand feet, where

495
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 2: he was like, you know what, eighty thousands enough. I

496
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 2: don't know, it's at least eighty thousand feet. Never hit

497
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 2: the bottom. He put like a little weight at the

498
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 2: bottom of the fishing line, kept tieing more, never hit

499
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 2: the ground. He even at one point was like is

500
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 2: there water down there?

501
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: Like?

502
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 2: What is this? So he put lifesaver candy he would

503
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 2: tie to like the end of a fishing line, hoping,

504
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 2: you know, it would dissolve. What flavor that I don't know.

505
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: I'd like to think it was butter scotch or butter rum.

506
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, he put some butter rooms in that hole. It

507
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 2: came back and you know, never dissolved. Here's where it

508
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 2: starts getting more and more magical. If the thought of

509
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 2: an eighty thousand foot hole is not enough, he claims

510
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 2: that one of his neighbors because again, this hole has

511
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 2: been there before he even lived there or whatever. One

512
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 2: of his neighbors says that after his dog passed, they

513
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 2: put it. They threw it in the hole, which is,

514
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 2: you know, a little sad, but okay, the neighbor says,

515
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: the dog came back. He saw the dog fully alive,

516
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 2: wearing the same collar and everything. But the dog ignored him,

517
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 2: which I would too, Yeah, I would be like, okay,

518
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: you threw me, you can you can bury me.

519
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: Wow.

520
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 2: So it's a little pet cemetery.

521
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: This is pet cemetery adjacent, yes, totally.

522
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 2: So you know, he couldn't hear if he would yell

523
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,239
Speaker 2: down the hole like nothing. So he says that his

524
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 2: dogs refused to go anywhere near the gargantuan hole, like

525
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 2: no animals whatsoever. Even birds they would fly around this hole.

526
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: Right.

527
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 2: So anyway, he's on art Bell Show. Millions of people

528
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 2: are tuning in. This is like a huge hit of

529
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,479
Speaker 2: an episode, which is what I need. If any of

530
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 2: my listeners have got huge magical holes you want to

531
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 2: call in, let's talk about it. So anyways, he calls

532
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: in a few other times over the years with updates.

533
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 2: At one point, he sees this big black beam shooting

534
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: from the hole. He says that if he would hold

535
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 2: metals near the opening, they would change into other metals,

536
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 2: Like there's I don't let me be honest with you,

537
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 2: this guy. It almost loses the plot at a certain point,

538
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 2: like he starts right.

539
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: You know, he jumped the shark a couple of times.

540
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 2: It seems like it. Yeah, he called in this one

541
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 2: time and again. You can listen to all this. It's

542
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 2: it's out there if you got a couple hours.

543
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 4: Uh.

544
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 2: He goes in one day to check on his hole,

545
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 2: and he finds a man that's like wearing a suit,

546
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 2: and there's people in biohazard outfits and they basically are like,

547
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 2: there was a plane crash here. You're not allowed to

548
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 2: come here anymore. And this is right after the first

549
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 2: episode aired, so you know, he believes that the government

550
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:13,719
Speaker 2: or military or somebody some organization heard this episode and

551
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 2: figured out where the hole was and they were like,

552
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 2: you're not allowed near this hole. And he says that

553
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 2: the government coined him down. They gave him approximately three

554
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: million dollars a year, and he left the country. He

555
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 2: moved to Australia. My god, this story, there's a lot

556
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 2: to it.

557
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: Well, Roz this is the pet cemetery men in black mashup.

558
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: We didn't know we needed by.

559
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety seven, he could have seen those. The one

560
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 2: thing I thought was interesting. I'm one of his follow

561
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 2: up calls. He's like, guys, you could literally right now

562
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: go to a server. This is like before Google maps.

563
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 2: But he's like telling listeners, if you look at Ellensburg

564
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 2: and you just like zoom out online right now, you

565
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 2: can see that there's white squares right over where I

566
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 2: said this was, and like, sure enough, listeners did it

567
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: and there there.

568
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: Was so you mean like they have been removed.

569
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: Like no photos are allowed of this hole right right,

570
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 2: no hole picks. So anyway, there's so much the story.

