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Speaker 1: What is going on everybody? John middle cop three Now podcast,

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Speaker 1: Happy Weekend. You listen. This could be Friday, could be Saturday,

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Speaker 1: Big show coming up. We got a lot going on,

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Speaker 1: actually has some thoughts. Have an interesting take here on

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Speaker 1: the Browns while why I think that some of the

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Speaker 1: things that are about to happen to them are gonna

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Speaker 1: be pretty unfair for their head coach. I on my

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Speaker 1: other podcast, I talked to George Kittle and he brought

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Speaker 1: it really got me thinking, I'll bring back some sound

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Speaker 1: on that. Some rookie quarterbacks. I mean, I've seen some

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks are crushing. I've seen Ryan Linley, the dude with

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Speaker 1: the Bengals is the worst quarterback ever. Some thoughts just

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Speaker 1: on rookie quarterbacks in these mini camps. And then, like always,

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Speaker 1: I'll answer a bunch today, but I want to start

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Speaker 1: with this. I noticed the NFL Network Odell Beckham there

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Speaker 1: were some mandatory mini camps. And I think because whether

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Speaker 1: it determines you know, whether you start training camp earlier

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Speaker 1: when you can do these O t A. So there

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Speaker 1: were a bunch of mandatory mini camps. I don't know

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Speaker 1: exactly all the rules. Why summer this week. I know

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Speaker 1: like the Niners and Raiders are next week. I don't

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Speaker 1: exactly know, but I know there were something this week.

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Speaker 1: And one of them was at Cleveland Browns and Odell

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Speaker 1: Beckham showed up and it was a big deal and

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Speaker 1: NFL Network was there. They took the Pittsburgh Steelers reporter

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Speaker 1: they put her there. It really struck me. It's like

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Speaker 1: this team is being treated again. I have one in

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Speaker 1: my backyard, the Golden State Warriors. They're just treated differently.

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Speaker 1: They are covered differently, and the Golden State Wars one,

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Speaker 1: multiple championships and have elite Hall of famers on their team,

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Speaker 1: so they've justified it. Like I'm watching the Browns. They're

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Speaker 1: getting coverage like they're the Patriots. It's a little nuts

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Speaker 1: And I think when you look at the head coach.

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Speaker 1: We can talk about Baker and O'Dell and I've talked

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Speaker 1: a bunch about them, but about Freddie Kitchens. Imagine this,

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Speaker 1: you got a new job, think about the biggest job

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Speaker 1: you've ever got, whether it's you know, usually for most

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Speaker 1: You know, the biggest job you ever get is not

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Speaker 1: necessarily the first job you ever get, but even the

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Speaker 1: first job you ever get, they don't ask you to

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Speaker 1: first month, hell maybe in the first year. Even a

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Speaker 1: because that's the way things should be. I can't just

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Speaker 1: I know you can swim and expect that you're gonna

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Speaker 1: make it back to shore. Most jobs in any field,

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Speaker 1: whether it's sports or whether it's business, whatever it is,

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Speaker 1: whether it's being a teacher, usually get better with some experience.

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Speaker 1: You're just more equipped because I I know this. The

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Speaker 1: more bad things that have happened to me in my life,

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Speaker 1: every single time I've been better off for it. I've

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Speaker 1: to this, I ain't holding back. So if you try

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Speaker 1: weren't always okay with the way I covered him fine,

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Speaker 1: But the best thing that ever happened to me was

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Speaker 1: getting away from that. Now it was forced, my hand

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Speaker 1: even though the quote unquote failure was somewhat out of

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Speaker 1: Freddie Kitchens has called plays for like eight weeks. He

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Speaker 1: Haley got fired last year, and now he's asked to

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Speaker 1: back Bill Walsh when he took over the forty niners.

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Speaker 1: Like your expectations going into a job on top of

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Speaker 1: When Sean Payton took over the New Orleans Saints, we

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Speaker 1: all know they were the eights. When Pete Carroll took

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Speaker 1: don't mean like the Patriot dynasty, but I mean a

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Speaker 1: all acknowledge Jack del Riel is not a great coach,

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Speaker 1: but he's not Jim tom Sewela or anything. Came to

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Speaker 1: So the second year when he makes the playoffs, it's

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Speaker 1: like he hit the lottery. If Freddie Kitchens does not

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Speaker 1: the expectations are pretty low. I'm actually starting to feel

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Speaker 1: had been making the playoffs though, and they had Steph Curry,

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Speaker 1: None of these guys any experienced. Odell Jarvis Landry, each

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Speaker 1: of them played in one playoff game, got smoked. Myles

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Speaker 1: I the expectations are out of whack, just the way

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Speaker 1: because Odell Beckham is probably the most famous non quarterback

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Speaker 1: the league. Baker Mayfield superpolarizing the team, the hype. I

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Speaker 1: I get it, but I just don't see how this

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Speaker 1: they start a little slow. Now you could be like, well,

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Speaker 1: I think we just assume that the Browns are super

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Speaker 1: but I can't just be like, the Browns are gonna

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Speaker 1: They still I'm not the biggest Roethlisberger guy anymore, and

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Speaker 1: who I don't know. I mean, no one knows anything

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Speaker 1: pretty good players on that roster. Last time I checked.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever heard of this guy

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Speaker 1: They had a top fifteen pick this year. Everyone said

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Speaker 1: it was a can't miss offensive lineman. Joe Mixon, that

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Speaker 1: Pretty good running back I got, can I got can

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Speaker 1: play a little bit. Cincinnati always has good defensive like

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Speaker 1: the team's good, there's not just are we sure that

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Speaker 1: the Browns are just going four and two in their division?

