1 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: So I wanted to talk about luck today because I 2 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: talk a lot about luck and ask people about it 3 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: a lot, because people believe that they're really luckier than smart. 4 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: Many people say I'd rather be lucky and smart. I 5 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: ask many of our guests what percentage do they think 6 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,159 Speaker 1: they're smart and what percentage they think they're lucky. And 7 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: everyone has a different relationship to luck and intelligence. And 8 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: I get asked certain questions which I have a dissatisfying 9 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: answer to, such as who's my mentor uh, you know, 10 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: growing up, who did I really look up to? But 11 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: I don't really have a great answer for that. I 12 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: have people that I ask for different pieces of advice 13 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: now based on what the question is and whether it's 14 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: in the entertainment industry or if it's more of a 15 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: business or a money question. But the luck conversation is 16 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: very interesting. And I had something happened to me yesterday 17 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: where I realized a stroke of luck. For most of 18 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: my life, I think I've been more smart than lucky. 19 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: I've created my own luck. Kelly Rippo was saying the 20 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: same thing when she was on this show. But my 21 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: show The Big Shot with Bethany on HBO Max is 22 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: a great show. The response has been incredible, and for 23 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: two days in a row is meeting ten people to 24 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: sell these shows. But this show was the big show, 25 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 1: the big shot. This was the big one, and that 26 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: a couple of cute like little or shows, one that 27 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: I would be in, one that I wasn't. So I 28 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: was there in l A and had two days lined 29 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 1: up of interviews. Poetically, right before we were walking into 30 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: the first place to sell, which was interestingly enough, Bravo. 31 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 1: Right before we walked into Bravo, I decided to leave. 32 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: The housewives can clear it up here. I did not 33 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: leave because of money. I was staying because of money. 34 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: I had agreed upon the money I was going to 35 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: get paid. And there was one other small deal point 36 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: that wasn't really that much of a big deal. It 37 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: was just principal, and I was looking to leave, and 38 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: I just the way that I've worked with that network 39 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: and the things that I've done in good faith made 40 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: me not like this one uh contract point, which I 41 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: knew would be moot because I've been working there for 42 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: so long, and I knew that they would never really 43 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: enforce this point if push came to shove, which is 44 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: what contracts are all about It's like if this weird, 45 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: crazy thing happens and unicorn jumps through your ceiling. So 46 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: but I just didn't like it. It just sometimes something 47 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: could just push you where sometimes you're looking for a 48 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 1: reason for things not to work. Could be in a relationship, 49 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: it could be in a job. But I just I 50 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: was looking for a reason to just leave because I 51 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: just knew that I could leap and jump and fly 52 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: and I'll get to luck. We're gonna get back to luck. 53 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 1: But I remember I was in l A And I 54 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: was talking to Dorinda on the phone from this nice 55 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: hotel in Malibu, and she really thought I was going back, 56 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 1: because nobody ever leaves the housewives. They can say that 57 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,519 Speaker 1: they do, but really they've been like probably maybe one 58 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: to two people who are ever left, including me, maybe three, 59 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 1: but I don't think so everyone says that they left, 60 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: but they all got fired. That is a fact. And 61 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: I was talking to Dorinda and I said, I think 62 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: I'm really going to leave. And I said to my 63 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: lawyers and my business manager said, it's a lot of money, 64 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: and I would not leave yet, and there's no reason 65 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: you don't have to leave now, like meaning I could 66 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: wait until the day that they all started filming, which 67 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: a lot of people do, and then you haven't signed yet, 68 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: and then it becomes this whole pissing contest and I 69 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 1: don't show up and then they give me what I want. 70 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: But I don't like doing business that way. I like 71 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: business to be ethical. So I said to my lawyers, 72 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: call them up and ask them if that's their best 73 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: and final and they said, yeah, that's their best and final. Okay, 74 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: So I said, great, flip the switch. And Joe my 75 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: frits On, my publicist, who is the only person who 76 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: thought that I should leave, the only person professionally, Paul. 77 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna reserve becase I don't want to put him 78 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: under but you know, he might have been the other person. 79 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: But Jill is the only person. And she said, wait, 80 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: if we send this like you're not going back, then 81 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: you understand that. I go, I know, hit the switch, 82 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: like as if I was ordering a sandwich. Was nothing. 83 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: I said, yeah, I know. She goes, wait, but you 84 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: don't have to do this right and I go, I 85 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: know we're doing this right now. And so I make 86 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: the announcement and I'm walking into Bravo to try to 87 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: sell these os um, and I went off about my 88 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: day and people were freaking out. I mean, it was crazy. 89 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: And then people who produced the show, we're crying and 90 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: begging me to come back and what would it take. 91 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: And I'm like, you don't understand. This isn't like a game. 92 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: This isn't preschool. Now you guys are gonna have me 93 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 1: come back, even though you said but like, this isn't 94 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: like we play games. And someone who's high up at 95 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: Bravo then called and said, we were blindsided. I'm like, 96 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: you weren't blindsided. I told your lawyers. Then we're done. 97 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: Like is that your best and final? Yeah? Okay, Just 98 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: so you all know when you're negotiating, like sometimes negotiating 99 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: in reality television is romp room because it's these women 100 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: or men who don't know how to negotiate and they bluff. 101 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: Then the network calls their bluff because the network knows 102 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: that they desperately need this job and aren't walking. And 103 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: then this person's bluff is called, and then they forever 104 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 1: know for the years to come if this person will bluff. 105 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: And that's how this person's style of negotiating is. But 106 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: my style has always been known to if I say 107 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: I'm walking. I'm walking, So I sat, I'm walking and 108 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 1: I walked, and then I heard from someone high up 109 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: with the network and they're like, yeah, well, we were 110 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 1: just taking it back. I wish you would called me. 111 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: Were you talking about called you? We told your legal 112 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 1: professionals and they said best and final. I'm gonna go 113 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 1: call the principal of the school and be like, are 114 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: you guys kidding you guys that we we did detention? 115 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: Is that serious or you guys are just joking, Like 116 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: you don't sunk around when you're talking about contracts. So anyway, 117 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: that day we go and we pitch a bunch of 118 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: people to sell the show. The next morning, I'm walking 119 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: in the beach of Malibu and I reach out to 120 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: a woman who I used to work lo and Behold 121 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: the Housewife's on. She was one of the producers, like 122 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: in the office producer. She worked at the production company 123 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: running it when we did Housewives back in the scary 124 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 1: Island days, back in like the good vintage Housewife days, 125 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: when it really was real and good and great. I 126 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: called her because I'm in l A and for some 127 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 1: reason she popped into my mind. Okay, this is very weird. 