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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number four

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Speaker 1: oh eight. Today the show, I am joined by Nick

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Speaker 1: Penzelto and Hank Forrester of the National Dear Association to

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Speaker 1: discuss the future of the Back forty property. All right,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by on x tay the show. Like I mentioned, we

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Speaker 1: are talking back forty. We're talking the future of the

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Speaker 1: Back forty and I'm excited to dive into this in

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Speaker 1: a real substantial way because, oh, this past fall we

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Speaker 1: gave you some light details. I told you a little

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Speaker 1: bit about what's going on, But today we get to

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Speaker 1: really flesh sh out and tell that story. And I

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Speaker 1: want to start from the very beginning quickly here and

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Speaker 1: and then bring you all the way to present day.

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Speaker 1: But before we get into that, I have got to

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Speaker 1: I've got to lead with the punch line, I guess,

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Speaker 1: which is that because we're so excited about this story

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Speaker 1: of of what's been going on with the Back forty project,

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Speaker 1: that's the property that we bought a Mediator that we've

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Speaker 1: been managing and documenting and sharing that story of the

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Speaker 1: last two years, and and now we're passing it on.

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Speaker 1: That story we're so excited about, especially this next chapter,

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Speaker 1: that we wanted to kind of throw a celebration. And

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Speaker 1: this celebration we're calling the back forty two Fork Giveaway,

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Speaker 1: And what we mean by that is that we are

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Speaker 1: doing a whole, big old giveaway over on the Mediator

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Speaker 1: website in which we are going to be making all

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Speaker 1: of you folks that want to sign up for that

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Speaker 1: that can sign up for this available to get your

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Speaker 1: hands on a first like kit, a weather be rifle,

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Speaker 1: UH Federal Premium ammal, I think up to five worth

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Speaker 1: of Federal Premium ammal, a bench made meet crafter knife,

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Speaker 1: a lifetime membership to on x F h F by

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Speaker 1: No Harness, Vortex Optics, and a whole bunch of other

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Speaker 1: cool stuff. Plus the three winners of this little sweepstakes deal,

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Speaker 1: each of them will get to nominate a new hunter

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Speaker 1: to get a special new hunter gear package too. So

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Speaker 1: if nothing else today, go on over to the meat

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Speaker 1: eater dot com slash fork to sign up for that

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Speaker 1: giveaway and to learn more about all the stuff we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be talking about today. You'll be able to watch

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Speaker 1: a video about this stuff that documents the story you're

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Speaker 1: gonna get to hear. You'll be able to get more details.

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Speaker 1: Sign up see all the rules and the specifics all

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Speaker 1: that stuff at the meat eater dot com, slash fork

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Speaker 1: and f y I on this contest. Uh I believe

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Speaker 1: the dates are. It opens February two and it ends

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Speaker 1: March fourth, two thousand one. So just f y on

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Speaker 1: that one. Now, let's get back to that story. Let's

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Speaker 1: get back to why I'm why we really why we

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Speaker 1: are also excited about this. The story begins with us,

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Speaker 1: you know, deciding to do this back forty project. We

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Speaker 1: decided to buy a farm and we're going to try

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Speaker 1: to steward this place. We're going to try to improve it,

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Speaker 1: manage it, nurture it, learn about it, fix this property

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Speaker 1: up to be a great representation of what you can

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Speaker 1: have when you manage for deer and other wildlife and hunting.

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Speaker 1: Can you get all those things together in the same place,

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Speaker 1: and then can you share that with people? Can you

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Speaker 1: bring other folks out to learn from this place? That's

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Speaker 1: the experiment we are trying to run with the Back forty,

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Speaker 1: and and really this the whole experience for me, really

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Speaker 1: bloomed into this, this idea of sharing, because as as

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Speaker 1: we progressively invited more and more people out there. First

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Speaker 1: things on this landscape and showcasing what can be done

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Speaker 1: out here, and inviting new hunters. We got two new

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Speaker 1: an organization out there who was doing many of the

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Speaker 1: organization was the National Deer Association formerly known as the

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Speaker 1: Quality Deer Management Association. And you know, in addition to

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Speaker 1: work that they do, they also spawned this new hunter

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Speaker 1: recruitment program called Field to Fork, which has gotten a

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Speaker 1: lot of great um momentum around what it's doing. This

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Speaker 1: this program they have which is helping bring adult onset

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Speaker 1: and developing educational experience, says, where these relationships build and

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Speaker 1: That's what they've done really, really well. And we got

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Speaker 1: cool things that came out of that idea. So long

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Speaker 1: story short, as most of you know, we've already announced

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Speaker 1: we have decided to donate the back forty property to

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Speaker 1: very excited about it. Good things are gonna be happening

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Speaker 1: and I'm personally thrilled about that. And it's a story

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Speaker 1: and that's what today's conversation is all about we're gonna

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Speaker 1: These are great guys. The National Deer Association is doing

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Speaker 1: Nick Penzelto and Hank Forrester from the National Deer Association. Gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: But there's so much more that I've always imagined that

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Speaker 1: so but you know, we've all seen many things that

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Speaker 1: it in action. Yeah, it was nice to see between

432
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 1: that hunt and my dad's hunt, that this one specific

433
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,199
Speaker 1: location that I gave a little bit more thought than

434
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 1: other places, you know, specifically thinking about where I've seen

435
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 1: these deer coming in and out of the timber, and

436
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: how I would hope they use the terrain, and then

437
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: placing the tower blind on the most likely downwind side

438
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 1: of this long, skinny food plot that I hoped would

439
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,880
Speaker 1: bring deer in but then move them along it. Um,

440
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 1: it actually worked out that way both times that we,

441
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 1: you know, spend time hunting it. And in our case,

442
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: you know, Nick, what was it, I don't know, an

443
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 1: hour and a half maybe after sitting down, this second

444
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: group of deer came working our way. It came all

445
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 1: the way out of the timber, and maybe there was

446
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: five six seven does maybe that worked their way out

447
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 1: into our brushy field and then straight to the food plot. Um,

448
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 1: and you were able to line up on one. I

449
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: don't know if she maybe do you remember how far

450
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 1: she was? Sixty yards, seventy yards something like that. Yeah,

451
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,199
Speaker 1: I think it was something in that neighborhood. We had

452
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 1: had the discussion in the blind just prior to that.

453
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:38,919
Speaker 1: We we wanted the deer to get out into the

454
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: plot if we could presented a good shot opportunity. And

455
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: you know, one one thing that I remember, and you'd

456
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,959
Speaker 1: asked me how many deer we thought we saw, I'm

457
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 1: gonna say we thought we saw like at least ten deer.

458
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: My memory a little fuzzy now because it's been a

459
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: little while, but it was. It was no shortage of deer,

460
00:24:55,800 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: and they were they were very edgy, obviously, these being

461
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: in Michigan where we were with hunting pressure and whatnot. Uh.