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Speaker 1: I'm they could easily go three and three and then

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Speaker 1: check their schedule. It's not easy, you know. They just

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Speaker 1: Like some of these games are just kind of difficult.

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Speaker 1: And and I think the expectation obviously the players, you know,

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Speaker 1: him on this podcast. But if Joe Thomas had been

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Speaker 1: a cowboy or an eagle his whole career, the way

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Speaker 1: the way we would speak about Joe Thomas, we talked

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Speaker 1: about him like he's Anthony Munos, but he never played

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Speaker 1: the playoffs, never played in a meaningful game. So and

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Speaker 1: he played in Cleveland. But if you put that guy

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Speaker 1: on the New York Jets, I mean to think of

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Speaker 1: how we would consider him and holding the level. Even

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Speaker 1: though I would imagine if I got a pass rusher

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Speaker 1: in two thousand ten to be like, who's the toughest

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Speaker 1: left tackle to go against? They all probably had Joe Thomas.

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Speaker 1: But just the way the cookie crumbles, these markets for

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Speaker 1: non quarterbacks impact your marketability in just the way us

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Speaker 1: just casually talk about players. It matters. Okay, let's dive

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Speaker 1: into something really quick that I've seen. It's somewhat bothering me.

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Speaker 1: And I've seen both ends of the spectrum, and I

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Speaker 1: don't think they could be any more irrelevant. One. There

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Speaker 1: are always overreactions in mini camps with rookies. To me,

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Speaker 1: I put zero stock into it, literally zero stock. I

445
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Speaker 1: can't judge you now. I mean if you can't move

446
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Speaker 1: or something, for sure. But I'm just saying any first

447
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Speaker 1: round pick until the paths come on, I reserve some

448
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Speaker 1: judgment when it comes to quarterbacks. Like quarterback, by far,

449
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Speaker 1: of all the positions on the field, is going to encompass, right,

450
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Speaker 1: the biggest combination of mental and physical skills by far,

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Speaker 1: asking the most. Like if I draft the defensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: I saw some clips on Twitter the other day from

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Ferrell. Just Bro, you got the uh C gap

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Speaker 1: or the D gap and you're on passing downs, go

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Speaker 1: get the quarterback. It's relatively easy if you're a corner

456
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Speaker 1: and it's man coverage, Like Bro, you're just checking the

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Speaker 1: wide receiver. As a quarterback coming from college where there's

458
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Speaker 1: never been a greater disconnect really in college in the pros,

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Speaker 1: even though the pros are implementing a lot of stuff

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Speaker 1: that you're doing in college, still pretty you know, a huge,

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Speaker 1: huge stretch of what you're being asked to do, audibles,

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Speaker 1: playbook density, timing with new teammates. It's basically really hard.

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Speaker 1: Most quarterbacks, I would imagine in the NFL history, even

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Speaker 1: sweet rookies have not looked outstanding in many camp Now

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Speaker 1: they might make some outstanding throws, but if you ask

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Speaker 1: coats like, yeah, he was struggling with this, struggling with that,

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Speaker 1: it was just a lot to handle. It should be

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Speaker 1: a lot to handle, right. It's like someone's first day

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Speaker 1: on Wall Street, where someone's first day on a job

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Speaker 1: in a big time company. It's just a lot going on.

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Speaker 1: And I've seen and read that Will Greer's crushing it

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Speaker 1: for the Panthers. I've seen and read that Ryan Linley

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Speaker 1: is terrible for the Bengals. Uh, Daniel Jones, Ben hit

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Speaker 1: or Miss. I don't none of that means anything, and

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Speaker 1: it should not mean anything to you. I really don't

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Speaker 1: think you can start start judging a guy until some

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Speaker 1: preseason games where you see a guy in live reps

478
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Speaker 1: is a guy can't struggle a little bit in training

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Speaker 1: camp because a lot's being thrown at you. They're wanting

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Speaker 1: you to fail, so then making correct it. Uh, it's

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Speaker 1: okay to fail in these situations. I saw a headline

482
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Speaker 1: of Jamie's throwing picks in mini camp. Who cares trying

483
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Speaker 1: to learn this new offense under arians? Now, in fairness,

484
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Speaker 1: there might be more to that. Just because it's a

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Speaker 1: guy that's throwing a lot of picks, I get it,

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Speaker 1: But I'm not judging Jamis Winston off mini camps, let

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Speaker 1: alone rookies. It's okay to screw up. It's literally the

488
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Speaker 1: point of these mini camps to figure out what you're

489
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Speaker 1: good at, what you're bad at, and what you're comfortable

490
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Speaker 1: with the playbook one, you're just learning the playbook. So

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Speaker 1: anytime you read anything about quarterbacks, now, if you read

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Speaker 1: a corner can't run, a wide receiver has drops, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think you can put a little stock into some

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Speaker 1: of that offensive and defensive lineman. You really can't, because

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Speaker 1: you can't play those positions without the pads. But when

