1 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 2: This is the Blueberg Day Baqo podcast, available every morning 3 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 2: on Apple, Spotify or wherever you listen. It's Thursday, the 4 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 2: twentieth of March here in London. I'm Caroline Hepka and. 5 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 1: I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up today, Jerome Powell calls tariff 6 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: risks transitory as he seeks to downplay growth and inflation concerns. 7 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 2: On leashing a new China shock. We look at the 8 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 2: unintended consequences of Trump's tariffs on developing economies. 9 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: Plus getting creative. How wealthy people in the UK are 10 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 1: adopting new strategies to limit the effects of changes to 11 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: inheritance tax. 12 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 2: Let's start with a round up of our top stories. 13 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 3: The Federal Reserve Charge your own. 14 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: Powell has downplayed concerns about US economic growth and the 15 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: impact of President Trump's trade war on inflation, as the 16 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: Central Bank held rates steady for a second straight meeting. 17 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: Speaking to reporters following the two day policy meeting, Powell 18 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: went as far as reviving the controversial term transitory. 19 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 4: It can be the case that it's appropriate sometimes to 20 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 4: look through inflation if it's going to go away quickly 21 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 4: without action by US if it's transitory, and that can 22 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 4: be the case in the case of tariff inflation. I 23 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 4: think that would depend on the tariff inflation moving through 24 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 4: fairly quickly, and would depend critically as well on inflation 25 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 4: expectations being well anchored longer term inflation expectations being well. 26 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: Pal's use of transitory was surprising too many after the 27 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: Fed used the same term when inflation exploded after the 28 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: onset of the COVID nineteen pandemic. The FED chair went 29 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: on to call that scenario the base case, but then 30 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 1: proceeded to stay, officials really can't know if the tariff 31 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: effects will be temporary. 32 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 2: The S and P five hundred moved higher as Powell spoke, 33 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 2: and treasure yields dropped as markets continue to look for 34 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 2: clues on the impact of President Trump's trade policies. In 35 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 2: apposed on truth social President Trump wrote, quote, the FED 36 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 2: would be much better off cutting rates as US tariffs 37 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:12,239 Speaker 2: start to transition ease their way into the economy end quote. 38 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 2: The decision to actively lobby the Fed for lower interest 39 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 2: rates came just hours after White House National Economic Council 40 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 2: Director Kevin Hassett tried to reassure investors about the Central 41 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 2: Bank's independence. In this back and forth with reporters, we very. 42 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:31,239 Speaker 3: Much respect the independence of the FED. 43 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 4: There's a massive literature to independent sepprobates perform. 44 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 3: Better for academics, and so I don't think that's a districy. 45 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 3: It doesn't think you en Mari. I think that's been 46 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 3: resolved of the previous administration. 47 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 2: Kevin Hassett were speaking as the Trump administration prepares to 48 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 2: ann as a fresh wave of so called reciprocal tariffs 49 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 2: on the second of April. 50 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: New Bloomberg reporting is showing how US tariffs are reshaping 51 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: global trade. Emerging markets are facing a so called China 52 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 1: shock as cheap gods derive in developing countries. You and 53 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: Parts has the details. 54 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 5: China's trade surplus last year reached a record of close 55 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 5: to one trillion dollars, but as exports to the US flatline, 56 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 5: China's hyper competitive manufacturers have been targeting other markets around 57 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 5: the world. Blimok has been looking at the pressures being 58 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 5: faced by the likes of Indonesia, Brazil, Thailand and Vietnam, 59 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 5: as well as big ticket items like electrical vehicles and 60 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 5: solar panels. China's exporters are causing job losses in sectors 61 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 5: like electrical goods, textiles and shoemaking. One academic described it 62 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 5: to US as China Shock two point zero. 63 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 3: I'm ewine pots Bimberg radio. 64 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 2: Now, the Bank of England is expected to leave the 65 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 2: benchmark interest rate on hold later today, markets and economists 66 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 2: being leave. The Monetary Policy Committee will hold borrowing costs 67 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 2: at four and a half percent, while reiterating a cautious 68 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 2: approach to further cards. Speaking earlier this month, the Governor 69 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 2: Andrew Bailey said that although the impact of trade tarifs 70 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 2: on inflation can be ambiguous, in his words, he did 71 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 2: wol the risks to the UK economy from Trump's tariff 72 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 2: war quote are substantial. 