WEBVTT - Stress and Capitalism ft. Andrew 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:13.360 Uh, it could happen. It could happen here. That was 0:00:13.400 --> 0:00:20.239 my Robert Evans impression. Thank you very much. Hopefully that 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:25.079 wasn't an assault in you um drums. But here we 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:31.920 are here, we are I am Andrew, and this is 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:35.080 it could happen here. And this is the podcast where 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:41.160 we talk about stuff that happened in places. And I'll 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:44.920 be yes listening this episode. This is the Andrewism segment 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:50.320 where I talk about whatever comes to mind. So I'd 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:55.840 like to open up this episode with a question, honestly, genuinely, 0:00:56.680 --> 0:00:59.440 how are you all doing? Well? There's a lot of 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:03.440 stuff going on right now. Um, you know, not not 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:07.959 the best time um inside this country or really around 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:15.600 the world. Um so yeah, not, I would say, not ideal. Not. Yeah, 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:19.640 I'm everything bad is happening and also being compounded that 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:22.200 I have been. I have been once again awoken at 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:26.160 it a genuinely egregiously early hour by someone pounding a 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:29.440 hammer about eight inches from my head, which is fun 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:37.480 and good and cool without context, without context, all a 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:43.240 wild thing to say. I am giving no context about that. 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:48.640 This is literally true. So yeah, basically it's like that, 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:54.880 but for everything, yeah, I respect that not ideal is 0:01:54.920 --> 0:02:04.680 the perfect explanation. Yeah, yeah, not ideal, Not ideal. Personally, 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:06.880 I feel like i'm, you know, cost being pulled in 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:10.000 a bunch of different directions and it's exhausted. And I mean, 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:13.720 let's say up front, I do have the privilege of 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:16.440 having more control over my wealth day than a lot 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:18.800 of other people do. And that's not something I take lightly. 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:22.040 I'm very appreciative of that. UM shout out to my 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:27.240 Patreon supporters. But you know, between all my online responsibilities 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:31.160 and offline responsibilities and obligations and demands and my time, 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:33.520 it really is not easy. And that's not even getting 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:37.120 into like the social and political stitt to the world 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:40.040 right now. It's a coach and Smith, you know, that's 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:41.920 that's something I think we can all relate to on 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:46.160 some level. Yeah, I mean, some weeks are much harder 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:52.160 than others. But the through line has been stress, and 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:55.880 that is the subject of today's episode. That's so stressful 0:02:55.919 --> 0:03:02.720 that we're going to talk about stressful. Yeah, a discussion 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:06.960 about stress. It really could happen here. Um. Stress is 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:09.280 not something that's new to me already to most people 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:14.440 me personally, my personality is very much lending itself to 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:20.800 that um sort of outcome because I'm constantly like spinning 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:23.480 a bunch of plates at the same time, and every 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:25.440 time like I dropped one or I put one down, 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:28.280 I pick up the next one. And I'm not very 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:33.799 good at relaxing usually. All right, I've basically been going 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:40.800 on stop for a long long time. And I'm not 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:46.120 alone because of adults suffer from chronic stress, and sevent 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:49.680 to night to percent of doctors visits are stress related. 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:52.560 And it's trash. You know, you feel it in your 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:56.160 skin and your muscle, in your bones. I remember this 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:58.400 one someone was working at that same winery I was 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:02.800 talking about in recent episode. I was in UM and 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:05.080 I was just sharing my experience. It really felt like 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:09.040 my blood was running into water, like I was barely eaten. 