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Speaker 1: This episode is the second in a two part series.

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Speaker 1: If you haven't heard Barbara Part one, please go back

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Speaker 1: and listen. Thanks, and on with the show. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: know I have a passion for dance.

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Speaker 2: No, I know that.

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Speaker 1: And I was wondering if I could because I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: be giving break dancing lessons online, and I was wondering

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Speaker 1: if you could put up a flyer about it at

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Speaker 1: the hospital. Do you guys have like a you know,

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Speaker 1: like a little staff room or something not a lover

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Speaker 1: of dance, I guess from Gimblet Media, I'm Jonathan Goldstein

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Speaker 1: and this is Heavyweight Today's episode Barbara Part two Barbara Wilson.

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Speaker 1: Right after the break, Barbara's online obituary contradicted everything my

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Speaker 1: mother in law, Becky, thought she knew about her old friend.

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Speaker 1: So Becky tasked me with finding out the truth. In

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Speaker 1: the process, I uncovered the murder Barbara committed in nineteen

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Speaker 1: sixty eight, But reading through the trial transcripts, the prosecution's

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Speaker 1: argument didn't make sense to Becky or to me. Why

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Speaker 1: would being asked to leave the nest provoke Barbara to murder?

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Speaker 1: To understand the why, I need to better understand the

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Speaker 1: who who was Barbara before Becky met her in Copenhagen.

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Speaker 1: So I'm heading back to the beginning when Barbara Shot

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Speaker 1: was Barbara Wilson. I start where I always start when

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to get to the bottom of anything in

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Speaker 1: my life. YouTube. Me and a buddy, Brian are down

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Speaker 1: here off of Whipper Wheel. This is Douglas and his

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Speaker 1: buddy Brian. On their YouTube channel. They post videos of

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Speaker 1: semitaries and other creepy locales that have fallen into ruin, and.

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Speaker 3: We have located the remnants to an old house down here.

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Speaker 1: What's this place called Galilean Children's Home?

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Speaker 4: Galilean Children's Home.

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Speaker 3: You can google it yourself.

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Speaker 1: If you were to google it, you'd see that the

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Speaker 1: Galilean Children's Home was an orphanage outside Corbin, Kentucky that

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Speaker 1: shut down in the nineteen fifties. The orphanage is where

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Speaker 1: Barbara was raised, back before she was adopted by the Shots,

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Speaker 1: back when she was Barbara Wilson.

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Speaker 5: Dad, Gum, here's an old boot.

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Speaker 1: There's a kid's sized boot right there. Founded in nineteen

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Speaker 1: thirty nine by a self ordained mountain preacher named John Vogel,

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Speaker 1: the orphanage was home to over eighty kids who considered

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Speaker 1: themselves brothers and sisters and called John Vogel Daddy. When

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Speaker 1: he was a boy, a house fire killed Vogel's five

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Speaker 1: step siblings but spared him. He took it as a

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Speaker 1: sign that he'd been chosen by God for a higher purpose.

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Speaker 1: Vogel brag that the Galileean Children's Home wasn't supported by

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Speaker 1: any church, state, or public endowment. He raised money through

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Speaker 1: donations and by touring the kids around the country in

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Speaker 1: a yellow school bus as a children's choir. Much of

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Speaker 1: what I learn about Vogel in the Home comes from

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Speaker 1: his autobiography, which, as my nephew THEO learned during his

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Speaker 1: lessons with Becky, is a book written by the person

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Speaker 1: that it's about.

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Speaker 6: Right Otto means self.

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Speaker 1: Vogel's autobiography, This Happened in the Hills of Kentucky, is

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Speaker 1: filled with folksy anecdotes about precocious kids getting up to

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Speaker 1: naughty shenanigans. I search the book for a mention of Barbara,

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Speaker 1: but only find one anecdote. It's about a little Barbara

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Speaker 1: who tries to convince Vogel to let her chew gum.

