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Speaker 1: This One Bills Live presented by Calida Health.

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Speaker 2: All Right, welcome into a Monday edition of One Bills Live.

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Speaker 2: I hope you're enjoying your Martin Luther King Day holiday

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Speaker 2: with the day off of work if you have one,

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Speaker 2: and we should recognize Martin Luther King Day, which is

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Speaker 2: a national holiday. So hope for those of you at

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Speaker 2: home that you're enjoying your day off, but it might

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Speaker 2: feel quite different. We decided not to do the game

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Speaker 2: rewind as we typically do after a game, in light

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Speaker 2: of the news that came down today, which was that

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Speaker 2: head coach Sean McDermott has been fired by the Buffalo

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Speaker 2: Bills organization. Surprising news, I think for everybody, particularly here

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Speaker 2: at One Bill's Drive. Bill's owner Terry Pagoula released a

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Speaker 2: statement that read as follows. Sean has done an admirable

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Speaker 2: job of leading our football team for the past nine seasons,

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Speaker 2: but I feel we are in need of a new

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Speaker 2: structure within our leadership to give this organization the best

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Speaker 2: opportunity to take our team to the next level. We

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Speaker 2: owe that to our players and to Bill's Mafia. Seawan

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Speaker 2: helped change the mindset of this organization and was instrumental

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Speaker 2: in the Bills becoming a perennial playoff team. I respect

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Speaker 2: all the work, loyalty, and attention to detail he showed

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Speaker 2: for this team and the community. I was Sean, Jamie

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Speaker 2: and his family all the best moving forward. Brandon Bean

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Speaker 2: will now serve as the President of Football Operations slash

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Speaker 2: General manager of the Buffalo Bills. Brandon will oversee all

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Speaker 2: facets of our football operation, including the oversight of our

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Speaker 2: coaching staff. I have full faith in and have witnessed

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Speaker 2: Brandon's outstanding leadership style and have confidence in his abilities

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Speaker 2: to lead our organization. Bean will be leading the search

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Speaker 2: for a new head coach, and we'll be working directly

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Speaker 2: with Pagoula and Pete Gwelly, who will now serve as

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Speaker 2: President of Business Operations, during the interview and hiring process.

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Speaker 2: So it looks and appears as though Brandon Bean and

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Speaker 2: Pete Gwelly, who was formerly COO, have received promotions to

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Speaker 2: lead this organization in finding a new head coach. Looking

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Speaker 2: back on the McDermott era, it was special. Over the

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Speaker 2: last six seasons, the Bills have scored the most points

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Speaker 2: allowed the fewest points, have the best one loss record

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Speaker 2: in football and had a points differential of nine hundred two.

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Speaker 2: No other team was better than plus six hundred in

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Speaker 2: that category. They also were the only team to make

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Speaker 2: at least one playoff game each of the last six seasons,

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Speaker 2: reaching two AFC title games. We should tell you firing

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Speaker 2: a head coach after a twelve wins season or better

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Speaker 2: is not unprecedented in the NFL. George Seffert was dismissed

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Speaker 2: by the San Francisco forty nine Ers after the nineteen

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Speaker 2: happened just two seasons after he had won a Super

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Speaker 2: Bowl with the team. Marty Schottenheimer was fired by the

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Speaker 2: San Diego Chargers after the two thousand and six season,

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Speaker 2: in which the team finished with an NFL best fourteen

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Speaker 2: to two record and won the AFC West. And John

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Speaker 2: Fox was fired by the Denver Broncos following the twenty

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Speaker 2: and won the AFC West. That decision came after a

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Speaker 2: disappointing playoff loss in the divisional round. And now Sean

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Speaker 2: McDermott is a part of that list after a twelve

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Speaker 2: on a Monday, two days after Buffalo's season ended in Denver.

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Speaker 3: Thought Steve surprising, I think for a lot of people,

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Speaker 3: for him. They We all know Sean has poured his

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Speaker 3: and it's hard to say goodbye on a day like this,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure Sean and his wife and family haven't even

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Speaker 2: Yeah, see we'll get another job quickly.

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Speaker 3: it was surprising for Bill's fans. I, like many of you,

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Speaker 3: every loss in those playoffs has been finger has been

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Speaker 2: Up my grave saying that those players were they were empty.

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Speaker 3: So with that being a set aside seats, every loss

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Speaker 3: under Sean has been I'm like, are you kidding? The

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Speaker 3: not just bad luck. Bill fans feel this is cursed, right,

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Speaker 3: So now leaderships got say, listen, we're done with it.

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Speaker 3: Uh that has become a characteristic. We're gonna do away

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Speaker 3: And and and for those of us who went through

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Speaker 3: who grew up with that. You know how much Sean

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Speaker 3: McDermott brought to the table for the Buffalo Bills. He

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Speaker 3: set I mean immediately everything changed. So now the hope

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Speaker 3: No guarantees of that, Nope, no guarantees of that. And

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Speaker 3: that's where we are today. Thank you to Sean McDermott

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Speaker 3: for everything he's meant to and done for the organization

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was clear in Terry Pagoula's statement that

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Speaker 2: he was appreciative of everything that Sean brought to the organization,

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Speaker 2: but clearly he feels this team is been unable to

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Speaker 2: You're inheriting a team with a lot of positive qualities.

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Speaker 2: I think the major plus is you're a very attractive

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Speaker 2: so there has to be Yeah, there's got to be

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Speaker 3: The You think too, about where we last saw Josh

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Speaker 3: This is a this is a leadership issue, and they're

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Speaker 3: get informed of the decision. They don't get asked about it.

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Speaker 3: And Terry Putula's got big enough shoulders. Hey, he'll he's ready.

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Speaker 3: Let's he's ready to take the strings and the slings

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Speaker 3: with that being said, I know Terry has a great

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Speaker 2: today's happenings here at one Bills Drive. So far, two

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Speaker 3: Given their, you know, the high level of accomplishment the

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Speaker 2: Like this, and maybe even one that's won a super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Last note from around the NFL. Dolphins defensive coordinator Anthony

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Speaker 4: Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call. Just a quick

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Speaker 4: let you guys comment. What would you think of maybe

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Speaker 4: a Mike McDaniel higher. I mean, I think he's off

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Speaker 4: the Shanahan tree, and he's you know, had some pretty

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Speaker 5: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: If Mike McDaniel can coach a team and not have

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Speaker 3: it be soft and spoiled, I'm all for it, because

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Speaker 3: that's what the Dolphins were. He was a brilliant offensive

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Speaker 3: Lois's quarterback and none nobody in this building has that

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Speaker 3: his team overall, his team overall got a quality, high

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Speaker 2: And not only that, players routinely came to meetings late,

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Speaker 2: in Buffalo. What's up, Peter, Hi, how you doing good?

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Speaker 6: I just have a couple of statements. I want to

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Speaker 6: Josh wasn't on board with this, and they made this

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Speaker 6: negative direction, I don't see that happening. I think trying

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Speaker 6: I don't think it's gonna look good for us for

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Speaker 3: All right, A couple of things.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what timing you would would be good.

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Speaker 3: This is the time of year when it's always done. Secondly,

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Speaker 2: Can't win a game that way.

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Speaker 3: He can't win a game like that. And it's one

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Speaker 3: of the few times we have seen that from this

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Speaker 3: The Bills defense allowed sixteen points on five turnovers on

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Speaker 3: I don't. Josh is the least of your worries.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't have any control over this. He can have

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Speaker 3: I don't. This team is in better caps has better

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Speaker 2: It's not terribly better, but they can make some other

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Speaker 3: The cap is not an issue. And with a new

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Speaker 3: He's gonna do that. The players are gonna do that.

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Speaker 3: They will be smart enough to realize the coach coming

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Speaker 3: That's just the way it works. So yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 2: Gotta take a break here, more of your phone calls

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Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Jasker with you on a Buffalo Football Monday, where,

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Speaker 2: naturally the topic of discussion is the firing of Sean

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Speaker 2: we go and to Jeff in South Carolina. What do

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Speaker 8: Jeff, Yeah, I feel like McDermott was kind of scapegoaded

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Speaker 8: Eagles game. I just feel like this is a bad

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Speaker 8: shake for Sean McDermott and I support him.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thanks for the call, Jeff, Yeah, I mean I

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Speaker 2: would say.

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Speaker 3: I would, Yes, you're right. It was a long and

437
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Speaker 3: up and down season with a lot of injuries to

438
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Speaker 3: key contributors. I would not go so far as to

439
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Speaker 3: say this was because of one loss. In fact, I

440
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Speaker 3: would It's been my opinion that this is because of

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Speaker 3: the traits of the excruciating exits from the playoffs the

442
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Speaker 3: Bills have suffered, and because they all seem to be

443
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Speaker 3: the same type of weird, quirky, bad call, missed call,

444
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Speaker 3: non call, you know, bad luck. Call it what you will.

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Speaker 3: That that was. It's a accumulation of games like we

446
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Speaker 3: saw on Saturday. That's what I think. Certainly, nobody, nobody

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Speaker 3: can dispute the fact of how good a coach Sean

448
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Speaker 3: McDermott is and the staff that he's put together and

449
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Speaker 3: the way they overcame the injuries this year to get

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Speaker 3: to the division round with a chance at going to

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Speaker 3: the Championship round can't be under and can't be overstated.

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Speaker 3: The guy, they they were great. They were a quality

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Speaker 3: NFL staff, and they were they figured it out. They

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Speaker 3: figured it out. They didn't have any dominant defensive players

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Speaker 3: at all, not one. They had some really good defensive

456
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Speaker 3: players and they got it done with those guys. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't think this was a reaction to one game.

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Speaker 3: I think it was reaction to a bunch of games

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Speaker 3: that were meaningful games at the ends of the seasons

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Speaker 3: that all looked like this game and this was just

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Speaker 3: the latest.

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Speaker 2: Let's move on to Nikki in Connecticut. What's up NICKI?

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Speaker 9: Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call. So I'm going

464
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Speaker 9: to have a lot to say, but I'm going to

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Speaker 9: keep you short and convinced on our quickly pop of

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Speaker 9: our problems. So I'm going to take us back in

467
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Speaker 9: time a little bit, and I think the whole Sean

468
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Speaker 9: mcdermal situation probably started all the way back when we

469
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Speaker 9: had our number one ride receiver that we ended up

470
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Speaker 9: trading and all the problems that might have occurred with that.

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Speaker 9: Obviously we don't know what definitively would happen, but my

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Speaker 9: GA is telling me everything really started from that point on.

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Speaker 9: And you can even go to the losses that we

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Speaker 9: had and the situations that we had over the last

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Speaker 9: two years, it still comes down to the fact that

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Speaker 9: we didn't have number one receivers, or we had to

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Speaker 9: spread the love mentality or whatever the circumstances. May be

478
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Speaker 9: because of this one circumstance that we had to trade

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Speaker 9: and let this player go for whatever circumstances. That seems

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Speaker 9: to be a bumping heads with Sean mcdernan. Now with

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Speaker 9: that being said, I wish we didn't have to let

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Speaker 9: him go. I did love seanman Berman. I think Brandon

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Speaker 9: Dean has always been the problem with the pros and

484
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Speaker 9: cons of how he drafts, but also for him to

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Speaker 9: get promoted is the ultimate slap in the face, if

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Speaker 9: you ask me. And that's where I'm not comfortable with

487
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Speaker 9: what just occurred and happened. And my blood is telling

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Speaker 9: me that they're going to do the whole Dogan pony

489
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Speaker 9: show of interviewing people, but I have a feeling that

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Speaker 9: it's going to come down to Brady. I think all

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Speaker 9: these decisions come down to Brady being the head coach.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Nicky, that's your opinion. You're entitled to it. I

493
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Speaker 2: will say that you can look at the promotion of

494
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Speaker 2: Brandon being a number of different ways, and all it

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Speaker 2: is is your interpretation of the decisions that were made.

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Speaker 2: There's no way for you, or us, or anyone outside

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Speaker 2: of the person that made that decision to know what

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Speaker 2: the motivations are. It could be that after firing Sean McDermott,

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Speaker 2: Terry Pagoula wanted to give Brandon Bean a vote of

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Speaker 2: confidence that his job status is okay, and he promotes

501
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Speaker 2: him to reinforce that. That could be the impetus here.

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Speaker 2: We don't know, because I'll tell you if I'm the

503
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Speaker 2: general manager and I see the head coach getting fired,

504
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Speaker 2: I think it's human nature to wonder about the security

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Speaker 2: of your own position, because you're every bit of part

506
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Speaker 2: of it, as the head coach has been for the

507
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Speaker 2: last nine years, and so that could be the reason

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Speaker 2: for the promotion. There could be other reasons. Again, we

509
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Speaker 2: don't know, and I'm not going to pretend to know,

510
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Speaker 2: because I'm not sitting in that room where it all happened.

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Speaker 2: But you have your opinion. You're entitled to it. I

512
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Speaker 2: don't know if it's accurate, because you don't know any

513
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Speaker 2: better than we do as to why the promotion was

514
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Speaker 2: given to Brandon Bean. My suspicion would be to reinforce

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Speaker 2: to him that Terry pagula wants to move forward with

516
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Speaker 2: Brandon Bean as running the per an l department and

517
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Speaker 2: finding the new head coach. Based on my experience covering

518
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Speaker 2: teams and covering a lot of coaching changes, that would

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Speaker 2: be why I think that was done. But again, I

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Speaker 2: don't know any better than you do.

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I'm and about the you know, the trade

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Speaker 3: of digs. If you're going back that far, don't think

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Speaker 3: that the trade of Digs was a Certainly Brandon Bean's

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Speaker 3: in control of the fifty three and he makes all

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Speaker 3: those trades. Don't think that was less than a little

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Speaker 3: bit more of a collective effort than you might think.

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Speaker 2: I think we also have to remember that this team

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Speaker 2: was over the cap when they traded Stefan Diggs and

529
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Speaker 2: incurred another thirty one million dollars in dead cap to

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Speaker 2: move him off the roster. That's a big decision with

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Speaker 2: a big penalty to make it.

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Speaker 3: And that's that screams to me that that was not

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Speaker 3: a Brandon Bean move because he would have postured better.

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Speaker 3: That seems like a move that got dropped onto his plate,

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Speaker 3: the Sean the Diggs trade, because he would have started

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Speaker 3: to line his ducks up a little bit faster than

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Speaker 3: he was able to do after it.

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Speaker 2: You know, well, you know what I'm saying, Yes, but

539
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Speaker 2: there are some things. There are some things you can

540
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Speaker 2: plan for, and there are some things you can't plan for.

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Speaker 2: That's my I wouldn't be surprised if that just became

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Speaker 2: an untenable situation that had to be addressed in the moment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and don't think that that wasn't a collective decision, ma'am.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Joe into Pew next.

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Speaker 10: What's up Joe, Hello, guys, Hello Steve.

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Speaker 11: This is a good day for the Buffalo Bills. I'm

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Speaker 11: a Bronco fan and I know Gary Kubiak, and he's

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Speaker 11: probably what you described, Steve about who you want as

549
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Speaker 11: the next Sid's coach. You ain't gonna get Gary, but

550
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Speaker 11: you might get his son.

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Speaker 10: And I want a little back and forth.

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Speaker 11: From these guys here, especially from Steve, that we both

553
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Speaker 11: know Gary. I think I spoke to you a Wegmans

554
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Speaker 11: at one time. I told you I know Gary, and

555
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Speaker 11: I don't think he's coming back, he said. But one

556
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Speaker 11: interesting comedy made is that he wanted to be a GM,

557
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Speaker 11: but no one wanted to hire him as a GM.

558
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Speaker 11: They wanted him as a coach, So you ain't gonna

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Speaker 11: get him. Him and Mike Shannan might be the best

560
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Speaker 11: coaches on the planet right now. And that coaching tree

561
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Speaker 11: directly leads to Clint Kobiak, the offensive coordinator of the

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Speaker 11: Seattle Seahawks. You want a guy, and I met Clint,

563
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Speaker 11: just like his old man, just like Gary, Calm, cool,

564
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Speaker 11: level headed, and he knows how to run an offense.

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Speaker 11: He's got the experience you're looking for. He's been a

566
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Speaker 11: quarterback in college, he's coached high school college in the pros.

567
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Speaker 11: Last year he had the Saints off as cooking until

568
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Speaker 11: everybody got hurt. And he came to the Seahawks, and

569
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Speaker 11: look what he did with Darnold. I think his father

570
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Speaker 11: taught him well. And if you're gonna hire anybody, that's

571
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Speaker 11: the best chance you got.

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Speaker 7: To hire a guy like that.

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Speaker 11: You ain't gonna get Gary. But I'll tell you what,

574
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Speaker 11: if you're lucky, he might be around town too. And

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Speaker 11: if you want to win a super Bowl, you'll never win.

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Speaker 11: When Dermot he's an I'm sorry, Steve, but he's another

577
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Speaker 11: Marv Levy. He'd never win anything. I was surprised that

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Speaker 11: Bills got rid of him so soon. I wish they

579
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Speaker 11: would have kept them, but they got rid of them.

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Speaker 12: They never win anything with him.

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Speaker 11: So I'm looking for comments from you, Steve, to see

582
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Speaker 11: what you have to say about Clint Kobeak. You know Gary,

583
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Speaker 11: and he's his son. Clinton is a chip off Bill Block.

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Speaker 2: Yep, you covered very much.

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Speaker 3: I did cross paths with Gary a couple of times.

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Speaker 3: He was obviously one of my contemporaries a players. I

587
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Speaker 3: would probably venture to guess he's a little he's too old.

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00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,919
Speaker 2: Well and if you remember when he left, was having

589
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Speaker 2: some health problem.

590
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Speaker 3: So that's that all goes into that. So yeah, okay,

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Speaker 3: Gary's off the table. His son Clint's the same thing.

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Speaker 3: And because of the tree and because of all the

593
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Speaker 3: symmetry that you're talking about, because Mike Shanahan was such

594
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Speaker 3: a fantastic head coach, his son Kyle Shanahan is a

595
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 3: great head coach. So therefore Clint Kubiak is going to

596
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Speaker 3: be a good head coach, just like Gary Kubiak was

597
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Speaker 3: a good head coach, all that kind of stuff. Maybe

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Speaker 3: I don't know, Clint. Clint's probably gonna get interviewed, no

599
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Speaker 3: question about it.

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Speaker 2: He's already been requested. But I think an interview this

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Speaker 2: week because his team is still they.

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Speaker 3: Can't do it. The thing about the Seattle scenario is, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Sam Darnold had a great year, no question about it.

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Speaker 3: Another good year one another fourteen games, and Kubiak's got

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Speaker 3: to be given a lot of credit for that. And

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Speaker 3: Kubiak is probably gonna get the exact same kind of

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Speaker 3: consideration Brian dabol did when he helped develop Josh Allen

608
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Speaker 3: and got the New York Giants head coaching job. Maybe

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Speaker 3: Clint Kubiak can be that kind of guy. You can

610
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Speaker 3: bet that the Bills are going to stand in line

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Speaker 3: and wait to talk to him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he can't interview till next week.

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Speaker 3: If you're an offensive assistant coach in the NFL, a

614
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Speaker 3: coordinator or whatever who's in the head coaching cycle and

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Speaker 3: is going to get interviewed this year, you are praying

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Speaker 3: that the Buffalo Bills call you because of Josh.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, it doesn't matter what I think

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Speaker 3: about Clint Kubiak. I could not I do not know him,

620
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Speaker 3: but yeah, you're right, that's that's he's going to be

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Speaker 3: on the list.

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Speaker 2: Set Seattle had the number eight offense in the league,

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Speaker 2: number tenth in rushing, eighth in passing, and they were

624
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Speaker 2: sixteenth and third down efficiency and third in total points.

625
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Speaker 2: That's with one of the best defenses in football, including

626
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Speaker 2: number one in points against. Yes, you did that with Darnold,

627
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Speaker 2: so you get kudos for that. He'll be a hot candidate.

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's any debate about that. Let's go

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Speaker 2: to Mike and Syracuse here next.

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Speaker 3: What's up, Mike, Hi, Chris.

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Speaker 12: I's see if I guess doing good good?