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:12.920 It wasn't getting enough water. I wasn't perfectly hydrated and 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:15.720 just go in. We call that. We call that a 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:22.160 reverse Jesus when you're when you're I mean, I think 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:25.400 when Jesus was stabbed, he did like bleed water for 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:31.279 some reason. Sure it did. Yeah, tree rings, you know, 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:34.680 they tell a story, and I think our body is 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:37.200 tell the story as well, and for a lot of 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:41.599 us that story is stress rather because of events or 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:45.480 thoughts or circumstances, but it's frustration and go new business, 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:50.880 do you mistress? What would you guys say, is some 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:58.840 of your like mean stress triggers. I was going to 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:04.240 say family, most of it's probably work related, based on 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:08.880 the type of things I surround myself with for over 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:13.880 twelve hours a day. Yeah, I think for me it's 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:16.600 it's work. And then it's a lot of just sort 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:20.960 of like personal life stuff. I have to do stuff 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:23.920 which is just like like I'm trying to move right now, 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:30.679 and that's like incredibly stressful. And yeah, as medical stuff, 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:35.400 that's been a that's been a holy hell. Yeah, we 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:37.800 are excited that Chris is finally moving out of the 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:42.320 hammer factory into the into the into the electric drill factory. 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:45.280 So the audio will still be a bit weird. I mean, look, 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:47.920 if if if it's if it's anything like college, it'll 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:49.800 be twelve hours a day of a guy with a 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:53.120 jackhammer directly below my window, which you'll all get to 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:55.480 hear an incredibly large amount of It's gonna be great. 0:05:56.200 --> 0:06:00.400 That's fantastic. That's a perfect encopsulation, and that the exactly 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:03.719 the topic we're talking about. It's like a jackhammer on 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:08.640 your brain constantly. I mean that's on the only form 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:10.960 of stress. I mean, there's a stress that comes from 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:15.719 like loss stress, it comes from like social drift stress. 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:19.599 It comes from this consumers rat race um, you know, 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:25.160 mental illness, just general uncertainty and change and grief and 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:31.960 guilt and trauma. Um. You know, dictatorship that a lot 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:38.400 of people are subject to. And of course climate change good, 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:49.920 it will climate change. I think more more people need 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:54.200 to realize there was a stress is a symptom of 0:06:54.279 --> 0:07:01.360 like systemic violence. You know, when we're dealing with these 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:04.840 headaches and sleep problems and muscle pinions and digestive problems 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:08.720 and sex problems and blood pressures, use and moodliness and 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:13.240 restlessness and demotivation and irritability and substance abuse and all 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:19.240 these other responses and consequences. It's just the outcome of 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:24.640 daily systemic violence, of the way that this system deprives 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:30.000 us of support and care, that how it atomizes us, 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:34.680 how it controls us and really squeezes us forward word. 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:40.160 I mean, it's not to say that like there's no 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:44.480 stress outside of capitalism, or that stress is a capitless invention. 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:49.560 Absolutely not. I mean, stress in um small doses to 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:54.320 be a good indicator in certains vibal situations that need 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:58.200 to change the situation um motivation to act, you know. 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:06.840 But and the capitalism is really pathological, and yet you 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:10.040 gotta keep playing normal. You have to keep on pretending 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:13.040 that everything is okay. I mean, we all know how 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:17.920 deeply unhealthy this society is, how deeply and equalist society is. 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:22.400 Many people dealing stress related illnesses are people don't like 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:27.679 hyper vigilance are We are constantly scanning this urban jungle 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:34.720 for threats, for of of insecurity and decimation of public 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:39.680 life and of entire equalmies in sectors. And it's like 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:42.840 well held in captivity. I will say one thing, and 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:45.480 that is that while capitalism produces a lot of stress, 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:51.199 it was so alleviates stress by producing an economy organized 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:55.120 around the production and circulation of addictive substances and practices 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:59.400 of all these different vices that you know, people pick up. 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:03.280 I mean, if you look at the roots of capitalism 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:07.240 and how capitalism really funded itself initially through the plantation 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:12.160 economies and the Caribbean and the rest of America's um, 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:17.679 you know, growing like sugar and tobacco and you know, 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:24.760 producing all these spirits and chocolate and coffee. The thing 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:29.280 that that that that helped bring capitalism to fruition and 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:33.440 helped fund industrial capitalism is the thing that people are 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:37.040 using to self medicate in response the effects of the 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:42.120 now global capitalist dominance. And people love off their chocolate 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:46.120 and their coffee. Personally, I'm not a big fan of coffee. 