Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Psychology Podcast with doctor Scott
Speaker 1: Barry Kaufman, where we give you insights into the mind, brain, behavior,
Speaker 1: and creativity. Each episode will feature a new guest who
Speaker 1: will stimulate your mind and give you a greater understanding
Speaker 1: of yourself, others, and the world we live in. Hopefully
Speaker 1: we'll also provide a glimpse into human possibility. Thanks for
Speaker 1: listening and enjoy the podcast. Hey, Hi, everyone, My name
Speaker 1: is Taylor Chris. I am the executive producer of The
Speaker 1: Psychology Podcast, and today I psyched to be guest interviewing
Speaker 1: my friends and just just a really interesting guy, mister
Speaker 1: Jared Kleinhardt. Jared and his ripe old age twenty one,
Speaker 1: has crafted a pretty stellar resume for himself. I'll read
Speaker 1: a little bit to you now. Jared is an entrepreneur,
Speaker 1: a ted and keynote speaker, and an award winning author
Speaker 1: who's been named USA Today's most Connected millennial. His first book,
Speaker 1: Two Billion Under twenty, was voted the number one entrepreneurship
Speaker 1: book of twenty fifteen, and his new book, three Billion
Speaker 1: Under thirty explores how top performing top performers in the
Speaker 1: millennial generation have achieved exponential success and impact in record time.
Speaker 1: He's been featured by almost every major media outlet, including Mashable, Fox, ABC,
Speaker 1: Washington Post, Forbes, Fortune Fast Company, and others, and the
Speaker 1: United Nations has named him a Champion for Humanity. I'll
Speaker 1: give that a second to sync in. And I've been
Speaker 1: on the podcast before, so I was on with you.
Speaker 1: Scott was interviewing me last time. That was a really
Speaker 1: funny episode. I think we were talking about naked rabbis
Speaker 1: or something like that. So we maybe have to give
Speaker 1: a link to that past episode. But you and I
Speaker 1: we jam well together. So thanks for thanks for having
Speaker 1: me on again. Most absolutely, dude, this is our pleasure.
Speaker 1: I just gave that episode to re listen, by the way,
Speaker 1: before this one, and I was cracking up the whole time,
Speaker 1: sitting on Philadelphia sept to Transit cracking up. Or we
Speaker 1: probably thought I was a little nutty, but I was
Speaker 1: having a good time. I don't even know if we
Speaker 1: spoke about anything substantial. I think we just made jokes
Speaker 1: the entire time. But hopefully I can I can balance
Speaker 1: a little more this time with you know, super practical
Speaker 1: info but also some amazing story. Yeah, man, let's dive
Speaker 1: into it. You know, first of all, I just got
Speaker 1: to say, like, good on you for accomplishing a fair amount,
Speaker 1: having just reached the age of being able to drink
Speaker 1: a beer. Thank you man. Yeah, it's astounding. In your
Speaker 1: new book details some similar stories of all of these
Speaker 1: just impactful individuals are doing wonderful things on an exponential level,
Speaker 1: all under the age of thirty. Yeah, about thirty thirty two.
Speaker 1: We snuck a few old people in there, but no,
Speaker 1: it's just been a super humbling journey. You know. I've
Speaker 1: spent probably the last four years identifying, befriending, and sharing
Speaker 1: the stories of top performers in the millennial generation. And
Speaker 1: I hate to use the word millennial, but I'll only
Speaker 1: want to use it for the sake of stereotyping by
Speaker 1: age in the conversation. I think, if you want to
Speaker 1: stereotype anything else, we can stereotype better. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's just been humbling to bring together everyone ranging from
Speaker 1: the founder of word Press to two time defending fittest
Speaker 1: woman in the world Patrine Davis Dodor to a Syrian
Speaker 1: war refugee, and all this different stories and ideas in
Speaker 1: between from all these different cultures. Just been a very
Speaker 1: humbling experience. But it's also you know, I think this
Speaker 1: book is a lot better than two billion under twenty.
Speaker 1: We just really focused on making a world class product
Speaker 1: with the first book. Everyone was twenty and under a
Speaker 1: time of sharing their stories, and they were still olympians
Speaker 1: and still singers and actors and scientists. But with the
Speaker 1: extra you know, up to ten years in living and
Speaker 1: building careers and having impact in the world. There's just
Speaker 1: all these different storylines that are covered. We've parents in
Speaker 1: this book. We have people who are married, we have
Speaker 1: people that have gone through a new election cycle, people
Speaker 1: that have been victims of a or survivors of a
Speaker 1: civil war. So just all these more relevant things that
Speaker 1: have been going on, and you know, I'm just really
Speaker 1: excited to s the research with it. You know, all
Speaker 1: the inspiring stories, the practical takeaways from the info, all
Speaker 1: in one fancy, fancy book. We're excited to hear about it. Man.
Speaker 1: I got the the reader edition beforehand, which made me
Speaker 1: feel very special. Thank you for such a special Oh
Speaker 1: you're sweet. We like you, We like you. Jay. One
Speaker 1: of my favorite things about the format of it is
Speaker 1: that at any moment, if I just need a little
Speaker 1: kick in the pants or some form of inspiration. I
Speaker 1: can just open to a random page and get some
Speaker 1: incredible story of some of the wonderful things their millennials
Speaker 1: are up to you nowadays, which is a great thing
Speaker 1: I think for me to get to interview you right now.
Speaker 1: At any moments, I can always just say, like, hey, Jared,
Speaker 1: tell me something really incredible like go but says that
Speaker 1: a prompt was that, you know what, Let's yeah, let's
Speaker 1: run with that. How about a prompt. Have you got
Speaker 1: like maybe one or two of your favorites? I you know,
Speaker 1: you just mentioned a few about some wonderful athletic achievements
Speaker 1: and technological But what's one that really resonates with you
Speaker 1: or you think might resonate with the audience. So if
Speaker 1: you want to talk about positive psychology and things like
Speaker 1: having gratitude and sort of going after your goals in
Speaker 1: life from a place of positivity, I think the last
Speaker 1: story in the book is my favorite in that lens,
Speaker 1: and it comes from a Syrian war refugee. I keep
Speaker 1: referencing that vignette, but disease. D'ab was in Syria growing
Speaker 1: up and all his life he wanted to go to
Speaker 1: Germany to study at university, and he also wanted to
Speaker 1: study mechatronics in order to work in aeronautics in that world.