571
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 2: There's another part of the story where like somebody else

572
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 2: reaches out and they've got another giant, magical hole and

573
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 2: he goes to it and there's like a creature.

574
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: It's a lot. Well, it's very interesting that after the

575
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: government gave him three million dollars did you say it

576
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: was three million dollars a year a year, he's still

577
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: talking about it, like isn't part of the deal.

578
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 2: Well then the money ran out apparently, Yeah, it's a

579
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: whole it's a whole story.

580
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: It's a whole thing, literally.

581
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 2: But basically, one day the man Melwaters just kind of disappeared.

582
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 2: Now there's no record of somebody named Melwaters that lived

583
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 2: in that area, so you know, could it have been

584
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 2: a fake name. But the thing is having listened to

585
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 2: these like he's really convincing, and art Bell is like

586
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 2: constantly trying to be like noh, wait a minute, Like

587
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 2: he's got like a million questions and this guy's got

588
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 2: an answer for all of them. Yeah, Now I don't

589
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: think that Art Bell was in on it, but may

590
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 2: I don't. Maybe people have never been able to find

591
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 2: this whole specifically, which I can't imagine that there's that

592
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 2: many places to look, but I don't know, maybe if

593
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 2: it's on somebody's property or if it's like chained off

594
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 2: or whatever. But there are people that have claimed that

595
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 2: they have been to the hole. They've seen it and

596
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 2: it is real. But experts say that there's been holes

597
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 2: up to like forty thousand feet, but it would have

598
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 2: collapsed under pressure and heat, and like, there's no way

599
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 2: that you could have one that deep.

600
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: When you were telling the story and getting really specific,

601
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: I was like, first of all, at eighty thousand feet,

602
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: how can you tell whether you've hit? I mean, you know,

603
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: like how big is the weight? How do you literally

604
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: get eighty thousand feet of fishing line? There's a lot

605
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: of sort of hmm.

606
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 2: I know, And there's also stuff where because they really

607
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 2: think that it's like a portal to another dimension. He

608
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 2: has a story about finding these dimes that were near it.

609
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 2: They had President Roosevelt on it, but the year that's

610
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 2: on them is from a year before the dimes with

611
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: him were made. And then like with the dog and

612
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: all these things, people think that it's like a portal,

613
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 2: you know whatever, right, But I don't know because there's

614
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 2: also some fishy things like you couldn't have taken a picture,

615
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 2: You couldn't have put a camera down there with a

616
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 2: light attached to it. Yeah, there's some fishy, fishy stuff

617
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 2: with this story. Nonetheless, it's part of the paranormal conversation

618
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 2: Mel and his cavernous hole.

619
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: Wow, thank you?

620
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 2: And scene Hey can I show you a haunted doll?

621
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: Oh my god?

622
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: Please do Okay, it's time for a segment I like

623
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: to call the dolls are living? Okay. What I do,

624
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 2: Jackie is I go to eBay dot com and I

625
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 2: look for alleged haunted dolls. These are dolls that people

626
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 2: have up for sale. A lot of times they come

627
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 2: with some kind of backstory or details about the doll

628
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 2: they're said to be haunted. Jeeha, can you throw up

629
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 2: the picture of this doll please? I would like for

630
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 2: you Jackie to meet Chatty Kathy.

631
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: Oh god, no, first of all, no, what is going on?

632
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: From the neck down? It's very uh Tara Reid, you know,

633
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: like cast party. She has bangs. What's going on? It

634
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: looks like somebody took one of her eyebrows and flipped

635
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: it over, oh like in photoshop or something.

636
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: She does kind of have like an upside down eyebrow.

637
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 2: I didn't even notice that.

638
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: And what is that smirk?

639
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 2: She could use a lip color, I think, yeah, that

640
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 2: would probably help things a little bit.

641
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I get it. It was the sixties that,

642
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: you know, baby pink frost lip was you know, all

643
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: the rage. But I think she needs, you know, to

644
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: run a comb through her hair.

645
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 2: But she looks like such a like art school girl,

646
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 2: you know, like, yeah, she's got bangs, she's got kind

647
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: of like it almost looks like a loose tie. Like

648
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 2: kind of have an Avril levine amos little like.

