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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress. Hello friends,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Work in Progress. Today we are joined

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Speaker 1: by an actor that I am such an enormous fan of.

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Speaker 1: You likely know him from his award nominated role as

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Speaker 1: Luke Bankole in Hulu's groundbreaking drama series The Handmaid's Tale.

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Speaker 1: I was obsessed with his character in Presumed Innocent alongside

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Speaker 1: Jake jillen Hal, Ruth Naga, and Peter Sarsgard. And he

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Speaker 1: was absolutely hysterical in Loot alongside Maya Rudolph, and amazing

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Speaker 1: on Netflix's No Good Deed with Lisa Krudiro, Ray Romano

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Speaker 1: and Dennis Leary. Ot is here today to talk about art,

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Speaker 1: the last season of The Handmaid's Tale, politics, parenthood, and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. And I'm going to have to pick

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Speaker 1: his brain about what it was like to play former

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Speaker 1: President Barack Obama. Let's jump in with Otfat Bentley.

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Speaker 2: How we baseball capt it?

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Speaker 1: We sure did? I love it? I should have thrown

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Speaker 1: my Dodgers hat on.

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Speaker 3: Someone closes a gift.

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Speaker 2: I don't know anything about baseball.

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Speaker 1: Baseball for me is really more about going with friends

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Speaker 1: and like getting the hot dog in the beer and

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Speaker 1: having the experience.

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Speaker 2: I'm not good in.

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Speaker 3: Public, like big lots of people, like lots of people

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Speaker 3: around it. I'm not I'm such a humbody. I never

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Speaker 3: I never really get out very much. I'm a big

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Speaker 3: basketball fan, and even like every now and then, like

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Speaker 3: some opportunity to go watch your game will come up

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Speaker 3: and I'll be like, I'm good in my garage right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you can.

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Speaker 1: You can see it better on ESPN. Anyway, this is

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know what the advance.

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Speaker 3: I ate uncomfortable seats, you don't get to zee all

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Speaker 3: the angles, I don't know where my glasses I'm squinting.

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Speaker 1: Well, what we're going to have to do at some

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Speaker 1: point is get you to a Liberty game so you

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Speaker 1: can see the Girlies play, because Barclay Stadium for that

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Speaker 1: team is the most fun I ever have in a crowd.

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Speaker 1: And I don't love a crowd either.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I have not seen the Liberty play, but I've

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Speaker 3: seen plenty of ladies basketball.

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Speaker 2: My sister's in the w tell me, yeah, yeah, she's Oh.

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Speaker 3: My goodness, it's not an overstatement to say that she

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Speaker 3: is the most decorated British basketball player man or woman

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Speaker 3: of all time.

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Speaker 1: Wow. I thought I was going to ask you all

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Speaker 1: about your shows today, and here I am being like,

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Speaker 1: what's what's it like to be the brother of one

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Speaker 1: of the goats? How does that feel?

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Speaker 2: It feels great.

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Speaker 3: I remember the first time because we I cover a

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Speaker 3: basketball in family, and I remember the first time, like

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Speaker 3: she took me down into the post and like, you know,

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Speaker 3: like gating the old elbow and like made him lay

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Speaker 3: up on me. And I was like, oh, okay, when

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Speaker 3: your little sister can dunk, it's a great thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. We used to play outdoor basketball lot and we

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Speaker 2: I take it.

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Speaker 3: You know, we go down to the outdoor court and

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Speaker 3: there one day in particular, I remember that she was

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Speaker 2: Moves on him. It's one of the happiest moments in

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Speaker 2: my life.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, what a vibe. Yeah, that feels like

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Speaker 1: the next you know, Nike Adidas commercial getting ready to go.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's true. I should pitch it right one.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'll direct that all right, this is actually

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Speaker 1: a perfect segue. Well, first, where are you today? Where

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Speaker 1: are you in the world right now?

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Speaker 3: I'm in my garage in la in yeah, West Adams.

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Speaker 1: Okay, cool? Oh, I love it. Yeah, I went to

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Speaker 1: USC so I'll where then I grew it. Well, I

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Speaker 1: went for a BFA in theater, all right, and everyone

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Speaker 1: was great, by the way, But I you know, at eighteen,

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Speaker 1: I think this is really starting to make me a

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Speaker 1: crazy self conscious person. And so I wound up shifting

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Speaker 1: I loved it because, in this weird way, what it

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Speaker 1: how does it feel grounded? How does it feel real?

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Speaker 1: Every one of these stories should be the sort of

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Speaker 1: like anybody's life can can be looked at like that.

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Speaker 1: So it gave me this balance that I think I needed.

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Speaker 1: You're a drama kid too, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well I find drama kid. But basically, yes, I think

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Speaker 3: I started drama classes when I was around ten and

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Speaker 3: then and then I was going to go study economics

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Speaker 3: can get to drama school, which is a very unlikely

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Speaker 3: thing to happen, to be honest, because in England back then,

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Speaker 3: back in my day, they basically would like audition like

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Speaker 3: so the odds one great. Yeah, and so I didn't

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Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, I guess this is now

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Speaker 2: So we almost went we went different ways.

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Speaker 2: And I did the opposite.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's so funny. All right. So that's interesting

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Speaker 1: because I always wonder, you know, I sit across from

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Speaker 1: somebody like you, and people know your work, they've watched you,

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Speaker 1: they have relationships with you based on you know, series

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Speaker 1: or films or theater even and I'm always really curious

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Speaker 1: if we went back in time, you know, maybe to

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Speaker 1: if you got to hang out with yourself when you

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Speaker 1: were nine or ten years old, now, do you think

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Speaker 1: you'd see the man you are today and that kid?

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Speaker 1: Do you think you guys would have so much to

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Speaker 1: kind of go? Ah, I get it. I see how

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Speaker 2: You know what?

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Speaker 3: And this is I don't know how many of your

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Speaker 3: listeners have this, but I don't have a good sense

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Speaker 3: of myself as a child. I don't have a very

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Speaker 3: good memory for back then. I have scattered pieces, and

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Speaker 3: so I feel quite disassociated with my younger self. And

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Speaker 3: it sounds weird to say, but my relationship with my

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Speaker 3: find it's very untutored to think that's me. I don't

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Speaker 3: But I don't, you know, it's not completely like that,

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Speaker 3: always curious and hungry to ask I was my mom,

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Speaker 3: checks out. It seems like there was no news departure.

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Speaker 3: There was there was consistency, even though there isn't like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I get that. It's funny. I have that conversation

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Speaker 1: when they go, what you don't remember this? And I'm like, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you going to remember? Are you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly a lot of them remember to talk

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Speaker 3: But it is interesting just going, oh, you know what

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Speaker 3: And also, you know when adults say to you like, oh,

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Speaker 1: It's like the thing you would never want to say

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Speaker 1: think about it when you piss. Of course you don't.

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Speaker 1: fascinating what you're saying. You know that the reality that

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Speaker 1: to have littles in your life. My partner's kids are

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Speaker 1: based on what they watch, the ways they develop, what

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Speaker 1: It's like, I can't believe we were ever that small. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then you look around and go, holy shit, now

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I know the development of consciousness.

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Speaker 3: Like one of the things that came to me watching

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Speaker 3: my kid grow up is that, like, actually, preference is

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Speaker 3: a huge part of personality. Do I like the blue

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Speaker 1: Do you think that those early experiences helped keep you

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Speaker 1: focused in a way or do you think you just

440
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Speaker 1: had that sort of young person's determination that I think

441
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Speaker 1: we all had to have to survive to get here.

442
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Speaker 3: I mean, look, I don't know, really I know how

443
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Speaker 3: to answer that. I am a pretty driven person and

444
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,160
Speaker 3: I find it hard to be too idle for too long,

445
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 3: and so I'm going to put my energies into something.

446
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 2: And there is a point where I could give up acting.

447
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 3: Like where I was like, Okay, well it's just not working,

448
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,879
Speaker 3: and I need to be able to be self sufficient

449
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 3: and you know, I've a big bird, and stolen is

450
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:02,400
Speaker 3: not working, and.

451
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:03,199
Speaker 2: So I give it. You know.

452
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 3: So there is stuff I could have faced which could

453
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 3: have turned me back, but it would be a pretty

454
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 3: high mounted and so and also I didn't have.

455
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Speaker 2: For most of my career up to that point. When

456
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 2: I turned thirty, I would just do anything.

457
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 3: In the children's theater I did, and I did THEATA

458
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,640
Speaker 3: in old people's homes I did, you know, like and

459
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 3: so the most important thing for I was doing shorts

460
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 3: that I was paying to be part of. I was

461
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 3: doing class. I was still doing acting classes, like I

462
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 3: was very I was always involved and engaged creatively, and

463
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Speaker 3: I think that helps not become too disillusioned, because if

464
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 3: you can become completely divorced from your creative outlets, then

465
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 3: I think that that can feel like a death.

