1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. This is the Bloomberg 2 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: Day Bake You At podcast, available every morning on Apple, 3 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:16,119 Speaker 1: Spotify or wherever you listen. It's Wednesday, the eleventh of 4 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: December here in London. 5 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 2: I'm Caroline Hepka and. 6 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 3: I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up today. London's IPO fundraising falls 7 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 3: behind Omans as low valuations and week liquidity push companies 8 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 3: to list elsewhere. 9 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 1: Bloomberg learns that the Biden administration is weighing new harsher 10 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: sanctions against Russia's lucrative oil trade. 11 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:40,639 Speaker 3: Plus surprising resilience versus Trump surprises, we bring you Bloomberg 12 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 3: Economics Outlook for the year ahead. 13 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:44,919 Speaker 1: Let's start with a roundup of our top stories. 14 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 3: London stock market now ranks worse than Oman for IPOs, 15 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 3: once irregular and the global top five. The UK is 16 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 3: now only pulling in a billion pounds a year in fundraising. 17 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 3: Bloomberg James Wilcock has more. 18 00:00:58,600 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 2: Picture the heydays. 19 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 4: If you thousand and six, when the UK IPO market 20 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 4: was a fifty billion pound juggernaut, beating New York and 21 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 4: the home for a sixth of all m and A 22 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 4: money raised that year now it's raking in just two 23 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 4: percent of that high. Far from topping the rankings comes 24 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 4: in twentieth Poor valuations and risk averse local investors are 25 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 4: seeing Britain full far behind new financial hubs in Asia 26 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 4: and the Middle East. The UK government is attempting to 27 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 4: change that with a wave of reform, but companies are 28 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 4: already moving where the money is. Forty five firms of 29 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 4: left London exchanges this year, the highest number since twenty 30 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 4: ten still listed in London. James Wallcock Bloomberg Radio. 31 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: Trade unions say the UK government's pay plans are deeply offensive. 32 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: Unison and the Rural College of Nurses are among the 33 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: groups proposing a two point eight percent pay rise for 34 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: NHS staff next year. Paul Johnson from the Institute of 35 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: Fiscal Studies says much of the anger comes from salaries 36 00:01:58,440 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: lagging behind. 37 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 2: During the cod. 38 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 5: Period, public sector workers did lose out, So what I 39 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 5: think the unions will be upset about is that's not 40 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 5: making up any of the gap that has opened up. 41 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 5: But given the constraints facing the Chancellor, I think it's 42 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 5: pretty hard to argue for more. 43 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: That was the ifs's Paul Johnson, the chance of Rachel 44 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: Reeves has said above inflation pay rises would only be 45 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 1: offered in future if they could be funded by improvements 46 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: in productivity. But the government now has to balance improving 47 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: public infrastructure and growth while reckoning with a public sector 48 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: unhappy with their pay at the risk of strike action. 49 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 3: Israel has increased its attack on military sites in Syria, 50 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 3: targeting hundreds of locations including airfields, weapons production sites, and warehousers. 51 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,119 Speaker 3: The Israeli military claims the strikes are to prevent strategic 52 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 3: weapons from falling into the hands of terrorists. Here is 53 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 3: Israeli Prime Minister Benjaminetta Niahu. 54 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,839 Speaker 6: We want releadship with new regime in Syria, but if 55 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 6: this regime allows Iran to the established it out in Syria, 56 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 6: or allows the transfer of Ranian weapons or any other 57 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 6: weapons to his wee la or a taxas sporn forcefully. 58 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 3: Net Now, whose comments came as Israel was forced to 59 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 3: deny reports its forces advanced on Syria's capital, Damascus after 60 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 3: its seizure of a buffer zone between the countries drew 61 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 3: condemnation from Arab states. Meanwhile, the leader of the rebel 62 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 3: group HTS, which toppled a sad's regime says the world 63 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 3: does not need to fear Syria. Abu Muhammad al Jaelani 64 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 3: insists the country will be rebuilt and a seeking stability, 65 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 3: not conflict. 66 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: The Biden administration is considering new sanctions on Russia's oil 67 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: trade to tighten the squeeze on the Kremlin's war machine. 68 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: Bloomberg understands that the potential measures could target foreign buyers 69 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: of Moscow's crude and its shadow fleet of tankers, which 70 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: are used to transport its oil. The US already bands 71 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: imports of russia oil, but new restrictions would upend more 72 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: than two years of policy set after Russia's invasion of 73 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: Ukraine in twenty twenty two. Now, it's hope that the 74 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: move would increase pressure on Putin before President elect Trump 75 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: takes office and gives Ukraine more leverage in any potential 76 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 1: negotiations to end the war. 77 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 3: The suspect and the fatal shooting of United Health executive 78 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 3: Brian Thompson is fighting interstate extradition to face a second 79 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 3: degree murder charge. 