1 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: Ron An aian, So I assume you're able to put 2 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: this battery in with no complications. 3 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 2: Replacing the battery in this car was quite interesting. 4 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 3: I found about two dollars of nickels and dimes in 5 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 3: the back of the car. 6 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 4: It was that terrified as bare attire. 7 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: The car Doctor, why did you replace the engine? What 8 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: failed in the old winn er? How did the old 9 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: one fail? 10 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 3: According to the mechanic, it just. 11 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 2: Blew blew out A Welcome to the radio home of 12 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 2: ron Anian the Car Doctor. Since nineteen ninety one. This 13 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 2: is where car owners the world overturned to for their 14 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 2: definitive opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics giving you 15 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 2: a busy signal, pick up the phone and call in 16 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 2: the garage doors are open. 17 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: But I am here to take your call at eight 18 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: five five five six, ninety nine hundred. 19 00:00:55,920 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 5: And now, Ronnie, So, smoke is the topic of the 20 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,559 Speaker 5: hour today, listeners, and we're talking about smoke like diagnosing, 21 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 5: using smoke to diagnose, and some of the problems that 22 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 5: we have with evaporative emission systems and beyond. 23 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: And once again we're joined by Chuck Kincaid of Red 24 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: Line Detection and we're going to talk to Chuck a 25 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: little bit about well, I want to talk to him 26 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: about the Dodge Ram that you guys heard me talking 27 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: about the past couple of weeks. But I'm sure he's 28 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: got some new things to tell us as well. Chuck, 29 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: welcome back to the Car Doctor. We're glad to have you. 30 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 3: Hey, Ron, thanks for having me. Appreciate it. 31 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: It's red line Detection or redline diagnostics. I always get 32 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: it mixed up. 33 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 3: Well, we make diagnostic product, but it's red line detection, right, 34 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 3: and leak detection and. 35 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: The website is Redline. 36 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 3: Redline Detection dot com. 37 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 6: That's right. 38 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, so you'll correct me about seven times today 39 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, so full disclosure, listeners. Chuck and I 40 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: have been talking back and forth about the Ram pickup 41 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: truck that you couldn't put gas in, and we kind 42 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: of came up with some troubleshooting proceeds and uh, you know, 43 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: I was explaining to Chuck before the show today that 44 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: in order to you know, check the fuel filler neck, 45 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: we came up with a way to use a smoke 46 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: machine to check the fuel filler neck to verify because 47 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: this is a capless system and we're just developing some 48 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: test procedures and you know it's is testing a capless 49 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: fuel filler neck part of any manufacturer's diagnosis using smoke 50 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: it do you know, Chuck? 51 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 3: Yes, and actually several that that use these in their 52 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 3: programs and so that I mean it's a fairly straightforward test. 53 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 3: I mean you you basically pressurize the the EVAP system 54 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 3: with the vapor and that you know, basically fills the 55 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 3: tank and then you can open the filler neck to 56 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 3: check for the seal. And it works with gas caps 57 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 3: as well. You can you actually can see the visual 58 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 3: they vapor come out right if you don't have a 59 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 3: good seal. Right, So yeah, it's yeah, these event valves 60 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 3: are common, not the valves, but those skill filled caps 61 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 3: are becoming more and more common. 62 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 1: The capitalist next, yeah, yeah, has the standard by which 63 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: we test smoke you know it used to be a 64 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: forty thousands league of twenty thousands league. Have they tightened 65 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: up that specification against certain manufacturers? Is that still the standard? 66 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 3: That's really the standard still? So it's a twenty thousands league. 67 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 3: It's really the passcale criteria. Even if you look when 68 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 3: there was a report that was done in Ebaptis is 69 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 3: years ago, I think, even like in the early two 70 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 3: thousands or somewhere around that time for him anyway, And 71 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 3: you know, the EPA had tested a bunch of different vehicles, 72 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 3: different models across manufacturers, and it's you know, it's twenty 73 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 3: thousands even some of the higher specifications. When they did 74 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 3: the test, actually the computer registered at twenty thousands, So 75 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 3: it seems like that's kind of the ongoing standard. I 76 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 3: have heard of some via that use ten thousands as 77 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 3: a pass field criteria, but I'm you know, I'm not 78 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 3: sure if you know that's where the computers are set 79 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 3: to or not, you know, just based on some other others. 80 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: But EVAP systems themselves haven't changed too much. I mean 81 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: there's still there's still e vent valve, there's still a 82 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: purge valve, there's still a canister, there's still a fuel tank. 83 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: Maybe we don't have a gas cap anymore. So it's 84 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: if you understand one, you understand quite a few of them, right. 