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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, one and all, Welcome back to another episode

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Speaker 2: You know? Just like the song says, the Bears still suck.

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Speaker 2: I think their schedule is very difficult.

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Speaker 2: Well that's Garret's comment. That's not okay, fair enough? All right, Well,

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Speaker 2: No one's ever won three in a row. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: The world has changed to the point of we would

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Speaker 2: It, guys, all right, well, that's sports with Jake and Brian.

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Speaker 1: Traffic on the nine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about you a little bit. Chicago. You

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Speaker 2: got an amazing research team here on off the beat.

437
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 2: You went to school for writing. Yeah, University of Iowa, which,

438
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 2: by the way, I know this is no joke, a

439
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:09,199
Speaker 2: excellent writing program. What's it called the I actually know.

440
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 2: I spent a summer there.

441
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,439
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean I don't. I don't know if it's

442
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,439
Speaker 1: ever the extual name of it. But the great writing

443
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 1: program was the graduate program. No, no, no, at uh

444
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: oh at Iowa. So then the undergrad had a good

445
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 1: ye were taught by the graduate students. But the graduate

446
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 1: creative writing program at Iowa, it is like, was like

447
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 1: we created novelists, you know, every year famous.

448
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, So you wanted to be a writer, Yeah, yeah.

449
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 1: Well I started off. You know, we were talking a

450
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: little bit of this on ours. But like the pursuit

451
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 1: of acting, what it used to be, what the whole

452
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: goal was. I didn't have a way in to understand

453
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 1: what it was, or really what the goal was. I

454
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: grew up outside Chicago, so we had the second city.

455
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: You know, Bill Murray and the Murray family was raised

456
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 1: in the town right next to ours, so everybody knew,

457
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: like where the Murray house was, the golf course. They

458
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: created Caddyshack out of John Cusack was from the same town.

459
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 1: So you had enough people who had broke through, but

460
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 1: I didn't quite have a clear path at it. And

461
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 1: then in high school plays kind of started, and it

462
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: was the beginning of like theater and then what's kind

463
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 1: of cool about theater? And that's when like the David

464
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: Mammets and the Sam Shepherds and the John Patrick Shanley's.

465
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: I started reading those plays and I just thought they

466
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: were so cool, and I thought I could write one

467
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 1: of these and do these. I can't write and do

468
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 1: TV or movies that felt too you got to go

469
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 1: to Hollywood and you need some producer in a big

470
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: studio to give you a bucket of cash, right, and

471
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: I could put on a play. And so I just

472
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: started writing plays, and then we were all putting them

473
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: on and that became the beginning of it.

474
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 2: What was performing of interest to you.

475
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: Always but always, but acting acting never really was okay.

476
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: So it was performing in terms of getting laughs and

477
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: getting the story out. But the dream of being like

478
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: a chameleon actor and doing Shakespeare in the Park and

479
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 1: the craft of acting was never as exciting as storytelling

480
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 1: and being in it and the energy of a crowd

481
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 1: and hitting a moment. So it felt like as I

482
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,719
Speaker 1: got older and met more and more actor actors, I

483
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, that's a different skill set you have

484
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: that I respect, But that was never my main passion.

485
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 2: Is it now?

486
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: No, it's still all the same. It's the I love

487
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: being in an ensemble. I love having when you were

488
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: talking about the office and you'd say, like, the people

489
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,360
Speaker 1: near your seats you form bits with. I love finding

490
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: rhythms and bits, and I love being on a team

491
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 1: and feeling like as a goal, we're all trying to

492
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: hit this. But I never if I get sent scripts

493
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking of taking a job, I never think

494
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: too much about the character. First. I think to the

495
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 1: whole project, the whole story, and everybody else around. I've

496
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: never had to talk with my agents of like, you know,

497
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: I'm interested in playing a serial killer. That's the last thought.

498
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 1: And it took me years to realize, like, oh, everybody

499
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: doesn't do it this way, right, I felt like, Oh,

500
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 1: because they're more pure actors and it's a different animal, right,

501
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 1: because you're you started off as an actor, act like

502
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: you were doing you were saying you were doing theater

503
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: in Minnesota.

504
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're Yeah, we're totally different in that way. Yeah,

505
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 2: and so much so in fact that I yeah, even

506
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 2: the idea and you talk and I guess that that

507
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense. I mean, you know, when

508
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 2: you're a kid, then slightly older, Yeah, I mean Cusack,

509
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 2: Bill Murray and then the theater scene there in Chicago

510
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 2: with Steppenwolf and Shepherd and Mammot and all the guys

511
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 2: you mentioned, I guess maybe, and being in Chicago as well.

512
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 2: And now it's changed. You know. I grew up in Atlanta. Honestly,

513
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 2: the idea of movies and television and that it was

514
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 2: not there was not any no, it wasn't even like, oh,

515
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 2: I can't achieve it. I just didn't even think about it.

516
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.

517
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 2: It wasn't a part of my consciousness. I loved, yeah,

518
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 2: creating characters and thought that's what I would do in

519
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 2: the theater for the rest of my life. Yeah. Interesting,

520
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 2: I read you in New York. You went to NYU,

521
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 2: and you had a sketch comedy group called the Midwesterners

522
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 2: by the way, awesome name, thank you. Was that something

523
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 2: that was important for you and your development getting on

524
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 2: stage working with them.