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Speaker 1: Barbara is a quote champion chatterbox who argues that if

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Speaker 1: her mouth is busy chewing gum, she won't be able

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Speaker 1: to talk as much. Barbara is given no last name,

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Speaker 1: but she reminds me of adult Barbara, who knew how

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Speaker 1: to get what she wanted. One of the comments on

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Speaker 1: Barbara's online obituary is from a fellow Galilean Children's Home resident,

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Speaker 1: a man named Larry Brewster, whom I decided to phone.

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Speaker 5: Mister Bruce's speaking.

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Speaker 1: Oh Hello, mister Brewster.

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Speaker 7: Yes, how did I guess? I'll like you to get

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Speaker 7: to call the new Oh.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how lucky it makes you, but I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you saying that I am. Once I've hand fanned

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Speaker 1: the blush from my cheeks. I explained to Larry that

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Speaker 1: I'm calling about Barbara Wilson and what life was like

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Speaker 1: at the Galilean Children's Home.

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Speaker 7: We had as many as twenty twenty one, twenty four

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Speaker 5: We had three months high m hmm.

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Speaker 7: I was taken there at the age of two years old.

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Speaker 7: I stayed there until nineteen fifty five. I brought them

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Speaker 7: thirteen years one long as it kids.

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Speaker 1: Hah.

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Speaker 5: I thought that's where everybody lived, had no, No, my house.

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Speaker 7: Wants me to tell you that we had Christmas dinner

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Speaker 7: with Colonel Sanders five years in a row.

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Speaker 1: Does Larry mean that Colonel Sanders? I wonder, But then

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Speaker 1: I take stock of my Yankee bias. Can one not

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Speaker 1: me that indeed he is talking about that colonel. It seems.

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Speaker 1: Colonel Harlan David Sanders was a patron of the Galilee

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Speaker 1: and Children's Home, and according to his memoir, life as

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Speaker 1: I have known it has been finger licking good. The

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Speaker 1: colonel had many failed careers insurance salesman, army mule tender,

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Speaker 1: But then, at the age of sixty five, the colonel

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Speaker 1: the Colonel excelled at birthing chickens. His very first restaurant

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Speaker 1: was located in Corbin, near the Orphanage. So you guys

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Speaker 1: had fried chicken for Christmas time.

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Speaker 7: Chicken everything, apple pie and ice cream on the cob,

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Speaker 5: We had it all. He spoiled. He said he wanted

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Speaker 5: to be our grandpa.

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Speaker 7: Did you know it won't be legal, but I will

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Speaker 7: be your grandpa.

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Speaker 1: Larry speaks warmly of his time at the home. He

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Speaker 1: says he attended class in a little schoolhouse, sang in

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Speaker 1: When I asked him about Barbara, though he doesn't remember much.

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Speaker 1: The boys and girls were kept pretty separate.

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Speaker 7: The one time we saw the girls are at school

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Speaker 7: because the miss Halls were separated. Girls had their own

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Speaker 1: John Vogel was pretty strict about segregating the boys and girls,

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Speaker 1: especially as they entered puberty. Was John Vogel like a

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Speaker 5: Oh? He was more definitely Uh?

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Speaker 7: In his mind. He wasn't for ours. It was was

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Speaker 7: we call him Dad Vogul. I have no nothing but

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Speaker 5: The rest of the memories. I tried to forget the

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Speaker 5: bad ones. Sorry, I tried to forget the bad ones.

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Speaker 1: And there there were bad ones. Well, Larry hesitates, as

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Speaker 7: They didn't have me come back once after I had

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Speaker 5: I had to go to court for some reason, and

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Speaker 5: I went to court. I gave him a.

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Speaker 7: Testimony, and I don't know if it helped the director,

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Speaker 7: if it hurt it did he did ask me to

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Speaker 1: Huh, what what what do you remember about the court case?

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Speaker 5: No? I really don't know much about it.