128 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: I text her and I said, do you want to 129 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: get together? I'm in l A pitching a bunch of shows. 130 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 1: I never think about where she works. I don't remember. 131 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 1: I have no idea when she works, and all the 132 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: production companies sound the same, and I don't know anything 133 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: about things going on the end tame in industry. I 134 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: don't really watch TV a lot. I'm up my own ass. 135 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 1: I don't know a lot that's going on. So I said, 136 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: do you want to get together for lunch or have 137 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: a drink while I'm here? And I don't speak to 138 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: her that often at all, like maybe once a year. 139 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: She said, what are you talking about? You're pitching me today. 140 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: I said, I am aware because I wasn't paying attention 141 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: to the meetings that have been set by MGM, like 142 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: that is their part. I cannot claim that I do 143 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: not book meetings. I do not know who's selling to 144 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: I don't know who's buying what. I don't understand streamers 145 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: and networks. Now I do a little, and HBO Max 146 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: is like the creme de la creme. But I didn't 147 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: know anything. So she said, you're pitching me. She said, 148 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: I work at HBO Max were owned by Warner Brothers. 149 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: But I didn't know the difference teen HBO Max and 150 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: you know t J Max. I literally did not know 151 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: the difference, and I thought, okay, great, good Gen O'Connell 152 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 1: was working at HBO X. Yeah whatever that means. I've 153 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: heard of HBO and they're great, Okay, cool. So we 154 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: go when and we picture the big show and the 155 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: little show and we leave after two days and some 156 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 1: people were interested, some people were not. You know, people talk, 157 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: it's a lot of bullshit. You gotta really follow up whatever. 158 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: So it's kind of like you get have one excited 159 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: and you do this book to you get everye to 160 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: bid against each other. So we get a bid from 161 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: HBO Max. HBO Max wants to do the show. Now, 162 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: when I heard that, I was like, okay, you know, 163 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: I didn't understand what it meant. It could have been 164 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: like NBC Online wants to do the show, Domino's Pizza 165 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: wants to do I did not understand anything. So I 166 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: can pretend now that like, yeah, we're on the Greatest 167 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: streamer and they do the Flight Attendant and they undoing 168 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: is on there and they're like the greatest. But I 169 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: didn't know anything, and to just happen to have called 170 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: Jen who's worked with me years ago and has said 171 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: during this production, when we almost shut it down after 172 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: a day because I didn't think it was going to 173 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: be the level that I needed it to be at, 174 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: she said, you aren't charge. You can shut this show down. 175 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: You make the show what you want. You are my 176 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: secret weapon. This woman is the reason that I was 177 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: on the Housewives when Bravo didn't want me on the Housewives. 178 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: She knew me from the Apprentice years ago and pushed 179 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: me through to beyond the Housewives when they didn't want 180 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: me on. And then years later, I just just asking 181 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: her to get a drink and she says to me, 182 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: you're pitching us later, And then we're in there and 183 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: MGM and Mark Burnett have never sold a show at 184 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: HBO Max. You've never bought a show from them. And 185 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: she bought it not because of the juggernaut power of 186 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: Mark Burnett and MGM. She brought it because of Bethany Frankel. 187 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: She brought it because of my relationships and keeping in 188 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: touch with people and be incredible And whether you like 189 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: me or not like me, I'm just telling you the truth. 190 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: And all of that ship so all of that is 191 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: like true and networking, etcetera. But it's also a lot 192 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: of luck. The luck that HBO Max would become this 193 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: pinnacle and this incredible place that my show lives and 194 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: can thrive and be the high quality product that it is, 195 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: and the luck that I would text gen O'Connell that day, 196 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: and the luck that she would just have seen me 197 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: on the Apprentice years ago and pushed me through for 198 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 1: the Housewives. And so I've been thinking about where luck 199 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: and integrity and drive and determination collide and uh converge. 200 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: So that could be a boring story. I have no idea, 201 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: but it involves a lot about connecting who you see 202 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: on the way up is who you see on the 203 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 1: way down who you are, and your personal life is 204 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: who you are in your business life. And luck is great, 205 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: and recognize when there is luck, even if it's after 206 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: the fact. It occurred to me yesterday that there was 207 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: just some luck in that that HBO Max didn't become Quimby, 208 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: and that they just did everything right, play their cards 209 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: right and became HBO Max. So I'm excited to say 210 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: the least success is the intersection of hard work, opportunity 211 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: and luck so tell me, tell me about your relationship 212 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: to luck and when luck and opportunity meet, are you 213 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 1: able to see that either before, during, or after it happens. 214 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: My guest today is Griffin Johnson. He started out his 215 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,839 Speaker 1: career on TikTok, where he has grown is following to 216 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 1: ten million, but he's also an entrepreneur, launching Animal Capital 217 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: in March as a co founder and operating partner. Today 218 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: we talk about the importance of good bedside manner, how 219 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: luck combined with hard work equal success, while you need 220 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: to know what your personal brand is and why quality 221 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: over quantity is important, including in relationships. I really love 222 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: chatting with Griffin, and I think you really enjoy this episode. 223 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: So this is Griffin Johnson for anybody who doesn't know, 224 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: because he's a young man and some of us are 225 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: older women and men. And uh, he's a success story. 226 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: And we talked before on a clubhouse together about what 227 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: your brand is. So I want to get into that 228 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: a little bit today. You're gonna say it might be 229 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 1: boring about business, but I think it's good for you 230 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: and maybe I'll learn something you didn't already know. Okay, 231 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: So would you like to ask some questions She's a 232 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: very sweet, not spoiled, nice girl. That is just she's 233 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: just a sprinkle. She's like a rainbow as a person. 234 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: So what would you like to ask me? Oh, what's 235 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: your favorite TikTok dance? Oh? Okay? So I actually learned 236 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: this the hard way. Um. We were in Miami this 237 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: past week and we had at the halftime show for 238 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 1: the Heat game, Miami Heat, and they asked us to 239 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: do TikTok dances and I realized, the only one that 240 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: I know how to do is the Corvette one. You 241 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: know that one? So that has to be my favorite 242 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: because it's the only one I know how to do. Oh, 243 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 1: so you're not a dancer? I mess around sometimes in 244 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: the guys videos, but I've always been known as the 245 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: worst dancer. Okay, So you're living, You're being committing to that. 246 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: And by the way, you know how sometimes you say 247 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: you're not a great singer, brand, but you commit and 248 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: that's why it's enjoyable to watch you sing. So have 249 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: you seen him on TikTok? And did you mind that 250 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: he's not a good dancer? Brand? I think he's a 251 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: good dancer. You do? I mean, maybe I'm just selling it. 252 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: I don't know. See, That's what I say is he's committed. 