85 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much. I mean, there are a lot of 86 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 3: different variations in the systems, and you know, and you 87 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 3: also have to remember that, you know, more than fifty 88 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 3: percent of cars sold this year, we're turbo charged, right, 89 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 3: and in those systems there are additional components, you know, 90 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 3: venturies and things that where you can purge you know, 91 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 3: while you're induced pressure. 92 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: Right, and and let's go to that. Let's segue into that, right. 93 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 1: You know, we have talked about this that you know, 94 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: using smoke under pressure to test turbo systems in the ducks. 95 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: And that's becoming a big deal now because so many 96 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: cars are turbo charged. 97 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's becoming a bigger and bigger deal. And 98 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 3: even at the UH you know, i'd say at the 99 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 3: dealer level, at the OE level, you know, it continues 100 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 3: to be a big deal. You know that you know, 101 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 3: to replace the turbo charger or you know, a set 102 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 3: of turbo charges is expensive. You know, in the in 103 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 3: the data that we have, it's rarely a turbo charger issue. 104 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 3: If you have a drive ability issue that leads you 105 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 3: towards the turbo charger, it's it's almost never the turbo charger. 106 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 3: It's always some other component of clamp leaking. I walk 107 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 3: into I remember the I walked into this UH dealer. 108 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 3: They had a I can't tell you who, but they 109 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 3: had a turbo vehicle in there and they had a 110 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 3: driveability issue and it was a month and they still 111 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 3: I mean they you know, the uh the owner of 112 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 3: the car was driving the you know rental, I mean 113 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 3: the whole nine yards and stuff, and they couldn't figure 114 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 3: out the problem. And you know that it was it 115 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 3: was a clamp. It was actually the wrong clamp for 116 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 3: for that location that was leaking. It was a clamp 117 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 3: was tight, but it was the wrong clamp and that 118 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 3: was actually leaking. And that solve the problem. And you 119 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 3: solve like ten minutes and. 120 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: You picked it up with smoke, yes, yeah, And and 121 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: to that point, Redline is one of the few I 122 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: don't know if anybody else that creates a pressure using 123 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: the smoke machine the way you guys do. U. 124 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there are a few others. I mean, we 125 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 3: you know, we we do. We do work with Oe's 126 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 3: on you know, dialing in. You know, we don't use 127 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 3: too much pressure. We like, we have a lot of 128 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 3: flow and that's important to find a lot of these leaks. So, 129 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 3: you know, but there are other units out there, but 130 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 3: you know, like we you know, we worked directly with 131 00:06:55,800 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 3: Oe's to you know, develop these tools. You know, uh, 132 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 3: we do a lot of continuous improvement on the designs, 133 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 3: especially internal to the designs reliability. 134 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: Right, So, yeah, you know I've seen I've seen some 135 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: of the slides that I'm not supposed to see that 136 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: you and I'm not going to I'm not going to 137 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: say who they were, but uh, you know, trust me, guys, 138 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: Chuck Chuck Chuck and the folks at Redline are really 139 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: working cutting edge with the manufacturers to help speed up 140 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: diagnostics or even just to help commplete diagnostics at dealer 141 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: level and independent repair shop level. You know, the last 142 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: time we talked, there was a big deal. We were 143 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: talking about uh EV batteries and the micro fisher leak detection. 144 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: How's how's that taken on? Not not to switch gears here, 145 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: but just has that gone anywhere? Is that taking off 146 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: in the marketplace? 147 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, fantastically, so so that you know, what we're finding is, 148 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 3: you know, the automated part of the tasks are really 149 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 3: you know, proved to be helpful here. So you know, 150 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 3: in the equipment that we make, uh you know, it's 151 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 3: it's completely automated, and you know, we're basically testing for leaks, 152 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 3: So we're testing for leaks in the cooling systems. So 153 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 3: the cool loop in the battery. So if you take 154 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 3: a battery as one of the components, we test the most. 155 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 3: Uh we you know, we do high pressure cooling testing 156 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 3: and that's automated and computerized, and we do the enclosure 157 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 3: tests as well, which is a different level pressure. So 158 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 3: you know, those those are becoming important, you know, as 159 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,119 Speaker 3: we move forward. It's also becoming important to other industries. 160 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 3: There's a lot of attention in the insurance industry around 161 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 3: this as well. And you know, liability for you know, 162 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 3: having leaking batteries. 