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Speaker 1: Here comes Kevin Acey from the San Diego Union Tribune,

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Speaker 1: back on ft big part of the offseason and breaking

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Speaker 1: news out there in San Diego, the Darvish story. Mike Schildt,

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Speaker 1: we'll get to all of that, Kevin. Great to see you.

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Speaker 1: I actually want to start with the topic that came

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Speaker 1: up in our conversation with Ken Rosenthal yesterday. Does everyone

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Speaker 1: hate Luisa Rise around baseball? Not the person he's very

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Speaker 1: fun loving, but his game. We haven't heard a peep

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Speaker 1: about him. He's one of my favorite players. I know

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Speaker 1: his flaws, but he also has a significant strength. Your

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Speaker 1: thoughts on him and what you see happening.

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Speaker 2: Here, well, since you opened the door, I'll say, one

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Speaker 2: of the most joyous people that.

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Speaker 3: I've ever covered.

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Speaker 2: And I don't think he'll be back for the Padres

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Speaker 2: though clearly Luis is going to have to decide what

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Speaker 2: kind of contract he wants, and so I guess maybe

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Speaker 2: the Patres could be an option at a certain price.

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Speaker 2: But I will miss him. He brings incredible value to

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Speaker 2: a team when he is Luise A Rise. Last year,

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Speaker 2: he was not Luisa Rise. That's just a fact, and

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Speaker 2: they kept him in the number two hole.

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Speaker 3: And it hurt them.

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Speaker 2: Now the year before, they probably don't make the playoffs

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Speaker 2: without Luise a Rise.

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Speaker 3: So the guy definitely has value.

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Speaker 2: But clearly what MLB thinks about him is probably is reflected,

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Speaker 2: not only in the fact that you know he did

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Speaker 2: win those three batting titles with three different teams, and

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Speaker 2: then this offseason certainly somewhat predictable, but slower probably than

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Speaker 2: anyone did imagine that it would be for a guy

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Speaker 2: who has accomplished what he has.

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Speaker 4: What he does is incredible and it's not appreciated in

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Speaker 4: the game. But you watched him. He played one hundred

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Speaker 4: and fifty four games last year, what did you see

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Speaker 4: his deficiency? As obviously we know about the power, but

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Speaker 4: how like he came up in spots and he didn't

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Speaker 4: win a batting title, and I guess you don't have power.

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Speaker 4: People think you have to win a batting title. But

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Speaker 4: he hit two ninety two, So I'm pretty sure that's

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Speaker 4: okay that last I checked. But when you watched him

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Speaker 4: come up to the plate in the situation around all

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Speaker 4: the other guys that they had in that lineup, what

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Speaker 4: did you see other teams do like, ah, we got

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Speaker 4: this guy, this is an out and he might get

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Speaker 4: it hit, but this is fine.

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Speaker 2: I think that they they had and I hate to

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Speaker 2: break it down like this. I mean, I wrote like

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Speaker 2: ten different stories on what's wrong with Louisa Rise or

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Speaker 2: what's right with Louisa Rise, and I think I came

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Speaker 2: to the conclusion the guy didn't have the same kind

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Speaker 2: of good fortune. I didn't use the word luck on

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Speaker 2: purpose because I don't want to make it sound like

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Speaker 2: he was just this lucky player.

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Speaker 3: Clearly he wasn't.

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Speaker 2: He has an amazing skill, but they maybe they played

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Speaker 2: him better though I didn't notice that in particular in

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Speaker 2: terms of but they were where the ball was for

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Speaker 2: Luisa Rise. Now the guys and I forget what it was.

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Speaker 2: But his on base percentage was extremely disappointing, and so

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Speaker 2: the batting average was whatever, that would be twenty points

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Speaker 2: lower than his career or than the previous couple of years.

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Speaker 2: The on base percentage was probably twenty thirty points lower

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Speaker 2: than it was.

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Speaker 3: So he's not when he's not hitting, he.

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Speaker 2: Is not providing the value that you need, especially near

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Speaker 2: the top of the order. But honestly, you don't track

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Speaker 2: Luise Rise by that speed. You don't track him by

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Speaker 2: play discipline, you don't track him by exit velocity.