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: I just actually had a few quick comments actually about

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Speaker 12: the game itself that we just lost. I just had

635
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Speaker 12: a couple of questions. I know we're way off on

636
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Speaker 12: bigger topics with McDermott, but I was just curious as

637
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Speaker 12: to maybe some play calling. I know that we had

638
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Speaker 12: some we had some issues getting to getting the receivers

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Speaker 12: and whatnot. I I thought we would target the tight

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Speaker 12: ends a little bit more. So I was wondering on

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Speaker 12: your comments on that, just real quick. And also with

642
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Speaker 12: all the bad calls and all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 12: I totally agree that, you know, how can you win

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Speaker 12: a playoff game and you turn the ball over that

645
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Speaker 12: many times? And I think the Cook's interception was questionable,

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Speaker 12: But also I could kind of see it going both

647
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Speaker 12: ways in my opinion, Sometimes the other thing is I

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Speaker 12: think all that and it would have been negated if

649
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Speaker 12: they actually would have called the holding tunnel they on

650
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Speaker 12: Cooks on that third and goal that we kicked the

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Speaker 12: field goal to tie the game. So that's my opinion

652
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Speaker 12: on that, But also Josh took to blame because you know,

653
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Speaker 12: the turnovers did kill us. I mean, the other thing.

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Speaker 12: The other opinion I had on that as well is

655
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Speaker 12: just I think that Denver sucks because if a team

656
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Speaker 12: turns over that many turns the ball over that many times,

657
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 12: you should bury them in a playoff game, much like

658
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Speaker 12: the Seahawks did to the forty nine ers. There was

659
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Speaker 12: no mercy. They absolutely killed them and that's that's why

660
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Speaker 12: they're going to be the Super Bowl champces in my opinion.

661
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Speaker 12: But anyway, moving on with McDermott, I just had a

662
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Speaker 12: couple of opinions on that because I feel as though

663
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Speaker 12: I hope that that decision was made as a cumulative

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Speaker 12: thing over his coaching career, because I understand that Hump

665
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Speaker 12: people have talked about it for years and and I've

666
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Speaker 12: been there for all those losses and it's been hard

667
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Speaker 12: every year. But I feel as though this was his

668
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Speaker 12: best coaching year in my opinion, because I feel like

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Speaker 12: the guy got water out of his stone with this team.

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Speaker 12: I understand we have Josh who's awesome, Cook who is

671
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Speaker 12: an awesome running back, but as far as the defense

672
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Speaker 12: and the rest of what we had, the scheming, everything

673
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Speaker 12: he did, the blunders he's had in the past with

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Speaker 12: time management and clock management, and you know, being more

675
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Speaker 12: aggressive on offense. I know he people wanted him to

676
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Speaker 12: be more aggressive early on in his career. He's become

677
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Speaker 12: more aggressive. He's learned, and I feel like he's adapted

678
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Speaker 12: to do where he's where he is this year, and

679
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Speaker 12: I felt as though I was coaching this year was

680
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Speaker 12: excellent for the most part. Besides a few things here

681
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Speaker 12: and there, he's learned from his mistakes in the past

682
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Speaker 12: and has done well. I think he's going to be

683
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Speaker 12: missed in a lot of ways. And I also feel

684
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Speaker 12: as though Brandon Bean should have been the one to

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Speaker 12: go because all of his blunders this year. Yes, he

686
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Speaker 12: kept Cook, which is awesome because he's an awesome player,

687
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Speaker 12: but his blunders with Darius Flay, the blunders would possibly

688
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,720
Speaker 12: getting waddle that we might not know all the details

689
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Speaker 12: about those were bad. In my opinion, That's really all

690
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Speaker 12: I had to say about it. I wish McDermott the best.

691
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Speaker 12: I have a soft spot in the guy, like a

692
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Speaker 12: lot of guys do, because how great he's done here.

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Speaker 12: But I'll just hang up and listen to you guys' comments.

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Speaker 12: I appreciate you. I call go belts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll start with the tight ends. In the game,

696
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 2: they had eleven targets. Shakir and Brandon Cooks had fifteen,

697
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Speaker 2: so I felt like the targeting in the passing game

698
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Speaker 2: was pretty balanced across the board. I mean, even the

699
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Speaker 2: Backs had five targets in the passing game, so I

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Speaker 2: think your primary players in the passing game were properly utilized.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you wanted them targeted more or what,

702
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Speaker 2: but I mean six for six, you know, is six

703
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Speaker 2: for six, Knox is three for five, and one of

704
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 2: the targets was five feet over his head in overtime

705
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Speaker 2: on a collapsing pocket for Josh and he missed the throw,

706
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Speaker 2: So I'm not sure exactly what you wanted there. The

707
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Speaker 2: Bills almost had to run their offense through the tight

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Speaker 2: ends because of the lack of production at receiver outside

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Speaker 2: of Shakir, so Cooks was a good ad late though

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Speaker 2: he did have problem holding on to balls at times,

711
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Speaker 2: but he provided at least a stretch the field element

712
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Speaker 2: that they did not have prior to his arrival. And

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Speaker 2: I'll leave that there. Do you want to address the

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Speaker 2: other stuff?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't know about the You know,

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Speaker 3: you're right, Denver was not the better team, was not

717
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Speaker 3: the better team and they're gonna get their heads caved

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Speaker 3: in at home in the championship game by the New

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Speaker 3: England Patriots. You can't. I know, Denver has a really

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Speaker 3: good defense, but you cannot convince me Jared Stidham is

721
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Speaker 3: going to be able to decipher what the Patriots are

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Speaker 3: going to do defensively in that game.

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Speaker 2: They especially, let's.

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Speaker 3: Face it, it's a it's a dark day for Bill's

725
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Speaker 3: mafia because now here we go with the Patriots having,

726
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Speaker 3: you know, their way paved to the super Bowl by

727
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Speaker 3: a backup quarterback. They're going to go on the road

728
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Speaker 3: into a hostile environment and they got and they're playing

729
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Speaker 3: a backup quarterback. So the Patriots are going to be

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Speaker 3: in the Super Bowl again. And uh so that's really

731
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Speaker 3: hard for Bills fans sitting here after going to the

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Speaker 3: playoffs eight out of nine these last years and never

733
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Speaker 3: getting there. So it's pretty rough. Uh, And on a

734
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Speaker 3: game where you felt like the way should have been

735
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Speaker 3: paid for the Bills, the one playoff game you can

736
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Speaker 3: remember besides maybe the the Damar Hamlin playoff year where

737
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 3: they didn't play well enough to win in any even

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Speaker 3: in their eight losses over the course of the Sean

739
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Speaker 3: mcdermotry except for the Cincinnati game that one year. They

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Speaker 3: played really good football in those games and lost because

741
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Speaker 3: of these quirky scenarios that we've been talking about today.

742
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Speaker 3: That's hard to sit here and watch the Patriots head

743
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Speaker 3: to the Super Bowl like that for Bills fans, and

744
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 3: yet here we are. So I'm with you on that

745
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 3: the Denver game they should have won by the Denver Broncos.

746
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,399
Speaker 3: Should have been going away in that game and they

747
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Speaker 3: could not. They're not gonna do it this next week.

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Speaker 2: Gotta take a break here, more of your phone calls.

749
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Speaker 2: When we get back. We'll lead off with Charlie and

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Speaker 2: Buffalo when we return here on One Bill's Live, presented

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Speaker 2: by Colida Helft's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right back here

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00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 2: on One Bill's Live, Chris Brown Steve Tasker in a

753
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Speaker 2: Buffalo football Monday in a day that probably surprised a

754
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Speaker 2: lot of people this morning when the news came down

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Speaker 2: that head coach Sean McDermott had been fired. We go

756
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Speaker 2: now back to the phones for your reaction, and to

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Speaker 2: Charlie in Buffalo. What's up, Charlie?

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Speaker 13: Hi, Chriss, Well, Steve, thanks for taking my call.

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Speaker 3: You bet.

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Speaker 13: I'd like to ask Terry so please give John Grue

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Speaker 13: a cass. I don't think there's anybody that has a

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Speaker 13: better resume than what John has put together over his career.

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Speaker 13: And he's been in the domhouse now for how many years?

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Speaker 8: Okay?

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Speaker 13: I think he should be given another chance. He wants

766
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Speaker 13: another chance, and I think Jerry should at least call

767
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Speaker 13: and see if there's any common growths that could be

768
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Speaker 13: followed talking with there. And I'd also would call up

769
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Speaker 13: Bill Polly of it on this decision making it this

770
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Speaker 13: time unless they already know who there's not a hire, which,

771
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Speaker 13: like you said, you don't know, none of us know.

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Speaker 13: But if you look at what John Gruty did with

773
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Speaker 13: the Raiders and what he did offensively with rich Dannon, okay,

774
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Speaker 13: and then no one knows more than all the zebra

775
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Speaker 13: calls than we do, or that he mad happened to him.

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Speaker 13: And then when he went to Tampa Bay, he was

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Speaker 13: left with a very good situation. He had a bunch

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Speaker 13: of players that were very good and he put that

779
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Speaker 13: together and look what he did defensively and Shampa Okay.

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Speaker 13: So I wouldn't have got rid of Seawan McDermott. I

781
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Speaker 13: would have gave him another year. But because we're here

782
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Speaker 13: now and now you have to make these decisions, these

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Speaker 13: are people I would at least have discussions with.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear it, Charlie. I'm very interested to see

785
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Speaker 2: who the interview candidates wind up being, because I think,

786
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 2: on one hand, it seems rather clear that most of

787
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Speaker 2: the owners in the league have leaned in favor of

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Speaker 2: offensive background coaches as head coaching candidates, especially if they

789
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Speaker 2: have a quarterback, because by doing that, you know you

790
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 2: don't have to worry about your offensive system changing because

791
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 2: if you don't have the offensive minded coach, as was

792
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 2: the case here, and your coordinator excels in their role

793
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 2: with Josh Allen, you're having to replace that coordinator every

794
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 2: few years. Now. The Bills did that rather successfully, with

795
00:46:53,280 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 2: the exception of Ken Dorsey, you know, going to Brady

796
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 2: and obviously Brian Dable was very successful here after Rick Dennison,

797
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Speaker 2: who was not Sean McDermott's first choice, you know, had

798
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Speaker 2: to jettison him after a year. So that is one

799
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Speaker 2: obstacle you avoid for your franchise quarterback. If you hire

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00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 2: an offensive minded coach, then the question becomes, do you

801
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 2: have to hire a veteran coach that's won a Super

802
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Speaker 2: Bowl because you believe that to be better than what

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Speaker 2: you had in Sean McDermott, or do you go to

804
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Speaker 2: the other end of the spectrum and hire the hot, young,

805
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Speaker 2: hot shot offensive play caller. I'm very curious to see

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Speaker 2: who the Bills choose to line up for interviews. It

807
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 2: could be candidates from both of those pools, but I'm

808
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,720
Speaker 2: very interested to see if they lean in one direction

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Speaker 2: or the other going forward here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the process will tell us some things, certainly were well,

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Speaker 3: not everybody, but we've got lists of all the eligible guys.

812
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 3: Who the hot candidates, the the other the candidates that

813
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 3: everybody knows their names, the Mike Tomlins of the world,

814
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy's of the world, John Gruden's of the world,

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Speaker 3: you know, all these guys, guys that have won Super Bowls,

816
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 3: former head coaches, and then all you know, of course

817
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 3: the hot the hot names that are around the league,

818
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Speaker 3: like Clint Kubiak Raheem Morrise is a former head coach,

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Speaker 3: but he's a defensive guy, Matt Nagy Art Smith. I mean,

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Speaker 3: there's all these names that are that are out there.

821
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Speaker 3: So Mike McDaniel, former coach of the Dolphins, who somebody's

822
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 3: chimed in on him today. So you know, this is

823
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Speaker 3: not gonna We'll find out as they get around and

824
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 3: when they start to bring guys in and have interviews,

825
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Speaker 3: will get some form of be able to formulate our

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Speaker 3: own opinions about who they are and what they are.

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Speaker 3: But there's a long list of guys that are gonna

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Speaker 3: be brought in, I would think, and you know it's

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Speaker 3: gonna be a process to use that word.

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Speaker 2: We are up against the break here, but more of

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Speaker 2: your phone calls in our number two as we are

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Speaker 2: wide open for those. So if you're holding an eighth

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Speaker 2: three oh five fifty, stay where you are. We'll get

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Speaker 2: to you when we return here. On one Bill's Live

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Speaker 2: presented by Kelida Health, It's Buffalo Bill's Radio.

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Speaker 1: The one Bills Live presented by Calllida Health now our.

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Speaker 2: Number two on a Buffalo Football Monday, and a very

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Speaker 2: different Buffalo Football Monday. As Sean McDermott was relieved of

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Speaker 2: his duties as head coach of the Buffalo Bills this morning,

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Speaker 2: and I think it's safe to say that was sending

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Speaker 2: some shockwaves through Western New York. I think a lot

842
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 2: of fans were caught off guard by it. I think

843
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 2: surprising move would be an apt description. But here we are,

844
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Speaker 2: and now the Bills need to move forward with Brandon

845
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 2: Bean set to lead the coaching search going forward. So

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Speaker 2: we're taking your thoughts on it. At eight h three

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Speaker 2: oh five point fifty one eighty eight five fifty two,

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Speaker 2: five point fifty And to Dennis on a celle, what's up, Dennis.

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Speaker 14: Thanks for taking my call. Sure, been a fan since

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Speaker 14: nineteen sixty one. There's a lot of us out here

851
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 14: and we see some of the mistakes that have been made.

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00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 14: Sean McDermott needs to be commended for the human being

853
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Speaker 14: and the coach that he was. There is light at

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Speaker 14: the tunnel for that man. I wish Coach Johnson was

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Speaker 14: alive to give him a hug and say, hey, everything's

856
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 14: gonna be okay. Your general manager has not taken enough

857
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Speaker 14: seat because he gave Sean McDermott. It would be like

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Speaker 14: playing blackjack and the dealer is holding ten. Stuaces Sean.

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Speaker 14: He wasn't a hard enough coach. He was too much

860
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 14: like Marv Okay. Our defense made the same mistakes over

861
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Speaker 14: and over and over again. But Sean did the best

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Speaker 14: he could and so goes back to the general manager.

863
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 14: I'm sorry to say. If they promote the offensive coordinator

864
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 14: and Brandon Bean stays with an organization, I'm going to

865
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 14: have to look for another team to root for. You

866
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 14: can't do it anymore.

867
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 2: Since nineteen sixty one. Now you're going to change. Yes, Yes,

868
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:26,240
Speaker 2: this was the last.

869
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 3: This was the last. This is the last straw in

870
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 3: the playoff seventeen year drought and Rex Ryan and Doug

871
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 3: Marone and Mike Mlarkey and Greg Williams and Chan Gaily

872
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 3: and all of that stuff and all the mess that

873
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:48,240
Speaker 3: you went through. Changing this head coach in that way,

874
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 3: that's it for you. Yes, Dennis, Dennis, You're Dennis, Okay,

875
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 3: go ahead.

876
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 14: We have we have an opportunity during the Jim Kelly

877
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 14: year and now we have another opportunity, right, and we're

878
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 14: not giving the head coach the weapons to get the

879
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 14: job completely done. Okay, and that boils back to the

880
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 14: general manager. Okay, that boils back to the general manager.

881
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 2: All Right, we got you, Dennis. Thanks for the call.

882
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 2: I know that criticism is going to fly today and

883
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 2: there's a move like this.

884
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 3: Forgive me for a moment of levity here. So you've

885
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 3: been a fans is nineteen.

886
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 2: Sixty and this is going to be this is what

887
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 2: did it for you?

888
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 3: Dennis? If this is what did it for you, you're

889
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 3: a soft quitter because most Bills fan have been through

890
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 3: harder than this.

891
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if one at least eleven games each

892
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 2: of the last two as come on, man, Yeah that's something.

893
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 3: Take a deep breath and I get it. You you

894
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 3: have it. And I'll say this too. It's a it's

895
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:57,720
Speaker 3: a long shot. It's a long shot with the amount

896
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 3: of candidates that are proven and what's going on with

897
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 3: the team. I I not that Joe Brady isn't a

898
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 3: good coach or anything could be and maybe he'll be

899
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 3: a great head coach in the future. I don't think

900
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 3: that's in the cards for this transition. It might be,

901
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 3: and I'm sure they'll talk to him about being the guy,

902
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 3: because other teams are talking to him about it. I

903
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 3: don't think it's in the cards for an internal promotion,

904
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 3: Not that I don't think Joe can do it. I

905
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 3: just think there's too much carry over there, you know

906
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 3: what I mean. I think if you're gonna make a

907
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 3: coach of this, a coaching change of this magnitude with

908
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 3: this guy who's who you just let go, you're gonna

909
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:41,760
Speaker 3: you're looking for bigger changes than just, you know, moving

910
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 3: guys up the ladder. Maybe I'm wrong. I have no

911
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 3: insight into the head coaching search at all.

912
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 2: To Caleb in Arcade, let me pull him up here.

913
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 15: What do you got, hey, guys, Thank you.

914
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 16: I just want to touch space on you guys. Said

915
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 16: earlier about a winning coach that has won a Super Bowl,

916
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 16: first name that came to mind was Pete Carroll. I

917
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 16: know he just got canned over in Oakland, well not Oakland, Vegas.

918
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 16: But with if that's what you what we're looking for,

919
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 16: I'd say he wouldn't be a bad fit, considering that

920
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:26,760
Speaker 16: he has won a Super Bowl in Seattle. Another thing too.

921
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 16: I just McDermott getting canned kind of bothered me a

922
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 16: little bit, just because I'm I'm a little bit of

923
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 16: a younger Bill's fan. My mom was a he is

924
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 16: a huge Steve Tasker fan at a little bit younger

925
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 16: group watching Ryan Fitzpatrick and started watching when Jan Gaily

926
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 16: was the head coach. And the fact that this guy

927
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 16: has been around way longer than a lot of these guys,

928
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 16: I say, combined maybe even kind of bothers my soul

929
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 16: a little bits here. I also kind of agree with

930
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 16: the other guys saying that Bean isn't getting enough heat

931
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 16: in the And I know you guys don't know why

932
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 16: he got the promotion, but I just feel it doesn't

933
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 16: sit right with me as all. Again, thank you for

934
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:21,399
Speaker 16: my call.

935
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure thing, Caleb. Yeah. Pete Carroll comes from the

936
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 2: defensive side of the ball. That should be noted here.

937
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 2: But he's got a career five sixty three winning percentage,

938
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 2: and he does have a Super Bowl title. He's also

939
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 2: seventy four years old. So these are all things that

940
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 2: are going to have to be considered, and you know,

941
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 2: going forward, I'm sure that more fans will want to

942
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:55,800
Speaker 2: criticize more than just coach McDermott after today. You're entitled

943
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 2: to your opinion, but it's clear that Terry Pagoula made

944
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 2: the decision that Brandon Bean is the one to lead

945
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 2: the franchise forward. The promotion is indication of that. And

946
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 2: with Brandon Bean staying and Sean McDermott going, I think

947
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 2: that's another signal to everyone out there that he trusts

948
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 2: his vision for the franchise going forward. That's pretty much

949
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 2: where it sits. To Pete in Jacksonville next, what's up Pete?

950
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 17: Hey, guys, Two names to discuss. John Gudin's name has

951
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 17: been mentioned. Could he really be in play or is

952
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 17: he still considered radioactive? And number two, I'd like to

953
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 17: point out that Marv Levy is available and is still

954
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 17: sharp as attack your thoughts.

955
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think Marv Levy is an option at

956
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 2: one hundred years of age. I think he's he's kind

957
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 2: of just doing his own thing right now. If you

958
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 2: remember twenty years ago, he was general manager here, which

959
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 2: is probably less physically taxing than being a coach, and

960
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 2: he agreed to do it, but only for two years

961
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 2: because he was older then John Gruden's sixty two for

962
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 2: what it's worth. And again it's a veteran coach with

963
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 2: a Super Bowl on his resume. So I'm again we're

964
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 2: we're going to be seeing in the not too distant

965
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 2: future the makeup of the head coaching candidates that the

966
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 2: Bills interview when they happen. And I'm very curious to

967
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 2: see what direction Brandon Bean and those helping him take

968
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 2: this interview process. Is it veteran coaches with a Super

969
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 2: Bowl on their resume or is it the other end

970
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 2: of the spectrum with younger, up and coming coaches that

971
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 2: are considered to be promising with a capital P. Where's

972
00:58:59,400 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 2: that going to land?

973
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 3: They did that and had great success with Sean McDermott

974
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 3: was a first time head coach. They did have I

975
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 3: have to we have to check out. They did have

976
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 3: a serve like a consulting service. Here you saw the

977
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 3: Atlanta Falcons do that. They hired a search for a

978
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 3: search firm for both the GM and then a different

979
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 3: search firm for the head coach.