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:51.440 I think it's tastes disgusting. But yeah, you know, yeah, 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:54.720 I tried it once and it was like it tastes 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:58.800 like the sensation of burning. You know, I just wasn't 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:02.520 having it. I like the smell for some reason, like 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:05.800 the smell of coffee beans, but the actual taste is 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:09.640 like nah, and surprised. I mean, I actually used to 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:11.839 not like chocolate as a child. It is only when 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:16.679 I matured my taste, but that actually came around to it, ironically, 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:20.720 And of course we don't think of these things as 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:27.040 you know, vices or medications, but they're like small pleasures 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:30.679 that help us get through our day. Practically everybody is 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:34.160 at some level of alcoholic these days. And of course 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:39.040 there's social media, which is like algorithmically Teelered and tuned 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:43.240 to keep us on it, to keep us like it 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:46.680 basically like like a puppet master controls the highs and 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:50.240 lows of all emotions on a deally basis. It basically 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:53.080 functions as an addictive drug. It just the drug is 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:56.240 just is caused by chemical reactions in your own brain, 0:10:56.320 --> 0:11:00.000 but it's manipulating your brain into causing it to happen UM. 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:04.280 But it's it's a very similar addictive process that has like, 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:07.480 you know, a reward system. You know that. That's why, 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:10.839 like around a decade ago, a lot of social media 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:15.320 companies changed their UM loading style to be like you 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:18.120 like scroll it down and it flicks back up, which 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:22.520 was specifically it was specifically copying a slot machine because 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:25.360 it is it's it's like an addictive pattern that's ingrained 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:29.839 into what we find pleasurable. So it's it's all like 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:31.920 none of this is this probably isn't new information to 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:34.559 a lot of people, but like it's all obviously very 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:38.480 intentional to why it's designed to be extremely addictive. Yeah, 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:40.240 and this this is just like this is just like 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:42.640 what like most of gaming is now too, where it's 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:45.800 like I mean, okay, like you're playing a video game, right, yeah, 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:48.400 but like yeah, and now and now literally like the 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:51.360 the the revenue model of the gaming industry is selling 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:54.400 gambling to children, you know that. That is My one 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:58.040 complained about casinos is that eight year olds couldn't spend 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:02.560 thousands of dollars with their parents money on skins. You know. Now, 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:06.439 thanks thanks to the wonders of gaming, eight year olds 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:08.839 too can basically just live in a casino in their 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:15.640 own bedroom all the time. Modern society. Okay, there's there's 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:19.679 there's conflicting accounts about this, but there's there's a new 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:23.240 like free to play Dio Diablo game, and well, yes 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:26.160 I heard about that. The amount of money it would 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:29.520 take to get like a max level character in this 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:33.560 game I have seen. Okay, I I've I've The latest 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:35.520 calculation I've seen is saying it would take over five 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:39.439 thousand dollars. The lowest range calculation of how much it 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:42.520 would cost I've seen was about fifty tho it's probably 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:45.640 at least a hundred thousand dollars to literally get the 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:49.280 guys level character in these games. It is like, like 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:56.080 this is problem. Where that's problem is exactly why, um, 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:58.079 the only mobile games I play us to do a 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:04.840 goog on mine. Yeah, and even those have ads. Yeah, 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:07.240 I did have a brief for it until among us, 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:14.280 but that, um, that period has has ended. And plus 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:17.960 this is also why I tend to you know, sail 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:32.000 the high seats as you know what I'm saying. The 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:35.480 funny thing is that we don't have to do this. 