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Speaker 5: Welcome back to she Pivots, the podcast where we talk

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Speaker 5: with women who have dared to pivot out of one

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Speaker 5: If you're an og Real Housewives fan, you'll know exactly

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Speaker 5: who today's guest is. She went down in Bravo history

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Speaker 5: for her many iconic scenes on the Real Housewives of

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Speaker 5: New York. Today, I'm talking with Kelly Klaren Bensimone. When

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Speaker 5: I walked into the interview with Kelly, I wasn't exactly

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Speaker 5: sure what to expect with every interview. I want to

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Speaker 5: be as real as possible. I mean, it saved me

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Speaker 5: when I was struggling with my pivot, but I also

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Speaker 5: know it's not fair to ask people to open up

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Speaker 5: their stories in a way that would make them potentially

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Speaker 5: feel uncomfortable. It's a tough balance at times, But with Kelly,

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Speaker 5: I walked out of that interview feeling like we had

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Speaker 5: real experiences. I even invited her to my house for

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Speaker 5: Hanukah that weekend. So when I had the chance to

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Speaker 5: interview Kelly, I saw another opportunity to lift up the

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Speaker 5: conversation about the life that happens behind the camera. She

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Speaker 5: shares her candid reason why she went on the Housewives

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Speaker 5: to begin with, and it might not be what you

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Speaker 5: think how her mother's passing led to her biggest and

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Speaker 6: My name is Kelly Colaurin Ben Simone, I'm a mother.

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Speaker 5: I love that. Have you always defined yourself that way?

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Speaker 6: Always?

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Speaker 5: Did you think that you were going to be a parent?

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Speaker 5: Was that something that was a real important priority for you?

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Speaker 7: You're asking that I went with my best friend to

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Speaker 7: I was like, oh, I'll read my hand while I'm

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Speaker 6: I was like, young, what are you talking about. She's like, yeah,

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Speaker 7: I don't know if you're and have kids and your

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Speaker 7: life is very disjointed, she said, so. I was twenty

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Speaker 5: I really didn't know if I was going to have kids.

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Speaker 5: I just really didn't think about it that much. I

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Speaker 5: It was like a real shock to the system for

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Speaker 7: successful in philanthropy at a young age because I worked

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Speaker 4: So let's go back in time. Can you paint a

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Speaker 6: You have siblings. I do. I have a twin brother.

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Speaker 6: I'm from Rockford, Illinois.

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Speaker 7: I was a big swimmer. To walk to swim team

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Speaker 6: Typically in the suburbs, you see kids like sports, sports, sports, sports.

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Speaker 5: Mine was as a camp counselor. But Kelly had a

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Speaker 5: vastly different experience starting to model as just a sophomore

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Speaker 7: So I started when I was fifteen, and my father

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Speaker 7: And I got this big contract with Elite, And at fifteen,

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Speaker 7: I was living in New York with Stephanie Seymour. It

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Speaker 6: She's the wrong outfit.

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Speaker 7: But I wasn't thinking, like in Chicago, you just wore clothes.

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Speaker 7: Why I wear a lot of black today is you

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Speaker 6: Skirt and heels everywhere.

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Speaker 4: No, I mean you're literally wearing that right now.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's like every time I look for something, I'm

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Speaker 6: I was in the same boat, except for I was modeling.

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Speaker 5: So instead of Harvard, she pivoted to Trinity College, where

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Speaker 6: That was an anomaly. People were not going to college

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Speaker 5: Modeling was a demanding job and not one that took

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Speaker 7: Like I had to like flight a Korea, or like

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Speaker 7: I was like this gorgeous campus, amazing academics, like the

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Speaker 7: Once I actually met my ex husband and my life changed.

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Speaker 5: Despite her almost decade long career, at this point, Kelly

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Speaker 7: This narrative about modeling and my adventures as a model.

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Speaker 6: It was basically like adventures with Kelly.

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Speaker 7: But I was like a twofer right right, sound Kelly?

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Speaker 4: How did you figure that piece out just one day?

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Speaker 6: I just was pregnant. I didn't.

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Speaker 7: It wasn't like I was like, oh my god, I'm

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Speaker 6: I'm like, what am I going to do? Who am

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Speaker 5: Still, she forged ahead, committed to creating a strong framework

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Speaker 7: I did what I always did, just put my head

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Speaker 4: How did you have enough confidence in yourself?

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Speaker 7: Because I was by myself. No one of my friends

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Speaker 7: I just was doing my things on my own way. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: At the end of the day, I was just always

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Speaker 5: Like so many women I know, Kelly did what she

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Speaker 7: Brought my daughter with me, my oldest daughter with me

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Speaker 7: absolutely everywhere she traveled her. She went to Hawaii, she

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Speaker 7: That was, I mean amazing, but also really stressful. I

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Speaker 5: So the marriage dissolved, right, but you ended up living

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Speaker 6: That is unusual, Yes, highly Yeah, how did that come about?