980
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 7: Uh.

981
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 3: Interesting way to do it, but that you know, because

982
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 3: it removes your biases and all of that stuff from it,

983
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 3: and it and it grabs the head first head coach

984
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 3: and it and it also doesn't demote guys because they

985
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 3: don't know them or whatever. It's strictly on an interview

986
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 3: basis and information gathering basis, a little dispassionate and sometimes

987
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 3: you get a better result from that.

988
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 18: Uh.

989
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 3: But then again, it's a very different atmosphere in this

990
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 3: building from when Sean mcdertott was hired. To begin with,

991
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 3: they had been through one hiring cycle already, remember the

992
00:59:55,680 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 3: Rex Ryan thing, and hired a new GM and they

993
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 3: have been sitting here doing business in the NFL for

994
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 3: a decade now, over a decade, so they're not novices

995
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 3: to this process, and they are much more well versed

996
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 3: in how this stuff works than they were when they

997
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 3: hired McDermott. So that gives me some confidence that they

998
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 3: can they'll go through this process and pick the right guy.

999
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 2: And don't forget, Bean was not part of the previous

1000
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 2: hiring drugs, That's right. He was not here yet, that's right.

1001
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 3: So yeah, I and you know now too, And I

1002
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 3: know Terry gets a lot of grief for the you know,

1003
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 3: for the sabers across town and all of that and

1004
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 3: how that's going, which is you know, kind of a

1005
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 3: it's it's been a tough month and a half for

1006
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 3: Terry Pegoula, the hockey owner haters, it's been a tough

1007
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 3: and a half for them, right, but he knows. This

1008
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 3: is a guy who's as experienced as Terry wasn't making

1009
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 3: the fortune that he made to help allow him to

1010
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 3: buy these sports franchises. He is a grizzled veteran owner

1011
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 3: now in pro sports as well. So I'm you know,

1012
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 3: we get a little confidence in Terry that he'll do

1013
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:11,959
Speaker 3: this the right way. I gotta says, it's I hadn't

1014
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 3: thought about that until until they brought it up. But

1015
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 3: this is the guy that's been around the block like

1016
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 3: five times in pro sports, so you know, right, he

1017
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 3: knows what he's doing. I think I think we'll see

1018
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 3: the other interesting in the pudding.

1019
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 2: But we'll see the other interesting dynamic here is both

1020
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 2: Sean McDermott and Brandon Bean reported directly to Terry Paula. Now,

1021
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 2: based on the structure of the front office, it would

1022
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 2: appear that Brandon Bean and Brandon Bean only will report

1023
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 2: to Terry. Would a veteran head coach be okay with

1024
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 2: that arrangement, I don't know, Maybe maybe not. So does

1025
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 2: that point to a younger coach that's going to be

1026
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 2: a first time head coach as the preference in terms

1027
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 2: of hiring. I don't know, but but the new dynamic

1028
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 2: of you know, the upper executive structure, I think is

1029
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 2: something that may impact who does and who does not

1030
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 2: interview right if they want more say so in the operation.

1031
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 2: It seems to me with this promotion, they're not going

1032
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 2: to have it. I could be wrong, but it would

1033
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 2: seem to me that Brandon Bean is going to kind

1034
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 2: of rule from the top, and the head coach is

1035
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 2: going to be the head coach, and he's going to

1036
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 2: report to Brandon, and only brand is going to be

1037
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 2: reporting to Terry. At least that that's how it looks

1038
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 2: based on the promotion he's been given. Could be wrong

1039
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:36,439
Speaker 2: extremely well.

1040
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 3: And also it's also an opportunity hiring a new guide

1041
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 3: to fix things that have been issues that have that

1042
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 3: have caused problems. You know, Terry didn't maybe Terry would

1043
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 3: didn't want to be the middleman anymore. Possibly you know

1044
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. It's like, listen, you you know, work

1045
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:05,919
Speaker 3: it out, you guys, sit down, work it out. Maybe

1046
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 3: he didn't want to be the mediator. Or if there were.

1047
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 3: I don't know. We didn't get much of this at

1048
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 3: all in the building. Like Sean and Brandon were like

1049
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 3: fighting all the time, and we didn't get much of

1050
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 3: that at all, any of those vibes in the building.

1051
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 3: Of course, it would have been light years ahead above

1052
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 3: our pay grade to have that information. That's right. But

1053
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 3: if it was a problem, you can see that, Terry's

1054
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 3: gonna say, listen, I'm not doing this anymore. Let's fix

1055
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 3: it with the structure of the organization and let's go forward.

1056
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 2: Let's go to Josh in Buffalo next. What's up, Josh,

1057
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 2: Hey guy.

1058
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 5: That's how you doing. Thanks for having me on. I

1059
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 5: appreciate it. So what I wanted to really discuss with

1060
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 5: the whole Sean McDermott firing was I didn't like the

1061
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 5: way and I've always liked Sean McDermott as a coach,

1062
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 5: but I didn't like the way he did not really

1063
01:03:55,120 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 5: take ownership for the loss in the post game commentary.

1064
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 5: You know, Sean was was more focused on that one play,

1065
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 5: that the that the refs called the play incorrectly.

1066
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 2: Well, well, in fairness, that's all he was asked about.

1067
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 2: In the post game press conference. I mean, that's all

1068
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 2: the media asked him about that play the other controversial plays.

1069
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 2: I mean, he was pressed on that question several times.

1070
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 2: I was sitting there, so I mean he's simply responding

1071
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 2: to questions that he's being asked.

1072
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 5: Right, But did we also we also forgot about to

1073
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 5: who made the decision with sixteen seconds left in the

1074
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 5: second half to go go and run the ball or

1075
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 5: try their attempt to run the ball down the field

1076
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 5: as opposed to actually kneeling on it. They cave Denver

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Speaker 5: next to three points, which he.

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Speaker 2: Was asked about that and he answered it, and he said,

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01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 2: you know, we want to be aggressive there. Can you

1080
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 2: blame him for the quarterback carrying the ball like a

1081
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 2: loaf of bread in the open field?

1082
01:04:58,360 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 8: Right?

1083
01:04:58,640 --> 01:04:59,919
Speaker 2: Do you want to blame him for that too?

1084
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 5: You can't blame him for that, No, you can't, you know.

1085
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 5: But but you know, like I said, I think when

1086
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 5: you think about it, those three points did make a

1087
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 5: huge difference, and in the final result of that game.

1088
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 2: So did the other four turnovers. Those weren't on the

1089
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 2: coach either.

1090
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 5: Right, well, absolutely absolutely, but that three points does make

1091
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 5: a huge difference to the same thing with the Eagles

1092
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 5: game that we had earlier this year. You know that again,

1093
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 5: you know, we went for two points to try to

1094
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 5: win it instead of an extra point to try to

1095
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 5: do that.

1096
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 2: Ky It. There was also in that game you had

1097
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 2: a quarterback take a nineteen yard loss to take them

1098
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 2: out of field goal range on a third down. I mean,

1099
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 2: you can come up with coaching decision and I can

1100
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 2: come up with just as many plays on the field

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01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 2: by the players. I mean, I'm just I'm just trying

1102
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 2: to be Devil's advocate here, Josh, that's all. I mean, sure,

1103
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 2: I understand where you're coming from, But to me, the

1104
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 2: players and the execution on the field was the biggest

1105
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 2: problem on Saturday.

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01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 5: Well, absolutely absolutely, But you know, like I said, there

1107
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 5: were some other poor decisions even throughout the season two.

1108
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 5: I remember there was a one in one of our

1109
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 5: losses there was a challenge that could have been called

1110
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 5: that could have went our way. It was in one

1111
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 5: of our losses, and I forgot which loss it was.

1112
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 5: Also there was another of our losses actually that we

1113
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 5: went for it on fourth and two or fourth and three,

1114
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 5: you know, our own forty yard line, which you know

1115
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 5: it affected that game as well too. And again, there

1116
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 5: were so many close games this season. I think McDermott

1117
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 5: was a great coach, I really do. A lot of

1118
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 5: these things do come down to coaching decisions. I understand

1119
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 5: you want to be aggressive with sixteen seconds left in

1120
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 5: the second half, But had we not been aggressive, you know,

1121
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 5: people failed to recognize that they had three points, you know,

1122
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 5: made the difference in the game to the decision.

1123
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm still going to tell you that

1124
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 2: five turnovers were the biggest problem when it wasn't just one.

1125
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 2: Not to mention the fact that the defense didn't even

1126
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 2: get to go out on the field to defend that

1127
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 2: turnover because it's the end of the half, right a quarterback,

1128
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's football, one oh one. The quarterback

1129
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 2: has to know in the open field, you tuck it

1130
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:05,439
Speaker 2: away and carry it like a running back.

1131
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 5: Right.

1132
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:10,440
Speaker 2: That's simple football. That's not coaching. That's something a player

1133
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 2: learns at little loop level. It was a poor decision

1134
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 2: in the moment, So it's to me that's not coaching.

1135
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 2: I mean, you can you want to knock the decision

1136
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 2: to let your best player go try to make a

1137
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 2: play and maybe get in field goal range, you know,

1138
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 2: and and that happens, you know, that's you putting your

1139
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 2: trust in the best player on your team, and unfortunately

1140
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 2: that player made a poor decision. To me, that's not coaching,

1141
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 2: that's a poor decision by a player. And you know, unfortunately,

1142
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 2: ball security was a major issue in that game. And

1143
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 2: you know, people are calling about the defense too. The

1144
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 2: defense gave up sixteen points on five turnovers. That's like

1145
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 2: three points a turnover, and and and I think four

1146
01:07:57,840 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 2: of them happened on their half of the field. The

1147
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 2: only turnover that happened on the other side of the

1148
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 2: field was the Cook fumble early in the game. Everything else,

1149
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:07,080
Speaker 2: the long touched, the long throat, oh, the arm punt,

1150
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 2: of the arm punt.

1151
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 3: But yeah, two out of the five. Yeah, you know,

1152
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 3: the Bills didn't play their best. Now, the defense did.

1153
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 3: It was playing good going into that game, and they

1154
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 3: certainly gave the Bills offense a chance to find itself. Finally,

1155
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 3: and even for the Bills scoring thirty points with five

1156
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 3: turnovers in your pocket, I mean, that's it's an unbelievable game.

1157
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 3: And that's why you know, you get Bills fans and

1158
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 3: even BROWNI and I are sitting here thinking and it

1159
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 3: felt like the Bills were of a vastly superior team

1160
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 3: and they didn't play well enough to win.

1161
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:37,639
Speaker 2: Nope.

1162
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 3: And I don't want to even say what I've been

1163
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 3: saying for months. You know, you gotta players, you gotta

1164
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 3: play well on that day. Your season's on the line,

1165
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 3: you gotta play well on that day. The Bills did not,

1166
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:49,479
Speaker 3: and it cost him their season. That's all there is

1167
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 3: to it. Sometimes, and we've seen it eight out of

1168
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 3: the last nine years, six or seven out of the

1169
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 3: last nine years at least, where they did play well

1170
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 3: on that day and still didn't win. There are no guarantees,

1171
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:02,599
Speaker 3: but you're not gonna win if you don't play well.

1172
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 3: The Broncos played good enough and played well in the

1173
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:10,640
Speaker 3: face and got some stuff dumped in their lap that

1174
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 3: helped them the five turnovers, and they won the game barely.

1175
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 3: They barely won the game in overtime yep, with a

1176
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:23,719
Speaker 3: plus three or plus four plus four turnover margin.

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01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:26,599
Speaker 2: And not to mention the fact that as good as

1178
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 2: the Broncos defense was, they had fourteen takeaways in seventeen

1179
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 2: games this season. It was the fifth lowest takeaway total

1180
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 2: in the league. Fourteen takeaways in seventeen games of the

1181
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 2: regular season, they get five in the divisional playoff.

1182
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's it's a unfortunately, and I'm kind of

1183
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 3: going back to this time and again it feels like

1184
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 3: when you see the whole thing from this from today,

1185
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 3: late January in twenty twenty six, you look back across

1186
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 3: all the vastness of the Sean McDermott era, which is

1187
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 3: almost a decade, is as long as any head coach is,

1188
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 3: almost as they have stayed here except for Marv maybe,

1189
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:16,759
Speaker 3: and you just realize that all of these excruciating losses

1190
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 3: look the same from this end, you know, the thirteen

1191
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:27,679
Speaker 3: second game, the quarterback sneak game, this interception slash reception game,

1192
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 3: the digs drop against Kansas City game here in high Mark,

1193
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 3: they all have that excruciating last little bit of bad luck,

1194
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 3: of uncharacteristic event that is the hallmark of the game

1195
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:52,720
Speaker 3: that sends you home again. And from this point of

1196
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 3: the you know, from this end of the Sean McDermott era,

1197
01:10:56,200 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 3: it turned into a characteristic which olultimately I think is

1198
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:03,720
Speaker 3: the reason why you think, you know, we need a

1199
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:09,599
Speaker 3: little something different, and that's that's why it's so hard

1200
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:12,960
Speaker 3: to get your mind around what could it possibly be,

1201
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:15,799
Speaker 3: and people are falling. You know, you use the default

1202
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:18,600
Speaker 3: though they need better players. I don't know if you

1203
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 3: can watch them play the Denver Broncos yesterday and say

1204
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 3: they need better players. You felt like they were the

1205
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 3: better team on Saturday. You felt that way. You felt

1206
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 3: that way, You felt that way all the way through

1207
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:32,799
Speaker 3: even and I think.

1208
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 2: For a long time though we have felt that the

1209
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:36,720
Speaker 2: team is better than the sum of its parts. Like

1210
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 2: that's collectively as a team, they are very good. They

1211
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 2: separate that roster out and take talent individual by individual.

1212
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 2: It is not the same as some of the better

1213
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:48,080
Speaker 2: teams in the league. Would you agree with that?

1214
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to throw Pro Bowl at some of

1215
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:53,760
Speaker 3: what Pro Bowl?

1216
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:55,800
Speaker 2: Come on Pro Bowl to all pros on the team.

1217
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 3: Think about this. This is the same guy, the same

1218
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 3: coaching staff theoretically, although it's been moved through. Who got

1219
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 3: this team to the playoffs with a roster that was

1220
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 3: accused of tanking and with Tyrod Taylor as their quarterback?

1221
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 3: So it's not you know, so, like I said, in

1222
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:19,839
Speaker 3: all of these teams, in all of these scenarios, there's

1223
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:26,640
Speaker 3: a million moving parts, and to separate it out and

1224
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:33,759
Speaker 3: to parse it out and say, you know, this guy's

1225
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:37,479
Speaker 3: the problem, that guy's the problem. It's hard. What happens

1226
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 3: is you feel like a change of leadership will change

1227
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 3: your fortunes. That's what it boils down to. And the Bills, now,

1228
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 3: after so much success under Sean McDermot, are feeling like

1229
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:52,559
Speaker 3: we need a different outcome and the only way to

1230
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 3: get it is going to be to make a more

1231
01:12:54,040 --> 01:13:01,679
Speaker 3: fundamental change. And that's what they did today. Yeah, that's

1232
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:04,720
Speaker 3: that's you gotta get your mind around it, whether you

1233
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 3: like it or not, whether you think it was the

1234
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 3: right guy or not. You know, we're getting a lot

1235
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:10,600
Speaker 3: of feedback obviously. And you know, Brandon Bean's taking some

1236
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 3: bullets here today. I get it. And Terry Pola is

1237
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 3: gonna take his share of bullets. I mean he, like

1238
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 3: I said earlier, he's got big enough shoulders he can

1239
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 3: take it. I mean, he's he's done. That's what That's

1240
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:22,920
Speaker 3: what an owner does, is take shots.

1241
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 18: Right.

1242
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 3: But they made a decision now, the one they feel

1243
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:27,920
Speaker 3: that they can move forward with. We will see.

1244
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:30,639
Speaker 2: Gotta take a break here. More of your calls when

1245
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:32,720
Speaker 2: we get back on One Bill's Live presented by co

1246
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:50,639
Speaker 2: lot of health. It's Buffalo Bill's Radio. All right back

1247
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 2: here on One Bill's Live, Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with

1248
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 2: you as we are discussing the news that came down

1249
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 2: this morning that head coach Sean McDermott has been fired.

1250
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 2: Terry Pagoula issuing a statement earlier today. We'll probably read

1251
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:07,040
Speaker 2: that in the third hour for those that are just

1252
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:09,559
Speaker 2: joining us once again. But in the meantime we go

1253
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 2: to the phones at eight h three h five fifty

1254
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 2: in to Al in Clarence next. What's up?

1255
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:16,680
Speaker 19: Hal, Hey guys, I'm sixty one years old and I

1256
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 19: would say this is up there and the most shocking things.

1257
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 19: I think the wrong guy got fired. I'm glad Steve

1258
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:26,720
Speaker 19: brought up the parallels. Like you know, Terry Pegoula can

1259
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 19: take the shots. I mean, he owns the New York

1260
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 19: Jets of the NHL too longest franchises without a playoff appearance.

1261
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 19: And actually Terry's been losing longer than the Bills have

1262
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 19: been winning because he owned the Sabers first. I don't

1263
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 19: think it's Sean's fault that we didn't have any receivers

1264
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 19: to throw to. Should have had made the wattle deal

1265
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 19: that came out. I don't know what the difference was

1266
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:54,559
Speaker 19: between this year and next year as far as letting them,

1267
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:57,600
Speaker 19: you know, ultimately that I that was one of the

1268
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 19: biggest things that killed us. I mean, players, the games, coaches,

1269
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:05,600
Speaker 19: coach the games. I mean that was ridiculous. You know,

1270
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 19: we give up, like you guys said, five turnovers and

1271
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:10,799
Speaker 19: only giving up sixteen points. The defense wasn't.

1272
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 3: The problem so well, not in that game, no, No.

1273
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:19,679
Speaker 19: So I really just thought, you know, I they're saying Tomlin,

1274
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 19: Tomlin's under contract for another year. They had won conversation.

1275
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 19: I think that's where Sewn's gonna end up going to Pittsburgh.

1276
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 19: I think he's gonna be the hottest coaching commodity out there. There.

1277
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 19: There's no Ben Johnson out there this year. I mean,

1278
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 19: if there was a Ben Johnson out there like there

1279
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:35,639
Speaker 19: was last year, I'd say, okay, yeah, I'd be all

1280
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 19: behind this. But there's not that guy out there this year.

1281
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,600
Speaker 19: And Retread's greed and blasted Google on the radio this

1282
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:44,759
Speaker 19: morning for Fire and Sean, So he's definitely not coming here,

1283
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:50,320
Speaker 19: you know, you know, just you know, like Steve said,

1284
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:51,640
Speaker 19: you know, he's the owner of the team and can

1285
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:54,679
Speaker 19: do what he wants. But he has shown us consistent

1286
01:15:54,680 --> 01:16:01,520
Speaker 19: failure for fourteen years. I mean the product is the product. Yeah,

1287
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Speaker 19: and that building has been empty.

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Speaker 3: Guy, I go to a lot so you so you're

1289
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:07,760
Speaker 3: thinking you're talking to you're thinking that the Bills have

1290
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:10,919
Speaker 3: been just like the Sabers.

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01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:13,880
Speaker 19: No, no, not at all, the exact opposite. And that

1292
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:20,640
Speaker 19: was because you know we got Josh. No, no, completely mistake. No,

1293
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:22,559
Speaker 19: I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying that

1294
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:24,920
Speaker 19: Terry's been sewing up and you know, I.

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01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:29,200
Speaker 3: Just well, let me just say this. I think two different.

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Speaker 19: Great luck that we came by Josh Allen, and it

1297
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:35,880
Speaker 19: kills me that Brandon Bean. You expect us to believe

1298
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:38,000
Speaker 19: Brandon Bean fired the guy who brought him in here.

1299
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 19: That came from Terry, and I'm shocked at Brandon's still here.

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01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 19: I mean, if you're going to clean house, clean house,

1301
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 19: all right, you know it wasn't being that, you know, Yeah,

1302
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:49,680
Speaker 19: I hear you.

1303
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:51,599
Speaker 2: We got to move along with a lot of people waiting.

1304
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:53,639
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1305
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 2: I mean in defense of Brandon Bean, the way I

1306
01:16:56,320 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 2: understood it, the Bills were the highest bidder for Jalen Waddle.