80 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 4: During a hearing. 81 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,919 Speaker 3: Yesterday, Luigi Mangioni's lawyer said that his client will contest 82 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 3: any request to move him from Pennsylvania, to New York. 83 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 3: Before entering the courthouse, mange Oni shouted to the press 84 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 3: about an insult to the intelligence of the American people 85 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 3: as he was physically dragged into the building. 86 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 4: Clearly out of. 87 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 3: That was Luigi Mangioni there, expressing his frustration with the 88 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 3: US healthcare system. The twenty six year old was arrested 89 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 3: in Altoona, pen Sylvania, after a five day manhunt following 90 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 3: the December fourth attack on Thompson in Manhattan. 91 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: Emmanuel Macont is aiming to name a new prime minister 92 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 1: by tomorrow as he seeks to build a coalition of moderates. 93 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: Proven understands that the French president is meeting with major 94 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: parties to former cabinet that won't immediately fall to a 95 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 1: no confidence vote. According to a close official, Macmont will 96 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: aim to avoid a new legislative election for more than 97 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: two years when his term ends, despite expectations for a 98 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: fresh vote. 99 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 2: As soon as next July. 100 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: He's under pressure to move quickly as the government's collapse 101 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: has left France without a twenty twenty five budget, and 102 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:46,239 Speaker 1: emergency legislation will be needed to keep the state going 103 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: by January. 104 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 2: Those are our top stories. 105 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 3: On the markets to quiet start this morning. As market's 106 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 3: away the USCPI report at one thirty pm. Chinese and 107 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 3: Hong Kong stocks are modestly lower. We're looking at the 108 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 3: hangsanging down by six of one percent. Investors are waiting 109 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 3: any signals of further stimulus to come from the two 110 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 3: day Central Economic Work Conference, which starts today. The US 111 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 3: dollar is trading flat. Oil prices are rising seven tenths 112 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 3: on Brent cruge to seventy two dollars and seventy cents 113 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 3: as the US is mulling new sanctions on Russia. 114 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: Now in a moment, we'll bring you more on another 115 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 1: unhappy record for London's IPO market, plus what Blueberg Economics 116 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: is expecting for next year. Yes, we're coming to that 117 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: time of the year where we're thinking about twenty twenty five. 118 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 3: With another story that caught Arry this morning, school trips 119 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,919 Speaker 3: could be a key part of the UK's reset of 120 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 3: relations with the EU. We're not sending ministers with piles 121 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 3: of school children across borders, although that's quite a fun 122 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 3: reality TV idea that I've just come up with. But 123 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 3: our colleagues Alex Wickham and Lamelegan have been reporting that 124 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 3: Kirstarmer is trying to negotiate deals with individual EU countries 125 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 3: to allow school groups to travel here using their national 126 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 3: Idea entity cards rather than having to get passports for 127 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 3: their journeys as they now have they currently have to. 128 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 3: So France in the UK already have one of these arrangements. 129 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 3: The governments now are talking to Germany about a similar one. 130 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 3: This is the idea is that, you know, because there's 131 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 3: been this huge drop on the number of school childs 132 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 3: who've been able to travel to the UK. 133 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: It's from down by about a third actually from Europe, 134 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: and it's very very lucrative. It brings in lots of 135 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: tourism pounds. But you know, every increase in costs for 136 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: schools is quite a big deal. I mean, the average 137 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: cost in the UK for going abroad is sort of 138 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: at least about four hundred pounds, goes up sometimes it's 139 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: two thousand pounds. So when there's added friction in terms 140 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: of passports, that makes it more difficult. And yeah, the 141 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: UK wants a bit of that tourism pie. 142 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, indeed, that's one of the areas that we're watching 143 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 3: this morning. Let's bring you more now though on our 144 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 3: top story, around the UK's place in global IPO rankings. 145 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 3: Fundraising for public offerings dropped by some nine percent this year, 146 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 3: on top of what was already a pretty unhappy track 147 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 3: record for the London market in recent years. We've got 148 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 3: our deals reporters with the GOP on with us for 149 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 3: more this morning. Good morning to you. So that the 150 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 3: UK now ranked below Oman, Luxembourg and Malaysia in terms 151 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 3: of fundraising? Is the situation as bad as it sounds? 152 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 7: Unfortunately, Yes, it's every bit as bad as it sounds. 153 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 7: London used to be one of the premier listing destinations 154 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 7: in the world, right, It used to be in set 155 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 7: of the top five venues globally. Now it's at about 156 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,239 Speaker 7: number twenty. We haven't had any large listings this year 157 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 7: here either. We haven't had a single deal raise more 158 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 7: than say, two hundred million dollars. Compare this to even 159 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 7: markets in the Middle East, where billion dollar listings are 160 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 7: quite common. London is beginning to look a bit dismal. 