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Speaker 3: So he's just this sort of unicorn.

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Speaker 2: And when he had a bad year and Mike Schuldt

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Speaker 2: continued to have that faith in him, one of the

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Speaker 2: strengths of Mike Shilt as a manager, and that that

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Speaker 2: faith ultimately.

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Speaker 3: Was not justified.

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Speaker 5: Kevin News on you, Darvish. Is he retiring? Is he

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Speaker 5: not retiring? Or the Padres buying him out? I mean,

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Speaker 5: I played with you, Darvis in twenty thirteen, and I

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Speaker 5: know he's been great in San Diego, not only on

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Speaker 5: the Mount when he's been on the mound, but also

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Speaker 5: in the clubhouse.

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Speaker 6: Is he retiring?

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Speaker 5: And then I read something where oh, he might take

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Speaker 5: the year off and accept a bio maybe then come

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Speaker 5: back in twenty seven and renegotiate what the heck is

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Speaker 5: happening with you, Darvish.

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Speaker 2: Well, I want to be upfront and say that I

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Speaker 2: should not have used the word retired in my original story.

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Speaker 2: I knew better you Darvish is not ready to say

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Speaker 2: that that he's retired. You know, there's a difference between

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Speaker 2: other people saying, you know, yeah, you's retiring and a

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Speaker 2: guy officially retiring. And so I aired in being definitive

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Speaker 2: about that, which I quickly corrected the rest of the story,

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Speaker 2: and I was to some extent purposely vague. But I said,

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Speaker 2: you Darvish is walking away from his contract, and that

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Speaker 2: will prove to be true. That is true, what form

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Speaker 2: that comes in, And that's where I was purposely vague.

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Speaker 2: No one either can or will tell me. And it

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Speaker 2: does seem that there still have to be some decisions

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Speaker 2: made on what that looks like. The unions involved, Joel

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Speaker 2: Wolf and Wasserman his agency are involved, but Potters are involved.

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Speaker 2: You Darbish obviously as the guy who gets to make

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Speaker 2: the decision. But what is clear is that you Darvish,

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Speaker 2: who by the way, gave back or you know, didn't

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Speaker 2: get paid I think four million dollars in twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: four when he voluntarily went on the restricted list because

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Speaker 2: he did not think it was right that he was

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Speaker 2: taking money when he was attending to a personal matter.

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Speaker 2: He does not believe that this money, this forty three

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Speaker 2: forty six million bad with numbers today it's still the

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Speaker 2: off season, thankfully, But this forty something million that he

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Speaker 2: is due over the next three years, which is one

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Speaker 2: hundred percent his right to collect and plenty of guys

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Speaker 2: have done it, and plenty of guys will do it,

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Speaker 2: but you does not think that he, if he doesn't play,

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Speaker 2: should collect that that money. And so you, darbish, will

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Speaker 2: be giving back or forfeiting or avoiding his contract. Now

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Speaker 2: what that means, buy out restructure of some sort, I

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Speaker 2: don't know. But the fact is that you, Darvish, is

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Speaker 2: going to walk away from this contract.

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Speaker 4: When you said you're purposely being vague, can you explain

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Speaker 4: that a little bit more? Is that the whole premise

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Speaker 4: of purposely being vague?

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Speaker 3: Thank you for that. Yes, it was because we don't know.

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Speaker 2: I certainly don't know, but the people I'm talking to

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Speaker 2: claim to not know exactly what this is going to

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Speaker 2: look like.

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Speaker 3: And look, I didn't want to work on Saturday. I

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Speaker 3: was playing pickleball. This is something I'd been.

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Speaker 2: Following for a couple months, as you sort of went

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Speaker 2: back and forth and gathered his information, talked with his people,

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Speaker 2: talked with the padres, and suddenly it came that on

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Speaker 2: Saturday morning, it was Okay, this thing that you know

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Speaker 2: we've been talking about, it's going to happen. And but

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Speaker 2: all that we really know is you, Darvish, is walking away,

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Speaker 2: the potters will realize the savings, which is something by

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Speaker 2: the way that they've been budgeting for.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like that's you.