462
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: The lead though, actually the one I ended up taking,

463
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: she was very aware of of that blind and um,

464
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 1: you know, just she was not gonna just really nearly

465
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 1: got walking out there and start feeding and the same

466
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: thing with your deer, so um, you know, it's just

467
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 1: it was it was. It was a lot of deer,

468
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 1: and I thought too, uh, you know, we'll then we'll

469
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: get into Hank's story too. But walking out, I remember

470
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 1: the number of tracks that we saw a deer that

471
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: none of us would have seen from where we were.

472
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: That we're fresh tracks from that evening. So there were

473
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,120
Speaker 1: there were deer all over that place that night. Yeah, yeah,

474
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: that's that's true. We even even I remember going to

475
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 1: recover your deer, we saw more deer off in the

476
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: distance in the other field running off. So yeah, they were.

477
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 1: They were out and about that night, that's for sure.

478
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: And you got a great shot on your dough that

479
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: came out with that first group of five or six

480
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: or whatever they went running back in. And then maybe

481
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 1: over the course of the next half hour or so,

482
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 1: we spotted these deer come back out of the timber.

483
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: Either the same ones are different, I'm not sure which,

484
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 1: but two deer eventually filtered out and came our direction,

485
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: one of them being I think it was too one

486
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: of them being a nice, big, mature dough And she

487
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 1: finally stepped out and we were waiting for her to

488
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,360
Speaker 1: turn broadside. And as we're waiting for her to turn broadside,

489
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: we hear a big gaboom from the next field over

490
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 1: and Hay shot one, and then moments later our doll

491
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: finally turned it. I got a crack and she went

492
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: running off and toppled over. So that was two for

493
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 1: two for us in our blind. Uh, Hank, what was

494
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 1: what was the quick rundown of your night? Well, I

495
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: guess we were in the honey hole. Um and uh,

496
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: I think we ended up seeing five deer that evening.

497
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: It was it's kind of slow for the you know,

498
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: maybe first hour. And uh, actually we kind of missed

499
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 1: took an earlier shot I guess from a neighboring property,

500
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 1: thinking it might have been y'all, but um, you know,

501
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: not being used to the straight wall cartridges and facing

502
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 1: away from us and everything. When Nick later shot, we

503
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: realized that that was not in fact y'all originally. And

504
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: um and then a little bit later a dough and

505
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,959
Speaker 1: two fonds came from your direction, kind of surprised us,

506
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 1: and um eventually presented a nice broadside shot just down

507
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: in the food plot. Um, kind of where the honey

508
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: hoole and uh and your woodline right there kind of

509
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: bottleneck um and uh, and we ended up seeing two

510
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,959
Speaker 1: other deer other than those three. But um, you know,

511
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: just a beautiful evening um in Michigan, and I'm lucky

512
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: to harvest and nice stove. It was a great it

513
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: was a great night. And uh, I'm gonna have to

514
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: apologize in advance for this, but I'd be remiss if

515
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: I didn't throw you under the bus real quick, Hank,

516
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: and talk about the most the most explosive gutting incident

517
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: I personally have ever witnessed. We're watching you gut your

518
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 1: dear or watching you gut your deer, and you're doing

519
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: a really great job, and you're being careful. And I

520
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 1: think in the midst of you discussing this, we are

521
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: talking about how you've had to teach so many new hunters,

522
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 1: or you know, showcase to many new hunters, you know,

523
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: through field of fork, how to do this process. And

524
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: something along that line of conversation was going on. And

525
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: as we're talking about like teaching people to gut, you

526
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: slip the knife a little bit. It popped the stomach

527
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: and it just exploded all up your arms mark in

528
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: your jacket. I mean, I've never seen anything that bad.

529
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: I mean, would you describe it differently? Hank, I think

530
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: that's pretty close to reality. But I have replayed that

531
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: moment in my mind, you know, the nine hour drive

532
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: home or whatever. Um, try and you know, washing the

533
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: jacket to try to figure out what happened. Um, that

534
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: jacket will never go hunting ever again. It got de

535
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: scented laundry detergent, and I don't think it will ever

536
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: come out. But but no, you're absolutely right. You made

537
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: some comment of all, you know, great clean gutting job,

538
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: and next thing I know, there's just a I mean

539
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: a quarter of an inch slit in that stomach. And

540
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: I guess because of that small hole. I don't know

541
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: if the top of the gut hook kind of punctured

542
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: the stomach or what. Um, but yes, the small hole

543
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: uh created a pressure behind it. And I have not

544
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: experienced anything like that myself either. But if there's any

545
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: ever a teaching moment, I want all these potential new

546
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,719
Speaker 1: hunters and aspiring hunters out there to know that you

547
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: know you can even you know all of us will

548
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: make mistakes, but you know you can get through it

549
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: and the meat is still fine and you and still

550
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: take it home and serve it. Yeah, maybe it's a

551
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: teaching moment. But yes, it wasn't an adventure. And we

552
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: we joked during we joked after that that I had

553
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: plans of making the video that was going to come

554
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: from this hunt. It was gonna be seven minutes of

555
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: the hunt and then seven minutes of you dealing with

556
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: that mess. I can I can now tell you, Hank,

557
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: that we didn't do that to you. The video, the

558
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: video is done and you're gutting incident is nowhere to

559
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: be seen. So yeah, it's podcast exclusive exactly. So it was,

560
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: it was right now, I want to rescue I want

561
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: to rescue Hanker tad here because in full disclosure, we

562
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: mark you and I. We got to arguere while there

563
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: was still daylight, so we got to uh to do

564
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: our work while we could still see. And in the meantime,

565
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: Hanks was sitting there and gaining a little bit of

566
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: I guess some some stomach ex ans and while we

567
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: were waiting, and then we asked him to do it dark, so, um,

568
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: you know, well, we'll give him to throw him a

569
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: little bit of a life line there and say that

570
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,479
Speaker 1: his his conditions for having to deal with it were

571
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: a little bit tougher there. You go. That's a man, Hank.

572
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: That's that's true leadership right there. From Nick, You've got

573
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: a good one. You've got a good one. Uh Man.

574
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: It was it was a great It was a great

575
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: hunt and a great visit. Um. I was really glad

576
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: that you guys were able to make it down and

577
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: have that kind of introduction to the place. Okay, you've

578
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: you've seen the farm, and we are now passing this

579
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: place onto you guys. And there's there's two different sides

580
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: of what I'm envisioning happening there in the property. The

581
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: first thing I'd like to hear about is how you

582
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: guys are thinking about I don't know if you I

583
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: don't think you guys know the specifics yet, but I'd

584
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: love to learn more about how you plan to think

585
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: about the management on the farm, Like how are what

586
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: are you guys thinking about doing? How are you thinking

587
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: about continuing any of the work that we started when

588
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: it came to habitat management or deer management or anything

589
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: like that. You know, are you guys going to practice

590
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: quality deer management practices on the place or is it

591
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: different because this is going to be um used for

592
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: new hunter engagements. I've got a lot of questions just

593
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: around all of that. UM, what either one of you

594
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: guys want to share perspective on on what the farm

595
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: looks like from that perspective, Sure, I'll take that. UM.