Speaker 1: And throughout his K through twelve education as we would
Speaker 1: know it here in university, he kept getting installed by
Speaker 1: different parts of the war. He eventually to Aleppo for
Speaker 1: probably like three to six months to study. That got
Speaker 1: stopped because the war moved there and he had to
Speaker 1: leave his family behind and leave the town and the
Speaker 1: country in very Holocaust like situations, you know, meaning being
Speaker 1: packed into a truck with you know, fifty other people
Speaker 1: with a tiny hole to breathe in at the top,
Speaker 1: and then after that, you know, going on to apparely
Speaker 1: inflated raft to get you know, to cross the sea,
Speaker 1: and then going through multiple countries, eventually making it to Germany.
Speaker 1: That's where he is now, and he's a refugee there
Speaker 1: and because of his goal earlier in life, he'd actually
Speaker 1: started studying the German language and now he's he's one
Speaker 1: of the people who translates between other Syrian war refugees
Speaker 1: and the German community there. He's studying in university. He
Speaker 1: just got into a pretty prestigious school there and is
Speaker 1: studying megatronics. But his piece in the book. The book
Speaker 1: is broken down into five parts Start, Risk, Journey, Learn
Speaker 1: to Succeed, which I would say are five steps to
Speaker 1: finding and acting on your passions in life. His story,
Speaker 1: which is the very last in the succeed chapter and
Speaker 1: the book therefore, it's just like, if you're breathing, you're successful.
Speaker 1: You know, like if you're alive, you're successful. You know,
Speaker 1: he had to see a lot of death and horror
Speaker 1: and tragedy, even you know, a soldier shooting his guitar
Speaker 1: and like saying there's no music allowed here before he
Speaker 1: left town. So yeah, that just kind of puts it
Speaker 1: in perspective when you're done reading all these stories and
Speaker 1: kind of going through the ups and downs of everyone's journeys,
Speaker 1: and he comes down, he's like, you know what, if
Speaker 1: you're breathing, you're successful. I think that's just a really
Speaker 1: amazing way to end the book and also a great
Speaker 1: place to come from. You know, really, the obstacles we
Speaker 1: face on a daily basis are not that bad compared
Speaker 1: to what some others are going through, and even those
Speaker 1: people find a way to be grateful for certain things
Speaker 1: in their life and find a way to contribute and
Speaker 1: have meaning in what they're doing, so I think we
Speaker 1: should all be doing the same for the best of
Speaker 1: our ability. Well put Wow, it's powerful. Yeah, I almost
Speaker 1: tear up every time I've emailed the dude understandable. I
Speaker 1: have a friend who's a mindfulness expert by the name
Speaker 1: of Corey Mascara, who's actually going to be on the
Speaker 1: show pretty soon. But he'll start off a lot of
Speaker 1: his guided meditations just by saying, pay attention to your breathing.
Speaker 1: And when you stop to appreciate that, just that you're breathing,
Speaker 1: there's probably a lot more that's right with you than
Speaker 1: wrong with you. I think you're so right. We about
Speaker 1: first world problems nowadays and gets so anxious and and
Speaker 1: upset to the point of depression over you know, we
Speaker 1: didn't get that absolute number one maximize new job that
Speaker 1: we wanted, or you know, the best new iPhone, And
Speaker 1: it all sounds a little silly if you stop to
Speaker 1: just think about some of the experiences that people have
Speaker 1: encountered in human history, and it draws you back to
Speaker 1: just a place of appreciation and thankfulness for we're sitting
Speaker 1: here right now having this conversation. Man, It's like it's
Speaker 1: a wonderful thing. Yeah. And another story that comes to
Speaker 1: mind as far as the practical application of mindfulness and
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff, is of Katrine Davis Stoter, who's
Speaker 1: the two time fittest woman in the world winner of
Speaker 1: the CrossFit Games, which is what gives her that title.
Speaker 1: And she grew up trying out multiple sports. She was
Speaker 1: a big gymnast soccer player, but she never really found
Speaker 1: her athletic calling until she tried to CrossFit. And she
Speaker 1: grew up in Iceland where the sport is huge and
Speaker 1: kind of their original hero who is now her current
Speaker 1: training partners like Annie thorist Oder who had won the
Speaker 1: Games a few times. And you know, Kasheene starts practicing CrossFit.
Speaker 1: Within a year or two of getting into the sport,
Speaker 1: she already was making regionals for CrossFit, which is sort
Speaker 1: of the competition before the big Games that happens in
Speaker 1: California every year, and she training for that regional event.
Speaker 1: She was crushing it on all these different parts of
Speaker 1: the sport because there's all these different exercises you have
Speaker 1: to do, and like that, it's a compilation of your
Speaker 1: scores and all that that allows you to rank and
Speaker 1: move forward, right there was this like rope climb that
Speaker 1: she kept writing because she wasn't that great at it,
Speaker 1: and so she built it up in her mind that
Speaker 1: she was fearful of this rope climb and whatnot. And
Speaker 1: turns out when she gets into regionals that year, probably
Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen or twenty fourteen, she got on the
Speaker 1: rope climb, got one of them done out of maybe
Speaker 1: six or seven, and then completely broke down and what like,
Speaker 1: was leading the pack and she just starts crying in
Speaker 1: the middle of her competition and could not regain composure,
Speaker 1: and she ended up not making it to the national
Speaker 1: or international stage. And you know, after that kind of
Speaker 1: mental breakdown, she had it in her mind that she
Speaker 1: was going to really invest in not only becoming the
Speaker 1: best athlete, but also conquering her own mental gym, and
Speaker 1: so she brought on a coach. She really worked on
Speaker 1: affirmations and looking ahead into the future and kind of
Speaker 1: picturing what it would be like to be successful. A
Speaker 1: lot of the stuff that you guys to teach a patent,
Speaker 1: I would imagine. And the next two years she was
Speaker 1: you know, she won not only regionals but also the
Speaker 1: international competition. So it just goes to show you, you know,
Speaker 1: what the power of that sort of mindfulness is. You know,
Speaker 1: it could take you from if you're an athlete, you know,
Speaker 1: your your regional, your local level, to potentially winning a
Speaker 1: championship at the highest level of your sport. Maybe in business,
Speaker 1: it might allow you to add a zero or two
Speaker 1: zeros behind the value of your company or the paycheck
Speaker 1: you're getting. It might allow you to survive a terrible,
Speaker 1: you know, experience like a civil war, or there's people
Speaker 1: in the book who have been survivors of rape and
Speaker 1: sexual assault and cancer. But yeah, I think Katrine's story
Speaker 1: is really interesting about that mental toughness and how she
Speaker 1: really applied that that mindfulness to her everyday practice. You know.