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Speaker 1: What court case is Larry talking about? When I get

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Speaker 1: off the phone, I look into it, and the records

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Speaker 1: I discover reveal a much darker portrait of the place

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Speaker 1: Barbara was raised than that of Larry's memory. And just

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Speaker 1: a quick warning, the details I'm about to share deal

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Speaker 1: with child sexual abuse and other sensitive subject matter. In

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Speaker 1: nineteen fifty five, sixteen years after opening the home, John

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Speaker 1: Vogel was indicted for rape. A headline from the Lexington

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Speaker 1: Herald reads, Daddy John Vogel was a serpent in a

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Speaker 1: hilly garden of Eden. Two sisters who had grown up

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Speaker 1: at the home accused Vogel of raping them. The abuse

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Speaker 1: began in their early teens and lasted years. Vogel threatened

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Speaker 1: Whennita was twenty when she finally came forward Ruby nineteen.

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Speaker 1: Ruby's case went to court first, and parenthetically it was

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Speaker 1: Colonel Sanders who posted Vogel's bail. A hung jury led

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Speaker 1: As for Weanita, fearing a trial would cause her public embarrassment,

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Speaker 1: she eventually withdrew the charges, but she always maintained that

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Speaker 1: her accusations against Vogel were true. John Vogel wasn't the

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Speaker 1: only person to publish a memoir about life at the

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Speaker 1: Galilean home.

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Speaker 6: Memoir comes from a French word meaning memory.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it sort of sounds like memory, yes, Now a

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Speaker 1: memoir is the self anointed. Love and Terror in my

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Speaker 1: Father's House is written by John Vogel's only biological child,

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Speaker 1: Leonor Duprie. Lenore is now eighty seven years old and

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Speaker 1: lives in a Senior Residence hotel in Michigan, where she

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Speaker 1: talks to me over the phone about her father.

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Speaker 2: He could charm the bands off the people, you know,

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Speaker 2: and everybody thought he was a real wonderful person, but

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Speaker 2: behind the scenes he was pretty much of a dirty dealer.

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Speaker 3: How do you mean, Well, if she got all.

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Speaker 2: Involved with these girls because he didn't want them ever

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Speaker 2: so they would feel obligated to him. Oh, you know,

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Speaker 2: then everything just kind of got in the wrong pocket.

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Speaker 2: You know, people have can try to make you do

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Speaker 2: things for God, and it's not really for God. It's

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Speaker 1: In her book, Lenor describes her father calling her into

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Speaker 1: girls seems so committed to me, Fogel says, why are

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Speaker 1: you so slow to commit yourself to God? He reached

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Speaker 1: things like that all the time, the girl told Leonor.

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Speaker 1: I explained to Lenora the reason for my call about

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Speaker 1: my mother in law, Becky, about Copenhagen, about a girl

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Speaker 1: who grew up at the home named Barbara Wilson.

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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, I do remember Barbara. Yeah, she was

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Speaker 2: a real cute little kid. She was sort of dark

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Speaker 1: I explained to Leonora that, in fact, it's that trouble

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Speaker 1: that I'm phoning about. Is there anything from Barbara's past

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Speaker 1: that might help explain why she later did the thing

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Speaker 1: she did? Lenora volunteers the details she remembers, including how

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Speaker 1: Barbara came to live at the home.

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Speaker 2: Their background was kind of cool. I think that the

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Speaker 3: A palsy a nervous disorder.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and she was shaking so hard all the time.

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Speaker 2: She couldn't take care of her children.

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Speaker 1: Barbara wasn't the only Wilson and left at the orphanage.

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Speaker 1: An older brother, Earl, had been brought there too. Growing up,

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Speaker 1: though Barbara and Earl barely knew each other, since Vogel

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Speaker 1: kept the boys and girls segregated. When I ask Leonora

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Speaker 1: if she thinks John Vogel might have prayed on Barbara.