596
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: You know your listeners aren't aware, but I know we've

597
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: engaged you in some of this. But UM, you know,

598
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: we want to obviously continue a lot of what you've

599
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: done on the property. UM. You know, as a as

600
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: a national you know, deer focused conservation organization, we teach

601
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: people you know, how to hunt all the way to

602
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: habitat management and herd management and all that kind of

603
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: good stuff. So of course we want to continue, um,

604
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: the improvement of the property, the management of the property

605
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: that you have done, and and to do that, we're

606
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: going to rely on a group of both kind of

607
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: local and statewide volunteers um you know, national Deer Association members, um,

608
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: who who have experience or interest um in kind of

609
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: managing the property. UM. So we've kind of convened a

610
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: small habitat committee as we're calling them, and plan to

611
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: expand that, and of course they're looking for for new

612
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: volunteers and anybody who has interest in helping both from

613
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: the habitat and management side to uh, you know, mentoring

614
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: new hunters and community engagement and all that. But UM,

615
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: you know, we want a seamless transition of the management

616
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: and just oversight of the property UM, and want to

617
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: continue your legacy. And so we plan to be UM

618
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: on the ground soon with an in person tour UM

619
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: for those kind of hands on individuals UM and kind

620
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: of bring them up to speed on where we stand. UM.

621
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: You know, dreams that weren't realized. I mean, just as

622
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: we've dealt with and you know it's the things that happened. UM.

623
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: I know that some of your plans had to change

624
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,439
Speaker 1: because of certain situations, and and we want to get

625
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: to projects that you might have not had time to do.

626
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: But to maintain a property that's its beneficial for engaging

627
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: the community and mentory new hunters, but also providing quality

628
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 1: wildlife habitat UM even you know, a showcase for locals

629
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: on what they can do with their properties. But all

630
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: in all, we just want to carry on the ideals

631
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 1: and and and things that you incorporated in the back

632
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: forty in that project and make sure that we utilize

633
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: the property the best we can UM for the future

634
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: of wildlife and management and area but also for for

635
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: new hunters and and deer hunting. Would you would you

636
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: add anything to that, Nick, Yeah, I think Hank Hank

637
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: did a great job there. I'll just say that it's

638
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: interesting too because as an organization we are we've always

639
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: been about conservation, no question. But I think what people

640
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: have seen about us is that we are UM. They

641
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: saw us as being a quality deer organization, meeting big deer,

642
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: that type of thing, and so UM, I think that

643
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: this property is a conservation property. It's one of the

644
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: things that impressed me when I was first watching the show.

645
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: You have bee hives there, you know, you're you're thinking

646
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,439
Speaker 1: about those types of things, pollinators, pre planning, and so

647
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: we want to take this is this is also an

648
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: opportunity for us to have people be acquainted with who

649
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: we are as an organization. And because of the the

650
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: type of following that you all get, UM and you know,

651
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: not that we don't have a following either, but we

652
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: think ears is different. We think it gets to the

653
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: people that really need to see what we're all about.

654
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 1: So we're also excited about it from that aspect um

655
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 1: as well. On that front, you know what would um

656
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: when you say that Nick, what what specifically is that

657
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: you want these people to see about the National Deer Association,

658
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: Is it? I mean, I can make some assumptions, some inferences,

659
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: but if if I were to say, okay, Nick, well

660
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: what is that exactly? Tell us right now? You know

661
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: what is the message this? What is this message? Yeah?

662
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 1: And I'm glad you asked that I have this kind

663
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: of crazy vision and I may have told you about

664
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: it in the past, but um, I have a vision

665
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: that someday people will join our organization while having no

666
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: intention to even shoot a deer. And so they'll join

667
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 1: because they recognize the conservation value the deer bring, not

668
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: not just as a hundred species, but that's a big

669
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: part of it. So for example, when seven out of

670
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: ten people that hunt hunt deep and and the next

671
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: animals not not even close, not even half that. Um,

672
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: that's a huge, huge piece of the pie. When it

673
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: comes to conservation of all wildlife species. The amount of

674
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: money that goes to state wildlife agencies from sale of

675
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: hunting licenses, from purchasing equipment to go hunt deer, um,

676
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: that's a that's a huge piece and deer critical to

677
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: that and so we need healthy deer. We need a

678
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: healthy deer hunting heritage, and we need conservation, and that's

679
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: what we're about. We want to achieve broad conservation conservation

680
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: of all species through the management of deer. And it's

681
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: not this is this is not like maybe it was

682
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, where you could just kind

683
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: of take deer for granted. They were everywhere. Not to

684
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: say that deer still aren't everywhere, but that's threatened by

685
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: other things. Now. They're threatened by loss of habitats. They're

686
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: threatened by things like chronic wasting disease, they're threatened by

687
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: threatened by changing weather patterns. Frankly um, So there's just

688
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: a lot out there, and deer need a steward, they

689
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 1: need a spokesperson. So this is an opportunity to tell people,

690
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: to tell everybody hun or not, de are pretty guarding

691
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: important and they're not just something that you maybe you know,

692
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: hit with your buick, uh you know that are seed

693
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: eating your flower gardens. They're important and I think we

694
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: have a responsibility to tell people that and get them

695
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 1: behind Dear. Yeah, yeah, I love it. I couldn't agree

696
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: more so. So I'm excited to hear Hank and and

697
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: we've already talked about some of these things, and I've

698
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: had some conversations with the committee, But I'm excited about

699
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: the ideas you guys have around trying to kind of

700
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: take our initial set of plans and kind of give

701
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: them jet fuel and get out there and do the

702
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 1: things that I wish we could have but never could have.

703
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: Um And and I'm sure you guys are gonna have

704
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: some other ideas to bringing on the experts that you

705
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: have within your teams and within your volunteer base. So well,

706
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: that gets me really excited. I mean, I know that

707
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: what you're telling us, Nick is something that ever one

708
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 1: at media was really excited about, which is the fact

709
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: that you guys would be looking at this, you know,

710
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: as a larger conservation initiative. This This isn't gonna be

711
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: like an exclusive property for a couple of people, shoot

712
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,439
Speaker 1: big Bucks. That's not what's happening in the back Ford.

713
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: It this is going to be a place that is

714
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: representative and it is illustrative of what you can do

715
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: on a property to conserve wildlife and plant life, and

716
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:44,439
Speaker 1: and then also using as an educational resource to teach

717
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: other people how to think about those things in their

718
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 1: own place, or how to hunt or how to improve

719
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: a piece of property. Are all those different things the

720
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 1: things that we wanted to do um and and started

721
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: to do. It's it's exciting to hear that you're going

722
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 1: to continue with those same um ideas and missions going

723
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: forward and then putting your own spin and expertise behind it. Um. Hey,

724
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: is there anything you can share as far as I

725
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 1: don't know any of the conversations you've had with volunteers

726
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: or the committees around some of the specific projects that

727
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: folks are excited about taking on or thinking about taking on.