Speaker 1: The thing that popped up, I think most often just
Speaker 1: the way that I was reading the book was just
Speaker 1: the use of strengths human virtues, that which is best
Speaker 1: in us, kindness, creativity, persistence. You know, every one of
Speaker 1: these people is really a paragon on some level. And
Speaker 1: the demonstration of something amazing that humans can do in
Speaker 1: that way, it's incredibly inspiring. It motivated me to like
Speaker 1: get out and do some things I've been fearing myself,
Speaker 1: but like what so I forget her crying. Yes, you know,
Speaker 1: public speaking, And it's very funny that we're actually kind
Speaker 1: of doing this right now. I guess there's always something
Speaker 1: that absolutely terrified me, and I know that's actually fairly common.
Speaker 1: I think public speaking from some surveys has been shown
Speaker 1: to be right up there with some of the more
Speaker 1: horrifying things that you can think of, Like I wish
Speaker 1: I could remember something else on the list, but they're
Speaker 1: akin to like kind of attacked by a shark. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like hyping, Yeah, another big one. Yeah. She was a
Speaker 1: performer in competitive spelling piece. Yeah, does this ring a bell?
Speaker 1: I mean there's seventy five of them. That's harder. There
Speaker 1: we go. Yeah that sounds right. Yeah yeah. Listening to
Speaker 1: the way that she was able to conquer, I mean
Speaker 1: she literally had an anxiety attack on the stage from
Speaker 1: when I remember like she could barely need to let
Speaker 1: alone spell the word, the spasm that she messed up. Really,
Speaker 1: that seems apps somehow, you know, you read this and
Speaker 1: it's basically a self efficacy boost. You see that other
Speaker 1: people can conquer their fears, that they can achieve incredible things.
Speaker 1: I found it especially heartening that someone who could reach
Speaker 1: such a high level experienced that kind of dread and anxiety,
Speaker 1: because I think a lot of the time we think
Speaker 1: people like Richard Branson or Steve Jobs just sort of
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say floated through life. Obviously they worked very hard,
Speaker 1: but they were born with some innate talent or some
Speaker 1: ability that the rest of us mere mortals just don't possess.
Speaker 1: Kind of thing. So there's actually a story in the book.
Speaker 1: It kicks off one of the sections. I believe it's
Speaker 1: learn or I think it's the Learned section where Jack
Speaker 1: Deloso is one of the biggest entrepreneurs and thought leaders
Speaker 1: and coaches for other entrepreneurs in Australia. He got to
Speaker 1: go to Necker Island during the same week that virgin
Speaker 1: lost one of their pilots in like a test exercise
Speaker 1: or in a scheduled launch, and so he got to
Speaker 1: see Richard Branson at his lowest point and having to
Speaker 1: deal with global press attacking him and calling for resignation
Speaker 1: or closing the company and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: And that's the entirety of his piece in three Billion
Speaker 1: Under thirty Jacks pieces that you know, these people, these
Speaker 1: rates in history are just like us, and a lot
Speaker 1: of times they you know, if you study them on
Speaker 1: a day to day basis, or if you study them
Speaker 1: from their origins, you know, they still have a lot
Speaker 1: of the same problems or issues or challenges that we do.
Speaker 1: And it is really interesting to know that, you know
Speaker 1: that they aren't these perfect figurines or they're not to
Speaker 1: be put on a pedestal. They're just really good at
Speaker 1: finding their strengths and then acting on that wholeheartedly. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that one stuck out in my mind. Actually, I remember
Speaker 1: it was. It was just funny to hear that you
Speaker 1: walked out and found him on the beach, like sitting
Speaker 1: in his board shorts, you know, just looking kind of
Speaker 1: upset like any other person you didn't know is Richard Branson. Yeah,
Speaker 1: by himself like staring into the abyss. Yeah. Huge self
Speaker 1: efficacy boost. Yeah, And I think that's you know, one
Speaker 1: of the big things with everyone in the book is
Speaker 1: that they do have this growth mindset about their work
Speaker 1: and about the impact that they want to have in
Speaker 1: the world, about what accomplishments that are chasing, because everyone's
Speaker 1: chasing something different. You know, someone listening to this might
Speaker 1: want to become an author themselves, or speak publicly and
Speaker 1: build a career there, or run a nonprofit and give
Speaker 1: it back to a certain cause, or have or build
Speaker 1: a business, or do something else, maybe become an entrepreneur.
Speaker 1: But a lot of the takeaways in the book they
Speaker 1: all stem around these seventy five outliers and how they've
Speaker 1: been able to accomplish more in their world in six
Speaker 1: months or a year or three years than most people
Speaker 1: in previous generations were able to do in entire lifetimes.
Speaker 1: And so I think that's the big takeaway from the book.
Speaker 1: You know, regardless of your age, regardless of the industry
Speaker 1: let you operate in, you know, this could give you
Speaker 1: some mindsets to use, some tips as to how to
Speaker 1: achieve that exponential impact, and a lot you know that
Speaker 1: could be growth, the benefits of a growth mindset. You
Speaker 1: could say, what a growth growth mindset can allow you
Speaker 1: to do. So it definitely ties into a lot of that.
