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Speaker 1: and welcome to Bent the Fishing podcast. Where we call

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Speaker 1: it a scene. I call it disaster down here. The

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Speaker 1: And to everyone who caught that song, reference round of

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Speaker 1: We'll explain. That was a tip of the hat to

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Speaker 1: And we want to know what you guys think. Do

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Speaker 1: So that's the new song. Things that media or tend

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Speaker 1: Op Ivy fans, And for those who were unfamiliar, Operation

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Speaker 1: submission comes from Mike Whittlinger, and and he wrote something

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Speaker 1: common in Europe and Asia, and mallards love fish eggs.

426
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 1: According to the lead author of the study, quote, if

427
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: mallards find these spawning areas, they will go there and

428
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: eat the eggs until they can't move. So if you

429
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 1: assume just ten million birds consume a thousand fish eggs

430
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: every year, that would equate to sixty million fertilized fish

431
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: eggs popping out in mallard poop annually. Since mallards often

432
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 1: travel up to fifteen miles a day, the opportunity for

433
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: dispersal could be significant. Now, all that said, the studies

434
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 1: very preliminary, small sample shoes, and it actually brings up

435
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: a lot of follow up questions. Right, Like, the next

436
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: thing the research team plans to look at is they're

437
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 1: gonna they're gonna repeat the same experiment with other types

438
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: of fish eggs to see if if this survival trade

439
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 1: is unique to carp because that would really matter. Uh,

440
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 1: And they don't talk about this in the article, But

441
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 1: what I want to know is I want to know

442
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: if fish eggs can survive a trip through other bird guts. Right, Yeah,

443
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 1: they're twelve million millards, but they're like more than forty

444
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: million ducks in North America, a lot of the meat

445
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 1: fish eggs. Sure, so there's still a lot to learn here.

446
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: But it actually seems possible that the old yarn about

447
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: ducks transporting fish eggs had some truth to it. It's

448
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 1: just that the old timers got the mechanism wrong. Sure.

449
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: I mean, what pops into my head is Canada geese

450
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,360
Speaker 1: because around here, I mean, we got some ducks. There's

451
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 1: ducks got ducks in Jersey, But I mean I see

452
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 1: more Canada geese than than Mallard's on a lot of

453
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 1: the lakes and streams and things around here, So I

454
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 1: would point to them as a culprit. I have to

455
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 1: imagine they eat certain amount of fish eggs too, and

456
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 1: they're everywhere. I don't know. I would imagine so too,

457
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 1: but I don't know that. That's what I'm saying, Like,

458
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: there could be a lot of potential vectors for dispersal

459
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 1: with with waterfowl, sure, and we just don't know. So

460
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: this is a fascinating one for a lot of reasons,

461
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 1: not the least of which being there. I have long

462
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: been all these questions like how did these fish get here?

463
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: You know those those spots You're like, wow, sure perch

464
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: get into this lake? I don't know, And we always

465
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: blame bucket biology and that could be it, but it

466
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: might actually be birds. Yeah. Now. Interestingly, though, at least

467
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: around here, it's always seems to be tied to warm

468
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: water species, like the duck connection comes up with carp

469
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: or a catfish or bass, but like I've never like

470
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: I've never heard of that happening with trout. You know what,

471
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 1: I mean, so exactly that's what I'm saying. So I

472
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: also think it's fascinating because it's obviously only going to

473
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 1: be certain kinds of fish. They have to have a

474
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: certain hardiness because dude, those there has to be acid

475
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 1: in those stories. I mean, that's pretty impressive to make

476
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: it through that, you know. So I'll be curious to

477
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: see if if other fish can make it through there.

478
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: And I think you're right, it's gonna be warm water species.

479
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 1: If there's another one that would work with my money

480
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: would be on pike because those bastards are everywhere and

481
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: you can't kill them. Yes, that that is true. So

482
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 1: I don't I don't have a great transition other than

483
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 1: to say we've sort of busted a myth there and

484
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: we'll we'll bust uh somewhere here with this little story.

485
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: So as a media person, I always admire when a

486
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 1: news story is presented in an interesting way, right, So

487
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 1: I have to give props to the UK's Guardian for

488
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: this one. And we've we've featured other stories in the

489
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 1: past about the seafood industry pulling fast ones right, either

490
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: by renaming fish to make them sound more appealing or

491
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: just straight up serving you different species than what's on

492
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: the menu. But this has apparently gotten so rampant, particularly

493
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: in Europe, but also in the US that The Guardian

494
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: ran a story called could you Spot the Fake? And

495
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: turned it into a quiz And naturally I aced it,

496
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: but painted naturally I aced it um if I was

497
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: only that good in in algebra one, but it it

498
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: painted a really great picture of some of the most

499
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: common fakes, which again occur here and there. Um. And

500
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: when you answered, you'd get this little pop up with

501
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: with more details that I thought were pretty good. So

502
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: it was actually very interesting. And the first question, um,

503
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: it would just say this is often sold as red snapper?