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Speaker 1: a cord comes to quarterbacks, either greatness or blow averageness,

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Speaker 1: I think you gotta take it all with a grain

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Speaker 1: of salt, and just know that these guys are being

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Speaker 1: overwhelmed with information. And I think that sometimes to a

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Speaker 1: guy that's being overwhelmed that information can just overcome it

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Speaker 1: by making a great throw. Well, you go, the guy

502
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Speaker 1: made a great throw. But the corners not allowed to

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Speaker 1: you know, not allowed to bump at the line of

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Speaker 1: scrimmage the defensive lineman. I've been at these practices that

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Speaker 1: they stop after like to Mississippi, so there isn't even

506
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Speaker 1: a real pass rush. Some of the coolest plays happened

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Speaker 1: like seven seconds after the snap of the ball that

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Speaker 1: in an NFL game, the quarterback would be dead or

509
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Speaker 1: had to throw the ball away. So I'm just telling

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Speaker 1: you and I do it too, like, oh my god,

511
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Speaker 1: you see Ryan Linley sucks. Take it. You know, factor

512
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Speaker 1: in who the messenger is. It's usually a beat reporter.

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Speaker 1: And let's call it what it is. Beat reporters can

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Speaker 1: be wrong. Now if you read a quote from like,

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Speaker 1: you know, a league executives of the Giants says that

516
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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones looks terrible, or the Bengals coaches internally think

517
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Speaker 1: that Ryan Linley sucks. Yeah, and then there's something to that.

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Speaker 1: But you don't see any of that right now, because

519
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Speaker 1: it's not even worth it for them to leak that,

520
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Speaker 1: because there's so much information to be gained once training

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Speaker 1: camp starts. Now, once training camp starts, different conversation. Uh,

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Speaker 1: what year would that have been? Two thousand and fourteen.

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Speaker 1: I saw it with Tyler Wilson for the Oakland Raiders.

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Speaker 1: Worst quarterback I've ever seen live was cut at training

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Speaker 1: camp after you know, going into the season he was

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Speaker 1: a fourth rounder. It was clear after about three practices

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Speaker 1: like this is a disaster. You can make judgments off

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Speaker 1: training camp practice. You cannot make judgments and I'm not

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Speaker 1: even saying the judgments off the practices, right but you

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Speaker 1: can get a feel like this might look ugly when

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Speaker 1: the game comes. And then the game. The preseason games

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Speaker 1: really just solidify good or or bad. Or if you

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Speaker 1: had a bad thought and a guy's good, you're like, Okay,

534
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Speaker 1: we need to be a little open minded, or vice versa.

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Speaker 1: A guy that's really good in practice sucks in the games.

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Speaker 1: But I think training camp is truly the time when

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Speaker 1: I start can making judgments on guys I see live

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Speaker 1: or something on TV or whatever. We go, oh god,

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Speaker 1: that looks sweet or guy that looks off but during

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Speaker 1: O T A S. I'm telling you, if a guy

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Speaker 1: is just walking straight and being able to chew gum

542
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Speaker 1: and has his clothes on, you just you're okay. You know, so,

543
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: don't especially the negativity. Don't overreact to some of these headlines,

544
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: salacious headlines. And again I like a good salacious headline

545
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: as much as the next guy. But that you read

546
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: about some of these players until about mid August, then

547
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Speaker 1: then you can start to freak Go Middlecoff mail bag

548
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Speaker 1: when I answer you guys questions from my d M

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Speaker 1: s on Instagram or trying to be pretty active. Uh okay,

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Speaker 1: let's start you guys writing Instagram at John Middlecoff is

551
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Speaker 1: my Instagram handle d m S wide open. You slide in,

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Speaker 1: you get your question. Answer, Hey, John love the pot

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Speaker 1: same big a SU fan wondering your thoughts on having

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Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis on the staff and what impact it will

555
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Speaker 1: be in recruiting. Do you think his presence could lead

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Speaker 1: to a long term control of the Pack twelve Pack

557
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Speaker 1: twelve South. Well, I don't follow recruiting that closely, but

558
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Speaker 1: I follow it close enough to know they've recruited really well.

559
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: And Marvin Lewis, who I think you know, a lot

560
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Speaker 1: of new school people on Twitter laugh at like, I

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Speaker 1: think you need to check the resume of what the

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Speaker 1: Bengals were, what he did when he took over, and

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Speaker 1: how successful they were under his watch. So one hundred percent,

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Speaker 1: I think it helps. It helps Herm Edwards now, I

565
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Speaker 1: think it helps more like a week to week game

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Speaker 1: planning if he starts maybe helping out the defense or

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Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator just giving his thoughts to Herm. Just

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Speaker 1: in general recruiting wise, I don't know how much it's

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Speaker 1: gonna help. It doesn't hurt. But Herm can recruit by himself.

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Speaker 1: I mean Herm and he has Antonio Pierce. Like recruiting

571
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Speaker 1: is not going to be They didn't need Marvin Lewis

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Speaker 1: to recruit. What they need is to be able to

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Speaker 1: scheme people up x's nose wise, and look at the division.

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Speaker 1: I think Jim Kelly is the most overrated coach currently

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Speaker 1: in college football. I want to say overrated. I mean

576
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Speaker 1: a guy that still has a big, you know, kind

577
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Speaker 1: of the hype on him when you say his name

578
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: is still resonates, and I don't think he's good anymore.

