1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: always so much for tuning in. We are getting back 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: in the game. In two we had some breaks, but 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: once again I am joined with the one and only 5 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: Mr Max Williams. I am Ben and Noel. We have 6 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 1: reconvened with a great classic episode. This is one of 7 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: the ones that full confession. I used the research for 8 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: this to also do an episode on our other show Stuff. 9 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,319 Speaker 1: They don't want you to know, because this topic is 10 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:36,279 Speaker 1: just perfect. Is this Ridiculous History confessional corner. It can 11 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 1: be you know what your sins my son? Okay, as 12 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: I am, I am ordained. I am an ordained minister 13 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 1: in the Church of Ridiculousness, as as are we all 14 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: as are all of you as well, just by you know, 15 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: by listening. Um. But yeah, it's true. It's a really 16 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: cool episode. It reminds me I think I probably say 17 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: it in the Thing, literally the Thing. It reminds me 18 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: of the movie The Thing. The idea of you know, 19 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: being ruined by choice on an antarctic or something somewhat 20 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: of a tundra like um, you know, frozen wasteland where 21 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: you're there, you know, doing research and then people go 22 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: a little snow crazy, um, and you know you can 23 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: do that with or without some sort of parasitic shape shifting, 24 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: you know, body snatcher. Yeah, yeah, this is interestingly enough. 25 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: This episode is one of those episodes that gifted me 26 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: with a lot of trivia that was not going to 27 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: make it into the show but was still interesting to know, 28 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: such as, did you know folks that Metallica has performed 29 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 1: in Antarctica, making them, I think the only band to 30 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: play a show on all seven continents. Doesn't make it 31 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: into the episode, but it is pretty metal, and this 32 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: episode is pretty metal. Do you think that's why they 33 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: did it? It It wasn't specifically just to get the record, 34 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: and they seem like those kind of guys, especially large 35 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: Total Pedanta. He was probably his ideas, like, hey, you guys, 36 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: we gotta be the best. We've gotta be the only 37 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: ones the book a gig in an article. All as 38 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: you do is play Master of Puppets like halfway through, 39 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: and then we can check that off our our bucket list. 40 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,839 Speaker 1: He's like, otherwise, woo Tangle, beat us to it. I'm 41 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: just wondering if there's a band that has done like 42 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 1: six continents, but one of those six is an Arctica. 43 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,399 Speaker 1: They're just missing like South America or something. Never got 44 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: to Brazil. That's amazing. Not to mention, what's the music 45 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: scene like in Antarctica. Is it exclusively populated by weird, 46 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 1: insane science people or is there like a little niche 47 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: community that's playing like super super dark black metal. I 48 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: just expected it to be like solely like cigare Ross 49 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: the entire time. Uh. Antarctica, as we'll learn, is has 50 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: a very interesting population. You know. I think scientists are 51 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: endlessly fascinating people for the most part, and they also 52 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: have a population of staff, you know, folks who cook 53 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: the food, folks who keep things clean and do maintenance. 54 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: But there aren't a ton of people there. They are 55 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: living in very kind of sequestered, closed environments, and personalities 56 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: can rub each other the wrong way. Also, I don't 57 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: know if we mentioned this in our classic episode, but 58 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: alcoholism is a big problem and it leads to some 59 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 1: uh less than professional behavior. Okay, really quickly, I just 60 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: have to bring this up because I literally just googled 61 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: Antarctica music scene and an article came up on a 62 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: Journal of Musical Things dot com called Behold the World's 63 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: smallest music scene. It's an Antarctica. And here's the best part. 64 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 1: As you might guess, there are very few bands on 65 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: the entire continent of Antarctica. Nano Cyborg uber Holocausts was 66 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: formed by two scientists stationed at a research out post, 67 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,119 Speaker 1: so they and they're kind of their Their music scene 68 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: and their science scenes seem to be somewhat interwoven, which 69 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: so yeah, totally. I mean people on submarines or people 70 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: on long naval excursions will also seek some kind of recreations, 71 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: so it's not surprising that musicians might for bands. But 72 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: going back to my earlier point there, you can't blame 73 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: it all on the booze. But it is known that 74 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: while crime is rare in Antarctica, the isolation, the boredom, 75 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: the tedium, the personality clashes can lead to crime. And 76 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: a few years back, we asked ourselves what happens if 77 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: a murder occurs in Antarctica and just it heads up. 78 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: I think we really lean into the law and order 79 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: jokes on this one, I believe. So I wanted the 80 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 1: case you go back through and like remove all those 81 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: law and order sounds, things less less dick wolf coming 82 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: for us. Oh wait, before we start, what thing this happened? 