WEBVTT - Jake Johnson

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<v Speaker 1>Ian wasn't like, that's my guy, right, He was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>the people in here think he's the guy you this way?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you get to it again with less of your instincts?

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<v Speaker 1>Is there any way to do that with a different

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<v Speaker 1>voice and a different face. Hi, I'm Jake Johnson and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm excited to talk to Brian after the Packers choking

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<v Speaker 1>the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, Hello, one and all, Welcome back to another episode

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<v Speaker 2>of Off the Beat. It's me everybody. Brian Baumgartner with

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<v Speaker 2>me today. As you just heard, is a fantastic and

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<v Speaker 2>very funny man, Jake john and he started out as

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<v Speaker 2>a writer, as a production assistant and slowly moved in

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<v Speaker 2>front of the camera to become the actor that everybody

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<v Speaker 2>knows today. Of course, Jake played Nick Miller on New Girl,

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<v Speaker 2>Gray on Stumptown, Doug on Minx. He is silly, he

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<v Speaker 2>is shady, he is sleazy. He really does it all.

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<v Speaker 2>And he has a podcast too, We're Here to Help,

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<v Speaker 2>very funny podcast with his friend Gareth Reynolds. They give

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<v Speaker 2>sage advice to listeners who call in with questions they

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<v Speaker 2>need help with, and he sometimes hosts super handsome celebrity

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<v Speaker 2>guests like me or actually me. See, I was just

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<v Speaker 2>on an episode. I had an amazing time. I answered

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<v Speaker 2>a question from a listener that I promise you this

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<v Speaker 2>you do not want to miss, so go check it out.

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<v Speaker 2>We're Here to Help with Jake, with Gareth and well

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<v Speaker 2>with me. So now that I've been on his podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>it's only right that he comes on mine and shares

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<v Speaker 2>his stories with all of us. Jake is a great guy,

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<v Speaker 2>very thoughtful, very smart, very funny. It's my pleasure to

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<v Speaker 2>have gotten to know him. Here he is Jake Johnson,

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<v Speaker 2>Bubble and Squeak. I love it. Bubble and Squeak. I

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<v Speaker 2>know Bubble and Squeak. I could get every mo lift

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<v Speaker 2>over from the night before. What's up, Jake?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey man, how are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm great? How are you?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>It's good to see you again. I mean, look at this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been it was years, and now it's like twice in.

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<v Speaker 1>A row, the podcast era of.

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<v Speaker 2>I have been thinking about it all day. For those

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<v Speaker 2>of you who don't know, I was just on the

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<v Speaker 2>We're Here to Help podcast with my new good friend

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<v Speaker 2>Jake and Gareth. I have to ask you, has there

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<v Speaker 2>been any follow up on the question that we got

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<v Speaker 2>asked on the podcast brief set up, they ask their

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<v Speaker 2>listeners we give advice there on the We're here to

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<v Speaker 2>help podcasts, and someone came in and asked a question

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<v Speaker 2>about a potential pornographic tape that she believed her parents

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<v Speaker 2>had made and no one had looked at. Did they

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<v Speaker 2>send you the tape? Have you reviewed it?

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<v Speaker 1>They have sent the tape. Okay, we are reviewing, I

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<v Speaker 1>believe next week because Kevin is getting it switched over

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<v Speaker 1>right now so we could review it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The show is a call in advice show, and we've

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<v Speaker 1>kind of found the more ridiculous the calls, the more

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<v Speaker 1>fun for us and for the audience. And this one

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<v Speaker 1>was a woman found a tape in the attic of

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<v Speaker 1>her parents that said, you know, I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>you remember more than me, Brian, But it was like

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<v Speaker 1>wedding come a porno or sex or something that was

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<v Speaker 1>like it was like.

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<v Speaker 2>An eight her eighty year old grandmother's like birthday party.

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<v Speaker 2>But then there was a note that said X rated.

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<v Speaker 1>X rated That's what it was. Yeah, so we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be watching it next week. The follow ups have been

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<v Speaker 1>the key for fun for us to the longevity for

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<v Speaker 1>it because the callers become characters that we care about,

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<v Speaker 1>and we talked. We've now talked to certain people like

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<v Speaker 1>five times, and when they call in, we're like, you know, hey, Connor,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you what's going.

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<v Speaker 2>On with the roommate?

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<v Speaker 1>And he'll be like, let me tell you, it's been

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<v Speaker 1>mad at Florida. Fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, Oh that was that was very surprising, but a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of fun. If you haven't checked out, we're here

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<v Speaker 2>to help, or specifically, I mean me, we're here to help.

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<v Speaker 2>Legendary episode. I some someone said it was the best

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<v Speaker 2>episode ever. I don't know if that was you.

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<v Speaker 1>I think all of us, it was all the fans.

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<v Speaker 2>It could have been my publicist, the studio. Well, let's

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<v Speaker 2>talk about you today. My most favorite subject you you. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't talk about this too much when we talked

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<v Speaker 2>on your program there, but you do hail from Chicago born, raised,

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<v Speaker 2>big Chicago sports fan. I'll right, we've got a bear

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<v Speaker 2>smug you.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember that on our show we were talking you. I

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<v Speaker 1>was asking you questions about the office. Yes, I was

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<v Speaker 1>talking about like the inner personal dynamics and who you

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<v Speaker 1>hit the hardest with. And Gareth goes, yeah, I've got

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<v Speaker 1>something interesting, and I was like, don't turn change the

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<v Speaker 1>subject because you know, as a guy who like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>honest sitcom and love sitcoms, I love the insider baseball

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<v Speaker 1>of it, right. I find those dynamics so fun, and

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<v Speaker 1>as an actor, it's great. But what he told me

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<v Speaker 1>off air was that you and Aaron Rodgers are good boy.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, you guys are buddies.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I'm a Packers guy. He and I

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<v Speaker 2>play some golf together. How do you feel about the

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<v Speaker 2>Bears this year? Do you let me ask you this?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I love I love to destroy hope. How are

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<v Speaker 2>you feeling hopeful now about the Bears? Very?

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<v Speaker 1>Very Arry?

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<v Speaker 2>Very oh very I thought you said Barry.

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<v Speaker 1>No Chicago, Barry. I'll tell you why I am. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I am so Ryan Poles our gm uh huh he.

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<v Speaker 1>At first I was not sure. I was like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you always poach, and you go like, well, look at

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<v Speaker 1>what they did with the Chiefs, look at what they

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<v Speaker 1>did with this other team, and you go, we all

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<v Speaker 1>know the way businesses work. There's like one or two

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<v Speaker 1>people making the decisions and there's nine other people getting

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<v Speaker 1>the credit. And I'm like, look, because you had the

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<v Speaker 1>logo of AT and T didn't mean to create the eight,

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<v Speaker 1>and so he came over. I was not overly excited.

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<v Speaker 1>He made a couple moves that I thought, like, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>we got rid of Mac. We got Chase Claypool for

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<v Speaker 1>our second round. I was like, I'm not loving it.

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<v Speaker 1>That Carolina Panthers trade is going to go down as

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<v Speaker 1>one of the greatest trades in the last few decades

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<v Speaker 1>because we had Justin Fields and he's a quarterback. I like, so,

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard a lot of trash on him, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>he's a very good quarterback. He's really fun to watch. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we kept him for a year, which I think was smart.

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<v Speaker 1>We traded the number one, which no Bryce Young' school.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'll take Caleb Williams over him. And then we

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<v Speaker 1>got everything else we got, including Dj Moore, including you

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<v Speaker 1>know Durrell right, including Tyreek Stevenson the cornerback, including next year.

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<v Speaker 1>Second I'm like, ooh, Ryan Poles, let him cook. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you have a great GM, and now you've got

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<v Speaker 1>a top ten defense, and now you got wide receivers,

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<v Speaker 1>and now you got Caleb Williams, who's a potential star.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Brian Where do you finish this year?

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<v Speaker 1>I think this year we sneak into the playoffs. Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we could wildcard it in. I think we

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<v Speaker 1>go for a run. Caleb Williams has to learn a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. It's his first year. I think Rome Dunes

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be a stud, but this is his

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<v Speaker 1>first year. I think Keenan Allen, our wide receiver, will

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<v Speaker 1>be a one and done. But I think we will

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<v Speaker 1>figure it out. Our defense will take a step forward.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna win some big games. We're gonna go on

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<v Speaker 1>a run in the middle of the season where we

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<v Speaker 1>win like three in a row. Okay, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>think we sneak into the playoffs and we'll see what

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<v Speaker 1>happens there.

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<v Speaker 2>So in the North, yeah, do you beat out the Lions?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we split with the Lions last year.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not wasn't my question.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, I would say, I don't. I don't fear the

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<v Speaker 1>Lions as a Bears fan.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you finish ahead of the Packers?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, But wait a second. At the beginning of

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<v Speaker 2>this conversation, you already we were saying you're gonna sneak

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<v Speaker 2>in as a wild card. So you're Minnesota you scared.

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<v Speaker 2>You're scared of Minnesota. J J.

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<v Speaker 1>McCarthy.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm just trying. Well now, I'm trying. Now I'm confused.

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<v Speaker 2>You sound like a Bears fan. I love this so much.

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<v Speaker 1>I love Okay, I don't think the Vikings. I like

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<v Speaker 1>their head coach. I think what they're doing is interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I love Brian Flores. I think he's a great coordinator.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know about Sam Darnold. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>JJ is the guy, and if he is for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Jordan Love is good. I think he's a

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<v Speaker 1>little overhyped. I think the way Packers fans, what I

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<v Speaker 1>say to Gareth is there the team that the belief

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<v Speaker 1>with the Packers is the goal is is to go

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<v Speaker 1>far but not win at all. So they're always really good,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're not like a top tier team.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>But the goal with the Packers is to go far

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<v Speaker 1>and then lose the big games.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that's the goal. I think that's I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's what what it maybe has happened a few

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<v Speaker 2>too many times. I don't I disagree that that's the goal.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I always say that that's what Gareth Reynolds my partner,

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<v Speaker 1>you're here to help. Who has a Packers tattoo? Okay

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<v Speaker 1>literally said, well, we're text.

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<v Speaker 2>What is his tattoo? Is it just a G? Please

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<v Speaker 2>tell me it's just a G? It's just a G.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it would be better if it was like

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<v Speaker 1>a G with like him holding it up. But we

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<v Speaker 1>were texting and being mean to each other the way

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<v Speaker 1>we are when the season goes on, where we just

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<v Speaker 1>abuse each other.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things he said is because I was

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<v Speaker 1>getting at them about how you guys do notoriously choke

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<v Speaker 1>against the great teams in the playoffs. You do great

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<v Speaker 1>in the regular season. You guys are regular season killers.

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<v Speaker 1>And then when it gets tight, you know, you bet

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<v Speaker 1>against the Packers. And he said the goal of it

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<v Speaker 1>is to go far. And I thought, you just summed

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<v Speaker 1>up the Packers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I disagree with that. By the way, if you

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<v Speaker 2>bet on the Packers last year in their last game,

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<v Speaker 2>you win. By the way, you think they choked in

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<v Speaker 2>their last game last year, I think they missed a

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<v Speaker 2>field goal. Yeah, not choking, No, I don't think.

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<v Speaker 1>I think when I'm talking more of the choking. It

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<v Speaker 1>was every year leading up to that, in the last

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<v Speaker 1>few years where every year during the regular season, the

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<v Speaker 1>Packers looked unbeatable. And now the forty nine ers are

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<v Speaker 1>just a better tea. They're just now better teams than

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers. But there were years where I didn't see

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<v Speaker 1>a better team in the NFC than that, and then

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<v Speaker 1>they would get to the playoffs and then you would

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<v Speaker 1>see a better team. But last year, you know, when

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<v Speaker 1>they beat the Cowboys, I didn't expect that. And then

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<v Speaker 1>who they lose to? They lost to the forty nine ers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they should have won. Yeah, but the.

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<v Speaker 1>Forty nine ers were just a better team. And so

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<v Speaker 1>oh I remember that game. Yeah, they did choke. They

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<v Speaker 1>were kicking ass until the last six minutes of the games.

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<v Speaker 2>The field goal, Yeah, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Then Jordan Loved threw that like dog shit pass across

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<v Speaker 1>the field where he just got nervous and weirded out.

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<v Speaker 1>He just packered it. He just went like the game

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<v Speaker 1>was going great and then he just went.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the goal is to go far and went, I

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<v Speaker 2>loes you see, you think that this bothers me, But

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<v Speaker 2>let me tell you something. The fact that you have

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<v Speaker 2>hope this year. I love, I love. What do you think?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think?