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Speaker 1: And I know for a fact no people that are

580
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Speaker 1: involved in recruiting. They're not recruiting well, and I don't

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Speaker 1: think they're gonna be very good. The Trojans are a disaster.

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Speaker 1: Clay Hilton is not a USC head coach. Now, they

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Speaker 1: have talent, but they're not very good. Then I go

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Speaker 1: to Utah, they're solid winning. Ham's good, but they're not

585
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Speaker 1: getting blue Chippers. He's just such a good coach. Colorado

586
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Speaker 1: got what's his name from Georgia melt Tucker, who was

587
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Speaker 1: saving and been in the NFL for a while. I

588
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Speaker 1: think mel Tucker was a coach they hired. He never

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Speaker 1: coached on the West coast and Colorado is not an

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Speaker 1: easy job. And then you look at Arizona, Kevin Somblin,

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Speaker 1: that's Arizona's a tough job to win at. So I

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Speaker 1: think when Dick Tomy passed he had like five of

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Speaker 1: the seven double digit win season, the history of the

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Speaker 1: program might have been like three of the five. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's they don't win a lot there. So yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think Arizona State, if herm can keep this thing rolling

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Speaker 1: and they can recruit, definitely could be a major factor.

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Speaker 1: Lifelong Cowboys fan here, I'm wondering why no one is

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Speaker 1: talking about Dallas. I don't know where you're listening to

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Speaker 1: a reading. I think I feel like everyone's always talking

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Speaker 1: about Dallas. Have they not made enough offseason acquisitions. I

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Speaker 1: do kind of like it because Dallas sort of under

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Speaker 1: dog vibe I see. I think they're one of the

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Speaker 1: best teams in the league. I think, top to bottom,

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Speaker 1: the rosters loaded. Uh they return, they returned to coach,

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Speaker 1: they return a quarterback that have all been playoffs, that

607
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Speaker 1: have all been to the playoffs. They return a lot

608
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Speaker 1: of good offensive lineman, a star running back, star receiver.

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Speaker 1: They add Jason went and back to the mix. Defensively,

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Speaker 1: they were loaded. I mean, I think the Cowboys. People

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Speaker 1: always ask me who's gonna win the NFC East. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but I think the Eagles and Cowboys

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Speaker 1: are both playoff teams. I'd be shocked if both those

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Speaker 1: teams don't win double digit games. To me, both those

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Speaker 1: teams one should win twelve, the others should win like

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Speaker 1: thirt team. I think they are two of the best

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Speaker 1: teams in the NFL. I really think that highly of them.

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Speaker 1: I know Jason Garrett takes a lot of crap. I

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Speaker 1: don't think Jason Garrett's that bad, Like is he Bill Walsh? No?

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Speaker 1: But is people talk about him like as the Clapper

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Speaker 1: and make fun of him. Now granted, up, you know,

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Speaker 1: I can't throw stones at the glass house. I have to,

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Speaker 1: but I always stick up for him in the sense

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Speaker 1: that he's not Jim Tom Seula or Jack del Real

625
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: like the guy wins, the guy makes the playoffs consistently.

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Speaker 1: Now is he the type guy you want in a

627
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Speaker 1: big playoff game? We could argue that, but I think

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Speaker 1: Jason Garrett's better than most. So yeah, I think the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys flying out of the radar. Like I got news

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Speaker 1: for you. The Cowboys are never flying under the radar.

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Speaker 1: But I do agree in the sense that how talented

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Speaker 1: their team is, they're not receiving the same hype like

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Speaker 1: the Browns are receiving more hype, and the Cowboys have

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Speaker 1: done remarkably more. Dak Prescott has accomplished remarkably more than

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, So yeah, I agree there. What are your

636
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Speaker 1: thoughts on the expectation for Sam Donald the Adam Gates

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Speaker 1: offense This year? Their wide receiver room improved with the

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Speaker 1: addition of Crowder, but their receiving course still lacks the

639
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Speaker 1: wide receiver talent. I agree. I think they're gonna be

640
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Speaker 1: good because I think Adam Gates a good coach. I

641
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: think Levian helps a lot. That's we're having a sweet

642
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: running back that catches the ball a lot like Levian

643
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: catching hunter balls they don't like. They didn't just add

644
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: a running back, they added a dynamic offensive weapon. So

645
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Speaker 1: I would expect Levian to rush for a thousand and

646
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: catch ninety five balls, and then the wide receiver room

647
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Speaker 1: with Robbie, Uh, Robbie Anderson's his name. I'm trying to

648
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: think of the wide receivers as James and Crowder. Yeah,

649
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: I mean, they don't really have the offensive weapons. Their

650
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: defense should be a lot better, and I think Sam

651
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: Donald's just a playmaker. To me, their problem was at

652
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: three there wasn't like a Julio Jones or someone in

653
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: this draft, So what were they supposed to do? You

654
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: couldn't take one of the tight ends that high. They

655
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: couldn't trade back, So I would expect the Jets to

656
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: be like eight and eight. I mean, I saw Adam

657
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: Gates do more with less in Miami. I think this

658
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: Jets roster is not that bad, especially in that division,

659
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: is not very good. Colin always says the SEC coaches

660
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,959
Speaker 1: are saving at a bunch of gym teachers. Being a

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00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: lifelong suffering South Carolina fan, my coach actually looks like

662
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: a gym teach here, he kind of does, and is

663
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: taking the program nowhere soon. Who can replace must Champ

664
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Speaker 1: so we can be competitive? I think you're giving must

665
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: Champ somewhat of a bad rap. I agree he does

666
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: have a little gym teacher to him, the Tennessee coach,

667
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: little gym teacher Dan Mullin. I'd say a little bit

668
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: better in a gym teacher, maybe like a college p teacher.