73 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: President Vladimir Zelenski is back to US proposal for Ukraine 74 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: and Russia to stop strikes on energy infrastructure. The Ukrainian 75 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 1: leader told US President Donald Trump it would be one 76 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: of the first steps to fully ending the war. White 77 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: As Press Secretary KARLN. Levitt says the call helped move 78 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 1: towards ending the war. 79 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 6: The two leaders also agreed on a partial ceasefire against energy. 80 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 6: Technical teams will meet in Saudi Arabia in the coming 81 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 6: days to discuss broadening the ceasefire to the Black Sea 82 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 6: on the way to a full ceasefire. They agreed this 83 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 6: could be the first step toward the full end of 84 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 6: the war in ensuring security. 85 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: Levitt also described the conversation with Zelensky as fantastic, and 86 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: a US aid described a previous call with Putin as epic. 87 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: Two weeks ago, the US temporarily cut off Ukraine's military 88 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 1: aid and intelligence sharing, but promised fresh support after President's 89 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: Trump and Zelenski spoke. Meanwhile, EU leaders are meeting in 90 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: Brussels today to discussed ramping up their defense capabilities. While 91 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: that U has publicly welcomed US efforts to push for 92 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: a peace steal, leaders have become increasingly alarmed about being 93 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: kept out of Trump's dealings with the Kremlin. 94 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 2: The next generation of uk nuclear submarines starts construction today 95 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 2: as concerns grow about the country's reliance on America for 96 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 2: its defense. Pime Minister Kis Starmer is a tending a 97 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 2: ceremony to mark the work starting on a new Dreadnought 98 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 2: class submarine. James Walcock has more now. 99 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 7: Britain's nuclear submarines are emblematic of the country's defense debate. 100 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,679 Speaker 7: Despite being the country's ultimate nuclear deterrant, all four subs 101 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 7: are active beyond their twenty five year service life and 102 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 7: rely on America for maintenance. Kiss Arm's rare visit is 103 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 7: a way to highlight the public the need to improve 104 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 7: the country's defenses, but the next generation will be debated too. 105 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 7: It's Britain's most expensive military procurement program, costing an estimated 106 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 7: thirty six billion pounds. That's six years worth of the 107 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 7: government's welfare cuts announced earlier this week in London, James 108 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 7: Wilcock the Radio. 109 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: And Finland's unbroken streak as the world's happiest country has 110 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: continued for an eighth year, with the UK in twenty 111 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 1: third place in the global ranking. The US came in 112 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: at twenty fourth for happiness, its lowest ever level. The 113 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: study by the Well Being Research Center the University of 114 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: Oxford is based on a three year average of a 115 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: population's self assessment of its quality of life. Researchers found 116 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: that belief in the kindness of others is much more 117 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: closely tied to happiness than previously thought. Denmark, Iceland, Sweden 118 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 1: and the Netherlands rounded out the top five. 119 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 2: And those are your top stories this morning. Now, let's 120 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 2: look at the markets. US DOT futures are up, so 121 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 2: perhaps a little bit happier after FED chared your own 122 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 2: power reassured them in terms of the fears over tariffs, although, 123 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 2: of course President Trump talking about his view that the 124 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 2: FED would be much better cutting interest rates. That doesn't 125 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 2: really seem to have landed with investors, will it at 126 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 2: some point? Tenny US treasury yields of flat four twenty four? Though, 127 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 2: remember that Japanese markets are closed for holiday today. The 128 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 2: Bloomberg dollar spotl in Leggs is slightly stronger this morning, 129 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 2: the Japanese yen extending Wednesday's recovery, gold hitting a fresh 130 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 2: record high this morning. The Euro trades at one sport 131 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 2: zero eight nine eight, so slightly softer right now. That 132 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 2: is a look at the markets. 133 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 3: And a moment to bring in more and her. 134 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: Trump's tariffs are pushing Chinese exports into other markets. 135 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 3: Plus how wealthy people. 