1307
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:05,559
Speaker 2: They presented the best offer to the Dolphins, and the

1308
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:10,880
Speaker 2: Dolphins tried to squeeze him for more, and clearly the

1309
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 2: value in Brandon Bean's mind was out of whack. And

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01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 2: that's a division opponent. You're not just giving them the

1311
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 2: most compensation of anybody competing for the acquisition of Jalen Waddle.

1312
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 2: They wanted more than that. And that's a team you

1313
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 2: got to play twice a year. So he's not going

1314
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:32,800
Speaker 2: to make a deal and get fleeced. So and he

1315
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 2: never has.

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01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's his That's not the only trade he

1317
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 3: was trying to work either. I mean there were other

1318
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:42,599
Speaker 3: reports about all the other stuff that he was trying

1319
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:44,800
Speaker 3: to do, so he was making a legit effort to

1320
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 3: get it done. I don't know. I am not on board. Certainly,

1321
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:55,720
Speaker 3: better player, I've always said it. Better players make you better, right,

1322
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 3: Great players make you play better. So if you're going

1323
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:01,640
Speaker 3: to get better players, I'm all for it. But the

1324
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 3: players they had on this roster, I liked it, certainly.

1325
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 3: The two injuries last week didn't help the Tyrrell Shavers

1326
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 3: and Gabe Davis thing. And I'm not saying those guys

1327
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:18,120
Speaker 3: are t Higgins and Jamar Chase, but I thought the

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01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 3: way they called their plays, the way they deployed their players,

1329
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 3: the way they used their offense, the way they called

1330
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:26,800
Speaker 3: offensive plays. It's hard for me, and I get it,

1331
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:29,599
Speaker 3: Josh is the bigger racer, but the way it looked

1332
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:33,840
Speaker 3: to me, this team was like they have been for

1333
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:35,640
Speaker 3: the last four or five years, good enough to go

1334
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:38,559
Speaker 3: to and win it all, and they didn't. So you

1335
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 3: can say what you want about the way you didn't

1336
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 3: have your favorite receiver, or you didn't like the fantasy

1337
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 3: players on the Bills roster, or for whatever reason you

1338
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 3: don't like the roster. It felt like to me in

1339
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 3: just about every game we went into, the Bills were

1340
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 3: the better team. And Sean McDermott deserves a lot of

1341
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:04,760
Speaker 3: praise for that, so does Brandon. That's that's just the

1342
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 3: way it is. You can pick and parse out who

1343
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 3: you want to blame more for. And this, you know,

1344
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:11,800
Speaker 3: you could didn't have your favorite wide receiver on the team,

1345
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 3: or a big time wide receiver, and you've never seen

1346
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:17,720
Speaker 3: a team win the Super Bowl without it, so you

1347
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:25,760
Speaker 3: think that was mc bean's fault. Okay, I just I

1348
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:28,040
Speaker 3: just feel like they had the horses there to do it.

1349
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:30,719
Speaker 3: And you know, even though they had no Pro Bowlers,

1350
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 3: no all pros, so one of them.

1351
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:35,759
Speaker 2: Is your kick return.

1352
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 3: I feel like, yes, this team is constructed different, but

1353
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 3: it's got a different quarterback than everybody else, and it's

1354
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:50,320
Speaker 3: got a running game that's better than everybody else. And

1355
01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:53,000
Speaker 3: you you look different than everybody else for that reason.

1356
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:58,799
Speaker 3: But yeah, if you're going to get better, get better players, okay,

1357
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 3: but you got to let some of them, the guys

1358
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:02,639
Speaker 3: on your team, you got to let some of them

1359
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 3: go that in that case as well, and you got

1360
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 3: to fit them under the cap. So good good luck

1361
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 3: with that. I just have a hard time thinking they

1362
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 3: need to throw the entire machine into the garbage and

1363
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 3: start from scratch.

1364
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 2: Let's go to Nick in Rochester next.

1365
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 20: What's up, Nick, Hey, thanks for the call. I kind

1366
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:26,920
Speaker 20: of want to piggyback off what you guys are talking

1367
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:30,000
Speaker 20: about with Brandon Bean, But I mean, I feel like

1368
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:32,800
Speaker 20: he gives all these contracts out to these players and

1369
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 20: puts us in cap strengths every year, and then he

1370
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:37,800
Speaker 20: always talks in his interviews about, you know, we got

1371
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:40,000
Speaker 20: to live within the calf. Well, you're the reason that

1372
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:42,479
Speaker 20: we're in the cap situation. Where in every single year,

1373
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:44,679
Speaker 20: maybe we could go out and get some players once

1374
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 20: in a while if we weren't given Josh Palmer twelve

1375
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 20: million dollars a year, who is what a third third

1376
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:53,519
Speaker 20: whiteout option? And then you have Curtis Samuel at eight million.

1377
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 20: He gave Von Millener all that money when he was

1378
01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:57,880
Speaker 20: only going to be good for maybe a year or two.

1379
01:20:58,360 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 20: I get you were trying to go all in at

1380
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:03,000
Speaker 20: that point, but I just don't understand some of his signings.

1381
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:07,120
Speaker 20: Dawson Knox is making fifteen million dollars a year guaranteed

1382
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:09,880
Speaker 20: for what. Then you draft another tight end in the

1383
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:13,960
Speaker 20: first round and Ken kaid I just you give out

1384
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 20: the contract to Rousseau, who I don't think warrants that contract.

1385
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:20,400
Speaker 20: He's too hit or miss. Terrell Bernard the same thing.

1386
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:23,120
Speaker 20: I just feel like Bean just gives out all this

1387
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 20: money and then complains, well not complains, but it's like, oh,

1388
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 20: you know we're strapped for the cat. Well, yeah, because

1389
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:32,880
Speaker 20: you're the one doing it. I just kind of wanted

1390
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:36,000
Speaker 20: to get your opinion on how you feel that Bean

1391
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:39,240
Speaker 20: does as a GM. I guess in recent years. I

1392
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 20: get that we make it to the playoffs every year.

1393
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:44,559
Speaker 20: But I think McDermott coached a hell of a year

1394
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 20: considering what he was dealing with. And I'm not even

1395
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 20: a big McDermott guy, but I think this one falls

1396
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 20: on Bean. Thank you for the call.

1397
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:55,680
Speaker 2: You bet sure thing, Nick. Look, I think the von

1398
01:21:55,800 --> 01:22:00,439
Speaker 2: Miller thing. I thought it was a bold move and

1399
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 2: through the first twelve games it was working. He had

1400
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:08,799
Speaker 2: eight sacks. Then he tears his acl like you can't.

1401
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:11,800
Speaker 2: You can't knock a general manager or personnel man for that.

1402
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:16,639
Speaker 2: It's bad luck. And he wasn't right after that ever. Again,

1403
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:21,240
Speaker 2: So you got twelve games for a major investment that

1404
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:24,880
Speaker 2: could have potentially put you over the top. It's unfortunate.

1405
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:28,880
Speaker 2: Not every move is gonna work, and sometimes bad luck

1406
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:30,920
Speaker 2: is what's going to get you killed. And on that

1407
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 2: deal it did, it's bad luck. Wasn't a bad move,

1408
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:36,000
Speaker 2: just didn't pan out.

1409
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:42,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you do want your team to spend to

1410
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:45,000
Speaker 3: the cap every year, and you know you want to

1411
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 3: get but you got to get value for it. And

1412
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:49,920
Speaker 3: I get it too that you get guys that you

1413
01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:54,680
Speaker 3: know that are making seven or you know, eight figures,

1414
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 3: ten eleven million bucks and aren't stars.

1415
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Greg Russou's contract is very palatable for the

1416
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 2: player that he is. What is he like the twenty

1417
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:08,559
Speaker 2: ninth highest paid defensive end. I mean, I think that's

1418
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:09,519
Speaker 2: in line with who he is.

1419
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 3: And they have lett players go as well. Tredevious White,

1420
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:15,080
Speaker 3: they let him walk out the door. They let Tremaine

1421
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 3: Edmonds walk out the door. They let guys like that

1422
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 3: walk out the door, and those players signed pretty lucrative

1423
01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:23,759
Speaker 3: contracts elsewhere. Tremaine Edmonds was on television last night playing

1424
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 3: for the Bears at fifteen million bucks a year. I just, yeah,

1425
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:37,600
Speaker 3: you're always you want your for me. I want my

1426
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:40,600
Speaker 3: team to be spending. Now. You can say they're not

1427
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 3: picking the right guys to spend on.

1428
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 2: But it's not a perfect No, it's not a perfect exercise.

1429
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:50,799
Speaker 2: I mean, just like the draft is an inexact science.

1430
01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:53,880
Speaker 2: Terrell Bernard too is free agents. Terrell Bernard's cap it's

1431
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:59,799
Speaker 2: five million bucks. I mean, come on, I mean, James

1432
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:02,960
Speaker 2: is make his cap hit is six million bucks just

1433
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:06,840
Speaker 2: under those are and it sounds like a lot of money.

1434
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:11,000
Speaker 3: I get it. It's not no, I don't know. I

1435
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:13,920
Speaker 3: you know, Matt Mulone's his contract is up. Joey Bosa,

1436
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:16,800
Speaker 3: he hits the road, he's gone. Connor McGovern's contract is up,

1437
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:20,479
Speaker 3: Dake one Jones contract is up. Aj At Panessa is done.

1438
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:23,759
Speaker 3: Larry Ogunjobi was a one year deal, he's done, David

1439
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:28,120
Speaker 3: Edwards is done. All these You're getting all this money

1440
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 3: back on and they're still gonna be over because Josh

1441
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:32,200
Speaker 3: his cap hit this year is going to be fifty

1442
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 3: six million bucks. Well, and they're what eleven players over

1443
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:40,559
Speaker 3: eleven hundred, eleven million dollars over eleven twelve million dollars over.

1444
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 3: You can get that done. You can get under the

1445
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 3: cap by forty million dollars by giving Josh his money.

1446
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:51,560
Speaker 2: Or you get out from under the Curtis Samuel contract

1447
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:54,760
Speaker 2: right something like that. So there's I mean, there are

1448
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:55,759
Speaker 2: maneuvers to be made.

1449
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 3: This isn't even a cartwheel to get under the cap

1450
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 3: under these circumstances.

1451
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 2: We got to take a break here. More of your

1452
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 2: phone calls when we get back. Will lead off with

1453
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 2: Jim and Hamburg when we return here on One Bill's Live.

1454
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:22,800
Speaker 18: Stay with us.

1455
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:26,599
Speaker 2: Back here on One Bill's Live, Chris Brown, Steve Tasker

1456
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:28,519
Speaker 2: with you and taking your phone calls at eight oh

1457
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:31,120
Speaker 2: three oh five point fifty on a day where, to

1458
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:33,880
Speaker 2: the surprise of many, head coach Sean McDermott was fired

1459
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:37,839
Speaker 2: as head coach of the Bills. So taking your reaction

1460
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:40,559
Speaker 2: on the phone lines today, and we lead off as

1461
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:42,120
Speaker 2: promised with Jim in Hamburg.

1462
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:46,320
Speaker 21: What's up, Jim, gentlemen, the Buffalo Bills. They definitely didn't

1463
01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 21: hesitate on this one, did they, right, Nope, not at all.

1464
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:53,040
Speaker 21: So look, I want to go with a different spin

1465
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:56,160
Speaker 21: on this right here. You know, Sean mcdarnot fifty one

1466
01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:59,400
Speaker 21: years old, he's out, he's gone. Brandon Bean forty nine

1467
01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:02,799
Speaker 21: years old, he now runs the entire football operation, president

1468
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:07,439
Speaker 21: and GM. As we've learned, that's a massive restreat reset

1469
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:11,160
Speaker 21: with structure though with vision. Okay, Now, Joe Brady thirty

1470
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:13,800
Speaker 21: six years old, college Wi William and married. That's a

1471
01:26:13,960 --> 01:26:16,920
Speaker 21: very particular culture, a culture rooted in the same culture

1472
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:20,479
Speaker 21: that mcdermnah comes from. Brady's already interviewing, he's out there,

1473
01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:22,400
Speaker 21: he's talking to Baltimore, he's doing his things. He's going

1474
01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:24,320
Speaker 21: to land on his feet and have a great future.

1475
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:27,360
Speaker 21: And it's not with us. The smartest move here in

1476
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:31,000
Speaker 21: Buffalo go with someone strong like Marcus Freeman from Notre Dame.

1477
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:34,040
Speaker 21: He could walk in here with that defensive background, and

1478
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:36,160
Speaker 21: he couldn't be only coming to the table by himself.

1479
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:38,840
Speaker 21: He could be coming in with someone very strong like

1480
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:43,360
Speaker 21: Mike Denbrock sixty one years old, his time in Cincinnati LSU.

1481
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 21: He could be running things with this offense and taking

1482
01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:48,599
Speaker 21: Allen and modeling to a totally different level. And if

1483
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:51,800
Speaker 21: you want to think forward to power positivity here right

1484
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:55,800
Speaker 21: Kansas City is completely in shambles. They're in shambles, gentlemen.

1485
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:57,559
Speaker 21: They don't even know how to do it themselves. They're

1486
01:26:57,560 --> 01:26:59,679
Speaker 21: going to tear down that building. They're trying to figure

1487
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:03,320
Speaker 21: them soups out. You get Steve Spagnolio, all right, you

1488
01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 21: bring him over here, run that defense.

1489
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:05,400
Speaker 7: I don't know.

1490
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:08,160
Speaker 21: I'm going pie in the sky. I'm leaning into this

1491
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:11,040
Speaker 21: Brandon Bean. He's got a beautiful reset. We're going to

1492
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:14,479
Speaker 21: do great things. And I look forward to seeing the

1493
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:15,800
Speaker 21: two of you on TV a little bit more. I

1494
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 21: like these spiling faces. You have all the best giftbook.

1495
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:21,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks, Jim, you are a little pie in the sky.

1496
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 2: Marcus Freeman has already committed to returning to Notre Dame,

1497
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:27,280
Speaker 2: so he's off the list, so I don't think he's

1498
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 2: a consideration at all, because the Giants were poking around

1499
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:32,439
Speaker 2: and then Notre Dame promptly signed him to a big,

1500
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:35,560
Speaker 2: fat contract extension and he verbally said he's committed to

1501
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:40,759
Speaker 2: Notre Dame going forward, So you can forget that idea. Yeah,

1502
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:42,720
Speaker 2: I mean the Bills could. Bill's got to take a

1503
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:45,759
Speaker 2: big swing here, and they got to hit a home run.

1504
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:49,320
Speaker 2: I think they know that because you know Josh is

1505
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:52,719
Speaker 2: at he's headed to the back nine of his NFL career.

1506
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:55,920
Speaker 2: I mean, he's nine years in. He's probably only playing

1507
01:27:56,040 --> 01:28:00,360
Speaker 2: nine more at best. So yeah, they got to they

1508
01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:01,040
Speaker 2: got to nail it.

1509
01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:04,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can throw around names too, and it'll,

1510
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:07,240
Speaker 3: Like I said, we're waiting for to see who actually

1511
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:10,960
Speaker 3: is asked to interview. Steve Spagnolo is a guy who

1512
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:13,920
Speaker 3: is giving the Bills problems in the playoffs. Right, he's

1513
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:16,599
Speaker 3: a really good defensive coordinator who knows if he's even

1514
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 3: available or would want to leave. But all those names

1515
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:25,920
Speaker 3: go into the pool, right, Jim, you're a little bit

1516
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:28,240
Speaker 3: ahead probably of the average fan. We're still a little

1517
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:29,040
Speaker 3: bit reeling here.

1518
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:30,480
Speaker 2: They're still processing.

1519
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:35,840
Speaker 3: I'm sure that most Bills fans will get excited about

1520
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:37,080
Speaker 3: the new guy when they hear who it is or

1521
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:40,200
Speaker 3: who it could be, and they'll start researching the finalists

1522
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 3: and all of that kind of stuff, and they'll start

1523
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:45,400
Speaker 3: getting excited about what those guys could bring to the Bills.

1524
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:48,040
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people aren't as far out

1525
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:50,439
Speaker 3: there as you are, but bless your heart, you are

1526
01:28:50,479 --> 01:28:52,519
Speaker 3: and you're excited about It's.

1527
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:54,599
Speaker 2: So good for you to Robin Hamburg.

1528
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 18: Next.

1529
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:55,519
Speaker 2: What's up, Rob?

1530
01:28:56,680 --> 01:28:57,280
Speaker 20: How you doing?

1531
01:28:58,479 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 22: You know, I just want to say I want to

1532
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:04,599
Speaker 22: thanks Sean McDermott for everything he's done. You know, I'm

1533
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:07,240
Speaker 22: just I was kind of set back, probably like everybody else.

1534
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:11,439
Speaker 22: I just I just wanted to congratulate him on his

1535
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:14,680
Speaker 22: time here in Buffalo, because honestly, he took you know,

1536
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:17,080
Speaker 22: I don't want to say what we don't have the

1537
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:20,439
Speaker 22: greatest players, but we don't have the best of the best,

1538
01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:24,200
Speaker 22: right and he took a lot of these players and

1539
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:28,000
Speaker 22: made them into great players. And it's just it's just

1540
01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:31,600
Speaker 22: kind of confusing as a fan. Right of it's like,

1541
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:34,160
Speaker 22: okay to get rid of McDermott. I get it, because

1542
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:39,519
Speaker 22: he wasn't getting over the hill, but why keep being

1543
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:43,800
Speaker 22: Bean's the one that's not bringing the talent in. You know,

1544
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:46,439
Speaker 22: I get he brought Josh, he brought James Cook, he

1545
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:49,559
Speaker 22: brought a Bishop, But then it's like we don't have

1546
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:53,639
Speaker 22: anybody that's a pure pass rusher. You know, that's something

1547
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:56,120
Speaker 22: that we're missing. And you know, I hate to beat

1548
01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:58,799
Speaker 22: you know, dead horse, but you know, the wide receiver

1549
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:01,280
Speaker 22: thing was huge. G that we have great.

1550
01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 23: Two tight ends.

1551
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:06,240
Speaker 22: We got shakier Brady does. I think he's a great

1552
01:30:06,240 --> 01:30:10,040
Speaker 22: offensive coach. He did great with who he had, but

1553
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:13,000
Speaker 22: you know, part of the problem, you know with the

1554
01:30:13,160 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 22: last game with Josh, you know, was the turnovers. But

1555
01:30:16,240 --> 01:30:21,719
Speaker 22: he's trying to create more plays and if to take

1556
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:24,599
Speaker 22: a little bit off his shoulders, they got to bring

1557
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:27,679
Speaker 22: they got to bring somebody good in as a wide receiver.

1558
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:31,559
Speaker 22: And I just I'm very questionable about being in his

1559
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 22: future here and what it's going to bring. But I

1560
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:38,120
Speaker 22: just looking at all the head coaches that are out there,

1561
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:41,120
Speaker 22: it's kind of like it's kind of dim right now.

1562
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:43,840
Speaker 22: But I hope we do the right thing and get

1563
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:47,479
Speaker 22: somebody great. But thank you for having me on you guys,

1564
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:48,080
Speaker 22: have a good day.

1565
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:52,479
Speaker 2: I think Rob is kind of the app to the

1566
01:30:52,520 --> 01:30:55,400
Speaker 2: description of where fans are at right now, thankful for

1567
01:30:55,479 --> 01:31:00,600
Speaker 2: what McDermott did, a little surprised about today's happenings and

1568
01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:02,040
Speaker 2: trying to process it before.

1569
01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:04,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, they don't they're not. Yeah, a lot of

1570
01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:07,080
Speaker 3: Bills fans are not totally convinced it was McDermott that

1571
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:09,200
Speaker 3: should have gone. They think it's Brandon. But I think that,

1572
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:16,960
Speaker 3: you know, they're hopeful that the right decision was made.

1573
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:20,160
Speaker 3: We don't know the dynamics or the inner workings of

1574
01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:23,320
Speaker 3: what happens up above us in this organization or anything

1575
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:27,599
Speaker 3: like that. And uh, we're kind of with the fans

1576
01:31:27,640 --> 01:31:31,479
Speaker 3: on this. You think that decisions are made for good

1577
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:34,639
Speaker 3: reasons and they're going to solve them with some logic

1578
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:38,759
Speaker 3: and reason as well. There's some quality candidates out there. Remember,

1579
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:41,599
Speaker 3: we didn't know anything about Sean McDermott when he was hired.

1580
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:43,679
Speaker 3: I mean, we didn't know anything about him, right.