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Speaker 1: I'd go Jimbo. Jim is a high level coach. I

670
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: mean he's won a national championship. Gus is a good coach.

671
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: Oseron little Jim teacher. I think Kirby is a good coach.

672
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Speaker 1: I would agree the coaching is saving in a bunch

673
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: of kind of randoms. Kirby's good, Jimbo is good. Ogeron

674
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: I think has gotten better, but he's still at Ogeron.

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00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: What's crazy is, by far, the Football Conference is the

676
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: closest thing there is the NFL in terms of the intensity,

677
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: the way it's covered, in terms of the top to

678
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: bottom talent, in terms of the money they pay the coaches,

679
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: in terms of the standard every program holds their coaches

680
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: and players to winner twinner go home there, which I

681
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: love the SEC. I think they're my know as you know,

682
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: if you're South Carolina fan, it just means more. As

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Speaker 1: a Pack twelve guy, and I even call myself a

684
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 1: mat whack Mountain West guy too, it does just mean more.

685
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: But I do think the coaching stuff. Here's what's hard, though,

686
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Speaker 1: is I don't think you can coach in the SEC

687
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: and not be from the South. I think that plays

688
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: a huge element there. You can't throw a West Coast

689
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: guy in the SEC and have success. I saw with

690
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: my guy Jim mcawaane. You guys hated him in the

691
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: South and he won the SEC East twice. People ready

692
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: to fire him like after a year one. But you

693
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: gotta have that Southern twine. You gotta say we love.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna hit the beat the bushes and find the

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00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: players and make my playmakers make plays. And me and

696
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: my defensive coordinator we're getting ready for for Kentucky this

697
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: weekend and then we got Alabama, then we got Mississippi State.

698
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 1: I love where our program is at. We're gonna keep

699
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: recruiting and are the standard of Saban. We're trying to

700
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: be like Nick Saban. If you don't talk like that,

701
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: and you know, first and foremost g are good Lord

702
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: and savor Jesus Christ, like there are things that do

703
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 1: this like that doesn't matter where I am. It doesn't

704
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,439
Speaker 1: matter what your accent is. If you want to coach

705
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: at USC or Washington, you know, or Ohio State, just

706
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: can you win in the South? You gotta win and

707
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: you kind of gotta be one of them, which I respect.

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00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: I mean, it's part of the deal. And that's why

709
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: Saban's kind of the best of both worlds. When it

710
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: look at jim I mean, the guy's name is Jimbo.

711
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: Now he's an elite coach, Dabbo Kirby. I mean, that's

712
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: that's just the nature of the deal. You know. I'm

713
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: the head coach at Georgia. We got good players. We

714
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: gotta try to win the essays a. We gotta try

715
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: to make it the SEC championship game. We makeing the

716
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: SEC Championship game. We'll make it to the playoffs. We

717
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 1: get to the playoffs, will have a chance to win

718
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: national championship. That's the goal here, to win national championship.

719
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: It's not that that just doesn't fly out where I am.

720
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: You know, it matters there. So I think that makes

721
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: it difficult because in the perfect world, you go, why

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00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't your team South Carolina, Like, why wouldn't they offer

723
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 1: Kyle Whittingham four million dollars a year? Like, Well, Kyle

724
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: Winningham wouldn't fit. Why in an l SS you go

725
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: after Chris Peterson, Well, he wouldn't really fit at l

726
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: s U, even though in theory he should fit. They're

727
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: just good coaches, but they don't. It's like David Child

728
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: works out West, would he work at Mississippi? Probably not.

729
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: And it's the it's the biggest difference between college in

730
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: the NFL. Like in the NFL, if you coach the Niners,

731
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: or you coach the Eagles, or you coach the Houston Texans,

732
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: no one cares how you talk, No one cares who

733
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 1: you're married to. It doesn't matter do you win or lose?

734
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: Can you do? You understand the draft? Right? But if

735
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: you coach at Tennessee, you know, I just the alumni

736
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: at the program. We love Peyton Manning. Arian Foster was

737
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: a great Alvin Kamara Jalen heard played here for a

738
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 1: minute before we transferred the Baylor. We had some disagreements,

739
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: but he just didn't fit the culture of what we

740
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 1: were trying to build here at the University of Tennessee.