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<v Speaker 2>You know? Just like the song says, the Bears still suck.

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<v Speaker 2>The Bears still suck.

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<v Speaker 1>And so what do you think in terms of this

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<v Speaker 1>team if you actually look at their roster.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that you don't know until until you get there. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>you said Caleb Williams, there's potential huge, But what is that?

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<v Speaker 2>What is that we haven't seen him play a game yet?

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<v Speaker 2>I agree? I mean what our situation last year it

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<v Speaker 2>kind of wasn't close Stroud and Bryce, yes, and who

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<v Speaker 2>became the star?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Look, I'm not disagreeing that we haven't seen him play,

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<v Speaker 1>but as a betting man, I'm betting that Caleb Williams

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<v Speaker 1>is going to do pretty well.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So the Bears win the division.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I think it's going to be close. Look

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<v Speaker 1>when I said I'm not scared of the Lions we

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<v Speaker 1>split last year, I don't know they you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's going to be a three team race, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, with congratulations for getting into the race, congratulations.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think in terms of what's going to happen

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<v Speaker 1>with the NFC North, the truth is with the Vikings,

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<v Speaker 1>if we're being totally honest, they don't scare me. But

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<v Speaker 1>they have a good head coach and they have a

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<v Speaker 1>great defense, and Brian Flores is a real like I

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<v Speaker 1>liked him as our head coach when he was available,

0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:18.520
<v Speaker 1>we went Fluse. So I'm just starting to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>wrap my head around because he seems to be a

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<v Speaker 1>culture guy, and Florence seems to be less of a

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<v Speaker 1>culture guy more of a confuse your offense guy. And

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<v Speaker 1>he seemed meaner, and he seemed more Chicago, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was interested, okay, And so what he's done in Minnesota

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<v Speaker 1>is really fun on defense. So I think there's a

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<v Speaker 1>chance we could all beat each other up in the North,

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<v Speaker 1>and if we don't win the division, we could sneak

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<v Speaker 1>into the wild Card. I could see any of the

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<v Speaker 1>four teams getting in, and I could see any of

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<v Speaker 1>the four teams having a real dog shit turn.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't fully, but I don't think anybody from the

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<v Speaker 1>NFC North is going to the super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, you've heard it, hot take here on

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<v Speaker 2>off the beat. No NFC North team is going to

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<v Speaker 2>the super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think of that? Brian? You think the

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<v Speaker 1>Packers are going to the super Bowl?

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<v Speaker 2>I think their schedule is very difficult.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think they're better than the forty nine Ers. No,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't. You can't. Tough to say means not a chance.

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<v Speaker 2>It's tough to say because they're not.

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<v Speaker 1>It's tough to say the truth they're not.

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<v Speaker 2>It's tough to say. It's tough to say.

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<v Speaker 1>You think the Packers are better than the Chiefs if

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<v Speaker 1>they get there.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it is sort of an obvious argument that too.

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<v Speaker 2>Potentially there's that word again. Two of the best three

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<v Speaker 2>teams in the NFC are in the North. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So you you're a big So you like the Lions

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<v Speaker 1>a lot, you like the Packers a lot, and you

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<v Speaker 1>usually don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying I'm not saying who. I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 2>what I like. But I think in terms of the

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<v Speaker 2>roster and the construction and the teams that are out there,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, who knows, Philly's probably going to be way

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<v Speaker 2>better this year than that.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just about to say, you've missed out Phi.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's a yeah, okay, I think Philly and

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<v Speaker 1>the forty nine ers are just roster wize and obviously

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<v Speaker 1>we all see once the season starts, you could build

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<v Speaker 1>a dream team. It's the same with our business. You

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<v Speaker 1>can get an unthinkably great cast with a great cool

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<v Speaker 1>director and a great script, and that movie and that

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<v Speaker 1>show is dog shit and I don't know what. And

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, it wasn't because anybody was like a

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<v Speaker 1>locker room cancer. It just didn't work. Yeah, so there

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<v Speaker 1>has to be whatever that magic is to work, and

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<v Speaker 1>that you don't know because every single season is different.

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<v Speaker 1>But constructra wise, the North is all pretty deep. But

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think anybody's top tier. I think construction wise,

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<v Speaker 1>I go Egles forty nine ers, but I think the

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<v Speaker 1>forty nine ers are better, and I don't think anybody's

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<v Speaker 1>even near the Chiefs, which leads me back to the

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<v Speaker 1>Packers goal. The goal was just to go far.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's Garret's comment. That's not okay, fair enough? All right, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>there you go, it'll be exciting, it's coming.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh what do you think about your buddy's jets.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they got a chance.

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<v Speaker 1>And what do you think about him not going to

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<v Speaker 1>Mini Caamp.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he had something to do. Now you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I try not to get on my soapbox here, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is with no insider information. He was there every

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<v Speaker 2>single day of voluntary camp. Every single day he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>miss a day. He had something he needed to do.

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<v Speaker 2>What he had to do is quite frankly, not anybody's business.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's very overplayed as far as I'm concerned. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he literally was there every day. Yeah, and everybody knew

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<v Speaker 2>that he wasn't going to be there. It doesn't it's

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<v Speaker 2>not like he didn't show up.

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<v Speaker 1>Not a surprise. I got the media made it seem

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<v Speaker 1>like a surprise, but it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>And what did you think about the way your Green

0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:10.000
<v Speaker 1>Bay Packers treated Hall of Fame and your personal friend

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Rodgers.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was time for a parting of the relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it just and by the way, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>the Jordan Love situation triggered it multiple years before it

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<v Speaker 2>because he was playing so so well. That's why it

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<v Speaker 2>didn't happen sooner. And look, you know, he let them

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<v Speaker 2>know that he wanted to stay there, and I think

0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:37.480
<v Speaker 2>he would have enjoyed to stay there. I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to speak for him. I think he's been pretty clear

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<v Speaker 2>about that and it was signaled that that wasn't going

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<v Speaker 2>to happen. So I think a restart for him for

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<v Speaker 2>them probably as well worked out for the best, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, look, he had a tragic, tragic situation on the.

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<v Speaker 1>New turf of the new stadium because he was kicked

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<v Speaker 1>out of his home by your team, Cora's achilles at

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<v Speaker 1>the moment of his career where he should be celebrated

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<v Speaker 1>and put on the shoulders of the fan base, but

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<v Speaker 1>instead he's kicked.

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<v Speaker 2>To the curb. I'll tell you something. This is not

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<v Speaker 2>a joke. I know you're making jokes. I was there

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<v Speaker 2>that game on September eleventh, and I am telling you

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<v Speaker 2>before it happened, I have had the great, great fortune

0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:27.399
<v Speaker 2>of being at a lot of fantastic sporting events. It

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<v Speaker 2>was the most excited, energy filled stadium that I have

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<v Speaker 2>ever experienced, September eleventh, New York, after a whole knocks,

0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:44.040
<v Speaker 2>hard knocks, all the press, the hope, yeah, and then

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<v Speaker 2>it was one of.

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<v Speaker 1>Those I'm an old Cubs fan, so we grew up

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<v Speaker 1>with this idea of a jinx. Yeah, And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>really believe in the jinks. I'm not deep into. I

0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:58.000
<v Speaker 1>find it fun to talk about jinxes and think certain

0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:01.840
<v Speaker 1>people are jinxes and organizations have the black cloud. I

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<v Speaker 1>was cheering for the Jets because of hard knocks. It

0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:07.960
<v Speaker 1>was just so fun. I like that coach, I like

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<v Speaker 1>the feeling I would I like whatever. That DB's name

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<v Speaker 1>is Sauce Gardner.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, And I kind of.

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<v Speaker 1>Wanted to see Aaron Rodgers because I did not like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like the way qbs are treated, and I

0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:23.960
<v Speaker 1>don't like the way veterans are treated in the NFL. Yeah,

0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:27.760
<v Speaker 1>you make an organization so much money that the guy

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<v Speaker 1>finish his career. If he's got two more years, he's

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<v Speaker 1>playing at an MVP level. I'm excited to see him

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<v Speaker 1>have a great year. I still thought the Chiefs would

0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:38.800
<v Speaker 1>probably beat him in the end, but like I thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was gonna be a lot of fun. That first

0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:47.520
<v Speaker 1>play or second play injury almost felt like it wasn't real.

0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:50.760
<v Speaker 1>I was like this camp in New York, and you

0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:53.240
<v Speaker 1>knew it wasn't like a sprain. You were like, nah,

0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:56.919
<v Speaker 1>Aaron Rodgers is pretty tough. This is just to go like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh as an organization, as a fan, but I did

0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:02.719
<v Speaker 1>feel like that one. You guys got a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a.

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<v Speaker 2>Jinks on you. Yeah. Look, I think their roster is

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<v Speaker 2>better this year. I think their schedule is you know,

0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:13.840
<v Speaker 2>it's not easy with a lot of the primetime games

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<v Speaker 2>that they have, but in terms of at least how

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<v Speaker 2>the teams were the last year, how maybe they're expected

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<v Speaker 2>to be. They've got an advantageous schedule. I mean, it's

0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:26.920
<v Speaker 2>tough not to see eleven twelve wins there and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>see what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>If the problem with the NFL right now, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a big fan, I really like it, but it reminds

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<v Speaker 1>me of the Jordan era of basketball, where you go like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I could definitely see eleven wins. I could see twelve wins,

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<v Speaker 1>but I cannot see them beating the Chiefs in Arrowhead

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<v Speaker 1>in the snow. Yeah, you go like all those teams,

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<v Speaker 1>you'd be like, the Trailblazers are looking good. They are stacked,

0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:55.359
<v Speaker 1>and they are gonna run through all the teams they play,

0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:58.000
<v Speaker 1>and then they're gonna see a guy named Michael Jordan

0:21:58.640 --> 0:22:01.840
<v Speaker 1>has a good buddy pit. They're not gonna do any

0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:04.560
<v Speaker 1>and you would go, oh, I think we are in

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<v Speaker 1>the And it's not like I'm saying a huge statement,

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<v Speaker 1>but we are obviously in the Patrick Mahomes era in

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<v Speaker 1>the NFL. They just keep loading up, they keep getting better.

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<v Speaker 1>They know how to win. I'm like, I don't see

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<v Speaker 1>any of these teams knocking them off.

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<v Speaker 2>No one's ever won three in a row. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean the Steelers, Yeah, never won three in a row.

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<v Speaker 1>That's interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>The Cowboys never one three in a row. I'm talking about,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in the.

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<v Speaker 1>Old Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're talking about when guys could

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<v Speaker 1>like rip cigarettes on the sidelines.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're talking about there was a salary cap. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well you're talking about a guy who was a lineman

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<v Speaker 1>and in the off season was a legit carpenter. You know,

0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:50.600
<v Speaker 1>when sports were just the greatest. How about with Jim

0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:53.119
<v Speaker 1>Leland of the Pirates used to rip SIGs in the

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<v Speaker 1>dugout and I remember it. It was the nineties where you'd

0:22:56.359 --> 0:22:59.159
<v Speaker 1>be like, used to smoke these like cigar cigarettes, and

0:22:59.200 --> 0:23:00.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, pretty cool.

0:23:01.880 --> 0:23:06.640
<v Speaker 2>Now now they're not supposed to have HBBA even chewing tobacco, said,

0:23:06.640 --> 0:23:07.200
<v Speaker 2>bubble gup.

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<v Speaker 1>The world has changed to the point of we would

0:23:10.160 --> 0:23:12.119
<v Speaker 1>use have a cup of coffee in the morning at

0:23:12.200 --> 0:23:15.600
<v Speaker 1>an afternoon game, rip some stags. Now they're all putting,

0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:18.399
<v Speaker 1>dipping and pretending it's bubble ishoes. You're like, yeah, we

0:23:18.480 --> 0:23:19.240
<v Speaker 1>still see.

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<v Speaker 2>It, guys, all right, well, that's sports with Jake and Brian.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see you next week.

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<v Speaker 1>Traffic on the nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's talk about you a little bit. Chicago. You

0:23:49.280 --> 0:23:54.040
<v Speaker 2>grew up there, now I heard read you know, we've

0:23:54.080 --> 0:23:57.359
<v Speaker 2>got an amazing research team here on off the beat.

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<v Speaker 2>You went to school for writing. Yeah, University of Iowa, which,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, I know this is no joke, a

0:24:05.040 --> 0:24:09.199
<v Speaker 2>excellent writing program. What's it called the I actually know.

