1 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: It's that time time sis. 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 2: Luck and load. 3 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: The Michael Arry Show is on the air. We'll get 4 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: into Mico. We gotta feed a beard. I don't plan 5 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 1: of shape. 6 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 2: In Texas, we remember, we remember our heroes, we remember 7 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 2: the heartbreaks, and we remember the moments that lit a 8 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 2: fire that never went out. Back in eighty three, five 9 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 2: Slam a Jama changed the game. Skywalker's in a league 10 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 2: of their own. They didn't just play basketball, they made 11 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 2: a poetry in motion, and now decades later, that fire 12 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 2: still burns to the University of Houston steps back into 13 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 2: destiny Spotlight with a new team, a new fight, but 14 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 2: the same mission. Florida's in the path. This isn't about them. 15 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 2: It's about us, about finishing a story that started with legends, 16 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 2: about claiming what's always felt like it belonged to Houston. 17 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 2: The Alamo was remembered tonight in San Antonio. The Cougars 18 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 2: make sure history remembers this too. This is pride, this 19 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 2: is legacy, this is Texas. 20 00:01:36,440 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: Go Coogs, what's a comeback? Coach Sampson talking about that closing. 21 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 3: I don't know if these guys remember, but I got 22 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 3: I told him. I said, we have got to change 23 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 3: our mentality at the free throw line. And even though 24 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 3: we only lost four games all year, a couple of 25 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 3: those the free throw line impacted two of those. So 26 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 3: we had our kids make one hundred and fifty free 27 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 3: throws seven days a week. I don't think Jay one 28 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 3: missed the day from June second to we left on Wednesday. 29 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 3: We left on Wednesday, right, So Tuesday night I looked 30 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 3: at when he shot from the free throw line with 31 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 3: his one hundred and fifty makes, and he shot eighty 32 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 3: seven percent. That was his highest percentage he's ever shot. 33 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 3: When he started this, it was his sixty six. So 34 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 3: on his own he went from sixty six to eighty six. 35 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:52,279 Speaker 3: That wasn't the coaches give all the credit to him. 36 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 3: He went to that free throw line every single day 37 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 3: and made himself so in that moment tonight, in the 38 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 3: moment tonight when everybody was watching, he prepared himself when 39 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:08,679 Speaker 3: nobody was watching for that moment tonight. So God bless him. 40 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: Proud of him. You know, if you play basketball as 41 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: a little kid, little dribblers, you could have a kid 42 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: that scores ten points in a game, which is a 43 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: lot or a little kid game. You progress middle school 44 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: high school score twenty in a game. It's a lot 45 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: for a high school kid, and you think, then get 46 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: to college and on where you play, you think, well, 47 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: let's see how you do against the big boys, because 48 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: we don't really know how good you are until you 49 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: play against the other talent. We have to match you up, 50 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: we have to blow the whistle and start a game. 51 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: But the aspect of that game that never changes is 52 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: the free throw. The same free throw that Kobe Bryant 53 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: or Michael Jordan shoots is what the little dubbler shoots. 54 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: So if a kid who's ten years old goes four 55 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: for four on free throws, it's the same free throw, 56 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: same distance, nothing changes. It's you all by yourself, and 57 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 1: it's not easy. It's not easy. Shaquille O'Neil was a 58 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: career fifty percent shooter. They brought in mental experts, Rick 59 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: Barry arguably the greatest of them all. They looked at 60 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: different forms underhand one hand. They tried everything. But the 61 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: thing about it is the life lesson that you get 62 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: from that is there are things you can do by 63 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: yourself that people talk about but never do. You can 64 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: be absolutely ripped. You can lift weights you don't be 65 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: great if you had petru, but you could, you might 66 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: disproportionately increase one muscle over another because you don't understand 67 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: the fundamentals of how the body works and the muscle 68 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: groups and all that. But you can pick up awake 69 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: and keep lifting, keep picking up awake again and again 70 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 1: and again and again. You can. There are things you 71 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 1: can do that everyone has the opportunity to do. No 72 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: matter how tall you are, how short, how fast strong, 73 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: everyone can learn to shoot a free throw. Kenny the 74 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 1: Jet Smith, former Houston Rocket, talking about Clutch City. 75 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 4: I've been blessed to be on two championship teams. We 76 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 4: were called Kluch City. We will bow down, take that off. 77 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 