163 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 1: Are the are the insurance companies accepting of EV battery 164 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: fisher micro fissure testing? Are they? Are they allowing it? 165 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 2: Yes? 166 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 3: So you know, at a dealer level, it's you know, 167 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 3: it's it depends on whether you know, always comes down to, 168 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 3: you know, what's recommended and what's required, right and uh, 169 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 3: there are always that recommend it, in some always that 170 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 3: require it, and it really just depends and it's situationally 171 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 3: as well, right, right, So you know, you know, if 172 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 3: if you're we work with the company in the UK, 173 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 3: if you know, for their vehicles, if there's a you know, 174 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 3: a ten centimeter scratch on the bottom of the battery, 175 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 3: it's you know, mandatory leak testing, right. Uh, you know 176 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 3: if you if you've got an adventure vehicle or you 177 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 3: make the ev adventure vehicles for example, right, and uh, 178 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 3: you know you need to be able to afford you know, 179 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 3: three feet of water in some cases, well batteries literally underwater. 180 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: At that point. 181 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 3: Right, So so you know, knowing that you have a 182 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 3: sealed enclosure becomes even more important, right. Well, but just 183 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 3: basically for any vehicle, and you know, ensuring they have 184 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 3: that field in even in heavy duty trucking, there's a 185 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 3: lot of interest in this, uh, the coolant loops. There's 186 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 3: there's been some instances in medium duty trucks. I'm not 187 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 3: sure if we talked about this before, if it was 188 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 3: on air, but uh, in you know coolant leaking you 189 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 3: know inside the batteries and that type of thing you know, 190 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 3: causes for a bad day. So you know, we perform 191 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 3: a lot of that, you know that testing. 192 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: You know, I don't think we talked about that. I'll 193 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: tell you what, sit tight, let me pull over, take 194 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: a pause. When we come back, Let's do a little 195 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: bit of a deeper dive into that so the listeners 196 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: get some understanding of that. And I want to ask 197 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: you a little bit. Well, let me let me let 198 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 1: me pull overtake the pause when we come back. I 199 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: got a couple of things I want to go over 200 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: with you. I'm not an Ny and the car doctor. 201 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 1: I'm here with Chuck and Kate of Redline and we'll 202 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: both return right after this. 203 00:10:47,800 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 6: Don't go away, run. 204 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 4: Time right it on the wall so you don't forget 205 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 4: to call for car device done right eight five five 206 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 4: five six zero nine nine zero zero. 207 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: Now back to rods and we're back listeners. We're we're 208 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: talking with Chuck Kincaid of Redline Detection today and talking 209 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: about smoke and the different uses and and some of 210 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: the things that Redline does is they're the industry leader 211 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 1: in terms of cutting edge diagnostics and technology, and we're 212 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,719 Speaker 1: happy to have Chuck here with us today. Chuck, when 213 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: we were when we were breaking away, we were getting 214 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: into evs and cooling system tubes. And then you brought 215 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: up something about medium duty trucks. What was that about. 216 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just there's been a few instances of uh, 217 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 3: you know, some of these medium duty some of the 218 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 3: media duty vehicles. Our vehicles are kind of you know 219 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 3: built uh you know, they're they're kind of handbuilt by 220 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 3: third parties. If you look at some of these systems, 221 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 3: there's you know, a lot of fittings, a lot of 222 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 3: wines running you know to the you know, the batteries 223 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 3: are in the middle, the caps are in the front right, 224 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 3: and so depending on the situation you have, you know, 225 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 3: there's just a lot of failure points and things inside 226 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 3: of the battery. If you if you do spring a 227 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 3: leak with coolant, that then you get you know, the 228 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 3: coolant fills up inside of the battery enclosure, you know, 229 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 3: and that's that's not a great position to be in 230 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 3: causes repair. 231 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: You have to remove the battery and how are you 232 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 1: detecting the leaks or to know if there is a 233 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: leak if are you actually sniffing out cool until you're 234 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 1: able to do it using a different method? How does 235 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: that work? 236 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's interesting. So you know, usually with if 237 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 3: you think of a battery outside of the vehicle. So 238 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 3: in BCLD, which is our battery and Coolant Leak Protector, 239 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 3: we we have a function in there called pulse purge 240 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 3: and that allows you to pulse and purge out and 241 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 3: it's tuned to a certain frequency to get the coolant 242 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 3: as much coolant as you can out of that line 243 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 3: and then usually there either pressure tested, usually pressure tested 244 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 3: under high pressure. And by high pressure, I mean you know, 245 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 3: somewhere in the range between fifteen psi and you know, 246 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 3: I've seen fifty psi in test ranges, and we can 247 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 3: go and do more, even more than that where needed. 