0:24:09.280 --> 0:24:10.240
<v Speaker 2>I spent a summer there.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I mean I don't. I don't know if it's

0:24:12.800 --> 0:24:15.439
<v Speaker 1>ever the extual name of it. But the great writing

0:24:15.480 --> 0:24:20.440
<v Speaker 1>program was the graduate program. No, no, no, at uh

0:24:20.040 --> 0:24:23.560
<v Speaker 1>oh at Iowa. So then the undergrad had a good

0:24:23.600 --> 0:24:26.359
<v Speaker 1>ye were taught by the graduate students. But the graduate

0:24:26.520 --> 0:24:29.359
<v Speaker 1>creative writing program at Iowa, it is like, was like

0:24:29.440 --> 0:24:33.560
<v Speaker 1>we created novelists, you know, every year famous.

0:24:33.680 --> 0:24:38.800
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, So you wanted to be a writer, Yeah, yeah.

0:24:38.320 --> 0:24:40.440
<v Speaker 1>Well I started off. You know, we were talking a

0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:42.800
<v Speaker 1>little bit of this on ours. But like the pursuit

0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:45.399
<v Speaker 1>of acting, what it used to be, what the whole

0:24:45.440 --> 0:24:48.520
<v Speaker 1>goal was. I didn't have a way in to understand

0:24:48.520 --> 0:24:50.919
<v Speaker 1>what it was, or really what the goal was. I

0:24:50.920 --> 0:24:53.600
<v Speaker 1>grew up outside Chicago, so we had the second city.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Bill Murray and the Murray family was raised

0:24:57.119 --> 0:25:00.000
<v Speaker 1>in the town right next to ours, so everybody knew,

0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:03.760
<v Speaker 1>like where the Murray house was, the golf course. They

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<v Speaker 1>created Caddyshack out of John Cusack was from the same town.

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<v Speaker 1>So you had enough people who had broke through, but

0:25:11.560 --> 0:25:14.119
<v Speaker 1>I didn't quite have a clear path at it. And

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<v Speaker 1>then in high school plays kind of started, and it

0:25:17.400 --> 0:25:20.080
<v Speaker 1>was the beginning of like theater and then what's kind

0:25:20.080 --> 0:25:22.439
<v Speaker 1>of cool about theater? And that's when like the David

0:25:22.480 --> 0:25:26.080
<v Speaker 1>Mammets and the Sam Shepherds and the John Patrick Shanley's.

0:25:26.119 --> 0:25:28.560
<v Speaker 1>I started reading those plays and I just thought they

0:25:28.600 --> 0:25:32.600
<v Speaker 1>were so cool, and I thought I could write one

0:25:32.640 --> 0:25:35.720
<v Speaker 1>of these and do these. I can't write and do

0:25:35.880 --> 0:25:38.879
<v Speaker 1>TV or movies that felt too you got to go

0:25:38.880 --> 0:25:41.160
<v Speaker 1>to Hollywood and you need some producer in a big

0:25:41.200 --> 0:25:44.080
<v Speaker 1>studio to give you a bucket of cash, right, and

0:25:44.160 --> 0:25:46.240
<v Speaker 1>I could put on a play. And so I just

0:25:46.320 --> 0:25:49.520
<v Speaker 1>started writing plays, and then we were all putting them

0:25:49.560 --> 0:25:51.520
<v Speaker 1>on and that became the beginning of it.

0:25:52.160 --> 0:25:54.000
<v Speaker 2>What was performing of interest to you.

0:25:54.600 --> 0:25:59.840
<v Speaker 1>Always but always, but acting acting never really was okay.

0:26:00.119 --> 0:26:03.920
<v Speaker 1>So it was performing in terms of getting laughs and

0:26:04.080 --> 0:26:07.720
<v Speaker 1>getting the story out. But the dream of being like

0:26:07.760 --> 0:26:11.800
<v Speaker 1>a chameleon actor and doing Shakespeare in the Park and

0:26:11.960 --> 0:26:16.399
<v Speaker 1>the craft of acting was never as exciting as storytelling

0:26:16.440 --> 0:26:18.680
<v Speaker 1>and being in it and the energy of a crowd

0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:21.679
<v Speaker 1>and hitting a moment. So it felt like as I

0:26:21.680 --> 0:26:24.719
<v Speaker 1>got older and met more and more actor actors, I

0:26:24.800 --> 0:26:26.840
<v Speaker 1>was like, Oh, that's a different skill set you have

0:26:26.920 --> 0:26:29.720
<v Speaker 1>that I respect, But that was never my main passion.

0:26:30.560 --> 0:26:31.119
<v Speaker 2>Is it now?

0:26:31.520 --> 0:26:35.800
<v Speaker 1>No, it's still all the same. It's the I love

0:26:35.880 --> 0:26:39.560
<v Speaker 1>being in an ensemble. I love having when you were

0:26:39.600 --> 0:26:41.560
<v Speaker 1>talking about the office and you'd say, like, the people

0:26:41.680 --> 0:26:45.360
<v Speaker 1>near your seats you form bits with. I love finding

0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:48.960
<v Speaker 1>rhythms and bits, and I love being on a team

0:26:49.320 --> 0:26:51.439
<v Speaker 1>and feeling like as a goal, we're all trying to

0:26:51.480 --> 0:26:55.000
<v Speaker 1>hit this. But I never if I get sent scripts

0:26:55.440 --> 0:26:58.200
<v Speaker 1>and I'm thinking of taking a job, I never think

0:26:58.280 --> 0:27:00.280
<v Speaker 1>too much about the character. First. I think to the

0:27:00.320 --> 0:27:03.880
<v Speaker 1>whole project, the whole story, and everybody else around. I've

0:27:03.880 --> 0:27:06.080
<v Speaker 1>never had to talk with my agents of like, you know,

0:27:06.160 --> 0:27:11.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm interested in playing a serial killer. That's the last thought.

0:27:11.880 --> 0:27:14.679
<v Speaker 1>And it took me years to realize, like, oh, everybody

0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:17.080
<v Speaker 1>doesn't do it this way, right, I felt like, Oh,

0:27:17.080 --> 0:27:20.400
<v Speaker 1>because they're more pure actors and it's a different animal, right,

0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:23.159
<v Speaker 1>because you're you started off as an actor, act like

0:27:23.240 --> 0:27:25.040
<v Speaker 1>you were doing you were saying you were doing theater

0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:25.600
<v Speaker 1>in Minnesota.

0:27:25.680 --> 0:27:28.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're Yeah, we're totally different in that way. Yeah,

0:27:28.119 --> 0:27:31.480
<v Speaker 2>and so much so in fact that I yeah, even

0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:34.280
<v Speaker 2>the idea and you talk and I guess that that

0:27:34.320 --> 0:27:36.600
<v Speaker 2>makes a lot of sense. I mean, you know, when

0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:40.760
<v Speaker 2>you're a kid, then slightly older, Yeah, I mean Cusack,

0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:44.360
<v Speaker 2>Bill Murray and then the theater scene there in Chicago

0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:48.920
<v Speaker 2>with Steppenwolf and Shepherd and Mammot and all the guys

0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:53.680
<v Speaker 2>you mentioned, I guess maybe, and being in Chicago as well.

0:27:53.720 --> 0:27:57.040
<v Speaker 2>And now it's changed. You know. I grew up in Atlanta. Honestly,

0:27:57.440 --> 0:28:00.800
<v Speaker 2>the idea of movies and television and that it was

0:28:01.520 --> 0:28:05.120
<v Speaker 2>not there was not any no, it wasn't even like, oh,

0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:07.639
<v Speaker 2>I can't achieve it. I just didn't even think about it.

0:28:07.760 --> 0:28:08.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, totally.

0:28:08.440 --> 0:28:12.560
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't a part of my consciousness. I loved, yeah,

0:28:12.600 --> 0:28:15.679
<v Speaker 2>creating characters and thought that's what I would do in

0:28:15.720 --> 0:28:18.240
<v Speaker 2>the theater for the rest of my life. Yeah. Interesting,

0:28:19.240 --> 0:28:22.600
<v Speaker 2>I read you in New York. You went to NYU,

0:28:22.640 --> 0:28:25.119
<v Speaker 2>and you had a sketch comedy group called the Midwesterners

0:28:25.400 --> 0:28:28.280
<v Speaker 2>by the way, awesome name, thank you. Was that something

0:28:28.320 --> 0:28:31.199
<v Speaker 2>that was important for you and your development getting on

0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:32.480
<v Speaker 2>stage working with them.

0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:35.359
<v Speaker 1>So the Midwesterners we called ourself sketch comedy because we

0:28:35.400 --> 0:28:37.800
<v Speaker 1>didn't know what else to call it. Okay, at first

0:28:37.960 --> 0:28:41.480
<v Speaker 1>called it sketchy comedy because the beginning of it was

0:28:41.560 --> 0:28:44.960
<v Speaker 1>we were going to fringe festivals. We ended up at UCV,

0:28:45.600 --> 0:28:48.360
<v Speaker 1>but we weren't playing, and that wasn't the goal. The

0:28:48.440 --> 0:28:52.479
<v Speaker 1>goal was write a play, and the arc of the

0:28:52.520 --> 0:28:55.720
<v Speaker 1>play has a bunch of different characters who get you there,

0:28:56.200 --> 0:28:58.680
<v Speaker 1>and a bunch of small scenes, and me and him,

0:28:59.040 --> 0:29:01.680
<v Speaker 1>my buddy Oliver and I we're just playing all the characters.

0:29:02.280 --> 0:29:05.800
<v Speaker 1>So we viewed it more like a one act play,

0:29:05.960 --> 0:29:09.000
<v Speaker 1>that it was a thirty minute play with five scenes

0:29:09.080 --> 0:29:12.800
<v Speaker 1>or five little acts. And while we were doing it,

0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:14.680
<v Speaker 1>we would rent little theaters in the Lower East Side

0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:17.800
<v Speaker 1>of New York like Pink Pony or Collective Unconscious or

0:29:17.800 --> 0:29:20.520
<v Speaker 1>all these like cool little spots in the late nineties

0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:25.080
<v Speaker 1>or Surf Reality. And as we were putting it done,

0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:28.320
<v Speaker 1>our audience were friends of ours and friends of friends,

0:29:28.320 --> 0:29:30.080
<v Speaker 1>so it was a young group of people in their

0:29:30.120 --> 0:29:33.440
<v Speaker 1>early twenties, and we would do a scene that would

0:29:33.480 --> 0:29:36.080
<v Speaker 1>be heavy and everyone would hate it, and then we

0:29:36.120 --> 0:29:38.080
<v Speaker 1>would do a scene that was funny and everybody would

0:29:38.120 --> 0:29:39.520
<v Speaker 1>love it, and then we would all go to a

0:29:39.560 --> 0:29:42.800
<v Speaker 1>bar afterwards and you would hear the feedback. So with

0:29:42.960 --> 0:29:46.080
<v Speaker 1>each show it just got more and more and more comedic,

0:29:46.560 --> 0:29:49.560
<v Speaker 1>and it became what it was. And then somebody from

0:29:49.640 --> 0:29:52.720
<v Speaker 1>UCB saw it and gave us a run. And when

0:29:52.720 --> 0:29:54.840
<v Speaker 1>we were at UCB, we were like, oh, we are

0:29:54.960 --> 0:29:58.400
<v Speaker 1>just doing sketch sketch now because all the stuff that

0:29:58.560 --> 0:30:02.160
<v Speaker 1>used to work at a fringe festival that was celebrated there.

0:30:02.800 --> 0:30:05.560
<v Speaker 1>And that's a weird transition. A scene that might not

0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:08.960
<v Speaker 1>have as many jokes per page, but you're actually acting

0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:11.760
<v Speaker 1>a little bit, and you're creating moments, and you're creating tension,

0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:15.560
<v Speaker 1>and you're playing with the theater that wasn't as celebrated

0:30:15.920 --> 0:30:18.680
<v Speaker 1>UCB was. It's funny, those are good characters. How many

0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:21.440
<v Speaker 1>jokes can you get? And so that we kind of

0:30:21.440 --> 0:30:24.640
<v Speaker 1>were changing what we were doing with the audience.

0:30:25.240 --> 0:30:27.840
<v Speaker 2>But it's very interesting in a way. I mean, this

0:30:27.960 --> 0:30:30.800
<v Speaker 2>is probably reductive to what you were trying to accomplish.