4: That is Klux City. They are the new Klux City 78 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 4: in Houston. I have never seen a college basketball game 79 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 4: was decided in that fact. 80 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: There it was pretty much done and they. 81 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 4: Wave cut City lives on. 82 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: Jim Valvano became a beloved figure in all of basketball, 83 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: mostly because Dick Vital, his buddy, ensured that he was 84 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: made legend. But when you see when I see, I 85 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: won't speak for you. When I see the clip of 86 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: Valvano running out on the court, because was it Lorenzo 87 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: Hampton that tipped it in all Lorenzo Charles. I think 88 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: it was Lorenzo Hampton. When I see a ball that 89 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: was an air ball, The Rockets are going to win. 90 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: It was Solid D the Rocket. The Cougars are gonna win, 91 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: Solid D. We were rooting. We didn't root. We weren't 92 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: huge Rocket fans. Rocket It's fans in Orange because we 93 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: didn't get the games. It was on UHF, it was 94 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: on twenty I believe it was something Vision like Bradley 95 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: Vision or I forget what it was called. Somebody can 96 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: email me and tell me what it was. But we 97 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: didn't get their games, so we didn't we didn't develop. 98 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: I later went back and studied Rudy t and Calvin 99 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:27,239 Speaker 1: Murphy and and those Rockets. It wasn't until years later 100 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: when a Keem came on to the team that we 101 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: really got into, you know, Ralph Sampson and then Kiem 102 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: Elijah Wan. But those Cougars games, that was like, well, 103 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: the Lamar Cardinals was our team in Orange. That that 104 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: was our professional team. We watched it. They were played 105 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: locally on channel six KFDM, and we watched every game. 106 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: I can remember my mother driving me and her up 107 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: to Highway sixty two, which is perpendicular to iten As 108 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: you're going into Orange, we go to the Love so 109 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: we didn't have to go all the way into town. 110 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: And they had a little deli meat section and we 111 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: got some baloney and some bread and we were gonna 112 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: have baloney sandwiches and cheetos and watch the Cardinals game. 113 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: But after the Cardinals it was the Koger. This is 114 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: a very very good time for this school. I'm very 115 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: proud for the alumni of UH to be in this moment. 116 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: My buddy, Michael Berry. Steals became an official stat college 117 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: basketball in nineteen eighty six. Hard to believe it was 118 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: that recent, but that's almost forty years ago. In that time, 119 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: there have been three hundred and thirty six games where 120 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: a team beat their opponent in field goal percentage, free 121 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: throw attempts, cists, fewer turnovers, and steals. That's a pretty 122 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: thorough lashing when you beat your opponent in all of that. 123 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: The turnovers is fewer turnovers, so that's the number you 124 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 1: wanted a lower number to be. Three hundred thirty six 125 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: times it has happened that a team dominated or exceeded 126 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: their opponent in every one of those categories three hundred 127 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: and thirty six, including Saturday night. It had happened three 128 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: hundred thirty five times before Saturday Night, and in all 129 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: three hundred thirty five times that team won the game. 130 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: Saturday Night was the first time ever since steals became 131 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: an official statistic, that a team lead their opponent in 132 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: phield goal percent, its free throw attempts, assists, fewer turnovers, 133 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: and more steals and lose the game and Duke did. 134 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: It's interesting the all I heard from the sports media 135 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: is how good Duke was, highest scoring, offense, unbeatable, best 136 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: player in the country. And I kept thinking, Okay, well 137 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: that's fine, not gonna hurt my feelings. But surely you 138 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 1: understand this Houston team's pretty good, right. Surely you understand 139 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 1: you've seen their record and you know they've won nineteen 140 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: coming into the game. Well, Duke's seventeen, okay, but surely 141 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,839 Speaker 1: you understand how well they play together. I've never in 142 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: my life watched a college basketball team play better defense. 143 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: They attack on defense. It's like the way the Baltimore 144 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: Ravens used to play defense. You would watch their game, 145 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 1: or the Tampa Bay Buccaneers who would watch their game 146 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: to watch their defense play. You understand that right the 147 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: minute Duke One, all anyone wanted to talk about was Florida. Okay, okay, 148 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,559 Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't wear my emotions are my 149 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: pride on whether people think that the team from the 150 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: university that I went to in the town I live 151 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 1: in is good or not. The end of the day, 152 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: that too shall pass. It does some kind of silly, 153 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: doesn't it, Which brings us to the next point. How 154 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 1: people can be intellectually inconsistent get carried away by the 155 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 1: moment about the tarriffs. What do you think about the terriffs? 