1581
01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:45,160
Speaker 9: And.

1582
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:50,479
Speaker 3: Got to go into this with an open mind as well.

1583
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:53,920
Speaker 3: It's it's the start of you know that word that

1584
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:55,880
Speaker 3: that McDermott used so much. It's the start of the

1585
01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:57,519
Speaker 3: process and we're gonna have to hang in there with it.

1586
01:31:58,160 --> 01:32:00,000
Speaker 2: Break time for us here when we come back out,

1587
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:02,120
Speaker 2: our number three will begin with my broadcast partner on

1588
01:32:02,120 --> 01:32:06,040
Speaker 2: the Bills Radio Network, Color analyst Eric Wood joins us.

1589
01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:09,040
Speaker 2: We'll have his thoughts on the game, but also on

1590
01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:13,120
Speaker 2: today's happenings, the firing of head coach Sean McDermott. That's

1591
01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:14,400
Speaker 2: next here on One Bill's Live.

1592
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:51,320
Speaker 1: This One Bill's Live, presented by Calida Health.

1593
01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:53,479
Speaker 2: All right, now our number three here in a Buffalo

1594
01:32:53,479 --> 01:32:57,200
Speaker 2: Football Monday, and please to be joined by my broadcast

1595
01:32:57,200 --> 01:32:59,639
Speaker 2: partner on the Bills Radio Network, Color analyst Eric Would

1596
01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:02,640
Speaker 2: also the host of the Centered on Buffalo podcast, and

1597
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:06,360
Speaker 2: Eric Woods appearance is presented by Campbell's Chunky Soup. Big

1598
01:33:06,439 --> 01:33:10,120
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1599
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Speaker 2: Beefy Max Dock up for game day now at your

1601
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Speaker 2: local Wegman's Chunky Soup that eats like a meal. Okay, Eric,

1602
01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:24,160
Speaker 2: So the news comes down this morning, Terry Pigoula issues

1603
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:28,240
Speaker 2: a statement. Brandon Bean ultimately is promoted to President of

1604
01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:31,400
Speaker 2: Football Operations and general manager, and he's going to lead

1605
01:33:31,439 --> 01:33:35,080
Speaker 2: the search for a new head coach with assistants from

1606
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:40,839
Speaker 2: President of Business Operations Pete Gwelly. Just your immediate reaction

1607
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:43,759
Speaker 2: when you saw what went down go down this morning?

1608
01:33:45,160 --> 01:33:47,720
Speaker 15: Yeah, I was shocked. I was honestly shocked by it

1609
01:33:48,120 --> 01:33:51,080
Speaker 15: when I saw it come down. And you know, Sean

1610
01:33:51,280 --> 01:33:53,360
Speaker 15: is an incredible leader and has been for a long

1611
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:57,000
Speaker 15: time in this organization. And you know, you're you're incredibly

1612
01:33:57,080 --> 01:34:00,880
Speaker 15: grateful as a player to have played him, and you

1613
01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:04,040
Speaker 15: become a better player, you become a better person, and

1614
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:07,000
Speaker 15: you know, the impact that he had on this city

1615
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:11,040
Speaker 15: and organization over nine years is absolutely incredible. Takes over

1616
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:14,679
Speaker 15: in twenty seventeen a team that most thought were tanking

1617
01:34:14,760 --> 01:34:17,880
Speaker 15: and breaks the longest playoffs drout and all of pro

1618
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:21,120
Speaker 15: sports has the twenty eighteen year where dealing with all

1619
01:34:21,160 --> 01:34:24,240
Speaker 15: the dead cap money and then goes on an incredible run,

1620
01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:27,320
Speaker 15: an incredible run where I know, none of the seasons

1621
01:34:27,439 --> 01:34:32,200
Speaker 15: ended in a Super Bowl, but sustained incredible success within

1622
01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:35,519
Speaker 15: this organization through his tenures. So you know, when Bill's

1623
01:34:35,560 --> 01:34:38,760
Speaker 15: fans look back on the Sean McDermott led Bills, there's

1624
01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:42,120
Speaker 15: going to be a lot of great memories. And you know, ultimately,

1625
01:34:42,280 --> 01:34:45,719
Speaker 15: the decision comes down to, you know, do you feel

1626
01:34:45,720 --> 01:34:47,760
Speaker 15: like you're kind of spinning your wheels? Can we get

1627
01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:50,000
Speaker 15: over the hump? And you know, people had to make

1628
01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:53,000
Speaker 15: a very difficult decision here, and I know it was

1629
01:34:53,160 --> 01:34:55,760
Speaker 15: tough to make this decision, but you ultimately make a

1630
01:34:55,760 --> 01:34:58,280
Speaker 15: decision to try and get over the hump because you

1631
01:34:58,320 --> 01:35:04,479
Speaker 15: had another season in this past Saturday in another disappointing fashion.

1632
01:35:04,760 --> 01:35:08,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, and certainly this wasn't This does not smell to

1633
01:35:08,360 --> 01:35:14,600
Speaker 3: me like a reaction to one loss, as excruciating as

1634
01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:16,600
Speaker 3: it was. I think it's more of a reaction to

1635
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:23,439
Speaker 3: a characteristic loss. They've lost games like this time and

1636
01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:26,639
Speaker 3: time again in the playoffs to end their season, and

1637
01:35:27,040 --> 01:35:31,439
Speaker 3: it strikes me that that's kind of what overrides all

1638
01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:34,040
Speaker 3: of this, is that once they get on the field,

1639
01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:37,600
Speaker 3: even though they have played great in the playoffs, and

1640
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:40,960
Speaker 3: then yesterday on Saturday, they didn't play so good, but

1641
01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:44,600
Speaker 3: it seemed like that same characteristic kind of loss that

1642
01:35:45,200 --> 01:35:47,320
Speaker 3: is like leaves you like, go on, how did we

1643
01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:48,479
Speaker 3: possibly lose that game?

1644
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:55,640
Speaker 15: Is the character characteristic just gut wrenching. I mean, I

1645
01:35:55,680 --> 01:35:58,360
Speaker 15: feel like I've left each season that have been on

1646
01:35:58,439 --> 01:36:01,600
Speaker 15: the radio call just gut after the game, and you

1647
01:36:01,720 --> 01:36:04,479
Speaker 15: just look back at missed opportunities. And I guess that's

1648
01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:07,840
Speaker 15: the case for any team when you get eliminated in

1649
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:09,960
Speaker 15: the playoffs. You point at the things that you could

1650
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:13,000
Speaker 15: have done differently, or what if this would have happened instead,

1651
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:16,160
Speaker 15: or what if this call was different? And you know,

1652
01:36:16,200 --> 01:36:19,519
Speaker 15: you can always say, you know, NFL games generally come

1653
01:36:19,560 --> 01:36:21,759
Speaker 15: down to five or six plays that decide them, and

1654
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:25,000
Speaker 15: in these elimination games, they just simply haven't gone our way.

1655
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:27,120
Speaker 15: Whether it's been a fifty to fifty call that doesn't

1656
01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:29,599
Speaker 15: go our way, or a bounce of a football or

1657
01:36:29,720 --> 01:36:33,439
Speaker 15: whatever it may be. It's just been these gut wrenching

1658
01:36:33,560 --> 01:36:35,760
Speaker 15: losses at the end of the season. And this one

1659
01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:39,000
Speaker 15: ranks right up there. And you know, the Bills have

1660
01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:41,559
Speaker 15: five turnovers in the game, they only force one. You

1661
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:46,120
Speaker 15: lose the turnover by four, you realistically have close to

1662
01:36:46,160 --> 01:36:48,880
Speaker 15: a zero percent chance of losing of winning the game.

1663
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:52,760
Speaker 15: And they show incredible heart and resiliency that we've seen

1664
01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:54,960
Speaker 15: all season long from this team, and they claw all

1665
01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:57,720
Speaker 15: the way back and take it to overtime and just

1666
01:36:57,760 --> 01:37:01,240
Speaker 15: come up short. And so you know, to your point,

1667
01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:05,200
Speaker 15: the characteristic of these losses, I would imagine has to

1668
01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:08,000
Speaker 15: do with Sean no longer being our head coach.

1669
01:37:09,200 --> 01:37:12,920
Speaker 2: We saw the statement that Bill's owner Terry Pegoula released

1670
01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:17,160
Speaker 2: earlier today, Eric, and I want to just get your

1671
01:37:17,200 --> 01:37:21,920
Speaker 2: take on this. Pagoula in the first paragraph says, I

1672
01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:24,320
Speaker 2: feel we are in need of a new structure within

1673
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:28,360
Speaker 2: our leadership to give this organization the best opportunity to

1674
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:31,840
Speaker 2: take our team to the next level. Brandon Bean was

1675
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:36,680
Speaker 2: hired shortly after Sean McDermott because those two men had

1676
01:37:36,720 --> 01:37:39,920
Speaker 2: worked together before were deemed to be in lockstep in

1677
01:37:40,040 --> 01:37:42,760
Speaker 2: terms of their philosophy on growing this team into a

1678
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:47,720
Speaker 2: perennial contender. As we understand it, both reported directly to

1679
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:51,920
Speaker 2: Terry it being in need of a new structure within

1680
01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:55,200
Speaker 2: our leadership to give the organization the best opportunity to

1681
01:37:55,240 --> 01:37:57,200
Speaker 2: take the team to the next level. What does that

1682
01:37:57,280 --> 01:38:01,000
Speaker 2: signal to you in light of the promotion to Brandon Bean.

1683
01:38:02,520 --> 01:38:06,200
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean, without getting any additional clarity on that,

1684
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:09,000
Speaker 15: and that's that's a line that I read a few

1685
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:12,519
Speaker 15: times today as I saw that statement released. What it

1686
01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:15,000
Speaker 15: signaled to me is that we're putting a lot of

1687
01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:18,160
Speaker 15: faith and trust in Brandon Bean here now, and whatever

1688
01:38:18,280 --> 01:38:21,400
Speaker 15: coach is hired will answer to Brandon. He will give

1689
01:38:21,439 --> 01:38:25,120
Speaker 15: the direction of you know, whether it's philosophy or scheme

1690
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:28,640
Speaker 15: and how we're going to draft specifically to that, and

1691
01:38:29,160 --> 01:38:31,960
Speaker 15: you know, let Brandon Bean run it from the top down.

1692
01:38:32,240 --> 01:38:36,439
Speaker 15: It won't necessarily be you know, two separate, you know,

1693
01:38:36,600 --> 01:38:40,439
Speaker 15: equal forces at the top. Directly under Terry, it'll be

1694
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:44,000
Speaker 15: you know, the Pagulas. Then it'll be Brandon Bean on

1695
01:38:44,040 --> 01:38:46,719
Speaker 15: the football side of things, and then the head coach.

1696
01:38:46,920 --> 01:38:49,559
Speaker 15: And you know, I think that's healthy to have a

1697
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:53,120
Speaker 15: setup like that. It wasn't necessarily the structure that we

1698
01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:56,240
Speaker 15: had in place. And so, you know, when your season

1699
01:38:56,640 --> 01:38:59,519
Speaker 15: consistently ends in the fashion that the Bills has with

1700
01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:02,200
Speaker 15: you know, games where you feel like either we were

1701
01:39:02,200 --> 01:39:06,080
Speaker 15: the better team or you know you're so close, you

1702
01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:08,240
Speaker 15: shake things up and see if you can get over

1703
01:39:08,280 --> 01:39:10,760
Speaker 15: the hump, and you know, you hope you have eight

1704
01:39:10,760 --> 01:39:13,360
Speaker 15: to ten years of Josh Allen still is your quarterback,

1705
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:16,240
Speaker 15: and you know, it's one of those deals where you

1706
01:39:16,280 --> 01:39:19,040
Speaker 15: don't want to continue to spin your wheels if that's

1707
01:39:19,080 --> 01:39:23,240
Speaker 15: how you feel, and waste any of those years moving forward.

1708
01:39:23,320 --> 01:39:26,320
Speaker 15: And that's not necessarily my opinion. I'm just saying that's

1709
01:39:26,360 --> 01:39:29,040
Speaker 15: my perception of the situation currently.

1710
01:39:29,200 --> 01:39:32,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, And with that in mind, knowing that Brandon Bean

1711
01:39:32,479 --> 01:39:35,320
Speaker 2: comes out of this development with a promotion and clear

1712
01:39:35,400 --> 01:39:42,960
Speaker 2: control of the football side, unilaterally, do you anticipate the

1713
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:47,120
Speaker 2: coaching candidate pool to be more of the younger variety

1714
01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:50,479
Speaker 2: rather than a veteran coach with a lot of skins

1715
01:39:50,520 --> 01:39:53,599
Speaker 2: on the wall that might want that kind of personnel control.

1716
01:39:53,680 --> 01:39:57,000
Speaker 2: But clearly, at least from the surface, does not appear

1717
01:39:57,040 --> 01:39:59,760
Speaker 2: that he would have that here. You could you see

1718
01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:03,800
Speaker 2: them leaning more towards younger coaching candidates that are more

1719
01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:08,160
Speaker 2: focused on doing the head coaching job rather than making

1720
01:40:08,200 --> 01:40:09,400
Speaker 2: personnel decisions.

1721
01:40:10,920 --> 01:40:12,960
Speaker 15: Yeah, I certainly think that could be the case. And

1722
01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:15,639
Speaker 15: then it could be the case where they're just putting

1723
01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:17,559
Speaker 15: this in place now. So if you go out and

1724
01:40:17,640 --> 01:40:23,559
Speaker 15: interview a Harball, a Belichick, a Gruden, just the name

1725
01:40:23,680 --> 01:40:26,519
Speaker 15: names of you know, established coaches that would potentially want

1726
01:40:26,720 --> 01:40:29,680
Speaker 15: a large say in the personnel as well, you're saying, hey, no,

1727
01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:31,960
Speaker 15: we have our guy in Brandon Bean, who's going to

1728
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:35,120
Speaker 15: handle that for you. You are in charge of coaching the

1729
01:40:35,240 --> 01:40:38,559
Speaker 15: roster that he puts in place, and look, any head

1730
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:40,360
Speaker 15: coach and GM are gonna have to work hand in

1731
01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:43,519
Speaker 15: hand through so many things. And it's the coaching staff

1732
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:45,960
Speaker 15: and the GM when it's you know, evaluating players in

1733
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:48,639
Speaker 15: the draft and everything that goes into bringing free agents.

1734
01:40:48,640 --> 01:40:52,320
Speaker 15: It's a collaborative effort. But you're essentially saying, you know,

1735
01:40:52,479 --> 01:40:55,600
Speaker 15: no one's coming in here to take over full control

1736
01:40:55,960 --> 01:41:00,240
Speaker 15: of the organization, and you know that's generally that's that's

1737
01:41:00,280 --> 01:41:04,440
Speaker 15: going to be your healthiest way of leading an organization.

1738
01:41:04,520 --> 01:41:08,040
Speaker 15: I mean, the head coach has so many responsibilities, you know,

1739
01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:10,800
Speaker 15: and Bill Belichick gets a lot of credit for all

1740
01:41:10,840 --> 01:41:15,320
Speaker 15: those Super Bowls, and rightfully so, but their drafts weren't stellar.

1741
01:41:16,280 --> 01:41:19,439
Speaker 15: You know, they didn't have the best drafts a year

1742
01:41:19,479 --> 01:41:21,120
Speaker 15: over year, and I think a big part of that

1743
01:41:21,240 --> 01:41:23,160
Speaker 15: is because Bill Belichick just has so much on his

1744
01:41:23,240 --> 01:41:26,960
Speaker 15: plate to then handle all of that responsibility too. It

1745
01:41:27,080 --> 01:41:28,960
Speaker 15: just to me it seems like it'd be too much

1746
01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:30,200
Speaker 15: to take on for one person.

1747
01:41:30,760 --> 01:41:33,240
Speaker 3: Is there a chance too, and this has been floated

1748
01:41:33,240 --> 01:41:36,840
Speaker 3: out there as well. I mean, they elevated Brandon being

1749
01:41:36,880 --> 01:41:39,519
Speaker 3: to the president of Football Operations and GM. Is there

1750
01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:42,080
Speaker 3: a possibility that he brings in a head coaching candidate

1751
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:44,760
Speaker 3: to say, who do you want is GM and then

1752
01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:47,000
Speaker 3: hire that guy and then Brandon just stays on as

1753
01:41:47,040 --> 01:41:50,880
Speaker 3: president and they hire a second a GM to do

1754
01:41:51,120 --> 01:41:56,840
Speaker 3: you know, because it's two jobs, Is that a possibility or.

1755
01:41:58,479 --> 01:42:00,800
Speaker 15: I think it could be. I mean, I'm not ruling

1756
01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:04,800
Speaker 15: out anything at this point. I think it essentially could

1757
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:07,640
Speaker 15: be a possibility to where you know, Brandon has all

1758
01:42:07,680 --> 01:42:10,880
Speaker 15: of that experience running you know, the front office, and

1759
01:42:10,920 --> 01:42:13,719
Speaker 15: then he kind of runs it from a different role

1760
01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:16,600
Speaker 15: where you have a GM under him, and you know,

1761
01:42:16,640 --> 01:42:20,200
Speaker 15: whether that's somebody from within like a Terrence Gray, or

1762
01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:23,120
Speaker 15: whether that's bringing in somebody that has a good relationship

1763
01:42:23,160 --> 01:42:25,240
Speaker 15: with head coach. I don't think you can rule out

1764
01:42:25,320 --> 01:42:28,000
Speaker 15: anything right now. You know, you go out and hire

1765
01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:32,080
Speaker 15: a younger coordinator type and that's a first time head coach.

1766
01:42:32,640 --> 01:42:35,240
Speaker 15: You know, it's probably going to be a situation where

1767
01:42:35,240 --> 01:42:37,400
Speaker 15: they come in and the answer to being and the

1768
01:42:37,479 --> 01:42:40,640
Speaker 15: answer to the Pagoulas and they fall in line. You

1769
01:42:40,680 --> 01:42:43,040
Speaker 15: go out and take a swing on a very notable

1770
01:42:43,160 --> 01:42:45,360
Speaker 15: name that that does want to bring in somebody, and

1771
01:42:45,360 --> 01:42:48,600
Speaker 15: you have to respect that. Then it certainly could be

1772
01:42:48,680 --> 01:42:49,360
Speaker 15: a possibility.

1773
01:42:50,240 --> 01:42:54,000
Speaker 2: Do you see any way that because you're you know,

1774
01:42:54,040 --> 01:42:57,040
Speaker 2: you're hearing from Terry Pagoula in his statement that he

1775
01:42:57,080 --> 01:43:01,120
Speaker 2: wants to take the team to the next level, and

1776
01:43:01,520 --> 01:43:05,479
Speaker 2: obviously we've seen examples of that this year with Ben

1777
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:07,920
Speaker 2: Johnson taking the Bears to the next level in his

1778
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:13,759
Speaker 2: first year. I'm just I'm very curious to see what

1779
01:43:13,880 --> 01:43:17,160
Speaker 2: the pedigree is of the head coaching candidates that are

1780
01:43:17,240 --> 01:43:21,360
Speaker 2: ultimately interviewed here. I'm it could be the full gamut, Eric,

1781
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:25,400
Speaker 2: but I'm wondering if they lean towards the younger, hotshot

1782
01:43:25,479 --> 01:43:30,240
Speaker 2: coordinator or on offense, or if they lean toward Super

1783
01:43:30,280 --> 01:43:33,080
Speaker 2: Bowl a coach with a Super Bowl on his resume

1784
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:37,679
Speaker 2: and go that way. What defines next level I think

1785
01:43:37,720 --> 01:43:41,360
Speaker 2: will be revealed in the coaching pool they choose from.