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Speaker 2: Darvish has let them know this is what he's doing.

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Speaker 2: So whatever moves the pottery's ULTI make before spring training,

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Speaker 2: probably during spring training, be that bolster their rotation sign

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Speaker 2: that first basement designated hitter that will partially come from you,

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Speaker 2: Darbus's money.

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Speaker 4: All right, well you kind of answered it, but can

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Speaker 4: you give us a little bit of the background of like,

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Speaker 4: when you have a conversation, you had it directly with you.

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Speaker 2: Correct, I have talked with you a few times about this.

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Speaker 2: I did not talk to you on on Saturday.

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Speaker 4: How how is he communicating his next steps in the

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Speaker 4: sense of like, is it oh man, like, yeah, it's

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Speaker 4: just done? Or is it I'm done, Like I don't have.

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Speaker 4: I don't have what it takes to rehab this like

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Speaker 4: and I'm totally content with it because we rarely get

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Speaker 4: to see inside a player's thought process as the final

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Speaker 4: days of his career are coming.

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Speaker 2: I don't think i'd be speaking out a turn to

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Speaker 2: say that that you is not like at peace with

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Speaker 2: being done because of clearly his social media posts and

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Speaker 2: the wake of my story and what he has said,

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Speaker 2: which is that he is I believe. In a Japanese

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Speaker 2: session with fans, he said that he was going to

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Speaker 2: forfeit at least twenty twenty six, but he in his

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Speaker 2: ex post he said that he's leaning.

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Speaker 3: Toward avoiding the contract.

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Speaker 2: Whatever the semantics of that is, it's clear that you

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Speaker 2: and I've been told.

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Speaker 3: Look, i'll phrase this, this was on the record. You

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Speaker 3: and I talked that.

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Speaker 2: You said he can't think about playing baseball right now.

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Speaker 2: He needs to get his body right, not just the elbow,

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Speaker 2: but his body's thirty nine. He has been doing this

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Speaker 2: a long time. He's compensated for some things with the

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Speaker 2: has seven children. His son's about to start playing at UCSD.

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Speaker 2: He needs time with the family. He can't think about

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Speaker 2: playing baseball right now. But he's not willing to say

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Speaker 2: that it's over because he knows himself and this is

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Speaker 2: what he's been doing for his whole life, uh, virtually,

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Speaker 2: and that he knows that at some point that eight

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Speaker 2: some people and look, there's a small circle of people

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Speaker 2: that really know what you's thinking. And I've had some

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Speaker 2: of those people talk about all sorts of possibilities including

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Speaker 2: you darbish, you know, uh coming back to MLB on

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Speaker 2: a on a minor league deal in spring training in

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Speaker 2: some future years, and that no one really does think

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Speaker 2: that that you. Darvish has said to himself, all right,

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Speaker 2: that's it.

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Speaker 3: I'm done. I think you has actually made that clear.

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Speaker 6: Can they get the money back? I don't.

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Speaker 5: I mean, if he says I avoid can I mean

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Speaker 5: when they want the Padres wanted him to do this

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Speaker 5: sooner than later, because I'm not exactly the number he's making,

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Speaker 5: but I'm assuming it's around twenty ish million, if not

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Speaker 5: more than the.

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Speaker 6: Okay, so then they can say, hey, we can use

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Speaker 6: that towards.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, that's something that they have have sort

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Speaker 2: of unofficially budgeted for twenty twenty six and beyond. Is

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Speaker 2: this money. This has been an ongoing thing where you know,

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Speaker 5: Okay, Well, then didn't ask this question, what did the

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Speaker 6: What do they need?

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Speaker 5: Is this team enough with Musgrove coming back and Mason

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Speaker 2: Depth problems, both starting pitching and position player. I mean,

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of questions about this team. Who is

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Speaker 2: And who's behind you know, Xander Bogart, Jake Cronaworth, Gavin Sheets. Well,

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Speaker 2: you need another first basement and you need a designated hitter.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, then you need another extra outfielder so they

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Speaker 4: All right. Every I feel like every off season or

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Speaker 3: Zero for now?