525
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: So the Midwesterners we called ourself sketch comedy because we

526
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: didn't know what else to call it. Okay, at first

527
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: called it sketchy comedy because the beginning of it was

528
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: we were going to fringe festivals. We ended up at UCV,

529
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: but we weren't playing, and that wasn't the goal. The

530
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,479
Speaker 1: goal was write a play, and the arc of the

531
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: play has a bunch of different characters who get you there,

532
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: and a bunch of small scenes, and me and him,

533
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: my buddy Oliver and I we're just playing all the characters.

534
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: So we viewed it more like a one act play,

535
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: that it was a thirty minute play with five scenes

536
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: or five little acts. And while we were doing it,

537
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: we would rent little theaters in the Lower East Side

538
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: of New York like Pink Pony or Collective Unconscious or

539
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: all these like cool little spots in the late nineties

540
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: or Surf Reality. And as we were putting it done,

541
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: our audience were friends of ours and friends of friends,

542
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: so it was a young group of people in their

543
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: early twenties, and we would do a scene that would

544
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: be heavy and everyone would hate it, and then we

545
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: would do a scene that was funny and everybody would

546
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: love it, and then we would all go to a

547
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: bar afterwards and you would hear the feedback. So with

548
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: each show it just got more and more and more comedic,

549
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: and it became what it was. And then somebody from

550
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: UCB saw it and gave us a run. And when

551
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: we were at UCB, we were like, oh, we are

552
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: just doing sketch sketch now because all the stuff that

553
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: used to work at a fringe festival that was celebrated there.

554
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: And that's a weird transition. A scene that might not

555
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: have as many jokes per page, but you're actually acting

556
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: a little bit, and you're creating moments, and you're creating tension,

557
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: and you're playing with the theater that wasn't as celebrated

558
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: UCB was. It's funny, those are good characters. How many

559
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: jokes can you get? And so that we kind of

560
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: were changing what we were doing with the audience.

561
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 2: But it's very interesting in a way. I mean, this

562
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 2: is probably reductive to what you were trying to accomplish.

563
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 2: But if you think about I don't know a lot

564
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 2: of Tarantino's work. I mean, there's others where it feels

565
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 2: like I've never talked to him specifically about how he

566
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: constructs an overall movie. But the idea of creating sort

567
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 2: of set pieces, right, a set piece meaning like I'm

568
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 2: speaking for some people listening, like a set piece might

569
00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 2: be an extended scene that exists. And then I feel

570
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 2: like what a lot of people attempt to do is

571
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 2: find that connective tissue which brings you from scene to scene.

572
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 2: But there's something almost yeah, like some of Tarantino's work

573
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 2: where it's just like, Nope, that's the scene. Yeah, and

574
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 2: then the next one is something totally different with totally

575
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 2: different characters. And then by the time we get to

576
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: the end, we've got some callbacks, we've got some references

577
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 2: to that. That's a very interesting way to me of

578
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: creating a piece of theater.

579
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it was also we were really young, was

580
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: also really excited, and it was very inexpensive because we

581
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: weren't building sets right, So the whole changes were the

582
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: small costumes we put on and our performances. But I

583
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: think my buddy who ended up going to Berlin to

584
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: do a Kenneth Laundergren play and I ended up going

585
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: out to LA. Was we realized we were loving different stuff, okay,

586
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: And what I was loving is we can create something

587
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: that can affect this audience, and we as like a room,

588
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: are one thing and we all kind of it all

589
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: peaked at this one moment together. But the details of

590
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: how we got there, I think are interchangeable. And so

591
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: to me, the meat and potatoes and the thing that

592
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: was really exciting was not like I entered this character

593
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: and I lost myself and I really understood what we

594
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: were trying to say by doing the same thing over

595
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: and over and really nailing it, which I see the

596
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,239
Speaker 1: art and I think it's really cool. To me is

597
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: it was? There was a weird magic in this room

598
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: and everything went a little different than expected and we

599
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: didn't even know, but they were part of it too, right,

600
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: Ben finishes and You're like, wow, that was I was like, Oh,

601
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: that's what I got addicted to.

602
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you moved to LA and you were working as

603
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 2: a writer and a PA. Yeah were you pursuing writing? Yes?

604
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: So when I what, I moved out so I I'd

605
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: done a my buddy Bill and I. We'd created a

606
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: low budget documentary type thing. It was two thousand and three,

607
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,479
Speaker 1: so it's kind of before the reality TV explosion. What

608
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: we had created was just a reality show. We just

609
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: didn't know it. I'd gotten some money from a random

610
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,719
Speaker 1: guy in Oklahoma. I was there writing a script with somebody,

611
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: and the guy, my writing partner's uncle, took us out

612
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: and he was just flexing on us all night about

613
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: how rich he was, how successful he was, and how

614
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: we have to work harder and just not like smoke

615
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: weed and drink beer pretend to be writers.

616
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 2: Like.

617
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: Because he was buying the dinner, we had to take it.