1786
01:43:41,439 --> 01:43:47,080
Speaker 15: Right, Yeah, I think so, And you'll likely make this

1787
01:43:47,200 --> 01:43:51,360
Speaker 15: move with you know, a few candidates of mine. I

1788
01:43:51,400 --> 01:43:53,599
Speaker 15: don't know that they have anyone set in stone that

1789
01:43:53,640 --> 01:43:56,160
Speaker 15: they gotta have right now. Maybe they do, maybe they

1790
01:43:56,160 --> 01:43:58,080
Speaker 15: have somebody that they're going to go after, maybe they

1791
01:43:58,240 --> 01:44:02,120
Speaker 15: vetted this already. But you likely have a few candidates

1792
01:44:02,120 --> 01:44:03,760
Speaker 15: that you like. You want to interview them, you want

1793
01:44:03,800 --> 01:44:05,479
Speaker 15: to get to know them better. See if it's going

1794
01:44:05,520 --> 01:44:08,920
Speaker 15: to be the proper fit. I mean me personally, you

1795
01:44:09,000 --> 01:44:12,320
Speaker 15: would think that they're going to lean towards an offensive

1796
01:44:12,600 --> 01:44:16,519
Speaker 15: minded head coach. You would just assume that just based

1797
01:44:16,600 --> 01:44:18,680
Speaker 15: upon the fact that, like I mentioned earlier, if you

1798
01:44:18,680 --> 01:44:21,120
Speaker 15: have eight to ten years left of Josh Allen and

1799
01:44:21,160 --> 01:44:23,439
Speaker 15: you bring an offensive minded head coach and you have success,

1800
01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:27,639
Speaker 15: then Josh would hopefully just play in one specific offense

1801
01:44:28,160 --> 01:44:31,040
Speaker 15: the rest of his career here in Buffalo. And if

1802
01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:32,840
Speaker 15: you go out and get a defensive mind to head coach,

1803
01:44:33,160 --> 01:44:36,280
Speaker 15: you're going to constantly playing that game of you know,

1804
01:44:36,720 --> 01:44:39,040
Speaker 15: every couple of years, your offensive coordinator is likely going

1805
01:44:39,080 --> 01:44:40,559
Speaker 15: to get a head coaching job. We're getting to get

1806
01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:43,599
Speaker 15: looks for it, or you got to fire them, because

1807
01:44:43,640 --> 01:44:46,800
Speaker 15: Josh Allen's going to make a good offensive coordinator look

1808
01:44:46,880 --> 01:44:50,760
Speaker 15: great for the most part. And so you'd likely have

1809
01:44:50,880 --> 01:44:54,000
Speaker 15: Josh playing in four or five more offenses throughout the

1810
01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:54,759
Speaker 15: rest of his career.

1811
01:44:55,240 --> 01:44:58,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you would think, and there is there's some

1812
01:44:58,439 --> 01:45:00,840
Speaker 3: obvious candidates, and we've been talking about him, no question

1813
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:03,280
Speaker 3: about it. I mean that's you know, it's the and

1814
01:45:03,320 --> 01:45:06,320
Speaker 3: you're and if you look down the offensive guys, he's

1815
01:45:06,360 --> 01:45:08,920
Speaker 3: got like Joe Brady's getting talked to by all these

1816
01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:12,200
Speaker 3: other teams, right, I mean, he's on the list of teams,

1817
01:45:12,360 --> 01:45:15,240
Speaker 3: of lists of coaches that are in high demand. You

1818
01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:20,840
Speaker 3: get you get Brady, you get Cliff Kingsbury, Clint Kubiak,

1819
01:45:21,479 --> 01:45:25,080
Speaker 3: all of these guys. Matt Nagy from Kansas City, all

1820
01:45:25,200 --> 01:45:28,920
Speaker 3: these guys are on the Mike McDaniel, former head coach

1821
01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:31,120
Speaker 3: of the Dolphins. By the way I just saw him,

1822
01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:34,320
Speaker 3: he's plus three hundred to He's got the lowest dods

1823
01:45:34,320 --> 01:45:36,840
Speaker 3: of being the bills next head coach. Right, So all

1824
01:45:36,880 --> 01:45:38,920
Speaker 3: this crazy stuff is out there. But if that's the

1825
01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:42,719
Speaker 3: way you go, the list automatically gets, you know, chopped

1826
01:45:42,760 --> 01:45:46,120
Speaker 3: in half. If you're gonna go with an offensive guy. Now,

1827
01:45:46,200 --> 01:45:47,960
Speaker 3: if you chop it further and say the guy needs

1828
01:45:47,960 --> 01:45:51,479
Speaker 3: to have former head coaching experience, then you're down to

1829
01:45:51,520 --> 01:45:55,520
Speaker 3: guys like Cliff Kingsbury, Mike McCarthy, John Gruden kind of guys.

1830
01:45:56,960 --> 01:46:00,240
Speaker 15: Yeah, it'll be interesting to see, you know, when they

1831
01:46:00,360 --> 01:46:04,639
Speaker 15: start listing their list of candidates, you know what direction

1832
01:46:05,040 --> 01:46:07,439
Speaker 15: we'll get. We should get a pretty clear indication whether

1833
01:46:07,479 --> 01:46:10,720
Speaker 15: this is going to be a Hey, let's interview everybody

1834
01:46:10,920 --> 01:46:15,560
Speaker 15: and let's make this a long process of the Tomlins,

1835
01:46:15,640 --> 01:46:18,760
Speaker 15: the Grudens, the Belichicks, whoever, all the way down to

1836
01:46:18,920 --> 01:46:23,240
Speaker 15: the young coordinator types. Or if it's you know, a

1837
01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:26,720
Speaker 15: shorter list that they you know, put out there of

1838
01:46:26,760 --> 01:46:30,559
Speaker 15: the candidates that they'll be interviewing. It'll be interesting to

1839
01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:33,840
Speaker 15: see how it shakes out. And you know, a lot

1840
01:46:33,880 --> 01:46:36,640
Speaker 15: of these guys I don't necessarily have history with to

1841
01:46:36,640 --> 01:46:39,560
Speaker 15: be able to speak into it. I've obviously seen them

1842
01:46:40,120 --> 01:46:43,519
Speaker 15: either coach against the Bills, coach around the league, and

1843
01:46:43,880 --> 01:46:46,080
Speaker 15: I was listening to one Bills live earlier. It's like, Okay,

1844
01:46:46,479 --> 01:46:51,280
Speaker 15: Mike McDaniel, you know, obviously had some great offensive success

1845
01:46:51,320 --> 01:46:54,439
Speaker 15: at times in Miami. You know, pair him up with

1846
01:46:54,479 --> 01:46:57,880
Speaker 15: a great defensive coordinator and anything. Oh my gosh, look at this,

1847
01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:01,640
Speaker 15: look at our schematically? Well was the player issues in

1848
01:47:01,720 --> 01:47:04,520
Speaker 15: Miami with people being late and the lack of accountability

1849
01:47:04,560 --> 01:47:06,840
Speaker 15: and to a kind of spouting off in front of

1850
01:47:06,840 --> 01:47:10,519
Speaker 15: the microphone each week saying we need more accountability in

1851
01:47:10,560 --> 01:47:13,000
Speaker 15: the locker room. Is that a Mike McDaniel thing or

1852
01:47:13,080 --> 01:47:16,200
Speaker 15: is that the players that you brought in? You know,

1853
01:47:16,240 --> 01:47:18,960
Speaker 15: it's just I don't know enough about it to speak

1854
01:47:19,000 --> 01:47:23,080
Speaker 15: into it. I just I do know, and I know

1855
01:47:23,160 --> 01:47:25,000
Speaker 15: this for a fact. This is going to be a

1856
01:47:25,040 --> 01:47:28,679
Speaker 15: sought after job. I mean, obviously you got Josh Allen,

1857
01:47:29,479 --> 01:47:31,840
Speaker 15: you got a little bit more cap room than we've

1858
01:47:31,880 --> 01:47:35,920
Speaker 15: had in the past. You have a talented roster, brand

1859
01:47:36,000 --> 01:47:40,160
Speaker 15: new stadium. You're moving into incredible leadership within this organization

1860
01:47:40,240 --> 01:47:42,479
Speaker 15: from the top with the Bogulas who around the league

1861
01:47:42,600 --> 01:47:47,360
Speaker 15: have a just incredible amount of respect to where you know,

1862
01:47:48,200 --> 01:47:50,960
Speaker 15: Buffalo checks all the boxes unless you want to live

1863
01:47:51,000 --> 01:47:54,480
Speaker 15: on the coast somewhere, right, Buffalo checks all the boxes.

1864
01:47:54,640 --> 01:47:58,400
Speaker 15: And you're gonna you're and you're also falling into maybe

1865
01:47:58,400 --> 01:48:01,000
Speaker 15: the greatest fan base in the country. You know, it's it.

1866
01:48:01,840 --> 01:48:03,879
Speaker 15: Buffalo checks almost everybody.

1867
01:48:03,920 --> 01:48:06,639
Speaker 3: How important is it? And I know that it's a process,

1868
01:48:06,680 --> 01:48:09,639
Speaker 3: and it's a musical chairs kind of thing. And we've

1869
01:48:09,640 --> 01:48:12,479
Speaker 3: already seen John Harbass snatch up the New York Giants

1870
01:48:12,520 --> 01:48:15,800
Speaker 3: and the Atlantic job. Kevin Stefanski slides over to that.

1871
01:48:16,400 --> 01:48:18,840
Speaker 3: So that and there's only thirty two of these jobs,

1872
01:48:18,840 --> 01:48:21,920
Speaker 3: and there's only eight available this year, eight left, I think, right,

1873
01:48:22,640 --> 01:48:26,479
Speaker 3: So how important is it to get it done fast

1874
01:48:26,760 --> 01:48:30,280
Speaker 3: or how important is it just to get the right guy.

1875
01:48:30,479 --> 01:48:33,000
Speaker 3: I mean, you know what I'm saying, how much of

1876
01:48:33,040 --> 01:48:35,200
Speaker 3: a deadline? How much of a deadline do you place

1877
01:48:35,280 --> 01:48:37,080
Speaker 3: on this? Is it just if you get the right guy,

1878
01:48:37,120 --> 01:48:39,639
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter if it takes you until March or April.

1879
01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:40,439
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

1880
01:48:40,479 --> 01:48:43,200
Speaker 2: You're competing with other people for these people, right and

1881
01:48:43,439 --> 01:48:43,840
Speaker 2: there is.

1882
01:48:43,840 --> 01:48:46,360
Speaker 15: That I think, yeah, yeah, you got to move fast.

1883
01:48:46,479 --> 01:48:48,200
Speaker 15: You got to move fast, especially if you have a

1884
01:48:48,200 --> 01:48:51,680
Speaker 15: guy in mine that you love. If you've got a

1885
01:48:51,680 --> 01:48:54,200
Speaker 15: guy that you love out there right now, you got

1886
01:48:54,200 --> 01:48:56,000
Speaker 15: to move fast. I mean, it wouldn't surprise me to

1887
01:48:56,000 --> 01:48:58,000
Speaker 15: see this, you know, kind of play out here in

1888
01:48:58,040 --> 01:49:00,640
Speaker 15: the next few days, where you know, the interviews are

1889
01:49:00,680 --> 01:49:03,120
Speaker 15: taking place. If you got a guy you love out there,

1890
01:49:03,400 --> 01:49:04,880
Speaker 15: you got to go make a move so he doesn't

1891
01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:05,920
Speaker 15: get picked up somewhere else.

1892
01:49:05,960 --> 01:49:09,639
Speaker 3: Because I don't know if I buy that. I mean, yes,

1893
01:49:09,760 --> 01:49:11,439
Speaker 3: you're right, But I don't think this is a team

1894
01:49:11,479 --> 01:49:14,240
Speaker 3: that's been having a side eye with some guy in

1895
01:49:14,280 --> 01:49:15,960
Speaker 3: the back room, you know, like the I don't think

1896
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:20,080
Speaker 3: I don't see any back channel communications to I'm pulling

1897
01:49:20,080 --> 01:49:23,360
Speaker 3: a name out, like to Brian Billock, right, I'm pulling

1898
01:49:23,560 --> 01:49:25,920
Speaker 3: an arbitrary name out, so I don't use anybody up.

1899
01:49:26,360 --> 01:49:29,200
Speaker 3: But there's no back channel communications going, hey, we're gonna

1900
01:49:29,200 --> 01:49:31,400
Speaker 3: fire our guy and hire your guy. I kind of

1901
01:49:31,400 --> 01:49:33,800
Speaker 3: don't see that being the case here. And I don't

1902
01:49:33,840 --> 01:49:37,799
Speaker 3: see I don't see a shiny toy on the shelf

1903
01:49:38,840 --> 01:49:41,799
Speaker 3: like we have in years past, right, I like Ben Johnson,

1904
01:49:41,920 --> 01:49:44,679
Speaker 3: Like Ben Johnson. I don't see one of those guys

1905
01:49:44,760 --> 01:49:47,680
Speaker 3: out there. So I don't know that you have to

1906
01:49:47,680 --> 01:49:49,519
Speaker 3: put your foot on the gas and shift gears to

1907
01:49:49,520 --> 01:49:51,760
Speaker 3: get it done as fast as you can, because I

1908
01:49:51,760 --> 01:49:55,960
Speaker 3: don't know that there's that guy that everybody is trying

1909
01:49:55,960 --> 01:49:58,160
Speaker 3: to get their hands on, particularly now that John Harbaugh

1910
01:49:58,240 --> 01:50:00,679
Speaker 3: is taking up, Mike Tomlin's not gonna coach this year.

1911
01:50:01,360 --> 01:50:03,640
Speaker 3: You know, all of that's off the table. So I

1912
01:50:03,680 --> 01:50:07,960
Speaker 3: don't know that I would be that much in a

1913
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:10,520
Speaker 3: hectic mode trying to get a guy scheduled.

1914
01:50:11,640 --> 01:50:14,640
Speaker 15: No, that's fair. I mean kind of the hottest coordinator

1915
01:50:14,720 --> 01:50:18,800
Speaker 15: name is probably Kubiak out in Seattle, right, And and

1916
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:23,200
Speaker 15: you know I've had zero experience with him. Now, I

1917
01:50:23,240 --> 01:50:27,880
Speaker 15: know his dad when he was in the league play Yeah,

1918
01:50:27,920 --> 01:50:32,920
Speaker 15: his dad. Players loved playing for him, you know, tough, accountable,

1919
01:50:33,439 --> 01:50:37,400
Speaker 15: but was just a ten out of ten person and

1920
01:50:37,880 --> 01:50:41,519
Speaker 15: guys played hard for him. And so you look back

1921
01:50:41,520 --> 01:50:44,280
Speaker 15: at the family ties and say, okay, well you assume

1922
01:50:44,360 --> 01:50:46,080
Speaker 15: Clint would be a good leader in the locker room

1923
01:50:46,120 --> 01:50:49,439
Speaker 15: as well, and you know that would maybe be this

1924
01:50:49,560 --> 01:50:52,519
Speaker 15: year's Ben Johnson if you're looking around the league. But

1925
01:50:53,439 --> 01:50:55,400
Speaker 15: I don't know that he doesn't necessarily have the track

1926
01:50:55,439 --> 01:50:58,519
Speaker 15: record as Ben Johnson. Kubiak's only been calling place for

1927
01:50:58,560 --> 01:51:02,360
Speaker 15: two years. And so yeah, it's, uh, it's gonna be

1928
01:51:02,520 --> 01:51:04,720
Speaker 15: very very interesting. Obviously, it's gonna be very interesting to

1929
01:51:04,760 --> 01:51:07,000
Speaker 15: see how this plays out over the next few days,

1930
01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:09,640
Speaker 15: the next few weeks, uh, because what is it with

1931
01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:14,519
Speaker 15: the teams in the championship games right now, Like they yep,

1932
01:51:14,600 --> 01:51:17,600
Speaker 15: can't talk to him ntil next week and then you

1933
01:51:17,640 --> 01:51:20,040
Speaker 15: know they're prepping for hopefully prepping for a Super Bowl,

1934
01:51:20,040 --> 01:51:23,240
Speaker 15: and so yeah, we'll see. Yeah, to your point, if

1935
01:51:23,280 --> 01:51:26,680
Speaker 15: you got someone you love and you already kind of

1936
01:51:26,720 --> 01:51:29,200
Speaker 15: have that in mind, you know, even though you're not

1937
01:51:29,240 --> 01:51:31,639
Speaker 15: going into this, you know, if the Bills win last week,

1938
01:51:31,680 --> 01:51:33,599
Speaker 15: obviously we have the same head coach and we go

1939
01:51:33,640 --> 01:51:36,680
Speaker 15: on to win a Super Bowl, we switching obviously, right,

1940
01:51:36,720 --> 01:51:41,840
Speaker 15: And so but as the season's playing out. Just human nature.

1941
01:51:41,880 --> 01:51:44,080
Speaker 15: You're looking around the league saying, man, I really like

1942
01:51:44,120 --> 01:51:47,360
Speaker 15: what they're doing here, or I really you know, you

1943
01:51:47,360 --> 01:51:50,479
Speaker 15: see enough on film and you think, man, that's a

1944
01:51:50,520 --> 01:51:54,120
Speaker 15: guy that at some point we could potentially want in

1945
01:51:54,120 --> 01:51:54,639
Speaker 15: our building.

1946
01:51:54,960 --> 01:51:55,040
Speaker 20: Right.

1947
01:51:55,120 --> 01:51:57,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and well, Clint Kobe acts a hot name. The

1948
01:51:57,880 --> 01:52:01,360
Speaker 2: Raiders have requested permission to interview forty Niners offensive coordinator

1949
01:52:01,400 --> 01:52:04,800
Speaker 2: Klay Kubiak for that their head coaching job is brother.

1950
01:52:06,479 --> 01:52:08,240
Speaker 2: I realized that real quick.

1951
01:52:08,320 --> 01:52:13,360
Speaker 15: Yeah, it's like, you know, Mike Shanahan, does he you know,

1952
01:52:13,720 --> 01:52:18,599
Speaker 15: his his coaching tree. I mean, it's just it's like,

1953
01:52:18,800 --> 01:52:21,120
Speaker 15: you know, going down to Kyle Shanahan and McVeigh and

1954
01:52:21,160 --> 01:52:24,000
Speaker 15: all them, they all stem from Mike Shanahan. Yeah, and

1955
01:52:24,080 --> 01:52:26,799
Speaker 15: it's it's pretty amazing.

1956
01:52:26,920 --> 01:52:30,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. His His coaching tenure was a mustard

1957
01:52:30,040 --> 01:52:32,880
Speaker 3: seed compared you know what I mean, because it's grown

1958
01:52:32,880 --> 01:52:35,280
Speaker 3: into a huge, a huge tree.

1959
01:52:36,880 --> 01:52:41,000
Speaker 2: Eric I realized that this might be, excuse me, harder

1960
01:52:41,040 --> 01:52:44,000
Speaker 2: to pin down, not knowing who the new head coach

1961
01:52:44,040 --> 01:52:46,639
Speaker 2: will be and what schemes will be involved on both

1962
01:52:46,680 --> 01:52:50,360
Speaker 2: sides of the ball. But as we often hear Brandon

1963
01:52:50,400 --> 01:52:53,120
Speaker 2: Bean say, your last game of the season often points

1964
01:52:53,120 --> 01:52:55,439
Speaker 2: you in a direction of where your roster needs help.

1965
01:52:56,200 --> 01:52:59,920
Speaker 2: Where at least surface level, do you think this roster

1966
01:53:00,120 --> 01:53:02,280
Speaker 2: needs the most help positionally.

1967
01:53:03,720 --> 01:53:06,559
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean this is the conversation that we've had

1968
01:53:06,720 --> 01:53:08,400
Speaker 15: after the season in the last few years. But I

1969
01:53:08,439 --> 01:53:12,600
Speaker 15: think pass rush has got to be improved. And I understand,

1970
01:53:13,000 --> 01:53:15,760
Speaker 15: you know, Michael Hoyt and Ed Oliver being out for

1971
01:53:15,880 --> 01:53:18,960
Speaker 15: as much time as they were, that hurts both of

1972
01:53:19,040 --> 01:53:22,160
Speaker 15: Dinga's risks this year, and it really hurt his numbers.

1973
01:53:22,200 --> 01:53:24,680
Speaker 15: But you know, being able to get to the quarterback

1974
01:53:25,000 --> 01:53:27,639
Speaker 15: is just I mean, it takes so much pressure off

1975
01:53:27,680 --> 01:53:30,240
Speaker 15: the rest of the defense. And I mean you watch

1976
01:53:30,560 --> 01:53:33,080
Speaker 15: some of these playoff teams and you're you're envious of

1977
01:53:33,120 --> 01:53:35,120
Speaker 15: the way that they're able to get after a quarterback

1978
01:53:35,120 --> 01:53:37,840
Speaker 15: with a four man rush. And so even though we've

1979
01:53:37,840 --> 01:53:41,000
Speaker 15: poured a ton of assets into our defensive line, and

1980
01:53:41,080 --> 01:53:43,679
Speaker 15: you have young guys in the system like a Dion

1981
01:53:43,800 --> 01:53:47,200
Speaker 15: Walker who played well this year at times, and a TJ.