83 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: This occurred to me? I thought you guys would appreciate it. 84 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: So I was watching a Law and Order marathon of 85 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: different spinoffs, and I started realized that some of the 86 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: stories are very similar, Like there's always a prom goes 87 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,559 Speaker 1: wrong episode, and I'm starting to wonder, did something happen 88 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 1: to Dick Wolf? Like, if you're listening, what went down 89 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: at your problem man? Are you okay? Like? How much 90 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: of this is coming from his real life? Please send 91 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: your answers. We'd love to hear them. It's a very 92 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 1: good question. And lastly, before we dive headlong into the 93 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: snow bound mania, it is this episode. The genre of 94 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 1: music that Nano Cyborg uber Holocaust plays is listed as ambient, cosmic, extreme, funeral, drone, 95 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: doom metal, or post noise. Perfect music to be murdered too, Indeed, 96 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: Enjoy Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. 97 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, lads and gentlemen, thank you so 98 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: much for tuning in. I'm Ben Boland, I am Noel Brown, 99 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: and Noel I have to tell you we're exploring a 100 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: very strange, someone dark story about one of my favorite places, 101 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: one of my like bucket list places to travel somewhat uncharted, yes, 102 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: slightly charted. It is the continent with the smallest population 103 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,679 Speaker 1: out of all of the continents and the entire area 104 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: there are a little bit over one thousand people. And 105 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 1: that continent would be that continent is Europe. Just kidding, switch, 106 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 1: I didn't study for that one. It's uh we we 107 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,359 Speaker 1: all know. You can probably guess just from hearing that 108 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: population statistic, it's Antarctica. What lies hidden beneath the Antarctic? 109 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: I love it when you do the vo movie voice 110 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: you know what it is? What is it? Apparently madness, 111 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: chaos and murder, most volum. I mean, Antarctica is basically 112 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:19,679 Speaker 1: like a cathulhu esque love craft Ian healthscape by many accounts. Yeah, 113 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: it is not made for people, and yet somehow people 114 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: hang out there. And out of all the continents in 115 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: the world, out of all the places on the planet 116 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: where humans can exist for a sustained amount of time, 117 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: this is an exception. And in many ways, the laws 118 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: governing Antarctica, or we were talking about this affair, they're 119 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: like the laws governing the Moon. It's all for the 120 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: good of science, for doing science, So no one can 121 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: no one country can own a piece of Antarctica, as 122 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: you know, like an extension of their own sovereign territory. 123 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: This place is for research, it's for environmental protection or conservation. 124 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: It's not the place where humanity is going to build, 125 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: you know, a stadium or a strip mall or another 126 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: large city. As it turns out, seven countries, we've got Argentina, Australia, Britain, Chile, France, 127 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: New Zealand and Norway. They all have sort of misshapen 128 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: territorial claims on this I see hellscape. Uh, I'm probably 129 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 1: editorializing a little bit there. I'm sure some people think 130 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: it's nice. Um, and the US and Russia actually have 131 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: sovereignty over are their own research stations for doing the science. 132 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: But none of these are officially recognized in the Antarctic Treaty, 133 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 1: which is a thing. And some of them actually even 134 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: overlap each other. Yeah, yeah, and this and these scientists 135 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 1: and these stations work together because there's literally no one 136 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: else there. And when when we say sovereignty, it's interesting 137 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: because it's similar to the way that a an embassy 138 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: would be sovereign soil, right regardless of which country or 139 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:21,359 Speaker 1: which area the world is located in so there's severenity 140 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 1: within these research stations and under the constraints of the 141 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: Antarctic Treaty. Let's get a little bit true crime. You 142 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: want to go kind of true crime? Okay, alright, alright, 143 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: just this is my elevator pitch. Let me know I'm listening. 144 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: If this doesn't work, all right me two thousand's fellow 145 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: named Rodney Marks, smart guy astrophysicist. He is spending the 146 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: winter at the South Pole. Wintering in the South Pole. Yes, yes, 147 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: as you do, very popular amongst astrophysicists. He had been 148 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: vomiting blood and hyperventilating. He had not been feeling well 149 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: before this, but twenty four hours of vomiting, hyperventilating and 150 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: he dies from it. Are you sure you're not describing 151 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 1: the plot of the thing. It's very it feels very 152 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: close at this point. We don't believe there were extraterrestrials. 