466
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a beautiful way to think about it. What

467
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Speaker 1: was it like auditioning then for The Handmaid's Tale? Because

468
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 1: now your seven season you know the show is seven

469
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 1: seasons in, which is so crazy? Yeah, and yeah, how

470
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Speaker 1: did it? Did you know then? But because it was

471
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: an adaptation of the book, like did it already feel

472
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 1: it like it was going to be a really big deal?

473
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 1: Was it nerve wracking or or did you have that

474
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: that sort of energy on and go, No, I know

475
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 1: this is for me.

476
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Speaker 3: Oh I know really, I know when when I can

477
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 3: do a part like the times I read it and

478
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 3: be like, I'm going to do my thing on that.

479
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 3: Now you may not want my thing, but I'm going

480
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 3: to get to do my thing on this. And but anyway,

481
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 3: all that to be said, look, you had lots of

482
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 3: people face us now and you put yourself on tape

483
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 3: and it's like it's thrown into the ocean and just

484
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 3: like never hear anything back and you're.

485
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 1: Like the weirdest.

486
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

487
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 3: And so this was just another self tape that I

488
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 3: was doing. And I had a great actress friend of mine,

489
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 3: Nikki and kummer Bird, who put me on tape. And

490
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 3: she's great because she's a person just like make me

491
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Speaker 3: do another take and another take, another thing, evenough I'm

492
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 3: like I.

493
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Speaker 2: Think we've got it, just do another one and changes.

494
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Speaker 2: So I had that and anyway I sent it out.

495
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Speaker 3: One thing that I did have though, is that read Marana,

496
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Speaker 3: who was the director I'd worked with actually the DP

497
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Speaker 3: on on a little I've done before, and so I

498
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 3: kind of had reached out to her.

499
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Speaker 2: And I think sometimes lots of those.

500
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 3: Kind of like cross but you know, they can cross

501
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 3: pollination that can help something go. But when I was

502
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 3: offered it, Lizy Moss wasn't who Lizzie Moss is now,

503
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 3: you know.

504
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Speaker 2: And Hulu wasn't what it is now, I mean if he.

505
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Speaker 3: Past remember, but Hulu won the very first Emmy for

506
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Speaker 3: Best Drama Series. So so with Handmade's Tales, so I

507
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 3: e before then they were not on the map.

508
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Speaker 2: They were they were nowhere, so far from like feeling like,

509
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 2: oh this is the one to be honest. When I

510
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 2: first got offered it, I was like, okay, great, and I.

511
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 3: Said to my agent, so nothing, nothing else, right, We're

512
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 3: definitely sure.

513
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Speaker 2: This is great great. I was happy about it. It

514
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:51,959
Speaker 2: was great source of material.

515
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Speaker 3: I wanted to work with Read again because she's extraordinary,

516
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 3: but there was no sense of what it would be

517
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Speaker 3: or how long it would go or anything like that.

518
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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh what a trip. I'm such a fan of

519
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: Reads as well. It's cool to hear.

520
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 2: That you guys work together.

521
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what is it? What is it like now?

522
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you know the show, you're preparing for it

523
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: to come to an end, and obviously the whole dynamic,

524
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: as you said, of the show and the streaming platform

525
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: itself and all of it has exploded and changed. Is

526
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: it bittersweet? You know? I imagine part of you is

527
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: ready for the next thing, for more freedom, But then

528
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: it's also this incredible thing you've all been doing in

529
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: this cultural phenomenon and this reflection on society, and like

530
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 1: it's big.

531
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. You know what?

532
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Speaker 3: Because I asked this question, variations of it quite a lot,

533
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 3: and I guess my intuitions about it seemed to be

534
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 3: different from what the question implies, which is that I

535
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 3: don't have much of a sense of it ending, which

536
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 3: is I mean, number one, my last day on set

537
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 3: was five months ago, you know or whatever, six months

538
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 3: like and so, and since then, I've I've worked on

539
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 3: three other projects and I was working on another you.

540
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 2: Know, so so so the sense of Okay, what they

541
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 2: did it end? Well, it kind of ended six months ago.

542
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 3: But but in a weird way, I don't feel it's

543
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 3: ending because I feel like what it is for me

544
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 3: is the experiences I've had with the cast and the crew,

545
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 3: the experience I've had growing as an artist with the material.

546
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 2: And so that's what it is. And so that is

547
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: with me, like that glan end.

548
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 3: And so look the paycheck I got on the last thing, Okay,

549
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 3: that's gonna I'm gonna have to find a new paycheck.

550
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 3: And so when I missed the guaranteed that, yeah, I

551
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 3: can miss that. But that's not what people are talking

552
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 3: about when it's like a you're gonna miss it and

553
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 3: and so.

554
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Speaker 2: And for me, I honest I haven't watched most of

555
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 2: the show.

556
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: And because you've been making it, I've been.

557
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 2: Making and I and that's my relationship with it.

558
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 3: My relationship is with the scripts and with the cast

559
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 3: and the crew and the sets and so so.

560
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 2: So the thing that I like to think, will I

561
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 2: miss it? Like this?

562
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 3: Coolzzy? I mean, I was just texting with Amanda yesterday

563
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 3: like I'm gonna really miss them, and I'm hopefully we'll

564
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 3: do other projects together. And sometimes it's two years before

565
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 3: Handmad's seasons. So anyway, I guess all of us to

566
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 3: say is that my there is in me personally, there's

567
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 3: no sense of morning. There's great gratitude.

568
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 2: We did it. We did it. You know what was itever?

569
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 2: You know? Okay, great, so it ended well, that's the best.

570
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true. It's really beautiful. And I think it

571
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: is interesting to think about because it is a streaming show.

572
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: To your point, the end is much longer. It's not

573
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: like you're finishing a season of a crime drama on

574
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: CBS and then three weeks later the finale airs and

575
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: you're still moving out of your apartment and then it's

576
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: over forever. Like you get a much longer tail with

577
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: something like this. It's cool. Yeah, was it a neat

578
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: thing in these latter years, not just working with Lizzie

579
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: you know who you talk about being so exceptional. I

580
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: imagine you built such an intimacy and a rapport as

581
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: you know, castmates, coworkers' friends with her playing your wife.

582
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: But in the end, to circle back to our Queen

583
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: Bee theory, she also started directing. What was that like,

584
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: you know, to get to expand your creative relationship with

585
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: each other while she was in the director's chair.

586
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 2: Well, when she first started, you know, the sense of

587
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 2: it is that you just want to support her, You

588
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: want her to win, and there is a real camaraderie

589
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 2: amongst the cast and crew, like we are here for

590
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 2: each other, we're here for the material and like, so.

591
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 3: Lizi's directing, great, how can we support you in this

592
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 3: times out?

593
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: She didn't need our.

594
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,479
Speaker 3: Support, Cocau. She was just an absolute natural and nailed

595
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 3: it visually. And I think, you know, with the actors

596
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 3: and stuff, and what I come came to find is

597
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 3: that I had some of my best performances with her

598
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 3: as director because she kind of understood my process as

599
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 3: an actor. And it's like, I don't know, it's stupid stuff,

600
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 3: Like very often my best take is after I feel

601
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 3: like they've directed, has got what they want, you know,

602
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 3: my people, please I'm just like you, and then you

603
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 3: tell me okay, well then you could do anything. And

604
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 3: then and very often it's then when something will catch.

605
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 3: And so she knows me well enough almost that she's

606
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 3: almost like quite early on, she kind of pushes me

607
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 3: to be a bit more better, and so lots of

608
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 3: little nuanced type things like that where she can help

609
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 3: people out the best of me.

610
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Speaker 2: It's great work with it.

611
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: I love that, And it's really nice to hear, not

612
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: just hear you, I mean i'm you know, for our

613
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: listener friends out there in the ethers. I get to

614
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: look at you while we're talking as well, and it's

615
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: nice to see the way your face lights up when

616
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: you talk about that creative relationship and the energy on

617
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: set and being seen, especially because you know, as a viewer,

618
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: as a fan, the world is so dystopian and the

619
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: experience that women in this world have with men is

620
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: by and large so terrible. It's sort of gorgeous to

621
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: hear about how nice it is for you guys as

622
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: real people. Because yes, as an actor, your job is

623
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: to service the material. You have to play the shit

624
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: out of somebody, whether it's the lead in a rom

625
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: com or a serial killer, but it can be so

626
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: heavy to I think, wade through material this grave and

627
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,719
Speaker 1: I don't know. As another actor, I'm so touched watching

628
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: you Grinn talking about how great she is and how

629
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: you guys get each other and you speak the same language,

630
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: because you know, a lot of what you have to

631
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: portray for those of us who watch you is so gnarly.

632
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: How do you make space for that? You know? How

633
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: do you Is that sort of surreal? Especially I know

634
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: you can't take it personally, you know it's not you,

635
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: but but also is it weird at moments to be

636
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: aware of, you know, being a man in that in

637
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: that version of the world.