156 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: What about the terriffs? I don't know what about them? 157 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: Well you think I don't know? What do you think 158 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: I don't know? Well, why don't you know? What is 159 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: your concern? Well, people saying it's going to it's bad, 160 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: It's going to be bad. It was saying, what are 161 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: they saying? Well, saying, you know, this is Trump's messing up. 162 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: He's not messing up. He's not messing up. Michael Well 163 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: used to you had an irrational belief that he was 164 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: Jesus and could do anything. Why are you doubting Jesus. Now, well, 165 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: people are saying, you know, okay, all right, You've brought 166 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: this up on an evening when I'm off the air. 167 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: This was your go to. Then let's have a conversation. 168 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: Obviously you care about it. What are you concerned about? Well, 169 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: they're saying, who is they? Uh? Well, okay, okay, you're right, 170 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: you're right, Okay, I admit, I admant No, who is they? 171 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: Who is they? Why are you in a state of anxiety? 172 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: I see now why they sell some at sanax case. 173 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: You just lurch from one panic attack to the next. 174 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: He who is they? And what are they saying? Well, 175 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 1: they're saying that it is gonna it could cause it 176 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: economic collapse, an economic collapse. Told me this two weeks ago, 177 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: well not quite two weeks ago. Economic collapse. Okay, are 178 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: you familiar with what our nation's burn rate was compared 179 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 1: to the revenues we were collecting? Are you familiar with 180 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: what our economy has been doing? If you step back 181 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: and look at the macrostats, do you have any understanding 182 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 1: what the effect of this massive borrowing and spending has been. 183 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 1: Are you aware that we had no idea where the 184 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: money was being spent? It was to such a degree. 185 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 1: We didn't even know how much was being spent. We 186 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: didn't know where it was going. It was just being spent. 187 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: We now have the tip of the iceberg. We were 188 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: sending it all over the world. We're paying media companies. 189 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: Now we have this slavees. But you you didn't panic 190 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: over that because they didn't tell you to panic, right, 191 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: they didn't tell you they were panic. Everything was fine, 192 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: things were going well. Right, everything was fine, Things were 193 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: going well, or so you thought. Surely you didn't think 194 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: our border was Why of them. You can't. You can't 195 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: run a country that way. So the same people that 196 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: told you that you could not close the border. It's impossible. 197 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: You have to have an comprehensive for them. Can just 198 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: close the border? 199 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 3: Why not. 200 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: We'll build a wall. They'll come over it, they'll go 201 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: under it. They're amazing, they're wonderful people. We can't live 202 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: without them. They'll get here, no matter they'll be, they'll 203 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: become like ants, they'll crawl over here. We won't know, 204 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: and then they'll come back into being a human being. 205 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: You can't stop them, no way to stop them. We 206 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: stopped them. The president stopped them, and the same people 207 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: that told you he couldn't stop them, are now telling 208 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: you he's going to crash the economy. Okay, all right, 209 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: So how's he going to crash the economy? What is 210 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: a tariff? Well, now I know what you're doing. Now 211 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: you're gonna get tripped me up. No, No, you're terribly 212 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: concerned about what's going to happen, because you've been told 213 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: to be very concerned. And I want you to tell 214 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: me what is that thing that's going to happen. First, 215 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: let's just tell me what that is, and then next 216 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: tell me how it would work that that would ruin 217 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: our economy. Please explain that to me. No, I have 218 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: no idea. I'm just repeating. Okay, but you do understand yourself, 219 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: right right. Remember twenty twelve, A lot of people that 220 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: I know would say, Hey, you think I know, I know, 221 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: there's nothing to it, but you think it could be 222 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: the end of the world. Probably are you serious? Well, yeah, yeah, 223 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: Because those people a long time ago, in a place 224 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: I've never visited, couldn't figure out clean running water or penicillin, 225 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: said that at some random date in the future, And 226 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: now here we are at that random date. I'm pretty 227 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: sure it's all gonna you're just saying that. No, no, 228 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: I'm saying you should be panicked about it. You should 229 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: always stay panicked about it, at least one thing. Michael 230 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: Berry Show, and the ball goes up and the ball 231 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: comes down, swings is bad all the way around the world. 