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Speaker 7: Well, just because you know he's older, did he do

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Speaker 7: to look for men like you.

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Speaker 5: That's such a poignant way to think about it. I

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Speaker 6: So congruent they're watching you, they're watching.

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Speaker 5: And they're internalizing the way you.

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Speaker 6: Speak to them. You know, what you do, how you

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Speaker 5: With the new Real Housewives of New York legacy and

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Speaker 5: how one gets cast is always a swirl of gossip

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Speaker 5: She had an ever changing path from Trinity College to modeling,

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Speaker 6: So let's let's get really real right now.

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Speaker 7: Like two thousand and eight was a very very big year,

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Speaker 8: Lehman Brothers is going bankrupt and financial markets from Asia

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Speaker 6: What the heck is going on down here?

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Speaker 7: I had just gotten divorced, left l accessories, was trying

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Speaker 6: I lost absolutely everything. So we're two thousand and eight,

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Speaker 6: I have no money, I.

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Speaker 7: Have two kids, trying to figure out how I'm going

447
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Speaker 7: to provide for them and give them the education and

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Speaker 7: the framework that they deserve.

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Speaker 6: Every child deserves that. And I just wanted to make

450
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Speaker 6: sure that my girls.

451
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Speaker 7: Had absolutely everything, not product bags, not bullshit, but like

452
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Speaker 7: absolutely every single tool in their tool belt so that

453
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Speaker 7: they could be successful, because that's.

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Speaker 6: Our job as parents.

455
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Speaker 7: Our job is to create a framework so that our

456
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Speaker 7: children are going to be successful and better than us

457
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Speaker 7: because there are a legacy.

458
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Speaker 6: So that was very, very very stressful.

459
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Speaker 7: So you know, here I am thirty six years old,

460
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Speaker 7: like what am I going to do with my life?

461
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Speaker 7: What's happening with me? And I decided to go on

462
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Speaker 7: Housewives not because I thought it would be a good idea.

463
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Speaker 7: Decided to go on Housewives because I was like, I

464
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Speaker 7: need something new. I can't live in this microbubble of

465
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Speaker 7: New York of l and my ex husband and I

466
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Speaker 7: became the provider and the nurturer like literally overnight. And

467
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Speaker 7: you know, the people that I've known for a long time,

468
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Speaker 7: some of them really weren't there for me. My best

469
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Speaker 7: friend like moved to Sweden, like oh, I was like

470
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Speaker 7: wait a minute, like you know, I need your help.

471
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Speaker 7: And so it's really really difficult to be trying to control.

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Speaker 6: I wasn't doing anything.

473
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Speaker 7: That was like larger than life, that could really like

474
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Speaker 7: pivot me into something else. So that's why I went

475
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Speaker 7: onto Housewives. And it was the best thing.

476
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Speaker 6: It was the best thing that I had ever done,

477
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Speaker 6: but it was so stressful.

478
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Speaker 7: In the American dream, one mistake at a time, create

479
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Speaker 7: a great life, and I love living in the most

480
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Speaker 7: interesting people make the best headlines.

481
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Speaker 5: What was your mindset going in?

482
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Speaker 7: I was supposed to be another show with Tim Gunn

483
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Speaker 7: before there was Project Runway. Tim used to have all

484
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Speaker 7: these different editors and designers come into persons and judge

485
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Speaker 7: all the students. So I met so many great designers

486
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Speaker 7: from that. And then he'd created Project Runway, and so

487
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 7: they wanted me to do something with him, and then

488
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Speaker 7: they chose Veronica. Webin said love her. Then the e

489
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Speaker 7: Exit producers sat.

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Speaker 6: Down with me.

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Speaker 7: He was like, you were just so spirit and you

492
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Speaker 7: have such a good personality, and you've done a lot

493
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Speaker 7: of things in your life.

494
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Speaker 6: We would love to have you on the show.

495
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Speaker 5: So Kelly joined the show among now household names like

496
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Speaker 5: Bethany Frankel and Ramona Singer. She joined the cast when

497
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Speaker 5: reality TV was a new frontier and no one knew

498
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Speaker 5: how a producer edit could change the script. Well, Kelly's

499
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Speaker 5: time on Real Housewives of New York was pretty short.

500
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Speaker 5: She made the most of it.

501
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Speaker 7: Reality TV is amazing though, Really TV's over the top,

502
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Speaker 7: just like modeling.

503
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Speaker 5: So when you went on the show, where was the

504
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Speaker 5: point you actually kept pretty serious boundaries around privacy Considering

505
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Speaker 5: that you were on a show that was about opening

506
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Speaker 5: up your personal life, right, how did you manage that

507
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:01,200
Speaker 5: they didn't really.