638
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know.

639
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 3: It's hard to because I guess when I'm Luke, I'm

640
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 3: inhabiting his perspective of the world, and when I'm me,

641
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 3: and it's I sometimes get And also my processes is

642
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 3: that I when I'm acting, I always speak as like

643
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 3: I don't ever say that even me just say now

644
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 3: when I'm Luke, my Nuttings can say I like I

645
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 3: do this my wife's you know, like that's the So

646
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 3: it's hard sometimes for me to differentiate.

647
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 2: So it's like, oh, me and the world of handmaids

648
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: and me.

649
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 3: Out the world of having I guess look the overall

650
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 3: and Tom stomachs this Do's answer your question is just

651
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 3: that I try and stay woke. I try and say

652
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 3: informed about like what's going on in the world. But

653
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 3: my energies and focus go to where are the places

654
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 3: that I have levers of influence? Where can I make

655
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 3: this this issue a little bit better?

656
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 2: Where can I contribute here and all the rest.

657
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Speaker 3: I just try not to keep on my shoulders too

658
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 3: much and so sore. When I'm doing the scene, I'm

659
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 3: not thinking about, Wow, you know overall what is it regime?

660
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 3: And and you know the how the don downtrodden and

661
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 3: how our society is like affected by race and class

662
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Speaker 3: and gender and sex.

663
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Speaker 2: And I'm just like, you know, what is going on

664
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Speaker 2: in this scene right now between me and this person.

665
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Speaker 3: And and for me personally as an actor. You know,

666
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 3: I played mccutio right, and Macushio gets stabbed in the

667
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 3: stomach and then dies bleeds out, knowing he's going to

668
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 3: die young and miss the rest of his life.

669
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Speaker 2: Oh so fun. It's so fun.

670
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Speaker 1: I bet that was gorgeous, So you.

671
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Speaker 3: Know, so it's the same acting in the hand, mad sow.

672
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 2: I've gotta weep. Your daughter has been taken from you. Oh, oh,

673
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 2: how tasty? Give me more? Yes, yes, yes, you know

674
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 2: I'm not going away. Oh my heart, it's broken. Oh

675
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 2: the fathers who have lost daughters.

676
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Speaker 1: Nah.

677
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Speaker 3: I'm like, my job is like in the moment when

678
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Speaker 3: I'm doing it, you know, I'm met the d you know.

679
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 3: And so it's hard emotionally, but ultimately as a person,

680
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 3: I don't go home and have bad dreams about it.

681
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I always think the balance of that is

682
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: sort of fascinating, because our job is to shut out

683
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Speaker 1: the rest of the world and just be as present

684
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Speaker 1: as possible. As you said in the scene, in the moment,

685
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: every day you got to do the thing, and and

686
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: I think there's something so freeing about that. But it's

687
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: also got to be kind of crazy to look at,

688
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: as you said, to be conscious of what's happening in

689
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Speaker 1: the world. Have you ever had a day where you

690
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 1: see a news story or some insane thing is going

691
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: on and you're like, are we manifesting the bad guys?

692
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 2: Like?

693
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Speaker 1: What what's happening? I would imagine maybe obviously you've got

694
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 1: to focus when you're on set, but like when you're

695
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 1: on hiatus and you see what's going on in the world,

696
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: are you just like, uh, oh.

697
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Speaker 2: Boy, you know what?

698
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 3: Yes, is the simple answer. But I think I take

699
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 3: the real world so much more seriously than I do

700
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 3: the art that it's like the the art is like

701
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 3: I don't know, a low resolution similarly a rhyme of reality.

702
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 3: And so I'm much more engaged in like reality. And

703
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 3: so yes, oh, it's interesting that there is a poem

704
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 3: about what's going on right now. But but if I

705
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 3: read an article now, I'm not I'm not really thinking

706
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 3: about handmaids. I'm thinking about oh, oh gosh, my daughter,

707
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 3: you know, what kind of rights would be available to

708
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 3: how and and and to be honest, I also I

709
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 3: try and remind myself that I think it's very very

710
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 3: easy to become very America centric in terms of like

711
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 3: what's going on. And you know, I've done quite a

712
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 3: lot of charity work, and I mean I've not done

713
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Speaker 3: a lot of charity work.

714
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Speaker 2: I take that back.

715
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 3: I've got a charity where we've done some work, and

716
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 3: most of my focus has been on women young girls

717
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 3: in Africa and particularly in Zimbabwe, Tanzania and Nigeria and.

718
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 2: It's like, so, so.

719
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Speaker 3: When I'm dealing with like the specificities of that, it's

720
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 3: kind of not connected to you know, you're figuring out, Okay, well,

721
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 3: how can we help facilitate micro loans for farmers in Zimbabwe?

722
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Speaker 2: Where is a different type.

723
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Speaker 3: Of like you know questions as well, So that's sometimes

724
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 3: they're not as immediately like oh my god, this is it.

725
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and now a word from our wonderful sponsors. You

726
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: reference your background and where you grew up, and you know,

727
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: whether you're working on the African continent or you have

728
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: the English part of your history, or you're working in

729
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 1: America or you're filming in Canada, it's like there is

730
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Speaker 1: there is such a I think there's a beautiful gift

731
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Speaker 1: about coming from multicultural backgrounds. And I think one of

732
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: the greatest gifts of what we get to do as

733
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 1: actors is that we get to live everywhere. Everyone becomes

734
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Speaker 1: our neighbor, and you really do get to sort of

735
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 1: learn so much about people in society, and you know,

736
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Speaker 1: for me, leaning into knowing how my dad was raised

737
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 1: in Canada, knowing how my mom's family in Italy grew up,

738
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Speaker 1: knowing how like you know, seeing the differences in their

739
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: experience versus my experience growing up in America. It gives

740
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Speaker 1: me a lens on how to remember how big the

741
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: world is. And also then I can't help but pay

742
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 1: attention when I'm like, oh, look, fascism is rising everywhere.

743
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 4: But you know, we've had the elections in Australia and

744
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 4: the elections in Canada so lovely, you know, And so

745
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 4: I think, you know, I try as much.

746
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Speaker 3: I can get kind of like apocalyptic in my thinking,

747
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 3: and I do try, and like, yeah, just remember you

748
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 3: know when I go everything's going to fascism.

749
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Speaker 2: I no, no, no, no, no, no. Look you can always you know.

750
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Speaker 1: Well, And I think service can really help you reprogram

751
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 1: your brain to always look for the helpers, to always

752
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 1: look for who's who's doing the.

753
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Speaker 2: Good thing, always looking at the helpers.

754
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Speaker 1: Isn't that the helpers?

755
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Speaker 2: But that's my conference like American show mister Rogers.

756
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Speaker 3: Rogers, we never had mister Rogers, but I played something

757
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 3: for my son and we were looking for like good TV.

758
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Speaker 2: And I remember this thing about like looking out for

759
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 2: the help of this kind of thing.

760
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Speaker 1: Yeah, mister Rogers he was. He was like kind of gangster,

761
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: this sweet old man who wore his cute cardigans, which,

762
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 1: by the way, it turned out his mom made for him.

763
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: Oh wow, like just so utterly precious. Was really he

764
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: was kind of a gentle revolutionary. He was very pro equity,

765
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Speaker 1: and he took a lot of leaps and bounds on

766
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: TV that no one else was and he did it

767
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 1: with that sweet little old man face and voice. And

768
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Speaker 1: as I learn, as I've learned more about him over

769
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Speaker 1: the years, and even his fight for PBS, I'm like, damn,

770
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Speaker 1: I wish I could have bought mister Rogers a beer.

771
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Speaker 1: Probably doesn't even drink beer what I had to buy

772
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Speaker 1: a couple of days.

773
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Speaker 3: Tell me, are you more optimistic or pessimistic about the world, Like,

774
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Speaker 3: let's just give it the next ten years?

775
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Speaker 1: If I am being pragmatic and I have to work

776
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Speaker 1: on that because I people, I think, because I am

777
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Speaker 1: a fighter for justice, people who don't know me well

778
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: assume that I'm always angry about something, and I'm like, no,

779
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: I'm actually wildly optimistic, to the point that it's been

780
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Speaker 1: a bit dangerous. So I try to be very communicative

781
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Speaker 1: about reality so people can know how to organize. Sitting

782
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Speaker 1: in that pragmatism, I think it's going to get a

783
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: lot worse before it gets better, which makes me sad.

784
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Speaker 1: But I also believe that there is that we are

785
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Speaker 1: in a moment of a shift where people really are

786
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Speaker 1: being touched by the reality that there are so many

787
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Speaker 1: more of us than there are of the oligarchs. You know.