161 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 1: Indeed, Yeah, so what's gone wrong then for the UK's 162 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: IPA market. 163 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 7: It's not just one factor. There are several factors that 164 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:57,439 Speaker 7: play here. Perhaps the biggest is the decline in valuations 165 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 7: for stocks listed on the market. It's such a deep 166 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 7: discount to the US and even to munch of Europe 167 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 7: and in in the UK market tend to be more 168 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 7: risk covers. It's a market that has historically been known 169 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:16,599 Speaker 7: for healthy yields and dividend payments. This means portfolio managers 170 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 7: in London are typically sort of reluctant to back the 171 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 7: type of growth firms that tend to dominate the IPO market. 172 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 7: And then, perhaps more importantly, regional markets, especially in places 173 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 7: like the Middle East and India, have become quite robust. 174 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 7: London used to be a big destination for international firms, 175 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 7: but now many of them are just listing in their 176 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 7: home markets. 177 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 3: Is there one place in particular that sort of strong 178 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 3: competition for the type of IPOs of the UK used 179 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 3: to attract? I mean, is this really all about all 180 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 3: the money going. 181 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 4: To the US? 182 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 2: It actually is. 183 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 7: While there's a lot more competition now from regional markets globally, 184 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 7: the biggest competitor is still in New York. Global capitalist 185 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 7: pool there and investors worldwide can access the US market, 186 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 7: which makes New York really attractive for firms seeking a 187 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 7: wide and deep investor base. A number of UK listed firms, 188 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 7: including the likes of CRH and most recently Ash died 189 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 7: this week, have said them moving their primary listings to 190 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 7: New York and even more worryingly, perhaps large homegrown UK 191 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 7: firms continue to flock to the US. We had ARM 192 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 7: most recently choose New York over London for its IPO. 193 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 7: Now this fear that fintech Revolute will follow suit. 194 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: Yes, so can anything be done to revive the market 195 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: in London? 196 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 7: UK authorities are very much sort of cognizant of the 197 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 7: problem and they are taking active steps. We saw the 198 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 7: biggest overhaul of listing rules this year. It was the 199 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 7: biggest in same more than three decades or so. The 200 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 7: new labor government is also more broadly looking at scrapping 201 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 7: regulation that hinders economic growth. But if you speak to 202 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 7: executives in the city, if we speak to bankers and executives, 203 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 7: they say other changes are needed. It's not just about 204 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 7: listing rules. One sort of challenge that's often cited is 205 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 7: around exec pay. 206 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 2: Pay for top. 207 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 7: Executives in the US is many times higher than in 208 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 7: the UK, which means UK firms also find it difficult 209 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 7: to compete for top talent. The second is to create 210 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,959 Speaker 7: sort of a more robust investing culture in the UK 211 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 7: help narrow the valuation discount that is plague the market. This, 212 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 7: the idea is, could be done by sort of compelling 213 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 7: pension funds and retail investors to put more money into 214 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 7: the London market itself rather than internationally. But that's not 215 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 7: an easy task. 216 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 3: Of course, no indeed, and kind of a major one 217 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 3: to be tackled down the line as well. For now, Sweeter, 218 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 3: thanks so much for joining us kapinat there are Deals reporter. 219 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 7: Now. 220 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: The global economy is set for another year of SETI, 221 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: but on spectacular growth. That is according to the latest 222 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: look from Bloomberg Economics, which also points to risks of 223 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: a slowing labor market in the US and political uncertainty 224 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: in Europe. Joining US now as our chief europe economist 225 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: Jamie Rush for more on this, Jamie, good morning. Is 226 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: this a relatively optimistic outlook given all the uncertainty when 227 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 1: it comes to economic growth? 228 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 8: Well, in I guess you could. You could say it's optimistic, 229 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 8: and there's certainly lots of uncertainty, but I think there 230 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 8: are some reasons to imagine that when Trump gets into 231 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 8: office in January he may be a little bit more 232 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 8: cautious than he's sounded on the campaign trail. First, he's 233 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 8: got moderate voices in his administration, so there are people 234 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 8: who are going to be a position to power who 235 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,599 Speaker 8: don't want the world economy to get to hell and 236 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 8: a handcock. If you look at his record the first 237 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 8: time around, and I'm not saying that's the perfect guide 238 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 8: we'll all do the second time around, but you can 239 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 8: see that they're actually very careful in the way they 240 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 8: designed the tariffs. So if you look at the list 241 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 8: of goods and services or goods that were tariffed in 242 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 8: the first first round and first trade War, you'll see 243 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 8: it was targeted really heavily on intermediate goods, on capital goods, 244 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 8: things that when you import them, you can spread the 245 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 8: costs of the tariff across the whole economy. What he 246 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 8: didn't do was put massive tariffs on iPads and consumption 247 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 8: goods more broadly, So this will limit the inflation impact. 