136 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: In the UK are developing new strategies to avoid paying 137 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: inheritance tax. But in the story that colt right this morning, 138 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: a bottle of whiskey a very rare bottle of whiskey 139 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: in cased in what looks like concrete to try and 140 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: add to its rarity value. Have we reached peak collector whiskey? 141 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 2: Possibly yes, because the whole idea of this Scottish distiller, 142 00:07:55,800 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 2: Glen Rothis releasing its oldest and rare single mold is 143 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 2: that it's meant to be drunk. You're meant to smash 144 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 2: the bottle because apparently you know, once you smash the 145 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 2: bottle then you can't resell it, or the casing around 146 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 2: the bottle you can't then resell the bottle because its 147 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 2: almost like selling the bottle without the casing. 148 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: So the extent to which they've gone with this, so 149 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: our writer Brad Jaffi has tasted the whiskey unless you 150 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: read his description. 151 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 3: But the bottom line is it's good. 152 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: But the ideas you can so you can break the packaging, 153 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: then you can send it back to the distillery, who 154 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: will get a sugi artist to reassemble the column, filling 155 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: in the cracks using gold in according with the Japanese 156 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: practice as well as there's a whole collector's element this, 157 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: but it's a very interesting dilemma because unlike other high 158 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: end collectibles of course it is a consumable good, so 159 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: you have to make the decision as to whether you're 160 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: you know, keeping the action figure and its packaging or 161 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: you're taking it out and playing with it. 162 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 3: Essentially. 163 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such a nice story anyway, once to think 164 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 2: about it, I might be smashing the bottle maybe later 165 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 2: for hot Toddy if anyone can hear my little bit 166 00:08:58,640 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 2: of a cult this morning. 167 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: That's bringing more there on our top story this morning 168 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: and the latest on the trade tariffs, but our reporting 169 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: looking at how President Trump's determination to rebalance the US's 170 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: trade relationship with Beijing is pushing Chinese manufacturers and exporters 171 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: to look for alternative markets. It's on leading a new 172 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: China shock on the rest of the world, with job 173 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: losses and economic devastation in Indonesia and other emerging markets. 174 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: Let's bring in our Asia Economics reporter Katie Dimitrieva for 175 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: more on this story. Kat Indonesia is your case study 176 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: in this reporting. What's happened to jobs and the textile 177 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 1: industry there. 178 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 8: Well, it's pretty grim, especially in the past year in Indonesia, 179 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 8: because there has been such a fast pace of layoffs, 180 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 8: like particularly in textiles and shoes elsewhere as well and 181 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 8: in other emerging markets, but Indonesia's really being felt there 182 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 8: and a large reason for that. People there are blaming 183 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 8: and workers and industry groups are blaming China and cheap 184 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 8: Chinese imports. And we've seen other other countries in the 185 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 8: region reacting to that as well by putting in taxes 186 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 8: against companies like Tamu and she and because a lot 187 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 8: of the goods are coming in that way, a lot 188 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 8: of the clothing is coming in that way, and these 189 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 8: small packages. But essentially what's happening is very similar to 190 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 8: what we saw in the US rust belt right in 191 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 8: the nineties and early two thousands when China first came 192 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 8: onto the scene in global trade. We saw a lot 193 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 8: of lost jobs two point four million in the US. 194 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 8: And while those numbers are not as high in Indonesia, 195 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 8: of course, smaller population, they are much faster. The job 196 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 8: loss is happening at a much faster pace. 197 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:44,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, But of course child is trade surface hashitted all 198 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 2: time high, and so the goods that child is muddy. 199 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 2: Factually they have to go somewhere. Who else is being affected? 200 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 8: Yeah, In twenty twenty four, hitting nearly trillion dollars and 201 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 8: so Indonesia's one of them. A Southeast Asia in particular 202 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 8: is interesting because these countries are I mean, they're certainly 203 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 8: geographically close to China, but geopolitically speaking historically are very close, 204 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 8: and they rely on China for a lot of foreign 205 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 8: direct investment, building of infrastructure, roads, things of that nature. 