0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:34.640
<v Speaker 2>But if you think about I don't know a lot

0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:39.800
<v Speaker 2>of Tarantino's work. I mean, there's others where it feels

0:30:40.000 --> 0:30:43.040
<v Speaker 2>like I've never talked to him specifically about how he

0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:47.920
<v Speaker 2>constructs an overall movie. But the idea of creating sort

0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:52.720
<v Speaker 2>of set pieces, right, a set piece meaning like I'm

0:30:52.920 --> 0:30:56.240
<v Speaker 2>speaking for some people listening, like a set piece might

0:30:56.360 --> 0:31:00.960
<v Speaker 2>be an extended scene that exists. And then I feel

0:31:00.960 --> 0:31:03.080
<v Speaker 2>like what a lot of people attempt to do is

0:31:03.320 --> 0:31:07.200
<v Speaker 2>find that connective tissue which brings you from scene to scene.

0:31:07.360 --> 0:31:11.520
<v Speaker 2>But there's something almost yeah, like some of Tarantino's work

0:31:11.560 --> 0:31:15.280
<v Speaker 2>where it's just like, Nope, that's the scene. Yeah, and

0:31:15.320 --> 0:31:18.840
<v Speaker 2>then the next one is something totally different with totally

0:31:18.840 --> 0:31:22.200
<v Speaker 2>different characters. And then by the time we get to

0:31:22.240 --> 0:31:26.400
<v Speaker 2>the end, we've got some callbacks, we've got some references

0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:30.000
<v Speaker 2>to that. That's a very interesting way to me of

0:31:30.040 --> 0:31:31.400
<v Speaker 2>creating a piece of theater.

0:31:31.840 --> 0:31:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well it was also we were really young, was

0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:37.440
<v Speaker 1>also really excited, and it was very inexpensive because we

0:31:37.440 --> 0:31:41.400
<v Speaker 1>weren't building sets right, So the whole changes were the

0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:46.520
<v Speaker 1>small costumes we put on and our performances. But I

0:31:46.520 --> 0:31:48.600
<v Speaker 1>think my buddy who ended up going to Berlin to

0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:51.480
<v Speaker 1>do a Kenneth Laundergren play and I ended up going

0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:55.920
<v Speaker 1>out to LA. Was we realized we were loving different stuff, okay,

0:31:56.480 --> 0:31:59.600
<v Speaker 1>And what I was loving is we can create something

0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:03.360
<v Speaker 1>that can affect this audience, and we as like a room,

0:32:03.520 --> 0:32:07.080
<v Speaker 1>are one thing and we all kind of it all

0:32:07.160 --> 0:32:10.880
<v Speaker 1>peaked at this one moment together. But the details of

0:32:10.920 --> 0:32:14.480
<v Speaker 1>how we got there, I think are interchangeable. And so

0:32:15.480 --> 0:32:17.760
<v Speaker 1>to me, the meat and potatoes and the thing that

0:32:17.880 --> 0:32:21.400
<v Speaker 1>was really exciting was not like I entered this character

0:32:21.480 --> 0:32:25.440
<v Speaker 1>and I lost myself and I really understood what we

0:32:25.440 --> 0:32:28.320
<v Speaker 1>were trying to say by doing the same thing over

0:32:28.360 --> 0:32:30.560
<v Speaker 1>and over and really nailing it, which I see the

0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:33.239
<v Speaker 1>art and I think it's really cool. To me is

0:32:33.800 --> 0:32:36.640
<v Speaker 1>it was? There was a weird magic in this room

0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:40.240
<v Speaker 1>and everything went a little different than expected and we

0:32:40.280 --> 0:32:43.400
<v Speaker 1>didn't even know, but they were part of it too, right,

0:32:43.600 --> 0:32:47.040
<v Speaker 1>Ben finishes and You're like, wow, that was I was like, Oh,

0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:48.560
<v Speaker 1>that's what I got addicted to.

0:32:49.160 --> 0:32:53.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you moved to LA and you were working as

0:32:53.600 --> 0:32:58.360
<v Speaker 2>a writer and a PA. Yeah were you pursuing writing? Yes?

0:32:58.400 --> 0:33:00.160
<v Speaker 1>So when I what, I moved out so I I'd

0:33:00.200 --> 0:33:04.200
<v Speaker 1>done a my buddy Bill and I. We'd created a

0:33:04.280 --> 0:33:07.880
<v Speaker 1>low budget documentary type thing. It was two thousand and three,

0:33:08.000 --> 0:33:11.479
<v Speaker 1>so it's kind of before the reality TV explosion. What

0:33:11.520 --> 0:33:13.680
<v Speaker 1>we had created was just a reality show. We just

0:33:13.680 --> 0:33:17.320
<v Speaker 1>didn't know it. I'd gotten some money from a random

0:33:17.320 --> 0:33:19.719
<v Speaker 1>guy in Oklahoma. I was there writing a script with somebody,

0:33:19.720 --> 0:33:22.040
<v Speaker 1>and the guy, my writing partner's uncle, took us out

0:33:22.080 --> 0:33:24.280
<v Speaker 1>and he was just flexing on us all night about

0:33:24.280 --> 0:33:26.600
<v Speaker 1>how rich he was, how successful he was, and how

0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:28.880
<v Speaker 1>we have to work harder and just not like smoke

0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:31.120
<v Speaker 1>weed and drink beer pretend to be writers.

0:33:31.920 --> 0:33:32.040
<v Speaker 2>Like.

0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:34.280
<v Speaker 1>Because he was buying the dinner, we had to take it.

0:33:34.760 --> 0:33:36.840
<v Speaker 1>But at one point I said to him, well, I've

0:33:36.880 --> 0:33:39.520
<v Speaker 1>gone a project. That's all set, we just don't have money,

0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:42.640
<v Speaker 1>and I kind of improvised pitch to him an idea

0:33:42.880 --> 0:33:45.200
<v Speaker 1>called Project Joke. And the reason it was called Project

0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Joke was because the whole thing was a joke. I

0:33:47.240 --> 0:33:49.360
<v Speaker 1>was making it up as I went. But that is

0:33:49.480 --> 0:33:52.200
<v Speaker 1>Bill and I were going to travel the Midwest and

0:33:52.240 --> 0:33:54.640
<v Speaker 1>we were going to write a sketch show as we went,

0:33:55.160 --> 0:33:57.200
<v Speaker 1>And so every night we were going to perform in

0:33:57.280 --> 0:33:59.720
<v Speaker 1>a different venue, either a sketch venue or a stand

0:33:59.760 --> 0:34:02.320
<v Speaker 1>up you. We were going to interview people of what

0:34:02.400 --> 0:34:04.240
<v Speaker 1>they wanted in the sketch show, and then on the

0:34:04.440 --> 0:34:07.880
<v Speaker 1>last day, we were going to perform in Chicago to

0:34:07.920 --> 0:34:10.960
<v Speaker 1>a sold out audience, and you were going to see

0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:12.640
<v Speaker 1>how a show is written, and you were going to

0:34:12.680 --> 0:34:15.560
<v Speaker 1>feel how much an audience at the Funny Bone in

0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:21.000
<v Speaker 1>Omaha hates us because they did. And you know, Jerry

0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:23.239
<v Speaker 1>Seinfeld did Comedian where he was showing what it's like

0:34:23.320 --> 0:34:25.640
<v Speaker 1>on the road, but he was Seinfeld. And when you

0:34:25.680 --> 0:34:29.319
<v Speaker 1>were totally unknown, audiences hate you in a different way, right,

0:34:29.719 --> 0:34:33.919
<v Speaker 1>and audiences hated me. And I was like, I would

0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:35.680
<v Speaker 1>go up there and I would try something new. If

0:34:35.680 --> 0:34:37.600
<v Speaker 1>you did something you knew was going to work, they

0:34:37.760 --> 0:34:41.799
<v Speaker 1>liked you. But once you start failing and you're you know,

0:34:41.880 --> 0:34:44.200
<v Speaker 1>you keep pushing, they hate you for it. And I

0:34:44.239 --> 0:34:47.799
<v Speaker 1>get it. And so he said, what do you need

0:34:47.840 --> 0:34:50.480
<v Speaker 1>to make this happen? And I said, our budget's ten

0:34:50.560 --> 0:34:52.480
<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars and he wrote me a check for ten

0:34:52.520 --> 0:34:54.840
<v Speaker 1>grand and so I kind.

0:34:54.680 --> 0:34:57.520
<v Speaker 2>Of at least said twenty if.

0:34:57.440 --> 0:35:00.920
<v Speaker 1>I honestly, Brian, I had no idea about budgets. I

0:35:00.920 --> 0:35:02.400
<v Speaker 1>had no concept of money.

0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:04.240
<v Speaker 2>I could have had a hot house and to travel

0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:05.760
<v Speaker 2>the Midwest. That seems slow.

0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:10.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, whoa it was. It was a very uncomfortable trip. Yeah,

0:35:10.280 --> 0:35:14.040
<v Speaker 1>it was very poorly planned. So anyway, we went and

0:35:14.040 --> 0:35:16.640
<v Speaker 1>we did the trip, and we performed every night. We

0:35:16.680 --> 0:35:19.720
<v Speaker 1>interviewed like the mayor of Saint Paul, We interviewed kids,

0:35:20.200 --> 0:35:22.640
<v Speaker 1>We went to a library, and like, we did everything

0:35:22.640 --> 0:35:24.600
<v Speaker 1>we could to make it happen. And I moved out

0:35:24.640 --> 0:35:27.759
<v Speaker 1>to LA with the raw footage of that, hoping to

0:35:27.800 --> 0:35:31.640
<v Speaker 1>find an editor, hoping to like make it work and

0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:34.920
<v Speaker 1>have Round Howard by it and say, wait a second,

0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:39.080
<v Speaker 1>you're a star kid. This isn't project joke, this is

0:35:39.120 --> 0:35:43.440
<v Speaker 1>project Hollywood. You're and you know it didn't happen, But

0:35:43.520 --> 0:35:45.600
<v Speaker 1>I like met a group of friends who I then

0:35:45.719 --> 0:35:48.600
<v Speaker 1>ended up working with the people I showed the stuff too.

0:35:48.640 --> 0:35:50.600
<v Speaker 1>We ended up writing a show that we sold that

0:35:50.760 --> 0:35:54.320
<v Speaker 1>new show to NBC. Then I got agents and managers

0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:57.200
<v Speaker 1>and started acting. And then the writing kind of faded

0:35:57.440 --> 0:36:01.280
<v Speaker 1>with the acting jobs because actings faster, you get paid

0:36:01.280 --> 0:36:01.560
<v Speaker 1>a lot.

0:36:01.800 --> 0:36:07.120
<v Speaker 2>It works. Has anyone seen this? No? It's still is

0:36:07.160 --> 0:36:08.800
<v Speaker 2>it sitting unedited? Still?

0:36:09.040 --> 0:36:11.720
<v Speaker 1>You know? I had I had edited like a forty

0:36:11.800 --> 0:36:15.120
<v Speaker 1>minute version of it at one point, and then the

0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:17.720
<v Speaker 1>tapes which were those like you know those old school

0:36:17.719 --> 0:36:20.239
<v Speaker 1>little Cassetts, they were.

0:36:20.280 --> 0:36:22.320
<v Speaker 2>In shell out whether garage.

0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:26.520
<v Speaker 1>Well, I said, yeah, something happened with them. Where my

0:36:26.600 --> 0:36:28.359
<v Speaker 1>buddy And after I got a new girl, I had

0:36:28.400 --> 0:36:30.200
<v Speaker 1>some money and I called my buddy and I'm like,

0:36:30.320 --> 0:36:33.040
<v Speaker 1>let's just hire someone to cut it together. And we

0:36:33.040 --> 0:36:35.560
<v Speaker 1>were in touch with somebody, and then there was something

0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:38.719
<v Speaker 1>that was happening where the footage was didn't melt, but

0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:41.400
<v Speaker 1>like they were having a hard time converting it, and

0:36:41.440 --> 0:36:44.000
<v Speaker 1>my buddy wasn't passionate about it, and I thought like,

0:36:44.520 --> 0:36:47.640
<v Speaker 1>why am I still beating this weird drum? What am I?

0:36:47.719 --> 0:36:51.360
<v Speaker 1>What's my point? What's my goal here? I'm the only

0:36:51.400 --> 0:36:55.480
<v Speaker 1>one going like wait a second. I was like, haven't

0:36:55.520 --> 0:36:57.040
<v Speaker 1>I done that enough in my life?

0:36:57.560 --> 0:37:00.120
<v Speaker 2>Eventually you got a role on Derek and Simon in

0:37:00.160 --> 0:37:05.000
<v Speaker 2>the show Director Pirk by Bob Odenkirk. Now I understand

0:37:05.000 --> 0:37:10.000
<v Speaker 2>The Midwesterners was inspired in part by Bob and David

0:37:10.000 --> 0:37:14.520
<v Speaker 2>Cross's show, Mister Show. Was that just then amazing to

0:37:14.560 --> 0:37:16.200
<v Speaker 2>be able to work with him on that.