153 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: Did a parasitic wolf burst forth from his remains and 154 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: devour faces? No, I know that didn't happen. I'm well, 155 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: we were we weren't there, and it's an isolated place. 156 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: It's pretty difficult, depending on the season, to know exactly 157 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: what's happening, right, And it can also be even more 158 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 1: difficult to transport people in and out of the place, 159 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: especially during winter. So when Rodney Marks unfortunately passes away, 160 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: they had to store his body for months until actually 161 00:10:55,880 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: late October. And then in New Zealand, the nearest you know, 162 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:07,239 Speaker 1: quote unquote civilized neighbor of Antarctica, they conducted an autopsy 163 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: there and this the single mysterious death Knel. It touched 164 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:16,839 Speaker 1: off an international incident because, as it turns out, after 165 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: the autopsy, the case was ruled a homicide. And because 166 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: of everything we said at the top of the show, 167 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: all of these overlapping interests and territorial you know, jurisdic jurisdictions, 168 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: I guess you could say, where would you try a 169 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: case like this? Yeah, and it gets complicated. See, this 170 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: astrophysicist was working on a US base but was an 171 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: Australian national. And now the autopsy is occurring in New Zealand. 172 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:51,719 Speaker 1: We're three countries deep, not even counting Antarctica. So if 173 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: this is a homicide, where is the case tried? You know, 174 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: the nineteen sixty one Antarctic Treaty says, as as we 175 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: have pointed out, earlier that this continent belongs to no nation. 176 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: It's not. While there might be severenity over research bases, 177 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: no country can say this whole part of this, this 178 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: whole eastern coast, or whatever is ours, or this whole 179 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 1: shebang is ours. This means that, uh, there's not a 180 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: clear case of who would be the law around those parts. Yeah, 181 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: let me read you a little exerpt from the I 182 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: guess abstract from the text of the treaty itself. The 183 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: Antarctic Treaty, the earliest of the post World War two 184 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: arms limitation agreements, has significance both in itself and as 185 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: a precedent. It demilitarized the Antarctic continent and provided for 186 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: its cooperative exploration and future use. It has been cited 187 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: as an example of nations exercising foresight and working in 188 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: concert to prevent conflict before it develops, Based on the 189 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: premise that to exclude armaments is easier than to eliminate 190 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: or control them once they have been introduced. The treaty 191 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: served as a model and its approach and even its 192 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: specific provisions for later non armament treaties. The treaties that 193 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: excluded nuclear weapons from outer space from Latin America and 194 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: from the seabed. So this is obviously like a very 195 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: specific case, and there are certain things that are not allowed, 196 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: like nuclear weapons, any kind of detonation or testing of 197 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: nuclear materials, or to use it as a dumping ground 198 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: for any kind of nuclear waste or anything like that. 199 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: But there are exceptions. Military personnel are allowed to be 200 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: employed in these research facilities, of which there are numerous ones. Yeah, 201 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: it's surprising. So when we think of Antarctica, most of 202 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 1: us will think of this vast, frozen, love crafty and 203 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: waste land with non Euclidean geometry in these hidden cities 204 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: minus the ancient alien stuff. It really I mean, it's 205 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: a desert. And we can only really rank civilization by 206 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: the amount of research stations. There's seventy five, and of 207 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: those operate around the year, around the clindrical clock. However, 208 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: there is a three month window when people can fly 209 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: in and out for most of these places. And let's 210 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: talk about crime speaking in fantastic segways, right, Uh, Can 211 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: I give you some greatest hits of some of these 212 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: research stations. Yeah, yeah, just one that I just have 213 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: to mention. So we have a one that's run by 214 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: France and Italy called Concordia. Um, there's one by Italy 215 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: alone called Mario's, Kelly. New Zealand's is called the scott Base, 216 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: and my personal favorite is Norway's, which is simply called 217 00:14:55,840 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: troll troll station, troll station. I'm in maybe they maybe 218 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: there are trolls in Antarctica, And the idea is if 219 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: we name it this, it will be right under their noses. 