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:40.440 And I mean it's kind of obvious. It's kind of 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:45.080 like it's a phrase looking forward, like it doesn't need 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:46.560 to be said, but it was a kind of needs 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:51.040 to be said. That we built. We built this society 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:54.400 and as people within it, we do have the power 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:57.480 to change it. We don't have to work as much 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:00.680 as we do. We don't have to you know, structure 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:05.560 and attend school the way that we do. I mean 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:08.960 even under capitalism, there there are people who are starting 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:12.000 to shift from that eight hour week day, which we 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:15.480 had to fight for a lot of people died for, um, 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:18.240 to you know, three to six hours a day, which 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:23.880 or four hours pertty, it depends. Um. I think that 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:28.080 some one on experiment was like six hour days, four 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:34.680 days a week or something like that. But despite you know, 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:37.240 studies coming out and saying that humans groling be is 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:42.640 super productive in a certain period of time uninterrupted. It 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:45.560 doesn't matter, you know, despite the fact that you know, 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:50.920 productivity decreases, it's not like productivity rises and amount to 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:55.280 hours you work. It doesn't matter. I mean, I remember 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:57.960 when I was working in a um an insurance company. 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:02.240 I was people pusher, just like scanning documents and uploading 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:05.080 documents and then scanning some more documents and then uploading 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:07.360 those documents, and then every once in a while I 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:12.120 got to print documents. Exciting um but I was dealing 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:20.800 with like a backlog of documents, and I was typically 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:24.160 able to get like a decent chunk of the work 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:27.520 done within like the first two to three hours, as 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:34.800 in like having it fully sorted, scanned, uploaded, completed, you know. 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:40.560 But unfortunately I had to be there for eight hours, 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:44.720 and so I had to drag out my day, you know, 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:49.480 typically by listening to like the Communist Manifesto an audiobook, yeah, 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:52.360 or The Conquest of Bad and audiobook. I had to 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:55.240 find things to do, is like make myself look busy, 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:59.000 um what to like divvy up my tasks and extend 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:02.960 them and spartificial they stretched them out because instead of 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:08.080 doing this BS job, instead of not doing this B 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:10.320 S job at all. Well, instead of doing this b 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:15.000 S job based on tasks completed rather than time spent, 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:18.320 I had to rely on the time spent in the 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:20.680 contractual I was And of course the pay was terrible, 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:25.600 but I mean that's expected at this point. But the 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:28.920 whole point is really to like squeeze all our time 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:33.000 and energy, so that's we're stressed out so that we 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:36.320 don't have any leisure, so that you know, we look 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:41.240 for convenience, and convenience is profitable. I mean, who really 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:44.160 has the energy to fight for their rights when they 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:46.560 don't even have the energy to cook a meal when 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:51.920 they get home, you know. And it wasn't always like this. 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:59.640 The social bond was broken by capitalism and replaced with 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:03.600 the on to money and until we like sever that bond, 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:08.399 nothing's going to change. The question is how can we 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:13.160 address stress? Right, and so capitalism has an answer, um, 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:17.600 And then there's like an actual proper real systemic and 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:23.280 so increasing the ideal was stressed by just not thinking 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:29.000 about it, um. But I mean, what what do you 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:36.600 guys do be really sad? I'm talking about like like 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:41.640 mitigation strategies, you know, Like I don't know, like when 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:46.840 it's nice. Like I go take walks, um walks are nice. Yeah, 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:50.120 I have a have a shark that I got from 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:53.320 somewhere that's like it's like the like the Squacy phone material, 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:57.919 just a shark. It rules. Do you have an idea shark? No? No, 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:00.680 no, no no, no, it's ok. It's all right. It's like 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:07.320 stall but about to just like, yeah, that's very funny. 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:09.119 I don't have a whatever that I don't know what. 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:15.879 I don't know how to say it either. I don't know. 