1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: Everybody, what's going on? Thank you all for tuning in 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 1: to the NFL Players Podcast. I'm your host with the 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:13,399 Speaker 1: most Pina Tillman, and today we have a very special guest. 4 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: Y'all get ready because this man played seventeen seasons in 5 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: the NFL and uh, his resume is rather long. Let 6 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: me start it off by saying, he is a eleven 7 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: time All Pro, fourteen Pro Bowls. He made the All 8 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: Decade Team of the two thousands, he is the Hall 9 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: of Famer of the twenty nineteen class, and he is 10 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: a member of the All Century Team. He's got a 11 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: red jacket, y'all, show my god some love for Tony Gonzalez. 12 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: What's going on? Hey, what's up? Beating man? Thanks thanks 13 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 1: for having me. I love that introduction. That that made 14 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: me feel good. Hey man, I when I so, I 15 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: don't know everyone. When I when I do these, I 16 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: don't know everyone's stats. So I look up everyone's stats 17 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: and I'm just like, dang man, this these these brothers 18 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: got some accomplishments, they got some stats. Man, Do you 19 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: know your stats like being retired and everything? Do you 20 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: know most of your stats? Like? Go ahead, sorry, I 21 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: know I know a couple of them. I know, like 22 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 1: how many touchdowns I had because it was a hundred 23 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: and eleven and I don't know that's a lucky number, 24 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: I think, Um, And honestly, I think that's probably about it. 25 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,199 Speaker 1: I mean, I know I went to fourteen Pro Bowls. 26 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: I really never really got caught too much in stats. 27 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: I'm like a live I kept track them, but it 28 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: was never that important to me. Yeah, so we're just 29 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: gonna dive right into this. So I know you got 30 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: this new thing, uh, this acting thing. Tell me tell 31 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: me about acting, man, Like, how did you get involved 32 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: in this whole acting thing? I've been telling people my 33 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: first role. People like, how long you been doing it? 34 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: I said? When My first role was when I was 35 00:01:53,240 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: in fourth grade playing Christopher Columbus's brother uh. At school. 36 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: Me and my brother brother Chris. We remember we were younger. 37 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: We used to always make up little skits. Uh. You know, 38 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: we're from the eighties. Grew up there. So w WF 39 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: was a big deal. So we would do a lot 40 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: of wrestling, kind of stunt man fighting. We would do 41 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: acting out stuff. But as I went through school, I 42 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: took it in junior high acting, Um, I took drama. 43 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: And when I went to Berkeley. Uh, and then when 44 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: I got in the NFL. You know, you start, the 45 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: more success you have, you start doing commercials, you start 46 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: you're able to do, you start having guests roles on shows, 47 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: at sitcoms, and so I get like married to the 48 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: Kelly's I did, uh. I think it was called barbershop. 49 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: I did n C I s I always did things 50 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: like barbershop. When ice Cube not remember they made they 51 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember, but they made a 52 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: sitcom out of it. I forgot the name of it, 53 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: but it was based on barbershop. I got you. I 54 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: forgot the name it. But yeah, I've taken the classes. 55 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: I'm from l A. I mean, I was born Rady's 56 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: in southern California, and I lived out there during every offseason. 57 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: So even while I was playing, I was I was 58 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: always doing some type of drama exercise. Not just because 59 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: I want to be an actor, uh, because obviously I 60 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: was playing football, but really because like to help like 61 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: media training. I always tell guys like, go take an 62 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: acting class if you uh, if this is something you 63 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: want to do, it just in front of the camera 64 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,679 Speaker 1: when you get done playing, because what it does. It 65 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: helps you just get out of your your head, uh, 66 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: and and kind of more focused in the in the moment, 67 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: you know, whether you're getting interviewed or or whether you're 68 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: doing commercials or whether it is you're doing public speaking. 69 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,119 Speaker 1: I think acting, uh, taking acting class is could really 70 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: help a lot of people. What's the hardest thing about acting? Like, 71 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: I know you got a coach, but like, what's what's 72 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: the hardest thing about getting you said, you gotta go 73 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: there mentally, you gotta get in that hit space. Like, 74 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: what's what's the hardest thing about acting? I think you 75 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: know what what? I take a lot of direct line 76 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: to me between football and an acting. Um, I get 77 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: that same you know that that juice that you get 78 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: when when the game comes, because it's just like football. 