253 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: Why because he's funny? What he just like naturally doesn't 254 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: care that much, That's why. And she doesn't lie, so 255 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: she would tell all right, Well that's Burns big business questions. 256 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: You could be part of the podcast every week. I 257 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: should have had you asking Mark Cuban questions when he 258 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:11,239 Speaker 1: was here. He's on the Shark Tank. He's smart. Okay. 259 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: So basically I want to understand about you. A lot 260 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: of people probably ask you about, you know, all the 261 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: dating and the drama and the houses and all that 262 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: stuff and that. I'm sure Breow wants to hear that, 263 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: but I want to hear about what makes you different. 264 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: So how did you grow up? Yeah? So I grew 265 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: up in a small town called Paris, Illinois. I think 266 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: there's eight thousand people, very small farm community. Everyone knows everybody, 267 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: and I grew up really simple. Um. I never thought 268 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: that something like this would really be in my future. 269 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: I never watched TV or like had TV really growing up, 270 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: and I started working at twelve. So I don't know 271 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: if you're familiar with the tassling, but uh, you basically 272 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: detassel corn. Once I got to the age of working. 273 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: It basically became sports and work in school. That was 274 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: about it for me. So you have a good work ethic. 275 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: You you what we're taught young that you work for 276 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 1: earning money, You work for what you get. As soon 277 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: as I was able to get a job, from then on, 278 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: it was working every summer. And what about siblings. I've 279 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: a younger brother, he's well, he just turned nineteen, and 280 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: is he involved in this whole world too? Does he 281 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: care about any of this stuff? No? He uh, he's 282 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: the complete opposite of me. He does like a lot 283 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: of construction work. Okay, so what do your parents think 284 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: of all this? Because this must be scary. Yeah, so 285 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: my parents, Um, actually, my dad doesn't have any social media. 286 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 1: In fact, he has like a really crappy smartphone that 287 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: barely works, so he like keeps up a little bit. 288 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: But yeah, he has no clue. Um, and I think 289 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: my mom only knows because she's actually, um a nurse, 290 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: and all of her nurse friends at work tell her 291 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: I don't think she actually watches it, so they're kind 292 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: of out of the loop. But whenever I first left, 293 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: I was in nursing school at the time, so whenever 294 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: I told him I was thinking about moving out to 295 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: l A. They were like completely mind blown. So that 296 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: was a very interesting conversation. They thought it was you 297 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: would get chewed up and spit out, or they don't 298 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: like the superficiality of it, or they were nervous that 299 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 1: their baby was grown up? What was what was it? Um? 300 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: It was kind of a combo because I was already 301 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: two and a half years in the nursing school, UM, 302 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: and I was doing really well, So that was one part. Also, 303 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: they were kind of growing up with the you know, 304 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: you go to college, you get at nine to five, 305 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: you get paid well, and you kind of just live 306 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: your life. So that's all they really knew. And on 307 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: top of that, they had never been to l A. 308 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: And they were just a small town, so all they 309 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: had ever heard is, you know, l A is crazy. 310 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: L A is like wild, you know you see all 311 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: the celebrities and Um. The big thing for them was 312 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: actually drugs. They were worried about me getting on drugs 313 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: moving to l A. And they were now about the 314 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: same stuff where they have seen you prove yourself and 315 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: they have more faith. Have they been to l A also? Uh? Yeah, 316 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: they visited me twice. I don't think it's their favorite place, 317 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: but they enjoyed seeing what I do. And I would 318 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: say that now that they're proud of me and they 319 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: trust me at this point, but it took a lot 320 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: of proving myself to get there. Okay, And how long 321 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: is nurse nursing school? So you left early, right? Yeah? 322 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: So I actually had a year left, well a year 323 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: and half a semester left. Do you think you'll ever 324 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: go do it? Just to have that? Um? Well, I'm 325 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: actually finishing college right now, but I switched to business 326 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: management marketing, so I have three each left of school 327 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: and then I'm done. But you're a caretaker, I guess 328 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: if you were going to nursing school, so that that 329 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: comes in handy and it's probably the ladies probably like that. 330 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: I mean they you have a good bedside manner should 331 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: be part of your That should be part of your 332 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: marketing materials. You have a good bedside manner? You think? 333 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: Should I start pitching that? I don't. I think it's 334 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: not terrible that you went to I think you can 335 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: play that. I think it's true you went to nursing school, 336 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: and you can just say I have a good bedside manner, 337 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: so people could take that however they want. It's good 338 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: to have a good bedside manner in business and in 339 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: relationships as well. So I could be your mom. And 340 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: a lot of time the reason I I didn't even 341 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: really know besides my daughter, that TikTok and you know 342 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: what it really meant in the world. But I started, Uh, 343 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: I had people start reaching out to me. Who was 344 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: the guy who first reached out to me was a 345 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: Bryce Hull right, so he came on. He wanted me 346 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: to be on his Forbes podcast, and I'm I was 347 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: being reached out by I think one of the Damilia's 348 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: or somebody else's mom. So a lot of them ash 349 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: oar Angel's mom. A lot of the moms started reaching 350 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: out to me and telling their kids talked to her. 351 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: I wanted you know, she's an entrepreneur and she built 352 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: something from nothing, and so I think this is sort 353 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: of my connection to this TikTok world. So did you 354 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: have you heard of me? Like? Do you? Before that 355 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: we would talk to Clubhouse and Michael told you, do 356 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: you have any idea who I am or what I 357 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: am in the world. Um, So whenever I heard of 358 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: you was actually through like whenever we started getting into 359 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: our investments in business, um, your name and come up 360 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: through like I'm just speaking to people, and I think 361 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: that like the first time I actually knew what you 362 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: did was in clubhouse that day. Yeah, so you basically 363 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: your whole background from reality and building your brand. That's 364 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: kind of like whenever I figured it out, and that 365 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: day I said to you what I said to Josh 366 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: Richards for those of you who don't know, a very big, 367 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 1: famous TikTok are very successful, nice, nice, well raised young man. Also, 368 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: he was explained, telling me his whole resume about everything 369 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: he was doing. But I was asking what his brand 370 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: was and he didn't have it, and you were sort 371 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: of doing a similar thing. You were a little more 372 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: deep into it, but you were telling me the things 373 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: you were working on. So I wanted to know, now 374 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: that we've had some time since we first met, what 375 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: just described for people listening, what is your brand? Doesn't 376 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: have to only be this thing that you're doing other things? 