Speaker 1: The books are cornycopia that way. So you just used
Speaker 1: the term a moment ago that I just I had
Speaker 1: never heard before, And I'm sort of fascinated by what
Speaker 1: is an interpreneur someone who applies entrepreneurial tendencies to like
Speaker 1: within another organization. And so I believe that millennials, if
Speaker 1: you want to keep stereotyping, I actually hate staring stereotyping
Speaker 1: like that. But it is shown that like millennials are
Speaker 1: the most entrepreneurial generation yet, although that isn't necessarily in
Speaker 1: the form of business ownership or creation. And so these
Speaker 1: entrepreneurial tendencies a lot of times are taken with someone
Speaker 1: into another organization. So you're like, a, you're an entrepreneur
Speaker 1: within this podcast, and yeah, you're you're one of the
Speaker 1: people that put it together. But you know, as you're
Speaker 1: going day to day, like you're applying entrepreneurial tendencies to
Speaker 1: your work or even in your your studies, you know,
Speaker 1: you could possess entrepreneurial tendencies such as you know, resourcefulness
Speaker 1: or future planning or you know, risk assessment, like all
Speaker 1: the things that make entrepreneurs great. If you apply it
Speaker 1: within another organization, I would deem it as entrepreneurial. I
Speaker 1: love the term. I'm gonna add it to my business card.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, yeah, so I'm gonna have trouble with
Speaker 1: this name right now, but I think I remember a
Speaker 1: person in particular. This all really applies to is Nim Disswart. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm speaking with her after this call. Actually really funny
Speaker 1: man serendipity. Yeah, I remember she was talking about basically
Speaker 1: bringing entrepreneurial tendencies into working with several different companies, but
Speaker 1: Bacardi in particular. Yeah, yep. She's the Global Millennials Manager
Speaker 1: at McCarty and she works directly under the CEO there,
Speaker 1: who's Michael Dolan, I believe, and her job is twofold. Internally,
Speaker 1: her job is to better retain and engage millennials and
Speaker 1: help the company do that across the board. And so
Speaker 1: she's been starting with a select group of rising stars
Speaker 1: within McCarty where every year they're selecting, you know, thirty
Speaker 1: or forty millennials from across the world who work at
Speaker 1: McCarty to be a part of this program. And then
Speaker 1: from there, you know, she wants to coach them and
Speaker 1: make them, you know, amazing entrepreneurs and then have them
Speaker 1: go back to their markets and provide the same training
Speaker 1: resources inspiration to their colleagues. So she is on a
Speaker 1: mission to help baccarty as an organization better retain and
Speaker 1: engage their young talent. But then externally she's also working
Speaker 1: with futurists and working with the leaders and psychologists and
Speaker 1: all that to figure out where the market is going.
Speaker 1: You know, from an external standpoint, where are their customers
Speaker 1: going to come from in the future, What are they
Speaker 1: going to want, What problems are they going to have
Speaker 1: that McCarty might be able to help solve, hopefully through
Speaker 1: responsible drinking. But that's her, that's her gig. It's it's
Speaker 1: pretty cool, And I purposely chose to include entrepreneurs as well.
Speaker 1: I didn't just want to have an entrepreneurial party with
Speaker 1: all these different founders. I wanted to also showcase people
Speaker 1: in the corporate world, people and athletics, people in worlds
Speaker 1: you would never even think existed, Right, Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that there's some you know, at least thirty stories that
Speaker 1: any person can really find it would resonate with them.
Speaker 1: That one resonated with me. In particular, I had mentioned
Speaker 1: strengths a second ago. She had said something to the
Speaker 1: effect of that, like every person kind of has their
Speaker 1: own secret sauce, and she said that she's got these
Speaker 1: secret weapons that she likes to apply, which were positivity, patience, persuasion,
Speaker 1: and authenticity, and as a positive psychology type that really
Speaker 1: gets me geeked out about it. Well, you know, so
Speaker 1: I actually do some coaching also, and strengths work is
Speaker 1: wonderful just because a lot of us are spending so
Speaker 1: much time trying to fix what's wrong with us, you know,
Speaker 1: like I were just better at this, if I were
Speaker 1: just better at that. But a strengths approach, we move
Speaker 1: from what's wrong to what's strong. Wow, yeah, right, it
Speaker 1: might belong to someone. Maybe I have to pay some
Speaker 1: royalties out for having set it out right. It's a
Speaker 1: wonderful thing. I mean, you can do. You can do
Speaker 1: so much good work here, and there have been some
Speaker 1: studies from like Tom Wrath and people who do positive
Speaker 1: organizational scholarship showing that actually coming from a place of strength,
Speaker 1: like working more on what you're already really good at,
Speaker 1: is oftentimes a better way to be more effective than
Speaker 1: always trying to fix what's wrong. And it's also it
Speaker 1: just feels better, you know, it's exciting to talk about
Speaker 1: what we're good at and what we value in ourselves
Speaker 1: and others. A huge thing that I really enjoyed about
Speaker 1: your book, And I'd be curious if you picked up
Speaker 1: on any strengths in particular that seemed to be super
Speaker 1: prevalent with all of these people. Are there maybe some
Speaker 1: strengths that kick more planet? Yeah, well, I would say
Speaker 1: the first is curiosity slash creativity. So all these people
Speaker 1: looked at whatever institutions they had to face, you know,
Speaker 1: whether it was a traditional model of doing business in
Speaker 1: a certain field or just like you know, traditional career
Speaker 1: paths or traditional ways of doing politics, or like any
Speaker 1: sort of institution traditional way of thinking, and they stepped
Speaker 1: out of that for a second, and they didn't like
Speaker 1: burn the I mean, some of them burn the ships
Speaker 1: behind them as they were trying out new experiments and stuff.
Speaker 1: But a lot of them sort of set up these
Speaker 1: like low cost or low time intensive ways to test
Speaker 1: their ideas and their new inventions or new ways of
Speaker 1: doing business. And so an example is you know WordPress,
Speaker 1: if we want to keep going back to the ones
Speaker 1: I originally you know mentioned at the beginning of our chat.
Speaker 1: You know, they had this way of thinking where they
Speaker 1: were going to make open sourced software instead of what
Speaker 1: everyone else was doing, which was closed software. And closed
Speaker 1: software is like Apple, you know, they are able to
Speaker 1: control the terms of conditions if you want to use
Speaker 1: their stuff. You have to sign away your life or whatever.
Speaker 1: The terms of conditions say that none of us read
Speaker 1: and you can't duplicate that software. You can't turn around
Speaker 1: and sell it, you can't rename it, you can't modify it,
Speaker 1: all that fun stuff. With open source, you can, by
Speaker 1: the rules of how open source works, copy something and
Speaker 1: call it your own. You can sell that new invention,
Speaker 1: you could modify it, all that fun stuff. And so
Speaker 1: at a time when all the content management softwares were
Speaker 1: predominantly closed systems, Matt decided to actually build upon a
Speaker 1: pre existing open sourced platform and make it better, call
Speaker 1: it WordPress, and then exponentiate that. And so that was
Speaker 1: just a different way of thinking. I mean, he put
Speaker 1: a lot of time into it, but on a grand
Speaker 1: scale of things, it is maybe only three to six
Speaker 1: months of plugging away behind a screen to test his idea.
Speaker 1: And some people. There's a snapchat influencer in the book.