1982
01:53:47,360 --> 01:53:50,200
Speaker 15: Sanders who you'd expect development from, and you hope to

1983
01:53:50,200 --> 01:53:53,000
Speaker 15: get back Hoyd and Ed Oliver and Russeau's under contract

1984
01:53:53,040 --> 01:53:56,000
Speaker 15: and all of that, But I still think, you know,

1985
01:53:56,720 --> 01:54:00,120
Speaker 15: Perry Brousseau with a top edge rusher on the other

1986
01:54:00,200 --> 01:54:03,479
Speaker 15: side is something you got to look at. And we

1987
01:54:03,720 --> 01:54:06,040
Speaker 15: at times were able to put pressure on boat Knicks,

1988
01:54:06,040 --> 01:54:08,759
Speaker 15: but it's another playoff game where you have zero sacks,

1989
01:54:09,200 --> 01:54:12,000
Speaker 15: and that plays a big role in the game, and

1990
01:54:12,120 --> 01:54:14,120
Speaker 15: you know, at the end of the game, you just

1991
01:54:14,560 --> 01:54:17,280
Speaker 15: you got to have some closers along the defensive line,

1992
01:54:17,280 --> 01:54:18,720
Speaker 15: and we didn't have him at the end of the

1993
01:54:18,760 --> 01:54:20,479
Speaker 15: season this year, And of course that could have been

1994
01:54:20,479 --> 01:54:23,880
Speaker 15: different if it's Poyton Oliver on the interior. And then

1995
01:54:24,400 --> 01:54:27,080
Speaker 15: you know, this offense continue to put up points the

1996
01:54:27,200 --> 01:54:31,080
Speaker 15: entire season, and you dealt with injuries at receiver, but

1997
01:54:31,800 --> 01:54:34,360
Speaker 15: being able to find a guy that can be your

1998
01:54:34,440 --> 01:54:39,200
Speaker 15: guy on the outside, you know, finding another receiver is

1999
01:54:39,360 --> 01:54:42,520
Speaker 15: likely something to address as well.

2000
01:54:42,800 --> 01:54:47,080
Speaker 2: Eric, thanks for the time, as always, enjoy what downtime

2001
01:54:47,120 --> 01:54:49,280
Speaker 2: you can find here, although with this coaching search we

2002
01:54:49,320 --> 01:54:51,400
Speaker 2: may all be busy for the next few weeks.

2003
01:54:52,520 --> 01:54:54,960
Speaker 15: Yep, absolutely, yep, good season fellas.

2004
01:54:55,080 --> 01:54:57,080
Speaker 2: All right, that's Eric Wood joining us as he does

2005
01:54:57,120 --> 01:55:00,000
Speaker 2: every week after Bill's games, and we might be telling

2006
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:02,080
Speaker 2: talking to him in the near future. With his head

2007
01:55:02,080 --> 01:55:05,320
Speaker 2: coaching search now underway. We have to take a break here,

2008
01:55:05,360 --> 01:55:07,440
Speaker 2: but we're back to your phone calls when we get

2009
01:55:07,480 --> 01:55:10,560
Speaker 2: back here on One Bill's Live, presented by Kalaida Helphan's

2010
01:55:10,600 --> 01:55:27,960
Speaker 2: Buffalo Bill's Rady. Back here on One Bill's Live. Chris Brown,

2011
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:32,360
Speaker 2: Steve Jaff You're on a Buffalo Football Monday, and we've

2012
01:55:32,400 --> 01:55:34,920
Speaker 2: got to go to Nick in Hamburg next. What's up Nick?

2013
01:55:35,880 --> 01:55:39,480
Speaker 7: Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call. I appreciate it.

2014
01:55:39,560 --> 01:55:41,440
Speaker 7: A couple of points here. I don't agree with the

2015
01:55:41,480 --> 01:55:45,760
Speaker 7: firing just because you know Sean McDermott. I'm a the

2016
01:55:45,840 --> 01:55:49,120
Speaker 7: generation where you know, Sean McDermott's been our best head

2017
01:55:49,200 --> 01:55:53,560
Speaker 7: coach since Marv Levy. He's really shown, you know, my generation,

2018
01:55:55,840 --> 01:56:00,320
Speaker 7: how about Buffalo football has changed and how the whole

2019
01:56:00,320 --> 01:56:03,880
Speaker 7: city rallies around. So thanks Sean for everything he's done

2020
01:56:03,880 --> 01:56:11,120
Speaker 7: for the city. Also, I don't think this organization has

2021
01:56:11,160 --> 01:56:13,720
Speaker 7: time to waste what they not waste. But if you

2022
01:56:13,720 --> 01:56:16,480
Speaker 7: would say I don't think this organization has time for

2023
01:56:16,520 --> 01:56:18,640
Speaker 7: the growing pains of a new head coach, I do

2024
01:56:18,680 --> 01:56:24,320
Speaker 7: believe that they need a proven head coach. And lastly,

2025
01:56:25,360 --> 01:56:30,640
Speaker 7: third point is I believe that they need to be

2026
01:56:30,680 --> 01:56:36,520
Speaker 7: more aggressive in the draft and free agency with you know,

2027
01:56:36,560 --> 01:56:41,640
Speaker 7: getting higher picks, trading up in the draft more to

2028
01:56:41,680 --> 01:56:45,360
Speaker 7: get some proven players, because as you guys have said,

2029
01:56:45,360 --> 01:56:47,800
Speaker 7: you know, Josh is on a back nine of his

2030
01:56:47,880 --> 01:56:52,480
Speaker 7: career and I believe the time is now.

2031
01:56:52,800 --> 01:56:58,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting, Nick, It's interesting to think about even

2032
01:56:58,240 --> 01:57:01,480
Speaker 3: a new head coach or a proven head coach like

2033
01:57:01,480 --> 01:57:03,600
Speaker 3: a Sean Payton type of guy who's out there, or

2034
01:57:03,920 --> 01:57:06,520
Speaker 3: or Mike McCarthy type of player coach who's out there,

2035
01:57:07,160 --> 01:57:11,040
Speaker 3: or they with Josh in the current state of the team,

2036
01:57:11,600 --> 01:57:16,600
Speaker 3: you would think that the moment that they signed the

2037
01:57:16,640 --> 01:57:19,360
Speaker 3: deal or the moment they say yes, the clock is

2038
01:57:19,400 --> 01:57:23,000
Speaker 3: ticking and the super Bowl is expected, there ain't no

2039
01:57:23,040 --> 01:57:26,240
Speaker 3: more of this, you know, nine years for a guy

2040
01:57:26,280 --> 01:57:28,680
Speaker 3: getting there, close, close, close, close, you got to go

2041
01:57:29,520 --> 01:57:31,320
Speaker 3: and you got to get there and you gotta win it.

2042
01:57:34,240 --> 01:57:38,080
Speaker 3: And there's nothing that says that can't happen. But that's

2043
01:57:38,080 --> 01:57:40,440
Speaker 3: going to be the expectation. The bar is going to

2044
01:57:40,480 --> 01:57:45,240
Speaker 3: be incredibly high, incredibly high for a guy coming in here.

2045
01:57:45,280 --> 01:57:47,400
Speaker 3: You think, what's gonna happen. He goes ten and seven

2046
01:57:49,040 --> 01:57:52,920
Speaker 3: with a with a number one wide receiver, how's that

2047
01:57:53,000 --> 01:57:53,560
Speaker 3: going to go over?

2048
01:57:54,200 --> 01:57:54,400
Speaker 2: Well?

2049
01:57:54,480 --> 01:57:55,760
Speaker 3: No, the bar is high.

2050
01:57:56,240 --> 01:57:56,440
Speaker 2: Yep.

2051
01:57:56,920 --> 01:57:59,960
Speaker 3: So that's got to be out there and those guys

2052
01:58:00,040 --> 01:58:01,840
Speaker 3: got to know it now. Not not that you know,

2053
01:58:01,960 --> 01:58:04,720
Speaker 3: any new head coach he gets hired doesn't have expectations. Okay,

2054
01:58:04,720 --> 01:58:07,240
Speaker 3: I get it, but let me tell you something. It's

2055
01:58:07,280 --> 01:58:10,720
Speaker 3: gonna be a it's gonna be you talk about growing pains.

2056
01:58:10,720 --> 01:58:12,160
Speaker 3: I think he's right. You need a guy to come

2057
01:58:12,160 --> 01:58:15,520
Speaker 3: in and take up and hit the ground running. We'll

2058
01:58:15,560 --> 01:58:19,360
Speaker 3: see if that can happen, because, like I said, yeah,

2059
01:58:19,400 --> 01:58:21,920
Speaker 3: the expectations is going to be through the roof.

2060
01:58:23,720 --> 01:58:26,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're replacing the guy who's the winning his coach

2061
01:58:26,200 --> 01:58:29,480
Speaker 2: in team history in terms of winning percentage. So let's

2062
01:58:29,480 --> 01:58:31,520
Speaker 2: go to Michael in Buffalo next. What's up Michael?

2063
01:58:32,800 --> 01:58:36,240
Speaker 24: Hey, guys, thanks for taking the call. I think that

2064
01:58:36,280 --> 01:58:40,280
Speaker 24: this is a misdiagnosis of the problem by firing McDermott.

2065
01:58:40,760 --> 01:58:44,880
Speaker 24: McDermott's head coaching did not seem to be criticized during

2066
01:58:44,920 --> 01:58:47,080
Speaker 24: the season. In fact, he's grown quite a bit over

2067
01:58:47,080 --> 01:58:51,440
Speaker 24: the nine years and his abilities to handle in game situations.

2068
01:58:52,200 --> 01:58:54,240
Speaker 24: But what I heard on your station many times his

2069
01:58:54,360 --> 01:58:58,480
Speaker 24: criticism of Beam this year, you can't say there's a

2070
01:58:58,560 --> 01:59:02,400
Speaker 24: quarterback like Josh were in the league with the kind

2071
01:59:02,400 --> 01:59:05,720
Speaker 24: of receiving core that we had, and that's beans responsibility.

2072
01:59:06,160 --> 01:59:09,000
Speaker 24: The other problem we had was injuries, obviously, and we

2073
01:59:09,040 --> 01:59:12,480
Speaker 24: had injuries in training camp. So my question was what

2074
01:59:12,600 --> 01:59:15,000
Speaker 24: about the strength and conditioning coach. Wasn't there attempt to

2075
01:59:15,000 --> 01:59:19,200
Speaker 24: sit down and really diagnose what the problem was this year?

2076
01:59:19,960 --> 01:59:22,480
Speaker 24: And I think this was an impulsive move because it

2077
01:59:22,560 --> 01:59:25,600
Speaker 24: came so quickly on this loss. Maybe they were thinking

2078
01:59:25,640 --> 01:59:27,720
Speaker 24: it's a contingency if they don't go all the way

2079
01:59:28,160 --> 01:59:31,760
Speaker 24: he's gone, But I just think it's scapegoating. I think

2080
01:59:31,800 --> 01:59:34,880
Speaker 24: he was definitely the second best coach, maybe would have

2081
01:59:34,880 --> 01:59:37,880
Speaker 24: become the best coach and created a culture here that

2082
01:59:37,920 --> 01:59:40,480
Speaker 24: the players really thrived in. There could be a foul

2083
01:59:40,680 --> 01:59:43,880
Speaker 24: time with no matter who they hired in transition, then

2084
01:59:43,880 --> 01:59:46,720
Speaker 24: maybe a year or two where they're still working things

2085
01:59:46,720 --> 01:59:49,120
Speaker 24: out with a new culture, a new home crew of

2086
01:59:49,120 --> 01:59:50,800
Speaker 24: assistant coaches that are going to be hired with the

2087
01:59:50,800 --> 01:59:54,520
Speaker 24: head coach. So I think this is a fundamental impulsive mistake. Kagoula,

2088
01:59:54,880 --> 01:59:57,360
Speaker 24: I agree with the former caller did not make great

2089
01:59:57,440 --> 02:00:00,400
Speaker 24: choices for a head coach of the Sabers, and so

2090
02:00:00,840 --> 02:00:02,800
Speaker 24: I just don't know if this was a power play

2091
02:00:03,200 --> 02:00:05,360
Speaker 24: where Brandon Bean had to this hide. If I'm going

2092
02:00:05,400 --> 02:00:07,280
Speaker 24: to stay here, I'm going to have to scapegoat my

2093
02:00:07,320 --> 02:00:10,720
Speaker 24: buddy Sean or whether this was all Pagoula's mind, I

2094
02:00:10,800 --> 02:00:13,880
Speaker 24: have to have this dramatic change. But it's really putting

2095
02:00:13,880 --> 02:00:16,360
Speaker 24: the blame in the wrong place. All of the evidence

2096
02:00:16,440 --> 02:00:19,080
Speaker 24: during the year on your station was pointing at we

2097
02:00:19,160 --> 02:00:23,360
Speaker 24: didn't have enough talent in the receiving corps to get

2098
02:00:23,400 --> 02:00:25,960
Speaker 24: the thing done. And then you can the head coach.

2099
02:00:26,080 --> 02:00:27,680
Speaker 24: So that's it. Thanks guys.

2100
02:00:28,320 --> 02:00:31,760
Speaker 3: That's kind of a common sentiment from people who are

2101
02:00:31,760 --> 02:00:35,400
Speaker 3: not happy about the firing. I was asking Brownie this

2102
02:00:35,480 --> 02:00:36,920
Speaker 3: and I don't know that. I don't even know if

2103
02:00:36,920 --> 02:00:38,200
Speaker 3: I want to go down the rabbit hole. But if

2104
02:00:38,240 --> 02:00:40,919
Speaker 3: you'd have reversed it and done what fans are complaining

2105
02:00:40,960 --> 02:00:44,000
Speaker 3: about and fired brand of Bean asit of Sean McDermott,

2106
02:00:44,040 --> 02:00:48,040
Speaker 3: I I don't know. I can't even say you'd gotten

2107
02:00:48,360 --> 02:00:51,839
Speaker 3: the same pushback. We have sat here and taken calls

2108
02:00:51,880 --> 02:00:56,080
Speaker 3: throughout this year, probably more so than other years, but

2109
02:00:56,360 --> 02:01:00,640
Speaker 3: we've taken calls about, you know, the roster not getting

2110
02:01:00,640 --> 02:01:02,520
Speaker 3: that wide receiver, that trade Denteley, even though it was

2111
02:01:02,560 --> 02:01:05,560
Speaker 3: reported time and time again what Brandon tried to do

2112
02:01:05,600 --> 02:01:07,840
Speaker 3: and couldn't get done because he wouldn't go over the

2113
02:01:07,880 --> 02:01:11,880
Speaker 3: top price wise, but also in years past, at this

2114
02:01:12,040 --> 02:01:15,600
Speaker 3: time of year, when when you've gone through a loss

2115
02:01:15,600 --> 02:01:18,480
Speaker 3: and a season ender like we've done eight out of

2116
02:01:18,520 --> 02:01:22,200
Speaker 3: the last nine years, Sean McDermott was the guy, and

2117
02:01:21,800 --> 02:01:24,440
Speaker 3: they should get You're never gonna do it with Sean McDermott.

2118
02:01:24,480 --> 02:01:26,880
Speaker 3: He's not the guy. He's not the right head coach.

2119
02:01:27,320 --> 02:01:34,000
Speaker 3: So one the other or both, you're not gonna make

2120
02:01:34,040 --> 02:01:39,160
Speaker 3: the entire fan base happy. We are not going to

2121
02:01:39,240 --> 02:01:44,160
Speaker 3: know the results of this for months, and not all

2122
02:01:44,160 --> 02:01:46,040
Speaker 3: of you are going to be happy about letting Sean

2123
02:01:46,120 --> 02:01:48,920
Speaker 3: McDermott go and keeping Brandon bean. And just like it

2124
02:01:48,960 --> 02:01:52,760
Speaker 3: would have been the case had they flipped it. So

2125
02:01:53,960 --> 02:01:55,680
Speaker 3: I think he had to wait and see what happens,

2126
02:01:55,680 --> 02:01:59,800
Speaker 3: no question about it. We don't have any choice. What

2127
02:01:59,840 --> 02:02:03,040
Speaker 3: this means is I agree, Like I said to Brownie,

2128
02:02:03,080 --> 02:02:10,360
Speaker 3: I'm the expectations of this franchise have been hugely elevated

2129
02:02:10,440 --> 02:02:13,200
Speaker 3: by the presence and the and the performance of Sean McDermott.

2130
02:02:13,640 --> 02:02:15,040
Speaker 3: And the next guy comes in it is gonna have

2131
02:02:15,040 --> 02:02:17,400
Speaker 3: his work cutout for him. It's gonna be a big

2132
02:02:17,520 --> 02:02:20,280
Speaker 3: job to live up to what Seawn, the legacy Sean

2133
02:02:20,360 --> 02:02:21,840
Speaker 3: McDermott has left behind.

2134
02:02:21,600 --> 02:02:23,520
Speaker 2: And it's gonna be human nature. For the players that

2135
02:02:23,560 --> 02:02:26,720
Speaker 2: are still here and under contract, it's human nature. They're

2136
02:02:26,760 --> 02:02:29,600
Speaker 2: going to do it. They're going to compare this guy

2137
02:02:29,680 --> 02:02:33,280
Speaker 2: to the last guy, right. I mean, there's gonna be

2138
02:02:33,520 --> 02:02:35,920
Speaker 2: a proving ground for that new head coach.

2139
02:02:35,760 --> 02:02:37,760
Speaker 3: Now, particularly by the veterans who have been here, that

2140
02:02:38,040 --> 02:02:41,120
Speaker 3: Don Dawkins of the world, the Dawson Knoxes, and the

2141
02:02:41,160 --> 02:02:43,600
Speaker 3: Matt Milanas. Although of Matt's contract is of it. It's

2142
02:02:43,600 --> 02:02:48,640
Speaker 3: gonna be a job, you know, winning those guys over.

2143
02:02:49,080 --> 02:02:51,000
Speaker 3: But it's also true that the roster is going to

2144
02:02:51,040 --> 02:02:53,680
Speaker 3: be significantly changed coming into this next year, just like

2145
02:02:53,720 --> 02:02:55,200
Speaker 3: it was this year. So a lot of these guys

2146
02:02:55,240 --> 02:02:56,520
Speaker 3: are gonna come in and say, I don't know what

2147
02:02:56,560 --> 02:03:00,480
Speaker 3: it was like last year. Right, There's guys on the

2148
02:03:00,520 --> 02:03:03,600
Speaker 3: team this year that would have said that about last year.

2149
02:03:04,560 --> 02:03:06,240
Speaker 3: It's just the way. That's the way of the as

2150
02:03:06,240 --> 02:03:11,120
Speaker 3: the animal that that the NFL is. I'm going to

2151
02:03:11,200 --> 02:03:15,480
Speaker 3: be fascinating to watch this transpire and see the effects

2152
02:03:15,480 --> 02:03:16,560
Speaker 3: of all these decisions.

2153
02:03:17,080 --> 02:03:19,240
Speaker 2: Let's go to Mark in Jersey City next.

2154
02:03:19,240 --> 02:03:24,000
Speaker 23: What's up Mark, Good afternoon, gentlemen there went to talk

2155
02:03:24,000 --> 02:03:28,680
Speaker 23: about the game. I really uh caught off guard like

2156
02:03:28,720 --> 02:03:32,760
Speaker 23: everybody else. McDermott was a great hire. Those who think

2157
02:03:32,760 --> 02:03:36,280
Speaker 23: in terry blow this higher. He did hire, He did

2158
02:03:36,320 --> 02:03:40,200
Speaker 23: hire Sean. He did hire Sean, but by proxy the

2159
02:03:40,240 --> 02:03:44,200
Speaker 23: Savers kind of dampen any other decision he makes with

2160
02:03:44,320 --> 02:03:46,800
Speaker 23: the fans there because the teams are so closely knit,

2161
02:03:47,160 --> 02:03:50,960
Speaker 23: owning both of them. But I'm not as foolish to think,

2162
02:03:51,000 --> 02:03:53,400
Speaker 23: like a lot of fans that Sean didn't have a

2163
02:03:53,440 --> 02:03:56,240
Speaker 23: say in this roster. He was just some you know,

2164
02:03:58,120 --> 02:04:03,520
Speaker 23: outside observer, just watching being put it together. He of

2165
02:04:03,560 --> 02:04:06,040
Speaker 23: course had to say in this roster and who they signed,

2166
02:04:06,040 --> 02:04:10,920
Speaker 23: who they kept, resigned, released it just and then you

2167
02:04:11,520 --> 02:04:13,400
Speaker 23: couple it with all the things that went on this year.