618
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: But at one point I said to him, well, I've

619
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: gone a project. That's all set, we just don't have money,

620
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: and I kind of improvised pitch to him an idea

621
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: called Project Joke. And the reason it was called Project

622
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: Joke was because the whole thing was a joke. I

623
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: was making it up as I went. But that is

624
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: Bill and I were going to travel the Midwest and

625
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: we were going to write a sketch show as we went,

626
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: And so every night we were going to perform in

627
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: a different venue, either a sketch venue or a stand

628
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: up you. We were going to interview people of what

629
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: they wanted in the sketch show, and then on the

630
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: last day, we were going to perform in Chicago to

631
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: a sold out audience, and you were going to see

632
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: how a show is written, and you were going to

633
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: feel how much an audience at the Funny Bone in

634
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: Omaha hates us because they did. And you know, Jerry

635
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: Seinfeld did Comedian where he was showing what it's like

636
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: on the road, but he was Seinfeld. And when you

637
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: were totally unknown, audiences hate you in a different way, right,

638
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,919
Speaker 1: and audiences hated me. And I was like, I would

639
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: go up there and I would try something new. If

640
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: you did something you knew was going to work, they

641
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 1: liked you. But once you start failing and you're you know,

642
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: you keep pushing, they hate you for it. And I

643
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: get it. And so he said, what do you need

644
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: to make this happen? And I said, our budget's ten

645
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: thousand dollars and he wrote me a check for ten

646
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: grand and so I kind.

647
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 2: Of at least said twenty if.

648
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: I honestly, Brian, I had no idea about budgets. I

649
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: had no concept of money.

650
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,240
Speaker 2: I could have had a hot house and to travel

651
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 2: the Midwest. That seems slow.

652
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, whoa it was. It was a very uncomfortable trip. Yeah,

653
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: it was very poorly planned. So anyway, we went and

654
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: we did the trip, and we performed every night. We

655
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,720
Speaker 1: interviewed like the mayor of Saint Paul, We interviewed kids,

656
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: We went to a library, and like, we did everything

657
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: we could to make it happen. And I moved out

658
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: to LA with the raw footage of that, hoping to

659
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: find an editor, hoping to like make it work and

660
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: have Round Howard by it and say, wait a second,

661
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: you're a star kid. This isn't project joke, this is

662
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: project Hollywood. You're and you know it didn't happen, But

663
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: I like met a group of friends who I then

664
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: ended up working with the people I showed the stuff too.

665
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: We ended up writing a show that we sold that

666
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: new show to NBC. Then I got agents and managers

667
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: and started acting. And then the writing kind of faded

668
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 1: with the acting jobs because actings faster, you get paid

669
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: a lot.

670
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 2: It works. Has anyone seen this? No? It's still is

671
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 2: it sitting unedited? Still?

672
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 1: You know? I had I had edited like a forty

673
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: minute version of it at one point, and then the

674
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,720
Speaker 1: tapes which were those like you know those old school

675
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: little Cassetts, they were.

676
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 2: In shell out whether garage.

677
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: Well, I said, yeah, something happened with them. Where my

678
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 1: buddy And after I got a new girl, I had

679
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: some money and I called my buddy and I'm like,

680
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: let's just hire someone to cut it together. And we

681
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: were in touch with somebody, and then there was something

682
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: that was happening where the footage was didn't melt, but

683
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: like they were having a hard time converting it, and

684
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: my buddy wasn't passionate about it, and I thought like,

685
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: why am I still beating this weird drum? What am I?

686
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: What's my point? What's my goal here? I'm the only

687
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: one going like wait a second. I was like, haven't

688
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: I done that enough in my life?

689
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 2: Eventually you got a role on Derek and Simon in

690
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 2: the show Director Pirk by Bob Odenkirk. Now I understand

691
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 2: The Midwesterners was inspired in part by Bob and David

692
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 2: Cross's show, Mister Show. Was that just then amazing to

693
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 2: be able to work with him on that.

694
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that started. When I moved to LA I

695
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: was at the Lost Palmas and Hollywood right by, like

696
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 1: the old cat in the Fiddle.

697
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

698
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: I was living with a roommate and there was a

699
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: guy in the building who was just a legend and

700
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: you know, six foot six, three hundred pounds, always wore

701
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: a fridge. Jersey was driving an old Seabring convertible and

702
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: just ran that place. And he came knocking on my

703
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: door one day and was like, hey, man, want to

704
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: take some pills and go get some Hamburgers. And I'm like,

705
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: I do. And that guy turned out to be the

706
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: great actor Eric Edelstein, and so wow, Instantly I was like,

707
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: I'm just in his car. We're driving around in some

708
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: convertible and he's telling a million stories. He won his

709
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: car on a game show. He was hosting something for

710
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: some TBS show where he's like, I'll buy you shirts, man,

711
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: I got money, and I was like, you're the funniest

712
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 1: guy I've ever read.

713
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 2: I love you.

714
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: And he and I started deciding to do a show together,

715
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: which we ended up doing called This is My Friend,

716
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: and he was in a crew and in that crew,

717
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: Derek Waters was in it, Simon Helberg was in it,

718
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: and they were all at the Second City. Okay, through Eric,

719
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: that group came in and Derek put me in that,

720
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: I think because I was Eric's buddy.

