WEBVTT - The Physical Embodiment of White Supremacist Systems (1 of 3)

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting from the Hip Hop Weekly Studios. I'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>welcome you to another episode of Civic Cipher, where our

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<v Speaker 1>mission is to foster allyship empathy and understanding. I am

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<v Speaker 1>your host, Ramsy's job.

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<v Speaker 2>He is Ramsey's job. I am q Ward. You are

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<v Speaker 2>tuned in the Civic Cipher, Yes you are, and we

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<v Speaker 2>got some interesting things to discuss today. Was hoping that you'll.

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<v Speaker 1>Say the right way to put it interesting. Definitely. We're

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<v Speaker 1>going to spend some time talking about Governor Mike Parson.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're familiar with this state of Missouri. There's been

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of goings on in that place, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think that his position really illuminates what we say when

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about things like systemic oppression, because he is

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<v Speaker 1>like kind of a physical individual embodiment of that idea

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<v Speaker 1>of oppression, as in so far as systems are concerned,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think a lot of people think that systems

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<v Speaker 1>were created and they are artificially like turning on their

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<v Speaker 1>own access, like self refueling. But indeed there are individuals

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<v Speaker 1>who rise to the top of those systems in many circumstances,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they get to continue to double and triple

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<v Speaker 1>down on historic injustices, and we're going to talk about that.

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<v Speaker 1>We're also going to spend some time talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>name it's been in the news lately, Luigi Mangioni, and

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the way the criminal justice is, the criminal

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<v Speaker 1>justice system is looking at his situation and how a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of times he's afforded some leeway and some benefit

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<v Speaker 1>of the doubt that doesn't really come up a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of times if a person is black. And so these

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<v Speaker 1>are both things that Q definitely wanted to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're going to take the time to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>that and more. But before we're going to before we

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<v Speaker 1>get there, we're going to discuss, as always, some Ebony excellence,

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<v Speaker 1>shall we and I think you know you shall today.

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<v Speaker 2>So by the way, okay, this week's EBNY Excellence sponsored

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<v Speaker 2>by Actively Black. There is greatness in our DNA. Visit

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<v Speaker 2>actively black dot com. This week we'll be highlighting Colorado

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<v Speaker 2>buffalo athlete Heisman Trophy winner Travis Hunter. Many people know

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<v Speaker 2>Travis Hunter as a number one overall high school prospect

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<v Speaker 2>who committed to Florida State University and famously decommitted to

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<v Speaker 2>go with coach Prime to Jackson State, which to say

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<v Speaker 2>it was controversial at the time, really wouldn't be saying enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Went on to Jackson State. They did great things there.

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<v Speaker 2>He then followed coach Prime again to the University of Colorado,

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<v Speaker 2>where he became not just the Heisman Trophy winner, but

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<v Speaker 2>I have to pull out this list to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>I don't miss anything, because it is a very long

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<v Speaker 2>and extensive list of awards that he won this year.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a fan of this guy, and I'm to be fair,

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of learning more about him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Travis Hunter, the twenty twenty four Heisman Trophy winner,

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<v Speaker 2>was also First Team All American Offense and First Team

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<v Speaker 2>All American Defense. If that was the whole list, that

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<v Speaker 2>would be enough, because he was a unanimous first team

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<v Speaker 2>All American on both teams. He'll be the cover of

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<v Speaker 2>the NCAA College Football Games CFB twenty five and Academic

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<v Speaker 2>All American with a four point oh GPA, the Big

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<v Speaker 2>Twelve Defensive Player of the Year, the Associated Press National

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<v Speaker 2>Player of the Year, the Lot Impact Trophy winner, the

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<v Speaker 2>Paul Hornings Award winner, the Bernerick Award winner, the Blittnikoff

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<v Speaker 2>Award winner, the Walcher Campbell Award winner, and again the

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<v Speaker 2>Heisman Trophy. All of this this season. This is not

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<v Speaker 2>a compilation of his entire career. All of that happened

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<v Speaker 2>this year, and I think he deserves to be highlighted

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<v Speaker 2>in our Ebony excellence.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad that we are able to do that. Shout

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<v Speaker 1>out to you, Travis Hunter. Keep going, all right, Mike Parson.

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<v Speaker 1>Because of the fact that it is challenging, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to try to put this as kindly as I can.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you hate when I do this, but are

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<v Speaker 1>just challenging for a lot of our brothers and sisters, particularly,

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<v Speaker 1>are brothers Caucasian brothers. To conceive of an invisible system

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<v Speaker 1>that is artificially oppressing black people when black people have

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<v Speaker 1>the same twenty four hours in the day, when they

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<v Speaker 1>themselves were born into impoverished circumstances, and they have made

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<v Speaker 1>a name for themselves and made an honest go at it,

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<v Speaker 1>when they simply just cooperate with police. How inconceivable an

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<v Speaker 1>artificial system that oppressing black people is to those people,

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<v Speaker 1>It can be understood understandable if you allow them that

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<v Speaker 1>much grace, right, And this is for people who maybe

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<v Speaker 1>they don't have any hatred in their heart, maybe they

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<v Speaker 1>sincerely or they haven't come to terms with the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that they might have some biases that whatever, these people

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<v Speaker 1>may exist. Okay, so I have to have this hypothetical

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<v Speaker 1>argument because you know, for the folks who listen to

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<v Speaker 1>the show, you might have to take this into a

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<v Speaker 1>conversation with your family, a conversation around the water cooler

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<v Speaker 1>at work, and talk to individuals who fit this bill.