649
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: Well, the tie needs to be loose because you know,

650
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night she's got to take

651
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: it off and choke somebody to death with it.

652
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 2: Oh so you've met chatty Kathy, because that sounds like

653
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 2: if I was telling you, Oh, this is an incredibly

654
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 2: haunted uh huh, malicious, vicious doll How much do you

655
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 2: think someone would sell this for?

656
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: One hundred and thirteen dollars.

657
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 2: Five hundred and fifty what chatty Kathy is pricey?

658
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:07,720
Speaker 1: Wow?

659
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: Okay, So it says chatty Kathy has been kept in

660
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 2: our basement in an enclosed, binded casing due to her

661
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 2: malicious ways and bad intent.

662
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: She I hate it. Wait now, Bras, did it literally

663
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,760
Speaker 1: say binded? Because there's a word for that, and it's bound.

664
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 2: It says binded.

665
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: Okay. Continue.

666
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: She has caused scratches to both myself and team member

667
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 2: in the Mark of the Beast. She's also caused my

668
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 2: partner to choke during our first and last session, in

669
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 2: which we had to call an ambulance upon arrival. It

670
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 2: happened to be a tangled clump of hair lodged in

671
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 2: his throat. Which was one of her malicious doings. Kathy

672
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 2: has a string at the nape of her neck, which

673
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 2: makes her talk, but more so of a deep grumble,

674
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 2: growling noise with a few words in between, which goes

675
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: off with or without pulling her string. She will pull

676
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:16,240
Speaker 2: you into her satanic side eye looks and demonic aura.

677
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: We highly recommend to whomever purchases her that they understand

678
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 2: what they are getting into and are experienced with this

679
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 2: type of evil satanic entity. That's chatty Kathy, five hundred

680
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: and fifty dollars for anyone listening looking for that kind

681
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 2: of a thing.

682
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: That is also the description of Bianca del Rio's next show.

683
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: It's like you've been warned, you're gonna get scratched, a

684
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 1: clump of hair will be in your throat.

685
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I just love satanic side eye.

686
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: That was good. That's good. Yeah.

687
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 2: I feel like I've seen photoshoots of you kind of doing.

688
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: A satanic side I almost makes up for Binded.

689
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 3: Binded.

690
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: She seems a little too art directed for me.

691
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 2: And oftentimes that's how you leave feeling with these where

692
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 2: it's you know.

693
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, this is the world we live in now.

694
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: There are people who live in the middle of nowhere

695
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: and times are tough, and your only choices are only

696
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: fans or haunted dolls. They should do only haunted dolls

697
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: where they're in sort of you know, erotic poses.

698
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 2: Well, those do exist on eBay, and I have found

699
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 2: a lot of them. Oh, I'm like, what are what? Where?

700
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 2: These people are like this doll will fuck you.

701
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, what?

702
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 2: Yes, Jackie, it's NonStop. There's so many of them that

703
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: are like this doll is going to in the middle

704
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 2: of the night, crawl into your bed and make love

705
00:39:58,920 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 2: to you.

706
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: This has no gag reflex. Really, doll has daddy issues,

707
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: Oh all of it. This doll will do anything.

708
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 2: You will find so much of that if you spend

709
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 2: as much time as I do on eBay looking at

710
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: haunted dolls.

711
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.

712
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 2: Another thing I like to do is ghost voices. Can

713
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 2: I play it for you?

714
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: Please? Are these EVPs?

715
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 4: Yes, it's time for EVP or ev please, So Jackie,

716
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 4: you've done this with me before.

717
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 2: I go to YouTube, TikTok wherever people send them to

718
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 2: me sometimes and I find two electronic voice phenomenal EVPs.

719
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 2: These are believed to be voices of the dead. Now.

720
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 2: People upload these all the time. They'll say what they

721
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 2: believe the ghost is saying. Now, I'm gonna play you too.

722
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 2: I want you to tell me what you here?

723
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: Okay? Can I ask you really quickly? Though? Are you

724
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: familiar with TVP?

725
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 2: Now? What's TVP?

726
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: TVP is textured vegetable protein. You can buy it online.