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:19.240 I've been trying to get back into doing more park 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:26.560 or training when I'm stressed, But honestly, it's a lot 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:28.400 of the time I just do stuff that I know 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:32.280 I am capable of, which oftentimes is the same things 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:33.639 that kind of caused me to get stressed in the 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:39.639 first place. Looking at nonsense propaganda, writing about it um, 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:44.920 writing about like different like philosophies around Dumerism and like 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:47.640 because those are things I just my my brain can 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:51.080 just do with little efforts. So it's almost it's almost 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:55.360 peaceful in a way. Yeah, it's it's it's bizarre. I mean, 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:57.360 in some ways you would think that these things are 0:18:57.400 --> 0:18:59.840 what's causing me to have problems but also in a 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:03.119 lot of ways that kind of calms me down, Um, 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:05.400 to look at a whole bunch of this type of thing, 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:07.600 or to write about it, or to like try to 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:11.240 like you know, just do like formatting inside like a 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:14.320 Google doc about it. Um. I don't know. It's like 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:17.120 it's like sorting out the stuff. It's almost like there's 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:22.159 this idea. This is like um thing called knowling. It's 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:23.560 when you get a whole bunch of stuff out on 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:26.840 the floor and you sort of into piles. It's done 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:28.679 with like Lego a lot if you dump a giant 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:31.480 like box of Lego for all these different legal pieces. Um, 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:33.320 if you're gonna annull them, you're gonna take all the 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:35.359 pieces that are like the same color or size and 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:38.240 sort them into their little places. It's it's it's so 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:40.440 it's I kind of do that but with like ideas, 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:43.720 um and like with and like with writing projects, I 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:46.399 dump out all the things I'm currently thinking about into 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:48.520 like a spreadsheet or Google doc and sort them into 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:51.080 related topics to be like, Okay, here's how this thing 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:53.639 leads into this thing. And I just I it's like 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:57.000 that kind of like organizational thing. Um. So like like 0:19:57.119 --> 0:19:59.320 how organizing is kind of like a therapeutic then, so 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:01.800 it's like I can do that with all of the 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:05.000 random stuff floating around in my brain. Sometimes I'll try 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:06.640 to like just sort of out. Even if it doesn't 0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:09.080 get turned into like a work project, it's still like 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:15.720 it's like an external way to sort out my thoughts, right, Suphie. 0:20:18.119 --> 0:20:23.440 I have a dog, very good dog. A dog. We 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:28.320 listen to music. We go outside, well, like to go 0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:32.399 to the park and listen to music outside. You know, 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:36.399 that's the basic. I work a lot, but work is 0:20:36.440 --> 0:20:40.800 also like if I don't work, I'm more stressed exactly exactly. Yeah, 0:20:40.920 --> 0:20:46.480 I definitely I relate to that, which is like a 0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:49.159 lapdog for Cole. I know, right, it's not something that 0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:54.000 like proud of, but also like, you know, I'm lucky enough. 0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:57.280 Nothing that's indicative of the problem, right, Like it's not 0:20:57.400 --> 0:21:00.960 like people don't necessarily like to wooh do necessarily like 0:21:01.000 --> 0:21:06.800 to leave? Yes, she was like not having what's one 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:10.919 to me? You know, because I mean if most of 0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:12.840 the things I do for work now are things that 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:15.320 I've been doing for years unpaid because I was just 0:21:15.359 --> 0:21:18.280 interested in them. So you know, if we're talking about 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:21.159 theorizing about like a post work world. Yeah, people are 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:23.760 still going to do all kinds of ship. Obviously, there's 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:27.760 questions around you know, tasks which are not like not 0:21:27.880 --> 0:21:30.119 the most fun to do, as we've had discussions on 0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:32.840 like antiwork stuff before. But for a lot of stuff, 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:35.520 everyone has little interests in little skills that they find 0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:38.560 kind of slightly therapeutic. And also like you know, it's 0:21:38.640 --> 0:21:40.159 in terms of tasks that no one wants to do, 0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:42.480 like I fixed my own plumbing in my bathtub a 0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:45.080 few weeks ago because my landlord's not going to do that. 0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:47.760 So like you know, people when you when when you 0:21:47.800 --> 0:21:50.120 have to do something, you kind of become capable of it. 