741
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: This is the way you talk, which I love. I

742
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: love doing a Southern accent, but don't get me wrong,

743
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: I love the SEC, but there are things that go

744
00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: along with the SEC, Like you can't hire Minnesota his

745
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,439
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, expect him to crush it in the SEC

746
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: if he's not from the South. Because the differences in

747
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 1: the South, and just in college football in general, you'll

748
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: always be torn to go home. Like look at Oregon's

749
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: a top ten job in America, Yet Florida State called

750
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: and Willie Taggart left. Why he's from Florida. Well, if

751
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 1: Willie Taggart had been from California, he's not leaving Oregon

752
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: to go to Florida State. Like David Shaw, West Coast Guy,

753
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: He's not leaving here. Pete Carroll worked at USC, Chris

754
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: Peterson West Coast guy. You see Davis, Mike Belotti, Oregon,

755
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: Kyle Whittingham West Coast guy like you're reading Jim Harbaugh

756
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: played at Michigan Goes Home Urban Meyers somewhat of an

757
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: outlier from Ohio coach, at Utah Coast, at Florida coach.

758
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: He's just an elite coach. But like Jimbo, Jimbo just

759
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: kind of works at l s U, Florida State and

760
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,439
Speaker 1: Texas and m I don't know if Jimbo is really

761
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: working at like cal you know, I don't know if

762
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: Jimbo is working at Iowa. It's so that type stuff

763
00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: does matter. Like gret Siano worked at Rutgers New Jerry

764
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: is he just tough like a mobster. You know, we're

765
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 1: gonna kick your grass in the back of that alley.

766
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: Like Pat Hill, when I worked from my Fresno State

767
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: play any anytime, anywhere? Play what was it was? Anytime anywhere?

768
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: I'm screwed up his sank, But it was Fresno just

769
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: just kind of a crap, shitty city. Now people in

770
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: the five nine will resent that, but let's call it

771
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: what it is, called the arm pit of California. But

772
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: it's just blue collar people ready to hit people in

773
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: the mouth. And that's who Pat Hill was that's why

774
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: he worked. And he's from l A tough part of

775
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: l A, so it was per he just fit. He

776
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: fit the culture, you know, and he every year take

777
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: on Oklahoma Tennessee didn't matter. But I think your college

778
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: coach doesn't matter where he's from to have long term success.

779
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: So Phil Savage, who I had on earlier this week,

780
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 1: good interview if you haven't heard it was on on

781
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: the Tuesday show that he often told me about Nick

782
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: Saban like he would never coach on in California the

783
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: West Coast. And I don't blame him, like he wouldn't

784
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: fit out here. He's standards who eyes, you know, he's

785
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: an asshole. He kind of be crushed. They eat that

786
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: up in the South, and he just probably thinks we're

787
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: soft out here, And I got news for you, He's

788
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 1: not wrong. Uh were in the middle cooff household, which

789
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: try not to be, but a lot of other people

790
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: around here are. And I think that just regionally, it

791
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: plays a big deal in college football. One point you

792
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: talked about, I want you to expand on for me

793
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: forced opinion. TV shows. They're usually annoying and get hate

794
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: on social media. Why are these shows a thing? They

795
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: usually pick topics. Literally, no one is arguing about other

796
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: than two guys on the set. And you see a

797
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: future where radio mirrors podcasts. Uh, And you see a

798
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 1: future where radio mirrors podcast Will f s one ever

799
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 1: have first Things First or the herd just pick up

800
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: either topics on expanding Yeah, I mean, I I got

801
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: news for you. On television, you do things that rate

802
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: and if they don't rate, they get scrapped. So it's

803
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,959
Speaker 1: all about ratings. Like I know where I live, local

804
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: radio is dying. I do way more listeners on this

805
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: show than any local radio show in my market. Now.

806
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: I know local radio shows and like Philly and New

807
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: York are doing well, but I know this, There's never

808
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: been more people living in the Bay Area and our

809
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: market share and local radio has never been lower and

810
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 1: usually at least us on the West Coast or a

811
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: little ahead of the curve, like podcasts are the thing.

812
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: And the difference with podcast now, you're always you're either

813
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: growing or dying in business. But you have to seek

814
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: this podcast out. Now. A lot of you have found

815
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: me through Colin. But if you don't like it, you

816
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: won't listen right, and if you like it, you'll keep

817
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: listening and tell in word of mouth, tell your friends. Like,

818
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: at one point in time, no one knew who Colin

819
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: was when he showed up at ESPN unless you had

820
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: lived in one of the areas in which he had worked.

821
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: But then the first time you heard him at ESPN,

822
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: because it gave him a bigger platform, you're like, Holy hell,

823
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: this guy is really good. You know, it doesn't the

824
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: man on the moon can tell you this guy is

825
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: good at his job. It was clear he was. He's starr,

826
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Speaker 1: you know. I remember listening for the first time, probably

827
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 1: like my freshman year in college, oh three, oh four.

828
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: I don't know when his first year. I just remember

829
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: that first year two when he got the ESPN job

830
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: and I was a gym Rome guy. I was like,

831
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna listen to this, and I've listened to him

832
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: ever since. But I think Colin there's a balance of

833
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: like ratings, but there's also a balance like he can

834
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: just talk about any topic and make it interesting, and

835
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: I think there are some topics that the the arguing

836
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: shows I also do think mirror a lot of the

837
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: political shows. People always freak out in the media members

838
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: who are just so left leaning. They're always like, oh

839
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: my god, Fox News. Fox News is the same thing,

840
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: MSNBC and CNN do. They all do the same thing.

841
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: They just picked different sides. They do it because it works.