377 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: What is your brand? Yeah, I knew you were actually 378 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 1: gonna ask you this. I was waiting for it, um, 379 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: because you always say do your homework. So the thing 380 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 1: is is, like I wouldn't say necessarily that I have 381 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: my actual brand yet. UM, And I've continued and especially 382 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: since I talked to you last UM, we've been building 383 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: out like who we want to be, and I feel 384 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: like the brand is still coming along with say like 385 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: eventually building out products. Josh just kind of finding his way. 386 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: He just started, you know, his production company and it's 387 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: called cross Check and now he's starting to build things 388 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: out underneath that brand and uh and that name. So 389 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: for me right now, I'm actually working on my own 390 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 1: production company and getting that started. So and that kind 391 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: of goes into the acting space. We've kind of build 392 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: out our business and we have the name Animal Capital. Okay, 393 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: but actually, like my brand itself, I don't have. I 394 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: wouldn't say that I have it. I would say that 395 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 1: I'm currently still building it. By building out all of 396 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 1: the different verticals of who I am, Well, it would 397 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: help you to think about what it And for people 398 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: listening at home, it's very common that people know what 399 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: they're doing and know what they want to do, but 400 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: they may not understand what their brand means. And it 401 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: does change mine. For Skinny Girl is practical solutions for women, 402 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: but for Bethany it's elevated solutions for women and the 403 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 1: differences that skinny girls. That girl could be someone twenty five, 404 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,199 Speaker 1: she's cute. See, it could be a you know, a 405 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: grandmother drinking the cocktails or eating the popcorn. But it's 406 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: a little more flirty, young and whimsical. But now I'm 407 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: older and I'm a mom, and I'm a philanthropist and 408 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: a serious businesswoman. So Bethany, when I launched that as 409 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 1: a new brand, that meant something very different. It had 410 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: my name. I'm doing swimwear under Bethany because that's a 411 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: woman's brand, and I don't want to call a bathing 412 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: suit skinny girl because it might, you know, intimidate some people. 413 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,360 Speaker 1: And um also, if I were to do let's say 414 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 1: betting or home or something like a fragrance, I wouldn't 415 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: call that skinny girl. So it's a new brand. And 416 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: so I've obviously evolved too, I think for you, because 417 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 1: on TikTok listen, you often have to evolve your own 418 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: brand too. Part of what people see about you is 419 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 1: it you're good looking, that they have a crush on you, 420 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: that the girls probably really like you, and that you 421 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: know you're on TikTok. So you must know how to 422 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 1: dance or music or all this, and that you're a 423 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 1: bro and you're a guy's guy and all that's great. 424 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: But I think what's most interesting about you that people 425 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: would be surprised by, like I was, is that you 426 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: grew up with very humble beginnings and that your parents 427 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: you know, you're very um, You're very humble. Your corn 428 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: fed literally, I mean you literally. So I feel that 429 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: your brand it's not about what you're doing, it's about 430 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 1: who you are, Like if you live and breathe it, 431 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 1: it's like if it comes out from who you are, 432 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 1: then it'll be so easy for you to say what 433 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: it is because it'll just make so much sense. I 434 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: feel like you're trustworthy because just because you're a good 435 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: looking guy who lives in one of these houses doesn't 436 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 1: mean that you're going to go run around and do 437 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 1: drugs and be a partner of me an idiot. So 438 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 1: I feel like letting people know that you're serious as 439 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 1: a young man is important because you want to transcend 440 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 1: the world of just superficial TikTok stuff people. You want 441 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: people to think you're smart and like have twenty five 442 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: minutes of fame, not just fift team. That's my opinion. 443 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: You know, education is and I've talked to you about 444 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: this before. Education is big um. And we've kind of 445 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: spiled that into financial literacy for our followers. And I've been, 446 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: you know, putting out a lot of tweet threads and 447 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: kind of sharing my journey into investing and trying to 448 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: help people understand how important it is to save their 449 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: money and put it into other places. So that's like 450 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: one piece that I've really been working out from and 451 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: building a brand off of. And you know, I'm looking 452 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 1: to do a lot of things with that and shows, 453 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: you know, whatever it may be. I just thought of 454 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: something for you because you guys are bros, but you 455 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 1: can be smart. I thought of something for you, bro 456 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 1: smart like and then someone would say what is that, 457 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: And you'd say, like, we're fun loving guys. We like 458 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 1: to have fun. We're twenty two years old or whatever 459 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 1: your friends are too, and we like the party and 460 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: have fun. But we're smart people, so we you know, 461 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,360 Speaker 1: it's work hard, play hard. I mean that's a lot 462 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 1: of what your brand sound Your brand sounds like work hard, 463 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: play hard. I would say, work hard and play harder Honestly, 464 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: that's the whole you know memo here is we're trying 465 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: to work now so then you know down the road 466 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 1: we can we can relax. Okay, well that sounds close 467 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: to it. We might be onto something here, I think 468 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,199 Speaker 1: so I do. I think it's brands are very simple. 469 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 1: You could say it in five seconds and you understand 470 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,239 Speaker 1: what it is. But that's what I'm getting at. If 471 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,199 Speaker 1: people think that you guys are fun loving bros, but 472 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: you're really smart, that's all you really need. Are you 473 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: more lucky or smart? If you have to give our 474 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: percentage to the luck you've had in your life to 475 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: this point or the intelligence, what do you What do 476 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: you think? Um Man? I would say, like usually I 477 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: say I'm not a lucky person, but when you say 478 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: it like that, it's probably it's probably been fifty for me. Honestly, 479 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: I think that I had a lot of luck in 480 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: the beginning. They kind of like get here and kind 481 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: of how it all worked out nursing school and TikTok 482 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: and because I was really just dumb luck because I 483 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: didn't know what I was doing and it just kind 484 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 1: of worked out. I think because I didn't care about 485 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: like social media, didn't know what was happening, but I 486 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: would say definitely now. To get to this point, Um, 487 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: you know, it took a lot of maneuvering, a lot 488 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 1: of hustle to kind of continue to keep myself relevant, 489 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: stay on top, and also like build out businesses and 490 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 1: maintaining relationships and content everything. Like I would say, a 491 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: lot of it just came down to smarts in the 492 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 1: second half. So it's it's smart luck. I like that too. 493 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 1: For you, smart luck is another good smart luck. Smart 494 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,959 Speaker 1: luck goes with the whole you know, and hard harder. 495 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: So what's your relationship to money? So you obviously have 496 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,959 Speaker 1: more of it now your family must have opinions about that, 497 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: but also are you scared you're going to lose it? 498 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: Are you saving? Are you smart with it? At your age, 499 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: I had no relationship to money. I had night and 500 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,959 Speaker 1: I didn't make any until I was in my late thirties. 