0:37:16.480 --> 0:37:18.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So that started. When I moved to LA I

0:37:19.120 --> 0:37:21.360
<v Speaker 1>was at the Lost Palmas and Hollywood right by, like

0:37:21.440 --> 0:37:22.840
<v Speaker 1>the old cat in the Fiddle.

0:37:23.160 --> 0:37:23.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah.

0:37:23.880 --> 0:37:25.480
<v Speaker 1>I was living with a roommate and there was a

0:37:25.520 --> 0:37:30.080
<v Speaker 1>guy in the building who was just a legend and

0:37:30.560 --> 0:37:34.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, six foot six, three hundred pounds, always wore

0:37:34.120 --> 0:37:38.960
<v Speaker 1>a fridge. Jersey was driving an old Seabring convertible and

0:37:39.200 --> 0:37:41.759
<v Speaker 1>just ran that place. And he came knocking on my

0:37:41.800 --> 0:37:44.360
<v Speaker 1>door one day and was like, hey, man, want to

0:37:44.360 --> 0:37:46.480
<v Speaker 1>take some pills and go get some Hamburgers. And I'm like,

0:37:47.000 --> 0:37:49.359
<v Speaker 1>I do. And that guy turned out to be the

0:37:49.400 --> 0:37:55.040
<v Speaker 1>great actor Eric Edelstein, and so wow, Instantly I was like,

0:37:55.400 --> 0:37:57.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm just in his car. We're driving around in some

0:37:57.680 --> 0:38:01.319
<v Speaker 1>convertible and he's telling a million stories. He won his

0:38:01.400 --> 0:38:04.680
<v Speaker 1>car on a game show. He was hosting something for

0:38:04.800 --> 0:38:07.160
<v Speaker 1>some TBS show where he's like, I'll buy you shirts, man,

0:38:07.200 --> 0:38:08.880
<v Speaker 1>I got money, and I was like, you're the funniest

0:38:08.880 --> 0:38:09.760
<v Speaker 1>guy I've ever read.

0:38:09.920 --> 0:38:10.560
<v Speaker 2>I love you.

0:38:11.760 --> 0:38:14.920
<v Speaker 1>And he and I started deciding to do a show together,

0:38:14.960 --> 0:38:16.840
<v Speaker 1>which we ended up doing called This is My Friend,

0:38:17.400 --> 0:38:19.520
<v Speaker 1>and he was in a crew and in that crew,

0:38:20.080 --> 0:38:22.640
<v Speaker 1>Derek Waters was in it, Simon Helberg was in it,

0:38:23.120 --> 0:38:26.239
<v Speaker 1>and they were all at the Second City. Okay, through Eric,

0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:28.600
<v Speaker 1>that group came in and Derek put me in that,

0:38:28.680 --> 0:38:30.440
<v Speaker 1>I think because I was Eric's buddy.

0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:37.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, you mentioned Waters. Is this true? You were the muse,

0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:39.760
<v Speaker 2>you were the inspiration behind drunk History.

0:38:40.040 --> 0:38:43.759
<v Speaker 1>Yes, oh my god. Yeah, but josephs mused is the

0:38:43.840 --> 0:38:47.560
<v Speaker 1>right word, Brian, because it's not you know who was

0:38:47.600 --> 0:38:50.640
<v Speaker 1>that woman who said, h Dana Fox, who was the

0:38:50.719 --> 0:38:54.399
<v Speaker 1>muse for uh that great like me where she said

0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:58.759
<v Speaker 1>she was the muse for uncut gems? Right, and you

0:38:58.920 --> 0:39:02.799
<v Speaker 1>know you're like, but you weren't in the creative discussion, right,

0:39:02.840 --> 0:39:07.759
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't partners. You guys were maybe hanging. I was

0:39:07.800 --> 0:39:10.080
<v Speaker 1>the equivalent of that. I just got drunk and told

0:39:10.080 --> 0:39:12.720
<v Speaker 1>a long winded story and Derek thought of the whole

0:39:12.719 --> 0:39:13.880
<v Speaker 1>show as I was talking.

0:39:14.200 --> 0:39:15.320
<v Speaker 2>That's and that's true.

0:39:15.800 --> 0:39:16.120
<v Speaker 1>We were.

0:39:16.239 --> 0:39:19.239
<v Speaker 2>It was about Otis Redding's death, yes, which, by the

0:39:19.239 --> 0:39:22.040
<v Speaker 2>way I looked this morning at what his death was,

0:39:22.080 --> 0:39:23.959
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't seem that complicated.

0:39:24.440 --> 0:39:25.680
<v Speaker 1>It was a fine crash.

0:39:26.520 --> 0:39:28.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So that's kind of it. Right.

0:39:29.920 --> 0:39:32.400
<v Speaker 1>So the story I heard from the same guy Bill,

0:39:32.560 --> 0:39:35.960
<v Speaker 1>who I did project joke with. Okay, when we were

0:39:35.960 --> 0:39:38.960
<v Speaker 1>growing up in the nineties, pre internet, which means a

0:39:38.960 --> 0:39:41.960
<v Speaker 1>good story, you're not going to the library and looking

0:39:42.000 --> 0:39:43.880
<v Speaker 1>it up. You trust the narrator.

0:39:44.360 --> 0:39:46.719
<v Speaker 2>Okay, this is a it's a conspiracy theory.

0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:49.319
<v Speaker 1>St Well, these days we would call it that. Back

0:39:49.320 --> 0:39:51.080
<v Speaker 1>in the day, it would just be totally called a

0:39:51.120 --> 0:39:55.760
<v Speaker 1>great story. Okay, you remember when conspiracy theories were cool.

0:39:56.160 --> 0:40:01.000
<v Speaker 1>I do. Now it's different. They used to be cool.

0:40:04.560 --> 0:40:07.759
<v Speaker 1>But he told me the story when I was growing up,

0:40:08.280 --> 0:40:10.600
<v Speaker 1>and that is Otis Redding and his wife used to

0:40:10.680 --> 0:40:13.680
<v Speaker 1>write the songs together. She wasn't very credited because it

0:40:13.760 --> 0:40:17.040
<v Speaker 1>was back in the day, and you know, the sexism

0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:19.799
<v Speaker 1>or what have you. The day he died, they were

0:40:19.880 --> 0:40:23.800
<v Speaker 1>driving to the airport. She drops him off. He gets

0:40:23.800 --> 0:40:26.160
<v Speaker 1>out of the car, he stops, He comes back out,

0:40:26.160 --> 0:40:28.480
<v Speaker 1>and he says, promise me, no matter what happens, you'll

0:40:28.480 --> 0:40:32.000
<v Speaker 1>always be true. She goes, you're crazy. He says, promise me.

0:40:32.160 --> 0:40:34.040
<v Speaker 1>They do, They give each other a big kiss. He

0:40:34.080 --> 0:40:37.680
<v Speaker 1>gets on the plane. He dies. I told that story

0:40:37.840 --> 0:40:41.040
<v Speaker 1>and with the alcohol, it took forty five minutes, and

0:40:41.040 --> 0:40:46.600
<v Speaker 1>I was doing everybody's voices. And the way Derek was

0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:49.799
<v Speaker 1>looking at me during it, my thought was his mind

0:40:49.880 --> 0:40:55.200
<v Speaker 1>is just blown by a great American storyteller, an all

0:40:55.320 --> 0:40:59.640
<v Speaker 1>time banger. And that wasn't the case he had imagined.

0:41:00.320 --> 0:41:03.400
<v Speaker 1>As I was telling it, Otis reading standing behind me,

0:41:04.400 --> 0:41:08.560
<v Speaker 1>going like, man, would you shut the fuck? None of

0:41:08.600 --> 0:41:13.160
<v Speaker 1>them happened you drunk? So he said, can I The

0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:15.560
<v Speaker 1>next day he called and he said, can I come

0:41:15.640 --> 0:41:19.560
<v Speaker 1>over with Jeremy Connor, another friend of ours, and can

0:41:19.600 --> 0:41:22.680
<v Speaker 1>we get you drunk and film you telling that story?

0:41:23.440 --> 0:41:29.200
<v Speaker 1>And I said why.

0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:35.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, no, no, you said absolutely, why of course?

0:41:36.400 --> 0:41:39.040
<v Speaker 1>And then the dust settled of them, of course, And

0:41:39.120 --> 0:41:41.640
<v Speaker 1>I said why and he said, because I want to

0:41:41.640 --> 0:41:45.759
<v Speaker 1>get actors to reenact it, and I want Otis to

0:41:45.800 --> 0:41:47.839
<v Speaker 1>be in the room with you and whenever you lie

0:41:47.880 --> 0:41:50.920
<v Speaker 1>and like look at camera. And then at the time

0:41:51.120 --> 0:41:54.600
<v Speaker 1>I was a commercial actor, did you start doing commercials

0:41:54.640 --> 0:41:56.719
<v Speaker 1>with your career? No, you just started booking because you

0:41:56.719 --> 0:41:57.320
<v Speaker 1>were doing theater.

0:41:57.719 --> 0:41:59.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I did the commercial thing. You did the

0:41:59.440 --> 0:42:01.960
<v Speaker 2>commercials I mean, I mean when I when I finally

0:42:01.960 --> 0:42:03.239
<v Speaker 2>moved to LA so we.

0:42:03.320 --> 0:42:07.280
<v Speaker 1>Do that run and getting the auditions are so important.

0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:11.120
<v Speaker 1>Having your commercial agent think like now that's a good actor.

0:42:11.640 --> 0:42:16.160
<v Speaker 1>That really matters, right right. What I think about my

0:42:16.200 --> 0:42:19.719
<v Speaker 1>commercial agent thinking is like this guy who's not in

0:42:19.800 --> 0:42:25.200
<v Speaker 1>the union is for sure a drunk hobo. I'm like, no,

0:42:25.680 --> 0:42:27.800
<v Speaker 1>you got to think of me as like a serious

0:42:27.880 --> 0:42:30.480
<v Speaker 1>actor who's not getting black out drunk on a Tuesday

0:42:30.480 --> 0:42:32.400
<v Speaker 1>and line about it is reading.

0:42:32.360 --> 0:42:35.880
<v Speaker 2>In the morning in the morning on a Tuesday.

0:42:37.160 --> 0:42:39.640
<v Speaker 1>I was like, no, no, no, I'm professional. I will be

0:42:39.920 --> 0:42:43.799
<v Speaker 1>at that TJ Max commercial at eight am, right, I'm reliable.

0:42:44.480 --> 0:42:46.600
<v Speaker 1>I told Derek. I was like, no, man, I'm not

0:42:46.640 --> 0:42:48.960
<v Speaker 1>your guy. And then he was like, ah, come on.

0:42:49.120 --> 0:42:52.239
<v Speaker 1>I was like, no, I can't get drunk on a video, man.

0:42:53.040 --> 0:42:55.880
<v Speaker 1>And then he got another one of our friends, Mark

0:42:56.000 --> 0:42:57.640
<v Speaker 1>to do it and then called me up and said,

0:42:57.680 --> 0:43:00.600
<v Speaker 1>will you be in it and play Aaron or with

0:43:00.760 --> 0:43:03.200
<v Speaker 1>Mike Sarah and Mike Sarah At the day it was

0:43:03.239 --> 0:43:06.280
<v Speaker 1>pretty super bad. He was just in our group as well,

0:43:06.440 --> 0:43:08.600
<v Speaker 1>and he and I did the first one together where

0:43:08.640 --> 0:43:10.919
<v Speaker 1>we did like a duel, and then that one blew

0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:14.640
<v Speaker 1>up on YouTube and Derek got really started wow, you know,

0:43:14.760 --> 0:43:16.319
<v Speaker 1>and it was fun to watch it. Derek is such

0:43:16.360 --> 0:43:20.200
<v Speaker 1>a fun ideas guy, so to this day, whenever he calls,

0:43:20.520 --> 0:43:24.359
<v Speaker 1>he'll pitch like five ideas and one of them I'm like, Derek,

0:43:24.400 --> 0:43:26.759
<v Speaker 1>that's one of the best ideas I've heard. Man, he

0:43:26.960 --> 0:43:27.799
<v Speaker 1>still got it.

0:43:46.800 --> 0:43:48.120
<v Speaker 2>We got to talk about New Girl.