508
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Speaker 7: Want to fill my personal life? Actually, do you want

509
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Speaker 7: to come to this part. Now do you want to

510
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:05,400
Speaker 7: come to that note? Do you want to do this note?

511
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Speaker 7: They didn't want to do it. They just wanted to

512
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Speaker 7: see me interact.

513
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Speaker 6: So it was just like.

514
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Speaker 7: Every single time I walked I opened the door, it

515
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Speaker 7: was like an opportunity for them to go wild.

516
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Speaker 6: And that was great. It was great?

517
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Speaker 4: Was it great? I mean?

518
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Speaker 9: Did it for me?

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Speaker 5: I mean, I know you said you felt like you

520
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Speaker 5: were you were filling a role for them. At what

521
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Speaker 5: point did you feel like you were or were not

522
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Speaker 5: in control of your storyline.

523
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Speaker 7: I wasn't in control of my storyline. I would just

524
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Speaker 7: come in and just see what was going to happen.

525
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Speaker 7: And I remember them asking me questions about other women.

526
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Speaker 7: I was like, I have no idea what you're talking about. Like,

527
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Speaker 7: I have no idea that these people are.

528
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Speaker 5: I didn't.

529
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Speaker 6: I had no idea where they were.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

531
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Speaker 6: He was like, what are your thoughts about so and so?

532
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Speaker 7: I'm like, I really don't have thoughts about her because

533
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Speaker 7: I met her for twenty seconds. But sometimes you just

534
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,439
Speaker 7: don't know people and then there's an organic connection. Sometimes

535
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Speaker 7: it's just not yeah, and that's not good or bad,

536
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Speaker 7: it's just real.

537
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Speaker 4: Why did you decide to keep doing it, and it

538
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 4: was really good for my business.

539
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Speaker 7: And I was asked me on the cut a Playboy

540
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Speaker 7: and that's really why I continued my second season. David Pecker,

541
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Speaker 7: who was my boss at EL bought American Media and

542
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Speaker 7: he bought Playboy and put me on the cover, which

543
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 7: was a total anomally. It was turning forty.

544
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Speaker 5: She did the cover in an effort to reclaim her storyline.

545
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Speaker 5: She went back for her second season and could never

546
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Speaker 5: quite shake Reality TV. She left the Real Housewives franchise

547
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Speaker 5: in twenty eleven and later joined Million Dollar Listing after

548
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Speaker 5: getting her real estate license and joining the renowned Douglas

549
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Speaker 5: Ellman firm in twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 7: Well, especially a million dollar Listing filming with Frederick and

551
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Speaker 7: just having him just give me that massive stamp of approval.

552
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Speaker 6: And just saying, like, you guys don't know who she is.

553
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Speaker 7: She's a major broker in New York and has this

554
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Speaker 7: huge team and is going to kill it. Just literally

555
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Speaker 7: just set the stage for my actual with my career today.

556
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Speaker 6: Literally three reasons that you should use me as a

557
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Speaker 6: real estate broker.

558
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Speaker 7: One I maximize your value, Two I maximize expos sure,

559
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Speaker 7: and three I maximized transparency, which means I tell you

560
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Speaker 7: everything about your deal and I bring you the best

561
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Speaker 7: of the best to make you a deal actually happened, and.

562
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Speaker 5: Her successful shift into real estate earned her the number

563
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Speaker 5: one deal during COVID for forty two million dollars. But

564
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Speaker 5: despite her new success, real estate was never the plan.

565
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Speaker 5: It took the passing of her mother to push her

566
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Speaker 5: into it.

567
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Speaker 7: So my mother asked me to sell my family home.

568
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Speaker 7: And I basically didn't want anyone to know what I

569
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Speaker 7: was doing, and so I drove to it.

570
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Speaker 5: Why didn't you want any to know what you were doing?

571
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Speaker 6: Because I know I'm in this business. In reality, people

572
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Speaker 6: are like, oh my god, I saw her on the street.

573
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Speaker 6: What she doing. I didn't want to, like shoot my

574
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Speaker 6: own horn.

575
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Speaker 7: I was doing something for the right reasons, and I

576
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Speaker 7: didn't want to promote it. In reality, everyone always wants

577
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 7: to promote stuff, which is great for them.

578
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Speaker 6: But this was my.

579
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Speaker 7: Real reality, and I needed to make sure that I

580
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Speaker 7: was getting my license and I was taking care of business.

581
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Speaker 6: And so I drove.

582
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Speaker 7: To Brooklyn every single day and I took the test

583
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Speaker 7: and then I organized it. So it was like the

584
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Speaker 7: two weeks I took the test, and then on the Monday,

585
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Speaker 7: I took the state test, and so there was no

586
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Speaker 7: room for error because I had to start getting things going.