721
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 2: Okay, you mentioned Waters. Is this true? You were the muse,

722
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 2: you were the inspiration behind drunk History.

723
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: Yes, oh my god. Yeah, but josephs mused is the

724
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: right word, Brian, because it's not you know who was

725
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: that woman who said, h Dana Fox, who was the

726
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 1: muse for uh that great like me where she said

727
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: she was the muse for uncut gems? Right, and you

728
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: know you're like, but you weren't in the creative discussion, right,

729
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: It wasn't partners. You guys were maybe hanging. I was

730
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: the equivalent of that. I just got drunk and told

731
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 1: a long winded story and Derek thought of the whole

732
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: show as I was talking.

733
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 2: That's and that's true.

734
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: We were.

735
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 2: It was about Otis Redding's death, yes, which, by the

736
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 2: way I looked this morning at what his death was,

737
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,959
Speaker 2: it doesn't seem that complicated.

738
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: It was a fine crash.

739
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's kind of it. Right.

740
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: So the story I heard from the same guy Bill,

741
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: who I did project joke with. Okay, when we were

742
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: growing up in the nineties, pre internet, which means a

743
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: good story, you're not going to the library and looking

744
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: it up. You trust the narrator.

745
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 2: Okay, this is a it's a conspiracy theory.

746
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: St Well, these days we would call it that. Back

747
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: in the day, it would just be totally called a

748
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:55,760
Speaker 1: great story. Okay, you remember when conspiracy theories were cool.

749
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: I do. Now it's different. They used to be cool.

750
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: But he told me the story when I was growing up,

751
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: and that is Otis Redding and his wife used to

752
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: write the songs together. She wasn't very credited because it

753
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: was back in the day, and you know, the sexism

754
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: or what have you. The day he died, they were

755
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 1: driving to the airport. She drops him off. He gets

756
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: out of the car, he stops, He comes back out,

757
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: and he says, promise me, no matter what happens, you'll

758
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: always be true. She goes, you're crazy. He says, promise me.

759
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: They do, They give each other a big kiss. He

760
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: gets on the plane. He dies. I told that story

761
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: and with the alcohol, it took forty five minutes, and

762
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: I was doing everybody's voices. And the way Derek was

763
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: looking at me during it, my thought was his mind

764
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: is just blown by a great American storyteller, an all

765
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: time banger. And that wasn't the case he had imagined.

766
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: As I was telling it, Otis reading standing behind me,

767
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: going like, man, would you shut the fuck? None of

768
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: them happened you drunk? So he said, can I The

769
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: next day he called and he said, can I come

770
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: over with Jeremy Connor, another friend of ours, and can

771
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: we get you drunk and film you telling that story?

772
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: And I said why.

773
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 2: Well, no, no, you said absolutely, why of course?

774
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: And then the dust settled of them, of course, And

775
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: I said why and he said, because I want to

776
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: get actors to reenact it, and I want Otis to

777
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 1: be in the room with you and whenever you lie

778
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: and like look at camera. And then at the time

779
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: I was a commercial actor, did you start doing commercials

780
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: with your career? No, you just started booking because you

781
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: were doing theater.

782
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I did the commercial thing. You did the

783
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: commercials I mean, I mean when I when I finally

784
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 2: moved to LA so we.

785
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 1: Do that run and getting the auditions are so important.

786
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: Having your commercial agent think like now that's a good actor.

787
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: That really matters, right right. What I think about my

788
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: commercial agent thinking is like this guy who's not in

789
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: the union is for sure a drunk hobo. I'm like, no,

790
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 1: you got to think of me as like a serious

791
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: actor who's not getting black out drunk on a Tuesday

792
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: and line about it is reading.

793
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 2: In the morning in the morning on a Tuesday.

794
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, no, I'm professional. I will be

795
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: at that TJ Max commercial at eight am, right, I'm reliable.

796
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: I told Derek. I was like, no, man, I'm not

797
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: your guy. And then he was like, ah, come on.

798
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: I was like, no, I can't get drunk on a video, man.

799
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: And then he got another one of our friends, Mark

800
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: to do it and then called me up and said,

801
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: will you be in it and play Aaron or with

802
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: Mike Sarah and Mike Sarah At the day it was

803
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 1: pretty super bad. He was just in our group as well,

804
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: and he and I did the first one together where

805
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 1: we did like a duel, and then that one blew

806
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: up on YouTube and Derek got really started wow, you know,

807
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 1: and it was fun to watch it. Derek is such

808
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: a fun ideas guy, so to this day, whenever he calls,

809
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 1: he'll pitch like five ideas and one of them I'm like, Derek,

810
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: that's one of the best ideas I've heard. Man, he

811
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: still got it.

812
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 2: We got to talk about New Girl.

813
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: Yep.

814
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 2: Now you had worked with Elizabeth Merriweather on film No

815
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 2: Strings Attached. Did she approach you about this or was

816
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 2: this like a straight audition situation?

817
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: You know we had. I don't remember the origins. I

818
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: think she was working with Max Winkler on a movie

819
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: because he and I had done a movie called Ceremony together.