220 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: No one will know, no question. Troll stations research, which 221 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: would of course be polar trolls clearly, clearly. But the 222 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: crime the crime. So in the US, where we're recording 223 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: this show and where Noel and I have lived for 224 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: quite some time, if you commit a crime, a lot 225 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: of the later investigation and prosecution of that crime hinges 226 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: upon your location when you commit the crime. So you're 227 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: either tried by state or a federal court. And that 228 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: also depends on the type of crime, right, so like 229 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: a parking ticket for instance, or a let's say, let's 230 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: say something a little more serious, um a theft for instance, 231 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: versus a planned homicide. American courts have jurisdiction for some 232 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: crimes that have been outside of the United States, like 233 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: on a ship or something like that, that the flying 234 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: on American flag a military vessel or in this case 235 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: a American operated research facility. And as we as we 236 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: have sort of painted here, just just in the very 237 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: beginning of this investigation, Antarctica is the opposite of straightforward 238 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: and cut and dry. This is very complicated. There are 239 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: experts on the governance of Antarctica, one of them being 240 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: Dr Alan Hemmings. He spent two winters at the South 241 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: Pole with the British Antarctic Survey and according to Dr Hemmings, 242 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: there are no clear legal jurisdictions in Antarctica because there 243 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: are as we said earlier, there are no recognized territories. 244 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: They're just all these research stations. And of the seven 245 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: countries that we named that make these territorial claims, none 246 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: of them are recognized by the treaty from one, and 247 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 1: Asnell said, some of them overlap. The general rule for 248 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: people in the US is that a crime committed by 249 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: US national, US citizen at a US owned research facility 250 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: would be prosecuted in the U S. Court. That makes sense, right, 251 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: our citizens, our area, right our facilities, therefore our rules, 252 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: our legal system, and the same goes for the other 253 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: countries they're operating this that that checks out right so far, 254 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: that seems on the up and up totally. But then 255 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: Hemmings goes on to say, and I'll just read this quote. Um, 256 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: if the dead person and the alleged murderer are from 257 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: different states or countries and don't recognize each other's claims, 258 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: which most do not, particularly if the critical events occur 259 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: away from anybody's station, Uh, like you know, wandering snow 260 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:58,479 Speaker 1: blind in the frozen tundra of Antarctica. Uh, and you know, 261 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: maybe murdering somebody with a claw hammer and the snow 262 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 1: or something of that effect. I'm not saying, I just 263 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 1: you know, you could happen to Haer Um, you know, 264 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: in a campsite, is what he says. That's his example, 265 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 1: that's way better than mine. Uh. Then it won't necessarily 266 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: be clear who has jurisdiction, right, And this becomes the 267 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: crux of the complication. As far as Dr Hemmings knows, 268 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: there's never been a criminal prosecution for murder committed in Antarctica. 269 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna go on record here on our show 270 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: and say that I think there were probably murders that 271 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 1: occurred in Antarctica over the span of human history. We 272 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: know that there is violence and vice in this continent. 273 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: And we just brought up a real life example that 274 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: claw hammer thing happened. Yeah, no, the claw hammer thing 275 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: actually happened, not not in the way that I speculated earlier, 276 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: but um in n six there was an incident at 277 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: an Australian facility where a cook in the galley attacked 278 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: one of his uh fellow workers with the back end 279 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: of a claw hammer and uh, you know, no one 280 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: was killed and ultimately resulted in both both guys getting 281 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,479 Speaker 1: stitches and they actually ended up having to call him 282 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: the FBI, which set kind of an unusual precedent here, because, 283 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 1: like we were saying earlier, typically they can deal with 284 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 1: this stuff in house. Yeah, routine offenses, right are Usually 285 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: usually what happens is the person gets fired the contract, 286 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,479 Speaker 1: their their contract is not renewed or their grant if 287 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: there are scientists, you know, and without that contract or 288 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: without that grant, you can't go to Antarctica. You know, 289 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: he'd be a bummer, that that would be. That would 290 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 1: be a bummer if that was like your thing, you know, 291 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: that's how you define yourself. Was I am I am 292 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: an Antarctic Galli cook and this visitors can also be banned. Yeah. 293 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: In this ap article there's this fantastic line is just 294 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: tossed off very casually, and I adore it. Uh. It 295 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:15,360 Speaker 1: says visitors who taught the penguins and seals remove rock 296 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: samples or break other strict environmental laws are normally handled 297 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: by the station's chief scientist, who is a deputized U. S. 298 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: Marshal a k A. The most interesting person to talk to. 299 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: Write their chief scientists Nantarctica, they're also US Marshal. They're like, 300 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: they're like the law, you know what I mean, They're 301 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: the law around these parts. To me, that's that's fascinating 302 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 1: because we usually think of those two roles as being separate. 