788
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Speaker 1: The fact that we've had the you know, here in

789
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: the US, we've had the theft of a trillion dollars

790
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Speaker 1: from the working class to eighteen billionaires in the last

791
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Speaker 1: ten years is pretty terrifying. And I'm afraid for people

792
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: who will suffer in ways that that sort of oligarchy

793
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: class can't even fathom because they've never had to go without,

794
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: they've never had to make certain kinds of choices. And

795
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: I worry about people, but people want to help each other,

796
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: and I think as as we see what's coming, I'm

797
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: really hoping that the opportunity that it felt like we

798
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: kind of squandered when the pandemic hit, and we really

799
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 1: had a chance to make some great shifts, especially in

800
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: terms of public health and especially in terms of the

801
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: way we show up for each other. We got more isolated, sadly,

802
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: and I think people are realizing the effects of that

803
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: and the radicalization that happened and all of these things.

804
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 1: And my hope for us, this is where the optimist

805
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: comes out, is I'm like, we're better together people. I

806
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: really do think people are good. I think fear can

807
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: make us cruel, But when you really start to see

808
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: your neighbor, spend time with your neighbor, everything changes. And

809
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: I don't think we're as different as a lot of

810
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: folks would like us to believe. And I really hope

811
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: that what's happening now is kind of lifting this veil

812
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: for a lot of people. I definitely, I definitely feel

813
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: like I'm seeing it in certain ways, and I'm just hoping.

814
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: I'm hoping it doesn't take us the lessons that it

815
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: took one hundred years ago to come back to each

816
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: other because they were brutal and horrible and awful. I'm

817
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: really hoping that we can do better because we know

818
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: more now. But I guess we'll see. How do you feel?

819
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Speaker 3: That's a great answer, much better than anything I'm about

820
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 3: to say. The sure, Well, how do I feel? In

821
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Speaker 3: terms of do I feel optimistic about the next ten years?

822
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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's optimistic or pessimistic, Just how

823
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Speaker 1: do you feel and maybe where do you want to live?

824
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Speaker 2: I know that's a good question.

825
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 3: I I feel, like my senses that we live in

826
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Speaker 3: very revolutionary times and the rate of change and progress

827
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Speaker 3: and potential for damage that there's there's huge variability when

828
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 3: I kind of try and assess like the probability distribution

829
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Speaker 3: of the future, and so it's hard to say, really.

830
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 3: I mean, in particular, I think, you know, the administration

831
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Speaker 3: that we have is is like strangely, you know, I

832
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 3: don't minicine in a necessarily good way, but not any

833
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 3: way revolutionary in the terms of it's just changing really

834
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 3: hard and fast. A lot of a lot of things

835
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Speaker 3: that have been like kind of set in place, and

836
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 3: how much damage or even potential progress in various areas

837
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 3: is so unknown, and it feels like that and then

838
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 3: we've got a long, you know, runway for that to

839
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 3: kind of all play out. And then on the other hand,

840
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 3: and that there's like AI, which I think, you know,

841
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 3: I think has the danger of being under hyped. I

842
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 3: think the ways in which AI may change our societies

843
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 3: over the next decade are going to be quite profound,

844
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Speaker 3: and so so I'm uncertain really.

845
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Speaker 2: Which.

846
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: Me too, Me too, And it's there's things that make

847
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: me nervous, you know, in the in the sort of

848
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: theme of the show of yours we've been talking about

849
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: most I see the way AI tools are being used

850
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: at really alarming rates to abuse women and girls. And

851
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Speaker 1: I am working with some really brilliant people who are

852
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,720
Speaker 1: ringing the alarm bell about what serialized violence against women

853
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Speaker 1: and girls means as a tipping point for society.

854
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Speaker 2: Can you tell me more about how AI has been

855
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Speaker 2: used to yes.

856
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Speaker 1: So, deep fake pornography, for example, is when you consider

857
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: not just how we need to think about it, but

858
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: actually what we understand in terms of the data of

859
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Speaker 1: what it does to victims. It is the digital sex

860
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Speaker 1: trafficking and the digital rape of women and girls. It

861
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Speaker 1: is it is allowing for content that creates the same

862
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: kind of PTSD as physical assault. And it is being

863
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Speaker 1: weaponized against famous women, non famous women, neighbors, teenage girls,

864
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Speaker 1: and children. And over ninety eight percent of the victims

865
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Speaker 1: of this kind of abuse are female. And so when

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Speaker 1: you think about, you know, sexual assault being used as

867
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Speaker 1: a weapon of war, which obviously is a war crime,

868
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: but what it indicates for society, what it indicates about

869
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: the level of brutality with which you see your neighbor.

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Speaker 1: It's a tipping point for the kind of violent conflict

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Speaker 1: that should alarm all of us. And the way that

872
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: it is sort of shrugged off because it's quote digital

873
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: is also alarming because the human brain cannot tell the

874
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: difference between seeing a videotape of an assault and an

875
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: AI assault. So it is creating desensitization, It is creating memory.

876
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: When it is imported into virtual reality, it creates the

877
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 1: illusion of an experience. So what does that then do

878
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: to women and girls in the world who can be

879
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,399
Speaker 1: approached on the street by men who think they've had

880
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 1: sex with them against their will. You know, it has

881
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: really alarming ramifications, and unfortunately, companies like Meta and Google

882
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: and every tech company that we all use make a

883
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: fortune surfacing this content. And we've seen increases like in

884
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: the thousands of percent. So two years ago there were

885
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: around half a million views on this kind of content

886
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 1: and today we're seeing over four billion views a year.

887
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: So to see the explosion of it and to know

888
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: that it is currently something that we are not legislating

889
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: fast enough against is terrifying because not only is it

890
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: creating a more unsafe society for fifty one percent of

891
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: the population. But the amount of energy it takes to

892
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: assault women this way, like what it's going to do

893
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: to the planet is really scary. Now, on the other side,

894
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 1: we see incredible opportunities for AI and it's actually why

895
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: my best friend and business partner we advocate. We both

896
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: invest in what we believe to be good AI, and

897
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: we are literally advocating in Washington and in front of

898
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: Congress for protections and laws to be made about this

899
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: bad side of it. We produced a documentary about it.

900
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: It's called Another Body. You should watch it.

901
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 2: It's fabulous.

902
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: But you know, we invested in this amazing woman. You know,

903
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: she is a black woman from Detroit who realized from

904
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: an engineering background that started an automotive. She went down

905
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: this incredible rabbit hole of what AI can do. And

906
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: the best way I can kind of explain it is

907
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: if you think about a disease that medicine can't figure

908
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: out how to treat, they can't drug it, so people

909
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 1: are dying. It's basically like the disease is locked, right,

910
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: It's like a padlock and they're trying so hard to

911
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: find the key. But it can cost billions of dollars

912
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 1: and fifteen years of clinical research to find a key

913
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: that might fit the lock. She has developed a way

914
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: to essentially use AI to if you will. This is

915
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: a metaphor obviously, but imagine being able to three D

916
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: model the lock, so you can three D model the

917
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: shape of the key. So she is cutting down time

918
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: to create drugs that can save people's lives for previously

919
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 1: quote undruggable diseases with this technology. And you see AI

920
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: catching breast cancer five years before a radiologist catches it,

921
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: and all of these other wonderful things. So what worries

922
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: me about that technology is kind of what worries me

923
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: about society at large. It's like, if we're in the

924
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: twenty twenties and you compare it to the world in

925
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: the nineteen twenties, are we going to go the terrible

926
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: route of the nineteen thirties or are we going to

927
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: have a twenty thirty kind of revolution that sees community

928
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: and access and us stand up for each other or not?

929
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: And so I don't really know, but I'm hoping that

930
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: we can be smart about it, and I hope that

931
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: you know, AI can go solve diseases and we can

932
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: still make art because people need art so badly. Yeah,

933
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 1: sorry to kind of scramble your your brain.

934
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 2: Not at all.

935
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 3: I think about AI more than I think about anything

936
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 3: really really.

937
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I spend more to send you something.

938
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I definitely do.

939
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 3: I Yeah, I spend more time like trying to study

940
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 3: AI and and it's implications more than anything else I studied,

941
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 3: to be honest. So so everything I guess all you're saying,

942
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 3: and I'm just like, you know, taking in and you know, Crocess,

943
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,439
Speaker 3: I don't know, there are so many things I think

944
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 3: about everything you said, but I just don't know where

945
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 3: it starts. I'm just like, yeah, yes, thank you for that.

946
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 3: But you know, extraordinary the work that you're doing. And

947
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 3: and yeah, just like you said, we're trying.

948
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now a word from our sponsors. It's that

949
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: sort of same feeling I was talking about earlier about

950
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: the bees, where I was like, when I grow up?

951
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: And then I was like, shit, I think I'm a

952
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: grown up. You know, my my best friend and I

953
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: had this experience five years ago. We kind of looked

954
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: around and went, oh are we Oh God, were the

955
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: adults in the room. Now, Oh, we have to start.

