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Speaker 1: Welcome, Matt.

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Speaker 2: I am Dale Lallie. He is Matt Williamson and this

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Speaker 2: is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio and ESPN nine

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Speaker 2: to seventy. We are live from the upmc roney Sports

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Speaker 2: Complex where the Steelers are. I think they have two

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Speaker 2: sessions left here. When I say sessions are about ten

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Speaker 1: Jeah. After this one, they're not gonna end on special teams.

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Speaker 1: Are doing special teams now. Not to reveal too much,

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Speaker 1: but I think we can let the world know that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just looking around the news league here, Matt at

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Speaker 2: some news news and notes the Texans have signed Molly Collins,

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Speaker 2: their defensive tackle, to a twenty three million dollars two

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Speaker 2: year extension.

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Speaker 1: Seems like a lot. It's a lot of money.

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Speaker 3: I mean, starter Steelers got Larry Ogunjobi for less than that.

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Speaker 1: I would rather have okenjoby. Yeah. I mean when you

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Speaker 1: said that, immediately thought of the recent at all Over

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Speaker 1: contract too. Yes, steep for a guy that's two hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty pounds that hasn't quite lived up to early

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Speaker 1: draft expectations. Kind of a role player for the Bills, man,

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Speaker 1: I mean, d tackles is a good year to be

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Speaker 2: I guess so, yeah, it says or there's been reports

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Speaker 2: that Dalvin Cook looking for something in a ten million

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Speaker 2: dollar a year row.

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Speaker 1: Good luck with that.

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Speaker 2: And he's in no hurry to sign a contract somewhere.

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Speaker 3: He's gonna wait this out.

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Speaker 1: I don't blame him for waiting it out. I mean

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Speaker 1: is crazy about that statement is I can't imagine getting

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Speaker 1: close to ten million. I mean, there's not much cap

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Speaker 3: You could structure that so it's not you know, that.

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Speaker 1: Might look good when he signs the deal. His agent

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Speaker 1: might report it's a two year, twenty million dollar deal. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I don't know that he's going to get ten

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Speaker 1: The Denver Broncos are like, I don't think Javonte Williams

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Speaker 1: like crazy. I keep grabbing p Ryan in these draft

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Speaker 2: I mean, Dalvin Cook's a pretty good receiver. I mean

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Speaker 2: he's not a better runner, he's Alvin Kamara, but he's right,

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Speaker 3: He's in that range.

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Speaker 1: He can pass protect, he can run routes you right,

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Speaker 3: Like, that's what you want to do. Why not do it?

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Speaker 1: It's a good landing spot. Yeah, and you'd much rather

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Speaker 2: It appears that Stefan Diggs is back at practice after

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Speaker 1: I just heart a little bit of rumblings that he

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Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson talked today, said that OBJ looks pretty smooth

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Speaker 2: He has been around for a problem with that is

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Speaker 2: So I mean you bring up Alan Robinson. Alan Robinson

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Speaker 1: It's not a separator.

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Speaker 3: He's not a separator. Odell was a separator. He was

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Speaker 2: Those guys when when when they lose that separation, they

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Speaker 1: And well that's the problem. I think it's a bad contract.

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Speaker 3: I do think it's a bad contract.

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Speaker 2: I think that contract is every bit as bad as

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Speaker 2: the Deshaun Watson contract. And interestingly enough, it was the Ravens,

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Speaker 2: who made the biggest fuss about the Deshaun Watson contract. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 2: like Steve Bisciotti, their owner was complaining openly at the

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Speaker 2: guaranteeing all that. Yeah, you're screwing up the salary cap

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Speaker 2: go out and sign Odell Beckham to an equally bad deal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And to Lamar's point, Great.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what Lamar at this point in his

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Speaker 1: Great. I mean, I'm not given Lamar a hard time

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Speaker 3: Cordial after he forced his way out of you know.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they ever butted heads. No, I think

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Speaker 2: He has Matt Williams and I am Dale Lay you are.

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Speaker 2: the Steelers are getting ready here to wrap up Mini

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Speaker 2: Camp session number two.

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Speaker 3: after this.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back.

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Speaker 2: I am Dale, Lolly. He is Matt Williamson. We're live

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Speaker 2: from the Steelers o.

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Speaker 1: T a sid again. Yep, Mini camps down pap by tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be perfect mini camp session here at the

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Speaker 2: up mc rooney Sports Complex.

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Speaker 3: He's Matt Williamson, who he just heard. I'm Dale Lolly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, why why would he change that?

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Speaker 3: They're running it back again.

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Speaker 3: And I'd have to look at their entire schedule.

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Speaker 1: Maybe. I mean they have a very easy schedule. I

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Speaker 3: I don't have to squit real hard, so they win,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I guess as possible, they could sweep the division.

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Speaker 2: That looks like that's going to do it for the

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Speaker 1: I could see that too. I might pick them to

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Speaker 3: They'll be in it.

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Speaker 1: They'll be in it. I mean, they're not gonna win

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Speaker 2: And the final team on this list from Pro Football

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Speaker 1: I really think, especially the analytic community is really starting

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Speaker 1: The profoball Focus in particular, has been very excited. You know,

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Speaker 2: So if the Steelers can get consistently good play from

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Speaker 2: They then go on to say the Steelers are finished

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Speaker 2: with a five hundred or better record nineteen straight seasons now,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. How many years did you say, since they were

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Speaker 2: Yeah, none of nobody guys on this roster weren't even

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Speaker 1: I was fifteen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, they have the worst odds to win the AFC.

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Speaker 1: No one on this roster was born.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's largely because they are in a division with

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: If the Steelers can get consistently good play from Kenny Pickett,

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Speaker 1: Agree. Yeah, well said, I don't disagree with any of that.

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Speaker 2: Po I thin guess where we're at here with this team,

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Speaker 1: My Yeah, No, I'm with you. They're always in it.

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Speaker 1: I think this year is going to be better. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean everything that they've done this offseat hasn't made

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Speaker 1: I think on both sides of the ball, but especially offense,

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Speaker 1: Which isn't horrible, but it's not. Yeah, it's below average,

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Speaker 2: We're gonna wrap it up here as the Steelers are

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Speaker 2: coming on off the field after Mini Camp session number two.

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Speaker 2: You can see what Mike Tomlin has to say here

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Speaker 2: my partner Matt Williamson, I am Dale Lolly. We thank

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Speaker 3: We'll be back from noon to two again tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: And that will wrap up all the Steelers off season

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Speaker 2: program and well you can still hear from us yeah

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Speaker 2: on Steelers Nation Radio, but ESPN nine seventy is ongoing

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Speaker 2: Steelers coverage that will kick up again when we go

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Speaker 2: back to training camp at Samet Fensic College.

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Speaker 3: Can't wait for that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's too me be fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, always is, always will be missed at the years

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