303 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: They're very much separate in our country. I just picture 304 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: them all as as being like Kurt Russell or Tommy 305 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: Lee Jones esque figures. And that's not the only Antarctic 306 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: horror story or crime story they're they're actually either numerous ones. 307 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 1: There's the Russian chess game where in someone I guess 308 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 1: the chess game went south no pun intended, and someone 309 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: attacked someone else with an X yeah, apparently killed them 310 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: in fact, but that happened on a Soviet facility, so 311 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 1: it stands the reason that it was dealt with, you know, 312 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 1: internally and with through the Soviet government. And then there's 313 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: another story of a scientist who, driven mad by isolation, 314 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: burned down their own station. I can't help but think 315 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: all of this stuff is just wonderful fodder for um 316 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 1: stories like John Carpenter's film The Thing, where a team 317 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: of Antarctic researchers are essentially driven mad with paranoia and 318 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,959 Speaker 1: you know, with the help of an invasive alien body 319 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: snatcher chest Burster kind of situation. And there's even episode 320 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,719 Speaker 1: of The X Files that follows a similar path with 321 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 1: an outbreak of a plague like disease on a research 322 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: facility and the accompanying paranoia that that follows. So you know, 323 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 1: it's all pretty rife with potential for great storytelling, for sure, 324 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 1: and it's something that I think can be universally recognized 325 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: on some level by any human being. The psychological claustrophobia involved, 326 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: right you're in a you're in a confined space with 327 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: interaction with the same people, whether or not you want it, 328 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 1: and that leads to problems right now when we're when 329 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 1: we're describing this, you know, we're just we're just barely 330 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: scratching the surface of the history of Antarctica. But the 331 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: reason we are describing this is not just because it's 332 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 1: a oh, gali g that's interesting legal problem. It's because 333 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: it will be come increasingly important as time goes on. 334 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 1: For you see, friends and neighbors. Antarctica has a secret 335 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: there's oil beneath the ice. And I did that like 336 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 1: we're gonna introduce something like there's gonna be a bum 337 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: bum kind of signal. We can we've already used that 338 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 1: sound effect that we can just we can just reuse them. Well, 339 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: we'll lean on our super producer, give us a cool 340 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:32,239 Speaker 1: sound queue here. Perfect, Okay. So it turns out that 341 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: Antarctica has rich oil reserves and they are a rife 342 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: for future exploration, which means that it is it is 343 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: pretty much certain that in the near to mid future, 344 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: more and more organizations, whether they are countries or whether 345 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 1: they are private companies working with the country, are going 346 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: to attempt to tap those oil reserves, which means that 347 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: more and more where people are going to be living 348 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 1: on this continent, and they're going to be people from 349 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: all around the world, Australians, people from the United States, 350 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: people from China, people from like name a country, yeah, sure, yes, 351 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 1: filled some time by naming more countries. Sure I can. 352 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 1: I can name some countries with you. Let's see. There's 353 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: also wait, we're not really We're not really, OK. That 354 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 1: would be very cheap. So right now we are as 355 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: a species that's sort of a wild West stage in 356 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: the legal story of Antarctica. In two thousand and three, 357 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: UH professor named W. Michael Is said, we've got to 358 00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 1: figure something out. We need to have the country, as 359 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: the nations that are active in Antarctica, establish a unified 360 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: criminal code. Let's all get on the same page. Right Currently, 361 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,199 Speaker 1: according to sign Is, one cannot easily determine whether an 362 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 1: action is a criminal act because of the various countries 363 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 1: involved and multiple basis for jurisdiction. This is an intolerable 364 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: situation for criminal defendant and violates any reasonable concept of 365 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,479 Speaker 1: due process, Which is an interesting way to look at it, 366 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: because not all crimes are prosecuted the same way or 367 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 1: carry the same consequences from one country to the next. 368 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,959 Speaker 1: You know, this reminds me of UH that story we 369 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,679 Speaker 1: did on our other podcast stuff they don't want you 370 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: to know about the zone of death in Yellowstone Park. 371 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: There's this like small area this uh sort of like 372 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 1: a triangle I guess, um where there's no legal jurisdiction 373 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: or it's like difficult to determine where to pull jurors 374 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: from for a case a crime that was committed there. 