79 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: At the beginning of the week, you get your your 80 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: plays that you're gonna have, your plays you're gonna run. 81 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: You get your dialogue, you know what your lines. You 82 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,119 Speaker 1: gotta study. Uh, you go through it every every day. 83 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: You're rehearsing it. Just like in practice, you're going over 84 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: the same play over and over and over again. And 85 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: then when it comes time to get on set. It's 86 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:21,799 Speaker 1: the same thing as when it comes time for the game, 87 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: you know, the lights are gonna come on and when 88 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 1: they yell actually and it's time to go, and you 89 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: gotta let go. You gotta let go of all that 90 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,799 Speaker 1: stuff that you've been doing all week, the preparation, and 91 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: let it play. I mean, that's what the best do. 92 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: I mean when when Tom Brady drops back or Patrick 93 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: Mahomes drops back, you know, sometimes you don't know that 94 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: defensive ent is gonna beat your right tackle and you 95 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,119 Speaker 1: gotta go to the ad libe. Now you gotta get 96 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: out of You gotta stay present and be totally focused 97 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: in the moment. Uh. And it's like that with acting. 98 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: It never goes how you think it's gonna go and rehearsal, 99 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the person might do something different, 100 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: might react differently than how you thought they were gonna react, 101 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: and you gotta play with it and you gotta you know, 102 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: and it takes time, and it's hard. It's it is hard. 103 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: It's not an easy thing to do. But you know, 104 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: just like just like playing sports, for us, we've been 105 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: doing this since we were little kids, you know, so 106 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: a lot of people go into acting. If you if 107 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: you everybody, anybody was ever thinking about it. I don't 108 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: think I have struggled. I have gone to these auditions. 109 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: I have got up in front of that acting class 110 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: and made a damn fool of myself, been embarrassed. I 111 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: got horrible. But you gotta have thick skin, just like 112 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: in football and and or anything else worth anything in life, 113 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta have that thick skin and be 114 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: willing to get your ass kicked, be willing to get 115 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: embarrassed in order to to improve. Like one of what's 116 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: one of the most embarrassing things you've done? And uh 117 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 1: say in a reading a script like for for for 118 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: an audition, Well, I've had a bunch of Now I 119 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: guess i gotta pick um. I remember, and I've told 120 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: this story before. I remember at one time they called 121 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: me up the day before and they said, hey, we 122 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: got this great skipt was for some comic book show 123 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: or whatever, and they go, we only give one night 124 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: to to study it. And it was just it was 125 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: basically like a page and a half a dialogue. And 126 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: this is kind of at the beginning. I had had 127 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: some experience. I'm like, you know what, I'm a football 128 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: I'll take it. I'll get it. And so I went 129 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 1: in there the next day. I studied all night and 130 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: I thought I had it, and I went in went 131 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,119 Speaker 1: to the audition, and as soon as she started reading 132 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: it to me, I just it just blinked, like no, 133 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: you're a camera, there's people there, there's producers in the room, 134 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: like it's it's an Immediately I started sweating and I 135 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: started like freaking out inside. My heart start pumping real quick, 136 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: and I'm like looking down at the paper as I'm 137 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: like yeah and uh. Then he went there and I'm 138 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 1: reading it. It sounds like a second grader reading. And 139 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: I got done with it and I looked at her 140 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: and I look and I apologize. I said, I'm sorry 141 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: that that sucks. That was horrible, and she said uh, 142 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: and she looked at me and she goes, yeah, that 143 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: was horrible, and I go and she was kind of 144 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 1: and she started smiling and she goes, you know what, 145 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: read it again. So I read it again, still just 146 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 1: as bad ad and she goes, look relaxed, just do 147 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: it one more time. And I did it one more 148 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: time and maybe got a little bit better, but at 149 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:08,679 Speaker 1: that point I was just like, look, I'm so sorry. 150 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: I'm sorry for wasted me time. I just want to 151 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: get the hell out of here. Uh. And on my 152 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: way out, she looks at me and she does this 153 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: like puts her arms out, uh, and she goes, come here, 154 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: give me a hug. And she gave me like this 155 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: big old hug, which I've learned now that they don't 156 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: do that, because they don't every other audition I've ever 157 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: been in there. It's a very cold place. They're just like, look, 158 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: they're looking for their actors. They got thirty guy people 159 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: coming in there and look just like you, talk just 160 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: like you. They just want to get to their person 161 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: and get you out of there. But this lady was 162 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: so nice to me. But I went out. That's what 163 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: I sat in my car and I just stared just 164 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: looking just like what the hell am I doing? Like 165 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: why am I doing this? Why do Why am I? 166 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: Why am I putting myself to this. I have a job, 167 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: I'm on a desk, I'm a broadcaster, I make good money. 168 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: I've had this great career. Why am I subjecting myself 169 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: to this this torture? But you know, it is what 170 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: it is. It's one of those things when you get 171 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: that calling, you're okay. I just I gotta, I gotta 172 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: do it. So I gotta I gotta story similar to that. Um, 173 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: are you familiar with the Sharknado, the Sharknado series? Right? 