232 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: So still you can hear the sound the baseball falls 233 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: to the ground. Somebody could explain to me, doesn't say 234 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: their concern over terriffs, specifically the terriffs that Trump is 235 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: putting into place. There's an argument, there is an argument. 236 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: My concern is that people have shared in the concern, 237 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: increasing the concern, because if enough people talk about something, 238 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: it gives it legitimacy. But when you ask them to 239 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: explain that, they have no idea, none, And finally it 240 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: gets down to they're concerned because the sources from which 241 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: they get news are concerned. And deep down, much as 242 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: we may try, people still trust CBS, ABC, NBCC, and 243 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: they do, they still trust them. They'll call them the 244 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: lamestream media, that drive by media, or call them all 245 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: those things. But if if those people are saying something, 246 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: they don't have the self confidence, and that's what it is. 247 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 1: It is very hard to do something different than what 248 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: the crowd is doing. There's such comfort in the crowd. 249 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: It is limmings off the mountain, limmings off the cliff, 250 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 1: but at least there is comfort in that. And that's 251 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: why it's important for people to stand up to that, 252 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: because then you show that it can be done. I 253 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: learned so much, and none of it good. I learned 254 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 1: so much during COVID. There were people that I had respected, admired, 255 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: even who I watched during that process show me that 256 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: it was misplaced. I will never get my respect back 257 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: for those people. I will never And there are people, well, 258 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 1: I know you're mad at me over that, but man, 259 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: I just paint it right. Well, I mean you can't. 260 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: You can't hold that against me. You don't panic if 261 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:14,239 Speaker 1: no one else is panicking. You learn how people are 262 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: going to respond under stress only when the stress comes along. 263 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: If everything is fine, A person can't demonstrate how well 264 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: they'll behave under stress they think they are. I tell you, boy, 265 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: I'm not always people going to get caught up and 266 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: all that. There's no stress right now. I'm just telling 267 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: you I'm one of the people that'll stay calm. Do 268 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: you think the people who are going to panic, say 269 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: right now, there's no stress now. But when the stress comes, 270 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to panic like chicken little, claiming this guy's falling. 271 00:19:53,800 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 1: The same people who are worried today, repeating the worries, 272 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: the panic, Those same exact people went and got a 273 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 1: shot under the theory. Well it's not tested. We don't 274 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: even know if it works, We don't know if it 275 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: could do any harm. Nobody would believe me when I 276 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: said that, you don't know this thing's not going to 277 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: do you harm. Well that's not true. At a minimum, 278 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: the worst case it doesn't do me any good. But 279 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: the best case keeps me from getting COVID. That's the 280 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: risk I'll take. You know, you don't want to be 281 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: wrong about heaven after you've died, right, Well, no downside, 282 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: There is downside. A lot of people died, estimated thirty 283 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: two thousand people from the shot itself. We also knew 284 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: pretty early on that the two groups of people that 285 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: had the highest chance of dying even that wasn't that 286 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: high was the extremely elderly compromised immunity system, the people 287 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,959 Speaker 1: who die from the cold every year, and the morbidly obese. 288 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 1: The idea that thirty five thousand people are so die 289 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: per year. I think is a number from the flu 290 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: every year. Would I would state that number again and 291 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: again and again and people could not would They wouldn't 292 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: believe me? But it's true. If you're around elderly people 293 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 1: all day, every day visiting assisted living center, I see this. 294 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 1: You realize there are very compromised immune systems for which 295 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: anything can take someone down. It's just the reality of it. 296 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 1: So once you understand that you were lied to, but 297 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: for a purpose. It wasn't good natured lying. It wasn't 298 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: it wasn't nypunting, it wasn't a good laugh. And then 299 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: we all guffawed over in this April fools prank. It's 300 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: for a purpose. Trump is upending the global order. That 301 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 1: global order makes a lot of people a lot of money, 302 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: and those people don't want to give up their nest egg. 303 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: The buggy whip manufacturer has houses all over the country. 