587
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Speaker 6: But she is the reason that I'm in real estate.

588
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Speaker 6: I mean, her passing.

589
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Speaker 7: And her actively forcing me to sell my family's portfolio

590
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Speaker 7: is the reason that I'm licensed in New York, that

591
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Speaker 7: I'm licensed in Florida, that I'm licensed in the Hampton's,

592
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Speaker 7: I'm going to be licensed in Aspen.

593
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Speaker 6: I mean, she held my hands so.

594
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Speaker 7: Hard I thought she was gonna break my hand off.

595
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Speaker 7: She was like, you need to help your father sell

596
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Speaker 7: these properties.

597
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Speaker 5: Were you able to get your license and take care

598
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Speaker 5: of it before she passed?

599
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Speaker 7: Yes, she said, no, no, no, no, no, no, she

600
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Speaker 7: passed before she passed before she passed really quickly.

601
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Speaker 6: My mother had pancreatic cancer and we found out in

602
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Speaker 6: March and she passed.

603
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Speaker 5: By August, so that's a really quick one. It's just

604
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Speaker 5: it's hard. I'm sorry about that.

605
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Speaker 6: It was very tough, especially the relationship that we had.

606
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Speaker 6: It's really tough.

607
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Speaker 4: Where do you think you're going next.

608
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Speaker 7: I'm just so excited about what my girls are doing,

609
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 7: you know. It's like, I love my team. I love

610
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Speaker 7: Doug as Almon. You know, I love real estate, but

611
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Speaker 7: I'm just like happy, you know, like for the first

612
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Speaker 7: time in my life.

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Speaker 2: Great, so.

614
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Speaker 6: I don't feel the same stress.

615
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Speaker 10: And it's like I know that this will resonate with

616
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Speaker 10: a lot of women, because whether you're sixteen to have

617
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Speaker 10: a child or you're forty year of a child, it's like,

618
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Speaker 10: you know, bringing children into this world, it's a huge

619
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Speaker 10: responsibility and I take it really seriously, and I know

620
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Speaker 10: a lot of women do too.

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Speaker 9: You know, my parents gave up a lot for me.

622
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Speaker 9: I've given up a lot for my kids, and I'm

623
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Speaker 9: just happy to be where I am today. I'm just

624
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Speaker 9: like genuinely happy, and I'm.

625
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Speaker 7: Just excited to see what's going to happen and like

626
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 7: how my life is going to up and just being able.

627
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Speaker 6: To like Douglas Alm has just been incredible. They just

628
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 6: like see who I am and they're like, we love

629
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Speaker 6: who you are. You're a supermodel, You're a superstar. We

630
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 6: just love it.

631
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Speaker 7: And it's just like I just feel like I'm in

632
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Speaker 7: a position right now where I'm really shining and all

633
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 7: the things that I've done throughout my life, like I'm

634
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 7: putting into my career and it's working and it's just great.

635
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 6: And I have a great team.

636
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 7: My kids are healthy, and my ex husband is healthy,

637
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 7: and I have a quick boyfriend, and I just.

638
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 6: Feel very, very lucky to be where I am today.

639
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 6: And like people, you know, they see you on TV

640
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 6: and they're like, you know, honestly.

641
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Speaker 7: Like TV's changed. And when I was on television, like

642
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 7: I don't want to talk about what was going on

643
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 7: with me because the noise was so loud no one

644
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 7: could hear my voice. And maybe at that time that

645
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 7: my story wasn't interesting enough. It was a different time.

646
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Speaker 7: People weren't really concerned about what was happening being you know,

647
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 7: with people with like not having money, all those big, big,

648
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 7: big concerns. People weren't didn't want to hear about it

649
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 7: because they were dealing with every single day. Right, so

650
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 7: they're what They're going to see some tall brunette now

651
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 7: blonde standing there just being like.

652
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Speaker 6: Oh my god, poor me. It's like the cheerleader. It's like,

653
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 6: oh my god, I'm so sad. I wasn't so sad,

654
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Speaker 6: it was really scared.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 5: I asked this question of all of my guests, is

657
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 5: there something in your life that you felt like at

658
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Speaker 5: the time felt really negative and now in retrospect was

659
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Speaker 5: a big positive.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, two thousand and eight just negative for everybody. It

661
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 6: was a shitty time. Market collapsed, so did lives. But

662
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Speaker 6: it's not like what happens to you, and that's whatever

663
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Speaker 6: all my mentors say. They're like, it doesn't matter what's

664
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Speaker 6: happening to you. It's how you overcome it. It's like

665
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Speaker 6: how you take that next step.

666
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Speaker 7: And I mean, every single human is going to have

667
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Speaker 7: adversity in their life and it's just really what you

668
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Speaker 7: do and how you what next step you take.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much, Kelly.

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