174 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: So I did an interview. It was like, oh, yeah, 175 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: you know, I like goofy, you know, corny film Sharknados. 176 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: So whoever, the producer director reached out to me and said, hey, 177 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: we want you to be made the fourth Come be 178 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: with you or something like that. It's the fourth Sharknado. 179 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,679 Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, cool. So they send me my lines. 180 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: I have zero acting experience, none whatsoever. I'm thinking I 181 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,719 Speaker 1: can just all right, yeah, I don't want to be 182 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: an actor, and I've claimed to be an actor. I 183 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: get my script, get my lines, and I'm like, all right, 184 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: I just memorize him, all right. Cool. So then they 185 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: say action camera. I get there. Someone else is reading. 186 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: Little did I know that I had to read with 187 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,959 Speaker 1: somebody to know when I was supposed to save my line. 188 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: So so the guy says his part and I don't 189 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: know what he's done. And it was always like a 190 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: three second pause because I was like, wait, okay, that's 191 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: my line. Hey, y'all still got eyes on the target. 192 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: Then he would say something and then he finished, and 193 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: I'd be like, wait, okay, that's my line, and then 194 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: I would say something else. It was I was so 195 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 1: bad and sharp Nado. They cut me to I had 196 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: three like basically a couple of words. Do you still 197 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: have eyes on the target? That was it. That was 198 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: all I had. I must have had about a paragraph 199 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: of lines. But I was worse than you. Man. They 200 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: they gave me just just that one basic line. Right 201 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: then in there, I realized, you know what, I don't 202 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: think acting is in my career. I don't see acting 203 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,959 Speaker 1: in my future. I was terrible. I was, Oh my god, 204 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: it was I was like you, I just like, what 205 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: am I doing? That's I am? I suck at this, 206 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: this is this is bad. Try doing that. I've done 207 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: that a bunch and that's what it is. I mean, 208 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: if you think back Peter, when you when you played 209 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 1: football you first started at least, I don't know how 210 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 1: I went for you, but for me, you know, you 211 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: get you get your ass kicked it. And that's what 212 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: I have to keep reminded. That's what I kept reminding myself. 213 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 1: It's like it will get better. Just stick to it. 214 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: Your ego can take this. All you gotta do is 215 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: just keep practicing and keep watching and and you know, 216 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: even if I could go back and talk to myself 217 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: back then, I wasn't working hard enough. Like the reason, 218 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: just like when I was younger in football, it was like, 219 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: you know, you can't just get by just because in 220 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: acting or in sports, just because you're big, fast and strong. 221 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: You know this, get that matter. I don't care. I'll 222 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: see you come and go. It's seventeen. That was the 223 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: attitude that took though. I thought, because I'm athletic, I'm like, 224 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: oh yeah, I could just like that's my my attitude 225 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: as an athlete. I think we'm I'm guilty other two 226 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: just you know, I'm athletic, man, I got this. Just 227 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: give it to me. I can't I play in the league. 228 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,199 Speaker 1: I'm in the league. I got that mindset. Oh now, 229 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: humble me so quickly. And that's what I don't respect 230 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: for all the actors out there. And that's what I 231 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: tell a lot of these young guys, well not young guys, 232 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: even I don't care where you're in your career. As 233 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: soon as football is over, just be prepared to know 234 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: that you're gonna go. You have to go through that again. 235 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: You're gonna have to go through that embarrassment or or 236 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:11,719 Speaker 1: you can go play golf. I guess if you've made 237 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: enough money. But if you want to have a second 238 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 1: career at something, you gotta you know, and you've done 239 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: the television. As soon as that red light comes on, 240 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,319 Speaker 1: you realize millions of people are watching. It's it's tough. 241 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: It's something takes a little time to get used to. 242 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: So I know you did some Fox. I did Fox 243 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: too as well. Um, did you have an embarrassing moment 244 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: in Fox? You know what? By the time I got 245 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: to Fox, you know, I started out CBS, so I 246 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: had that was kind of my training ground when I 247 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 1: first got got retired. But yeah, being on that show, 248 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: it's you know, like you like I just said, ah, 249 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: as soon as that light comes on and you realize 250 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: millions of people are watching, uh, and you can't in 251 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: the difference between live television broadcasting and acting. Honestly, I 252 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: think the broadcasting. And I've talked to a lot of 253 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: actors too, They're like, man, I could never do what 254 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 1: you do on Sunday because there is no Hey, let's 255 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 