206 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 8: And so to have these countries facing as challenges most 207 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 8: recently very it stands out right, But there's also Brazil, 208 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,719 Speaker 8: there's Mexico, and President Schinbaum there is doing a lot 209 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 8: right now to try to limit again these cheaper goods 210 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 8: from entering. And again that's you know, clothing, its shoes, 211 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 8: it's steel, but it's also components and kind of these 212 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 8: smaller parts that go into big machines and manufacturers that 213 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 8: manufacturers use, and is you know, having the dual effect 214 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 8: of both hitting demand in the domestic economy, so people 215 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 8: are buying these cheap Chinese goods domestically, but also competing 216 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 8: internationally is just that much harder when you're competing with China. 217 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: How much leverage do these countries have to act to 218 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: be able to push back against China. I mean, they 219 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: don't have the same economic haft as the US. 220 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 8: Yeah, it's and this is what makes this shock quite different, right, 221 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 8: the shock two point zero or three point zero is 222 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 8: quite different in that a lot of these economies can't 223 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 8: really push back. You know, they have industries coming to them, 224 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 8: and a lot of the folks profiled in our story 225 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 8: are going directly to their industry groups. For are going 226 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,439 Speaker 8: directly to the government and commerce and trade and saying 227 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 8: we need to put in tariffs or something to stop this, 228 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 8: and you're seeing some of that. There's some investigations and 229 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 8: to steal dumping. There are some tariffs on small packages 230 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 8: or like a value added tax, but they're really limited 231 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 8: because if they take too strong of a stance, well, 232 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 8: there goes your foreign direct investment, there goes your relationship 233 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 8: and certainly your geopolitical ties, which is something that countries 234 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 8: would be concerned about. So they're really between a rock 235 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 8: and a hard place. 236 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 2: Gotta thank you so much for being with us this morning. 237 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 2: All Asia economics will pull to Catty Dmitrievia and you 238 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 2: can read that story in full. Trump's tariffs on Lesha, 239 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 2: New China, shock on the rest of the world in 240 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 2: depth reporting. 241 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: Study carried out by AJ Bell in twenty twenty two 242 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: found a significant investment gap between men and women in 243 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: the UK of as much as one point sixty five 244 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: trillion pounds. How much could addressing that help to boost 245 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: the UK investment landscape? In a bid to close the gap, 246 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: former Goldman Sachs executive Isiho Fori founded Propelled, the UK's 247 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: first female focused investment platform. 248 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 3: For a work, isshow has. 249 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: Been shortlisted for both Kliko's Bold Future Award and she's 250 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: with us in studio now for more. Isha, Good morning 251 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: to you. What is the background to the issue here? 252 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: Why are women in the UK investing less than men? 253 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 9: There are a few reasons. One of them, i'd say, Well, 254 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,559 Speaker 9: the main one is that women lack confidence, or i'd 255 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 9: say it's perceived confidence. Often when you ask them lots 256 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 9: of questions and things like this, they do actually know 257 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 9: more about investing than they think. However, they don't act 258 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 9: on it because they think that they need to know 259 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 9: more or they need an next expert to sort of 260 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 9: guide them, so they inevitably tend to be savers rather 261 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 9: than investors. 262 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 2: Okay, isn't this also part of the gender pay gap 263 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 2: and the fact that women often work slightly fewer hours, 264 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 2: fewer years on average over the course of their working lives. 265 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 9: So that is part of it, but not all of 266 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 9: the story. It's a number of things. So the pay 267 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 9: gap obviously is one of them. Women are the ones 268 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 9: who have children and tend to be the careers, so 269 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 9: take time out. Women also tend to be the careers 270 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 9: for relatives, parents, and then women also are affected quite 271 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 9: a lot during menopause and take time out again. So 272 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 9: when you add all of these things together on top 273 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 9: of the fact that women live longer and that they're 274 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 9: saving rather than investing, it all sort of contributes to 275 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 9: the problem. 