842
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: Fox News the most lucrative cable news channel and the

843
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: history of America. So they do these argument shows because

844
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: people watch. If people didn't watch, they would they would

845
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: cancel them. It's I don't like it. Now, would I

846
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: sell out? I hope not, But I struggle. I didn't

847
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: get into this to do topics I don't want to

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Speaker 1: talk about now. Luckily, for me, I'm a little different

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Speaker 1: because I didn't go to journal is in school. I'm

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Speaker 1: not some elite left liberal. I just have thoughts like

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Speaker 1: a normal human, you know. And I think a lot

852
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: of the media are so extreme like that's that's not

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Speaker 1: really me. And most of the time, and luckily this

854
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Speaker 1: just worked out, I think the opposite of the mass media.

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Speaker 1: So the mass media hangs left. I just I don't

856
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Speaker 1: have to force myself to go right. I'm just like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't really agree with him. So luckily, the media

858
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: is all kind of group think. You notice, for the

859
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: most part, they all think alike. It's one reason why

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00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: Collins always stood out he just thinks a little differently

861
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Speaker 1: than them, and he's really smart. So it's a combination.

862
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,479
Speaker 1: I got. It's really guys smart to make a good point.

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Speaker 1: Everyone else saying the other thing, like right now with

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Speaker 1: Mark Stevens, the Golden State Warriors owner that got banned,

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Speaker 1: I know, Colin went a big thing. He should be

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Speaker 1: banned for life. I actually my first reaction was, it's

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Speaker 1: not a little extreme, Like he didn't hit the guy

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Speaker 1: in the face. He shoved the guy and he said

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Speaker 1: f you to him or whatever. But and I'm not

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Speaker 1: defending this guy. I'd never heard of him till he

871
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: shoved Kyle Lowry. But he got a year long band

872
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Speaker 1: in a five in a thousand or fine. Like the

873
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Speaker 1: Larry Bearer, who the CEO of the Giants that I'm

874
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 1: sure many of you saw on TMZ shoved his wife

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Speaker 1: to the ground. I got three months and to me,

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Speaker 1: that's way worse than anything Mark Stevens did. And I'm

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Speaker 1: not trying to say I don't know how you distinguish

878
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: bad acts. They're both bad acts, but I don't know.

879
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the we live in a culture

880
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,439
Speaker 1: of constant overreaction, and everyone wants to just basically throw

881
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Speaker 1: people in jail. It's why the Tyreek Hill think. Tyree

882
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: Hill hit his kid and broke his arm and hit

883
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: you know, whatever he's accused of doing, he should go

884
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Speaker 1: to jail. If he didn't and this girl made it up,

885
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: she should go to jail. I'm I'm pretty consistent on

886
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: those deals. Luke Walton, he's in something right now. If

887
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Speaker 1: Luke Walton attempted to rape Kelly Tennant, Luke Walton should

888
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: go to jail. If she made it up, she should

889
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: go to jail. Like, aren't these issues pretty black and white? Now?

890
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Speaker 1: I think some of them are tough, Like the Mark

891
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 1: Stevens thing. Everyone's like he's gotta go, Like, really does

892
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: he for? What is that really gonna solve? You know,

893
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying he didn't cross the line and didn't

894
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: make a fool of himself, but banning him for a year, Like,

895
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Speaker 1: what is that really solving anything? I don't know. My

896
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Speaker 1: question is regarding Julio Jones, which I believe is constantly

897
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Speaker 1: undervalued by the media members in terms of ranking against

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Speaker 1: his peer receivers, but also an overall athlete. In your

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Speaker 1: second last episode, you had guys like Tyree killing Odell

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Speaker 1: Beckham is freak athletes, but never mentioned Julio is Dude's

901
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Speaker 1: lack of TV production. I I think it's fair to

902
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Speaker 1: put Julio right in that in that level, I think

903
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: Tyreek Killing, Odell Beckham or Twitcher athletes are more explosive athletes. Uh,

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Speaker 1: They're just a different type athlete. I mean, Tyree Hill

905
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: is one of the most explosive athletes we've ever seen

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Speaker 1: in NFL history. Odell Beckham is close. We've seen Julio

907
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: type players before. Julio is like the a better version

908
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Speaker 1: of Calvin Johnson. He's a remarkable athlete. You know, I'm

909
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Speaker 1: not just because I called Tyreek Hill the cream of

910
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: the crop doesn't mean that Julio is not elite too. Uh.

911
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: There's just differences, Like Steph Curry is a great athlete,

912
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: but Russell Westbrook is superior. Steph Curry is a better player,

913
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Speaker 1: like Julio Jones a better player than than Odell Beckham.

914
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Speaker 1: Just a fact. I mean, the resume speak for itself.

915
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Speaker 1: So I think sometimes when we use athletes it's all relative.

916
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Speaker 1: Like if you play in the NFL at wide receiver,

917
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Speaker 1: percent of them are high end athletes, then you start

918
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Speaker 1: nitpicking the high end athletes, you go, well, Tyree Hill,

919
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Speaker 1: Odell Beckham, Like Odell Beckham is just a much better

920
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Speaker 1: athlete than Jarvis Landry. Jarvis Landry has been much more

921
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Speaker 1: productive in his career, but Odell Beckham is just a

922
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Speaker 1: different level athlete. Even like DeVante Adams. Davante Adams a

923
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: really good athlete, but you wouldn't call him a quick

924
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: twitch athlete. He has a good feet And this is

925
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: like scouting kind of lingo, but you really dive in

926
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Speaker 1: on the individual athlete. You can be an elite like

927
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 1: you don't have to be Lebron James your sport to dominate.