248 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 8: If he goes around that route again, which we think 249 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 8: he will, then they will be relatively modest consequences globally. 250 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 8: And so I think these are all reasons to imagine 251 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 8: that he might be careful You've also got the discipline 252 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 8: of the market, right, So if he puts massive tariffs 253 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 8: on imports from China, that's going to destroy supply chains 254 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 8: for some of America's biggest companies, and he doesn't like 255 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 8: them stock market selling off. He's not going to go 256 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 8: on a massive fiscal expansion, probably because he'll face the 257 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 8: much higher yield in. 258 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 2: The bomb market. 259 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 8: So I think there are some things which will constrain him. 260 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 8: And if that's the case, then the global economy may 261 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 8: hold up just about. 262 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, So that's the the US and the global picture. 263 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 3: What about the UK. What's your outlook there? 264 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 5: Well? 265 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 8: I think the UK, I mean, growth is going to 266 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 8: be relatively slow, sort of like a one and a 267 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 8: half percent. We have the boost from the from physical 268 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 8: from everyone talks about the next stuff for the UK, 269 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 8: which is the tax on jobs, which is which is 270 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 8: going up. But there is a big fiscal loosening relative 271 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 8: to what was planned and they are going to spend 272 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 8: the next for forty billion pounds. So I think he 273 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 8: had that sort of that sort of boost from higher 274 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 8: spending in the in the economy set against the you know, 275 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 8: the the broader uncertainties that the world economy faces, of course, 276 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 8: of which Trump Trump is the number one probably so 277 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 8: I think. I mean the UK is looking like it's 278 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 8: going to grow slightly faster than the Eurozone, not as 279 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 8: fast as the US. 280 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, what about Europe more broadly, I mean there's lots 281 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: of concern about the politics in France. 282 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 2: Are still German economy. 283 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 8: Yes, well, there is now a vacuum at the heart 284 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 8: of Europe, so we don't have a stable French government. 285 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 8: We don't have a German government, and we won't until 286 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 8: potentially until the middle of next year. It takes time 287 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 8: for coalitions to be formed. So the EU is basically 288 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 8: without much leadership and certainly no coherent, cohesive leadership, which 289 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 8: isn't where you want to be when you're when you've 290 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 8: got difficult decisions to make about trade and how to 291 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 8: position yourself with China, and of course we have serious problems. Germany, 292 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 8: as we all know, faces a real challenge to its 293 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 8: business model. We've done a lot of work on that. 294 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 8: We think that GDP is about five percent below where 295 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 8: it would have been had it carried on on pre 296 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 8: pandemic trends, and you can thank a slower China and 297 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 8: of the energy crisis and the long term increasing energy 298 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 8: costs for those for those shortfalls by and large, So 299 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 8: how do you tackle them? Well, they're not easy to fix. 300 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 8: You can't. We can't suddenly to be very difficult to 301 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 8: suddenly fix the energy pulsing in Germany, and you know 302 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 8: there's nothing they can do about China. So I think 303 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 8: the question for the next administration in Germany is are 304 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 8: they going to finally reform their fiscal rules, their debt 305 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 8: break which prevents them from borrowing anything even to invest 306 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 8: for their own futures. And if we see some reform there, 307 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 8: that maybe a change. 308 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 3: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe. You're a morning brief on 309 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 3: the stories making news from London to Wall Streets and beyond. 310 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: Look for us on your podcast speed every morning, on Apple, 311 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: Spotify and anywhere else you get your podcasts. 312 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 3: You can also listen live each morning on London DAB Radio, 313 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 3: the Bloomberg Business app, and Bloomberg dot Com. 314 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: Our flagship New York station is also available on your 315 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: Amazon Alexa devices. Just say Alexa play Bloomberg eleven thirty. 316 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 2: I'm Caroline Hepka and I'm Stephen. 317 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 3: Carol Join us again tomorrow. Morning. For all the news 318 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 3: you need to start your day right here on Bloomberg Daybreak. 319 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 3: Europe