820
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: And I believe she was with Max and had seen

821
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: either Daois or something, because when uh, No Strings Attached

822
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 1: came along, I was auditioning for it with Ivan, rightman,

823
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: and she you know, when somebody in the room wants

824
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:31,439
Speaker 1: you yes, Ivan for sure was not sure.

825
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 2: Right.

826
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: Ivan wasn't like that's my guy. He was like, Okay,

827
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,959
Speaker 1: the people in here think he's the guy.

828
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 2: You do.

829
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: It again with less of your instincts. Is there any

830
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: way to do that with a different voice and a

831
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 1: different face.

832
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 2: Let me walk you through a bit by moment by moment,

833
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 2: how I want you to say every word?

834
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're great, I'm happy you're here. I'm

835
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,479
Speaker 1: trying to go like that, and I'm gonna have somebody

836
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: else do it. In ADR, but Liz was the big

837
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: champion for me. Okay, so when we did that movie,

838
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: she and I had a lot of fun and she's brilliant.

839
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: She's so funny. And what I love the most about her,

840
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 1: going back to the Midwesterners, is I like knowing what

841
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: the audience is. Some artists actors are really pure and

842
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: they do not think of the audience, and if they

843
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: think about the audience, they think that makes them hack.

844
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 1: They're just thinking about what they're doing and they really

845
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: hope the audience connects. I don't feel that way. I

846
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: like thinking about the audience. I like knowing where the

847
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: zone is. And the beauty of Liz for me is

848
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: she is such a clear, confident sense of humor that

849
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: she knows exactly what she likes and when she gets it,

850
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: she laughs right. So I was like, I don't know

851
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: exactly what the point of this scene is, what the

852
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: director wants, what the producer wants with paramounts, I don't

853
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: know all those answers, but I really want Liz to

854
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: be happy. And so when Liz and I would find

855
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: a group, she and I could text each other pitches

856
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: and she would say something like really funny. She was like,

857
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: I was really hoping there was gonna be like whale

858
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: sounds during the sex scene. I'd be like, you're insane,

859
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: but everything became we became buds. And so when that

860
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: movie opened, Fox picked up a new girl, which was

861
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: called Chicks and Dicks at the time, and she said,

862
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: I can't offer it to you per the networking studio,

863
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 1: but if you'd be willing to audition, I would love

864
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: you to do it. We'd love to talk to you

865
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: about it. And so she was a real champion and

866
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,720
Speaker 1: really helped nice. Yeah, really quick to you though, how'd

867
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: the walk me through the office again?

868
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 2: Well, I just landed into town. My line was, I

869
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 2: mean I identified the show. I was a fan of

870
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: the British version. I knew the sensibility. I got it,

871
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 2: and I said, they're looking for unknown people. And my

872
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 2: agent at the time her line to me was, well,

873
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 2: they're looking for unknown people, but not you unknown, not

874
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 2: like like not totally unknown. And now, of course I

875
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 2: totally know. At the time, I was like, what are

876
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 2: you talking? Now I get it. It's like they were

877
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: looking for you know, I don't even know if it's

878
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 2: true about him or not or whatever, but like Keckner

879
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 2: or someone like who had been in a thousand times

880
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 2: and just hadn't landed something that nobody in America knew

881
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 2: who they were, but there was like there fan base

882
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 2: in the Yeah, exactly do.

883
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: You remember who you do? You remember who you were

884
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:52,720
Speaker 1: going against?

885
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:59,959
Speaker 2: I do. That's another So when Steve left the show,

886
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 2: Neilson Jones, casting director, came to me, I'll never forget

887
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 2: this and said, so, I've been looking. She keeps everything.

888
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 2: She's like a pack rat in the greatest way, like

889
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 2: every piece of paper that's ever been written on sign

890
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 2: in sheets, all that, And she said, I was looking

891
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 2: for something to give to Steve, like from the audition.

892
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 2: I didn't really find anything, but I thought you would

893
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 2: be interested in this and it was just a singular

894
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 2: piece of paper. I still haven't And there were three

895
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 2: names Mine, Eric stone Street, and Jorge Garcia interesting, so

896
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 2: it kind of worked out for everybody, which is why

897
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 2: it's a good story to tell.

898
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 1: It's a great story. Yeah, but that's those are really

899
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: an interesting three.

900
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, which would have been all would have been totally different.

901
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but also totally it would have been a totally different.

902
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 2: Show totally, And that's a good example of like, in

903
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 2: our world of acting, it's not all like who's the best,

904
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 2: it's like who offers something that fits kind of what

905
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 2: we were talking about before, It fits into this ensemble

906
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 2: in a specific Well, that's what.

907
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,760
Speaker 1: I was loving the most about when you were telling

908
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: me on Mine about the insider baseball of doing those

909
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 1: bits together. Because if you go back to New Girl,

910
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 1: once it kind of started and we started to build

911
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: a little bit early on, we were still trying to

912
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: figure out what it was right, and then they're just

913
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: we had we did such long hours, which you guys said,

914
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: you guys did too, Yeah, that we were always there.

915
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: I can pretend to be a professional actor who's serious

916
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: and ready to be there. I can do like nine hours.

917
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: And then when you start getting to like your fourteenth

918
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 1: hour on your third day, you're like, I'm nine years

919
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: old again.

920
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:47,760
Speaker 2: And I was a bad student.