728
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: I just I gotta believe that people are curious, like, hey,

729
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: are they gonna plant more trees? Are they gonna do

730
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: more food? Plus has there been any I know decisions

731
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 1: haven't been made, probably, but I'm just curious if there's

732
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: any kind of teaser you can provide us all as

733
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 1: far as what might year three in the back forward

734
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,919
Speaker 1: it look like when it comes to sending Josh further

735
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: Hilliard out there to get to work. Oh man, uh,

736
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: as you know, our guys are hungry and and they're

737
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: chomping at the bit. Um. I think expanding the trees

738
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,760
Speaker 1: plantings on the property as a given. UM. Of course

739
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,760
Speaker 1: we're we're working on the other things like a conservation

740
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: ease meant on the property, UM, expanding food plots, UM,

741
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: doing a little bit more UM to turn the fields

742
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: over to a more native plant life. UM. You know,

743
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: this guy's the limit and and they're really excited. UM.

744
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: Our next step is really getting them on the property

745
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: and giving them the real view. We've done a zoom

746
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,720
Speaker 1: tour UM, but nothing will you know, take the place

747
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 1: of them seeing the property as we got to. UM.

748
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: But you know, we we hope to continue and and

749
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: do more. And I think it will turn into three

750
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: and then four and year five and UM, gosh only knows.

751
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: But we've got some real talent on the committee and

752
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 1: some and some people with a lot of energy and

753
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: an expertise. So UM, I have no doubt in my

754
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: mind that the management of both habitat and wildlife on

755
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: the property is is looking good. UM. And of course,

756
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: as Nick said earlier, we we look forward to you

757
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: continuing to check up on us. You've got that that

758
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: free pass anytime you won't and we look forward to

759
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: keeping you posted on you know, the continued work on

760
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: the property. Yeah, I'm excited about that too. And here's

761
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 1: a question, you know, old school qut um kind of

762
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: ideas around making harvest decisions on deer. There was always

763
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 1: some people that would say, well, you've got to stick

764
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: to your management goals. If we're if we're targeting you know,

765
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: three or four year old bucks, that's what everyone has

766
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: to do. Um. And so there's some people that talk

767
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: like that, and then there's other people that say, you know,

768
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: everyone has, you know, have your own goal, but when

769
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: it comes to new hunters or kids, you should really

770
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: think about, you know, giving them a different entry point,

771
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: you know, to have more opportunity. UM. I'm sure there's

772
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: people who heard about us giving the property to the

773
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 1: formerly known as the Quality Deer Management Association and thought, ma'am,

774
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 1: what does that mean for all these new hunters that

775
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: suppose we're going out there to have to wait you

776
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: have to wait for a big buck to come out

777
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: to shoot? Or alternatively, are they going to shoot every

778
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: year they see and fifty are gonna get killed out

779
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: there next year? I've already heard that people asking like,

780
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: what does this mean for the deer herd? Um? Could

781
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: other one of you guys, you know, clear the air

782
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: on that or maybe provide some color as to any

783
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: thoughts you've had around that. I'll take a quick stab

784
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 1: and then Hank may want to fill in. So Um,

785
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: just kind of smiling as I hear you talk, because

786
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: I can I can see these are here are these

787
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: questions coming in and so um, you know, every every

788
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: property has its own unique opportunity and also should have

789
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: its own very unique management goals. I think our goal

790
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: there is again it's it's it is. This is a

791
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 1: it's a vision. Okay, it's a it's a it's a vision,

792
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: and we want to educate in terms of hunters on

793
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 1: the property. I think that we want to educate people

794
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 1: about things like age structure and the importance of having

795
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: a balanced age and sex structure in your herd. But

796
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 1: we also have to recognize that we're working on a

797
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 1: pretty small property in the grand scheme of things, and

798
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: so that means we have limitations. You shot two bucks there,

799
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: mark that I think are pretty indicative of what is

800
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 1: possible there um, just with patients. And so I think

801
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: that if if we can give our participants that hunt

802
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: their opportunities at they can they can shoot a yearling

803
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: buck if that satisfies them. But also to potentially have

804
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: an opportunity at something a little older. It would be

805
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: nice to tell them, hey, just so you know, here's

806
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: what we know about the property based on observance and

807
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: trail camera pictures and whatnot. But it's your decision. And

808
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: so to me, the real goal there is the conservation

809
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: message and to improve a property and have happy, healthy deer.

810
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 1: And if we can do that and also do things

811
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: like keep a good age structure and be able to

812
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: have two or three deer running around like the ones

813
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: you've taught the last couple of years, I look at

814
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 1: that as winning. I think that's a great experience for people,

815
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: and I think that should be our goal. That's awesome, Hank,

816
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: Would you add anything? Sure? Um? Yes, I mean a

817
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: lot of people have opinions of what we've we've you know,

818
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,919
Speaker 1: what we've taught or what we've championed over the years,

819
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of it is is a

820
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: misrepresentation or just um a little off you know. Uh,

821
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: you know, cut you may always said that if you

822
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: protect most of your yearly and bucks, you know you're

823
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: doing a good thing. And and for first time hunters,

824
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: we have never set any guidelines ourselves we have obviously,

825
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: you know, hosted events on properties where we went with

826
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: guidelines of that property. But as as for us, I mean,

827
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: um any legal dear. You know, I've set with plenty

828
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: of these filled to four hunters over the years. And

829
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: and it's if if you'd like to put that deer

830
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: in your freezer, it's that's you. That's your decision, you know, um,

831
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: and all power to them. You know. Um, I'm a

832
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: meat hunter. UM, I love to shoot those and you know, um,

833
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: you know that's that's kind of my motivation as a

834
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: hunter per se. But um, you know, this kind of

835
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: brings me back to you know, our point where you know,

836
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 1: how many people can you hunt on the Back forty

837
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 1: And and correct me if I'm wrong, but a lot

838
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 1: of your intentions with the Back forty project were to

839
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: show what someone could do with a you know, a

840
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,280
Speaker 1: fairly average or or a property that is excess sable,

841
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: too many and available in many parts of this country.

842
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: And so for for our success using the property for

843
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: Filled the Fork per se, it will be all utilizing

844
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: the property to the best of its potential, but inspiring

845
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 1: the network of back forties both locally around the Back

846
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 1: forty and and a patchwork throughout the country because we need,

847
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: you know, hunters and and managers of the back forties

848
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: across the country to understand that they can have an

849
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: impact on the future of honey. Not only can they

850
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 1: manage their property and the animals that you know you

851
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: were there, but they can they can be very influential

852
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: locally to create community around people who are interested in

853
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: learning to hunt or you know, to mentor new hunters.