276 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: So there's huge untapped potential here as well to boost 277 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: both investment and individual wealth. How do you tackle it? 278 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 9: So for us, it was really about trying to understand 279 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 9: the psychology of women when it comes to money in investing, 280 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 9: but also what are the those hurdles that have been 281 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 9: holding women back and how can we put those into 282 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 9: a platform that's accessible to the masses and enable women 283 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 9: to really feel comfortable and confident when they start investing. 284 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 9: That's the only way to sort of shift the behavior 285 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 9: from saving more towards investing. 286 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 2: Are you concerned that perhaps initiative like initiatives like yours 287 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 2: might suffer some pushback as we see a rollback of 288 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 2: diversity actually an inclusion in the United States and that 289 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 2: focus on women. Do you think that that perhaps will 290 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 2: affect what happens here in the UK. 291 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 9: I think absolutely. One of the ways that we reach 292 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 9: women is working with corporates, and we've already started to 293 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 9: see a shift. But it's really interesting the individuals within 294 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 9: those companies, particularly in the UK, are sort of like, 295 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 9: we still love what you're doing, we still want to help. However, 296 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 9: you know, money and funding and sort of departments are 297 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 9: being shut down. That said, they still recognize the need 298 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 9: and so they are still trying to see how we 299 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 9: can continue to work together. But I've never been afraid 300 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 9: of sort of having that pushback. Even when I first 301 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 9: had the idea, a lot of people told me I 302 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 9: was insane and if women weren't investing, they didn't want to. 303 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: Well, investing in female lab businesses is a broaderish as well, 304 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: one being highlighted this morning by Hannah Bernard, the co 305 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: chair of the invest In Women Task Force in the 306 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: UK as well, writing in the Financial Times, what is 307 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: the issue and is it getting worse? I mean, I 308 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: wonder what your own experience was even getting investment for 309 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: your own company. 310 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 9: I use the word horrendous, and I don't use it lightly. 311 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 9: I perhaps was a bit naive and thought that it 312 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 9: wouldn't be so challenging for me. I know the statistics 313 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 9: around women, but also it's even worse for black women. 314 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 9: But I sort of said to myself, I have a 315 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 9: master's degree in physics from Imperial, I worked at Morgan 316 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 9: Stanley Goldman Sachs. I've got an MBA from London Business School. 317 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 9: Surely those things count for something. But it was still 318 00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 9: incredibly difficult, and inevitably. What I found is that a 319 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 9: lot of the investors are men. They're the ones that 320 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 9: tend to have money that they're looking to invest in 321 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 9: these types of businesses. And I guess it's partly they 322 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 9: didn't understand the story or the need as to why 323 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 9: women need additional resources or an investment platform for women. 324 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 9: But I also think it's just inherent biases as well. 325 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,479 Speaker 9: But the way that I got around it is, you know, 326 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 9: over seventy percent of my investors are women, because they 327 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 9: just naturally understood what we were doing and were also 328 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 9: prepared to invest in a business run by a woman. 329 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 2: Okay, how is propelled doing as a platform? I you know, 330 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 2: I'm very interested in this subject because on the one hand, 331 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 2: you've got you know, like Hannah Bernard and Debbie Wosco 332 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 2: who are leading the government, backed back by Rachel Reed's 333 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 2: sort of personally the Invested Women's Task Force focus on women. Okay, 334 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 2: investing in female led businesses is going down, but nonetheless 335 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 2: they're you know, the they're making that case. And on 336 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 2: the other hand, a lot of kind of female led 337 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 2: clubs in London, for example, trying to build networking bridges. 338 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 2: Those have shut down recently, so it's really a very 339 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 2: difficult space. How are you going to manage this and 340 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 2: navigate this when it comes to propel itself and building 341 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 2: that business. 