304 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: His kids go to the best schools. They'll never work 305 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: for generations. They're as rich as they can be. He's 306 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 1: not just going to say of the automobile, well, it 307 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 1: travels faster, it's more comfortable. You'll get your life back. 308 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: We'll be able to move goods and services faster, more efficiently. 309 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: Everyone's quality of life will increase. He's not going to 310 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: say that because now he can't make buggy whips anymore. 311 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 1: He's going to personally lose from that. So he's going 312 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: to tell you, as was done, that this thing is 313 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: from the devil. Wow, you know, mister Jones says hers 314 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 1: from the devil. You know, I've always respected him. He 315 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: has everything to gain from the continuation of the buggy 316 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: whip business. He's going to have to suffer for all 317 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,479 Speaker 1: of us to gain because his product is outdated. Now 318 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 1: I don't know, mister Jones. You know he's a smart guy. 319 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: People are blowing my mind. I told you I learned 320 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: from COVID something that I was not happy to learn. 321 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: It did not make me feel good. I did not 322 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: feel enlightened. I felt genuinely depressed over it, genuinely depressed. 323 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,479 Speaker 1: How many people, and you know these people You might 324 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: be buried to them. They might be your parents or 325 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: adult children. You might work for them, might be their neighbor, 326 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: might be your pastor you know these people. These are 327 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 1: people who are susceptible to a very very carefully, brilliantly 328 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: crafted and executed manipulation campaign. And then what happens is 329 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 1: if enough people get scared, it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. 330 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: There's the fear. There is the fear because people begin 331 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: to sell off. The stock market teeters, It teeters on 332 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: the basis of an imperfect balance buyers and sellers. If 333 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: everybody panics because it's going to go down and they 334 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: start selling, you have more sellers than buyers, which drives 335 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 1: the price down, which has the self fulfilling prophecy of yeah, 336 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: what the price is going down? See? I told you 337 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: I don't care if somebody disrespects you. You can't shoot 338 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: Michael pass It's been reported, Oh Rogers, I shall not 339 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 1: be single. I couldn't bring myself to marry. 340 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 2: Just be me. We'll go riding. 341 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: Thresident Trump has not proposed a terriff for another nation 342 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: higher than the tariff they already impose upon us. So 343 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: what's the problem again, Let's rewind somewhere along the way 344 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,479 Speaker 1: now that people realize down to what extent, Now they 345 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: realize there are these terraffs. India has a seven hundred 346 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: percent tariff, I believe is the number on American agricultural 347 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 1: products coming into India seven percent, I mean seven times 348 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: what the good costs you have to pay to the 349 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 1: Indian government in taxes in order to be able to 350 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: sell your product to the Indian consumer wholesale retail. So 351 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 1: think about this. There was a day when the Indian 352 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: government said, let's put a seven hundred percent tariff on 353 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 1: American agriculture coman. Let's basically shut down America's farmers from 354 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 1: being able to come into India. Let's shut them down. 355 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: They did that. It happened, and we never heard about it. 356 00:26:55,040 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 1: It was never discussed here. We didn't hear the clarion 357 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: call sounded that look what India has done to the 358 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: American farmer. Nobody did that. Nobody was concerned. The Wall 359 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: Street journally in a panic over the teriffs. They didn't say, 360 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: America's farmers have been harmed. It was then the responsibility 361 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: of the American government, if it was going to happen, 362 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: to turn around and say, wait a second, you're using 363 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: your governmental power to intercede between the producer, grower and 364 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: the consumer. You're using granted your legitimate were you using 365 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: your governmental power to intercede to prevent deals from being 366 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: done that were being done because you don't need to 367 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 1: impose a tariff if we weren't sending any products in there. 