1: redo that one. Okay, that wasn't good enough, let's let's 256 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: go again. This is like, no, it's live television. Whatever 257 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: you say is on on there forever. Uh. And you know, 258 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 1: for me, I just read my heart poping out. I 259 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: remember losing my my train of thought. You do that 260 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: a lot, but that's where you know it comes to 261 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: you gotta have good teammates, somebody who can see that. 262 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: Now that I'm kind of the vetteran guy on the desk, 263 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: and we have new guys, I can see that. Uh. 264 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: And like when Michael Vick came on, it was kind 265 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: of his first time doing it, and it's like, Okay, 266 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 1: don't worry about it, Michael. If I if I see 267 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: any type of struggle and I'm gonna loosen it up 268 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: and okay, and I can come to your rescue. And 269 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: luckily at CBS had had great people. Jb uh, James 270 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: Brown is one of the best. It was a great host. 271 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: Coach Kauer was great. So it was it was just 272 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: a good atmosphere to learn the train. Yeah. I had 273 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: a couple of oh I shouldn't said a couple I 274 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: had one of those episodes where all lost my train 275 00:12:55,840 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: of thought and I was like, huh. The Denver Raiders 276 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: and the and the Oakland Broncos. I'm yeah, it was 277 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: they made fun of me so bad. Man. I was 278 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,599 Speaker 1: so embarrassed. I was like, Yo, I'm sorry, guys, I 279 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,319 Speaker 1: I lost my train of thought. Uh yeah, I apologize. 280 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: But yeah, Live TV pretty difficult acting. I think it's 281 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: even more difficult. So I want to I want to 282 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 1: talk about um, this new project that you got going 283 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: on right now. It's called Long Slow ex Hiale. And 284 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: you play the father of a girl who plays basketball. 285 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: Right being that you played basketball college high school, you 286 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: know you're you're a natural hooper um and you you 287 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: you are a dad. Is this role kind of easy 288 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,239 Speaker 1: to play since you have a little bit of a background. 289 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: I think from that perspective, yes, because I remember when 290 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: they when they first said, hey, we want you to 291 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: um um. Anton Cropper, the director and one of the 292 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: executive produce since I met him at a party uh 293 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: in l A. I was at Jessica Alba's house to 294 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: celebrate her husband cash his birthday, and I met this 295 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 1: guy and he said, hey, uh, you know, I would 296 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: love for you to read for this part. Uh. And 297 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: you know it's I can't just give it to you, 298 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: but I think you'd be perfect for it. Was an 299 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: ex football player is what I'm playing in the show. 300 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: He goes. But that's where it stops, Like, yeah, you 301 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: can relate because you played in the NFL, and yeah 302 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: you have kids, but it's still acting. And it was 303 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: such as it's a real meaty role. Um, it's about it. 304 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: You know, the relationship that I have with my daughter, 305 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: I could draw from that with my children. But that's 306 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: that's where it ends. That's where you have to do 307 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: the work. You gotta build the story. You gotta you 308 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: gotta go out there and and and build that camaraderie 309 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: with your co workers. With my daughter, her name was 310 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: was Brief and she and she did a hell of 311 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: a job. We were, you know, rehearsing. You start to 312 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: rebuild that report just like you went on the desk 313 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: when you did television. You start to get that timing down. Uh. 314 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: But I loved it. I mean I loved it. It 315 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: was it was such a deep role layered. Uh. And 316 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: you know, I brought out the best in me and 317 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: I'm pretty proud of what I was able to do. 318 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: But to be able to be around such great people, 319 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: to the actors, I was able to work with and 320 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: the producer, Pam B. S was the writer. It was incredible. 321 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: By coincidentally, her son plays for the UH for the 322 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons, so that was that was cool to be 323 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: able to talk about UH the Falcons a lot with her. 324 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: So how how difficult is it to have a teammate 325 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: co worker be a child? Is that is that different 326 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: than having like, say myself for you know, like appear 327 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: someone in your own age? Well, now, actually she was, 328 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: she's twenty three. I'm getting these old parts. Now I'm 329 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: forty six years old. I actually got a twenty one 330 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: year old son. So but yeah, she was. She was 331 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: an adult coming in to play the part. So how 332 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: many how many kids do you have? I got four? 333 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: I got four? I got a twenty one year old 334 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: who's at Colorado, the University of Colorado, and twelve and seven. Okay, 335 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: so I met. I believe he's your oldest. Was his 336 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: named Nico, So long long lone time ago when I 337 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: was just probably Charles Tillman, I wasn't even peanut yet. 338 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: Um remember this thing ESPN the Weekend, So I think 339 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: we got we were partnered for something during ESPN the Weekend, 340 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: And I believe you had your son, either your brother 341 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: or agent or someone else. And I remember, and god, 342 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: he must have been about nine or ten years old 343 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: at that at that time. That was a yeah, probably 344 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: probably younger than that. Yeah, he because I had a yeah, 345 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: I remember, yeah, because I remember my daughter was like 346 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: she was all of like maybe two one at the 347 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: at the time, and she's almost seventeen now. So yeah, 348 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: it was a yeah. Man, I was long, long, long, 349 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: long time ago. Yeah. So he's twenty one in Colorado, 350 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: huh one, out there living the life, uh not playing football. 