248 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 3: But you know, you basically, you know, you run a 249 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 3: pressure leaked down test and that and that's automated by BCLD, 250 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 3: so that that allows you to check the integrity and 251 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 3: if you do have a leak and it fails the test, 252 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 3: you know, you can then use go right into the 253 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 3: Ornana leat technology where we uh you know, we basically 254 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 3: produce what we call signature air on board that allows 255 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 3: you to you detect the leak locations electronically using a 256 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 3: handheld device, and so that we can go right from 257 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 3: the testy fail the test, right into looking for that 258 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 3: leak location. So in some batteries where you have access 259 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 3: to the enclosure, so you can have an open path 260 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 3: to enclosure. When you put the nano leak gas into 261 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 3: the coolant tubes, it leaks out into the enclosure and 262 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 3: then you can read that you know, at the enclosure port, 263 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 3: so you know, at a safety valve or or any 264 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 3: kind of opening that you have in the enclosure, so 265 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 3: you can basically verify that you have a leak in 266 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 3: the system before you tear the battery apart to repair it. 267 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: And I'm sure this is all going to become essential 268 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: tooling for whether you're a mechanical shop or a body shop, 269 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: if you're working on EV batteries, you're going to need 270 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: all this. 271 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's certainly there's uh there's say evidence of 272 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 3: that and and some things that even even recently, so 273 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 3: that's definitely. Uh. You know, every OE that we work 274 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 3: with U requires testing the enclosure in one form or another. 275 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 3: So there's you know, if you go into service procedures, 276 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 3: you can find uh, you know these test procedures. 277 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: Is battery testing, you know, micro fisher crack testing and 278 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: cooling tube testing. How can I ask this? I don't 279 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: want to ruffle anybody's feathers, but you know, my EV 280 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: was in an accident and I take it to a 281 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: body shop and they say, you know, hey, hey, Roren, 282 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: your car's all fixed, it's all done, and you know, 283 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: here it is. It's it's all painted nice pretty? Am 284 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: I within my right to say, hey, did you guys 285 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: check the cooling tubes? Did you guys check the battery? 286 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: Did you stress you know, check it for cracks and 287 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: so forth? Is do you see the day where if 288 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: it's not now, but you know there's going to be 289 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: a certification requirement to know that they're giving the person 290 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: back a fixed vehicle. 291 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 3: Wow. Well, I mean, I'll give you my opinion on it. 292 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 3: But I think, first off, I think and again my 293 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 3: opinion is you should always feel you're within your rights 294 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 3: to ask questions about your your vehicle repair right, right, 295 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 3: And so that's an important aspect in collision, so that 296 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 3: you know the overflow from dealer e the service work 297 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 3: right is you know the kind of that first step 298 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 3: is collision because you know you have vehicles, you know, 299 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 3: even within warranty that get into you know, accidents and whatnot. 300 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 3: And in that industry you know certainly the you know, 301 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 3: the the the MSOs that you know out there that 302 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 3: that care about you know, doing you know, proper service 303 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 3: on evs ensuring uh, you know, the safety of the 304 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 3: vehicle right and all the all the different aspects you know, 305 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 3: ensuring the enclosures are the specification ensuring that the you know, 306 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 3: the that you're following these uh service procedures, uh you 307 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 3: know for testing and that type of thing, or if 308 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 3: you you know, if you if you go and do that. 309 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 3: I think that's a that's it's very advantageous to your 310 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 3: customers and commendable. 311 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: But it's not a requirement yet. 312 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 3: Well, it is a requirement in that in summer these 313 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 3: there's there's required, and then there's recommend did so and 314 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 3: everybody takes a little bit different standpoint. It's certainly moving 315 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 3: towards the required across the board of the OS that 316 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 3: it's where it's required. This is expected to be performed, right, 317 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 3: and and and and and unfortunately it's hard to answer 318 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 3: general questions about that. And I'm certainly not an expert 319 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 3: in that industry, but you know, it's it's situationally dependent, 320 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 3: right yeah. 321 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: And I guess part of it too is you know, 322 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: is the insurance company even aware of it. I'll tell 323 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 1: you real quick in our closing minute that you know, 324 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: I recently had an experience working with an insurance adjuster 325 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: about something we started talking about EVSE and I mentioned 326 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: redline detection and you know, do you do it. Do 327 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: you allow that he didn't know what I was talking about? 328 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: He had no clue. And I'm sure you talked to 329 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: the insurance companies, right, It's it's just an ongoing thing. 