Speaker 1: Her name is syreene Q. She was actually working at
Speaker 1: Horizon and building her following on Snapchat. So she didn't
Speaker 1: actually leave what was traditional until she knew that her
Speaker 1: you know, creative output was working. But all these people
Speaker 1: found ways to test a new idea and kind of
Speaker 1: put themselves in a place where they could have exponential rise.
Speaker 1: Because if you're in the traditional model, like there are
Speaker 1: probably some outlets or ways you can have an exponential
Speaker 1: rise to success or to impact, but it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a lot harder than if you reinvent and you create
Speaker 1: a brand new industry or a brand new way of
Speaker 1: doing things. And so all these people sort of had
Speaker 1: the creativity to step out into the world and try
Speaker 1: something new, and I would I would suggest this to anyone,
Speaker 1: but do it in a way that's a low cost
Speaker 1: and low time sort of thing, so that you can
Speaker 1: see if it's gonna work or not, and if it's
Speaker 1: not going to work, then be able to replicate that
Speaker 1: process until you find something that is working. So creativity
Speaker 1: slash curiosity, it's like a big one, you know in
Speaker 1: the middle. I would say, what's the one that's closest
Speaker 1: to collaboration? Is that like a social intelligence sort of thing? Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably social intelligence, so's I mean, you know, one could
Speaker 1: argue that they are not infinite or probably some kind
Speaker 1: of finite them out. But there are many human virtues,
Speaker 1: the ones that are studied by like the values in
Speaker 1: action organization. There's twenty four of them, but I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: social intelligence sounds like it would ring most closely to that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I want to get towards collaboration. That's kind of
Speaker 1: where I'm trending. But a lot of you know, most
Speaker 1: people in the book, and kind of the second step
Speaker 1: I would say to having exponential success and impact, the
Speaker 1: first of which being a step outside the ordinary system
Speaker 1: and set yourself up for success. The second is to
Speaker 1: out collaborate the competition. And so a lot of the
Speaker 1: examples that you see in three Billion under thirty and
Speaker 1: in this research found ways to collaborate in a world
Speaker 1: where you know, our parents, our grandparents were all about
Speaker 1: these capitalistic ideals and really kind of getting your own
Speaker 1: rather than collaborating, which I think today and a lot
Speaker 1: of our peers would agree that you can collaborate and
Speaker 1: get ahead faster and rather than just get your own.
Speaker 1: And so a lot of these people agree and they've
Speaker 1: really applied it, whether it's you know, social media influencers
Speaker 1: doing collabs with other social media influencers to grow their
Speaker 1: following quickly, or setting up media platforms that have contributor
Speaker 1: networks like we have. The co founder of Elite daily
Speaker 1: feature of the book, and they were one of the
Speaker 1: first to have a contributor network, or you know, Mogul
Speaker 1: does that now, which is another media platform geared towards women.
Speaker 1: You know, there's all these different examples of setting up
Speaker 1: collaborative environments and actually making that a strength of yours.
Speaker 1: And you know, I used it to make this book.
Speaker 1: We had probably we had over one hundred people like
Speaker 1: touch this book, whether it was someone like who spent
Speaker 1: a lot of money and a lot of time to
Speaker 1: make it, or a team member of mine who spent
Speaker 1: maybe less amount of time, but it's still a very
Speaker 1: big amount of time. You have the contributors who gave
Speaker 1: us three to five pages of their own writing and
Speaker 1: or at the very least topped on a thirty minute
Speaker 1: interview for us to transcribe their words into their own writing.
Speaker 1: And then you have people like Scott actually, who I
Speaker 1: emailed and asked for introductions to the most admirable twenty
Speaker 1: somethings out there. So I had people like Scott Seth Godin,
Speaker 1: Tony Shah, James Altacher, all you know, in three second
Speaker 1: responses point me into the direction of you know, admirable
Speaker 1: young people I should be identifying, and so at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, you had like one hundred plus
Speaker 1: people touch the project, and that makes for a much
Speaker 1: more powerful and interesting book, I would think than an
Speaker 1: author who just sat there by themselves with a computer
Speaker 1: and didn't bring anyone else into that creative process. So
Speaker 1: we're you know, I've been eating my own dog food
Speaker 1: throughout the whole research process. I can dig that even
Speaker 1: going back to the first step. You know, there's a
Speaker 1: traditional publishing world that I stepped out of. The first
Speaker 1: book we did was traditionally published with a big publisher
Speaker 1: in New York, and then we decided to set up
Speaker 1: a new company for the launch of this book and
Speaker 1: did that for a gazillion reasons. It would take me
Speaker 1: over an hour to just like walk you through the
Speaker 1: entire thought process. But I made that decision because if
Speaker 1: it doesn't work for some reason, I can always go
Speaker 1: back to the traditional publishing world with future books, or
Speaker 1: you know, go to traditional media outlets and try and
Speaker 1: share message that way. But if it does work, I'm
Speaker 1: going to financial financially incentivize myself over time to share
Speaker 1: this research further, which is a win for me financially,
Speaker 1: it's a win for our organization and build an audience.
Speaker 1: It's a win for our contributors and getting their message
Speaker 1: out to the world further and getting more readers involved
Speaker 1: in this idea. You know, it's just a win and
Speaker 1: win for everyone. So that was kind of our you know,
Speaker 1: step away from a traditional system to even set us
Speaker 1: up for exponential success. And then we've collab we've out
Speaker 1: collaborated our competition by researching in the way we have.
Speaker 1: But I would say those are the first two steps
Speaker 1: if you want to have this sort of exponential impact
Speaker 1: in your own world. I think that's one of the
Speaker 1: really admirable things about the human species is that we're
Speaker 1: tribal creatures and we can collaborate to achieve something that's
Speaker 1: that's greater than any of us could do alone. And
Speaker 1: there's a lot in the book about how to network
Speaker 1: in a way that's honest and authentic and draws kind
Speaker 1: of like substances together and combines energies and creates forward
Speaker 1: momentum into creating actual movements. It really starts to get
Speaker 1: work done across the globe. We're talking about individuals affecting
Speaker 1: millions of people across just about every country on the planet,
Speaker 1: especially given technology and globalization. It's a wonderful thing to behold. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and for episode number two and seventy three, you know,
Speaker 1: we're going to be talking about how all the humans
Speaker 1: work together to fight off aliens and that that uber collaboration. Amen,
Speaker 1: Sir Hashtago. Nice. So you know, I have a list
Speaker 1: of topics here and we could basically go on forever,
Speaker 1: because it's a joy to talk to you, and there's
Speaker 1: so much to chat about, you know, in terms of
Speaker 1: research and just the wonderful stories in the book. But
Speaker 1: we're millennials, and we're talking about a lot of wonderful
Speaker 1: millennials here. But sometimes millennials get a bad rap. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of talk nowadays about how we are lazy
Speaker 1: and titled that we like social skills. I could go on,
Speaker 1: I guess I would ask, what are some strengths that
Speaker 1: you think we can build on? Yeah, there are some
Speaker 1: things that we could use some work in, you know.