351 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: I played football through high school, and that was one 352 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,199 Speaker 1: of the things. There's a there's a big scene in 353 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: The Long Slolecta where I'm I'm on the basketball court 354 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: with my daughter and I'm trying to bring out the 355 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: best in her. I want her to go harder. And 356 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 1: that is where I could draw from when my son, 357 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: when he played high school football, after the game, where 358 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, hey, I need more out of you, 359 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 1: I need more. And that frustration that you have as 360 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,360 Speaker 1: a parent, as any parent out there, that he goes 361 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: through where sometimes you see something for your child that 362 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: they don't see and then you butt heads over it. 363 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 1: So that's where That's where you talked about what could 364 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: I draw from it? I could draw that to be 365 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: able to help me play that part more realistic. Now, 366 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: do your kids listen to you, like as you coaching 367 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 1: your kid or as you know after the game? Do 368 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: your kids actually listen to you? Like, Hey, I don't know, 369 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 1: I made the all. I'm one of a dread people 370 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: in the world to be on this team. I gotta 371 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: maroon nice wine color jacket. I think I know a 372 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 1: thing or two about being an athlete or just about 373 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: being great at something. I'm one of a hundred out 374 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: of millions that play this game. I'm one of a hundred, 375 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: Like I'm kind of a big deal. Does your son 376 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: listen to you or do any of your kids listen 377 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 1: to you as it pertains to just like working out, 378 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 1: work at the green thing like that? No, no, you 379 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: know listen to me? Does none of those kids listen 380 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: to me very often? I figured, I think my hit 381 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: rate is probably around eighty percent of the time they're 382 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: not listening to me. And I've said that same line. 383 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: Working with my son Nico is a little bit easier 384 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: because and every kid is different. But my my twelve 385 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: year old boy loves football, loves basketball, and we work 386 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: out some time and I'm trying to just slow things 387 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: down and back. Okay, this is how you catch the ball. 388 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: When you come out of a book, you gotta get Thirdly, 389 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 1: you gotta come back towards the ball. And it's like, 390 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm talking about. And I've used 391 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: that same thing, like, hey, I'm pretty good at this. 392 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: I played some years. Trust me, I know what I'm doing. 393 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: But you don't know anything. That's that's where you need. 394 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: Remember Coach vermil Dick formal Hall of Fame coach going 395 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: to the Hall of Fame this year, he told me 396 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 1: that back when Nico was first born. He goes, as 397 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: you get older, what you need is you're gonna need 398 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: to bring friends in to come talk to your kids, 399 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: because you don't know in their eyes. Uh. And it's true. 400 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: It's played out that way with my kids. Yeah. My 401 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 1: daughter plays basketball and I try to give her a 402 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 1: tip or two and she's just like, yeah, whatever. And 403 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:31,719 Speaker 1: then as soon as her coach says something said the 404 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 1: same exact thing that I say, she's like, all right, 405 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:36,719 Speaker 1: all right, do this, do that. Yeah, I'll do it. 406 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,479 Speaker 1: And it's just I'm I just I just kind of 407 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: shake my head and my wife is like, just give 408 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: it up. They don't listen to us. They rather listen 409 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: to a coach. I know, you played in the league 410 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: and you think you're good and working out and stretching athleticism. 411 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: Nobody gives maybe like nobody nobody cares. Just move on 412 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: and let the coaches do their thing. So um, let's 413 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: let's do another transition tight ends. The state of the 414 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: tight end has changed a lot since you's retired. One 415 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 1: being you all have a National tight End Day and 416 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 1: you have a tight End University. What's What's what's up 417 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,479 Speaker 1: with that? I'm not really I'm not really feeling National 418 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 1: tight End Day. But I'm not. I'm not. I'm not 419 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: feeling tight End University. Like have you have you been 420 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 1: to the Titan University? Uh? No, I have not. I 421 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: actually talked to George a couple of George Kittle, Yeah, 422 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: I think a couple. A couple of days ago. He 423 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 1: gave me the invite to come speak. I think he's 424 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 1: gonna have me and Dallas Clark come out there this year. 425 