504
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: What is it really? And it's a picture of a

505
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: telopia And then you have a multiple choice dropped down

506
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: like what fish is this? And when you click, the

507
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: tilapia tells you red snapper is an extremely popular reef

508
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: fish that has been over fished to the point that

509
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: stocks are now extremely low in most of its habitats.

510
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: It's cheaper common substitute is tilapia. Right now, what they're

511
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: doing with this quiz is posing the question of whether

512
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: you would know the difference if it was served to

513
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: you in a restaurant, and I feel like for that one,

514
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: I would I I would know, I would know that

515
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: I was at least eating a freshwater fish, not a

516
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: salt water fish. Um. And there's a bunch of these that'stually,

517
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: it's a really fun quiz. It's it's a very good time,

518
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to go through all of them,

519
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: but um, one of the more interesting ones to me was,

520
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: you ordered delicious grouper, but what is the common substitute?

521
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: There's a photo of a catfish right, and when you

522
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: click on catfish, it says the Nassau grouper is critically

523
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: endangered species from the Caribbean, while the dusky grouper is

524
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: threatened in the Mediterranean. See In both cases, something else

525
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: entirely is sold in their place. And this one hits

526
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: for me because, again, like you and I can look

527
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: at this with an angler's eye, this quiz is for

528
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: just the consumer of seafood. But with an angler's eye,

529
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: I would never order grouper anywhere, and I've known not

530
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: to do that for years. I've only ever eaten grouper

531
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: I caught because just in the U s alone, the

532
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: seasons and the limits are so wonky that I never

533
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: trust grouper on a menu like it's in It's in

534
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: every restaurant in the Keys, and people just assume, oh,

535
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: we're in Florida and there's grouper here. Well that's true,

536
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: but there's a strong chance that you're you're eating frozen

537
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: grouper from the last time the season was open, or

538
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: you're eating something else entirely, and they assume the tourists

539
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: don't know, which most of them probably don't. I don't

540
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: know if that substitute happens here, but I thought that

541
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: was fascinating. The Guardian was saying the most common substitute

542
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: for grouper on a menu around the world as catfish.

543
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: So that's two times did not know that, right, that's

544
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: two times already red snapper and grouper, two fish that

545
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: are known to be delicious. That they're saying the most

546
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: common substitutes are freshwater farm raised fish. Man, I feel

547
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: like the texture of those are so different. So do I.

548
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: But again, you you you eat a lot of fish,

549
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: you catch a lot of fish, you clean a lot

550
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: of fish. If you're just you know, my grandma and

551
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: grandpa going to uh lobster, you probably don't know and Uh.

552
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: The last one that tickled me was this one. White

553
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: tuna is frequently on the menu, yet it does not

554
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: actually exist. What is this fish that's used as a

555
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: stand in now in this this is a case right

556
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: of of of Chilean sea bass style renaming because fishermen

557
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 1: no dan Well, there's there's no such thing as a

558
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: white tuna, And I've always known white tuna is actually

559
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: a fish called an esclar, and their deep sea dwellers

560
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: oil black and ugly as hell. They look kind of

561
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: like deious. Oh yeah, they look they look like a

562
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: black king mackerel kind of. But this story also says

563
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's usually escalar, but sometimes white tuna

564
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: on a menu is butterfish. That's what I've heard it called. Okay,

565
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: that's the renaming i've heard for esclartfish. Well, yeah, but

566
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: butterfish is also a real fish. They're they're tiny bait

567
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: fish that we buy here for chum, Like you buy

568
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: a flat of them. They almost look like little pompano

569
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: silver pompano um. So I didn't know that was a

570
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: common a common swap there. I always thought it was

571
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: always esclar, but I don't really care which one of

572
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: those it is, like, fake me out, don't give a

573
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: ship because it is, as you mentioned, so buttery and delicious,

574
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: like it is. White tuna is my absolute favorite sushi.

575
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: I don't actually care if it's butter fish or what like.

576
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: It is just And however, you also know that it's

577
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: known as the laxative of the sea. So you can't

578
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: you can't binge this a couple of Yeah, he had

579
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: a couple of your sushi deluxe, but like, you can't.

580
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: You can't go all in um. And I've actually been

581
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: on the dock in Louisiana several times, like mean mugging

582
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: taking photos with piles of yellow fin tuna we caught

583
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: and another boat like with complete new but tourists like

584
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: that don't know what they're doing come back in and

585
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: they're all holding an escalar and I'm like, oh, like

586
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: I want, I wanted that, I want the escalar. Want.