727
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 2: Here we go, Jackie's vegan. Now, just so everyone.

728
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 1: Knows, did I mention I'm vegan?

729
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 2: I thought TVP was going to be a joke about.

730
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: No, I'm out of jokes.

731
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 2: When I watch TV you know, have to pause it

732
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 2: so a can pee.

733
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: It's called TVPTV.

734
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 2: Okay. This first one is from Feathers from Angels forty

735
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 2: seventy five on YouTube. And this was taken in a cemetery.

736
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 2: And it's spooky because the ghost is singing. What's it saying?

737
00:41:54,880 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: Okay, do it one more time? Sure? Oh my gosh,

738
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: it's spooky. That is creepy. I mean, to be honest,

739
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: it almost sounds like a car driving by with the

740
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: radio playing loud. You know, not to you know, be

741
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: a party pooper, but I have pooped at parties. Well,

742
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: don't serve seven layer bean dip Okay, play it one word?

743
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: Are we trying to figure out what it says?

744
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you have a guess, I'll give you some options.

745
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: Don't play Satan's game.

746
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 2: That was good. That could be feathers from Angels forty

747
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 2: seventy five? Did not think that?

748
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 1: Okay?

749
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 2: Did they think it was a.

750
00:42:53,840 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 3: You're not my mother? B we both go swinging?

751
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 2: Maybe they go swing dancing or something?

752
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 3: Is it C let's haunt this place?

753
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 1: Absolutely not?

754
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 3: Or D please go fuck yourself.

755
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: It's definitely D. I mean, I will always default to

756
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: that phrase.

757
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 2: They believe it was B. We both go swinging. Let's

758
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 2: listen again. Wow, no, I do hear we both? But

759
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 2: I don't know about the rest.

760
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: I almost heard the word swing, but it wasn't the

761
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: way they had phrased it.

762
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: It's something, it's something. I'll give you that. Okay, here's

763
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 2: the next one. This is from Mississippi Paranormal and it

764
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 2: was taken at a hospital. I'm not sure much about

765
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 2: the hospital. I don't know if it was like an

766
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 2: abandoned one or if it was an active one. I

767
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 2: don't know. But what is this ghost saying?

768
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: Okay, wait a minute.

769
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 2: I just heard beeping someone's heart monitor is going off.

770
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: The ghost was probably saying, do you take my insurance?

771
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, say do it again.

772
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 2: Okay, so there's a whisper. I okay, So it's like, okay.

773
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard that. I just didn't hear words.

774
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 2: Okay, let's try it again.

775
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: I know Okay, that did sound. I literally just got chills.

776
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: I have headphones on, so it's kind of like it

777
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: was a little too intimate.

778
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 2: That's the best way to listen to them, for sure.

779
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I just freaked out. Played again. I

780
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: don't know them. I don't know them. That's kind of

781
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: what it sounded like to me.

782
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 2: I could could yeah, totally. It's sort of like Mariah Carey.

783
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 1: Oh, totally throwing shade from the other side.

784
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 2: I don't know them.

785
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: Now do you have choices here?

786
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 2: Of course? Is it A I had a donut? Is

787
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 2: it B I had a good one? Is it C

788
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 2: they had to go around? Or D you had me

789
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 2: at hello? Okay, I don't know.

790
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: C.

791
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 2: See they had to go around. That is what they believe.

792
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 1: Do you want to know why, Roz why? It's always

793
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: the weirdest one that makes like kind of doesn't make sense.

794
00:45:58,440 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: They had to go around.

795
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, I don't know what they were talking about.

796
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: But let me play it again. Okay, I could hear that.

797
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I totally hear it. And yeah, I

798
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: don't like that one. Whew.

799
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 2: Okay, let's do one last thing just to sort of

800
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 2: get to know you a little bit better. We'll do

801
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 2: a little questionnaire real quick, okay, and you know, if

802
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 2: something comes up, if you have like a great an

803
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 2: anecdote or I don't know, we'll see what happens. What

804
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 2: do you think of Bigfoot?