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<v Speaker 1>And you cannot come at those people guns blazing like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you're racist. Systemic oppression exists, because they're immediately going to

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<v Speaker 1>reject it on his face and push back. So you

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<v Speaker 1>have to kind of meet them where they think they are.

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<v Speaker 1>So forgive me for playing into the delusion, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's necessary if we're going to make some progress. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, So this in this thought experiment, this man exists, right.

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<v Speaker 1>He cannot imagine an invisible system oppressing black and brown

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<v Speaker 1>people because everybody has the same access to the American dream.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at Oprah, look at Jordan, look at you know

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<v Speaker 1>insert name here, look at Lebron and they don't think

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<v Speaker 1>of those Obama. Yeah, and they don't think of those

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<v Speaker 1>people as one in a million, you know, gifted natural

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<v Speaker 1>talents or people that were exceptionally lucky and had the

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<v Speaker 1>right set of circumstances happen in the right road for them.

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<v Speaker 1>They look at them as people who work just as

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<v Speaker 1>hard as they do, ignoring the fact that they don't

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<v Speaker 1>have as much success as an Oprah or an Obama.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, this is the way that the world

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<v Speaker 1>makes sense to them. So we're going to meet them there.

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<v Speaker 1>How we personify systemic oppression really matters because I think

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<v Speaker 1>that it might help that concept live in the minds

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<v Speaker 1>and the hearts of those people. So today we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about Governor Mike Parson. Now he's in the

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<v Speaker 1>news lately because he has pardoned. I think it is

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<v Speaker 1>the right term. I'll give you the exact term because

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<v Speaker 1>I have an article from the Associated Press to share.

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<v Speaker 1>But he's pardon a police officer who is convicted of

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<v Speaker 1>killing a black man. I'll give you the full story

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<v Speaker 1>in just a second. But the juxtaposition of his position

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<v Speaker 1>it might have been a matter of months ago, and

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<v Speaker 1>we actually covered that on this story, where he had

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<v Speaker 1>the same capacity to pardon a black man, whether it

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<v Speaker 1>was considerable doubt over whether or not he was guilty,

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<v Speaker 1>and chose not to exercise that I think that it

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<v Speaker 1>illuminates how there, indeed are people at the helm of

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<v Speaker 1>many of these invisible systems that show the bias. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that it's been woven into this country and indeed

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<v Speaker 1>into the individuals, because I'm sure if you asked Governor

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Parson, are you a racist man? He would simply reply, no,

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely not. How could you even suggest such a preposterous

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<v Speaker 1>thing to me? But I think that we'll make a

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<v Speaker 1>case that it's at least worth considering. Allow me to begin.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you're ready to go get it. Let me

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<v Speaker 1>paint the picture.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>This from the Associated Press. A white former Kansas City

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<v Speaker 1>police officer who was convicted of involuntary manslaughter and the

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<v Speaker 1>fatal shooting of a black man, was released from prison

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<v Speaker 1>Friday after Missouri's governor commuted his sentence to parole. The

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<v Speaker 1>decision by Republican Governor Mike Parson to free Eric Devanderer

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry Deval, I had the name. I'm so sorry Devalkennair.

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<v Speaker 1>That was It came after months of public debate about

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<v Speaker 1>the case, which had fueled both racial justice protest and impassion.

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<v Speaker 1>Please for mercy from Devalcanaire's supporters. Who asserted he had

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<v Speaker 1>been unjustly convicted. De Valcnaire was serving a six year

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<v Speaker 1>prison sentence. He was convicted in twenty twenty one of

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<v Speaker 1>killing twenty six year old Cameron Lamb as he backed

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<v Speaker 1>into his garage. This is another story that we covered

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<v Speaker 1>on the show. Lamb's name was invoked frequently during racial

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<v Speaker 1>injustice protests in Kansas City in twenty twenty following the

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<v Speaker 1>police killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis. Lamb's family even

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<v Speaker 1>met with then President Donald Trump that year. So what

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<v Speaker 1>we have is a story that was covered, an unjust

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<v Speaker 1>murder of a black man by a police officer. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this happened before twenty twenty, That happened since policing existed. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it has certainly happened before twenty twenty, happened in twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>and still happens now. Okay, And as long as this

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<v Speaker 1>type of stuff keeps happening, we are still going to

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<v Speaker 1>do this show, and we are going to prioritize this

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<v Speaker 1>show and not prioritize some of the other things that

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<v Speaker 1>we do. They're way more on. But this is necessary,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is this is a labor of love for

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<v Speaker 1>us and We appreciate all of you who tune in

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<v Speaker 1>and listen and get this dose of game that we

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<v Speaker 1>think will help subtlely create the ripples that we need

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<v Speaker 1>to create the waves of change in this country. Right

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<v Speaker 1>back to the lecture at hand. So Governor Mike Parson

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<v Speaker 1>looks at this story and the story that we all

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<v Speaker 1>know is true. This man was convicted, okay, and he says,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, I'm going to commute his sentence. Perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>because he's a police officer, perhaps because he's a white man.

