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Speaker 2: I'm welcome to stuff. I never told you a production

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Speaker 2: of iHeartRadio. And today we were talking about something that

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Speaker 2: job that we do, I'm sometimes embarrassed to admit what

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Speaker 2: I use to listen to things and what I don't

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Speaker 2: decided I wanted to make a playlist of music for

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Speaker 2: my very successful friend fiction thank You, I was looking

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Speaker 2: into Spotify, where a lot of people make these fan

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Speaker 2: track me. This way, they can be like, oh, this

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Speaker 2: is this person who wrote this fan fiction. If I

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Speaker 2: down this whole rabbit hole of how that's kind of

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Speaker 2: impossible to do, especially because all of my email addresses

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Speaker 2: like it would be pretty easy to find who I

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Speaker 2: am through that. Also, speaking of fan fiction, there is

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Speaker 2: a story I read where this is a whole thing

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Speaker 2: exchanging Spotify playlists and tracking people on Spotify playlists.

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Speaker 1: Okay, at the beginning, before we started this, you were like,

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Speaker 1: I think you're going to know more about this. I

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Speaker 1: have no idea what you're talking about. This is new

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Speaker 2: Oh I can't wait. Yeah, you'll have to love because

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Speaker 2: I feel like you.

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Speaker 3: Have more in the certain arena of this. So okay,

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Speaker 2: So I also this also kickstarted because I recently went

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Speaker 2: one of them sent a collaborative playlist on Spotify and

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Speaker 2: so from that, and then from this fan of fiction experience,

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Speaker 2: I learned about something called Spotify stalking, which is yes,

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Speaker 2: I'm really behind on I like I knew it. When

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Speaker 2: I read about it, I was like, oh, yeah, I

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Speaker 2: was like a whole thing that people do. It's pretty

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Speaker 2: much what it sounds like. It's it's checking out what

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Speaker 2: people are listening to their playlist. From what I read,

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Speaker 2: it seems mostly harmless. People use it both to learn

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Speaker 1: Wo yes, Yes, the new term delulu seems to fit

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Speaker 1: into this entire entire Explain to me what that is delusional?

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Speaker 1: learning a lot today. So on Spotify, there's no way

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Speaker 1: for people to see who has viewed your profile, or

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Speaker 1: even who has liked or saved a playlist. You can

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Speaker 1: to talk about that more later in how Spotify has

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Speaker 1: they're listening to music. I also learned apparently people have

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Speaker 2: I did not know that, and that people have opinions

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Speaker 2: Apparently some people tailor their list to attract people. And

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Speaker 3: All this stuff.

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Speaker 2: I spent way too long on my potential fan fiction

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Speaker 2: title playlists. And people are way more knowledgeable and invested

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Speaker 2: about if you're gonna stalk them on LinkedIn, you do this.

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Speaker 2: Apparently Venmo's talking is a big thing which I want

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Speaker 1: On I'm sad to know that I'm not the smartest

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Speaker 1: So there are others who have figured it out too,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not trying to take anything away from you.

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Speaker 2: Following what people are listening to is not the only

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Speaker 2: Some reported X's making playlist and naming them something threatening

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Speaker 2: I can now not remove from my Spotify. While this

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Speaker 2: over seven thousand signatures, and it read I was harassed

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Speaker 2: like with my fan fiction, I was like, I just

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Speaker 3: We deserve better than that.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be. Okay, it's gonna be.

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Speaker 3: But it is true. It's so true. And I just

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Speaker 2: I was just going through all these hoops to figure

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Speaker 3: Get, right exactly your the product.

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Speaker 1: And that's the Black Mirror episode.

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Speaker 2: Here, I am just trying to be a nerd and

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Speaker 1: Maybe there are some savvy people out there.

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Speaker 2: There are, but some of those savvy people freaked me

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Speaker 3: But I just don't like the idea of it. Okay,

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Speaker 3: don't look at it. Yeah, don't look at it unless

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