501 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: So you have to learn how to have a good 502 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 1: relationship with money now. Yeah. Um, for me, money like 503 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: it's not my necessarily main driving force right now. It's 504 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: I'm trying to build content, build things that are gonna 505 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: create longevity for my career. But with the money that 506 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: I have made a lot of it has gone into 507 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: angel investing, so I've already put a lot of my 508 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: capital into companies that I believe in. But other than that, 509 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,719 Speaker 1: it's saving for taxes obviously because of California, and uh, 510 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: a little bit of leisure spending. But for the most part, 511 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: like I try to get everything for free and use 512 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 1: my following to get free, closed or free whatever it 513 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: is that I need. So that's been working out really well. 514 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: That's honest. I like the honesty and that most people 515 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 1: aren't honest about that. Okay, well good, Yes, save your money. 516 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: This is amazing. You're setting yourself up, and I hope 517 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: you're investing wisely and have someone helping you out because 518 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 1: it's complicated. You have good people helping you with managing 519 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: the money. Yeah, we've been very fortunate. So, um, we've 520 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: got a lot of good bagging from light speed to coil, 521 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: like a bunch of like really awesome people. And when 522 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: you say we, it's who's we. You have a partner? Yeah, 523 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: So my partner is Michael Gruin and Josh Richards, so 524 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: we all work together kind of our own um team. Well, 525 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: that's nice that you say we all the time. You 526 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: guys really are a partnership so good. You've got a 527 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: good team with you. Do not cross over the business 528 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: and the personal with all that drama. I hear about it. 529 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: My daughter told me about the drama with the people, 530 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: the one who is the girlfriend of Josh that hooked 531 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: up with somebody else. It leads me to believe that, Hey, 532 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: you guys are young and stuff's gonna happen. Mean, you 533 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 1: guys are very young and not getting married now. But 534 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: the question is can you can't? You young, good looking, 535 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: successful TikTok social media people date people who aren't in 536 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: the same space. There can only be one peacock in 537 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: a relationship. I just wanted to tell you that very early. 538 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: You can only be one peacock, So you can't date 539 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: another peacock. Everyone's stealing, trying to get light and the attention, 540 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 1: and it's kind of cause problems. So can you date 541 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: not a peacock? Is that possible for you? Um, here's 542 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: what I'm gonna say through my experience. Um, whenever you're 543 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: in social media, whatever, celebrity, whatever it is, never date 544 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: someone more famous than you. And that's something that I 545 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: live high because it always ends up a you're gonna 546 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: get yourself wrecked in the media whenever it ends and 547 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: be like you said, it kind of just leads to 548 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: too much chaos, too many eyeballs, too many people in 549 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: your ears, whether it's fans, managers, the internet, there's always 550 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: a lot going on here and it always leads to failure. 551 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: So I would say the best ways to find someone, um, 552 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 1: you know, and and Michael Bay gave me good advice 553 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 1: on on dating, especially in Hollywood, is like, you know, 554 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: make sure you can find someone outside and venture out 555 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 1: so that way you can divide your relationship from your work. 556 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: And I live by that now. I live by I 557 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: made the mistakes, and I live by you made the 558 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 1: mistakes young. And it's a good it works at any 559 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: level because sometimes all of that excitement and all the 560 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: press and all that fun, and because you're you're excited, 561 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 1: that seems that becomes real, but it's not really real. 562 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: What's real is what's going on you and another person. 563 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: And you also would like to know that something that 564 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: you can trust someone and that they're there for the 565 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: right reasons. You know, you're you're you're a multiple threat. 566 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: Now you have your good looking, you have money, you're successful, 567 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 1: you're famous, Like, it would be very nerve racking to 568 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: be able to figure out how to find out if 569 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: someone's real. I'm sure your mom would have an opinion 570 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: on that too, does now, I'm sure she has an 571 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: opinion on that. So when was the moment that you said, Wow, 572 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 1: I'm successful and it sounds like you feel like you've 573 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: overshot the mark already you thought like, I never thought 574 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: this would happen to me. So are you able to 575 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: appreciate and realize how lucky, how fortun and it you are? 576 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: And when did you realize that you were successful and 577 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: this was going to be amazing ride? Yeah, I mean 578 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: for me, like, I don't know, I think that I realized, Um, 579 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: I have a really hard time reflecting on like the 580 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 1: things that I've done. Usually it's like I'm not there yet. 581 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: I'm not there yet, not yet. But yeah, I think 582 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: that I truly realized I was successful whenever I was 583 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 1: able to put aside all of the chaos of social 584 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: media and the numbers and the followers and I actually 585 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: start focusing on business and longevity. Because at that point 586 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: I realized, you know, this is the moment where I 587 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: can divide my life from all of the pettiness and 588 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: I actually create something that's gonna generate money for me 589 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: down the road. So that's like kind of whenever I realized, like, wow, 590 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 1: I'm I'm definitely on the right track. And now it's 591 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: kind of, you know, led to amazing things like are 592 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: we we just started our fund and you know, and 593 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: I've been able to take a lot of my money 594 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: and put into companies that are doing right now. So 595 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: I got very lucky there. But like for me, I 596 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 1: just thought my self is successful whenever I was able 597 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 1: to divide myself from all of the drama. That's nice. 598 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: It's good to have parents that are a little bit 599 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 1: strict who got you into philanthropy. So young you care 600 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 1: about helping other people. You really think about it. You're 601 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: very young to be this aware without someone telling you 602 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: have to think about it, So it sounds like it's 603 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: really coming. A lot of the things that driving force 604 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: in my investments was the nursing bad gun and helping people. 605 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: There's a lot of things that I invest in that 606 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: are like either helping creators because obviously my badguyd and 607 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 1: social media helping other people. So a lot of med 608 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,479 Speaker 1: tech is a big focus of mine and also like 609 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: healthy CpG products, So in anything health and fitness, um, 610 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: you know, we have some we have a lot of 611 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: stuff that's with actually working out and helping people. So 612 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: for me, like it was, investing was more about what 613 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: I cared about and finding companies that was like either 614 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: A I can promote that or B I support their message. 