0:43:48.520 --> 0:43:48.759
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

0:43:48.920 --> 0:43:52.920
<v Speaker 2>Now you had worked with Elizabeth Merriweather on film No

0:43:53.000 --> 0:43:57.719
<v Speaker 2>Strings Attached. Did she approach you about this or was

0:43:57.760 --> 0:43:59.719
<v Speaker 2>this like a straight audition situation?

0:44:00.239 --> 0:44:02.680
<v Speaker 1>You know we had. I don't remember the origins. I

0:44:02.719 --> 0:44:06.680
<v Speaker 1>think she was working with Max Winkler on a movie

0:44:07.280 --> 0:44:10.440
<v Speaker 1>because he and I had done a movie called Ceremony together.

0:44:11.200 --> 0:44:14.600
<v Speaker 1>And I believe she was with Max and had seen

0:44:14.640 --> 0:44:20.080
<v Speaker 1>either Daois or something, because when uh, No Strings Attached

0:44:20.120 --> 0:44:24.280
<v Speaker 1>came along, I was auditioning for it with Ivan, rightman,

0:44:25.040 --> 0:44:27.640
<v Speaker 1>and she you know, when somebody in the room wants

0:44:27.680 --> 0:44:31.439
<v Speaker 1>you yes, Ivan for sure was not sure.

0:44:33.760 --> 0:44:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:44:34.080 --> 0:44:39.640
<v Speaker 1>Ivan wasn't like that's my guy. He was like, Okay,

0:44:39.920 --> 0:44:41.959
<v Speaker 1>the people in here think he's the guy.

0:44:43.040 --> 0:44:43.279
<v Speaker 2>You do.

0:44:45.880 --> 0:44:50.640
<v Speaker 1>It again with less of your instincts. Is there any

0:44:50.640 --> 0:44:52.680
<v Speaker 1>way to do that with a different voice and a

0:44:52.680 --> 0:44:53.320
<v Speaker 1>different face.

0:44:55.960 --> 0:44:58.960
<v Speaker 2>Let me walk you through a bit by moment by moment,

0:44:59.000 --> 0:45:00.840
<v Speaker 2>how I want you to say every word?

0:45:01.200 --> 0:45:03.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think you're great, I'm happy you're here. I'm

0:45:03.760 --> 0:45:07.479
<v Speaker 1>trying to go like that, and I'm gonna have somebody

0:45:07.480 --> 0:45:12.120
<v Speaker 1>else do it. In ADR, but Liz was the big

0:45:12.200 --> 0:45:15.040
<v Speaker 1>champion for me. Okay, so when we did that movie,

0:45:15.160 --> 0:45:17.360
<v Speaker 1>she and I had a lot of fun and she's brilliant.

0:45:17.560 --> 0:45:20.920
<v Speaker 1>She's so funny. And what I love the most about her,

0:45:20.960 --> 0:45:24.879
<v Speaker 1>going back to the Midwesterners, is I like knowing what

0:45:24.920 --> 0:45:28.759
<v Speaker 1>the audience is. Some artists actors are really pure and

0:45:28.800 --> 0:45:31.120
<v Speaker 1>they do not think of the audience, and if they

0:45:31.160 --> 0:45:33.480
<v Speaker 1>think about the audience, they think that makes them hack.

0:45:34.120 --> 0:45:36.800
<v Speaker 1>They're just thinking about what they're doing and they really

0:45:36.920 --> 0:45:40.400
<v Speaker 1>hope the audience connects. I don't feel that way. I

0:45:40.520 --> 0:45:44.200
<v Speaker 1>like thinking about the audience. I like knowing where the

0:45:44.320 --> 0:45:46.880
<v Speaker 1>zone is. And the beauty of Liz for me is

0:45:46.920 --> 0:45:51.319
<v Speaker 1>she is such a clear, confident sense of humor that

0:45:51.560 --> 0:45:54.520
<v Speaker 1>she knows exactly what she likes and when she gets it,

0:45:54.600 --> 0:45:58.080
<v Speaker 1>she laughs right. So I was like, I don't know

0:45:58.200 --> 0:46:01.120
<v Speaker 1>exactly what the point of this scene is, what the

0:46:01.160 --> 0:46:04.000
<v Speaker 1>director wants, what the producer wants with paramounts, I don't

0:46:04.080 --> 0:46:07.080
<v Speaker 1>know all those answers, but I really want Liz to

0:46:07.160 --> 0:46:10.640
<v Speaker 1>be happy. And so when Liz and I would find

0:46:10.640 --> 0:46:12.880
<v Speaker 1>a group, she and I could text each other pitches

0:46:13.440 --> 0:46:15.560
<v Speaker 1>and she would say something like really funny. She was like,

0:46:15.600 --> 0:46:17.160
<v Speaker 1>I was really hoping there was gonna be like whale

0:46:17.280 --> 0:46:20.840
<v Speaker 1>sounds during the sex scene. I'd be like, you're insane,

0:46:21.120 --> 0:46:25.080
<v Speaker 1>but everything became we became buds. And so when that

0:46:25.200 --> 0:46:28.680
<v Speaker 1>movie opened, Fox picked up a new girl, which was

0:46:28.680 --> 0:46:31.880
<v Speaker 1>called Chicks and Dicks at the time, and she said,

0:46:32.360 --> 0:46:36.160
<v Speaker 1>I can't offer it to you per the networking studio,

0:46:36.520 --> 0:46:38.879
<v Speaker 1>but if you'd be willing to audition, I would love

0:46:38.880 --> 0:46:40.200
<v Speaker 1>you to do it. We'd love to talk to you

0:46:40.200 --> 0:46:42.960
<v Speaker 1>about it. And so she was a real champion and

0:46:43.040 --> 0:46:46.720
<v Speaker 1>really helped nice. Yeah, really quick to you though, how'd

0:46:46.719 --> 0:46:48.840
<v Speaker 1>the walk me through the office again?

0:46:50.360 --> 0:46:54.320
<v Speaker 2>Well, I just landed into town. My line was, I

0:46:54.400 --> 0:46:56.920
<v Speaker 2>mean I identified the show. I was a fan of

0:46:56.960 --> 0:46:59.960
<v Speaker 2>the British version. I knew the sensibility. I got it,

0:47:00.600 --> 0:47:03.680
<v Speaker 2>and I said, they're looking for unknown people. And my

0:47:03.840 --> 0:47:07.640
<v Speaker 2>agent at the time her line to me was, well,

0:47:07.640 --> 0:47:14.840
<v Speaker 2>they're looking for unknown people, but not you unknown, not

0:47:15.920 --> 0:47:23.400
<v Speaker 2>like like not totally unknown. And now, of course I

0:47:23.440 --> 0:47:25.960
<v Speaker 2>totally know. At the time, I was like, what are

0:47:25.960 --> 0:47:28.600
<v Speaker 2>you talking? Now I get it. It's like they were

0:47:28.640 --> 0:47:32.600
<v Speaker 2>looking for you know, I don't even know if it's

0:47:32.600 --> 0:47:35.360
<v Speaker 2>true about him or not or whatever, but like Keckner

0:47:35.560 --> 0:47:38.920
<v Speaker 2>or someone like who had been in a thousand times

0:47:38.960 --> 0:47:42.600
<v Speaker 2>and just hadn't landed something that nobody in America knew

0:47:42.640 --> 0:47:46.560
<v Speaker 2>who they were, but there was like there fan base

0:47:46.760 --> 0:47:48.880
<v Speaker 2>in the Yeah, exactly do.

0:47:48.920 --> 0:47:51.600
<v Speaker 1>You remember who you do? You remember who you were

0:47:51.600 --> 0:47:52.720
<v Speaker 1>going against?

0:47:53.360 --> 0:47:59.959
<v Speaker 2>I do. That's another So when Steve left the show,

0:48:00.000 --> 0:48:03.960
<v Speaker 2>Neilson Jones, casting director, came to me, I'll never forget

0:48:03.960 --> 0:48:07.560
<v Speaker 2>this and said, so, I've been looking. She keeps everything.

0:48:07.840 --> 0:48:10.600
<v Speaker 2>She's like a pack rat in the greatest way, like

0:48:10.840 --> 0:48:13.880
<v Speaker 2>every piece of paper that's ever been written on sign

0:48:13.920 --> 0:48:16.640
<v Speaker 2>in sheets, all that, And she said, I was looking

0:48:16.680 --> 0:48:20.040
<v Speaker 2>for something to give to Steve, like from the audition.

0:48:20.360 --> 0:48:22.560
<v Speaker 2>I didn't really find anything, but I thought you would

0:48:22.600 --> 0:48:24.759
<v Speaker 2>be interested in this and it was just a singular

0:48:25.320 --> 0:48:28.160
<v Speaker 2>piece of paper. I still haven't And there were three

0:48:28.280 --> 0:48:36.920
<v Speaker 2>names Mine, Eric stone Street, and Jorge Garcia interesting, so

0:48:37.200 --> 0:48:40.080
<v Speaker 2>it kind of worked out for everybody, which is why

0:48:40.120 --> 0:48:41.279
<v Speaker 2>it's a good story to tell.

0:48:41.600 --> 0:48:45.760
<v Speaker 1>It's a great story. Yeah, but that's those are really

0:48:45.800 --> 0:48:47.120
<v Speaker 1>an interesting three.

0:48:47.719 --> 0:48:50.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which would have been all would have been totally different.

0:48:50.640 --> 0:48:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but also totally it would have been a totally different.

0:48:52.719 --> 0:48:57.560
<v Speaker 2>Show totally, And that's a good example of like, in

0:48:57.880 --> 0:49:01.520
<v Speaker 2>our world of acting, it's not all like who's the best,

0:49:01.840 --> 0:49:05.239
<v Speaker 2>it's like who offers something that fits kind of what

0:49:05.239 --> 0:49:08.040
<v Speaker 2>we were talking about before, It fits into this ensemble

0:49:08.080 --> 0:49:09.279
<v Speaker 2>in a specific Well, that's what.

0:49:09.719 --> 0:49:11.760
<v Speaker 1>I was loving the most about when you were telling

0:49:11.760 --> 0:49:14.600
<v Speaker 1>me on Mine about the insider baseball of doing those

0:49:14.640 --> 0:49:16.799
<v Speaker 1>bits together. Because if you go back to New Girl,

0:49:16.840 --> 0:49:18.760
<v Speaker 1>once it kind of started and we started to build

0:49:18.760 --> 0:49:21.000
<v Speaker 1>a little bit early on, we were still trying to

0:49:21.000 --> 0:49:24.080
<v Speaker 1>figure out what it was right, and then they're just

0:49:24.200 --> 0:49:27.160
<v Speaker 1>we had we did such long hours, which you guys said,

0:49:27.160 --> 0:49:30.080
<v Speaker 1>you guys did too, Yeah, that we were always there.

0:49:30.840 --> 0:49:34.560
<v Speaker 1>I can pretend to be a professional actor who's serious

0:49:34.640 --> 0:49:38.480
<v Speaker 1>and ready to be there. I can do like nine hours.

0:49:38.960 --> 0:49:41.840
<v Speaker 1>And then when you start getting to like your fourteenth

0:49:41.920 --> 0:49:45.399
<v Speaker 1>hour on your third day, you're like, I'm nine years

0:49:45.440 --> 0:49:46.279
<v Speaker 1>old again.

0:49:46.200 --> 0:49:47.760
<v Speaker 2>And I was a bad student.

0:49:51.360 --> 0:49:53.840
<v Speaker 1>And you go like, now we're just cracking jokes, and

0:49:53.880 --> 0:49:56.920
<v Speaker 1>then the crew's joking with you, and then cast members.