330 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 1: So hey, listen, Chuck. You know what you guys are doing, 331 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: a great job. You keep up the fight. You know 332 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: you are cutting edge technology with EV and mechanical and 333 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: gas vehicles and all that. 334 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:07,719 Speaker 2: You do. 335 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: Real quick, the listeners, it's Redline Deetection dot com. 336 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 3: Correct, Yeah, redline Detection dot com. And you can find 337 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 3: our products there and man our service. 338 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: Perfect, Chuck, you'd be well. You have a good rest 339 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: of the weekend. I'm running Indy in the car, doctor, 340 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: and I'll return right after this. Don't go ahead. 341 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 7: Ron's in the own the AutoZone studio and tell me 342 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 7: you back right after this. Welcome back to the AutoZone studio. 343 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 7: Here's Ron. Welcome back to listeners. 344 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:53,199 Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about diagnostics and a 345 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: particularly interesting case we had in the shop this week. 346 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: A twenty seventeen Ford Explorer with an airbag light on 347 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 1: and it was setting a fault code for the passenger 348 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: side seat belt pretensioner. Pretensioner is part of the air 349 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: bag system. It's you know, the part that in the 350 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: event of an airbag deployment, it provides tension. It tightens 351 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: up the seatbelts so that you're not hurled forward as 352 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: the airbeg comes out and so forth. It's a pretension 353 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: it's part of the airbag safety system. And this particular 354 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: fault code was for an open circuit regarding the wiring 355 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: leading up to the passenger side seatbelt pretensioner. And I 356 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: just want to talk about that for a second if 357 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 1: I can. You know, there's a difference between fault codes, 358 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: and sometimes knowing what they are or what they represent 359 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: can obviously affect your diagnosis and get you going in 360 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: the right direction. In this case, it was a circuit fault, 361 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,959 Speaker 1: you know, whereas instead it could be a performance fault 362 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 1: code or a performance failure. So, if you're dealing with 363 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: a sensor per se, something that you know works on 364 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 1: a zero to five vault range that operates over a scale, 365 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,360 Speaker 1: you know, you can have either a sensor fault which 366 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: would be performance or a performance fault, or a circuit fault. 367 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 1: Here's the difference. Here's the way to know. If it's 368 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: a circuit fault and you end up clearing the code. 369 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:30,199 Speaker 1: Turn the key on when you turn the key on, okay, 370 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: or in this way, you can tell whether it is 371 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 1: a circuit or a performance fault when you turn the 372 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 1: key on without even starting the vehicle. In the majority 373 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: of cases, if it's a circuit fault, if there is 374 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 1: something wrong with the electrical circuit continuity, high resistance, you know, 375 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: there's just an incorrect vaultage, a short circuit. You're going 376 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: to get that code to come right back. The vehicle 377 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 1: doesn't even have to be running in most cases, and 378 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 1: it will tell you, hey, this is a circuit problem, 379 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: and you're at that point you're dealing with connections, wiring, 380 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: not likely a component could be, but it gives you 381 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: a better idea, a good a good direction to go. 382 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: If it's a performance fault, if it's in oxygen sensor 383 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 1: and it talks about performance you know O two censor, UH, 384 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: slow response time, something like that, then you're you're dealing 385 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: with a sensor's ability to perform and react and you know, 386 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: reach the numbers it has to reach in order to 387 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: satisfy the onboard computers programming. So this seventeen explorer came 388 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: in and it had a fault, a circuit fault. And 389 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: I sat down and I looked at wiring for the 390 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: pretension or for the passenger side. I looked at bulletins. 391 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: I did my usual you know, due diligence dance, and 392 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: there was some common issues with connector three thirty nine. 393 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: Connector three thirty nine part of circuit one O six 394 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: is located under the passenger side seat. And you know, 395 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: I went to three point thirty nine. I found it 396 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: under the passenger side seat and lo and behold there 397 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,360 Speaker 1: was a clean X box. Yep, there was a big 398 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: clean xbox excuse me, jammed up up against the connector. 399 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: It had it had become dislodged underneath the seat. Evidently 400 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 1: forges got a problem where they're not staying attached and 401 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: this tissue box jammed up against the connector or the 402 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: tissue box knocked it out of the holder. I'm not 403 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 1: sure which, but it had been there for a while. 404 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: There was a lot of junk on the floor and 405 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: makes the argument for keeping a clean car clean. And 406 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 1: it it became okay as I looked at it, and 407 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: it's in a god awful spot, you know, it's it's 408 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: under the seat, So you have a hard time seeing. 