956
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: We can't just volunteer for other people. Right now, there's

957
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: people who they want to volunteer for us. Oh god,

958
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:22,479
Speaker 1: So you know, we're definitely trying. But yeah, I think

959
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: in my in my most ideal outcome scenario, that technology

960
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: would make more space for the rest of us to

961
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 1: have more reasonable hours and also make more art.

962
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 3: I know, I really hope for this version is kind

963
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 3: of like UBI And you know, but over the last

964
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 3: thirty years, all the efficiency that we've managed to create

965
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 3: in automation and with the Internet and all of those things,

966
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 3: that all that efficiency has just gone to the oligarchs.

967
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 3: And they were e columnists who would predict that that

968
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 3: efficiency would go to labor and therefore labor would become

969
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 3: shortened and we would have more spare time, well time

970
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 3: with our family, and and it's just not the way

971
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 3: it's gone. And it makes me kind of like a

972
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 3: little pessimistic.

973
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: But ot, don't you know that they couldn't give it

974
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 1: to us because the oligarchs needed more yachts.

975
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 2: This is I mean, this is the thing, because a.

976
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 1: Fleet of yachts isn't enough. You need you need a

977
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: whole shipping yard apparently.

978
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if yours don't become enough, then you need

979
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 3: to build spaceships and so.

980
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 2: Oh my god, yeah, I mean we really do.

981
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 3: But like what what you said, you know, us coming together,

982
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 3: us finding our union, our community, and ultimately voting in representation.

983
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 3: That will because the market is great, Like you know,

984
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 3: the market is great at a bunch of stuff. It's

985
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 3: just not it's just it's just not great as some

986
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 3: things that are really important. And if we don't have

987
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 3: strong government that kind of comes and steps in to

988
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:53,760
Speaker 3: take over from the girl market, or at least affect

989
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 3: the market in ways that are going to protect labor,

990
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 3: protect people, protect working people, protect people who are from

991
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 3: disadvantaged backgrounds, and with the mercy of the builders.

992
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and that's the thing. All of the progress, however, fraud,

993
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: All of the progress that particularly are has been made

994
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: in our living generation. You know, the forward strides terrify

995
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: people who don't desire more balanced power. But I think

996
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: the more of us who can understand that if you

997
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,280
Speaker 1: have more power, so do I. If I have more power,

998
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: so do you. Like, we hopefully can affect change by

999
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, by being willing to you know, to

1000
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 1: see each other, and I guess by being willing to

1001
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 1: trust the economists. It wasn't lost on me that a

1002
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: few weeks ago, you know, when she spoke, I think

1003
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: it was in San Francisco. Kamala was like, oh, you

1004
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: mean this plan that those nineteen Nobel economists said would

1005
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: trash the economy? And mine was great, you mean this

1006
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: plan is trashing the economy. I'm not going to say

1007
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: I told you so. I needed I did, I did,

1008
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 1: I did need. Just like a moment of humor for her, Well.

1009
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 3: What's your I mean, I'm just curious what what I

1010
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 3: Please don't ask this question to be back because I

1011
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 3: don't know. But what what's your assessment of why the

1012
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 3: election went the way it did? Like, well, why do

1013
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 3: you think you know, in November last year, like more

1014
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:25,280
Speaker 3: people didn't make the choices that look, you know too calmly,

1015
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 3: seems so obvious.

1016
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 2: What what? What? What? What? What do you think number one?

1017
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 2: Number two is there?

1018
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of algorithmic influence there because

1019
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: when when you start to look at what anger porn,

1020
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: essentially people were being fed depending on their algorithm. You know,

1021
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: she was accused of being blue in one person's algorithm

1022
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: and accused of being read in another. Right, and the

1023
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: and the messaging was completely effective in both of those algorithms.

1024
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: I also think, I hate to say it that the

1025
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 1: world hates women in power.

1026
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 2: They they just do the world or America.

1027
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,280
Speaker 1: I mean America certainly, but a lot of the world,

1028
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: I think as well. Unfortunately, you know, it's it's a

1029
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: confluence of so many issues, down to the uplift and

1030
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: new popularity of tradwives. Like all of it is advertising.

1031
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, when you when you look at the way

1032
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: they essentially advertised against progress and against her and against labor.

1033
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: Let's be clear, it worked, and then it was compounded

1034
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 1: by and I think really made worse by the fact

1035
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 1: that you know, we have a now president, a second

1036
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: term president, who is paraphrasing Adolf Hitler to drum up

1037
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 1: terror and anger and anti immigrant sentiment. And you know,

1038
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: people keep being like, stop making those comparisons. I'm like, well,

1039
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: then stop quoting the fucking guy. Like we won't say

1040
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: that you're using his words if you don't use them,

1041
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: but you're using them, and so is half your staff.

1042
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 1: So it's like that stuff is really effective. Unfortunately, and

1043
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: when you don't have policy to run on, you have

1044
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: to run on fear loyalty. You have to create a

1045
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: cult when you have nothing to defend, and he's done it,

1046
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 1: and I think it's really unfortunate. And I think the

1047
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 1: fact that the man who bought the election for him

1048
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: for two hundred and fifty six million dollars controls the

1049
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:38,240
Speaker 1: largest sphere of influence and could algorithmically program three hundred

1050
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 1: and something million people every day. You know, he's turned

1051
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,839
Speaker 1: around and he's made himself what eight billion dollars so far,

1052
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: if not more. It's like it's all just a grift,

1053
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: the cryptocurrency, and the Saudi's buying two billion of it,

1054
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: and you know oligarchs from around the world doing they're

1055
00:56:56,080 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: literally buying America. And I think every one who realized

1056
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 1: they got sold outrage porn right now is like uh

1057
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: oh uh oh. But the scary thing is, and we

1058
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: talked about this a lot in his first election. When

1059
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: you open Pandora's box, you don't really get to close

1060
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: the lid. When you create a cult when people buy

1061
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: into QAnon, and the guy who started it is like,

1062
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: I didn't think anyone would take me seriously. This was

1063
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: like fan fiction on the dark web, Like, well, people

1064
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: are trying to kill each other over your fan fiction. Now,

1065
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: so again it harkens back to the way I feel

1066
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: about AI. It's like, we better get some regulation on

1067
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: some of this stuff before it's too late. I'm excited.

1068
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: That is it in Sweden or Switzerland? Maybe neither. Now,

1069
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: of course I can't remember. I'm gonna have to look

1070
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: it up afterwards. Somewhere in Europe is proposing a bill

1071
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: to make it illegal for politicians to lie, and that

1072
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: they will get fined every time they lie to the public. Like, yes, yes,

1073
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 1: that should that should be it, because if I hear

1074
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: one more person say, oh, Ben Shapiro doesn't believe half

1075
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: the ship he says on his show or on Fox,

1076
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 1: but it's how he gets the clicks, all right, I'm like,

1077
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: are the clicks really that worth it to you?

1078
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 2: Bro? I don't think it's whales apparently, quick Google search.

1079
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 2: That's Welsh.

1080
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: Here we go, the Welsh. The Welsh.

1081
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 3: Now now look, I look, everything you're saying to me

1082
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 3: makes absolute sense.

1083
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

1084
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 3: I think sometimes when I look at the world, I'm

1085
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Speaker 3: always like, Okay, that's what those people, my antagonists are doing.

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Speaker 2: There is well, that's what the obstacles are doing. Where

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Speaker 2: is what do I need to do different?

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Speaker 3: What they're going back to the sphere of influence, Like

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Speaker 3: one of the things that I can do, do you

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Speaker 3: retrospectively look back and go, hey, we played it perfectly

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Speaker 3: that we were just what what?

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Speaker 2: What do you think where? If you have you seen

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Speaker 2: Ezra Klein's new new book on the.

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Speaker 1: Bund Yes, I ordered it.

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Speaker 2: It's really really worth I found that.

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Speaker 3: I found it really compelling listening to him to talk about,

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Speaker 3: you know, this new vision of you know, the democratic

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Speaker 3: leaning democratic vision for abundance for America and anyway, I'm

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Speaker 3: just curious what I want you if your money takes on, Like,

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Speaker 3: what do you think our holes were?

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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot. I think at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, it's tough to I think it was

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Speaker 1: really tough for people to understand, and it started in

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. I think people don't understand how influential these

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Speaker 1: non traditional channels are now. I don't think we have

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Speaker 1: been cultivating spheres right. You know, the Mano sphere is

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Speaker 1: funded by the right, by Russia, by all the Stark money.

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Speaker 1: We haven't cultivated spheres that are based in reality. We don't.