375 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,479 Speaker 1: And a researcher by the name of Cult kind of 376 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: pointed this out and wrote a paper about it, about 377 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: how you know how to commit the perfect crime in 378 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 1: um in the Yellowstone After In his defense, he only 379 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: published his paper after he had contacted numerous authorities and said, hey, 380 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 1: can we fix this because I don't wanna you know, 381 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: I we have actually had correspondence with the good doctor Cult, 382 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 1: and we we assure you he's a good guy. He 383 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 1: doesn't want people to commit crimes. Now. It wasn't like 384 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: a tutorial, like a like a how to guide. It 385 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: was just literally pointing to a problem which is very 386 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: similar to what we're seeing with UH with Antarctica, where 387 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: we need some kind of consensus, some kind of you know, multination, 388 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: you know panel, I guess that can address crimes committed 389 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: on the continent rather than and limiting them specifically to 390 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: the research bases proper, because, like I said, what happens 391 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: if you just you know, go off the reservation and wander, 392 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 1: you know, in a fit of madness and you know, 393 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: commit some sort of horrible crime. What happens then if 394 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: you're just like out in the wild, right, What if 395 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,199 Speaker 1: there are what if there's a situation where there are 396 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 1: multiple assailants or multiple homicides. And now we're looking at 397 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: a case where we could quite easily look at a 398 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: case where, god forbid, there was a series of murders, right, 399 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: and multiple murderers and multiple murder victims, and they're all 400 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: from different countries. How how do you even begin to 401 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 1: unpack that? How do you begin to uh organize that 402 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 1: that bowl of spaghetti, that bowl of cold spaghetti? Because 403 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 1: I'm doing weather references because we're talking about Antarctica. Well, 404 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 1: I think we should wrap up with, you know, the 405 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: ultimate determination of what happened with our astro physicist friend 406 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: Rodney Marks. It was determined that he most likely drank 407 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: a bad batch of liquor. Because that's another thing, you know, 408 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: when you're board and you're kind of marooned, uh and 409 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,360 Speaker 1: like sile it up in these these close quarters, there's 410 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: there's gonna be some drinking going on, and you know, 411 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: maybe folks are brewing their own homebrew. And I know that, 412 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: you know, when you make like white lightning or you know, 413 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: any kind of you know, home brewed liquor, there is 414 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: the potential for poisoning yourself if you don't do it right. 415 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: And his autopsy showed that he had lethal traces of methanol, 416 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: which is you know, points to that that very thing. Yeah, 417 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: it's a tragedy anyway you look at it. And every 418 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: everything we've touched upon in this episode is making me 419 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: think of all the other strange stuff we can explore 420 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: about and our including the Nazi proposal to create the 421 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: territory of New Schwabia, which is a story for another day. 422 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: You know what I want to know? No, let us know. 423 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: If you've been to Antarctica, we're automatically envious. We want 424 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: to hear of your adventures. I don't think I want 425 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: to go. You don't want to go. I don't think 426 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: i'll go, and I'll I will FaceTime. I don't want 427 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: to get snow murder madness. I will face time me 428 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: while I am in the grips of snow, murder, madness, uh, 429 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: dangerously psychotic. Right, I'll try and talk you down, dude, 430 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: but I can't. I can't guarantee I'll be successful. I 431 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: kind of just based on our friendship, I kind of 432 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: feel like you might end up accidentally enabling me. Okay, well, 433 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: then just don't just you just call somebody else. What's 434 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: all right? All right? You can call me and you 435 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: can contact us directly. You might be thinking, ben, No, 436 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: I have been to Antarctica. I have a story about 437 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: the history of it that is not just fascinating, it's 438 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: also wait for it, ridiculous. We would love to hear 439 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: from you. You can write to us directly. We are 440 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: ridiculous at how stuff works dot com and you know 441 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: we're on all the usual social media channels, um, you know, Twitter, Facebook, 442 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: Instagram and never Pinterest though never, never pinterrest. I'm not 443 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: I'm not anti Pinterest. I just don't I don't understand it, right, Yeah, 444 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: it's you know, it like a vision board. It's like 445 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: a vision board, and you and I already have one 446 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: of those. It's up on the wall here in the podcast. 447 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: It's great. We should we should send some pictures out 448 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: so we are off. I'm going to plan my descent 449 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: into antarctic madness. And Noel, thank you in advance for 450 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: saving my life. But we will be back very soon 451 00:30:50,160 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: with more ridiculous history. Thanks for listening, everybody, goodbye. For 452 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: more podcasts for my heart Radio, visit the I heart 453 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your 454 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: favorite shows.