Speaker 1: So I that's that's sort of why I was saying,
Speaker 1: I hate using the word millennial, and I only want
Speaker 1: to stereotype by age for that conversation. But when people
Speaker 1: are you know, bashing millennials, I don't think they're necessarily
Speaker 1: bashing every single human age eighteen to thirty four. I
Speaker 1: think they're bashing you know, people in that age range,
Speaker 1: but within a certain industry or within a certain set
Speaker 1: of life experiences. You know, maybe middle class, the affluent
Speaker 1: young people who have college paid for maybe you know,
Speaker 1: or or have access to universities in the first place,
Speaker 1: and come from well to do families who aren't performing
Speaker 1: as their parents or grandparents have yet. You know, maybe
Speaker 1: that's like a better you know, stereotype or segmentation of
Speaker 1: our age. So that's I just stopped answering those sort
Speaker 1: of questions when it comes to like, oh, millennials are lateizy, entitled, narcissistic.
Speaker 1: You know. That's why I push this research towards more
Speaker 1: age agnostic and industry agnostic takeaways. But you know, as
Speaker 1: far as trends that they've seen among at least educated
Speaker 1: or you know, at least like K through twelve educated
Speaker 1: young people in the leading countries of the world, or
Speaker 1: you know, in first world countries, maybe even second world
Speaker 1: is that and the third world is like, we just
Speaker 1: have a very entrepreneurial cack about us. And part of
Speaker 1: that is because the world is increasingly unpredictable, and in
Speaker 1: order to survive and to move further, we're going to
Speaker 1: have to have resourcefulness and sort of a assess risk
Speaker 1: and all that. But that could be applied, you know,
Speaker 1: as as an entrepreneur in organizations and can really change
Speaker 1: how the corporate world works. That could also be applied
Speaker 1: to how our political system works. That could be applied
Speaker 1: to our education system and really reshaping that. I think
Speaker 1: our generation has that entrepreneurial kick that's really going to
Speaker 1: both have to and be forced to solve big, pressing
Speaker 1: problems in society, and so I think that's something we
Speaker 1: could build on. We also have the ability to leverage
Speaker 1: technology on like ever before, and not only like the
Speaker 1: ability to do that, which you know, in fairness to
Speaker 1: previous generations, we just simply haven't had the tools that
Speaker 1: we have now. And you know, the generation after us
Speaker 1: will have tools like we never imagine. So there's always
Speaker 1: increasing leverage and possibly increasing in exponential fashion. Historically, I
Speaker 1: don't think it'll slow down anytime soon. But we also
Speaker 1: have the awareness of how to use those tools that
Speaker 1: most generations don't. And so yeah, you can find a
Speaker 1: fifty five year old senior vice president who knows how
Speaker 1: to use social media to share messages just like an
Speaker 1: eighteen year old. But on average, you'd probably the younger
Speaker 1: generations know how to leverage the technology better. And so
Speaker 1: these are the sort of the things we bring to
Speaker 1: the table when we're talking about how to solve problems,
Speaker 1: whether it's in a job or at home or anywhere.
Speaker 1: I don't think we should bash older generations either. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, if you want to talk with the strengths
Speaker 1: they bring to the table. They bring an amazing adaptability
Speaker 1: to the table, like they've had to reinvent themselves over
Speaker 1: and over and over and over and over again and
Speaker 1: learn how to use all these new technological tools that
Speaker 1: they didn't have ten years ago, twenty years ago, you know,
Speaker 1: thirty years ago when they were really starting to build
Speaker 1: their personality and skill set and all that. So we
Speaker 1: got to tip our hat to them to be able
Speaker 1: to adapt the way they have. And also, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of older generations are really good at processes
Speaker 1: and scaling, scaling different ideas because think about all the
Speaker 1: different institutions we have, these gigantic companies, these amazing schools, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, nonprofits, our government or governments in general, Like,
Speaker 1: all these different gigantic systems were really built without the
Speaker 1: technology we have today, and so to do it in
Speaker 1: a way that was sustainable and to do it in
Speaker 1: a way that made sense really took some some systems.
Speaker 1: And so the fact that these older generations were the
Speaker 1: ones who engineered those systems, I think speaks a lot
Speaker 1: to their ability to scale the good ideas or to
Speaker 1: to scale ideas, you know, whether or not you think
Speaker 1: they're good or bad. And so now you start bringing
Speaker 1: everyone to the table, you're like, Okay, you guys got
Speaker 1: these this entrepreneurial tendency to kind of look at the
Speaker 1: world and which we live and find new solutions to
Speaker 1: problems that maybe the older generations haven't. You have, you know,
Speaker 1: the ability to implement technologies that we haven't thought of
Speaker 1: leveraging before or creating those technologies. And then you have
Speaker 1: the people that might be able to scale those new
Speaker 1: solutions and also help us adapt the old way of
Speaker 1: doing things to the new way of doing things, or
Speaker 1: push back against maybe two idealistic thinking that sounds good
Speaker 1: at first, but it may not work in our current
Speaker 1: real world. And so I just think that's a much
Speaker 1: better way of approaching problems than like, you know, intergenerational
Speaker 1: bashing as a whole, like that gets nothing done. Hey,
Speaker 1: you are a collaborator, aren't you, Jared. It's a great strength.
Speaker 1: That's that's my big strength. That's like, that's my only strength.
Speaker 1: I think you get tons you're chalk full of a
Speaker 1: friends to of course, but no, that's that's definitely my
Speaker 1: superpowers is bringing together different people and ideas together to
Speaker 1: accomplish these sort of bigger amplifications for society, these different systems, etc.
Speaker 1: That's sort of my go to. We're grateful for it.
Speaker 1: To use another strength. Bam. Well, so I had at
Speaker 1: least one more topic I wanted to gloss over, and
Speaker 1: it's one that is near and dear to my heart.