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Speaker 1: We haven't fought back against Mitch McConnell's forty year plan

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Speaker 1: to defund American education. So do we really want to

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00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 1: judge people who can't necessarily understand a complex economic proposal

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Speaker 1: from someone qualified to hold the office of president when

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01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 1: folks are just trying to figure out how to pay

1114
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Speaker 1: their electric bill and feed their kids. Like, we have

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Speaker 1: to demystify policy a bit. I think we have to

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Speaker 1: talk to people where they are. And I think what

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Speaker 1: we have to do a better job of is fight

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Speaker 1: back against this insane idea that because we defend labor

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Speaker 1: and we defend building a prosperous middle class and a

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Speaker 1: well taken care of like fuck a living wage. I

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Speaker 1: want people to make a thriving wage, a well taken

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Speaker 1: care of working class. That doesn't mean we want you

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Speaker 1: to stay there. But there has been all this research

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Speaker 1: that I've read in the last few months about how

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Speaker 1: folks who don't fall into these upper classes in this

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Speaker 1: country believe that the Democrats want them to stay where

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Speaker 1: they are, That we don't believe in class mobility, that

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Speaker 1: somehow saying you shouldn't you shouldn't be stuck making you know,

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Speaker 1: forty six thousand dollars a year in a factory job,

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Speaker 1: why not double? They're like, how fucking dare you think

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Speaker 1: I'm not worth more than ninety thousand dollars a year?

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Speaker 1: And it's like nobody said that. By the way, I

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Speaker 1: don't care. Launch a company, win the power ball, whatever,

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Speaker 1: Go be the most, Go become the richest person. You know,

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Speaker 1: I would love that for you. I would love that

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Speaker 1: for me, by the way. But I'm not saying you

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Speaker 1: don't deserve more. I'm saying I think you deserve more

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Speaker 1: than what you have, so that you actually have the

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Speaker 1: space to continue to work up from there. But there

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Speaker 1: is this fallacy in public opinion that they think that

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Speaker 1: democrats don't believe people deserve wealth, And it's like, that's

1142
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Speaker 1: not it. I just don't think people deserve to be

1143
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 1: oligarchs Like Elon Musk didn't make you know whatever, close

1144
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Speaker 1: to a trillion dollars by doing anything. He's made it

1145
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 1: by stealing from everyone and underpaying his employees and grifting

1146
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 1: global governments for contry tracts like I just want you

1147
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Speaker 1: guys to have some of his money.

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Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, I think the conversation about like, for example,

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Speaker 3: like the top rate of tax often kind of when

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Speaker 3: people hear oh, you want the top rate of tax

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Speaker 3: will be fifty percent, And straight away in one's mind

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Speaker 3: it's like, so you want to take fifty percent on

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Speaker 3: my money, And it's like it's just understanding, Oh, you know,

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Speaker 3: whether it's ten million or whatever, the number is that

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Speaker 3: above that, every dollar is taxed that x amount. It's

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Speaker 3: just it's intuitively, even for me, like they hear it

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Speaker 3: just intuitively because like, oh that's crazy. You don't take

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Speaker 3: it enough. I'm struggling playing the bills, but just you

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Speaker 3: know that that's.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like I'm telling you, you don't know anyone

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Speaker 1: who would get taxed like that either, do I Right,

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Speaker 1: we don't know those people, and they'd be fine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's it's they'll be fine. Yeah, it's it's

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Speaker 2: so interesting.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I guess it kind of did then, you know,

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Speaker 3: I guess that the most season potentially counter argument to

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Speaker 3: that is that, okay, well then you risk the flight

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Speaker 3: of business, you is, the flight of rich people who

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Speaker 3: do pay numerically a disproportionate amount of well, even if

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Speaker 3: it's not like proportionately that makes make any sense. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: but I mean, obviously there are ways around that. You know,

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Speaker 3: we taxing wealth is supposed to taxing income and all

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Speaker 3: those kind of things.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing. I don't care. If you're wealthy,

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Speaker 1: go be wealthy. Good for you. All I'm saying is

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Speaker 1: if you have two billion dollars, I think you'd be fine.

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Speaker 1: With a billion, you'd be fine, you'd be great. Good

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Speaker 1: for you. Great. But you know, when people talk about,

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Speaker 1: you know what this country used to be, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: you mean, when wealthy people paid US seventy to eighty

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Speaker 1: percent tax rate, When all those social services you want

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01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 1: but you don't want other people to have, everyone could

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Speaker 1: have when the wealthy people seventy five percent of their income,

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Speaker 1: like some one with a billion dollars, you don't think

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Speaker 1: could live on two hundred and fifty million dollars. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying you can't have a jet. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: you can't have three jets. I'm just saying, maybe you

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01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 1: don't need to be able to afford to buy Boeing

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Speaker 1: as a company when kids don't have lunch at school.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, call me, call me a radical man, woms and

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01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 3: maybe you are.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I am.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I.

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Speaker 3: Wonder and I wonder this about America, And I also

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Speaker 3: wonder about England, where I come from, whether or not

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Speaker 3: like where you know, like whether or not those value systems.

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Speaker 3: It seems to me in the Nordic countries that intuition

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Speaker 3: is kind of fundamental. It's in the grounds, like the

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Speaker 3: intuition that oh, we're gonna have a net that means

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01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 3: you cannot go broke because you got sick, Like that's unfathomable.

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01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 3: But I do wonder whether and this is part of

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Speaker 3: the incredible byck to me of this amazing country, which is.

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Speaker 2: That on one hat.

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Speaker 3: That it can be so capitalistic, so marketed, that you

1205
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 3: can have great innovation, you can have great and on

1206
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 3: the other side you have this incredible poverty. And that's

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Speaker 3: ultimately the gamble that the people of the country en

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01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 3: mass want to take. And it's like, well then am

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Speaker 3: I am I just a minority that thinks, hey, why

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Speaker 3: don't we scaling back a bit?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: Like well, but I think that's it's it's the false

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01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 1: binary there. I'm not saying, uh, you know, poof, we're socialists.

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01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 1: We are everybody gets the same income and if you

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01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:42,920
Speaker 1: have over ten million, you get nothing. I'm not saying that.

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01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: I'm literally saying keep a billion, but maybe not two.

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Speaker 2: I know, I know.

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Speaker 1: And and so here's what I think is really interesting, right,

1219
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 1: is there's this idea that we're going to take it

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01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 1: all away and then no one's ever going to be

1221
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 1: able to get rich. And you might not be rich now,

1222
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 1: but you could get rich. And if we give everybody support,

1223
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 1: then you're not rich now, but you'll never get rich.

1224
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, so essentially you think you're going

1225
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 1: to win the lottery, which is delusion, but I still plague.

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01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 1: By the way, it's fun.

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Speaker 2: I like it.

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Speaker 1: I like my little tickets. I'm like, what if it's

1229
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 1: my week? I don't know. But what's crazy to me

1230
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 1: about this idea is it's like they've poisoned the well.

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01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 1: And again, I'm not saying we should be a socialist country,

1232
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: but what I am saying is it's fucking ironic to

1233
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Speaker 1: me that we have socialism for rich people and capitalism

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01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 1: for poor people in America. Rich people get all the

1235
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 1: socialist benefits. They get the tax breaks, they get the

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01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 1: income shelters, they get the write offs, they get to

1237
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: offshore their shit, they get to write off their private jets,

1238
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 1: but teachers can't write off colored pencils and paper for

1239
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 1: their classrooms. Like it's cuckoo bananas to me, and so

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Speaker 1: for me, I'm like, look, be as capitalist as you,

1241
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 1: but also just pay your taxes. I would much rather

1242
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 1: Elon Musk pays taxes than teachers have to figure out

1243
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 1: how many power bars they can afford to buy because

1244
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 1: half their kids aren't getting enough calories during the day.

1245
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 1: Like I just I don't feel bad for the guy.

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01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 1: And again, I don't think we should take all his

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01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 1: money away. I'm just saying like, at a certain point,

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Speaker 1: you don't even you're not even going to miss it,

1249
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 1: like a wealth tax, you're not even gonna miss it.

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Speaker 3: Bro, Yeah, he wouldn't even know God, And I mean

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Speaker 3: I guess to that extent, it's almost just like, oh,

1252
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Speaker 3: can we just have it fair?

1253
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Speaker 2: Can we have equal like you said, like we yeah.

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Speaker 2: So you know, the average person.

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Speaker 3: On a homeowner, a mid person in the middle class

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Speaker 3: has to pay tax on what is their biggest source

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Speaker 3: of wealth, and most of them is the equity in

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01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 3: their home. We you know, you pay one percent or

1259
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 3: whatever your state, you pay wealth on that. But people

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01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 3: don't pay wealth on the shares that they hold. And

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Speaker 3: this is mainly held by the billionaires, and so it's just.

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Speaker 2: Like, well, so we figured there is. It's not socialism.

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01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 3: It's not crazy crushing people when you're taking the wealth

1264
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 3: of the middle class, but it is when you take

1265
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 3: the ball. And so you know, even I guess one

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01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 3: way Berne is just like, can we just have it

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Speaker 3: be this?

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Speaker 2: Can we be the same the same? Can the school

1269
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 2: teacher get the same as elon?