921
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 1: And you go like, now we're just cracking jokes, and

922
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: then the crew's joking with you, and then cast members.

923
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 1: Everyone's getting slap happy, and then the shit you're laughing

924
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: at off camera gets dumber and dumber, right, and then

925
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: there's a rhythm that somebody does, if it's an actor

926
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,720
Speaker 1: or a crew member. We have this guy Joey Perla,

927
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: who was in wardrobe, who was just the funniest guy

928
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: on our set. Yeah, and the more tired we would get,

929
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: he would do something where he would walk over and

930
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: tell you about your shirt not being tucked in right,

931
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: and you know, Max and I would die laughing. And

932
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: then thirty seconds later they're calling action, but we still

933
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 1: have tears in our eyes. Right, And because it's running late,

934
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: everyone's going like, all right, let's go, let's go. So

935
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 1: you're going like all right, and then you're saying to

936
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: each other like shut up, shut up, like don't say

937
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: anything besides your lines, and then this scene starts and

938
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,959
Speaker 1: instantly one of you says one thing and you're both

939
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: biting your tongues and you really want to laugh, and

940
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: then it creates a whole new rhythm.

941
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 2: Right.

942
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: And for what was lucky about us with that show,

943
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 1: which is why when I'm looking for something that piece

944
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: is important, is Liz was never mad at that. As

945
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: long as the material was funny, she was happy. She

946
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 1: wouldn't say like, hey, you missed this one line that

947
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 1: the writer did, asshole, pull your shit together. This is

948
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: your job as a professional actor. Which it is. And

949
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,879
Speaker 1: if somebody says that they're right, but what she would

950
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: do is she'd be like, good, then she would yell

951
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,959
Speaker 1: out say this instead, and then the whole crew would

952
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 1: laugh and you'd be like, now we're all just finding

953
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: it and this is the audience while we're part of it.

954
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: And you would have moments where you would go like,

955
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: we'd finish the scene and video Village would be laughing,

956
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: the crew would be laughing. We would be laughing, and

957
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: you would know that's gonna cut together.

958
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 2: That is funny.

959
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, And when it happens like that, which is very rare,

960
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: that to me makes it like, oh man, this like

961
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 1: weird group all formed the crew, the vibe the right

962
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 1: you're like, it just becomes perfect. And if it's not

963
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: that I've realized now I don't like to play the

964
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: game as much. It feels like, if it's sports, it's

965
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: not always just basketball. If you have the wrong coach

966
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: and the wrong offense, it's that much fun to play basketball.

967
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,919
Speaker 1: But if you can play in the right offense right,

968
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 1: it's like just the best game.

969
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 2: Yeah. One hundred and forty six episodes, seven seasons. Your

970
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:21,399
Speaker 2: first time you're playing the same character Yes, for an

971
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 2: extended period of time. You know, your world, your interest,

972
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:30,760
Speaker 2: your focus coming from sketch where you're changing characters mid show.

973
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 2: Was this something that you enjoyed the longevity.

974
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:38,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, because the character changed. Okay, when I started the show,

975
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: my character, the description was the smartest guy in the room,

976
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: but two insecure to say it never been described as

977
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,399
Speaker 1: that in my life. Comedically, I don't know what that is.

978
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: My character was. He passed, he got his law degree,

979
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: but the law of the land just didn't hould him in.

980
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: So he just went internal. Don't get that guy. What

981
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 1: I'm in new is conspiracy theories, so like, for example,

982
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: on that show. And I've told this before, but Zoe

983
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: was really funny from the start. She knew exactly who

984
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: Jess was. The writer knew Zoe's character. Max Greenfield as Schmidt,

985
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: was very clean comedically from the start. He knew tonally

986
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: he was going to be different. Lamorne was as lost

987
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 1: as me. We didn't know what we were doing. We

988
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: were just happy to be there. My character was kind

989
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: of the straight guy a lot where a lot of

990
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: it I was like looking at somebody, especially Zoe and

991
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: being like, God, damn, you're perfect and having like one

992
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: line of like you did what well? Your dress looks great?

993
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 1: And so I thought it'd be really funny if my

994
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: character had a best friend who was essentially like just

995
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 1: a random dude in the park, and it was discovered

996
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: by the roommates that I would be hanging out with

997
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: this old guy in a park and having full conversation

998
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: and it's later revealed the guy never talks. So you

999
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 1: just see like Nick hanging out with this older guy

1000
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: who's his best friend, right, and then Nick thinks he

1001
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 1: got like great advice and it's later revealed the guy

1002
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: doesn't speak, and so you just then go like that

1003
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 1: person's crazy. I fitched it to Liz, and to her credit,

1004
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: she's like yes. And then to the writer's credit, they

1005
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: did this whole arc where he like takes me to

1006
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: this bath and he like cradles me in his arms.