368 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: In fact, it'd be kind of weird, wouldn't it. So 369 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: we were sending products and then we weren't overnight because 370 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: the market wouldn't bear it. So what did that do? 371 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: It spurred Indian industry, Indian ag to fill the gap, 372 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: and probably some other countries, and that might have been 373 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 1: part of a bilateral agreement with another country that India 374 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: was trying to get a deal from. Let's say India 375 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: was doing a deal with Israel and Israel wanted to 376 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: send in apples whatever that is. But the Israeli apple 377 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: costs more than the American apple and wasn't as good, 378 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: wasn't as established, didn't have the same brand. People didn't 379 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: like the look and feel of that. So the Indian 380 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: government said, well, you buy our silicon chips, we'll buy 381 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: your apples, and we'll agree to buy a billion dollars 382 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: worth of apples, and you agree Israel to buy a 383 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: billion dollars worth of Indian silicon chips. We said okay, 384 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: and India said, our consumers prefer the American apples. We'll 385 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: slap a seven hundred percent tariff when American apples coming 386 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: into India. So what do you think that did to 387 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: America's apple growers all of the people. First of all, 388 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: there's the farm that grows the apple. They don't need 389 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: your apples anymore. Okay, that's a problem because we plant 390 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: for decades. It's not something that we plant on Monday 391 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: and Wednesday it comes up. So we've got apples in 392 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: the ground. We've also invested, as you do in industry, 393 00:29:54,520 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: in land irrigation and equipment. We financed over twenty years 394 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: that now we don't have twenty years of production, and 395 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: the bills come and do and we can't afford that. 396 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: We have all the workers who moved here to work 397 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: at the apple orchard. We have the transportation company that 398 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: took loans to buy trucks to move the apples to 399 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: be shipped to India, but now we don't have any 400 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: apples to send them because of the seven hundred percent 401 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: tariff that India put on our apples. Well, that company's 402 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: going to go out of business now, the workers are 403 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: going to lose their jobs. The bank's not going to 404 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: get paid on the money they loaned on the business 405 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: that was going to happen, and why wouldn't it happen 406 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: because it had consistently happened for a long period of time, 407 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: because a tariff was imposed by the Indian government on 408 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: the American apple or I'm using that hypothetically could be anything, 409 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: and it is anything. I just happened to know. It's 410 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: a seven hundred percent agricultural tariff and all the things 411 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: that went into that, And so Americans were hurt. And 412 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: Americans were hurt across the country in all sorts of 413 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: different ways. The restaurants, the caterers that served them, the 414 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: insurance companies that provided for them, the renovation companies that 415 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: were working on their equipment, the maintenance companies, the local 416 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: governments that relied on those taxes. Americans were hurt again 417 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: and again and again and again and again by all 418 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: of these terraffs around the world that Trump is now 419 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: pointing out. Did anybody ever point that out to you before? 420 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: Did the Bushes, did the Bidens? Did the Obamas? No, 421 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: they didn't. They just went on with their American flag lapel, 422 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: We're America, we stand for freedom, we fight all your wars. 423 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: And yet the American people were being harmed, and they 424 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: never brought it up. They weren't indignant, they weren't angry 425 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: over this. It was nothing to discuss, nothing to discuss, 426 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: And the American people were just going on, Yeah, we 427 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: don't really make anything in his country anymore. They just 428 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: bi it at Walmart from somewhere else. And nobody ever asked, 429 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: why is that crazy? All these people that are panicked 430 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: that it's the end of the world. We're not panicked 431 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: six months ago over legitimate concerns over what the world 432 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: was doing to us. And Trump is the bad guy 433 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: for doing something about this? 434 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 4: Isn't that crazy to you? 435 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: Is that just nuts? I really worried, how what's going 436 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: to happen? Why are you worried? You were worried about 437 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: I remember you worried about COVID. Weren't you worried about 438 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: twenty twelve and the Mayan calendar? The Mayans? You were 439 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: worried that the Mayans had figured it all out. They 440 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: didn't figure out much, but they'd figured out when the 441 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: end was going to be. They just stopped making calendars 442 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: and that was the end. And you were real worried 443 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: about it. And then finally you weren't You moved on 444 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: almost as ef you don't think for yourself. It's almost 445 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: as if you are a pawn who to the global 446 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: machine and all of their tentacles, so they have locked 447 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: into you. It's a wonder if this country functions at all, 448 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: really 449 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 4: Lo