805
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: I think it's real. Yeah, yeah, I just think. I

806
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:41,280
Speaker 1: mean it's similar to me, you know, saying I almost

807
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: always say I'm agnostic as opposed to atheist, because it's

808
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: too possible. Why there are creatures? We have no idea exist.

809
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: I mean, there's stuff at the bottom of the ocean.

810
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: They're constantly discovering new things. I mean, I'm not sure

811
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: that classic photo is real, but I I think there's

812
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: something out there. There's also I don't know if you

813
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: Oh my god, did I send it to you? Was it?

814
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: Somebody was filming mushrooms? He was a mushroom hunter, and

815
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: out of nowhere you hear this guttural scream in the forest.

816
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: It's really long and it is the deepest, most scary thing.

817
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: I have to send it to you. I can't believe

818
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: I didn't. You can hear him going okay, let's get

819
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: out of here, and you can see the video like

820
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 1: he walks real fast.

821
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 2: Like it's just so hard with videos, even like back

822
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 2: to the Patterson Gimlin tape from the sixties, the famous Bigfoot.

823
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 2: It's like back then, even the eighteen hundreds, but especially now,

824
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 2: it's like people can just fake things so good now

825
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 2: that I don't even know what it would take, Like

826
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 2: there would have to be have you caught a bigfoot,

827
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 2: there would have to be like a meet and greet

828
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 2: that every single person in the world was allowed to

829
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,760
Speaker 2: pick a number and go meet it in person, right,

830
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 2: and still people would think it was fake, Like there's

831
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 2: no there's no way.

832
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 1: It's like yeah, paranormal auto tune. Oh yeah, it's like

833
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: this bitch can't sing.

834
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, people do like the deep faking and the yeah whatever. Okay,

835
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 2: what do you think about like synchronoicities. Do you read

836
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 2: into things like that where you're like, oh, this happened totally.

837
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 2: Do you have any examples.

838
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: Well, there is a universal consciousness. You will come up

839
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: with an idea and all of a sudden see it

840
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: three places. And sometimes that's really frustrating, especially living here

841
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: in Hollywood. You know, you're like, oh my god, this

842
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: has never been done.

843
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 2: I know it happens with comedy all the time.

844
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, think about like, you know, I've been on

845
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: this planet a long time, and that's why I get

846
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: excited when I taste something that's like totally different, Like

847
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: oh my god, I feel like I've tasted everything, and

848
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden it's something new and different

849
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: and that's exciting. And same with music and art, and

850
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: you know, I've seen it all, done it all, but

851
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 1: then there's something new and you will hear about something

852
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: or someone or whatever it is, and then all of

853
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: a sudden, it's everywhere. Yeah, and it's not like in

854
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: the news. And I'm trying to think of an example,

855
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: but I can't think of one right now specifically, but

856
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 1: just like.

857
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 2: But sometimes these things, I swear to god, there's a

858
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 2: publicist work in for you know, quite a few years ago,

859
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 2: it was like Kale and then it was like Asie. Yeah,

860
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 2: and then like these different things, pumpkin spice, Geez Louise,

861
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,919
Speaker 2: whoever was wrapping pumpkin spices, they had connections.

862
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: Well, here's the problem with Asie. The first time it

863
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: walked into this you know, publicist office, they should have

864
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: said listen. Ninety percent of this is having a stage

865
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: name that people can fucking pronounce exactly.

866
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 2: It's not an easy one to say.

867
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: No, and that's why it never caught on.

868
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's still out there trying, but listen. As someone

869
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Speaker 2: that you say to go by ros Dredsfeles, I understand

870
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 2: Asie's pain.

871
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean a c Ie is like, you know,

872
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: a queen that went home third on the you know,

873
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: second season of Drag Race. She's still trying trying to

874
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: make it work, but All Stars is not interested and yeah, sorry.

875
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 2: Okay, let's do one more. I'm curious your thoughts on

876
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 2: Ouiji boards. Do you ever use one of those? Or

877
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 2: do you believe in it?

878
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 1: I don't believe in it. No, I mean, well, you

879
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: know what again, my default is anything's possible. But how

880
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: spiritual can something be if it is mass produced in

881
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: a factory by a toy company. But by the same token,

882
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: you could say that about a candle. Sure, you know

883
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: you could light a candle, and if you are focusing

884
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: on it and thinking certain things and inviting certain things in,

885
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: anything's possible. So yeah, my jerk response was absolutely not,

886
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: but anything as possible. Just be careful out their kids.