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Speaker 1: Just proportional tax would be so great. So it's just

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Speaker 1: the same. It's not so hard. And now a word

1272
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Speaker 1: from our sponsors who make this show possible. It's actually

1273
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 1: it's so funny to me because it makes me think

1274
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 1: I love diving into this stuff with you. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, we need a meal and a bottle

1276
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 1: of wine with all of our friends cleared. But you know,

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01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:50,680
Speaker 1: I also realize we're overtime, but so I have to

1278
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 1: pay you two more compliments.

1279
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Speaker 2: But we have time for compliments please.

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Speaker 1: It really makes me think about when you you played

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01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:00,639
Speaker 1: Barack Obama in the first lady, because I'm like, oh

1282
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 1: my god, I yeah, you just you have such a

1283
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:07,519
Speaker 1: wonderful political mind and it's so much fun I think too,

1284
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 1: to dig into these things. And ask questions and debate

1285
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 1: and to do so hopefully, you know, in the spirit

1286
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:18,799
Speaker 1: of taking care of people. Was it surreal to play

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Speaker 1: the president?

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01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:21,639
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, now that was super serric.

1289
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 1: Did you get to talk to him?

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Speaker 2: No? I didn't. I tried, well we didn't. All the

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Speaker 2: Biola did get to.

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01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 3: Queen Byo that should say it did get to speak

1293
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 3: to Michelle Little because they'd had a previous relationship. But

1294
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 3: it was crazy and they have in that Atlanta is like,

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01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 3: you know, fake White House, you know, and so yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm getting out of the limo and this fake press.

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01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 3: It was super super surreal. I'm terrifying, scary and thrilling

1298
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:49,559
Speaker 3: and yeah, so.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, that's so cool. I also unrelated, I mean

1300
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 1: to that show, not to any of this, because it's you.

1301
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 1: I loved Presumed Innocence so much. I loved it, and

1302
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 1: you were so good and you and Peter Sarsguard were

1303
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 1: just so good and I I had this moment where

1304
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 1: I was like, God, I haven't enjoyed disliking someone in

1305
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 1: a show like this in a long time. The tension

1306
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 1: was so compelling and the motivation even though you were

1307
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:28,680
Speaker 1: supposed to be the foil, right the motivation, and I

1308
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 1: could just read not exactly what you were thinking, obviously,

1309
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 1: but I could watch your thoughts while you were on

1310
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 1: screen and see the way you detested this person and

1311
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:41,760
Speaker 1: then made us the audience second guess is he the

1312
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 1: hero or is he the villain?

1313
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 2: Is this man?

1314
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 1: Correct? Like, oh my god, the cat and Mouse of

1315
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:50,600
Speaker 1: you guys was so much fun. Hats off to you.

1316
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 1: I loved it so much.

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01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 2: Thanks. So I really enjoyed doing it. I mean it was.

1318
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:55,719
Speaker 2: It's funny because one of the things I did was funny.

1319
01:10:55,720 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 3: I ever studied politicians, and because they did so often

1320
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 3: this two faced thing.

1321
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 2: Well, on the one side, you're like, oh, yeah, what

1322
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 2: you're saying I agree with.

1323
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:06,680
Speaker 3: On the other hand, you're like, I do not trust you,

1324
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:08,720
Speaker 3: and and and so I was just like.

1325
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:10,479
Speaker 2: Saying, what is this thing? Anyway?

1326
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 3: So I started working on it, and I started working

1327
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 3: on the voice, and you know about like you know

1328
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 3: how annoying and kind of like grating some people's voices. Well, anyway,

1329
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:22,760
Speaker 3: I remember, I don't think they his production really knew

1330
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 3: what I was going to do with the part, or

1331
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 3: like like it was going to be that kind of

1332
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 3: like hateable likeable, hateable character. And I remember I did

1333
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 3: the first scene and I came off and I said, look,

1334
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 3: do you.

1335
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 2: Mind if I watched a little playback? And I watched

1336
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 2: it and I went, oh, yeah, he's hateable.

1337
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 3: And the producer turned to me like, oh no, no,

1338
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:41,720
Speaker 3: I mean he's not hateable, he's you know, we don't

1339
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 3: want him hit.

1340
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 2: And I was just like, no, one, this is gonna

1341
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:44,879
Speaker 2: be fun.

1342
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 1: Like, no, it's nice for me. It's this is what

1343
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:48,599
Speaker 1: I wanted as an actor.

1344
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:49,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

1345
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 3: So much comes from Peter because Peter is just this

1346
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 3: extraordinary actor to play with, and you know.

1347
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:55,839
Speaker 1: It's amazing.

1348
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's so you just he's so unpredictable, he's

1349
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:03,800
Speaker 3: so up and I think I work well on the

1350
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 3: some level of chaos.

1351
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 1: Oh I love that. Well, what's what's next for you?

1352
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, you know Handmaid's Tales coming out, you're

1353
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 1: all doing the press and the things. But as you said,

1354
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:19,040
Speaker 1: there was over months and months ago for you as

1355
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 1: an actor, so you're onto the next. Are you working

1356
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 1: on something now? Have you just wrapped something? Can you

1357
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 1: tell us even?

1358
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 2: Oh?

1359
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, there there are a couple of little you know,

1360
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 3: don't want to call them pair projects. Where you know,

1361
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 3: friends of mine who asked me to do a little

1362
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 3: bit for them. So there are a couple of things

1363
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 3: like that that's coming out. But the main project I'm

1364
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 3: working on now is called The Miniature Wife, which is

1365
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 3: this bizarreo comedy kind of surreal comedy.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

1367
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Speaker 3: And I'm playing like the weirdest character I've ever played

1368
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:52,680
Speaker 3: in my life. Is he is so out there. There

1369
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 3: are many a day I come off going, well.

1370
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Speaker 2: That was insane.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, so that's so for Peacock and then writing

1372
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 3: and so you know, I'm I'm writing. I love developing

1373
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 3: and trying to do stuff like that with my brother

1374
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:07,800
Speaker 3: and so that those are those amazings that keep me

1375
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Speaker 3: off the streets as well as my kids.

1376
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Speaker 1: Oh it's fabulous. That's what I want, I think, you know,

1377
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 1: referencing our earlier sort of segue. Things feel heavy. I

1378
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:19,600
Speaker 1: want to go to work and laugh. I want to

1379
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 1: go to work and be stupid and funny and weird,

1380
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:26,479
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I can't. I don't want. I need

1381
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:32,240
Speaker 1: a break from the heavy levity and absolutely awkward humor.

1382
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 1: Feel like such a respite. I love that you're doing

1383
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 1: that right now.

1384
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:37,519
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well that all that has come in to

1385
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 2: screen the year.

1386
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well good and and you you and your brother,

1387
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 1: you have a production company together, he has a production

1388
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 1: to do it together.

1389
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so he's got he's got his production company, and

1390
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:51,360
Speaker 3: then I have like a label under his production company

1391
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 3: there or all this stuff that we did again.

1392
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 2: I just love working with him.

1393
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 3: He's kind of like what I was thinking about Lizzie before,

1394
01:13:56,240 --> 01:13:59,440
Speaker 3: is that he's someone who just knows.

1395
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:01,719
Speaker 2: How my brain work and gets me writing.

1396
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:05,639
Speaker 3: And funnily enough, I just before it was two weeks

1397
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 3: before Christmas and we were gonna do Christmas in Virginia.

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01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 3: We have some family out there, and he was gonna

1399
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 3: come join me. And I was like, dude, you have

1400
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 3: an idea for this movie. And he was like, oh, great, great, lovely.

1401
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 3: Why didn't you write something down? I was like, no, no, no,

1402
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 3: I want to shoot a proof of concept and so

1403
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:23,720
Speaker 3: let's shoot it over Christmas. We'll have Christmas Day and

1404
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 3: then we'll shoot for two days after that. And he

1405
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:27,200
Speaker 3: was like, well, we don't have a cast, and I

1406
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 3: was like, is your daughter coming? Okay, great, so that's

1407
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 3: one I'll ask my best friend to come. And so

1408
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:34,919
Speaker 3: he was so he was like, oh, are you serious.

1409
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 2: But he's so.

1410
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 3: Game that we went, we went and did it and

1411
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:42,679
Speaker 3: we shot you know, this c crazy short over two

1412
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 3: days after Christmas anyway, So that's my my brother's mentality

1413
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:49,759
Speaker 3: is just like how we we did this TV shirt together.

1414
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:51,720
Speaker 2: Called Max m a xxx check it.

1415
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:55,080
Speaker 3: Out on Hulu's call We're wild probably, and we got

1416
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:57,880
Speaker 3: all these like we've got the Backstreet Boys in it,

1417
01:14:58,479 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 3: we got we got a.

1418
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 2: Bunch of Larry King did a little cameo in it.

1419
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:04,800
Speaker 3: And that is pay because he's got the attitude of like,

1420
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 3: let's just got to Larry King and ask him, Hey.

1421
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:08,639
Speaker 2: Larry, would you just give our stuff five?