587
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: So if you can find it online the Guardian quiz,

588
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: could you spot the differences. It's it's fun, it'll kill

589
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: a little time at work, um, but also interesting because

590
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: there's just so much shadiness. Yeah, no doubt. Sticking with

591
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: salty species that people love um permit are of permit. Yeah,

592
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: maybe once or twice. And we're joking because because these

593
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: fish inspired this like level of obsession and reverence among

594
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: certain anglers, that's I think it might be unparalleled, except

595
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: for maybe with bill fish. The permit love is is

596
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: is real, yep, And there is some irony and how

597
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: much people love permit because technically there there are subspecies

598
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 1: of jack's, and jack's are like the trash fish of

599
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: in shore angler. I mean they're not like, they're not

600
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: like saltwater hardhead catfish level or dog fish. But outside

601
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:40,959
Speaker 1: of the state of Hawaii, I don't I know very

602
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: few anglers who intentionally target jack's. Yeah, and I have

603
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: a comment here because the same thing with permit. If

604
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: you put a permit in deep water and throw a

605
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: chunk of crab at it, it'll eat as quickly as

606
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: a jack Kraval, as dumb and fast as it's right.

607
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 1: It's all. It's situational. It's situational. But despite the fact

608
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: that jack's are kind of considered easy and stupid and

609
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: and not that desirable, they're big eyed, rubbery lip blacktail

610
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: cousins are a totally different story. People just lose their

611
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: minds over permit like permit tattoos are a thing I know,

612
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: otherwise seemingly normal individuals who have spent many years and

613
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: sums of money that honestly far exceed my annual income

614
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: just trying to catch one single permit, one, just one one,

615
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: which is it's crazy and and we we might chalk

616
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,760
Speaker 1: this up as an example of anglers arbitrarily assigning value

617
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: to one species of fish while detegrating another similar fish.

618
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: But as we were alluding to earlier, there's some logic

619
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 1: to the permit mania, at least logic by fishing standards.

620
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: Unlike other kinds of Jack's permit can be maddeningly difficult

621
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: to catch on artificial lures, and that's part of the

622
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: reason why flanglers go nuts for these fish, because they

623
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: feed in shallow water, so it's site fishing, and they're

624
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: they're hypercritical of presentation. Speaking from experience, however, if you

625
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 1: drop alive crab in front of one, it's probably gonna

626
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: get munched. YEP, I don't care. You can set that

627
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: flyer out away and just drop that live crab. It's

628
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: gonna work. Um. But because permit inspire such devotion, they're

629
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: they're very valuable to local economies in the places where

630
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: they can be found in significant numbers. Dedicated permit lovers

631
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: save up all their spare time and money to travel

632
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,439
Speaker 1: to places like Belize, Cuba, where permit populations are high

633
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: and less pressured. But the original hub of permit fishing

634
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: is the Florida Keys, and the Lower Keys is one

635
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 1: of the only places they're consistently targeted in this country.

636
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: For the past fifty plus years, anglers have been making

637
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 1: annual pilgrimages to the southernmost type of the continental US

638
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: trying to fool these blacktailed devils, and they bring their

639
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: check books and their credit cards with them. The bite

640
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 1: that value the Keys permit fishery has been largely taken

641
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: for granted. Very little was definitively known about their spawning habits.

642
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: For example, until the Bone Fish and tarp And Trust,

643
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: a fisheries conservation nonprofit, began an acoustic tagging program in

644
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: to figure out exactly, when, where, and how permit reproduce.

645
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: Results from that study indicated that about seventy of the

646
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: permit that live in the Lower Keys congregate in one

647
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: small area to spawn. Now, local anglers have long known

648
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,240
Speaker 1: that Western Dry Docks, located about ten miles south of Qust,

649
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: is a prime spot to find huge schools of permit,

650
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: mutton snapper, yellowtail snapper, grouper, and other fish in the

651
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: late spring and early summer. Many of those anglers were

652
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: savvy enough to know that massive groups of fish congregating

653
00:37:55,640 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 1: seasonally meant that they're spawning yep, right, and so some

654
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 1: chose to avoid the area during that time of year,

655
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: but others would chase the high concentrations of fish. The

656
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: Florida angling community grew sharply divided about the ethics of

657
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: intentionally targeting the spawners and and the area became a

658
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: flashpoint of conflict. Regardless of personal opinion and since morality,

659
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: anglers who chose to fish there during spawning season were

660
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: completely within their legal rights. That changed this year when

661
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 1: the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission established a four

662
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: month fishing closure in a one mile area around Western

663
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: Dry Rocks, oh In addition to the tagging study that

664
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: showed the majority of the area's permit went there to reproduce,

665
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: other studies showed a dramatically increased mortality for permit and

666
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 1: mutton snapper that were hooked and released in that zone

667
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: during spawning season. To see, anglers aren't the only ones

668
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 1: who sometimes maybe take advantage of large concentrations of fish

669
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: that are distracted by biological imperatives. Sharks do the same,

670
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: and research showed that one third of the fish released