615 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: So I think that the reason I got into entrepreneurship 616 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: was a little bit of you know, Michael in the 617 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: back end obviously helping me and guiding me and introduced 618 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: me to the right people and where to put my 619 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: money and getting me in those cap tables and those 620 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: people that can supply me with all of the companies 621 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: that are raising and um really getting me in the 622 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: doors there. But afterwards, I wouldn't say it was actual 623 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: like entrepreneurship itself. It was more like finding things that 624 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: I like and and finding companies that I like and 625 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: putting my money into those because I had an idea 626 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: that could help them um or an idea that could 627 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: help push them further, or I could personally do it 628 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: myself and help further their branded message. Who keeps you 629 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: grounded and who do you trust? Yeah? This is you 630 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 1: know this is an uh an ever changing question. I mean, 631 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: at the at the end of the day, it's it's 632 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: Michael Gruin Josh in my family. There's been a lot 633 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: of other people in the mix that have been cut out, 634 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: And I made a lot of mistakes early, trusting too 635 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: many people. Um, I had a really big, you know, 636 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: friend group, and thought that things would work out. And 637 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: here we are year and a half later, and I've 638 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: basically got funneled all the way down to Michael, Josh 639 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: and my family, which is where it all started and 640 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: ironically where it's all ended. So I think. I always 641 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: say things often end up the way they start out. 642 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: That's very interesting in circles full circle. So my daughter's 643 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: had some girl drama. She's ten turning eleven very soon, 644 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: and I tell her, sorry, but most of these friends 645 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: you may get lucky, but most of these friends you 646 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: probably won't know when you're older. So don't get so 647 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: upset about these dis minutia and this drama and like 648 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: a little bit of bullying and just start of being 649 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: girls stuff. So how many good friends do you have 650 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: from when you were ten years old? I always say, 651 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: if you can have two good friends, then you're beyond blessed. 652 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: Two good friends if you even if you have one, 653 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: you're lucky. But you know, two is like crazy. Less 654 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: is more quality versus quantity, which, by the way, uh, 655 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: it sounds like you would enjoy the bucket theory that 656 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: I talked about, where I'd rather have fewer buckets full 657 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,719 Speaker 1: then more buckets have full. So you're being approached by 658 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 1: so many different things. We just talked about staying grounded. 659 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: And you don't have a family, you don't have kids. 660 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: You you have more time so you can do time 661 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: sucks and you can have fun and live your life. 662 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: But I will say as you get older, time will 663 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: become more and more valuable. And it's important to figure out, 664 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: whether through philanthropy or business, or money or enjoyability, what 665 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: has the greatest return on investment, the greatest r o I. 666 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: So that will make your life so easy to just 667 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: say I'd rather just do these six things because that's 668 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: just taken up all my time and I'm making any 669 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: money and having an enjoyment out of it. And that's 670 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: the quality versus quantity perspective. Just like having two friends 671 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: that are good great versus twenty that are average. Yeah, Um, 672 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: I think that's a great point, especially like kind of 673 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: how we've been through social media and you know, every 674 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: everything that we've got into there's like a million things 675 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: going on. And it started off like I was hungry 676 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: and I didn't know what to do, and social media's 677 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: are very short term games, so I was kind of 678 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: scrambling to try to find my longevity in my career. 679 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: So I had all of these things, and I eventually 680 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: realized that I was just you know, going half in 681 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,959 Speaker 1: on a lot of things and not full. So in 682 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: the past three months, what I've been doing is cutting 683 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: everything out, and it hurts because it's like cutting out 684 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: this deal with money and cutting out this you know, 685 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: this investment, even though like it could have made me, 686 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: you know, fifty x, like whatever it is. But um 687 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: now I'm really honing in on Minecraft and what I want. 688 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: So it can be kind of painful. Sometimes it's the 689 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: big picture. It's the chessboard, not not playing checkers. So 690 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: tell me about these houses. So for those listening, the 691 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: TikTok or is the the big the famous TikTokers with 692 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: all the followers. They all live in these cool houses 693 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,719 Speaker 1: that someone's paying for, sponsors are paying for and they 694 00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: get to just live there and hang out and have 695 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: fun and do these dance I mean it's crazy, and 696 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: do these dances and videos and get paid for all 697 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: this and live a great fun life. So tell me 698 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: about this house structure. Haven't that's big and smallst you 699 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: can let them into? How many um houses are there now? Yeah? 700 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna be completely honest with you. I don't 701 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: really pay attention to TikTok that much anymore. Um, I 702 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: know that. Yeah, Um, I'm aware of uh, you know 703 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: two houses. There's still the Hype House and um there's 704 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: another girl house. I don't remember the name because they've 705 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: changed it like four times. But you're not in a house, no, no, no, 706 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: So I live with Josh and Michael and Anthony Anthony Reeves. 707 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: Oh okay, but you know, and you never lived in 708 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: one of these houses. No, I did. That's how I 709 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: started off. So we had our house called the Sway House. 710 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: But you know, we eventually, all of us, we kind 711 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: of had a wild start, you know, and then we 712 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,479 Speaker 1: kind of said, all right, we're tired of getting in trouble. 713 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: So um, we kind of dispersed and all went on 714 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: our different career paths. And you know, we can we 715 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: still do stuff together a little bit here and there, 716 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 1: but like as far as like a contenthouse with a 717 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: bunch of people living in it and being in the 718 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: drama and being in this and that, I just kind 719 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: of outgrew that phase. Okay, good, So that was the distractions? Okay, great, 720 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: all right, well then check that box. So how has 721 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 1: the pandemic blown this whole thing up? This world, this 722 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: social media world, your career, like it's it's okay to 723 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: be thriving during the pandemic and it sounds like you 724 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: got organized. How has this pandemic affected your business, your 725 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 1: life success, all of that. Yeah, I mean I think, 726 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: and I don't want to say this in like, you know, 727 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: an insensitive way, but for me, like quarantine and COVID 728 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: was like a rocket ship for my business, A rocket ship. Yeah, 729 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 1: it was like a rocket ship for me because from 730 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 1: my social media side, it allowed me to, you know, 731 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 1: have all of these people at home watching content and 732 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: digesting content all day. And on top of that, we 733 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: couldn't really do anything. We couldn't travel, like, so we 734 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,799 Speaker 1: were just stuck at home making content for everyone else 735 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 1: to watch. So, um it blew our following up like 736 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: it was, you know, the biggest time of all of 737 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,919 Speaker 1: our careers at that point, and everyone was just sitting 738 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,839 Speaker 1: there watching us. So that helped because it kind of 739 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 1: you know, trickled into business because I had this massive audience, 740 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 1: all of these eyeballs at the time, and you know, 741 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 1: people obviously wanted to harness that for their companies, so 742 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: it was super super crucial. And not only that, but 743 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 1: being remote and being online, we can do twelve phone 744 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 1: calls in a day, twelve meetings. There's no more you know, launches, 745 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: or there's no more in person meetings where it takes 746 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 1: an hour of travel, and our this and that, like 747 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: we were able to you know, expedite everything we were 748 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: doing just for the fact that we could access people 749 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: over the phone and it was you know normal, So 750 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 1: you were able. You were very efficient about the pandemic 751 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: and you saw the opportunity. And this is like when 752 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 1: people have to build a rocket ship while it's launching. 