409 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: We ended up pulling the seat out of the car. 410 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 1: It was just easier, much easier to work on and 411 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: repair because if you look at the yellow red wire 412 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: that was part of connector three thirty nine, you could 413 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: actually see where it was down to its last strand, 414 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: its last physical strand, out of the sixteen strands of 415 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: wire that were inside this harness. Now, keep in mind 416 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: air bags, the majority of airbags work on resistance values. 417 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,199 Speaker 1: The resistance of the circuit on an air bag is 418 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: so critical. It's one of the reasons that air bag 419 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: connectors are gold plated. The pins are cold are gold plated. 420 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: Connector three point thirty nine we were able to get 421 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 1: it was a WPT eleven seventy two for motorcraft as 422 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: the connector. We were able to get the replacement connector 423 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: for this vehicle, and you know it came it was 424 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: gold plated. You just couldn't use any any old, one 425 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: particular connector. So you know, we did the install We 426 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: soldered it in very nice and neat and clean. I 427 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: always have a concern soldering on airbag circuits, but they 428 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: do allow it on this particular one. It was part 429 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: of the instructions from Ford and you know, sealed it 430 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: up and got it working. But here's one of the 431 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: ways I went about the diagon knows and this is 432 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: what I wanted to tell you that when I had 433 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: it narrowed down to, I said, you know, it's between 434 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 1: here and here. I unplugged connector three thirty nine, cleared 435 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 1: the code, turned the key back off, unplugged it codes cleared, 436 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 1: unplugged the connector, turned the key on. It set the 437 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 1: same fault that connector was having no bearing on the circuit. 438 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: You know, turned the key off, cleared the code or 439 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, turned the key off, plug the connector back in, 440 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: turned the key on, cleared the code, turned it back off, 441 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: code's gone, turned it back on. Set the same fold 442 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: code that connector was having no bearing. So I set 443 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: myself up. I looked at the wiring and I couldn't 444 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 1: see it right away, so I set myself up with 445 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: a jumper lead. I jumpered across the yellow red and 446 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: the purple white that were in connector three thirty nine 447 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 1: and fixed it. It wouldn't set the fault code. So 448 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: I knew somewhere between this section of wire, in this 449 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: section of wire, I had a fault, pulled the seat 450 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: out of the car, turned it upside down, sat down 451 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: with a magnifying glass, and started looking at the at 452 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: the wire as it ran, and I found the brake 453 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,239 Speaker 1: where there was just one strand holding it, and I 454 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: was able to obtain the correct connector, solder it in 455 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: and repair it. And my point is that not all 456 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 1: diagnosis is a parts replacement. It's you know, it's a 457 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 1: thinking person's game. You got to sit there and you know, understand, 458 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 1: understand the fault, understand the code. What are you chasing? 459 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: You know, this was a circuit fault. This was a 460 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: connectivity issue. This was a problem with how the circuit 461 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 1: was operating. And I could prove it by you know, 462 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 1: doing this step of clear the code, turn the key on. 463 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: The fault comes back right away, you know, without even 464 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: running the vehicle. So just just a tip, just be 465 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: aware that you know, and there's an awful lot of well, 466 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: there's more fault codes coming, I should say it like that. 467 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 1: There are more fault codes coming than ever before, than 468 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: I think you've ever seen, and you know some of them. 469 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: We had an interesting one with a Toyota this week, 470 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: a nineteen Highlander P eleven EA, which talked about air 471 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: fuel distribution between cylinders and imbalance of air fuel mixture. 472 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: And we're still waiting to see where that one goes. 473 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: It's it's, it's it went to the dealer because it 474 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: was under warranty, and we're waiting to see what the 475 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: answer becomes there. We may end having to take a 476 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 1: crack at it to fix it because they may not 477 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 1: be able to or want to. That's a whole nother conversation. 478 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: But diagnostic codes are interesting. They don't always mean a 479 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 1: part replacement. They you know, in a lot of cases, 480 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 1: you know, in a lot of cases it's wiring, its connections, 481 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 1: it's the abuse of environment. In this case, it was 482 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: the clean xbox under the seat that costs this person 483 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: quite a few dollars between diagnostic time and repair of time. 484 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: So keeping the car clean does pay off in the 485 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: long run. So just something to be aware of. All right, 486 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: let me pull over and take a pause. I'm running 487 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,199 Speaker 1: any in the car. Doctor, I'll be back right after this. 488 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 1: Don't go away, but I'll know you once better. 489 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 5: And you've got doner I saw. 490 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 1: Twos. Welcome back to listeners. Just back up a second. 