671
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 1: by anglers were getting eaten by sharks. So even if

672
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: anglers weren't filling boxes, even if they weren't keeping anything,

673
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: if they're like, no, I release everything, I'm not hurting

674
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: these fish, those numbers were still getting decimated, whether they

675
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: knew them or not, because one third of the fish

676
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: that they released, we're getting t bombed. And now the

677
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: area is closed to all fishing April through July, and

678
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: the decision, it's kind of amazing to me. It's being

679
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 1: applauded by a whole host of different fishing and conservation

680
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: groups that include the Bone Fish and tarp and Trust,

681
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: Lower Keys Guides Association, i g f A, Florida Keys

682
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: Fishing Guides Association, American Sport Fishing Association, Coastal Conservation Association,

683
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: Congressional Sportsmen's Foundation, fly Fisher's International, and Guy Harvey Ocean Foundation.

684
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: Only mentioned all those names. And you know this because

685
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: it is so rare to get all those different organs

686
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 1: to agree on anything. It is. They won't even hardly

687
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: agree that they all like to fish like it's it's

688
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: barely a thing that they agree on what color the

689
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: sky is on a given day. To get them to

690
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: come together and agree on a piece of legislation and

691
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 1: rule change, to me, that signals a ringing endorsement for this,

692
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: And and with that many different people on board, it's

693
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 1: it's got to be sound, Oh dude. I mean, look,

694
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: you talked to anyone who was fishing the Keys in

695
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: the seventies or eighties, they'll tell you that it pales

696
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: in comparison. And even though it's still a mecca, it's

697
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: still amazing fishing, generally speaking, it's nothing like it used

698
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: to be. So if these are the kind of drastic

699
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: measures that need to be taken to preserve what's left

700
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: of that old school Florida Keys fishery, to me, this

701
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: move makes absolute sense. Now. I'm sure there's a handful

702
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: of charter guys who are not so pleased. Yeah, but

703
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: and I mean we were talking about it is drastic.

704
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: It's a one mile area that's closed to fishing for

705
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 1: four months. Is that drastic. I mean, it all depends

706
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: on your perspective. No, no, no, it's not. I understand

707
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: what you're saying. It's not like they closed the entire

708
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: gulf out of Qua. I get it. It's like this

709
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: one little area. But at the same time, if you

710
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: come out and say, hey, this one mile area, how

711
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: many people are like, oh, that really makes me want

712
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,439
Speaker 1: to fish that one mile area? You know what I mean?

713
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: Like you didn't. It's kind of like if you knew

714
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: you knew, and and there's there's you know, what are

715
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: you what are you gonna do about that? But also,

716
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 1: you know, you tell me you can't fish in this

717
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: one mile for four months, I'm like, what is happening

718
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: in that one mile? So, I mean there could be

719
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: I hope they can. They can police that, you know,

720
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 1: or do to the least that um. But yeah, it's

721
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: funny people get so crazed over this fish. You've told

722
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: me you've had no problem catching them on the fly.

723
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say no problem. I've had better luck than most. Yeah,

724
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: I've I've only tried it on the fly a couple

725
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 1: of times. But I'm not eight up with them all

726
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: the permit. I caught it been on bait, and like

727
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: I was saying that they're so funny because if you

728
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: do it in forty ft of water on a wreck,

729
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: it's like fishing jack ravals like no problem, crab touches down,

730
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: it's when they get shallow. Um. But did I think

731
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: that's great? Man? And even though I'm not part of

732
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: that cult, I admire that obsession. I mean, we're talking

733
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: about dudes who refused to use glue on their flies.

734
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: Like they won't put a drop of of cement or

735
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: UV cure on a fly because like, the fish are

736
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: that sensible. They could smell it a mile away and

737
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: they'll they'll turn right off of it. I don't have

738
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: the patients. I I did it a few times and

739
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: missed a few shots, and I'm like, I do only

740
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: barracoutas around can we do that? You know? But did

741
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 1: I think that's great? And I do think that's amazing

742
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: that all those organizations like you say it's rare that

743
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: they all come to get a degree on nothing. Um

744
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: that that says something to me. Yeah, And the only

745
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: transition I really have here for this one is that

746
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: you know, when you do get your shot and land

747
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: your permit on the fly, I will assume you'll want

748
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: to take a picture of it, okay, And this is

749
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: gonna be a giant free commercial for Apple, but I

750
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: don't care because it's a good P S A. And

751
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: and it's it's too good not to pass along in

752
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: my opinion. Um And you know how like hooking yourself

753
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: is kind of a rite of passage, you know what

754
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: I mean? Like I always say, like, if you've never

755
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: had one in you pass the barb, you're probably not

756
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: fishing enough or maybe hard enough. Um. And I also

757
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 1: feel like losing a cell phone in the drink is

758
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: a similar rite of path It's like a modern rite

759
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: of passage. You know, I don't I don't believe I

760
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: have any close personal angling buds that haven't sent me

761
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: the I got a new phone, lost all my contacts

762
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: text you know what I mean, like at least one time. Uh.