753 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: So the rocket ship was launching, but you have to 754 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: buckle up and get organized and you have to see 755 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 1: where the fish are fishure over there, So we're going 756 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 1: over there, and you created an efficiency with your time 757 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 1: and you just hustled it and made sure that you're 758 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: planting seeds which will I believe, grow into big, big 759 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,280 Speaker 1: forests and trees after this pandemic for many people obviously, 760 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 1: not just people in social media. Being home and sitting 761 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 1: still gives us time to rework the way we've been 762 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: thinking about things that we've been working and in many 763 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:26,800 Speaker 1: ways save money on travel, on office space, on you know, staff, 764 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,360 Speaker 1: things like that. That's luck when you're not being insensitive, 765 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 1: because it's been a terrible time for people, with some 766 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: people have thrived. What about the pressure Do you feel pressure? Um? Yeah, 767 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of times. I think the 768 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,320 Speaker 1: biggest pressure for me is is um, like I was 769 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 1: kind of saying that the social media careers can be 770 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 1: very short term because a lot of the content is 771 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,879 Speaker 1: based more on like the drama and the now than 772 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: it is like an actual art or an actual niche 773 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,799 Speaker 1: or like something you're doing that people like I want 774 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 1: to stick around for for a long time. So I 775 00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,879 Speaker 1: think the biggest pressure right now is making sure that 776 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,720 Speaker 1: I'm building out things and building out verticals and hopefully 777 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: eventually transitioning more into Hollywood and actually like creating a 778 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 1: career that I want and acting and hosting TV. So yeah, 779 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 1: that's the biggest pressure for me right now is just 780 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: making sure that I'm able to still strike why the 781 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 1: iron is hot. Okay, building but still you know, the 782 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: thing is you have to do things that have sizzle 783 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,799 Speaker 1: because their action and they're easy money. But then you 784 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,399 Speaker 1: also have to do things that have longevity to give 785 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 1: to take the low hanging fruit, but you also have 786 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: to build for the future. Do you have a role model? 787 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 1: Do you have someone who you've looked up to or 788 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 1: someone who you thought about when you were a kid 789 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,879 Speaker 1: or now. Um, I wouldn't say necessarily have like one 790 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: role model. I have a lot of like great mentors. Um. 791 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: You know, one of them is Tyler Winkle Boss And 792 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,759 Speaker 1: the reason that you know he's great for me is 793 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,760 Speaker 1: because started off in school, was in the Olympics for rowing, 794 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 1: and now he's like building companies and doing things and um. Yeah. 795 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 1: So it's been people that have picked me up along 796 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 1: the way. I've never had someone I don't think that 797 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 1: I've sat down and like really tried to emulate or 798 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: like you know, tried to build myself off of. It's 799 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: just people that I've met along the way. That's me too, 800 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 1: And a lot of people always ask that question, and 801 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,839 Speaker 1: I have the same You just the toolbox. You take 802 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: different tips from different people, and sudden you throw away. 803 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 1: You just sort of ultimately make your own decision. It's 804 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,920 Speaker 1: our truth is it's your face, it's your name on 805 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: the line, and it's going to all boil down to 806 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,839 Speaker 1: your signature. That's how it really is going to go. Um. 807 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 1: Do you feel like you're a role model? Do you 808 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,360 Speaker 1: think about that? Does that feel like it has a 809 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:35,319 Speaker 1: level of pressure and and that young girls and men 810 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 1: look up to you. I think that I'm, like you 811 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,839 Speaker 1: kind of said, a tool in the toolbox. I think 812 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that people can can learn 813 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 1: from me, and a lot of things, like especially on 814 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: the business side, that they can take away because I'm 815 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,320 Speaker 1: young and I'm kind of like figuring things out still, 816 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,360 Speaker 1: I don't think of myself as necessarily like an actual 817 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 1: mentor because I'm still learning and trying to figure out myself. Um, 818 00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,399 Speaker 1: but I definitely think that, and I know and hope 819 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 1: that people are able to see not only like what 820 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 1: I do good, but also what I've done bad and 821 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,960 Speaker 1: they can relate to that, whether it's from a relationship standpoint, 822 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,919 Speaker 1: whether it's from a career standpoint, Um, things that I've 823 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,799 Speaker 1: said that maybe weren't good or whatever it is. I 824 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,360 Speaker 1: just think that everything that I do is so public 825 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,439 Speaker 1: now that I just hope people can see the good 826 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 1: and the bad and learn. Okay, So, um, what's the 827 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 1: best advice you've been given? Oh? I think some of 828 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: the best advice that I've gotten is pertaining to if 829 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 1: something is not working, they cut your losses. Yeah. So 830 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,759 Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest thing that I should have 831 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 1: used in the beginning, and if I would have listened 832 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 1: a lot more, would have saved me a lot of heartache. Um, 833 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,839 Speaker 1: you know, ride your winners and cut your losses. Yeah, 834 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,839 Speaker 1: so that's I think it's the best one. And what 835 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:53,799 Speaker 1: about the worst. Um, I think the worst advice I 836 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 1: ever got was, um, basically around the fact that the 837 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,839 Speaker 1: more numbers you have, the more money you make. And 838 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 1: what I mean by that is the more followers and 839 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 1: the more views you get on your content is the 840 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 1: more money basically that you're going to get in return. 841 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 1: And that's completely false And I used to believe that, 842 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,839 Speaker 1: and um, that was kind of me just coming into 843 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,480 Speaker 1: this space very dumb and like not really understanding how 844 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,800 Speaker 1: Hollywood and the system works. But yeah, definitely the worst 845 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,960 Speaker 1: advice I ever got. All Right, well that's good to 846 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,800 Speaker 1: remember it, Okay, So let's play Rose and Thorne Bruno. 847 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 1: We do the best of our day and the worst. 848 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 1: You could do the best of your career and the 849 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 1: worst if you want, or you could do the best 850 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,720 Speaker 1: of your day. But let's do um Rosenthorne, who goes first? Peanut, 851 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,760 Speaker 1: Mommy goes first. Um, you being so patient and sitting 852 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,960 Speaker 1: here because I know you were so excited, but this 853 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 1: is like a real business conversation. This is like a 854 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,319 Speaker 1: big girl conversation. So you're sitting are being such a 855 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,319 Speaker 1: good girl and not just walking out after getting your 856 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,000 Speaker 1: two little questions in that we're only about TikTok um, 857 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 1: because you see, he's not he's not even all about 858 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 1: TikTok at all. He's about so many other things. It's 859 00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 1: one of the many things he does, just like you 860 00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 1: do art and you dance, and you're into fashion and 861 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 1: you're smart and you're sweet. Um, so my roses, you 862 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 1: sitting here and just being such a good girl like 863 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 1: you always are, And um, I don't really think I 864 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:16,600 Speaker 1: have a thorn today, So who goes suck at you? Okay? 865 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 1: So what's your al right? So I would say, um, today, 866 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,160 Speaker 1: my roses that I figured out that I get to 867 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,680 Speaker 1: go home and see my favor so I'm super excited 868 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 1: about that. Um. I would say that my thorn is 869 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,799 Speaker 1: I had a homework assignment that I turned in late 870 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,760 Speaker 1: because I forgot that I had it. Yeah, that's a thorn. 