1007
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: But the character Tran became Nick's like best friend. He

1008
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 1: never speaks in the show, but when my character would

1009
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: have like a big conflict, I'd like go to the

1010
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: park and be sitting on a bench and be talking

1011
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 1: to him. That ability to change a character and grow

1012
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: with him, and then have to do a scene where

1013
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: Zoe walks in and I'm holding a rose and I

1014
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: go like, you're as pretty as this. I'm like, I know,

1015
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: but the scene before you saw me talking to a

1016
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: guy in a park who doesn't speak, and that, to

1017
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: me is when TV gets to do that. That is

1018
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: really fun acting. But the idea of saying like this

1019
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: thing was written eighty years ago and your job is

1020
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: just to put your interpretation of these words. I thought like, well,

1021
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 1: that's never what I thought acting was. I just realized

1022
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: as I got older, everybody else disagrees.

1023
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 2: That's fascinating. I mean I love that perspective and also

1024
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 2: your ability to make your own imprint. I mean it

1025
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 2: sounds like Liz and the writing team not only allowed

1026
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 2: you because sometimes you're not allowed.

1027
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: Most of my career is not allowed. Yeah, Or they'll

1028
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: go like, I love it so great, here's what we're

1029
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: gonna do. We're gonna do the scene, but we're not

1030
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:52,720
Speaker 1: gonna have the weird guy in the park who doesn't

1031
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: talk right, And then they're just appeasing you. And you know,

1032
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: when you're first starting up, then shut your mouth and

1033
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: do your thing. But then there is a point of

1034
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: your career where you go, I don't want to run

1035
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: the story. That's your job. I don't want to give

1036
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: notes on other characters. That's your job. But let's have

1037
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: a discussion about this so that I can give you

1038
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,399
Speaker 1: the best of what I can do and you can

1039
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: get the best out of your show because it's yours, right.

1040
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: But that's not everybody, And that's a credit to Liz.

1041
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: I didn't really appreciate her enough while we were doing

1042
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: it because I didn't realize other people weren't like her.

1043
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 2: Did you think that it was time for the show

1044
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 2: to end when.

1045
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 1: It ended, Well, no, we were going to get Our

1046
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 1: show wasn't like The Office in that I know you

1047
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: guys started slow and then you exploded. We didn't explode.

1048
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:45,760
Speaker 1: We exploded during the pandemic. So we never had the ratings.

1049
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: We were never a popular show. La never loved the

1050
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 1: show when we finished, Conan didn't have us all on

1051
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 1: in director's chairs, you know, like there was no late

1052
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 1: show where everyone's like, God, the public's gonna miss you.

1053
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 1: It was We weren't that show, and we knew it right.

1054
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: So season six, the show was gonna get canceled by Fox.

1055
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 1: And it wasn't like a mean cancelation. It was like

1056
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: you guys, we were good for the network. I know

1057
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: they were like launching shows off us. At the beginning,

1058
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: we had like a Tuesday night lineup, and so they

1059
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: were like, I think Liz wrote to Zobe nine and said,

1060
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: just respect, just so you guys know, they're probably going

1061
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: to cancel it simply because the numbers are terrible. But

1062
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: if we all wrote letters to Dana Walden, she does

1063
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: she wants.

1064
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 2: To be cool.

1065
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: So we all wrote personal letters saying, can we at

1066
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: least finish the season or the show? And then they

1067
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: gave us like we had to like contractually sign something

1068
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: because the guarantee is thirteen episodes and I think they're like,

1069
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: we can give you eight, right, And so we finished

1070
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: it them so by the end it was time to go.

1071
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: But we knew it was like a ship with a

1072
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: big hole in it, and that was that whole was ratings.

1073
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 2: You mentioned it during the pandemic. You Exploded became extremely

1074
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 2: successful in streaming. Now with this new rabid fan base

1075
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 2: for the show, I'll ask you the question that is

1076
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 2: super annoying that everyone asks me every forty five seconds.

1077
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 2: Would you return to it in some form if the opportunity.

1078
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: Rose, you know I've really honestly, first of all, what

1079
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: would you do?

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Speaker 2: Well, it sounds like your feelings about Liz are my

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Speaker 2: feelings about Greg. That if Greg got an idea around

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Speaker 2: it and he was a part of it, then it

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Speaker 2: would probably be an easy yes for me.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's exactly it. If Liz called and said, are

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Speaker 1: you ready to enter back into insanity, We're going to

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Speaker 1: do it as like a movie or whatever. Let's just

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Speaker 1: weird out. Let's go back to the huge hours, Let's

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Speaker 1: go back who it's like dating an old girlfriend. You're like,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot great, but like you know, things got

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Speaker 1: really weird and you know, let's go back to that

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Speaker 1: phase of life. If she's like, I fully get how

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Speaker 1: to make it work, and Zoe called and Max called

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Speaker 1: the morning Hannah and everyone's like, I'm in. If you

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Speaker 1: guys are in, I for sure would not be like

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Speaker 1: I will never revisit like sure, but it would have

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Speaker 1: to be. It couldn't start with an executive at like

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Speaker 1: Roku being like we have a way to do a

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Speaker 1: special on Roku and we're gonna throw buckets of money

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Speaker 1: at you. You go like, now, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: ruin the good thing. Nobody in that show. If you

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Speaker 1: do TV long enough, you don't need the paycheck. So no,

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Speaker 1: we can't just cash out and ruin for the audience

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Speaker 1: or take anything away. There was a loyalty to that

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Speaker 1: show from the base. We appreciate it. If it's going

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Speaker 1: to ever come back, it's got to be because create

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Speaker 1: Liz really feels like this is a story I gotta tell, right,

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Speaker 1: and then I would love to go back and be

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Speaker 1: texting all the time about Nick and battling stuff out

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Speaker 1: and figuring it out and going back to how we

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Speaker 1: shoot it and all that fun stuff.