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Speaker 1: She says she doesn't think so that it wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: fit his mo O. Vogel was mostly focused on the

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Speaker 2: She was taken special care of by one of our teachers,

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Speaker 2: Miriam Jones, just almost adopted her as her private child.

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Speaker 1: Was it was it typical like were there other teachers

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Speaker 1: who kind of adopted informally adopted students there?

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Speaker 2: Or was that? Oh? Miriam Jones fell in love with

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Speaker 3: He had a wife that was much younger than he was.

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Speaker 5: Other than that, I don't remember a single thing.

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Speaker 1: Charles was a beloved figure at Berea College. The class

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Speaker 1: But when I reach out to alumni who might have

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Speaker 2: I don't really think that I have anything to contribute.

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Speaker 1: I make a request to Barea for Charles's papers, his

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you really picked a story.

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Speaker 1: This is Charles's granddaughter from that first family. Something new

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you really picked a story.

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Speaker 1: Charles's granddaughter asked me not to use her real name,

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Speaker 3: I've been walking because I can't get my steps counted

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Speaker 1: Okay, what do you how many steps do you average

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Speaker 1: It seems I haven't left my desk in days. Barbara's

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Speaker 1: case has become all consuming. Nancy is Charles's granddaughter from

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Speaker 3: She was aunt Barbara. She was part of the family.

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Speaker 3: It is kind of a surprise, obviously when someone is

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Speaker 1: According to Nancy, Barbara was distraught when she learned of

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Speaker 3: She was just begging them to take her with them,

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Speaker 3: She had no one. Barbara was communicating to them that

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Speaker 3: if they didn't adopt her, they were hurting her, they

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Speaker 1: Once the adoption was official, Nancy says Charles and Jane

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Speaker 1: about Barbara's trip to Copenhagen, a graduation gift from Jane

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Speaker 1: In fact, the summer after Jane's murder, while Barbara was

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Speaker 1: Throughout his life, Charles remained convinced that Barbara was innocent.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, wouldn't that have been why he I mean,

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Speaker 3: They were According to one of my cousins, they were

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Speaker 1: How do you think they meant that?

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Speaker 3: Well, I know what he meant. He meant that he

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Speaker 8: Yes, yes, that was one of the discoveries that they

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Speaker 1: Yeh yeah. For my mother in law, Becky and I,

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Speaker 6: Was it to get rid of a rival? I mean,

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Speaker 6: how did she feel about her mother? Did she hate

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Speaker 1: Did Barbara murder Jane not just because Jane was kicking

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Speaker 6: In some ways, it kind of makes the story, It

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Speaker 6: You know, you can fall pretty hard when you're a

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Speaker 1: You can also be taken advantage of. I think back

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Speaker 3: I could only speculate that Jane would be more concerned

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Speaker 1: Not healthy for Barbara. Correct that is, Jane wasn't threatened

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Speaker 3: Yeah, in Barbara's mental health.

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Speaker 1: There's another version of how Barbara first met Jane that

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Speaker 1: It's ironic that the mother who was arguably trying to

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Speaker 3: I would like to know what else your mother in

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Speaker 1: The shots aren't mentioned in Barbara's obituary, but the Wilsons are.

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Speaker 1: As it turns out, the Wilsons knew of their distant

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Speaker 1: She wasn't the one seeking family, family was seeking her.

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Speaker 1: to offer sanctuary. In trying to understand who Barbara was.

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Speaker 1: I spoke to many people who knew her from many

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Speaker 1: different points in her life, her school days, her working life,

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Speaker 1: her retirement. But when I talked to the kids she

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Speaker 1: a recurring refrain. No one wanted to believe that Barbara

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Speaker 1: had done it, perhaps because Barbara was the one who

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Speaker 1: got out, the one who graduated college, who found a

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Speaker 1: nice family and made something of herself. I'm eighty four

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Speaker 1: years old, said one woman from the home, who didn't

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Speaker 1: want me to use her name. What happens to you

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Speaker 1: as a child, you will never get over it, never ever, ever.