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: I don't know gonna be able to make it because 426 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: I'm because I'm I'm scheduled to not be in town. Uh. 427 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: But I think he's great. Honestly, I think I think 428 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: it's the best thing ever, the tight ends and finally 429 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: getting the respect that they deserve. I've always had a 430 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 1: pet peeve with how the tight end is treated in 431 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: the NFL because I think on the offensive side of 432 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 1: the ball, you got the quarterback and then maybe the center, 433 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: but that's still I think that that that second most 434 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: important position on the team because of the responsibility of 435 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: the titen. They block, at least that's what you're supposed 436 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 1: to do. Some of these Titans nowadays don't block. But 437 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: you block, uh, and then you can't. You gotta know 438 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: the running game. You gotta go to the passing game. 439 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 1: You can get put in the backfield to pick up 440 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: those blitzing linebackers. You get you even carried the ball. 441 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: Now you throw the ball sometime. You see what these 442 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 1: tight ends are doing. There's so much responsibility and they 443 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: and I remember being on my team's I was always 444 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: telling the receivers what to do and then tell them 445 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: Linman what to do. Uh. So I love it. I 446 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 1: think tight ends with Travis Kelsey, with George Kitto. With 447 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: all these young tight ends coming up, that that they're 448 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: doing with the position, I really believe they're bringing it 449 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 1: to that that glory, that glamorous position that young guys 450 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: want to play, where they're catching you know, a hundred 451 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: balls a year, catching you know, twelve yards in a season, 452 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: ten touchdowns. Uh. It's a huge mismatch when a tight 453 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: end is on the field. Uh. And I think most 454 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: team do you look at the teams that have gone 455 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl or the best teams in the league, 456 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: they got that dog, they got it tight end who 457 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 1: is getting it done? Because you it's essential to me 458 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: you have to have a great tight end in these 459 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 1: passing offenses. Now, yeah, the position is definitely changed. There's 460 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: been a lot of evolution. I don't know. I looked 461 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: at Travis Kelsey in the playoffs and he ran away 462 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: from the DBS, and I'm saying to myself, I'm forty one, 463 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 1: but I still think I got it, Like I still 464 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: got a little bit of juice to me, is Travis 465 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: kill Is he really that fast? Do you? Is he? 466 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: Is he really that fast? Or or the DBS just 467 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 1: that trash? That's because I'm like, it's oh, my god, 468 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 1: is he that fast? Like? I don't and I think 469 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 1: he's that fast. I think, what he's a four or 470 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: five guy probably. I think you look at kiddo four 471 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: or four. He runs away from people. Uh you look 472 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: at these tight ends in the draft of got Kyle 473 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: Pitts from from from Atlanta. Yeah right at four four? 474 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: I mean and that I need games because that's another 475 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: thing too. There's a difference between your forty time and 476 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: then your game speed. Okay, that's why people I was like, 477 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: all right, ran at four or four. I don't care. 478 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: I want to see him run that on the football field. 479 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: And Travis is one of those guys when he gets 480 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: to the game. I think that when he catches the ball, 481 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: that is people always obviously he played. He plays in 482 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: Kansas City. I played in Kansas City. We get the 483 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: comparison all the time. It's what people want to do. 484 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: But I look at Travis and I said, without a doubt, 485 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: what he does a little bit better or way better 486 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: than I did when I played it. When he gets 487 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: that ball in his hands, when he makes the catch, 488 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: he is lightning with the ball. He is making guys miss. 489 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 1: He's like rubber Man. He's he's he's getting yack. Uh. 490 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: And I was pretty good at that, but he's definitely 491 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: better than me at that. I think he's probably the 492 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 1: best that I've ever seen with the ball in his hands. 493 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: After he catches the ball, yeah, um, yeah, he's fast. 494 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: I just I just thought the d V should be 495 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: a little bit faster when he away from him. I'm 496 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: just like you, guys, this is a tight end. What 497 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 1: was your forty time? Uh shoot at the combine? I 498 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 1: think it was a four or seven for eight um 499 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: at my personal time it was a four six. But 500 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: I know this, so I used to always do this 501 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: when I played in Atlanta. I remember we had Julio 502 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 1: Jones and we had Roddy White, and we had this 503 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 1: play called all go or all go whatever is everybody's 504 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 1: doing scenes. I'm running the seam down the seat up 505 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: down the middle, Roddy is on the outside, Julio is 506 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: over there. These guys running four two or four three's. 507 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: And I remember I started in front of the team, 508 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: but hey, stop the film after we get about twelve 509 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 1: yards down the field. And I'm telling you I was 510 