763
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: And I've personally donated three phones over the years. Anyway.

764
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: I found this story on slash gear dot com and

765
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: it's about a woman in Canada anti carrier who dropped

766
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: her iPhone eleven down the hole while ice fishing on

767
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: Westcasu Lake in Saskatchewan in early one Now most anglers,

768
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: like me, as an example, would have said, well there

769
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: goes that, and off to the Verizon store I would go.

770
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 1: But not Angie. Okay, she was on a mission to

771
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 1: recover this phone, and she made three separate trips back

772
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: to the lake over the course of a month, loaded

773
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: down with augers and aqua view cameras and the works,

774
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: to get this phone back. Right well, about thirty days

775
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: after she dropped it, they finally located. Was like that.

776
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 1: It had to be like the Titanic, like the aqua

777
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: view swept over and you're like, there it is. They

778
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: found it and then spent two hours using a magnet

779
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: on a string to get the iPhone back and guess what,

780
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: it works perfectly, according to Angie after a month under

781
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: the ice underwater. Okay, now there's a p s A here,

782
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: so just bear with me. The iPhone eleven is, in

783
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: fact advertised by Apple is being waterproof, but only to

784
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: two meters and only for thirty minutes. Like that's like

785
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,479
Speaker 1: the max two ms. But this this is the useful part.

786
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: They actually interviewed a tech expert in the piece and

787
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: and the phone was down a little deeper than two meters,

788
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 1: but he said what likely saved it was the stillness

789
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: of the environment, so it hit the bottom and laid

790
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: there undisturbed. So I have to I have to ask one,

791
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: was there a case on this phone? No, no case,

792
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: no case, just no case, just a protective cover, no case.

793
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 1: And this this tech expert said, if it was summertime

794
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: and you had boat traffic or current or anything like that,

795
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: strong chance the gaskets would have failed. So the point

796
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: here that he makes is if you drop your phone

797
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: in the drink, whether it's an iPhone eleven or otherwise,

798
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 1: if if you can and try to retrieve it quickly

799
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: and as gently as possible, like if you're knocking it

800
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 1: and flipping it along the bottom with a landing net

801
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 1: trying to get it, stronger chance it will be toast.

802
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: And even if you drop one in like super shallow

803
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: water on the edge, he says, you know, pick it

804
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: up really slowly, really gently, don't like violently snatch it

805
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 1: and grab it and like move it around underwater, because

806
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: the less it's disturbed once it hits the drink, the

807
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 1: better shot of saving your phone. So you're saying, fight

808
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: your natural inclination, which is to do for you rip

809
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 1: it out of the water. You have a better shot

810
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: of saving your ship if you just gently pick it

811
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: up and slowly pull it out of the water. Interesting.

812
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: So I mean I I found that used for However,

813
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: I like, while I feel better about inevitable sogginess now

814
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: that I personally have an iPhone eleven, I still question

815
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: just how you know quote perfect Angie's phone really is

816
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: because I dunked my last iPhone, which was an eight

817
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: I believe, and that was also supposed to have some

818
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: level of resistance. And while everything appeared fine and I

819
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: lost no data and and everything worked, the camera lens,

820
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: microphone and speaker were shot like once you get water

821
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: behind that camera lens, there's no going back, and like

822
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: it was, it was completely garbled. Um. So you know, look,

823
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: some people are very anti Apple. In fact that I

824
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: recently got in a heated debate over this um with

825
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: our friend Ross Robertson and which he called me an

826
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: ostrich with with my head in the sand, because I

827
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: shan't be swayed off of Apple products. But this story

828
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: is a big checkbox for Apple for anglers as as

829
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned, and uh, also for any of

830
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: you saying as you brought up. We'll just get a

831
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: just get a case, get a life proof case, right,

832
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: remember life proof? Oh of course I had. Here's another

833
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: p s A right, like, they'll keep your phone dry,

834
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: but nobody will be able to hear you. Okay. So

835
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: that's exactly what my issue was. I had to take

836
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: it out of the case to have a conversation, and

837
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: it's not easy to get him in and out of

838
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: the case. Okay. And I don't know if you had

839
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: the same experience, but when they first came out, this

840
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,720
Speaker 1: is going back a long time now, when they first

841
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 1: hit the market, they were the bomb. Like my first

842
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: one lasted the entire life in my phone, no problem.

843
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: And I don't know what happened. I don't know if

844
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,919
Speaker 1: they changed where they manufactured or cut corners or what.