491 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 1: We're talking about diagnosing that twenty seventeen explore when I 492 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 1: say I used a jumper, going back here a minute, 493 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: when I say I used the jumper around Connector three 494 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: thirty nine, I did it in an area that I 495 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: had very high confidence that I was going to replacing 496 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 1: that section of harness. And what I use is either 497 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,199 Speaker 1: I have two ways of piercing or probing wire so 498 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: that you understand, so you're not just jabbing holes in 499 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: a wiring harness. I will either use an industry approved probe, 500 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 1: which is from various places that provide a very small 501 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: pin into you know, through a guided piece of plastic, 502 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: an actual wire tap it's designed to do that to 503 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: tap into the meter, or in some cases we will 504 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 1: use go down to your local sewing store and get 505 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 1: what we used to call teapins. It's what they used 506 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,439 Speaker 1: to hem a skirt or a pant length, you know, 507 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: a length of pants. It's just a T shaped pin. 508 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 1: They provide a very fine point and a great place 509 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: to grab with your you know, meters clips. So you know, 510 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: but we are very careful when it comes to wiring 511 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,239 Speaker 1: harness and if you do punctural harness and you're not 512 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: repairing that section of it. You should seal it. We 513 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: still use to this day clear nail polish. Clear nail 514 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: polish works. 515 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 3: Well. 516 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: There's a couple of other things we can do that 517 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: we will use. But you want to make sure that 518 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: you don't leave a wiring harness open so the corrosion 519 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: doesn't get in there and you know, create a problem 520 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: two years from now when you least expect it. So 521 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: just just be aware. Got to let it take from 522 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: doctor McCann Richard McCann or in England. Hello, Ron, Good 523 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: to hear that you guys are still at the gym 524 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: and keeping fiting well. Particularly interesting comments from this past 525 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: weekend about spares, spare parts. I imagine he's talking about 526 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: we were talking about. I was amazed recently how hard 527 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: it was to find a new break booster from my 528 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: friend's nineteen nineties four. Finally got one in a breaker's yard. 529 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: I guess it's a scrapyard there, which involved an unpleasant 530 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: half hour with my head in the foot well full 531 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: of broken glass, with petals kicking me in the face 532 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: while I was removing the securing nuts. As you often say, 533 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: trying to get computer parts for a modern car in 534 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: ten years time, It'll be interesting to see how that 535 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: works for us. On the other hand, following up on 536 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: a great point, you made parts for seventies and eighties 537 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: cars can be great because they are it's easier to 538 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: get parts for older mechanical vehicles. You know, there's no 539 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: electronics involved. He goes on to say, I can buy 540 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: a whole MGB, or I can build a whole MGB 541 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: from new parts if I want to. I recently bought 542 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: a new water pump, thermostat, housing hoses, guess gets and 543 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: beltal for one hundred bucks the other day, including next 544 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: day delivery charge, and an mgtail and for six bucks. 545 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: That's right, six dollars. One of my son's moderns VW 546 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: tail lamps is more like two hundred dollars. You know, 547 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: it's interesting, And when I replied to him, I'll tell 548 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: you what I said. I was talking about. It's funny 549 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: how older cars, which are less in supply. Obviously, it 550 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: seems that the parts for them are getting cheaper, and 551 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: the parts for the cars that there are more of 552 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: are getting more expensive. And you would think if they're 553 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: producing more like new parts, they're producing parts for new 554 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: you would think supply and demand it would be able 555 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: to drive down the price, which makes the whole argument 556 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: about electric vehicle batteries getting cheaper as they become more 557 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: proficient kind of makes you scratch your head, like, well 558 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: that really happened. Incidentally, any listeners, I had to get 559 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: that in there. Incidentally, any listeners with old European cars 560 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: might find it useful to know that the same parts 561 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: were used on a massive variety of cars. So if 562 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: you can't find a part for say a Triumph, get 563 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: a part number and you'll probably find that it is 564 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: also used on anything from a Jaguar to a land Rover, 565 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: Risk and Martin in one case from last month, also Maseratia, 566 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: Jensen and Lamborghini. The only difference will be the price. 567 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 1: I just bought a door mirror for a British Exotic 568 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: that was quoted six hundred. The part and number corresponded 569 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: to a seventy Mercedes, which I bought for ninety dollars. 