854
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: And so it's really from our point of view, we

855
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: want to take this property and take kind of your

856
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: same intention, but o others that you can do this too,

857
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: and and so even at a local level, the success

858
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: around the Back forty in Michigan will be the community

859
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: and the patchwork even locally that we can create around it,

860
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 1: inspire others to join us, to create more hunters and

861
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: create a community of of food focused adult hunters, you know,

862
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 1: a diverse group of people who who share a passion

863
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: for for hunting and wild foods and and that kind

864
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: of stuff, and and also are known kind of as

865
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: if you want to learn to hunt, you need to

866
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: get in touch with these people. And really that's that's

867
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 1: our intention, and that's the dream now is to create

868
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: that around this opportunity. Yeah, I think that's I think

869
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: that's spot on, and it makes it makes a lot

870
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: of sense now for people who maybe aren't as familiar

871
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: with Field to Fork. Um. It's something that we've talked

872
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: about previously on this podcast. We've talked about it in

873
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: detail on the Mediator podcast. But I want to just

874
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: be sure, just in case people are new they're not

875
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: aware of what this program is. Can you give me

876
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: the cliff notes on what the Field to Fork program

877
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: is that you guys run. Um, just a quick overview

878
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 1: of of what this thing is we're talking about, and

879
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: then we can kind of we can then dive into

880
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: how that is going to play out on the back

881
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: for you. Awesome, Yeah, Phil, The fork is is a

882
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: modern food focused adult learn to hunt program that um

883
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: we kind of created. The name started as a workshop

884
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: in Kentucky in the you know, mid two thousands, and

885
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: with permission and everything, we took their name and went

886
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 1: to the Farmers Market in Athens, Georgia, just to kind

887
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: of take the data and and kind of the cultural

888
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: changes we're seeing in the United States with the advent

889
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: of farmers markets and organic grocery stores and all that

890
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 1: you know, the metrics and and the changing you know

891
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 1: values in this country bode very well for the future

892
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: of hunting. People care about where their food comes from. Um,

893
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: you know, local sustainable people seem to be um, you know,

894
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:18,760
Speaker 1: yearning for a deeper connection with nature and especially after

895
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: the last year self reliance. But we wanted to create

896
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: a program that took adults, you know, your most efficient audience,

897
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: and tried to create a sustainable program that created lasting hunters.

898
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,919
Speaker 1: And you know, we we made our own mistakes over

899
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: the early years, but after and seventeen, we kind of

900
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: created a program that we thought worked, pairing uh, local

901
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: first time hunters with local hunters who were sharing their

902
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 1: stands and access UM and really creating community around it,

903
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: you know, having organized education and shared meals and and

904
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: and range time and and really it was it was

905
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 1: simply about building a local community of hunters and and

906
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: and new hunters who who kind of shared all this

907
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: infectious passion and and you know, memory of what it

908
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: was like for them to get their first year. But um,

909
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: you know, we started with replications. We had eight programs.

910
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: By we had twenty six programs in seventeen states. We've

911
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 1: you know, I truly believe that the most sustainable and

912
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: the most lasting programs will be these community based programs

913
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: that I mentioned, where it's an extended period of you know,

914
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 1: learning to hunt with local new hunters and local mentors

915
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: and and Sherry Mills and camaraderie. It's about creating social

916
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 1: support and and building that confidence of these new hunters

917
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,720
Speaker 1: and giving them the avenues and resources that they need

918
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: to to you know, find their own path to becoming

919
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: and self identifying as a hunter. And so you know,

920
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: we've we've focused on these community kind of programs in

921
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: many states, but we've also tried destination programs where we

922
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: had an opportunity at a private property or or something

923
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: else a public land where we could rent cabins, where

924
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: we just brought people in for four day events and

925
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: kind of condensed everything into one. We've gotten into industry

926
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: filled to forks where we've hosted programs for Ruger and

927
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: six Hour, most recently Daniel Defense and and hoping to

928
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: host one for Vortex this year. UM. But we realized

929
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: quickly when you know, even my staff was seeing what

930
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: we were doing in Athens, they were interested in signing up.

931
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 1: And so we've we hosted one for our staff and

932
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: and so that's kind of what we're inspiring industry to do. UM.

933
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: We've partnered with the FEDS and unfilled the forks on

934
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 1: national Wildlife refugees, most recently in Virginia at the Aqua

935
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: Columbay National Wildlife Refuge But UM, you know, we're just

936
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: trying to prove that that this can happen anywhere, that

937
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 1: you can get a group of people together that are

938
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: fairly knowledgeable about hunting and willing to share their knowledge,

939
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: UM hopefully share some of their resources and their access.

940
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 1: But UM, you know, we need a lot more people

941
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: mentoring new hunters UM, and we need to diversify hunting

942
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: and it's a fun way to do it. UM. You

943
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,399
Speaker 1: know you mentioned they can go to Deer Association dot

944
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: com slash FtF filled the Fork UM, and you can

945
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,720
Speaker 1: see a video we did in or even a PBS

946
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: episode of Reconnecting Roots from last year with Steve and

947
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: right Callahan and us UM, as well as the previous

948
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: podcast that myself and Charles were with you. But UM,

949
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: of course kind of changed things a little bit. We

950
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: had to cancel programs that we couldn't you know, safely

951
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: socially distanced or adapt but it created its own opportunities

952
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 1: and were really fleshed out kind of the remote learning

953
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: and realizing that we can we can teach people about

954
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: deer hunting UM Hunter Education. We have an online deer

955
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: hunting one on one course that UM with Today's Hunter

956
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: or Calcumy that's online UM. And we were able to

957
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 1: utilize these online resources to kind of train our hunters

958
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 1: at home and impair them with hunters and get them

959
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 1: out UM. So it kind of proved even more avenues

960
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 1: and opportunities to where we we of course want to

961
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: focus on organized events, but we can also you know,

962
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 1: really fulfill a need for individuals, you know, anywhere where

963
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 1: we might not have organized programs to to help them

964
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: build the confidence and find the avenues too, to find

965
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 1: their way of field and hopefully become lasting hunters. I

966
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,720
Speaker 1: love the program and excited to see it continue to grow.

967
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:59,919
Speaker 1: And I've always thought that the trick has been doing

968
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 1: what you guys are talking about doing, which is figuring

969
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: out how to scale this thing and how to how

970
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 1: to get it so that there's more and more and

971
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 1: more people inspired to to help volunteer and launch their

972
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: own field of fork events all across the country. That

973
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: seems to be the that's the there's the rub is

974
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: how do you get enough people and then get them

975
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: the right tools to do these things themselves in partnership

976
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: with you guys or whatever. Um. So I'm just kind

977
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: of curious. And I don't know if this is a

978
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: question for you, Hank, or if it's Nick or both

979
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 1: of you. I'm just curious, Um, what's the future look like?

980
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 1: Where do you see this in the next year or two?

981
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: What's what's the next step for the field of fork program?

982
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: Because I know what you've established, We've we've covered this

983
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 1: in detail and why it seems to be such a

984
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 1: h an idea with so much potential that you guys

985
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 1: have already seen such potential. But what's what is next? Where?