Speaker 1: I am especially invested in trying to help college students
Speaker 1: younger people deal with a existential crisis that's become prevalent
Speaker 1: in our modern world. Of all of the stories that
Speaker 1: I read in your book, it didn't really seem like
Speaker 1: many of them like, oh, I just sort of accidentally
Speaker 1: did this incredible thing. You know, I don't know I
Speaker 1: was that into it. It just sort of happened. Blah.
Speaker 1: They're very passionate about what they're doing. They have an overarching,
Speaker 1: long term goal that's important to their identity, with some
Speaker 1: contribution they want to make to the world. They have
Speaker 1: a purpose, they have meaning, And I've seen countless studies
Speaker 1: right now, actually wrote about it for my thesis. The
Speaker 1: researchers like Nathan Muscaro and David Rosen, William Damon, They've
Speaker 1: positive that there's a great deal of suffering that comes
Speaker 1: from the lack of direction and aimlessness that seems to
Speaker 1: be prevalent in college students nowadays. And you're a curious type,
Speaker 1: and I think you're fascinated by people, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: you've spoken to tons of college students in that sort
Speaker 1: of place, and I know I have myself where they're
Speaker 1: just like, I want to know what I should do
Speaker 1: with my life, and I have no idea. I don't
Speaker 1: know where to start, and it causes a lot of stress.
Speaker 1: You can really see it. So I'm wondering if there
Speaker 1: was some advice that you'd gleaned from hearing from all
Speaker 1: of these incredible people and how they found their purpose
Speaker 1: or their personal meaning. Yeah, if you had any to
Speaker 1: hand over that we could do a lot of good
Speaker 1: Bye talking about that. Sure, so you guys are know
Speaker 1: more of the hardcore research on it and maybe the
Speaker 1: systemic ways to change this. But from an individual basis,
Speaker 1: I normally suggest using a practice or an idea called
Speaker 1: the zone of genius. I think we were talking about
Speaker 1: this when we originally met a few years ago, and
Speaker 1: you guys, you know, at pen we're finding this pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: But I would think of and if you have paper
Speaker 1: and pen, you know, pull it out and do this
Speaker 1: with us. But think of making three circles in a
Speaker 1: ven diagram. In one of them you have your passions.
Speaker 1: And so I would just start listing out, you know,
Speaker 1: things you're really excited about or interested in. I'll get
Speaker 1: to like what to do if you don't know about
Speaker 1: what you're passionate about in a second. But in the
Speaker 1: second bubble I would put your skills. You know, so
Speaker 1: what you think you're you're good at, or what you're
Speaker 1: objectively good at. And then in the third I would
Speaker 1: put like what the market values or what problems are
Speaker 1: out there that you need that you see needs solving
Speaker 1: things like that. You know it's from a more capitalistic
Speaker 1: stamp would be like, you know, market opportunities at the center.
Speaker 1: That is your zone of genius, or an articulation of
Speaker 1: a specific strength or skill that you can apply to
Speaker 1: a lot of different things and possibly find a purpose
Speaker 1: for yourself. So I actually just articulated mine a second
Speaker 1: ago when I said that I bring people and ideas
Speaker 1: to you know, together to accomplish bigger things for society.
Speaker 1: Like that is that is literally the zone of genius
Speaker 1: that I pulled out of this exercise back when I
Speaker 1: did it at seventeen with a with a mentor of
Speaker 1: mine who taught me this. And so it's really powerful
Speaker 1: because once you know that you can apply it to
Speaker 1: working with others, you can apply it to your own
Speaker 1: skill sets and your own learning journey. You kind of
Speaker 1: have a strength of mind and how you know, then
Speaker 1: you can find places on where to apply that strength
Speaker 1: and find out a purpose for doing so. So I
Speaker 1: think it's a really powerful exercise. And if you don't
Speaker 1: know what you're passionate about, then I suggest going back
Speaker 1: to that first step I was mentioning maybe twenty minutes
Speaker 1: ago of experimentation and just try a bunch of things out.
Speaker 1: So if you've ever like you know, for me, I'm
Speaker 1: a huge basketball fan, like I would like maybe figure
Speaker 1: out different experiments in the basketball world to try out,
Speaker 1: like either shadowing a coach around for a day, or
Speaker 1: going to play around with the stats for NBA games
Speaker 1: and figuring out like a career path that lines up
Speaker 1: with that, or otherwise just finding like short experiments that
Speaker 1: you can run without a ton of investment of time
Speaker 1: or capital to see if you're actually interested in those
Speaker 1: things for skills. I would There's a few books out
Speaker 1: there and resources. One is The Strings Finders two point oh.
Speaker 1: I would take that. I would take that's great. I
Speaker 1: would take a call the A Index. Kathy Colby's made that.
Speaker 1: And then there's a book called unique Ability that I
Speaker 1: would read. But in unique Ability, it pretty much, you know,
Speaker 1: comes down to like asking some peers of yours, some friends, mentors,
Speaker 1: et cetera, to like pair it back what they think
Speaker 1: you're really good at, because maybe you're blind to what
Speaker 1: you're good at, or you like you keep your room clean,
Speaker 1: but you don't necessarily consider that organizational ability as a skill.
Speaker 1: But if you ask others and you know, twenty people
Speaker 1: get back to you, intend say the same thing. That's
Speaker 1: something to look into, you know further and kind of
Speaker 1: dive deeper into but between Colby as Strengths Finders and
Speaker 1: unique Ability as a book which states that little practice
Speaker 1: of asking others, like I think you'll find more skills
Speaker 1: if you don't know what you're really good at already.
Speaker 1: And then as far as market values, just look all
Speaker 1: around you and find problems in your munity, find problems
Speaker 1: in society or in our economy. If you're in a
Speaker 1: particular industry, go find some holes there. You can also
Speaker 1: kind of look at objectively, you know what opportunities present
Speaker 1: the most upside, whether it's like VR in that industry,
Speaker 1: or artificial intelligence, or you know, maybe there's in a
Speaker 1: nonprofit world certain causes that should be getting more you know,
Speaker 1: finances allocated to them, or should be getting more attention.
Speaker 1: But aren't you know that's kind of where all your
Speaker 1: market opportunities would got. That's probably the easiest to look
Speaker 1: at and then look at look in the middle, find
Speaker 1: some sort of one or two sentence z energy needs
Speaker 1: you can take out of it and start focusing on that,
Speaker 1: and it could change. You can always go back and
Speaker 1: do this exercise again, and you should, you know, over time.