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Speaker 1: I often wonder how many of these kids made it okay,

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Speaker 1: how many of these kids didn't go to jail or

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Speaker 2: A baby was born at the county jail and we

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Speaker 2: were asked to take him. His name was Jackie.

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Speaker 1: This is Leonora again, John Vogel's daughter, reading from her memoir.

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Speaker 1: In it, she never mentions Barbara, but she does include

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Speaker 1: a passage about a little boy named Jackie. Jackie is

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Speaker 1: the pseudonym Lenor used for Earl Wilson, Barbara's older brother.

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Speaker 2: His name was Jackie. The mother was a ripe victim,

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Speaker 2: and the baby was tiny and sickly. It was a risk.

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Speaker 2: If he had died, we would have been in for

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Speaker 2: some kind of investigation. But the baby lived and no

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Speaker 2: one ever inquired about him, and watched him grow and

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Speaker 2: become a beautiful child. Sometimes I stare at him, wondering

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Speaker 2: how such an exquisite thing could come into the world

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Speaker 2: under such horrible conditions. Was it possible that each life

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Speaker 2: was a fresh start, a gift channel straight from the beyond,

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Speaker 2: without regard to its surroundings? Did Jackie have a chance

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Speaker 2: to grow up normal? Sometimes I get a bit choked

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Speaker 2: up and I can't do it on the Did Jackie

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Speaker 2: have a chance to grow up normal? Did any of us?

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Leonora. When my mother in law, Becky first

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Speaker 1: told me Barbara's story, Copenhagen was just one more interlude

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Speaker 1: in Barbara's life with privilege and good fortune. But Copenhagen

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Speaker 1: might have been a special for Barbara as it was

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Speaker 1: for Becky. The trip is mentioned in the court transcript.

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Speaker 1: It comes up when Barbara's lawyer asked Barbara to give

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Speaker 1: an account of her life. She lists a series of

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Speaker 1: milestones getting into Berea, finally being adopted and the summer

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Speaker 1: she spent working at the laundromat in Denmark. The first

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Speaker 1: time I saw it, it surprised me. But now knowing

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Speaker 1: what Barbara's life was like before the trip and after it,

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Speaker 1: I think I understand.

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Speaker 6: I believe that she was totally happy when she was

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Speaker 6: in Denmark, and I just wonder if maybe that wasn't

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Speaker 6: one of the happiest times, or certainly her last happy time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it might have been.

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Speaker 6: Our friendship was almost I had a purity to it,

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Speaker 6: like we didn't bring our baggage to it. We enjoyed

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Speaker 6: the moment with each other and that was all. It

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Speaker 6: had no past and it had no future no matter

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Speaker 6: what she did afterwards. We had what we had and

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Speaker 6: that won't change for me.

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Speaker 1: While at my in laws for dinner recently, I saw

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Speaker 1: pinned to the kitchen courtboard, beside the emergency phone numbers

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Speaker 1: and coupons, a photograph of Becky and Barbara. In the photo,

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Speaker 1: they're in city Hall Square in Copenhagen. Becky is in

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Speaker 1: jeans and a striped t shirt, carrying a tote bag.

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Speaker 1: Barbara has an expensive looking leather purse and is wearing

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Speaker 1: a skirt and trench coat. She looks as glamorous as

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Speaker 1: she does in all the newspapers and courtroom photos, except

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Speaker 1: in this photo she's smiling.

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Speaker 4: Now that the fern entures riff turning to its goodwill home,

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Speaker 4: now that the last month's rent is scheming with.

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Speaker 1: The damage to poss take this moment.

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Speaker 2: To to solve.

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Speaker 5: If we ment, if we talked, we.

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Speaker 4: Remember felt around for five t from things that accidentally

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