871 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 1: I missed a pretty big assignment, so that one hurts. 872 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 1: What's your rose? Okay, I'm honored. My thorn is going 873 00:41:55,719 --> 00:42:03,200 Speaker 1: to school? Right? What's favorite subject in school? Dismissal dismissals 874 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 1: her favorite subject. You are really so nice, so sweet, 875 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 1: so smart, humble, you understand your honest. You have to 876 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,440 Speaker 1: a great start and I appreciate you taking the time 877 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 1: and it really enjoyed it. Does anything you want to 878 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,880 Speaker 1: ask me? Shoot? But if not, you were amazing. One question. 879 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,920 Speaker 1: Whenever you're looking at these TikTok kids, you're looking at 880 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,759 Speaker 1: the whole space. Um, you know you're more from like 881 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,880 Speaker 1: the traditional like TV. Um, you know you came from reality. 882 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,600 Speaker 1: So what do you think about like social media creators 883 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:35,000 Speaker 1: and why they're kind of seeing less than um? Like 884 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,880 Speaker 1: traditional Hollywood, like whether it's TV people or whatever, Like, 885 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,400 Speaker 1: what do you think it is that makes a social 886 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,319 Speaker 1: media creator lower on the chain? Yeah? Okay, So I 887 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 1: started out on a show with a bunch of women 888 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,680 Speaker 1: screaming at each other and you know, creating drama. Um, 889 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,239 Speaker 1: I always stood out, and I always was working on 890 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,720 Speaker 1: business and I was the first season of my show. 891 00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,240 Speaker 1: I made seven thousand, two fifty dollars for the whole season. 892 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,000 Speaker 1: But I wrote into the tracked, if I ever create something, 893 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,440 Speaker 1: you can't take any of it. So that became a 894 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,040 Speaker 1: big deal when I turned a brand and and sold 895 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 1: the Skinny Girl cocktail portion of the brand to a 896 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,400 Speaker 1: big public company. But not until then was I on 897 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,520 Speaker 1: the map and taken seriously. And even still after all 898 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,239 Speaker 1: of these years, I have literally, like I said, raised 899 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,799 Speaker 1: a hundred million dollars worldwide in three years in a 900 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,600 Speaker 1: relief effort. I had never done relief work in my 901 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,239 Speaker 1: entire life. Um. I have created many shows and ten 902 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,880 Speaker 1: New York Times ten books think five which are New 903 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,200 Speaker 1: York Times bestsellers. And I am smart and I have 904 00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,080 Speaker 1: a business. So that's a hundred million dollar business and 905 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:41,680 Speaker 1: twenty five categories and podcasts and successful deals at I 906 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,280 Speaker 1: heartened real estate investments and all this, and even still 907 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,759 Speaker 1: people will bring back where I came from and act 908 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 1: like that's all that I am. So you will have 909 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:56,400 Speaker 1: to do things to really set yourself apart. And at 910 00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,880 Speaker 1: some point you'll have to have the courage to understand 911 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,120 Speaker 1: how much you need to stay because you can't forget 912 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:03,879 Speaker 1: where you came from. And sometimes you can walk away 913 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,920 Speaker 1: from the nest and then have to go back. So 914 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:07,960 Speaker 1: you can't be too cocky when you think you're bigger 915 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,160 Speaker 1: than the game, because you just don't know what other 916 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,080 Speaker 1: space you're gonna do great, and so you can't, you know, 917 00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,280 Speaker 1: be too bullish on it. Okay, you have to really 918 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,680 Speaker 1: really understand and have a leap of faith, So dance 919 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,840 Speaker 1: with the one who brung you, which is social media, 920 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:25,400 Speaker 1: but really take those next steps and really separate a 921 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 1: little and don't always fall back into this. I mean, 922 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,600 Speaker 1: you have a partner who happens to be doing this, 923 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,120 Speaker 1: but you've got to be on the same program with 924 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,600 Speaker 1: that too, because you don't want to be like associated 925 00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,680 Speaker 1: and just only hang out with all these young kids 926 00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,040 Speaker 1: and this broke stuff and this one, cheat on this 927 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,800 Speaker 1: one and all that barbage. That's all we hear because 928 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,399 Speaker 1: that's all we read, you know, we read about. All 929 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,359 Speaker 1: I read about is the Bachelor and cheat on this 930 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,279 Speaker 1: one and he's really this and he was lying about this, 931 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,000 Speaker 1: and all I read about TikTok is you somebody chead 932 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,560 Speaker 1: on somebody. You know, that's the bullshit. But it's got 933 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:58,120 Speaker 1: to be that. You know, men, businessmen Wall Street. These 934 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,120 Speaker 1: people took me seriously a or that because they were 935 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,360 Speaker 1: like you were on Forbes, you were top one hundred 936 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:07,400 Speaker 1: most powerful, you know, celebrities. You you sold a brand 937 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,440 Speaker 1: like I turned a brand to a public company in 938 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,200 Speaker 1: eighteen months, so like I have street cred and I 939 00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,160 Speaker 1: still have to fight it. So you really have to 940 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,600 Speaker 1: do that dance of what that bridge is going to 941 00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,719 Speaker 1: look like. And then once you make it over, which 942 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,680 Speaker 1: I really believe that I've made it over, don't look back. 943 00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,040 Speaker 1: Remember the fond memories on the other side of that. 944 00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,640 Speaker 1: But you know, grab onto the future. That's really the 945 00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,919 Speaker 1: whole thing. Does that make perfect sense to you? Yes, 946 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,280 Speaker 1: it makes perfect sense. Awesome, you were great. I'm proud 947 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,400 Speaker 1: of you. And tell your parents they raised a very 948 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:42,520 Speaker 1: nice young man. I appreciate it. See you guys, bye, 949 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:51,000 Speaker 1: say bye by nice to meet you. I'm enjoying just 950 00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,520 Speaker 1: the breads and the variety and the gamut of people 951 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,279 Speaker 1: I have on here. And that was a young man, 952 00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:02,360 Speaker 1: Griffin Johnson, who is successful and in a world that 953 00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,480 Speaker 1: many of us don't even understand. So I feel like, 954 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,200 Speaker 1: if you have kids, or if on your own you're 955 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,160 Speaker 1: trying to market to a younger generation, or just understand 956 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,800 Speaker 1: what's going on with the younger generation, or think about 957 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,920 Speaker 1: business in this way, because some of us are becoming dinosaurs. 958 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,480 Speaker 1: It's just interesting to hear um. It's interesting to hear 959 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,759 Speaker 1: a younger generation of entrepreneurs and how they see the 960 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:29,800 Speaker 1: world and how they're monetizing and thinking about their fifteen 961 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:34,479 Speaker 1: minutes of fame. And I have to say the young 962 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,440 Speaker 1: men in particular that I've met through this uh social 963 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,160 Speaker 1: media vehicle and TikTok, they are such nice young men. 964 00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,399 Speaker 1: They are so well raised, they have good families where 965 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,040 Speaker 1: they have good values. Just makes me, gives me, gives 966 00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,800 Speaker 1: me hope in the world. Well, that was Griffin Johnson, 967 00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,920 Speaker 1: and a pleasure to be with you, and to be 968 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:58,879 Speaker 1: with my daughter remembered to create reveal and schefs die. 969 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,720 Speaker 1: That's a kiss, kids, love you all right by everybody 970 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:15,960 Speaker 1: love you too. Just B is hosted an executive produced 971 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,080 Speaker 1: by me Bethany Frankel. Just Be is a production of 972 00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:23,640 Speaker 1: Be Real Productions and I Heart Radio. Our Managing Producer 973 00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,600 Speaker 1: is Fiona Smith and our Producer is Stephanie Stender. Our 974 00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,120 Speaker 1: EP is Morgan Levoy. To catch more moments from the show, 975 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:37,520 Speaker 1: follow us on Instagram at just Be with Bethany