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Speaker 2: I love that. I Uh, I literally could talk to

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Speaker 2: you forever. I have so many pages here that we

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Speaker 2: haven't even touched. I of course do want to mention

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Speaker 2: we're here to help. The podcast that you're there very

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Speaker 2: close to me appeared in literally me. It is a

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Speaker 2: lot of fun. Everybody check it out. Well, let me

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Speaker 2: ask you about the Penis Show really quickly.

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Speaker 1: Through me for a second.

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Speaker 2: I heard your kids called the Penis Show. Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Is it going to have a life somewhere else? No?

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Speaker 1: I think it's dead. I dead, Yeah, I mean it

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Speaker 1: was honestly one of those Llen our showrunner It was

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Speaker 1: fucking brilliant. Rachel Goldenberg our director of the pilot, and

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Speaker 1: the one of our EPs was great. Ben Carland was great,

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Speaker 1: one of the writers. The cast was awesome. The premise

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Speaker 1: was so fun. It took place in the nineteen seventies.

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Speaker 1: It was around a smut magazine. It was essentially the

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Speaker 1: first playgirl. Yeah, and it was I played a smut

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Speaker 1: publisher what's that bag who realized that there's an entire

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Speaker 1: market in porn that hasn't been tapped into, and that is,

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Speaker 1: let's show some hogs. Yeah, And I thought, what fun?

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Speaker 1: And I thought the writing was fun. We were on

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Speaker 1: HBO Max and then we were part of those tax

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Speaker 1: cuts where that ear where a bunch got cut off

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Speaker 1: and we were canceled, I think, and season two I

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Speaker 1: can't remember all the deed we were shooting the show.

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Speaker 1: We were just about done with two when we got

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Speaker 1: canceled and they hadn't even seen the creative And then

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Speaker 1: Stars bought us and we went there and we couldn't

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Speaker 1: promote because it came out during the strake and I

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Speaker 1: was like, you know, at a certain point, you just

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Speaker 1: gotta go. This one's not meant.

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Speaker 2: To be everything.

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Speaker 1: But they're like, okay, so you can you can't promote it,

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Speaker 1: but what you can do? And I was like, everything's

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Speaker 1: got to stop, everybody, this is madness.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I had one of those two. It was incredibly frustrating,

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Speaker 2: like you just got it's like, okay, here's a brand

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Speaker 2: new show, very different that nobody can talk about. Good luck, okay,

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Speaker 2: good luck.

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Speaker 1: And then but then the beauty of our business in

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Speaker 1: my opinion, in this era, and it's slightly changing now

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Speaker 1: post strike, but we were in a great era where

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Speaker 1: there was so much being made so that like if

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Speaker 1: you wanted to play this game, you could, and you

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Speaker 1: could experiment around and if people didn't see it and

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Speaker 1: it didn't work, because of that, there was enough to

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Speaker 1: be had. And so I was sad about that one.

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Speaker 1: But also once the strike happened, I was like, you

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Speaker 1: know when the cast is like should we all get together,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, guys, it's over, Like there's nothing. You

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Speaker 1: cannot promote it and it's on a new street, the

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Speaker 1: union rules, we got emails, it is.

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Speaker 2: What it is. Well, I know that you're going to

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Speaker 2: be creating more content one way or the other, writing, directing,

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Speaker 2: come back on. We'll talk we'll talk. Well, actually, we

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Speaker 2: should make a day to talk after the season, really,

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Speaker 2: just because I want to see your tears. I want

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Speaker 2: to see your tears. And I'm guessing now, based on

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Speaker 2: this conversation, a whole hell of a lot of excuses.

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Speaker 2: That's really, that's what I'm predicting.

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Speaker 1: After the Packers lose to the forty nine Ers in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs and I go, well, be I'm lot of

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Speaker 1: the team, as you go, No, no, it was a

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Speaker 1: missed field goal.

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Speaker 2: Jake Johnson, thank you so much. It's always good to

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Speaker 2: see you. Let's do it. Let's do it soon. I

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Speaker 2: love it all right, Thanks Jake, that was great. Thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for coming on today. And as I

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Speaker 2: said before, it has been a pleasure getting to know you. Listeners,

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Speaker 2: go listen to my episode of We're Here to Help,

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Speaker 2: and then listen to all the other episodes too. That

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Speaker 2: should give you plenty to do until next Tuesday, when

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Speaker 2: you're going to come back here with me. Understood. Awesome.

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Speaker 2: Until then, everybody, have a great week off. The Beat

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Speaker 2: is hosted and executive produced by me Brian Baumgartner, alongside

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Speaker 2: our executive producer Lang Lee. Our senior producer is Diego Tapia.

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Speaker 2: Our producers are Emily Carr and seth Olanski, and our

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Speaker 2: talent producer is Ryan Papa Zachary. Our theme song Bubble

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Speaker 2: and Squeak, performed by the one and only Creed Breadth