0:49:56.960 --> 0:49:59.800
<v Speaker 1>Everyone's getting slap happy, and then the shit you're laughing

0:49:59.840 --> 0:50:04.040
<v Speaker 1>at off camera gets dumber and dumber, right, and then

0:50:04.120 --> 0:50:07.400
<v Speaker 1>there's a rhythm that somebody does, if it's an actor

0:50:07.560 --> 0:50:10.720
<v Speaker 1>or a crew member. We have this guy Joey Perla,

0:50:10.800 --> 0:50:13.160
<v Speaker 1>who was in wardrobe, who was just the funniest guy

0:50:13.200 --> 0:50:16.160
<v Speaker 1>on our set. Yeah, and the more tired we would get,

0:50:16.360 --> 0:50:18.440
<v Speaker 1>he would do something where he would walk over and

0:50:19.000 --> 0:50:21.200
<v Speaker 1>tell you about your shirt not being tucked in right,

0:50:21.480 --> 0:50:24.640
<v Speaker 1>and you know, Max and I would die laughing. And

0:50:24.680 --> 0:50:27.640
<v Speaker 1>then thirty seconds later they're calling action, but we still

0:50:27.640 --> 0:50:30.799
<v Speaker 1>have tears in our eyes. Right, And because it's running late,

0:50:30.800 --> 0:50:32.680
<v Speaker 1>everyone's going like, all right, let's go, let's go. So

0:50:32.719 --> 0:50:34.320
<v Speaker 1>you're going like all right, and then you're saying to

0:50:34.360 --> 0:50:36.120
<v Speaker 1>each other like shut up, shut up, like don't say

0:50:36.120 --> 0:50:39.440
<v Speaker 1>anything besides your lines, and then this scene starts and

0:50:39.719 --> 0:50:42.959
<v Speaker 1>instantly one of you says one thing and you're both

0:50:43.000 --> 0:50:45.719
<v Speaker 1>biting your tongues and you really want to laugh, and

0:50:45.760 --> 0:50:47.920
<v Speaker 1>then it creates a whole new rhythm.

0:50:48.320 --> 0:50:48.560
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:50:48.640 --> 0:50:51.880
<v Speaker 1>And for what was lucky about us with that show,

0:50:52.480 --> 0:50:54.800
<v Speaker 1>which is why when I'm looking for something that piece

0:50:54.880 --> 0:50:58.560
<v Speaker 1>is important, is Liz was never mad at that. As

0:50:58.600 --> 0:51:01.680
<v Speaker 1>long as the material was funny, she was happy. She

0:51:01.719 --> 0:51:04.880
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't say like, hey, you missed this one line that

0:51:04.920 --> 0:51:08.400
<v Speaker 1>the writer did, asshole, pull your shit together. This is

0:51:08.440 --> 0:51:11.279
<v Speaker 1>your job as a professional actor. Which it is. And

0:51:11.360 --> 0:51:14.879
<v Speaker 1>if somebody says that they're right, but what she would

0:51:14.920 --> 0:51:16.719
<v Speaker 1>do is she'd be like, good, then she would yell

0:51:16.760 --> 0:51:19.959
<v Speaker 1>out say this instead, and then the whole crew would

0:51:20.040 --> 0:51:23.280
<v Speaker 1>laugh and you'd be like, now we're all just finding

0:51:23.360 --> 0:51:26.080
<v Speaker 1>it and this is the audience while we're part of it.

0:51:26.560 --> 0:51:28.600
<v Speaker 1>And you would have moments where you would go like,

0:51:28.880 --> 0:51:32.520
<v Speaker 1>we'd finish the scene and video Village would be laughing,

0:51:32.680 --> 0:51:35.200
<v Speaker 1>the crew would be laughing. We would be laughing, and

0:51:35.320 --> 0:51:37.560
<v Speaker 1>you would know that's gonna cut together.

0:51:37.719 --> 0:51:38.560
<v Speaker 2>That is funny.

0:51:38.640 --> 0:51:41.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And when it happens like that, which is very rare,

0:51:42.680 --> 0:51:45.160
<v Speaker 1>that to me makes it like, oh man, this like

0:51:45.320 --> 0:51:49.359
<v Speaker 1>weird group all formed the crew, the vibe the right

0:51:49.560 --> 0:51:52.799
<v Speaker 1>you're like, it just becomes perfect. And if it's not

0:51:53.000 --> 0:51:57.200
<v Speaker 1>that I've realized now I don't like to play the

0:51:57.239 --> 0:52:00.239
<v Speaker 1>game as much. It feels like, if it's sports, it's

0:52:00.280 --> 0:52:02.680
<v Speaker 1>not always just basketball. If you have the wrong coach

0:52:02.719 --> 0:52:06.000
<v Speaker 1>and the wrong offense, it's that much fun to play basketball.

0:52:06.040 --> 0:52:08.919
<v Speaker 1>But if you can play in the right offense right,

0:52:09.040 --> 0:52:10.800
<v Speaker 1>it's like just the best game.

0:52:11.640 --> 0:52:16.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. One hundred and forty six episodes, seven seasons. Your

0:52:17.040 --> 0:52:21.399
<v Speaker 2>first time you're playing the same character Yes, for an

0:52:21.440 --> 0:52:25.560
<v Speaker 2>extended period of time. You know, your world, your interest,

0:52:25.640 --> 0:52:30.760
<v Speaker 2>your focus coming from sketch where you're changing characters mid show.

0:52:31.320 --> 0:52:34.719
<v Speaker 2>Was this something that you enjoyed the longevity.

0:52:34.280 --> 0:52:38.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because the character changed. Okay, when I started the show,

0:52:38.520 --> 0:52:43.279
<v Speaker 1>my character, the description was the smartest guy in the room,

0:52:44.120 --> 0:52:48.480
<v Speaker 1>but two insecure to say it never been described as

0:52:48.480 --> 0:52:51.399
<v Speaker 1>that in my life. Comedically, I don't know what that is.

0:52:51.480 --> 0:52:56.960
<v Speaker 1>My character was. He passed, he got his law degree,

0:52:57.200 --> 0:53:00.480
<v Speaker 1>but the law of the land just didn't hould him in.

0:53:01.360 --> 0:53:06.960
<v Speaker 1>So he just went internal. Don't get that guy. What

0:53:07.000 --> 0:53:10.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm in new is conspiracy theories, so like, for example,

0:53:10.440 --> 0:53:13.560
<v Speaker 1>on that show. And I've told this before, but Zoe

0:53:13.680 --> 0:53:15.680
<v Speaker 1>was really funny from the start. She knew exactly who

0:53:15.760 --> 0:53:20.120
<v Speaker 1>Jess was. The writer knew Zoe's character. Max Greenfield as Schmidt,

0:53:20.280 --> 0:53:23.920
<v Speaker 1>was very clean comedically from the start. He knew tonally

0:53:23.960 --> 0:53:26.719
<v Speaker 1>he was going to be different. Lamorne was as lost

0:53:26.760 --> 0:53:28.799
<v Speaker 1>as me. We didn't know what we were doing. We

0:53:28.800 --> 0:53:31.560
<v Speaker 1>were just happy to be there. My character was kind

0:53:31.560 --> 0:53:33.160
<v Speaker 1>of the straight guy a lot where a lot of

0:53:33.200 --> 0:53:36.000
<v Speaker 1>it I was like looking at somebody, especially Zoe and

0:53:36.040 --> 0:53:40.000
<v Speaker 1>being like, God, damn, you're perfect and having like one

0:53:40.120 --> 0:53:45.000
<v Speaker 1>line of like you did what well? Your dress looks great?

0:53:45.560 --> 0:53:47.880
<v Speaker 1>And so I thought it'd be really funny if my

0:53:48.080 --> 0:53:50.759
<v Speaker 1>character had a best friend who was essentially like just

0:53:50.840 --> 0:53:54.320
<v Speaker 1>a random dude in the park, and it was discovered

0:53:54.400 --> 0:53:56.960
<v Speaker 1>by the roommates that I would be hanging out with

0:53:57.040 --> 0:54:00.200
<v Speaker 1>this old guy in a park and having full conversation

0:54:00.440 --> 0:54:04.960
<v Speaker 1>and it's later revealed the guy never talks. So you

0:54:05.040 --> 0:54:07.839
<v Speaker 1>just see like Nick hanging out with this older guy

0:54:08.120 --> 0:54:11.160
<v Speaker 1>who's his best friend, right, and then Nick thinks he

0:54:11.239 --> 0:54:13.839
<v Speaker 1>got like great advice and it's later revealed the guy

0:54:13.920 --> 0:54:17.759
<v Speaker 1>doesn't speak, and so you just then go like that

0:54:17.800 --> 0:54:24.440
<v Speaker 1>person's crazy. I fitched it to Liz, and to her credit,

0:54:24.560 --> 0:54:27.759
<v Speaker 1>she's like yes. And then to the writer's credit, they

0:54:27.760 --> 0:54:30.120
<v Speaker 1>did this whole arc where he like takes me to

0:54:30.160 --> 0:54:33.680
<v Speaker 1>this bath and he like cradles me in his arms.

0:54:34.200 --> 0:54:37.719
<v Speaker 1>But the character Tran became Nick's like best friend. He

0:54:37.840 --> 0:54:40.839
<v Speaker 1>never speaks in the show, but when my character would

0:54:40.840 --> 0:54:42.600
<v Speaker 1>have like a big conflict, I'd like go to the

0:54:42.640 --> 0:54:44.480
<v Speaker 1>park and be sitting on a bench and be talking

0:54:44.520 --> 0:54:48.400
<v Speaker 1>to him. That ability to change a character and grow

0:54:48.400 --> 0:54:50.440
<v Speaker 1>with him, and then have to do a scene where

0:54:50.960 --> 0:54:52.960
<v Speaker 1>Zoe walks in and I'm holding a rose and I

0:54:53.040 --> 0:54:55.680
<v Speaker 1>go like, you're as pretty as this. I'm like, I know,

0:54:55.760 --> 0:54:57.799
<v Speaker 1>but the scene before you saw me talking to a

0:54:57.840 --> 0:55:02.040
<v Speaker 1>guy in a park who doesn't speak, and that, to

0:55:02.080 --> 0:55:06.759
<v Speaker 1>me is when TV gets to do that. That is

0:55:06.800 --> 0:55:09.719
<v Speaker 1>really fun acting. But the idea of saying like this

0:55:09.760 --> 0:55:12.520
<v Speaker 1>thing was written eighty years ago and your job is

0:55:12.719 --> 0:55:17.680
<v Speaker 1>just to put your interpretation of these words. I thought like, well,

0:55:17.920 --> 0:55:21.400
<v Speaker 1>that's never what I thought acting was. I just realized

0:55:21.400 --> 0:55:24.080
<v Speaker 1>as I got older, everybody else disagrees.

0:55:25.120 --> 0:55:31.400
<v Speaker 2>That's fascinating. I mean I love that perspective and also

0:55:32.440 --> 0:55:35.920
<v Speaker 2>your ability to make your own imprint. I mean it

0:55:36.000 --> 0:55:41.560
<v Speaker 2>sounds like Liz and the writing team not only allowed

0:55:41.640 --> 0:55:43.600
<v Speaker 2>you because sometimes you're not allowed.

0:55:43.920 --> 0:55:46.640
<v Speaker 1>Most of my career is not allowed. Yeah, Or they'll

0:55:46.640 --> 0:55:49.080
<v Speaker 1>go like, I love it so great, here's what we're

0:55:49.080 --> 0:55:51.000
<v Speaker 1>gonna do. We're gonna do the scene, but we're not

0:55:51.000 --> 0:55:52.720
<v Speaker 1>gonna have the weird guy in the park who doesn't

0:55:52.719 --> 0:55:56.600
<v Speaker 1>talk right, And then they're just appeasing you. And you know,

0:55:56.640 --> 0:55:58.759
<v Speaker 1>when you're first starting up, then shut your mouth and

0:55:58.800 --> 0:56:00.920
<v Speaker 1>do your thing. But then there is a point of

0:56:00.960 --> 0:56:03.640
<v Speaker 1>your career where you go, I don't want to run

0:56:03.680 --> 0:56:06.080
<v Speaker 1>the story. That's your job. I don't want to give

0:56:06.120 --> 0:56:09.279
<v Speaker 1>notes on other characters. That's your job. But let's have

0:56:09.320 --> 0:56:12.920
<v Speaker 1>a discussion about this so that I can give you

0:56:13.000 --> 0:56:15.399
<v Speaker 1>the best of what I can do and you can

0:56:15.440 --> 0:56:18.799
<v Speaker 1>get the best out of your show because it's yours, right.

0:56:19.040 --> 0:56:21.200
<v Speaker 1>But that's not everybody, And that's a credit to Liz.

0:56:21.239 --> 0:56:23.719
<v Speaker 1>I didn't really appreciate her enough while we were doing

0:56:23.760 --> 0:56:26.239
<v Speaker 1>it because I didn't realize other people weren't like her.

0:56:27.200 --> 0:56:30.160
<v Speaker 2>Did you think that it was time for the show

0:56:30.160 --> 0:56:30.920
<v Speaker 2>to end when.

0:56:30.800 --> 0:56:33.440
<v Speaker 1>It ended, Well, no, we were going to get Our

0:56:33.480 --> 0:56:35.799
<v Speaker 1>show wasn't like The Office in that I know you

0:56:35.840 --> 0:56:40.520
<v Speaker 1>guys started slow and then you exploded. We didn't explode.

0:56:40.560 --> 0:56:45.760
<v Speaker 1>We exploded during the pandemic. So we never had the ratings.