928
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: Steph Curry isn't a super twitchy athlete. You can get

929
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Speaker 1: by an Kwon Bolden was an elite player forever. He

930
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: couldn't run. Crabtree had some great season. You can't run,

931
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Speaker 1: so you can get by with skill. Julils the combination

932
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Speaker 1: of them both, I would say the one knock on him.

933
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Speaker 1: He doesn't have great natural hands, but he's still got

934
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Speaker 1: good hands. There's a lot of talk about guaranteed contracts

935
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Speaker 1: for NFL players. Do you think if the owners in

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Speaker 1: the NFL did agree that you see owners take the

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00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: cheap way out and only signed players to one or

938
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Speaker 1: two years at a time. I think they do a problem.

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Speaker 1: I think they would do that to protect themselves against

940
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Speaker 1: major injuries, but I could also see it being a

941
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Speaker 1: negative if you sign a player for cheap and they

942
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Speaker 1: have a massive year. Just want to get your thoughts.

943
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Speaker 1: I think it's a tough deal because as fans of

944
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Speaker 1: the NFL, and you're you're a fan of your team

945
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: typically first and then of players on the team. You

946
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Speaker 1: don't want your team to be stuck with shitty contracts

947
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: like you understand it with quarterbacks. But the best part

948
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Speaker 1: about all these other contracts, unless you have a Khalil

949
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: mac or Aaron Donald, for the most part, you're gonna

950
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 1: sign a pretty team friendly deal. And if the guy

951
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: is good, you're gonna control him. If he stinks, you're

952
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: gonna be able to get rid of him. It's one

953
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Speaker 1: of the best things the NFL has going for him.

954
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: And unlike baseball and basketball, injuries are much more prevalent

955
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: in the NFL. It's much more of a violent, physical game.

956
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: There's legitimately contact on every given play. You're just gonna

957
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,439
Speaker 1: have much more injuries. Would you want as a fan

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Speaker 1: the NFL to get fully guaranteed contracts to non quarterbacks,

959
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Speaker 1: because I wouldn't. I don't think that would be good business.

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Speaker 1: I know Twitter would applaud it and the players would

961
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,720
Speaker 1: be super happy, but it's not good for the product.

962
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Speaker 1: You think it would be good for the product. If

963
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: that means the Dominican su would still be on the Dolphins,

964
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: that would mean, you know, certain players would be just

965
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: stuck on teams. You wouldn't be able to get rid

966
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Speaker 1: of anybody. I don't want that. Now. I do think

967
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: there needs to be a fairer process four players to

968
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Speaker 1: get more guaranteed money of the true seat. You know,

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna sign me to a three year deal,

970
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: but say it's a five year deal, well all three

971
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 1: of those years need to be you know, guaranteed. And

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Speaker 1: maybe the contract structure needs to change a little bit,

973
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Speaker 1: because the NFL contract structure is just weird. It's just

974
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Speaker 1: hard to understand. It's why you gotta be really smart

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Speaker 1: to negotiate the contract. But I I don't think the

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Speaker 1: NFL will and should go to that model now. I

977
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Speaker 1: do think the players are undervalued financially given what the

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Speaker 1: league is making. But I also think it's a little

979
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Speaker 1: more complicated like baseball than basketball. You're like, well, the

980
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: players make way more. Yeah, there's five of them, you know,

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Speaker 1: on a court, and really like seven or eight of

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Speaker 1: them on a twelve man roster that matter. And if

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Speaker 1: you have one or two of the main guys, you

984
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: signed him to huge money. Well, if I'm if you're

985
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Speaker 1: the seventh best player on my team, I don't feel

986
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Speaker 1: great about giving you ten million dollars a year. And

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00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: that's really their argument. It's like, it's not necessarily the

988
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: high end guys, the highend guys are all making money.

989
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: It's the second, third, and fourth tier guys that are

990
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 1: getting screwed. And it's I don't necessarily have an answer.

991
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: I'm not smart enough. I just know big picture, you

992
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 1: would never want Like I'm just trying to think of

993
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: a player that signed this year, c J. Mosley. You

994
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: know he got true I think, like fifty million dollars,

995
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: but his deal was like six years, eighty million dollars.

996
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: What if every one of those pennies was guaranteed? So

997
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: basically you all him like thirteen million dollars or fifteen

998
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: million dollars a year for six years. So if you

999
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: start sucking in three, you stuck with him for another three.

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Speaker 1: The great part about the NFL is I can get

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Speaker 1: rid of him in two if he's not good. Give

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Speaker 1: your team a lot of flexibility, which I think matters

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Speaker 1: and which is a big reason the NFL excels. Is

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Speaker 1: that flexibility. Uh yeah, so just keep hitting my middlecock

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Speaker 1: mail bad questions that that's gonna do it. We're about

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Speaker 1: fifty minutes in. Let you get to this weekend. You

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Speaker 1: might be in this weekend, maybe getting a little morning

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Speaker 1: job on a Saturday. Appreciate you listening, Keep telling your friends,

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Speaker 1: and I'll see you next week. John Middlecoff three Now

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Speaker 1: Podcast Peace