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 1: in the lead after twelve yards. Now, if you said, 511 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,239 Speaker 1: if you ran another three or four yards after that, 512 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: that's when they started to get past me. But I 513 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: was like that those first twelve yards, I'm running fast. 514 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: I'm just up there with those four three guys. I 515 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: just can't sustain that, right. That's that's the game day 516 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 1: speed though. That's that's that's that's what it is. It's 517 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: about the game day speed. I'll look at I look 518 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 1: at what these dvs are doing now. I look at 519 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 1: what the D lineman are doing now. And I'm looking 520 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: at d linemen that are six three, six four. Hell 521 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: even offensive lineman there's six sixty three and they're running 522 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: five They run in five seconds and forty yards like 523 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: it's moving a massive amount of weight moving out of 524 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: high velocity of speed. Like it's it's kind of it's 525 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: kind of scary. What what the evolution of offensive big 526 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: guys and defensive big guys actually becoming in the league. 527 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: Like I like where it's going. But at the same time, 528 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, I'm kind of glad I am retired 529 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: because I think that I'd be so much more sore 530 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: on a Tuesday, on my day off. It's it's it's 531 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: kind of it's kind of crazy. It's it's Uh. Yeah, 532 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: So you went from basketball football, got out of football, 533 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: did some broadcasting, kind of doing broadcast, sing a little bit. 534 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: Have you have so have you ever called a game live? No, 535 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 1: I've done it where they I think I came. I 536 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: went with Joe Buck and and U and Troy where 537 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: they brought me into the booth for five minutes just 538 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: to sit there. That is some hard work. That is 539 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: mard work. Um, not not really my cup of tea. 540 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: It's extremely difficult because you've got to be on point 541 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: all the time and you always have to have something 542 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: to say. Is boom boom boom, boom boom. That's that's 543 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,679 Speaker 1: I think Joe Buck and Troy I think they are 544 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: two of the best to Uh. I think they're two 545 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: of the best to ever do it all. I really 546 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: enjoy I really enjoy watching them. They do some real 547 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: good stuff. So yeah, Al Michael's I'm a big Alan 548 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: Michael's fan. He's He's He's another good one. Um. With 549 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: how busy you are, and I know you talked to 550 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: a lot of kids, uh, younger kids obviously trying to 551 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,959 Speaker 1: make it to the league transitioning. What advice would you 552 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 1: give them? You know, just like you said, I got. 553 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 1: I got four kids, and it's the same thing that 554 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: I tell them in their sports or pursuits. That my 555 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 1: youngest one she's I think she's wants to be an actress. Um. 556 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 1: I think you gotta you gotta be calm. I think 557 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: that gets underestimated. I think when you look at the masters, 558 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 1: and let's just take Tom Brady for for example, when 559 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 1: he's in that pocket, he is there's hardly any movement. 560 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: He's just cool and calm. I think the best when 561 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan when the game is on the line, it 562 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: was slow breathing. So I'm always like, just be calm. Uh. 563 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: And then obviously you got work. You gotta you gotta 564 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: work your butt off daily. Uh. And then I think 565 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: confidence if that's been where if I stu, I've struggled 566 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: the most. Even when I was playing football. A lot 567 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 1: of people know, like my second year I got benched, 568 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: uh twice, got let the NFL and drop passes. Wasn't 569 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: because I wasn't big or strong or fast or talented enough, 570 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: I'll lee, Uh, it was because I didn't have the confidence. 571 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 1: And you have to believe that you belong when you 572 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: step out on that field or whatever. Genre arena that 573 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: you're in. Otherwise you're gonna get swallowed up by yourself 574 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 1: or by the people that you're going against. And so 575 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: I'm always stay calm, stay confident, uh, stay consistent, like 576 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: the three c's right there. And you gotta do that daily. 577 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 1: You gotta be obsessive about what you're doing. It's got 578 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 1: to be the most important thing that that that's going 579 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 1: on in your life. And and a lot of people 580 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 1: don't want to hear that, but it is. That's true. 581 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: It's gotta be. You know, you have your family, and 582 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: you have your your beliefs or your values and all 583 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: whatever it is that you're involved with. But you spread 584 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: the reality is that you spend most of your time 585 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: at that stadium. Uh, and you spend most of the 586 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: time trying to perfect your craft. Uh. And so it's 587 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: got to come first within obviously within reason. Uh. We're 588 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: nine of the time, it's football on your mind. How 589 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: can I get better? How can I make that cut better? 