Speaker 1: But I found that to be a really powerful way
Speaker 1: to figure out what it is I should really be
Speaker 1: spending my time on and what sort of purpose I
Speaker 1: should have moving forward. That's lovely. I remember you'd written
Speaker 1: a bit about that in your conclusion, and hey, man,
Speaker 1: the research bacsia diving really deep into this topic, I
Speaker 1: came across something very similar. I mean, even if people
Speaker 1: wanted to pick up a book called Are You Fully Charged?
Speaker 1: By Tom Rath, he has a picture of event diagram
Speaker 1: that's basically what are you interested in? What are your strengths,
Speaker 1: and what is it that the world needs? Because essentially
Speaker 1: that puts together something that would excite you because you know,
Speaker 1: even if you're good at something in the world needs it.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like you should suffer personally just drudging
Speaker 1: through life your strengths because you want to play towards
Speaker 1: an area where you could probably do the most good
Speaker 1: personally with your own your unique setup and then contributing
Speaker 1: to the world is listed over and over again in
Speaker 1: the research is one of the most highly you know,
Speaker 1: greatest way to find a sense of meaning in life.
Speaker 1: And another thing I think that you were saying that
Speaker 1: is ridiculously important and is going to help a lot
Speaker 1: of people in that state definitely helped me is just
Speaker 1: to act, to start doing. I think that there's a
Speaker 1: tendency when we're talking about something so high flutent as
Speaker 1: like meaning in life or purpose, you want to just
Speaker 1: sort of sit in an armchair and like think your
Speaker 1: way onto the truth, work top to bottom, and like
Speaker 1: have the answer so that then you can go out
Speaker 1: and achieve that. But the research shows that that's really
Speaker 1: not how people find their purpose in life or engage
Speaker 1: in a kind of job crafting. Instead, it's more bottom up,
Speaker 1: where you go out and you try a wide range
Speaker 1: of different things with an open exploratory mindset, and you
Speaker 1: start piecing together like, oh, well, you know, I like
Speaker 1: to write that's interesting to me, and yeah, like the
Speaker 1: three sixty interviewing, maybe some people say like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I think you're a good writer. So now you're starting
Speaker 1: to get onto what you like and what you're good at,
Speaker 1: and maybe you have an interest in positive psychology also,
Speaker 1: And it turns out great need for positive psychology in
Speaker 1: the world, And at that point you've found something to
Speaker 1: at least go experiment with. As you were saying, you know,
Speaker 1: get out and start writing spartacles, try and get better
Speaker 1: at it, see if it does some good, and see
Speaker 1: how it feels overall, and you might just find that
Speaker 1: elusive thing we're all looking for, which is a calling
Speaker 1: in life and the sense of meaning and purpose. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well said, Oh thanks, Hey, all right, very cool, Jared,
Speaker 1: trying to be mindful of your time. If there's any
Speaker 1: last words that you'd like to apart, or you know
Speaker 1: something that you'd wanted to promote, please feel free holler. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I think you're gonna put up the book at
Speaker 1: the psychology dot com or the Psychology podcast dot com
Speaker 1: slash Jared, is that where you're putting at? That's exactly right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're going to try and set it up there the
Speaker 1: check it out. It just came out. I'm really pumped
Speaker 1: about it. We spend a lot of time, energy, the
Speaker 1: dolphness making it for you. So I would say go
Speaker 1: check that out. Please the copy if you're so inclined,
Speaker 1: and you know, if you found anything interesting, valuable, or
Speaker 1: there's any questions remaining, feel free to email me Jared
Speaker 1: at three billion under thirty dot com. I actually didn't
Speaker 1: give you the third step to like achieving exponential impact,
Speaker 1: so I just want to touch them that super quickly.
Speaker 1: But the first is like getting out of the traditional system,
Speaker 1: and the second was out collaborating your competition. The third
Speaker 1: is to actually build your own distribution network for your ideas.
Speaker 1: So build up your social media following, build up an
Speaker 1: email list, build up a blog that you can share
Speaker 1: ideals with, or just build up some sort of influence
Speaker 1: in your community or wherever you are your industry, because
Speaker 1: then you don't have to rely on other people to
Speaker 1: actually share your strengths and to share your impact with
Speaker 1: the world. It's becoming both increasingly easier to do and
Speaker 1: increasingly more meaning to do, because I would say distribution
Speaker 1: is becoming democratized. You know, it used to be where
Speaker 1: we had to go to a major pillar like a
Speaker 1: news channel to get information, but then like the Internet
Speaker 1: happened and now everyone can have a certain level of
Speaker 1: influence at a micro level or even at a macro
Speaker 1: level if you piece together enough of them, so that
Speaker 1: actually gives you more leverage to both run more experiments
Speaker 1: and collaborate with more people, because if you know, the
Speaker 1: biggest social media stars are doing collabs, the other big
Speaker 1: social media stars are you know. Podcast guest wants to
Speaker 1: interview another or podcast host wants to interview another podcast
Speaker 1: host and share ideas with their audiences. So there's a
Speaker 1: lot of power that comes with building your own distribution,
Speaker 1: and it'd be a shame for all your hard work
Speaker 1: to not get out to the world. So there's your one, two,
Speaker 1: three just to complete it. But other than that, you know,
Speaker 1: check out the book. Email me with any questions, comments, feedback.
Speaker 1: I would love to hear from you and know that
Speaker 1: any of this was well received or not well received.
Speaker 1: And that's just share it at three billion under three
Speaker 1: dot com. Book again for Taylor is going to put
Speaker 1: it up at the Psychology dot The Psychology podcast dot
Speaker 1: com slash Jared right on. For my part as the
Speaker 1: executive producer, I should say that we are going to
Speaker 1: post a link. We're trying to get some quick surveys
Speaker 1: about our demographics to hone our craft and improve the
Speaker 1: show for everybody. We'll have that on the podcast notes.
Speaker 1: It takes ten seconds and it asks your email address,
Speaker 1: but you don't even need to put that in there.
Speaker 1: It would be greatly appreciated and thank you in advance, Jared.
Speaker 1: It has been magical talking to you man, always a pleasure.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I mean, it's just true. I get positively
Speaker 1: energized chat with you. That's a good thing. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: pix so cool. Well, I mean you know, I'll probably
Speaker 1: talk to you tomorrow and have a good day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you for this. I really appreciate it. Always do well, Jared.
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Psychology Podcast with Doctor Scott
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