570 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: Keep well and happy Christmas and peaceful twenty twenty four 571 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: to you in the car doctor family. Richard, you know 572 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: it will be interesting finding parts for cars going forward, 573 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: and will that be the turning stone? We had a 574 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: two thousand and two Cadillac Sts in the shop this 575 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: past week. It came in for a diagnosis of a 576 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: jingling noise and I went over the car and it 577 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: was really obvious. It was a really hardcore jingling noise. 578 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: You'd hear it going down the road. It just sounded 579 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: terrible like it was falling apart. And one of the 580 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: cradle bolts. There are four cradle bolts in the rear 581 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: of the engine, two body cradle that holds the engine 582 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: in the transit on the front subcradle there, you know too, 583 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: on this Cadillac Siville Sts, and the one of the 584 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: rear cradle bolts had actually come loose. It was about 585 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: a good three turns out, you know, And you didn't 586 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: realize it until you looked up and you saw that 587 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: the bolt head was sticking out further than the other one, 588 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: and you you tap the retainer's GM calls it, which 589 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: is the big washer that goes underneath the mount, and 590 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: it jingled. So I, you know, we tightened it up, 591 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: and you know, that solved that problem. When I looked 592 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: at the other side, the bolt that would have been 593 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: on the other side of the driver's side was completely gone. 594 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: It wasn't even in the car forty thousand mile car 595 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 1: forty one thousand mile car, A nice car. But I 596 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: went to buy a replacement bolt and a replacement retainer. 597 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,959 Speaker 1: The bolt is still available, it's about twenty bucks. The 598 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: retainer is thirty two. But I had to buy a 599 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: package of five, and manufacturers do that sometimes. So I 600 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: sent the customer off on a you know, I don't know, 601 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,479 Speaker 1: wild goose chase. Let's see what he comes up with. 602 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,239 Speaker 1: I think I think he's found it. But you know 603 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: it's You're gonna have to be a little creative if 604 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: you want to keep the older cars on the road. 605 00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: It's interesting. So eight five five five six zeros nine 606 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: zero zeros the phone number. We did again. Eight five 607 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: five five six zero nine nine zero zeros the phone number. 608 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: If you want to talk to us, call, leave a message. 609 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: We'll get back to you for next week's show. I'm 610 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: Ronning any in the Car Doctor. I'll be back right 611 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: after this to finish things up. 612 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 8: Don't go away. 613 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: Thanks for sticking with us this hour. We hope you 614 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: learned something. I know we did. We always enjoy these 615 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: get togethers each and every weekend. Here ron An Anie 616 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: in the Car Doctor and we just have a great time. 617 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: I want to leave you with this. We had a 618 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: you know, order repair sometimes about it's the surprise, it's 619 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: the when you least expect it kind of problem that 620 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 1: crops up from time to time. We had a twenty 621 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: ten Ford edge in the shop this week. That started 622 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 1: out innocently enough. We were replacing the right front steering 623 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: knuckle to do a wheelbaring and there's a lot of 624 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: pre made knuckles on the market today and they work well, 625 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: they really do. They do a great job. It's a 626 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: lot easier than having to press a wheelbaring hub assembly 627 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: against rust on a fifteen year old vehicle. Well, what 628 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: I didn't count on, because like I said, you're always 629 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: waiting for the surprise. What I didn't count on was 630 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: when the axle nut was taken off. I very easily. 631 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 1: I applied some lubricant to the axle nut thread so 632 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 1: that they would be lubricated, and started to spin the 633 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,240 Speaker 1: nut off. But rust ground into the nut and started 634 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: to chew it up. Eventually just it got to the 635 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: point where there was nothing I could do. The axle trash, 636 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,919 Speaker 1: The axle shaft was trash. So I ended up having 637 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,280 Speaker 1: to get an axle again on a Friday at three o'clock. 638 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: Of course, I went to dural Ast. I looked up 639 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: my parts on at autozonepro dot com, and I went 640 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: right to the doural Ast line and got a duralst 641 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: axle for it, right side out or axle, and it 642 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: worked great. And that's just what doural Aast does. It 643 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: helps us in the shop, and I'll help you in 644 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: the shop too, So keep it in mind. I know 645 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 1: there are surprises in auto repair, you know, it's when 646 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,760 Speaker 1: we at least expect it and things are rolling along 647 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: so good. It kind of makes me a cautious optimist sometimes. 648 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 1: I just always I'm always looking over my shoulder, just 649 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: to be aware. But autozonepo dot com they get it 650 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: for me, they'll do it for you. I'm run an 651 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: ady in the car doctor saying that about wraps it 652 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 1: up today till the next time. I'm reminding you good 653 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,320 Speaker 1: mechanics aren't expensive, They're priceless. 654 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 6: See