342 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 9: So I think a lot of resilience, I say, is 343 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 9: the first thing. But when you speak to women, what 344 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 9: I found is they actually do want to invest. We're 345 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 9: also going through something called the Great Wealth Transfer, so 346 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 9: women are amassing wealth and accelerating rate. I think it's 347 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 9: actually this year that the statistics say that sixty percent 348 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 9: of UK wealth is going to be controlled by women. 349 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 9: So women are getting more and more wealth. And when 350 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 9: you do actually speak to them they want to invest, 351 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 9: So for me, it's more about finding them. How do 352 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 9: we reach them? And we do that, as I said, 353 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 9: through companies, through organizations, but actually we've grown massively just 354 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 9: by word of mouth, referrals and social media. 355 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: Are you worried though, with as you described it, how 356 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: companies are real orientating their approach to efforts like this, 357 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: that that funnel for you gets cut. 358 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 9: Off, I think in a sense of potentially companies paying 359 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 9: for some of the services we provide. Yes, but we 360 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 9: can still go into these companies and engage with their 361 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 9: women's networks and things like this, and that has been 362 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 9: incredibly fruitful for us, so, as I said, some. 363 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: More informal connections necessarily than perhaps the former ones funneled 364 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:24,880 Speaker 1: through companies exactly exactly. 365 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 9: So maybe the company can't formally engage in the same 366 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 9: way anymore, but the individuals in these companies absolutely do, 367 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 9: so those doors are still open. 368 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: Here in the UK, major changes to inheritance tax by 369 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: the Labor Government means more wealthy Britains are embracing creative 370 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: tactics to protect and pass on wealth, especially businesses, farmland 371 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: and pensions. Joining us out to discuss Boinberg's Personal Finance 372 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:51,239 Speaker 1: and wealth reporter Alice Cantor Alice, good morning. Remind us, 373 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: first of all, what has the government changed when it 374 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 1: comes to inheritance tax. 375 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 10: The government has overhauled the tax system so that from 376 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 10: next year, in the year after pensions, business in Farmland, 377 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 10: they'll all be including a person's estate. 378 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 3: And what that. 379 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 10: Means is that when in the past people could pass 380 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 10: on their pension and businesses mostly tax free, now they'll 381 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 10: be tax at maybe twenty percent, sometimes even forty percent. 382 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 2: So what are the strategies so that people are thinking 383 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 2: about or employing to basically pass on that wealth, all 384 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 2: that business and try to find a creative way around this. 385 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 10: Yes, so people are drawing down on them sorry, they're 386 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 10: drawing down on their pensions. They're gifting more money to 387 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 10: family members and sooner as well. They're establishing trusts, Some 388 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 10: are taking out costly life insurance policies. They're considering selling 389 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 10: their businesses. They're considering setting up savings accounts for their kids, 390 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 10: even leaving the country in some cases just to avoid 391 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 10: paying the levey, to avoid putting all that pressure on 392 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 10: their children when. 393 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 7: They pass on. 394 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 1: Are they downsides to these strategies Alice, What are the 395 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: people that you spoke to most concerned about or perhaps 396 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: complaining about them most so most wealth advisors. 397 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 10: They say that no matter the strategies that you put 398 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 10: in place, the reality is that this tax is going 399 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,239 Speaker 10: to hurt because there's only so much money that you 400 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 10: can draw on from your pension spot without being taxed 401 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 10: on that as well. And then there's only so much 402 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 10: money you can take away from your business without having 403 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 10: some implications as well on the running of the business itself. 404 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 10: So one problem that people are encountering is that they 405 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 10: often have young children who aren't ready to take over 406 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 10: their businesses, and so it would be foolish to kind 407 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 10: of try to pass on too much too early and 408 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 10: then deal with the consequences of that, and then family 409 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 10: dynamics might also change. So imagine that you give too 410 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 10: much to a family member that you end up having 411 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 10: a confrontation with and you might want to change what 412 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 10: you've done there. 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