1422
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:10,560
Speaker 3: It wasn't going to his agents when we did the

1423
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:14,880
Speaker 3: Backstreet Boys, weren't talking to people's managers. We were literally like, yeah,

1424
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 3: will you come to this? And you know, with Kevin

1425
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 3: for the Backstreet Boys, we were like come on, well

1426
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 3: he was like, well, I can't do right now.

1427
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 2: You know, I'm going home. We were like, where'd you live?

1428
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 2: Why don't we come to your house?

1429
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 3: And so he let us come to his house and

1430
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 3: then we gave him a bottle and he smashes out

1431
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:27,200
Speaker 3: of my head.

1432
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:29,920
Speaker 2: You know, it's a working with.

1433
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 3: LOUTI is just like it's a whirlwind, and like I said,

1434
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 3: I'm pretty well in some cares. Well.

1435
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:38,599
Speaker 1: I love that you guys jump in and just make

1436
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:41,400
Speaker 1: it happen, because I think we need permission to do that,

1437
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 1: especially in this business where it's like you've got a

1438
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 1: call so and so and you're like what You're like,

1439
01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 1: don't you know that we're all just like a bunch

1440
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:50,040
Speaker 1: of circus performers.

1441
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 2: What are you doing?

1442
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 1: I also think it's so cool that you guys have

1443
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 1: like such a special mandate because knowing you know, as

1444
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 1: again as I was prepping, you know, reading up on

1445
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:05,400
Speaker 1: how you very intentionally hire black department heads from makeup

1446
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:09,600
Speaker 1: to locations to producing to writing. It's like to expand

1447
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:14,519
Speaker 1: our world not just on camera but behind it, to

1448
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 1: make sure people get to see themselves, to make sure

1449
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 1: their experiences are represented. Like the whole thing is so

1450
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:23,840
Speaker 1: important and it's I don't know. I love that you're

1451
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 1: like chasing Larry King down and that you're also making

1452
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 1: shit happen for your whole crew. It's very very awesome.

1453
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 2: Thanks a lot.

1454
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, just to say about that just real

1455
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 3: quick though, because it's interesting because like the I and

1456
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 3: all that is in the news our. I mean, I

1457
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 3: can't speak specifically for Luty, but for me, like when

1458
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:42,480
Speaker 3: I was making my show.

1459
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:45,679
Speaker 2: I just wanted to make sure we interviewed the black

1460
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 2: you know, ahead of costume we are.

1461
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:52,599
Speaker 3: That's that they got a fair chance, that when we

1462
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 3: interviewed actors, that we were active interviewing some actors with

1463
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 3: some disabilities, because I think so often what happens is

1464
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 3: like these talented people aren't getting in the room. So

1465
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:05,599
Speaker 3: it's not about giving someone who's not talent the job.

1466
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 3: It's kind of like what you were saying before, can

1467
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 3: we make it fair because you olligart to going, oh yeah,

1468
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:13,599
Speaker 3: my nephew has as just graduated, but you give him

1469
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 3: give him a shot at something. So you have your

1470
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 3: pipelines of getting people in.

1471
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 2: Can we just make it fast.

1472
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:21,000
Speaker 3: This person who doesn't have some connection in the industry

1473
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:24,280
Speaker 3: also gets to be interviewed. And through that process we

1474
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 3: met some amazing you know, men and females and people

1475
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 3: with disability and all sorts that just were extraordinary.

1476
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:33,240
Speaker 2: But just we're never given the chance to shine.

1477
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:36,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's really cool. To your point, all

1478
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 1: you're doing is expanding you know, you're expanding the pool

1479
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 1: exactly and it's wonderful. I'm going to ask you my

1480
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:49,080
Speaker 1: last question. Okay, obviously you have a thousand irons in

1481
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 1: the fire right now, and as you mentioned, your dad,

1482
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:54,840
Speaker 1: and you know, your family is all over the place

1483
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 1: and it's it's so many spinning plates, but you love

1484
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:00,760
Speaker 1: the chaos. I think all of us kiss kids do.

1485
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 1: What whether it's personal or professional, or maybe it's a

1486
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:08,680
Speaker 1: mix of both, what feels like you're work in progress

1487
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 1: when you look out at the year ahead?

1488
01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:14,840
Speaker 3: Well, now, sorry, break it amplimented. What do you mean

1489
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 3: with my work in progress?

1490
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:19,919
Speaker 1: Just like I like to know what feels like something

1491
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 1: that guests are noodling on or working on, whether you

1492
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:27,600
Speaker 1: know somebody recently shared some really deep shit about what

1493
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 1: they're going through in therapy. You know, someone was like,

1494
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 1: I'm going to get this movie made this year. You know,

1495
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:38,320
Speaker 1: we've got friends trying to write novels. It's like, I

1496
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 1: guess I just always wonder when people are smart and

1497
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:46,639
Speaker 1: creative and also have families and are doing the thing

1498
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 1: we're all trying to do, which is make it all happen. Like, what,

1499
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 1: what's that central thing that you feel like you're working

1500
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 1: on and tinkering.

1501
01:18:54,960 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 3: And the thing that I'm thinking about most today and

1502
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:04,479
Speaker 3: and a lot is and say that again too emotional,

1503
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 3: which is which is basically just being a great father

1504
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:12,639
Speaker 3: like and and trying to figure out how do I

1505
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:18,240
Speaker 3: give the best lift off to these incredible creatures that

1506
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 3: I for now I am looking after because hopefully if

1507
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:24,360
Speaker 3: I do a good job to become adults and be

1508
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:27,640
Speaker 3: free in the world and and managing that with the

1509
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:30,559
Speaker 3: demands of all the things that we all know, you know,

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Speaker 3: like paying the bills and doing your own art and

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01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 3: having your own life and healthy indeed, all the things

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01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:37,679
Speaker 3: that we're supposed to be doing.

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Speaker 2: But you know, they're so vulnerable.

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01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 3: It's complicated, you know, how best to water these gardens and.

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01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:51,240
Speaker 2: So you know, being patient, I think patients.

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01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 3: One of the things I struggle with, you know. And yeah,

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01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 3: there's no rushing that process. You just have to go

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01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:57,799
Speaker 3: through the middle.

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01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:04,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, beautiful. It's a pretty interesting thing, you know, when

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01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 1: you talk about their ages, I think about how close

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01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 1: you know, the kids in my life are. When you

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01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 1: love to communicate and you love complexity and a deep

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01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:18,120
Speaker 1: conversation to figure out how to communicate really well, with

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01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:21,640
Speaker 1: a tiny little brain that is developing and learning but

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01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:26,000
Speaker 1: doesn't have all the language yet. It's it's like a

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01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:27,800
Speaker 1: whole other kind of creativity.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And also for me, it's kind of like, you know,

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01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 3: my head, you know, I didn't know what they call it,

1529
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:36,680
Speaker 3: eddideot whatever. My head runs and I'm thinking about on

1530
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:39,559
Speaker 3: something like I'm thinking about free will, and I'm thinking

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01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:43,000
Speaker 3: about market situations and ai, I don't think about this

1532
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:47,800
Speaker 3: all writing projects I'm developing. And then you yeah, you know,

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01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:50,719
Speaker 3: and then my you know, my daughter wants to throw

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01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:54,360
Speaker 3: the ball whatever the thing is, just scribble on something

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01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 3: or she.

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Speaker 2: Wants me to chase but she don't want me to

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01:20:56,600 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 2: chase it. She wants me to cold her and me run. Yeah,

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01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:03,680
Speaker 2: you know.

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01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:07,120
Speaker 3: And it's like you just have to be there doing

1540
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:10,960
Speaker 3: that thing and to give them the most, it's to

1541
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 3: be present. And I'm so tempted I want to put

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01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:15,880
Speaker 3: a podcast in my ear while we're doing because it's

1543
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:18,160
Speaker 3: like my brain needs this other things going on, and

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01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:21,519
Speaker 3: it's like it's quite hard for me to kind of

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01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:24,719
Speaker 3: let go and just be like okay, just present, like.

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01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 2: We are running, we are rolling, and.

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01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 3: Sure five to ten minutes is crying, but just figuring

1548
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 3: out that hour, that two hours, that yeah, that presence

1549
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 3: with them, and like you say, because they can't communicate

1550
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 3: on the breadth of bandwidth that we can and so

1551
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:42,799
Speaker 3: we just have to go analog.

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01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's incredible, it's incredible. Ah well, this has

1553
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 1: just been such a joy.

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01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:50,559
Speaker 2: Yeah we have to do it again.

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01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and you know, best of work with the

1556
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:59,200
Speaker 1: show coming soon and I mean, gosh, just all of it.

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01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:01,800
Speaker 1: It's really really exciting and and yeah we'll have to

1558
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:05,160
Speaker 1: we'll have to dive back into some of the nerdy

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01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:11,960
Speaker 1: policy processing soon for it. All right, my dear, thank

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Speaker 1: you for today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. M