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Speaker 2: You notice that that's been basically the caveat is for now,

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Speaker 3: Now. Whenever I say that I got to give the

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Speaker 2: Preller, he finds a way to build this team and

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Speaker 3: Tatis Junior is very movable. If there's a.

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Speaker 3: They have to do that.

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Speaker 2: Fernando Tatis Junior is the guy that goes and yes

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Speaker 2: he has no trade. Those are those those can be

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Speaker 2: zero zero chance. Believe me, I have embarrassed myself how

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Speaker 2: many times I've asked people in the organization because this

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Speaker 7: It doesn't That doesn't mean after opening days, Okay.

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Speaker 3: How about this, I'll give you. I'll give you trade deadline.

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Speaker 3: I doubt it.

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Speaker 2: Gosh, I hate doing this because in today's day and age,

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Speaker 2: I think that what they have built in San Diego,

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Speaker 2: gonna think. Fernando Tautist Junior is like the guy in

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Speaker 3: Would what the.

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Speaker 2: Padres have built in this small market, with the fans,

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Speaker 3: I do not believe Fernando Tatis Junior will be moved.

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Speaker 2: I am in the business of it doesn't really matter

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Speaker 3: The facts are. He could be moved at some time.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's gonna happen.

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Speaker 5: Okay, just so you know how media works in social media, Kevin,

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Speaker 5: not gonna be year. We're not gonna put what year.

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Speaker 5: It could be twenty thirty, but you said it. So congratulations.

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Speaker 5: You're the first guy to say the Padres. Now everyone

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Speaker 5: I spoke the way I did.

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Speaker 3: I was all over the place, and I was doing.

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Speaker 6: But purpose the while knowing that all.

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Speaker 3: That many people would see is the headline.

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Speaker 7: So you're purposely vague, right, isn't that your word? Purposely vague?

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Speaker 3: I love that strategy.

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Speaker 6: That's small part. It's smart.

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Speaker 5: Now, two guys that the San Diego people love, maybe

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Speaker 5: more than Fernando Tatis is dog Don Orcillo in Mud Grant, okay,

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Speaker 5: in Don's miniyacht, as he calls it. Can someone explain

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Speaker 5: because that does not look like Don Riscilo. I am sorry,

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Speaker 5: that is way too young for Don. I text him

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Speaker 5: the same thing. I said, I need one of these.

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Speaker 5: But who did they get to stand in for your model?

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Speaker 5: Can we talk to the patres and find out who

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And I'm looking close like both Don and Mud

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Speaker 3: They really have. They're taking care of themselves.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but that's pretty spelt there for for Donna as

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Speaker 7: Right, I mean, come on, just I'm looking at it.

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Speaker 5: And by the way, that miniacht has a weight limit.

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Speaker 5: That's why Donal'll never take me in it. And if

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I'm saying I did.

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Speaker 3: That bubble head.

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Speaker 6: I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 5: It's amazing, it's amazing, It's gonna be awesome. They're the best,

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Speaker 5: They're one of the best. I'm not gonna say they're

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Speaker 5: and I've done many games with Don Ricillo. I only

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Speaker 5: have one complaint. Scott knows my complaint. Padres broadcast booth

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Speaker 5: and Crats is gonna be like, what are you talking about?

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Speaker 3: I'll look into it.

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Speaker 5: Okay, thank you. Next column, Why is the San Diego

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Speaker 6: Is that just for TV? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Because radio? When I did radio, play by play guy

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Speaker 4: You just set up wherever you want.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know. It's weird just San Diego, Scott.

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Speaker 5: I think you've done games there, and I think it's

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Speaker 6: But it's just strange. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Actually I haven't. I've done sideline there, I have not

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Speaker 3: Maybe it's Arcillo's good side. Maybe he's the one who

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Speaker 6: That's a good point. I didn't know that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, Kevin, always a pleasure catching up with you. We

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Speaker 1: love your info. Really great cracking into some news this offseason.

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Speaker 1: Love reading it, so thanks for joining us. Appreciate the time.

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Speaker 1: We'll catch it soon.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, guys. Take care,