2168
02:04:13,400 --> 02:04:15,800
Speaker 23: It was like a mailstrom that eventually came to a

2169
02:04:15,800 --> 02:04:20,280
Speaker 23: head today with passive aggressive comments made in press conferences

2170
02:04:20,400 --> 02:04:24,800
Speaker 23: unsolicited about players coming and going. But we'd also guys

2171
02:04:24,800 --> 02:04:28,800
Speaker 23: getting injured in practice, guys just getting injured in warm ups,

2172
02:04:30,240 --> 02:04:33,920
Speaker 23: and it just I just feel like you see Josh's viscile,

2173
02:04:33,960 --> 02:04:36,160
Speaker 23: you know, just emotional reaction after the game. I think

2174
02:04:36,200 --> 02:04:39,640
Speaker 23: the players knew something was going to They didn't know

2175
02:04:39,680 --> 02:04:41,920
Speaker 23: what it was, but they knew something was going to

2176
02:04:42,000 --> 02:04:45,880
Speaker 23: come to a head. And then mcdermot's in passionate speech about,

2177
02:04:45,960 --> 02:04:48,680
Speaker 23: you know, sticking up for Buffalo, and it's very just,

2178
02:04:48,920 --> 02:04:50,720
Speaker 23: I don't know, it's kind of crazy that's the way

2179
02:04:50,760 --> 02:04:53,840
Speaker 23: it ended for him. But I feel like the team

2180
02:04:53,840 --> 02:04:56,480
Speaker 23: reflects its coach. And there were times too many of

2181
02:04:56,480 --> 02:04:58,600
Speaker 23: these playoff games, like Steve alluded to, where they were

2182
02:04:58,640 --> 02:05:02,120
Speaker 23: just tight in those big moments. They just seemed like,

2183
02:05:02,400 --> 02:05:04,040
Speaker 23: I'm gonna say it was too big for them, but

2184
02:05:04,280 --> 02:05:07,200
Speaker 23: it just they just looked tight. And Josh looked rushed

2185
02:05:07,240 --> 02:05:10,240
Speaker 23: all year. He just he did. He'd never look comfortable.

2186
02:05:11,280 --> 02:05:16,200
Speaker 23: He got sacked a lot, and again it came to

2187
02:05:16,240 --> 02:05:18,760
Speaker 23: ahead on it was Saturday. Was just a culmination of

2188
02:05:18,840 --> 02:05:22,080
Speaker 23: it all. And I hope they go a young route.

2189
02:05:22,160 --> 02:05:24,800
Speaker 23: I don't want none of these retreads, the Mike McCarthy's,

2190
02:05:25,000 --> 02:05:28,240
Speaker 23: the Mike Commlins, that's just week old milk. I want

2191
02:05:28,400 --> 02:05:31,400
Speaker 23: a fresh face, a new voice, and somebody who can

2192
02:05:31,440 --> 02:05:34,480
Speaker 23: relate to the younger crowd, because these kids coming up

2193
02:05:34,480 --> 02:05:36,880
Speaker 23: are different they're different. Great, thanks for taking my call.

2194
02:05:36,960 --> 02:05:37,120
Speaker 18: Guys.

2195
02:05:37,160 --> 02:05:40,800
Speaker 2: Yep, you're been saying Mark. I understand how people now

2196
02:05:40,840 --> 02:05:42,560
Speaker 2: in the wake of this decision want to try to

2197
02:05:42,600 --> 02:05:45,080
Speaker 2: go back to last Saturday and follow the bread crumbs.

2198
02:05:48,080 --> 02:05:53,200
Speaker 2: And maybe there was some evidence that players felt and

2199
02:05:53,240 --> 02:05:56,440
Speaker 2: maybe that's why some of those plays weren't made, because

2200
02:05:56,520 --> 02:05:59,240
Speaker 2: they were worried about what their failures could lead to.

2201
02:06:00,000 --> 02:06:02,040
Speaker 2: And maybe they did play tight. I don't know. It

2202
02:06:02,080 --> 02:06:03,560
Speaker 2: didn't seem that way to me, but.

2203
02:06:03,840 --> 02:06:05,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, they didn't play their best. That's why they didn't

2204
02:06:05,960 --> 02:06:08,120
Speaker 3: play their best. Now, the defense had a good game,

2205
02:06:08,200 --> 02:06:10,520
Speaker 3: no question about it. But and but the offense, I mean,

2206
02:06:10,520 --> 02:06:14,720
Speaker 3: he turned over five times. Something's going on, right, and

2207
02:06:14,760 --> 02:06:20,200
Speaker 3: maybe even with maybe with Josh, who knows, But it

2208
02:06:20,360 --> 02:06:22,840
Speaker 3: was it was not their best game, particularly on the

2209
02:06:22,840 --> 02:06:25,160
Speaker 3: offensive side of the ball. And we've said it a

2210
02:06:25,200 --> 02:06:27,120
Speaker 3: gazillion times. It wasn't their best game. And then they

2211
02:06:27,240 --> 02:06:33,840
Speaker 3: end up scoring thirty. Right, that's the amazing thing about

2212
02:06:33,840 --> 02:06:40,200
Speaker 3: this team. Yeah, yards, it's so frustrated. They're so frustratingly good.

2213
02:06:40,720 --> 02:06:42,840
Speaker 3: And when they say they're good, and it also means

2214
02:06:42,880 --> 02:06:44,800
Speaker 3: they got a level of talent somewhere, and you can

2215
02:06:44,800 --> 02:06:47,240
Speaker 3: say Josh this, Josh that. But they had they had

2216
02:06:47,320 --> 02:06:51,600
Speaker 3: nobody playing defense and they were playing They held the

2217
02:06:51,600 --> 02:06:54,680
Speaker 3: the Broncos, the number one seed, to sixteen points on

2218
02:06:54,760 --> 02:06:57,600
Speaker 3: five turnovers. I mean they're doing some things right.

2219
02:06:57,720 --> 02:06:59,800
Speaker 2: I mean, essentially they gave up seventeen points.

2220
02:07:00,560 --> 02:07:03,520
Speaker 3: That's the maddening part about this whole exercise. They do

2221
02:07:03,600 --> 02:07:08,840
Speaker 3: stuff that you think is impossible, and time and time

2222
02:07:08,880 --> 02:07:12,760
Speaker 3: again it comes down to a catch interception called by

2223
02:07:12,800 --> 02:07:15,160
Speaker 3: an official, or a fourth down spot by an official,

2224
02:07:15,280 --> 02:07:21,400
Speaker 3: or it's like the it's so, it's like I said,

2225
02:07:21,440 --> 02:07:25,640
Speaker 3: these losses have become a characteristic of this team rather

2226
02:07:25,680 --> 02:07:28,640
Speaker 3: than bad luck every single year at the end, it's

2227
02:07:28,640 --> 02:07:33,920
Speaker 3: a characteristic and they wanted to change that. And and

2228
02:07:34,000 --> 02:07:36,800
Speaker 3: I get it to You're right, there's always a conversation

2229
02:07:36,920 --> 02:07:39,360
Speaker 3: between a GM and a coach. I mean, Sean and

2230
02:07:39,400 --> 02:07:43,720
Speaker 3: Brandon came to Buffalo. Brandon after Sean as a pair

2231
02:07:43,880 --> 02:07:46,720
Speaker 3: because they had a relationship, because they had conversation about

2232
02:07:46,760 --> 02:07:48,800
Speaker 3: the kind of players and what they wanted. And over

2233
02:07:48,840 --> 02:07:50,880
Speaker 3: the course of nine years, and you know you want

2234
02:07:50,920 --> 02:07:52,800
Speaker 3: you know, you want that guy or this guy, and

2235
02:07:52,960 --> 02:07:54,960
Speaker 3: the general manager can't make it happen or won't make

2236
02:07:55,000 --> 02:07:59,800
Speaker 3: it happen, and that tension breeds them. Maybe in breeds

2237
02:07:59,840 --> 02:08:03,080
Speaker 3: the need for a change. I don't know. It seems

2238
02:08:03,120 --> 02:08:06,840
Speaker 3: that way to a lot of people. Here we are

2239
02:08:07,120 --> 02:08:09,720
Speaker 3: the tension has forced a change, and this is the

2240
02:08:09,800 --> 02:08:10,640
Speaker 3: change it was made.

2241
02:08:10,920 --> 02:08:13,800
Speaker 2: One other coaching Caaraseale update, Raiders have completed their head

2242
02:08:13,800 --> 02:08:17,160
Speaker 2: coaching interview with former Dolphins head coach Mike McDaniels. So

2243
02:08:17,200 --> 02:08:20,680
Speaker 2: another head coaching interview for him. Let's squeeze in Tom

2244
02:08:20,720 --> 02:08:23,000
Speaker 2: and Brighton here before the break. What's up Tom?

2245
02:08:23,680 --> 02:08:25,560
Speaker 10: Hi, guys, I want to thank you for taking my Tom.

2246
02:08:25,680 --> 02:08:28,080
Speaker 10: I want to really throw.

2247
02:08:27,960 --> 02:08:28,400
Speaker 6: Out some.

2248
02:08:30,640 --> 02:08:34,400
Speaker 10: Whatever. The last two callers were fantastic I thought anyway.

2249
02:08:34,520 --> 02:08:37,960
Speaker 10: So the first color said something about he was talking

2250
02:08:38,040 --> 02:08:40,680
Speaker 10: about that there was an impulsive decision. He thinks it

2251
02:08:40,760 --> 02:08:45,360
Speaker 10: was an impulsive decision, and I just want to if

2252
02:08:45,400 --> 02:08:49,000
Speaker 10: it's an impulsive decision, I mean, it's pretty hard to

2253
02:08:49,120 --> 02:08:53,880
Speaker 10: be successful anything making knee jerk or impulsive decisions. So

2254
02:08:54,000 --> 02:08:57,760
Speaker 10: I'm going to go along with the assumption that it

2255
02:08:57,920 --> 02:09:00,880
Speaker 10: wasn't a knee jerk reaction. And I'm going to go

2256
02:09:00,960 --> 02:09:07,160
Speaker 10: along that this this is something that's been discussed internally

2257
02:09:07,880 --> 02:09:10,440
Speaker 10: that we don't see and that's why we get shocked

2258
02:09:10,600 --> 02:09:15,000
Speaker 10: when we see it, right, Okay, And so I just

2259
02:09:15,040 --> 02:09:18,160
Speaker 10: feel that this stuff they'd getting probably talking about this stuff,

2260
02:09:18,600 --> 02:09:22,360
Speaker 10: and I guess if you're going to go if I'm

2261
02:09:22,400 --> 02:09:26,920
Speaker 10: the GM of a great I mean great organization and

2262
02:09:27,040 --> 02:09:30,600
Speaker 10: a TM that's basically looking at whatever game two from

2263
02:09:30,640 --> 02:09:34,040
Speaker 10: being a super Bowl and sitting there going I'm getting

2264
02:09:34,080 --> 02:09:39,320
Speaker 10: ready to let go the one of the wingest coaches

2265
02:09:40,000 --> 02:09:44,760
Speaker 10: and for sure our team history and maybe any NFL team,

2266
02:09:45,040 --> 02:09:50,920
Speaker 10: you know, percentage. I better have something I'm pretty sure

2267
02:09:51,480 --> 02:09:54,720
Speaker 10: I'm going to be able to get that's going to

2268
02:09:55,200 --> 02:09:58,960
Speaker 10: take me to that next level. I better have a

2269
02:09:59,000 --> 02:10:01,400
Speaker 10: guy I'm pretty sure i'm gonna be able to get.

2270
02:10:01,680 --> 02:10:04,560
Speaker 10: And too, if I can't get that one guy, I'm

2271
02:10:04,600 --> 02:10:09,440
Speaker 10: gonna get two other guys I can get I still

2272
02:10:09,520 --> 02:10:12,160
Speaker 10: think are better than what I just let go. So

2273
02:10:12,600 --> 02:10:15,880
Speaker 10: I think this idea of there's just gonna be this

2274
02:10:15,960 --> 02:10:23,080
Speaker 10: open reset and a whole process, I think that's all

2275
02:10:23,120 --> 02:10:25,920
Speaker 10: gonna be, you know, phenophena, I don't really believe in that.

2276
02:10:25,960 --> 02:10:29,280
Speaker 10: I think I think they probably got a guy. And

2277
02:10:29,680 --> 02:10:31,440
Speaker 10: I don't know what the tampering rules are. I don't

2278
02:10:31,440 --> 02:10:33,360
Speaker 10: know if you're allowed to talk to them already. But

2279
02:10:33,520 --> 02:10:35,320
Speaker 10: I think they probably already had a guy, and they're

2280
02:10:35,360 --> 02:10:36,880
Speaker 10: gonna hope to get them, and if they don't, they're

2281
02:10:36,880 --> 02:10:39,680
Speaker 10: gonna get maybe one or the other two. And I I,

2282
02:10:40,280 --> 02:10:44,920
Speaker 10: I don't think we should be as nervous as as

2283
02:10:44,920 --> 02:10:47,400
Speaker 10: we all are. And that's I'll just like to know

2284
02:10:47,440 --> 02:10:49,640
Speaker 10: what you guys thought about that logic.

2285
02:10:49,920 --> 02:10:50,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right.

2286
02:10:51,040 --> 02:10:53,280
Speaker 3: First of all, you're right, You're you're right. I don't

2287
02:10:53,280 --> 02:10:57,440
Speaker 3: think it was an impulsive, reactionary decision the Denver internally

2288
02:10:57,600 --> 02:11:00,680
Speaker 3: after the Denver game, unless no, and not at all,

2289
02:11:00,720 --> 02:11:02,600
Speaker 3: that would make it just the opposite. Think about this

2290
02:11:03,040 --> 02:11:08,840
Speaker 3: last year another last year, the fourth down quarterback sneak

2291
02:11:08,880 --> 02:11:12,280
Speaker 3: in Kansas City. Josh doesn't get it. The desperation pass

2292
02:11:12,560 --> 02:11:15,200
Speaker 3: he did, right, And even though it looks like he did.

2293
02:11:15,400 --> 02:11:18,520
Speaker 3: The desperation passed from Josh and donks off the face

2294
02:11:18,600 --> 02:11:21,440
Speaker 3: mask of Dalton Kincaid in a pass you think probably

2295
02:11:21,800 --> 02:11:24,120
Speaker 3: mostly he would have caught it. Didn't. You lose the game.

2296
02:11:24,480 --> 02:11:28,920
Speaker 3: And that's the seventh or sixth or seventh time you've

2297
02:11:28,960 --> 02:11:32,000
Speaker 3: lost an excruciating game that you probably should have won

2298
02:11:32,080 --> 02:11:33,720
Speaker 3: or could have won. I felt you were good enough

2299
02:11:33,720 --> 02:11:36,480
Speaker 3: to win. And after that game, you're sitting there, if

2300
02:11:36,480 --> 02:11:39,080
Speaker 3: you're Terry Pagul or Brandon Bean or the or Sean

2301
02:11:39,120 --> 02:11:42,280
Speaker 3: mgnor anybody, you're saying, man, if this happens one more time,

2302
02:11:42,280 --> 02:11:47,200
Speaker 3: we're making a change. Twelve months later, it happened to.

2303
02:11:47,200 --> 02:11:49,480
Speaker 2: Get Bills have never won an overtime.

2304
02:11:51,000 --> 02:11:55,120
Speaker 3: So you think about it anything, Okay, Well I said

2305
02:11:55,200 --> 02:11:57,680
Speaker 3: this is what I was. Now do I put up

2306
02:11:57,720 --> 02:11:58,200
Speaker 3: or shut up?

2307
02:11:58,560 --> 02:12:01,080
Speaker 2: Yeah? But I think the reason and it's not impulsive,

2308
02:12:01,160 --> 02:12:05,200
Speaker 2: is because you've probably thought about this for probably a

2309
02:12:05,240 --> 02:12:08,680
Speaker 2: few months internally, because you know that if you move

2310
02:12:08,680 --> 02:12:11,560
Speaker 2: on from Sean McDermott, you're moving on from the most

2311
02:12:11,560 --> 02:12:14,120
Speaker 2: successful coach in the league in terms of wins and

2312
02:12:14,160 --> 02:12:15,680
Speaker 2: losses since twenty twenty.

2313
02:12:15,960 --> 02:12:16,800
Speaker 3: So hard.

2314
02:12:16,800 --> 02:12:20,640
Speaker 2: You don't make an impulsive decision without a concrete, real

2315
02:12:20,720 --> 02:12:23,960
Speaker 2: answer as to what the replacement's going to be, and

2316
02:12:24,040 --> 02:12:26,880
Speaker 2: you have to be convinced it's going to be better

2317
02:12:27,320 --> 02:12:28,520
Speaker 2: than what you've had.

2318
02:12:28,720 --> 02:12:30,880
Speaker 3: That's a big ask. It is a big ask.

2319
02:12:30,960 --> 02:12:31,480
Speaker 2: So I don't know.

2320
02:12:31,520 --> 02:12:33,920
Speaker 3: And for us sitting here, we're all wrapped up in

2321
02:12:34,000 --> 02:12:36,160
Speaker 3: this team and this game, you know, like Bills fans,

2322
02:12:36,200 --> 02:12:37,840
Speaker 3: we're wrapped up in right Josh.

2323
02:12:37,560 --> 02:12:39,920
Speaker 2: And are way ahead of that.

2324
02:12:40,200 --> 02:12:43,040
Speaker 3: We we don't know any of the names they may like.

2325
02:12:43,440 --> 02:12:47,760
Speaker 3: They may like Clint Kubiak or Clay Kubiak, or you know,

2326
02:12:48,640 --> 02:12:51,840
Speaker 3: Clint Kingsby or Cliff Kingsbury or one of these other

2327
02:12:51,920 --> 02:12:55,080
Speaker 3: offensive guy who knows they may like one of those guys.

2328
02:12:55,120 --> 02:12:56,600
Speaker 3: I don't know them.

2329
02:12:56,840 --> 02:12:59,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, got to take a break here. We'll try to

2330
02:12:59,200 --> 02:13:00,960
Speaker 2: squeeze a phone call and we get back on One

2331
02:13:00,960 --> 02:13:19,040
Speaker 2: Bill's Life. All right, back here on One Bill's Live.

2332
02:13:19,120 --> 02:13:21,880
Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you, and really don't have

2333
02:13:21,920 --> 02:13:24,360
Speaker 2: any more time for phone calls at this point. We

2334
02:13:24,400 --> 02:13:26,440
Speaker 2: only got about a minute left in the show. But

2335
02:13:26,800 --> 02:13:29,480
Speaker 2: thanks for chiming in today. If you want to stay

2336
02:13:29,480 --> 02:13:32,680
Speaker 2: on hold, you can join the next show, which here

2337
02:13:32,680 --> 02:13:35,440
Speaker 2: in Buffalo will be Shoping the Bulldog. They'll be happy

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Speaker 2: to take your phone calls this afternoon as they'll continue

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Speaker 2: the conversation, presumably on the firing of head coach Sean

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Speaker 2: McDermott and where the Bills go from here. And that's

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Speaker 2: really what we'll be focused on going forward after the

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Speaker 2: surprise wears off from the move. As we told you,

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Speaker 2: this is not unprecedented. There are three other head coaches

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Speaker 2: in the history of the league that have been fired

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Speaker 2: after winning twelve or more games in a season. George Steaffert,

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Speaker 2: Marty Schottenheimer, and there was one other coach whose name

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Speaker 2: is escaping me right now.

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Speaker 3: I did write for Schottenheimer and Marty.

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Speaker 7: Oh.

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Speaker 2: John Fox, there you go, who went twelve and four

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Speaker 2: with the Broncos in twenty fourteen, won the AFC West

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Speaker 2: and was bound after that season. So it's not unprecedented.

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Speaker 2: It has happened before. And now we sit and wait

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Speaker 2: for when the press conference will inevitably held with be

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Speaker 2: held with President of Football Operations and general manager Brandon Bean.

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Speaker 2: We would anticipate that to be in the next couple

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Speaker 2: of days, so stay tuned to Buffalo bills dot com

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Speaker 2: and to one Bill's Live as Steve and I will

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Speaker 2: be back with you tomorrow at one to discuss this

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Speaker 2: in further detail. Thanks for listening, We'll catch you tomorrow