986
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: How do you take that next step? Like I'll take

987
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 1: less wing and intern go ahead about I was gonna

988
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: turn it over to you real quick here. I just

989
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that, um, scale is important, and

990
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: that's why I said that the back forty is is

991
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 1: an idea and it's an idea we need to share.

992
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: And part of taking it to scale is being able

993
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: to show a lot of people what it is, but

994
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: then being able to help them do it on their own.

995
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: There's no there's no future of the National Beer Association.

996
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: We're gonna hold five hundred field before events across the country.

997
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 1: It's just not realistic. And we've talked about that internally.

998
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: But I'll go ahead and let Hank take it from here. Now.

999
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 1: Nick's absolutely right. I mean, um, I hope gets back

1000
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 1: to you know, replication mode, and and you know, any

1001
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:48,479
Speaker 1: of our branches, other groups, Um, you know, we were

1002
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: happy to help people learn from what we've done, share

1003
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: our successes, share our failures, and hope that they can

1004
00:56:56,040 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 1: build similar programs and opportunities. Um, you know, and every

1005
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: every opportunity is unique. So that's that's the you know,

1006
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 1: the biggest thing I can kind of convey to people.

1007
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: But UM, you know, we all have to understand as organizations,

1008
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: as groups of people are even as individuals. You know,

1009
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:16,959
Speaker 1: if if we take the time to do this, which

1010
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like it's our duty, we can

1011
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: we can make strides and we have you know, you know,

1012
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: as bad as the pandemic is, we saw an increase

1013
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: in hunting participation last year. People had more time to

1014
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: get outside and UM. You know, we want to make

1015
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: sure that you know they can continue that retention is

1016
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: a big thing. But UM poll and all we want

1017
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: to we we've built resources. There's also resources that we

1018
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: created with a t A that are like checklists, full

1019
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: full curriculum and guides to replicating field to fork. We

1020
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: hope to create new content and and update and continue

1021
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: to build new resources. You know, if people are interested

1022
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: and signing up for a field to fork. We have

1023
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: been overwhelmed by people wanting to to sign up for

1024
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: a field to fork. Many things to meet either and

1025
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: you but also some some press and and we're building

1026
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: ways to connect them with local mentors. But you know,

1027
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: for a new hunter who's interested, UM, we're building out

1028
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: Dear Association dot com slash new Hunter in a way

1029
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: that they can they can let us know where they

1030
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 1: are and what they're interested in. But at the same

1031
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: time we will provide you know, our free resources as

1032
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 1: well as paid resources and and other avenues that we

1033
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:41,919
Speaker 1: think they can UM hopefully find opportunity of field whether

1034
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 1: with us or without UM. But we want to just

1035
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: continue to grow filled the fork, grow the content UM

1036
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: and and and make it more applicable and approachable to

1037
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: war people. And and the biggest thing is bringing on

1038
00:58:56,120 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: a massive partners. We're working with a diver you know,

1039
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 1: canvas of partners in different states. We've never shied away

1040
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: from helping even states where we traditionally didn't operate in.

1041
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,919
Speaker 1: We've we've held filled the forks in Alaska. We've we've

1042
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: helped you know, California are three create programs, many estate agencies.

1043
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 1: But we're not trying to um, you know, keep this internal.

1044
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: We just hope that we can share what we've learned

1045
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: um you know, inspire others, empower others. And obviously, I

1046
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: think if anything, we we've showed that there's an there's

1047
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: an opportunity here that there are millions of new hunters

1048
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: and diverse new hunters that might not be focused on

1049
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 1: the same things that that we grew up learning to

1050
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: be focused on or whatever. But through that diversification of

1051
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: hunters and and UM and just that changing culture, there's

1052
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: an opportunity here to have one heck of an awesome community.

1053
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 1: And we're seeing it and and honestly, it's it's much

1054
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: too um to what you guys are doing a meat

1055
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: eat and at Wired to Hunt, I mean you've helped

1056
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 1: to create this entire new contingent of hunters and and

1057
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 1: spark interests in these new groups. And and I guess

1058
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,479
Speaker 1: that's the biggest takeaway and why we want to help

1059
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: all these other groups do this is you know, there's

1060
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 1: there's such a diverse opportunity here and and like we

1061
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: mentioned with you know, I've spoken with Ford at First

1062
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 1: Light for years about the opportunities of Filled to Fork

1063
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: and even the opportunity within First Light to mentor their

1064
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: own hunters, and they're doing that, and Steve and the

1065
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: honest and you guys, I mean even you this year

1066
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 1: on the back four to you have champion mentoring new hunters,

1067
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 1: and you have found that that those new hunters exist

1068
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: in your own you know, businesses or or companies. And

1069
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: and so that's the thing is why would we hold

1070
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 1: hold keys to this when we really need we need

1071
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: First Light and we need meet either and we need

1072
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Speaker 1: every one of these groups to continue to to both

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01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 1: look internally and look externally on ways that they can

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01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 1: get new hunters a field and create new hunters um

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01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 1: And that's really the opportunity. I love it if if

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01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 1: someone's here in this right now, and I don't ask

1077
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 1: you to repeat this at the end of our conversation too,

1078
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 1: But while we're on the specific topic, if someone's here

1079
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: in this right now and thinks to themselves, yeah, I

1080
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: need to try to make something like this happened in

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01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 1: my community or at my company or in my branch

1082
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. UM, can you repeat that resource

1083
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 1: or that landing page where people can go to get

1084
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: your toolkit and and whatever it is they need to

1085
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 1: connect with you to either set up one of these

1086
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 1: events through through you guys, or to set up their own. Sure, UM.

1087
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 1: You know, for any new hunters, it's Dear Association dot

1088
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: com slash New Hunter, and that's the quickest way to

1089
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 1: give us your information, UM, where you can be connected

1090
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 1: with local resources, local events, that kind of stuff. For

1091
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 1: for groups or mentors, we were building out a mentor

1092
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 1: landing page much in the same way as the new

1093
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 1: Hunter page, but as of right now, UM is not up.

1094
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: If they want to email me at Hank at Deer

1095
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 1: Association dot com or go to the Field to Fork

1096
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 1: website again, that's Deer Association dot Com slash FtF UM.