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:53.480 That's fair. I think one of the most popular responses, 0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:57.520 like the stresses, acomplism and pooses, is like this concept 0:21:57.520 --> 0:22:00.520 of self care, you know, this way of keeping from 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:03.919 the grind of it all and sure dealing with you know, 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:08.080 with issues by like getting to bed early and eating 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:11.720 well and physical exercise which I've been doing a lots 0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:18.359 of um and and all that. We'd have to change 0:22:18.359 --> 0:22:21.320 your little drug into like into like the chat version. 0:22:22.040 --> 0:22:31.080 Well I actually did that recently. That's great. Yeah, it's definitely. 0:22:32.040 --> 0:22:34.560 You know this thing also things like like joran and 0:22:35.000 --> 0:22:40.600 meditation and yoka and all that jazz. I mean, you've 0:22:40.760 --> 0:22:43.320 never really got into meditation because I tried it a 0:22:43.320 --> 0:22:46.120 couple of times and every time I do, I kind 0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:51.240 of fall asleep. I definitely do some meditation stuff. Um. 0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:53.240 But that's what's kind of slightly part of my like 0:22:53.960 --> 0:22:56.880 metaphysics interest, UM. And I mean also mean in terms 0:22:56.880 --> 0:22:59.400 of like self care practices in that vein that can 0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:02.800 help you kind of relax is obviously stuff like you know, 0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:05.800 mushrooms are m D M A, which if done and 0:23:05.880 --> 0:23:09.320 you know proper, you know, it's space spaced out, not 0:23:09.320 --> 0:23:11.159 not doing them all the time, but doing them at 0:23:11.200 --> 0:23:16.600 certain intervals, um, can definitely be be therapeuticum in their 0:23:16.600 --> 0:23:31.520 own way. Audrey Lord, one of the foremost Black Finer 0:23:31.640 --> 0:23:35.720 scholars of our time. One set and I returned to 0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:39.040 the school to lot um. Caring for myself is not 0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:42.800 an act of self intelligence. It is self preservation, and 0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:46.919 that is an active political warfare. Self care used to 0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:50.159 me in presuming yourself in a world hostiles are very 0:23:50.200 --> 0:23:55.240 identity community. We have life event not we give yourself 0:23:55.280 --> 0:23:58.960 to an early grieve, you know, practicingcy and new and 0:23:59.800 --> 0:24:05.040 be mindful of your sensitivities and triggers. And then you know, 0:24:05.400 --> 0:24:10.679 as white corporate feminism does, White corporate feminism appropriated it 0:24:10.840 --> 0:24:14.520 and turn it into a industry now worth a start 0:24:14.640 --> 0:24:19.000 and eleven billion dollars. Yeah, I mean now self care. 0:24:19.040 --> 0:24:20.920 When people think of self care, it's all about intelligent 0:24:20.960 --> 0:24:24.840 cosmetics and like serious bodies and overpriced candles and quintin 0:24:24.920 --> 0:24:29.879 expensive qualities and subscriptions to social media apps that are 0:24:29.920 --> 0:24:32.600 about like and it's it's turned into this own like 0:24:33.320 --> 0:24:37.160 grifting industry almost like that, the self care industry. It's 0:24:37.200 --> 0:24:41.600 like self care influencers and self care content creators and 0:24:41.800 --> 0:24:45.440 like it's just like it. It just gets It gets 0:24:45.480 --> 0:24:48.880 the same icky de realization feeling that everything else under 0:24:48.920 --> 0:24:52.639 capitalism is slowly getting. Yeah. I mean they even have 0:24:52.760 --> 0:24:55.480 like their own self care funds, like if you not. 0:24:55.600 --> 0:24:57.160 Just a lot of self care content has a very 0:24:57.160 --> 0:25:01.680 specific visual style. Yeah, you know, I mean hashtog, self 0:25:01.760 --> 0:25:06.360 can Instagram just like a bottomless screwl of graphics and products. 0:25:06.640 --> 0:25:09.080 It just makes me feel kind of unsettled. It kind 0:25:09.080 --> 0:25:12.760 of has this like uncanny aspect to it. Yeah, because 0:25:12.800 --> 0:25:15.120 it's almost of self care is unaccessible to the wise. 0:25:15.160 --> 0:25:19.119 It was creepy to help the moves. Yeah, yeah, I 0:25:19.160 --> 0:25:21.800 mean there's there's that. I mean, the fundamental part of 0:25:21.800 --> 0:25:25.359 the uncanny is that is that disconnect where the gap 0:25:25.440 --> 0:25:28.480 between the phenomenon and the thing is really is really big. 0:25:28.520 --> 0:25:31.000 And you can't really understand why it's uncanny, but if 0:25:31.000 --> 0:25:33.760 you think about it, it's because that gap between the 0:25:33.760 --> 0:25:37.120 thing what's supposed to be doing is so large. So yeah, 0:25:37.119 --> 0:25:39.119 this thing that's supposed to help all these people is 0:25:39.119 --> 0:25:45.480 now of white millennial like like up like middle upper 0:25:45.520 --> 0:25:54.199 class like aesthetic. Now, um, and that sucks exactly. I 0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:57.600 mean these days the people like it's mostly a salve 0:25:57.720 --> 0:26:01.560 for like white collar ucas whose jobs are also stucked 0:26:01.560 --> 0:26:03.399 them with their time managing creativity. But the people who 0:26:03.400 --> 0:26:06.480 are actually in the blue collar workers, they often have 0:26:06.520 --> 0:26:09.959 the time or money to be able to invest in themselves, 0:26:10.000 --> 0:26:14.080 not read self care and workhollars and basically two sides 0:26:14.119 --> 0:26:16.879 of the same coin. Right, it's preserve yourself so you 0:26:16.920 --> 0:26:20.520 can produce small it's a solution to capitalism. Within capitalism, 0:26:20.840 --> 0:26:23.960 the solution doesn't actually alleviate the conditions and stress, but 0:26:24.840 --> 0:26:32.960 lines pockets and fuels the economic system that creates it 0:26:33.040 --> 0:26:35.639 in the first place. I mean, if you're selling self 0:26:35.680 --> 0:26:39.000 care helps that you've got a constant supply of customers 0:26:39.560 --> 0:26:44.119 living in perpetual anxiety and wellness. Rather than means of 0:26:44.320 --> 0:26:48.600 resistance to the system. It's been weaponized by the system. 0:26:48.640 --> 0:26:52.000 It's become this performative thing we put on, this image 0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:54.800 of put togetherness where you carefully curate your feed and 0:26:54.880 --> 0:26:59.480 your Instagram stories in your highlights, and as an individualized 0:26:59.520 --> 0:27:03.960 solution systemic issues is it's like the system turning to 0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:07.959 calm down. Why I continue to denegrate and and exploit you. 0:27:10.240 --> 0:27:13.200 None of these things address stress systematically. I'm not saying 0:27:13.200 --> 0:27:18.240 that it's necessarily bad to address stress individually, because everybody 0:27:18.240 --> 0:27:24.520