845
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: But like the next four that I had, and I

846
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: even would send some back for a free replacement, like

847
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: this one screwed up. I need another one, dude. I

848
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 1: got so tired of people that people telling me they

849
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: couldn't hear me, which irks me. Anytime I want to

850
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: call there like what I can't hear you? I just

851
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: hang up and I'm like, I'll call you back later.

852
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: That drives me insane. I literally ripped the last two

853
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: life proof cases off my phone and like threw them

854
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: in the closest trash receptacle. Couldn't take it anymore. No,

855
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: it protects your phone, but it ceases to function as

856
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: a phone. So yeah, yeah, then you can't actually talk

857
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: to anybody, so little techy, little little p s a there. Um,

858
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: you know. Hopefully we'll we'll see what Phil thinks on

859
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: this one. I also want to hear about the punk band.

860
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: And then as soon as we're done hearing from philm

861
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: we actually have a fishing report pre spawn report pre

862
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: spawn from our bess pro buddy on the tour Rant Stimpkins,

863
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 1: who um, probably can't afford an iPhone eleven, but we'll

864
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: see what he's got shaken out there. Joe SURMELI you

865
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: kind of Trojan Horse day tackle hack into that last

866
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: news segment and for that, hey, you're our winner, my

867
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 1: favorite punk band. I have two answers for this one.

868
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: The one I think you're looking for. I'll call it

869
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: my cb g B answer is television love television. Now.

870
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: I am of the age, and this is what I

871
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: will call my warped Tour answer. My embarrassing answer. While

872
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: you were smoking cigarettes listening to Circle Jerks behind the

873
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: bait shop and I was behind the video games store

874
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: treating Yugo cards. Answer. We're talking bands like Yellow Card,

875
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: Jimmy World Motion City Soundtrack, pop punk Joe. That's what

876
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: I liked. I can feel you shivering from two time

877
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: zones away. I know you thought m x p X

878
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: was gonna be my lame answer. Jokes on you. Listen.

879
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: These bands were unfairly maligned at the time as just

880
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: bait for fox emo preteens, but they're pop songwriting sensibilities

881
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: and neck for melodies elevated them above a lot of

882
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: the bands of that early two thousands generation. Yeah, and

883
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 1: everyone thought I was so cool after that Pokemon segment

884
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. Hey, y'all, your favorite professional

885
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: bass fisherman, Ranch Stampkins here with a little update from

886
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 1: the tour. I'm sure you already heard how close I

887
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: came to placing in the Bass Open event at Lewis

888
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: Smith Like yesterday. If it weren't for a run of

889
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 1: bad luck, I'd have been in the money for sure.

890
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: But that's all right. I'm fixing to give him a

891
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 1: hell on Douglas and Tennessee. This is gonna be my tour.

892
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,280
Speaker 1: I can feel it well. Right now, I'm stuck idling

893
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: in the parking lot of a Flying j just outside

894
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: of Old east of Boga. What don't you know it,

895
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: I wiped my ass with the only buff I had.

896
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: What had happened was I bought some bull peanuts off

897
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 1: a feller, selling them out of the back of a Chevy.

898
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,439
Speaker 1: They caught up to me on Highway sixty five yesterday.

899
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: I plumb forgot about this no mass, no entry bullshit

900
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: at all these truck stops. About twenty minutes ago, I

901
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 1: gave my last five dollars or some guy named Harlow

902
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 1: and asked him if he'd please run in and buy

903
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: me one of them hot dogs. I reckon he should

904
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: be back any minute now. Anyway, you ain't here for

905
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: my culinary advice. Y'all want some juicy pre spawn advice,

906
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: So listen up. I noticed over on Lewis they wasn't

907
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,919
Speaker 1: responding to nothing I was throwing. I was in all

908
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 1: the right places, but even the customs square bills with

909
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: the blood crackle paint. I traded my backup trolomotor battery

910
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: for what in doing Ship. I knew right then there

911
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: I was gonna have to pull out the big guns.

912
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: I tied on my last four inch Yamamoto creature and

913
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: light blurpleo and slung it to the stumps fish ate

914
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: it before it ever touched down. I threw that little

915
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: one three in the well and started feeling like I

916
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: was finding my rhythm. But I got a little too

917
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 1: excited after feeling that good old wiggle hung that bait

918
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: up on the very next cast. Of course, I went

919
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: in after it, but my trollomotor hit a stop, bucked,

920
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: and knocked the damn whole rod out of my hands.

921
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 1: Luckily one of the older guys gave me a spare

922
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 1: outfit after wag in. It's missing a few guys and

923
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 1: the real sounds like rocks in a coffee can. But

924
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 1: it ain't nothing. A little w D forty and some

925
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: zip tize can't fix Ship. I fished worse. I figured

926
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 1: the guy did it because when I'm on stage at

927
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: the Classics someday, he wants to tell his kids he

928
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: helped me get there. Hold on a second harl ship

929
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 1: An anyway, I gotta scrape up enough cash to buy

930
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: at least three of bags of Yamamoto's and some of

931
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 1: that Ozark trail braade before I get to Douglas. So,

932
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: if any of y'all in the northern Alabama Tennessee Ish

933
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: area are looking for a pro to speak at y'all's

934
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 1: fishing club, shoot me at d M. Also, if you're

935
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: interested in buying a CB radio, got a fence that

936
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: needs a little mended, or needs someone to mind your

937
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 1: kids while they're on zoom school all day, called Darrell

938
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: over at the Dollar General and leave a message for me.

