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Speaker 1: We've got a big week. It's gonna keep it short

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Speaker 1: Think how many college teams. Most teams do not play

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Speaker 1: the teams that do they're done by like right around

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Speaker 1: Christmas time. The draft doesn't happen all the end of April.

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Speaker 1: So we go through the underwear Olympics, which I do

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Speaker 1: think is necessary because you like seeing guys body types.

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams, who's gonna be a highly touted guy the

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Speaker 1: next couple of years, Bryce Young. We're seeing a lot

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Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks that are smaller now in college football.

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Speaker 1: It's like, are all of them just gonna work in

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Speaker 1: the NFL, because for the most part, the guys in

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Speaker 1: the NFL are big. It's a big man's league. It's

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Speaker 1: why when you see a player come, you know in

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Speaker 1: the off season, when you get ready for a draft,

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Speaker 1: like as a scout and go out there on the road,

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Speaker 1: you get measurables like this guy's six to two ten

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Speaker 1: or you know whatever, six, this guy's offensive tackle six five.

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Speaker 1: You want to go see them. That's why you go

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Speaker 1: to practice, That's why you go to games and go

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Speaker 1: see the body type and go, this guy looks a

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Speaker 1: this looks like a lot like a guy two years

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Speaker 1: for Seattle or whatever. And you've done all this information,

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Speaker 1: but you have so much time to argue it all

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Speaker 1: these different opinions. You have so many different variables. The

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Speaker 1: coaches get involved, the head coach gets involved, the coordinators

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Speaker 1: get involved, the owner might get involved. Your college scout

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Speaker 1: might like him, your pro scout might not like him,

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Speaker 1: your general managers torn because he doesn't want to piss

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Speaker 1: off the coach. This is not an easy process, and

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Speaker 1: I've seen firsthand how much time goes into it. I

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Speaker 1: understand how it's easy to say and listen, I can

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Speaker 1: be as critical and anyone as anyone of like that

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Speaker 1: was a dumb pick, that was a good pick. But

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Speaker 1: I get it's very very difficult. It really is. In

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Speaker 1: time can just be a killer. I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: sometimes it helps accumulating more information with character stuff, but

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Speaker 1: even that, like some guys make decisions. I mean, some

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Speaker 1: stuff is a nonstarter with a lot of teams, right,

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Speaker 1: like domestic violence or whatever, hardcore drug use maybe, but

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Speaker 1: even that, I mean, I've heard a lot of teams

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Speaker 1: look past it. But you just try to feel good

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Speaker 1: overthinking the player, and you're trying to balance on the

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Speaker 1: market value of where I gotta pay for what, because

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Speaker 1: ultimately this is an economic exercise. What do I have

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Speaker 1: to pay in draft capital for this player? Because if

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Speaker 1: I would draft him overall and I have the thirty pick,

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Speaker 1: let's say, well, can I get the guy at sixty,

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Speaker 1: because if I can get the guy at sixty, I

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Speaker 1: don't need to take him at thirty. I can take

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Speaker 1: someone else at thirty, or trade back and gain another

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Speaker 1: pick and end up taking him at forty five, but

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Speaker 1: gain more assets. That is also a big game. That's

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Speaker 1: why I hate meathead gms that don't understand the value

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Speaker 1: aspect of the draft. It's why John Gruden was such

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Speaker 1: a bad drafter in the top of the rounds because

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Speaker 1: he didn't give a shit about any of that. Chip

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Speaker 1: Kelly didn't care about any of that. A lot of

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Speaker 1: times coaches don't care about any of that. Just give

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Speaker 1: me the player. That is the wrong mindset to have

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Speaker 1: I want this guy on my team, but even then

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Speaker 1: you have to balance, like do we have the cap

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Speaker 1: space are willing to pay this much? The draft specifically

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Speaker 1: is understanding who's gonna fit on your team and then

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Speaker 1: figuring out what you have to pay for him. Because

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Speaker 1: you would never want to pay a million dollars for

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Speaker 1: a seven dollar house, right. You don't want to use

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Speaker 1: the seventies, right, just like you would love to take

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Speaker 1: taken in the early second round. So that's a lot

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Speaker 1: of this is incumbent on information. This is an information business,

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Speaker 1: and you have to balance with what's true or not

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Speaker 1: and there's no right or wrong answers. But the better

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Speaker 1: gms can balance that stuff. The better gms know that stuff.

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Speaker 1: And it's all educated guesses. But if you do it

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Speaker 1: long enough, you're educated guests. Has get a pretty good

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Speaker 1: idea of like, yeah, we got something going here. Like ultimately,

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Speaker 1: personal take is on Netflix? And I loved it. And

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Speaker 1: I was someone who owned stock years ago. In Netflix,

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Speaker 1: I go on when I signed into my account, like

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Speaker 1: there's nothing to watch. This service kind of sucks. When's

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Speaker 1: honestly I thought Squid Game was a little overrated. Didn't

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Speaker 1: I like a little action, some violence, but like that's

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Speaker 1: we keep talking about the streaming wars, but you know,

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Speaker 1: the draft wars. So let's get excited for a little uh,

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Speaker 1: the draft. Maybe we'll get a little trade. Maybe deboll

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