1097
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 1: My email is all over that website. You can find

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01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 1: all the information all the summaries of almost everything we've

1099
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 1: done in Field to Fork, from our own writings to

1100
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 1: you know, um covering the podcast we've done with you

1101
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: and that kind of stuff in videos so we've produced

1102
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,959
Speaker 1: or been on. So um, there's kind of your three

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01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 1: resources right there. Perfect. Okay, So let's let's talk about

1104
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 1: the next step, which is we kind of alluded to

1105
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 1: some things here, but let's talk specifics or at least

1106
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: as as much specificity as you guys have been able

1107
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:07,959
Speaker 1: to nail down yourselves, but specifically, what do you think

1108
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 1: Field the Fork looks on looks like on the back

1109
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 1: forty this year? Have you guys talked about this, like

1110
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 1: how many hunters you think you'll be able to have

1111
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 1: out there this year or how many different events you

1112
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 1: might be able to have out there this year? Has

1113
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 1: that been something you guys have been able to broach

1114
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 1: yet or still in the planning phases? Sure, Um, it

1115
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: is definitely in the planning phases. But but we're actively

1116
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 1: working on it. You know, it's our intention to host

1117
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 1: kind of that community approach. And I don't want to

1118
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 1: I don't want to rehash it too many times if

1119
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 1: people got it the first time, but you know, it's

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01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: the success will come down to us utilizing the four

1121
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 1: or five hunters we can hunt there, but you know,

1122
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 1: getting a group of local people with access to property

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01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 1: or knowledge of public lands to take it. So really,

1124
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 1: this guy's the limit. Um. You know, many times when

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01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 1: we've started, you know, a first year of filled the fork,

1126
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 1: you know, tend to twelve people is a nice place

1127
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 1: to start. I think our opportunity here is larger, um.

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01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 1: And we have obviously done it in the past where

1129
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: we have started larger. But my intention and really it

1130
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 1: will come down to the amount of mentors and properties

1131
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: that we can recruit locally. Um. But I hope to

1132
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 1: have at least three dozen new hunters that are a

1133
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 1: part of a local community pasted program around the back

1134
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: forty and and and possibly trainings and classroom opportunities will

1135
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 1: happen right there on the back forty But um, you

1136
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 1: know that number could be a lot higher. It just

1137
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 1: really depends on how many current hunters and you know,

1138
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 1: a half hour or an hour drive will be willing

1139
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: to dedicate um a couple of CITs of their dear

1140
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 1: season this year, um, you know, and offer a little

1141
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 1: bit of their knowledge and and and confidence built into

1142
01:04:54,400 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 1: a new hunter. So if you are sing and you

1143
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 1: live somewhere in southern Michigan or central Michigan, and you

1144
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 1: would like to volunteer either as a mentor for one

1145
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 1: of these programs or or you know, offer up your

1146
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 1: property for someone to hunt as part of one of

1147
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 1: these groups for a couple of days. Uh. If if

1148
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 1: that's you listening, listen up to this next thing, because Hank,

1149
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 1: I'd like you to tell those people if specifically somebody

1150
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 1: wants to help with this specific back forty events that

1151
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 1: you're going to be planning out for this year, who

1152
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:36,919
Speaker 1: should they? Should they reach out to you directly? When

1153
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 1: should they do that? How should they do that? Absolutely?

1154
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 1: Please email me. Um, you know we have Josh Hilliard

1155
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: in the state of Michigan. I mean, obviously if they

1156
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 1: know Josh, contact him. But um, I'm happy to get

1157
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 1: those emails. We would be so appreciative to anybody, whether

1158
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 1: you're familiar with the National Deer Association or not, whether

1159
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: you're a you're a member of another group, or or

1160
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 1: just an individual out there. Um. You know, we're a

1161
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 1: firm believer in cooperative approach. We can do more with

1162
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 1: more people and bringing groups together, um, and so absolutely

1163
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 1: please reach out to us and feel free to email

1164
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 1: me at Hank and Deer Association dot com. Great now, guys,

1165
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:23,439
Speaker 1: everyone listening, this this is the part where you really

1166
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 1: I step up because you know, like like Hank mentioned,

1167
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 1: the back forty, it's it's it's someone's excited. Uh if

1168
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 1: we got to sign up already, all right, he's in. Um.

1169
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 1: What I was gonna say is that the back forty

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01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:38,760
Speaker 1: is it's only sixty acres. So, like you said, there's

1171
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 1: there's only so many people that can be on there

1172
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 1: at any given moment in time. But if you have

1173
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 1: a handful of other properties in the general area, you

1174
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 1: can have a bunch of hunters coming for a weekend

1175
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 1: event and have five of them or four of them

1176
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 1: on the back forty and four of them on another

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01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 1: property and four of them on another property. And then

1178
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 1: maybe the next day you cycle out and other people

1179
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 1: get to see the back forty, or maybe you do

1180
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:04,439
Speaker 1: a classroom approach like you talked about. But you need

1181
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 1: this volunteer base. You need the other nearby properties to

1182
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 1: build something like this out. And so I think that

1183
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 1: the wire dunt listeners, this is a great opportunity to

1184
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 1: step up and be a part of this. You you've

1185
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 1: seen us doing the back forty thing, um, you've heard

1186
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 1: me talk about it. Now I personally am asking you

1187
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 1: to be a part of it. This is your opportunity

1188
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 1: to be a part of this thing, uh, to to

1189
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 1: do something that's really good and useful and meaningful for

1190
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 1: the future of deer and deer hunting, helping new people

1191
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 1: get to know this thing that we all know is

1192
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 1: so special dear deer hunting wild places. Let's share that.

1193
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 1: And this is a neat way to do it. And

1194
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 1: it's something that I'm excited to help continue telling the

1195
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 1: story around. We are going to be continuing to partner

1196
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 1: with you guys at the National Deer Association around the

1197
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 1: Back forty project. We're launching something we're calling the Back

1198
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 1: forty two FOK Project, which is basically combining Back forty

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01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 1: with Field of fork um and a really maybe not

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01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 1: terribly creative way. We just smashed the two awards together.

1201
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 1: But you know what what we want to do is

1202
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 1: continue to support these educational efforts that you guys are

1203
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:20,639
Speaker 1: gonna be leading, support these mentorship programs. I personally am

1204
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 1: going to be out there and participating in some of

1205
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 1: this mentorship stuff. Um, We're still hashing out some of

1206
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 1: the details, but I know that Hank, you guys and

1207
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 1: the team are are working to select a new hunter

1208
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 1: who I will mentor throughout different parts of the season.

1209
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get out there for some mentorship educational events

1210
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 1: in the summer with this person or person's I'm gonna

1211
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 1: do another mentored hunt with someone on the property this fall,

1212
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 1: um in collaboration with you guys. So we immediated and

1213
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 1: I personally am really excited to keep this momentum going.

1214
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 1: And uh I'll drop it in here again. I already

1215
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 1: mentioned it at the top of the episode, but I'll

1216
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 1: stay at warmer time. Uh out. We're so excited about

1217
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:04,440
Speaker 1: this that we've round up all sorts of our partners

1218
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 1: to put together a very uh compelling giveaway to just

1219
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 1: kind of celebrate, like, Hey, this is a this is

1220
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 1: a great thing that we're starting here with the National

1221
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:17,599
Speaker 1: Deer Association. So if you go to the meat eater

1222
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 1: dot com slash fork, you can enter this giveaway. I

1223
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 1: gotta thank our friends over can and they did make

1224
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 1: this possible by giving us the resources to put all

1225
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 1: those things together, we're gonna be giving away a whole

1226
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 1: first leg gear kit, a weather be rifle, UH worth

1227
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 1: of Federal Premium ammal. You can't get AMMO anywhere these days.