0:56:46.160 --> 0:56:50.080
<v Speaker 1>We were never a popular show. La never loved the

0:56:50.120 --> 0:56:53.279
<v Speaker 1>show when we finished, Conan didn't have us all on

0:56:53.360 --> 0:56:58.279
<v Speaker 1>in director's chairs, you know, like there was no late

0:56:58.320 --> 0:57:01.920
<v Speaker 1>show where everyone's like, God, the public's gonna miss you.

0:57:02.280 --> 0:57:07.040
<v Speaker 1>It was We weren't that show, and we knew it right.

0:57:07.160 --> 0:57:10.920
<v Speaker 1>So season six, the show was gonna get canceled by Fox.

0:57:11.480 --> 0:57:14.319
<v Speaker 1>And it wasn't like a mean cancelation. It was like

0:57:14.480 --> 0:57:18.080
<v Speaker 1>you guys, we were good for the network. I know

0:57:18.120 --> 0:57:20.520
<v Speaker 1>they were like launching shows off us. At the beginning,

0:57:20.560 --> 0:57:23.240
<v Speaker 1>we had like a Tuesday night lineup, and so they

0:57:23.240 --> 0:57:25.880
<v Speaker 1>were like, I think Liz wrote to Zobe nine and said,

0:57:26.160 --> 0:57:29.520
<v Speaker 1>just respect, just so you guys know, they're probably going

0:57:29.560 --> 0:57:32.840
<v Speaker 1>to cancel it simply because the numbers are terrible. But

0:57:32.960 --> 0:57:37.160
<v Speaker 1>if we all wrote letters to Dana Walden, she does

0:57:37.360 --> 0:57:38.080
<v Speaker 1>she wants.

0:57:37.840 --> 0:57:38.320
<v Speaker 2>To be cool.

0:57:38.560 --> 0:57:41.080
<v Speaker 1>So we all wrote personal letters saying, can we at

0:57:41.120 --> 0:57:45.360
<v Speaker 1>least finish the season or the show? And then they

0:57:45.360 --> 0:57:47.680
<v Speaker 1>gave us like we had to like contractually sign something

0:57:47.680 --> 0:57:50.320
<v Speaker 1>because the guarantee is thirteen episodes and I think they're like,

0:57:50.360 --> 0:57:53.400
<v Speaker 1>we can give you eight, right, And so we finished

0:57:53.400 --> 0:57:55.360
<v Speaker 1>it them so by the end it was time to go.

0:57:56.280 --> 0:57:58.720
<v Speaker 1>But we knew it was like a ship with a

0:57:58.720 --> 0:58:01.320
<v Speaker 1>big hole in it, and that was that whole was ratings.

0:58:01.920 --> 0:58:07.760
<v Speaker 2>You mentioned it during the pandemic. You Exploded became extremely

0:58:08.000 --> 0:58:14.400
<v Speaker 2>successful in streaming. Now with this new rabid fan base

0:58:14.640 --> 0:58:18.880
<v Speaker 2>for the show, I'll ask you the question that is

0:58:19.080 --> 0:58:22.760
<v Speaker 2>super annoying that everyone asks me every forty five seconds.

0:58:22.840 --> 0:58:26.320
<v Speaker 2>Would you return to it in some form if the opportunity.

0:58:25.960 --> 0:58:28.440
<v Speaker 1>Rose, you know I've really honestly, first of all, what

0:58:28.480 --> 0:58:29.000
<v Speaker 1>would you do?

0:58:30.800 --> 0:58:34.160
<v Speaker 2>Well, it sounds like your feelings about Liz are my

0:58:34.200 --> 0:58:38.320
<v Speaker 2>feelings about Greg. That if Greg got an idea around

0:58:38.360 --> 0:58:40.840
<v Speaker 2>it and he was a part of it, then it

0:58:40.840 --> 0:58:42.480
<v Speaker 2>would probably be an easy yes for me.

0:58:42.600 --> 0:58:49.160
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's exactly it. If Liz called and said, are

0:58:49.160 --> 0:58:52.280
<v Speaker 1>you ready to enter back into insanity, We're going to

0:58:52.400 --> 0:58:55.960
<v Speaker 1>do it as like a movie or whatever. Let's just

0:58:56.120 --> 0:58:59.400
<v Speaker 1>weird out. Let's go back to the huge hours, Let's

0:58:59.440 --> 0:59:03.240
<v Speaker 1>go back who it's like dating an old girlfriend. You're like,

0:59:03.320 --> 0:59:05.440
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot great, but like you know, things got

0:59:05.440 --> 0:59:09.200
<v Speaker 1>really weird and you know, let's go back to that

0:59:09.320 --> 0:59:13.280
<v Speaker 1>phase of life. If she's like, I fully get how

0:59:13.320 --> 0:59:17.840
<v Speaker 1>to make it work, and Zoe called and Max called

0:59:17.880 --> 0:59:20.720
<v Speaker 1>the morning Hannah and everyone's like, I'm in. If you

0:59:20.760 --> 0:59:23.360
<v Speaker 1>guys are in, I for sure would not be like

0:59:23.640 --> 0:59:28.520
<v Speaker 1>I will never revisit like sure, but it would have

0:59:28.680 --> 0:59:32.880
<v Speaker 1>to be. It couldn't start with an executive at like

0:59:33.200 --> 0:59:36.040
<v Speaker 1>Roku being like we have a way to do a

0:59:36.080 --> 0:59:38.880
<v Speaker 1>special on Roku and we're gonna throw buckets of money

0:59:38.880 --> 0:59:40.800
<v Speaker 1>at you. You go like, now, I don't want to

0:59:41.120 --> 0:59:44.640
<v Speaker 1>ruin the good thing. Nobody in that show. If you

0:59:44.680 --> 0:59:48.240
<v Speaker 1>do TV long enough, you don't need the paycheck. So no,

0:59:48.440 --> 0:59:51.080
<v Speaker 1>we can't just cash out and ruin for the audience

0:59:51.160 --> 0:59:53.920
<v Speaker 1>or take anything away. There was a loyalty to that

0:59:53.960 --> 0:59:57.640
<v Speaker 1>show from the base. We appreciate it. If it's going

0:59:57.680 --> 1:00:00.000
<v Speaker 1>to ever come back, it's got to be because create

1:00:00.480 --> 1:00:04.880
<v Speaker 1>Liz really feels like this is a story I gotta tell, right,

1:00:05.120 --> 1:00:06.840
<v Speaker 1>and then I would love to go back and be

1:00:06.920 --> 1:00:10.000
<v Speaker 1>texting all the time about Nick and battling stuff out

1:00:10.000 --> 1:00:12.520
<v Speaker 1>and figuring it out and going back to how we

1:00:12.600 --> 1:00:14.200
<v Speaker 1>shoot it and all that fun stuff.

1:00:15.160 --> 1:00:19.400
<v Speaker 2>I love that. I Uh, I literally could talk to

1:00:19.440 --> 1:00:23.480
<v Speaker 2>you forever. I have so many pages here that we

1:00:23.560 --> 1:00:26.800
<v Speaker 2>haven't even touched. I of course do want to mention

1:00:27.240 --> 1:00:33.000
<v Speaker 2>we're here to help. The podcast that you're there very

1:00:33.000 --> 1:00:39.560
<v Speaker 2>close to me appeared in literally me. It is a

1:00:39.600 --> 1:00:42.480
<v Speaker 2>lot of fun. Everybody check it out. Well, let me

1:00:42.520 --> 1:00:45.000
<v Speaker 2>ask you about the Penis Show really quickly.

1:00:47.120 --> 1:00:48.120
<v Speaker 1>Through me for a second.

1:00:48.240 --> 1:00:53.640
<v Speaker 2>I heard your kids called the Penis Show. Yeah, yeah.

1:00:55.720 --> 1:00:58.000
<v Speaker 2>Is it going to have a life somewhere else? No?

1:00:58.280 --> 1:01:00.560
<v Speaker 1>I think it's dead. I dead, Yeah, I mean it

1:01:00.640 --> 1:01:03.720
<v Speaker 1>was honestly one of those Llen our showrunner It was

1:01:03.760 --> 1:01:07.360
<v Speaker 1>fucking brilliant. Rachel Goldenberg our director of the pilot, and

1:01:07.440 --> 1:01:10.520
<v Speaker 1>the one of our EPs was great. Ben Carland was great,

1:01:10.560 --> 1:01:13.160
<v Speaker 1>one of the writers. The cast was awesome. The premise

1:01:13.280 --> 1:01:15.720
<v Speaker 1>was so fun. It took place in the nineteen seventies.

1:01:15.760 --> 1:01:18.080
<v Speaker 1>It was around a smut magazine. It was essentially the

1:01:18.120 --> 1:01:22.160
<v Speaker 1>first playgirl. Yeah, and it was I played a smut

1:01:22.160 --> 1:01:29.480
<v Speaker 1>publisher what's that bag who realized that there's an entire

1:01:29.720 --> 1:01:33.560
<v Speaker 1>market in porn that hasn't been tapped into, and that is,

1:01:34.360 --> 1:01:38.520
<v Speaker 1>let's show some hogs. Yeah, And I thought, what fun?

1:01:38.880 --> 1:01:40.800
<v Speaker 1>And I thought the writing was fun. We were on

1:01:41.000 --> 1:01:45.200
<v Speaker 1>HBO Max and then we were part of those tax

1:01:45.280 --> 1:01:48.040
<v Speaker 1>cuts where that ear where a bunch got cut off

1:01:48.960 --> 1:01:52.640
<v Speaker 1>and we were canceled, I think, and season two I

1:01:52.680 --> 1:01:54.720
<v Speaker 1>can't remember all the deed we were shooting the show.

1:01:55.160 --> 1:01:57.120
<v Speaker 1>We were just about done with two when we got

1:01:57.160 --> 1:02:00.560
<v Speaker 1>canceled and they hadn't even seen the creative And then

1:02:00.800 --> 1:02:05.360
<v Speaker 1>Stars bought us and we went there and we couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>promote because it came out during the strake and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, you know, at a certain point, you just

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<v Speaker 1>gotta go. This one's not meant.

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<v Speaker 2>To be everything.

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<v Speaker 1>But they're like, okay, so you can you can't promote it,

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<v Speaker 1>but what you can do? And I was like, everything's

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<v Speaker 1>got to stop, everybody, this is madness.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I had one of those two. It was incredibly frustrating,

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<v Speaker 2>like you just got it's like, okay, here's a brand

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<v Speaker 2>new show, very different that nobody can talk about. Good luck, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>good luck.

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<v Speaker 1>And then but then the beauty of our business in

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<v Speaker 1>my opinion, in this era, and it's slightly changing now

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<v Speaker 1>post strike, but we were in a great era where

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<v Speaker 1>there was so much being made so that like if

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<v Speaker 1>you wanted to play this game, you could, and you

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<v Speaker 1>could experiment around and if people didn't see it and

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't work, because of that, there was enough to

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<v Speaker 1>be had. And so I was sad about that one.

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<v Speaker 1>But also once the strike happened, I was like, you

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<v Speaker 1>know when the cast is like should we all get together,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, guys, it's over, Like there's nothing. You

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<v Speaker 1>cannot promote it and it's on a new street, the

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<v Speaker 1>union rules, we got emails, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>What it is. Well, I know that you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be creating more content one way or the other, writing, directing,

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<v Speaker 2>come back on. We'll talk we'll talk. Well, actually, we

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<v Speaker 2>should make a day to talk after the season, really,

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<v Speaker 2>just because I want to see your tears. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to see your tears. And I'm guessing now, based on

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<v Speaker 2>this conversation, a whole hell of a lot of excuses.

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<v Speaker 2>That's really, that's what I'm predicting.

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<v Speaker 1>After the Packers lose to the forty nine Ers in

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<v Speaker 1>the playoffs and I go, well, be I'm lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the team, as you go, No, no, it was a

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<v Speaker 1>missed field goal.

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<v Speaker 2>Jake Johnson, thank you so much. It's always good to

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<v Speaker 2>see you. Let's do it. Let's do it soon. I

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<v Speaker 2>love it all right, Thanks Jake, that was great. Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you so much for coming on today. And as I

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<v Speaker 2>said before, it has been a pleasure getting to know you. Listeners,

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<v Speaker 2>go listen to my episode of We're Here to Help,

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<v Speaker 2>and then listen to all the other episodes too. That

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<v Speaker 2>should give you plenty to do until next Tuesday, when

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to come back here with me. Understood. Awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Until then, everybody, have a great week off. The Beat

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