590 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: How can I make that route better? I was obsessed 591 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: about route running and catching football's Uh. In hell, I 592 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: even do it now. I would tell people sometimes I'll 593 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: walk around the corner and I get a little head 594 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: fake as I'm going around the corner because I'm so 595 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: in that mode of of running routes for for you know, 596 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: twenty five years. So, um, I think being obsessed with 597 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: what you do, which means loving it. I guess love 598 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: what you do along with everything else I talked about, 599 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: and you're you'll you'll have success. It's it's gonna come. 600 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: It's not if it's just win. Now, this goes a question, 601 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: but you you apply those three c's to to acting now? Yeah? 602 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, And I think you have to. You have to. 603 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. I close my eyes a lot and 604 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: people can call meditation whatever it is, and and I'll 605 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: just sit there and think about what's coming and how 606 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. Let people call it visualization. You 607 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: can do that in sports. I did that a lot. 608 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: I would do that before the game wake up. I 609 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: go to the end of my bed, get on the 610 00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: ground across leg style and close my eyes and just 611 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: think about the game. And I would or I would 612 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: smell the grass and I would feel the the actual 613 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: ball hitting my gloves. You feel into that future and 614 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: and see it happening to you. Uh, And I do 615 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: that now with acting. I want to. I want to 616 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: close my eyes sometime and get silent, get away from everybody, 617 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: you know, shut out all that noise, uh, and go 618 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: and go create and go get creative, go get artistic, 619 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: because that's what we are as as athletes. It is 620 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: one of the most creative things that you can do 621 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,479 Speaker 1: when you when you line up on defense or when 622 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: I line up on offense. Of course I have a 623 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,959 Speaker 1: play in mind, but I don't know how it's gonna go. 624 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: I'm I don't know. That's in fact, that's what people 625 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: want to see, you know, When Patrick Mahomes drops back, 626 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: like I said, when that defensive incomes free and he's 627 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: got to do a spin and then come back to 628 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: the middle and then throw it off his back foot, 629 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: that's the most exciting part of the game. He didn't 630 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: he didn't know he was gonna do that. Uh. And 631 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: so you gotta you gotta prepare for those moments because 632 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,479 Speaker 1: that's that's that's where the money's made. That's the money's 633 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: in the athlete. That that's that's when you're gonna go 634 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 1: out there and separate yourself. And a lot of eyes 635 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: don't know how to prepare for that before what happens 636 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: and that's something that I take Prida that that's something 637 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: I did when I when I played a lot. I 638 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: try to prepare for those those types of movements adjustment. 639 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: I think that's why I like playing defense, because I 640 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: have an idea of what I'm gonna do, but it's 641 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: really based upon what the offensive player is gonna do. 642 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: If he goes left, then I gotta go right. If 643 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: he goes right, then I gotta go left. I gotta counter, 644 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: and I gotta do this. It's just one big adjustment. 645 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: I think what I try to tell my kids is 646 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: this life, you gotta just keep making the adjustments over 647 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: and over. That's just that's just what we do. And 648 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: kind of kind of what you said, Yeah, the name 649 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: prov you gotta. It's just you're adjusting. You're doing everything 650 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: on the fly. I like that. Yeah, I like that. Well, Tony, 651 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: I am gonna take too much of your time. Man. 652 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: I appreciate you for coming on the showing for a 653 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: players podcast. We appreciate you. Um, thank you so much. 654 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: I know if people are listening, or people are listening, 655 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: if they want to tune into your show, The Long 656 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: Slow Excel, what what network? Where can we find it 657 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: it's right. It's on Spectrum um. And then if you 658 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 1: don't have Spectrum, I think you can sign up for 659 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: it or something. I mean, you figure it out. I 660 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: mean to you just google it, but spectrums where you can, 661 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: you can check it out. I think most of the 662 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 1: episodes have dropped already, but check it out. It's it's 663 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: done really well. It's been getting great reviews. Josh Lucas 664 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: is also in it, and Fimka Jansen. It's maybe some 665 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: some big names. It's not. It's not my show. Uh. 666 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: I was able, lucky enough to be around such great 667 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: actors that have been doing it for a long time. 668 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: And it's just a great dramatic twist and turns roller 669 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: coaster of the show. People have really liked it, so 670 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: check it out. Well, that's not what I'm telling everybody. 671 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: For y'all listening, y'all, tune into the Long Slow Eggshale. 672 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: It's Tony Gonzales. It's his show. The main character he 673 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: in it. It's his show. Amy's Grammy's Tony. We won't 674 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: all that. Thank you all for tuning in. UH appreciate it. 675 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: H thanks for joining us on the NFL Players Podcast. 676 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: Don't forget to subscribe and follow at NFL Players Podcast 677 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: on Instagram for the latest player stories and to connect 678 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: with the NFL Players community.