887
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 2: But I mean also like ghost hunting equipment, you could

888
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 2: say that about You could say there's apps on people's

889
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 2: phones that capture goes like.

890
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: Right, right, I don't know. It's about intention if you

891
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: sit down with it and you are opening up the

892
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: possibility and saying, hey, Lizzie Borden, let's hang out.

893
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you have to Lizzy? Okay, I have

894
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 2: one more I just thought of because one thing that

895
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 2: you and I have in common is that the movie

896
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 2: Carrie is very important to the two of us. Yes,

897
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 2: you know it's my favorite movie as a child, your

898
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,240
Speaker 2: favorite movie. You have a room dedicated to Carrie that's

899
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 2: filled with memorabilia. Let's talk about Telekinesis for a moment.

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00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

901
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 2: It's not one that you hear about as much these days.

902
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 4: No.

903
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 2: I know your default is anything is possible, But do

904
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 2: you that that's like have you ever seen anything that

905
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:04,959
Speaker 2: would lead you to believe that that could be real.

906
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny that you say you don't see much

907
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 1: about it these days. And part of the problem maybe

908
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: is because others, supposedly paranormal things can slip through the cracks.

909
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: But with today's technology, you know what I mean? And video, like,

910
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: how come we don't hear about telekinesis if it's real,

911
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:31,280
Speaker 1: you would think you would have. There's cameras everywhere, whether

912
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: they're security cameras. You know, you go to target and

913
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: you're like, I want to return this. Do you have

914
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: a receipt? No, I'm sorry, I can't take it back,

915
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: and then you know, the thing goes flying across the counter.

916
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: It should be on security camera, because that's what would

917
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: make me upset enough to you know, move things.

918
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 2: Did that happen to you? No, it sounds like a

919
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 2: very detailed story.

920
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: Comedies in the details. Raz I know you're new at this.

921
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 2: I know, Thank you so much.

922
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: Mentor no, no, no, I've tried to listen. Carrie is you know,

923
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: my all time favorite, and the reason is because I

924
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: saw it at a certain age, and I always say

925
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: the moral of the story is don't mess with the freak,

926
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: you know, and also a blessing an amazing talent or

927
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: gift if it's hidden and stunted, and you know, if

928
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: you're ashamed of it can turn into a curse totally.

929
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't even move an eyebrow pencil. You know,

930
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 1: I've tried. I've stared at it and tried to roll it,

931
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: let alone, throw somebody across you know, the gym and

932
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 1: crush them against a wall.

933
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 2: See. I have a hard time believing the possibility of that.

934
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 2: I think that telekinesis is real, but people can't control

935
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 2: it the way that Carrie did. Like Carrie had like

936
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 2: a full grasp, like she could do exactly what she

937
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 2: wanted to do. Yeah, and I don't think it's like that.

938
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe it is, I don't know.

939
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,879
Speaker 1: No, I agree, if it exists, I think it is

940
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: like electricity out of control or you know, the lights pop.

941
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 2: You know our friend pleasant Game and she has a

942
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 2: thing where she can make electronics like the battery gets drained.

943
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 1: Oh, she can't wear a watch. Yeah, she's one of

944
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: those people. Yeah.

945
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 2: But the one thing about Carrie, like a lot of

946
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 2: times we talk about these Poulter guys, it's kind of

947
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 2: believed that it's centered around one person, and that it's

948
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 2: them doing telekinesis without knowing that that's what they're doing, right,

949
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 2: and so like I can kind of see that being

950
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 2: part of it.

951
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: There was something I was just thinking about. Oh, I

952
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: was going to say, like living here in Los Angeles adjacent, Well, yeah,

953
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: people drive like maniacs. And when somebody is doing literally

954
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: like one hundred and ten miles an hour on the

955
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: freeway and weaving in like it's a fucking video game

956
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 1: and putting everyone at risk, I stare at that car

957
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 1: and I imagine it just flipping over or you know.