1228
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 1: That's a big thing. UH, a bench made meatcraft or

1229
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 1: knife and on X Elite lifetime membership f h F

1230
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 1: by No Harness Vortex buyos UH. And then that's just

1231
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 1: for the grand prize winner. Then there's two more runner

1232
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 1: up winners, and each one of those three winners gets

1233
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 1: to nominate a new hunter that they know of in

1234
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 1: their life or someone who's in trusted in getting involved

1235
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 1: in hunting. You nominate someone and we are going to

1236
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 1: gift to that person a new hunter gift package that

1237
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 1: includes UH an Onyx membership, a new bench made knife,

1238
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 1: knife sharpener, some some other educational resources, some cool stuff

1239
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 1: like that. So so we're doing that because we're we're

1240
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 1: excited about this. This makes a lot of sense. It's

1241
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 1: a great way to keep this thing moving forward in

1242
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:26,599
Speaker 1: a positive direction, and you guys are the right partners

1243
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:29,680
Speaker 1: to help us do that. So I'm just excited to

1244
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 1: see where this goes. I'm excited this year to keep

1245
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:35,679
Speaker 1: working on the farm and keep bringing new people out

1246
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 1: in showcasing what's possible and introducing people into this community,

1247
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 1: in this family we have around hunting, because it's it's

1248
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 1: the best thing that's happened in my life is getting

1249
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 1: to know other hunters and becoming a hunter myself and

1250
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 1: being immersed in the wild and wild places and learn

1251
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 1: about deer and chasing deer and being outside like that

1252
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 1: stuff made me who I am. And I'm so so

1253
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 1: fortunate that I had a family that introduced me to that.

1254
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people out there that didn't have

1255
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 1: that luxury. So I just personally feel so strongly that

1256
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:14,759
Speaker 1: I was gifted that I gotta I've got a gifted

1257
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 1: onto somebody else. And so this is, uh, this is

1258
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:19,760
Speaker 1: a way that we can all kind of do that

1259
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 1: in our own way. And uh, Hank and Nick, I'm

1260
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 1: just I'm excited that that you're helping us do that.

1261
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:30,560
Speaker 1: Thank you. It's exciting, man, you know, I guess I

1262
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:32,640
Speaker 1: guess the other bottom line is it's a heck of

1263
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. So you know, join us. It's fun.

1264
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:38,599
Speaker 1: It may be the most rewarding thing you do as

1265
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 1: a deer hunter, but I guarantee you it's a lot

1266
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 1: of fun. Yeah, very true, Very true. So we've covered

1267
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 1: our hunt on the Back forty. We've covered ah the

1268
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:55,759
Speaker 1: property management kind of vision moving forward. We've talked about

1269
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 1: some of the specific ideas you guys are going to

1270
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 1: be working towards on improving the play. We've talked about

1271
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 1: you know, what field the fork is gonna look like

1272
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 1: on the farm in these coming years. Is there any

1273
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:11,599
Speaker 1: anything else Nike or Hank that you guys want to

1274
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 1: touch on to leave folks with to reiterate, Um, what

1275
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 1: do we miss when it comes to the Back forty

1276
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 1: in its future? Yeah? I don't. I don't know that

1277
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 1: we've missed anything. We've covered a lot here. Um. I

1278
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 1: just want to say from our perspective, we certainly appreciated

1279
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:31,680
Speaker 1: the partnership, and that's really what this is. I mean,

1280
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 1: there's the initial partnership that that we have with the

1281
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 1: Deer Association and Meat Eater and Back forty, but the

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01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 1: partnership certainly extends beyond that. You mentioned the number of

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Speaker 1: sponsors that are going to help put off what is

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01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 1: sounds like an outstanding giveaway. I wish I was eligible,

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01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 1: you know, And and it takes those people too. Let's

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01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 1: not forget those sponsors that are behind us, and in

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01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:57,720
Speaker 1: the volunteers that Hank mentioned earlier UM that are going

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01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 1: to help bring the back forty continue to bring the

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01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 1: back toward you along. Uh. And then there are these

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Speaker 1: people in these companies locally all across the country that

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01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 1: do that. So I think it's it's incumbent upon all

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01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 1: of us to keep the fire burning. I think I

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01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:14,600
Speaker 1: heard in one of your recent shows, Mark where you

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01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 1: talked about that the responsibility of of doing more. We

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01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:20,680
Speaker 1: have that responsibility now, and I think that's what this

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01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:22,759
Speaker 1: is all about. So it's just sort of a rallying

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01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:25,479
Speaker 1: call to say, let's all do more, even if it's

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01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 1: just one more thing, and we'll all be better off

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Speaker 1: for it. Yeah, absolutely true. All right, guys, Well, I

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01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 1: guess I want to give you one more chance. I

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01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 1: know you just did it, but I just want to

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01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:40,799
Speaker 1: make sure everyone hears any final action item or final

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01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 1: u r L as. We want to make sure everyone

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01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,680
Speaker 1: has got written down top of mind, Hanked, you want

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01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 1: to recite those just one last time before we sign off.

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01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 1: Absolutely again, anybody willing to take a new hunter of

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01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 1: field UM, whether they have property or need access or

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01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 1: any new hunter who's interested in signing up UM for

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01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:04,759
Speaker 1: the new Hunters, It's Dear Association dot com slash New Hunter.

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01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 1: For information on field before um, it's Dear Association dot

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01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 1: com slash f t F. And to contact me for

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Speaker 1: any of it, it's Hank at Dear Association dot com.

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Speaker 1: Perfect all right, Well, thank you for that, Hank, Thank

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01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 1: you Nick for everything for your leadership on this, and

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01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:25,480
Speaker 1: and thank you both for for taking on this project

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01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 1: and and taking it to it's it's next chapter. We're we,

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01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:32,439
Speaker 1: like I mentioned the top, all of us here made it.

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Speaker 1: Are are thrilled uh to have such a great set

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01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:38,599
Speaker 1: of new parents for our baby. And uh I'm looking

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Speaker 1: forward to watching from both afar and from right up

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01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,680
Speaker 1: close on the ground again over the coming year and

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Speaker 1: years as we uh we see where we can take

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Speaker 1: this thing. So thanks a lot, thank you to you.

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01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 1: All right, and that's a wrap. I don't want to

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01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 1: talk too much right now, because I want you to

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01:14:56,960 --> 01:15:00,080
Speaker 1: remember those links that Hank just told you, So go

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01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 1: on over get the information you need, please volunteer if

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01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:06,599
Speaker 1: you can. And finally, one more link, if you want

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01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 1: to sign up for that giveaway I mentioned at the top,

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01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:13,040
Speaker 1: go to the meat Eater dot com, slash Fork, and

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Speaker 1: with that thanks all for listening. I appreciate you, and

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Speaker 1: until next time, stay wired to hunt.