939
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: Otherwise I'll holler at y'all again right after I cash

940
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 1: that fat and Douglas check. See you later. I love Rance, dude,

941
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: I really, and I wish him all the best. He's

942
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: got the heart kids got moxie if you think about it,

943
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: I mean, Rance is kind of like the punk band

944
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: that's still hustling in the garage, you know what I mean,

945
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: booking gigs at the local VFW. Like four people, Yeah,

946
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: four people exactly, and if nothing else, maybe, like maybe

947
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: they'll just inspire, just like one other kid to follow

948
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 1: his dreams of bass fishing greatness. That's all it takes. No,

949
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 1: you're maybe maybe I wouldn't Like I don't look at

950
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 1: Lance's life and be like, damn, that seems glamorous to me. Like,

951
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: even if he made it big, I don't think he

952
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: would change much, you know, like like maybe he'd he'd

953
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 1: order the deluxe gas station brewed right or no, no,

954
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: do you know what did he do? He'd pony up

955
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 1: for the big bag of jerky instead of the knockoffs.

956
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,439
Speaker 1: I'm being like, dude, what do I know? Like that?

957
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: That probably is some kids dream you never the truth

958
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: is like you don't know which people or bands or

959
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: anglers or whatever will turn out to be massively inspirational

960
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: and and influential until way later, far into the future.

961
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,720
Speaker 1: And that's actually the case with the with the lure

962
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: the Joe's covering this weekend end. The line it rose

963
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: to glory made history without knowing it was making it,

964
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 1: and paved the way for countless other great lures. But

965
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: just like you can still download up ivy music on

966
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: iTunes today, this lure continues to have dedicated fans. Well

967
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 1: that's not allowed enough, Burt. You can't escape swim bait

968
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,800
Speaker 1: culture these days. It makes very little difference what you target,

969
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: because there's a swim bait. For that, swim baits are

970
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 1: loosely defined class of fishing lures that imitate fish, which

971
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: doesn't really say much because lots of lures that aren't

972
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: considered swim baits imitate fish. But what we can all

973
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: agree on is that swim baits like tacos are available

974
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: in harder, soft varieties, and it's the soft ones that

975
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:46,919
Speaker 1: have really become ubiquitous across all fisheries. Chasing smallmouth tie

976
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 1: on a little three and a half inch k tex

977
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 1: swing impact Muskies go for the eight and a quarter

978
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: inch defiant trout cropp eas You say the two and

979
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: a half inch z man slim swims have you covered?

980
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: Regardless of size, what all these soft plastics have in

981
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: common is a paddle tail or a modified paddle tail

982
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 1: that thumps away when you reel, creating both action and vibration.

983
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: This style of bait is so commonplace now that it's

984
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: not even really a thing worth talking about anymore. It's

985
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: it's been around so long that it's hardly considered innovative.

986
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: But how did we get to a place where there

987
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 1: are twenty five or more varieties of soft plastic swim

988
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: bait at any given tackle shop. Most people credit the

989
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 1: California big bass scene that bloomed in the nineties with

990
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 1: kicking off the swim bait craze, and that's not totally inaccurate.

991
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: The lower building pioneers are that era may have created

992
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: the demand for big swim baits designed to catch big

993
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 1: gas fish, many of which were super expensive in the

994
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: early days, But to say those lures lead to smaller, cheaper,

995
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 1: widely available swim baits isn't totally true. Ask any of

996
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,399
Speaker 1: those early swim bait makers what inspired them, and many

997
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: will point to Mr Twister's sassy shad. With so many

998
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 1: soft plastic bait companies around today, I think it's fair

999
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: to say that Mr Twister has kind of been sidelined. Yes,

1000
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 1: we all know this company made the curly tail grub

1001
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 1: is staple and fishing, and there's a strong chance you

1002
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: still buy Mr Twister grubs today. I mean, I certainly do,

1003
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: but we're not exactly hearing the prose praise their latest

1004
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 1: innovations on the tournament trail. But what people might not

1005
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: realize is that in the nineteen eighties, Mr Twister was

1006
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: a tighten not just because of the curly tail, but

1007
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: because when they dropped the Sassy Shad, it was revolutionary.