958
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: So if that's never happened, then I don't.

959
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 2: Think Honey, you don't got it. Oh shit, you just

960
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 2: don't got it.

961
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:12,479
Speaker 1: You didn't tell me you were going to read from

962
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: my reviews.

963
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 3: Hey Jackie, Yeah, thanks for doing this.

964
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,760
Speaker 2: Oh and one thing I want people to know about

965
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 2: is this hilarious TV show you got. Can you tell

966
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 2: us where people can watch it?

967
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: Well, I think you're talking about Doctor Jackie Unlicensed Psychotherapist,

968
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:38,280
Speaker 1: where my talented and famous friends come to get advice

969
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 1: from me. And it is available on out TV, which

970
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: I think you can get through Apple TV, and if

971
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 1: you're in the UK, it's Fruit TV. Which is spelled

972
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:53,919
Speaker 1: froot because you know, gay people are creative. It's very

973
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 1: funny and I'm very proud. I have to say this

974
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: out loud. I'm really super proud that it is scripted

975
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: and acted and all these funny people, and we worked

976
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: so hard on it. And it's not just you know,

977
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 1: putting a camera on a bunch of people and watching

978
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: them argue.

979
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:15,760
Speaker 2: Right, there's great writing in it that you've written yourself,

980
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 2: and thank you, amazing stars.

981
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 1: One thing I want to say is, and this pains me,

982
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 1: Paul Rubins almost did it because every once in a

983
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: while we have somebody do like a phone session and

984
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 1: they're super short and funny, but it's you know, that

985
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: way we can. They don't have to come in, you know,

986
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: because people live you know, different places, and so he

987
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: was going to do one a phone session where he

988
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: called in, you know, to get some help, and it

989
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: just didn't like work out for I mean, not to

990
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 1: be ghoulish, but all the obvious reasons.

991
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,320
Speaker 2: Rest in peace, the amazing Paul Rubens.

992
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: I mean, he was making those videos that everyone's posting,

993
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 1: you know, happy Birthday and being so funny and so

994
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: caring and so giving and so warm when we now

995
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: know what he was going through. So the fact that

996
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: you wouldn't even consider being on the show just makes me. Yeah,

997
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:11,959
Speaker 1: I just love him so much, and you know, him

998
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: and Elvira and these high concepts like just funny, funny

999
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: funny people made us who we are today.

1000
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 2: And you've made me who I am today again.

1001
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: Don't blame me, bitch.

1002
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 2: Now you've made me annoyed, is what I was trying

1003
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 2: to say.

1004
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: You know what, why don't you go fucking jump in

1005
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: Mel's hohle, bitch? That was a callback, ladies and gentleman.

1006
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 2: Well, Jackie, I sure love you, and thank you so

1007
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 2: much for doing this again.

1008
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: I love you. Notice I said I love you. I

1009
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: didn't say love ya because that's a throwaway and I

1010
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 1: don't want to embarrass you. Well, but I really honestly

1011
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: do love you.

1012
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 2: All Right, we're done.

1013
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: That was about as real as Bigfoot, honey.

1014
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 2: Thank you so much to Jackie. Beat Ah, people, I

1015
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 2: love you all so much. Thank you for listening. I

1016
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 2: love you all, both living and dead. But if I

1017
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 2: didn't ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me. Came on.

1018
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 2: This has been an exactly right production. Want to share

1019
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 2: your paranormal experience. On the podcast, I read stories out

1020
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 2: loud and sometimes I'll even call you. So email me

1021
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1022
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Speaker 2: and follow me Roz on Instagram at roz Hernandez, and

1025
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Speaker 2: senior producer is the startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer is

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Speaker 2: the alarming Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and sound

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Speaker 2: designed by the eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker is

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Speaker 2: the petrifying Patrick Kuttner. Additional production support from the hair

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Speaker 2: raising Hannah Kyle Krichten. My theme music is by the

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Speaker 2: spine chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the Spooky Vanessa Lilac.

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Speaker 2: Photography by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the

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Speaker 2: Chilling Karen Kilgareth, the Spooky Georgia hart Stark, and the

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Speaker 2: Frightening Danielle Kramer.