1008
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: The Sassy Shad was really the first mass produced, widely

1009
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: available paddle tail swim bait to hit the market, and furthermore,

1010
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: Mr Twister produced them in a wide range of colors

1011
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 1: and sizes that appealed to everything from cropp ease two

1012
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: large mouths to stripers. All you had to do was

1013
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: stick one on a jighead, cast and reel. They were

1014
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: also no more expensive than any other soft plastics at

1015
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: the time. Personally, I have a very distinct recollection of

1016
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: buying a few packs of small Sassy Shads as a

1017
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: young lad, but not really catching a whole lot on them.

1018
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: And maybe that's because I didn't give them a fair shape,

1019
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: but it certainly didn't feel like I was fishing something

1020
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: revolutionary at the time. Strong chance that's because while these

1021
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: lures were certainly pioneers, they also had shortcomings. The plastic Mr.

1022
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: Twister used was stiffer than modern plastics, injection molding techniques

1023
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: at that time didn't really allow for realistic colors and patterns.

1024
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 1: You mostly had solid or two tone options, perhaps with

1025
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: some glitter mixed in. Lore historians also point to a

1026
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: design flaw yes. The Sassy Shad had a paddle tail,

1027
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: but compared to modern paddles that tend to be large

1028
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:40,439
Speaker 1: and really really ramp up vibration, the Sassy's tails were

1029
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 1: pretty small, making its kick pale in comparison to present

1030
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: day offerings. By the early nineties, there were no shortage

1031
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 1: of Sassy Shad copycats on the market, many with more

1032
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: effective tails. Still, even then, most were fairly rigid, limited

1033
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: in color, and required an external jighead. It wasn't until

1034
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: storm In reduced the Wild Eyes Shad in the early

1035
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: two thousands, complete with an internal jake head and snazzy

1036
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 1: holographic finishes, that the paddle tail craze really kicked in

1037
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: the high gear. Mr Twister still produces the Sassy Shed,

1038
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: which tells me they still must have devoted fans in

1039
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: the freshwater scene. I just don't happen to know any

1040
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: And while a Sassy Shad or a Sassy Shad knockoff

1041
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: may not be the first swim baite anyone's tying on

1042
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: for snooker stripers, these days, they have carved a niche

1043
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: in the saltwater scene, particularly in the Northeast, for the

1044
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: countless dudes trolling umbrella rigs that might feature a dozen

1045
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 1: or more sassy shads, that harder plastics stands up to

1046
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 1: all that drag and water resistance far better than new

1047
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: school plastic. And if a blue fish clamps down on

1048
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: one of your shads, it might not get cut in half.

1049
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: And if you need to replace shads within your umbrella rig,

1050
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: you can do so very cost effectively. I can't honestly

1051
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: remember the last time I saw a bag of large

1052
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: sassy shads for sale in a Northeast tackle shop. In fact,

1053
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: maybe I never did, because just like when I was

1054
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: a kid, these baits are usually sold individually, often displayed

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Speaker 1: on the bottom shelf, and repurpose tubs that once held

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Speaker 1: bulk cream, cheese or perhaps macaroni salad. The only real

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Speaker 1: difference is that instead of being fifty cents a piece

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Speaker 1: like they wear at Bayside Bait and Tackle, Sir, I reckon,

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Speaker 1: they're pushing about three bucks a pop these days. That's

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Speaker 1: all the time we have for this week. Remember, if

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Speaker 1: you're headed to the thrift store, keep an eye out

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Speaker 1: for an Ocean Sky's T shirt. Grab all the op

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Speaker 1: IV seven inches you can find, but don't ask Jesse

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Speaker 1: Michaels to sign any of them. Purchase that hazy zip

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Speaker 1: block bag full of old school sheds if you're feeling sassy,

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Speaker 1: and if you're looking for a lightly used CB radio,

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Speaker 1: we got a guy. We do. We got that guy.

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Speaker 1: And if you've got any questions, comments, concerns, bar nominations,

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Speaker 1: sabin items are awkward photos to share. We're always on

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Speaker 1: CBE channel nineteen and my handle is jaz Bone Coyote

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Speaker 1: or just email all that stuff to Bend at the

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Speaker 1: meat eater dot com. We'll see it there as well too,

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Speaker 1: jas Bone Kylote. I don't I don't have a follow

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Speaker 1: up to that. I don't want to get along, but

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Speaker 1: I actually got that off of a CBE handle generator online.

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Speaker 1: That is like my personal Yeah, that's what I'm sticking

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Speaker 1: with it. Uh, don't forget those degenerative Angler and Bent

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Speaker 1: podcast hashtags on the Graham. We are watching you at

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Speaker 1: all times. Hopefully those of you who liked rocking out

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Speaker 1: in the car to our old music are are digging

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Speaker 1: the new jam, or at least we hope you'll get

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Speaker 1: used to it. Yes, but remember eyes on the road.

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Speaker 1: Don't give yourself whiplash and Phil crank It Up Stop

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Speaker 1: at