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<v Speaker 1>But these aren't things that Governor Mike Parson would admit.

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<v Speaker 1>He may not even know it. I know, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I know you, I know I knew that laugh was coming.

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<v Speaker 1>But he may not. It's not it. It's not impossible,

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<v Speaker 1>however improbable. It's not impossible. He may not even know

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<v Speaker 1>that he has such a strong bias. Right, He might

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<v Speaker 1>just simply say, you know what, this man was doing

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<v Speaker 1>his job, he thought he was doing what was right.

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<v Speaker 1>He took an action that was unfortunate. An individual lost

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<v Speaker 1>his life, and it just so happens to be the

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<v Speaker 1>case that the officer is white and the individual that

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<v Speaker 1>was killed as black. That might be his logic and

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<v Speaker 1>there might be a lot of people who follow that logic,

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<v Speaker 1>most of them because they needed to be true, but

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<v Speaker 1>a small handful of people who think that that logic

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<v Speaker 1>is plausible enough to have his sentence commuted. Right, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Now here's where we're going to flip the script. This

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<v Speaker 1>is from the Equal Justice Initiative. We covered this on

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<v Speaker 1>this very show. Despite Saint Louis County prosecuting Attorney Wesley

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<v Speaker 1>Bell's opposition, Missouri executed Marcellus Williams fifty five, for a

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety eight killing that he consistently maintained he did

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<v Speaker 1>not commit. Quote. Marcellus Williams should be alive today, mister

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<v Speaker 1>Bell said statement shortly after the execution. I goes on

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<v Speaker 1>to say, if there's even the shadow of a doubt

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<v Speaker 1>of innocence, the death penalty tea should never be an option.

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<v Speaker 1>This outcome did not serve the interests of justice. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the quote. The prosecuting attorney wrote that

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<v Speaker 1>new DNA evidence, increasing doubts about the credibility of the

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<v Speaker 1>state's key witnesses, and constitutional defects including ineffective counsel and

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<v Speaker 1>rationally discriminatory jury selection at trial, compelled him to ask

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<v Speaker 1>the court circuit to correct this manifest injustice. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of physical evidence was collected at the crime scene, including

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<v Speaker 1>the murder weapon which was a kitchen knife, bloody shoe

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<v Speaker 1>prints and fingerprints and hairs on the victim's t shirt,

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<v Speaker 1>her hands, and the floor that did not match her

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<v Speaker 1>or her husband, and none of it can be tied

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<v Speaker 1>to mister Williams, the prosecutor wrote. Mister Williams was excluded

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<v Speaker 1>as the source of the footprints and hairs, the fingerprints,

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<v Speaker 1>and male DNA that was recently recovered from the knife handle,

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<v Speaker 1>with no direct evidence leaking mister Williams to the crime.

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<v Speaker 1>The state's case depended on two unreliable witnesses, and of

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<v Speaker 1>course there's more there. Of course, you can check out

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the Equal Justice Initiatives website. But there

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<v Speaker 1>were many calls to Governor Mike Parson to pardon this man,

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<v Speaker 1>to commutisent, whatever the case, just don't kill him. He

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<v Speaker 1>could still be alive and in prison if you so choose.

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<v Speaker 1>Just don't take his life because of all of this

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<v Speaker 1>doubt cast on the case, and the Governor chose not to.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't miss these, he didn't not get he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>hear about it. It's not that he didn't not hear

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<v Speaker 1>about it. That's what I'm trying to say. He chose

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<v Speaker 1>to just let the execution take place. Now, same person,

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<v Speaker 1>same system, two outcomes, one with a more humanitarian and

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<v Speaker 1>indeed a more reasonable, logical and linear path to a

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<v Speaker 1>pardon or to a commuting of the sentence. Now, now

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<v Speaker 1>that the picture is painted, Q, Flora is yours.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, often when we have this conversation, the thing

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<v Speaker 2>that catches me most off guard. And Okay, as I

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<v Speaker 2>was saying that, I realized it wasn't true. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>what catches me most off guard. Is just what upsets

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<v Speaker 2>me most is that in the case with the white officer,

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<v Speaker 2>there's not an argument being made that he didn't kill

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<v Speaker 2>this person. We acknowledge that he killed him, we acknowledged

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<v Speaker 2>that the person was unarmed. But we've somehow come to

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<v Speaker 2>the conclusion that this officer was just doing his job

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<v Speaker 2>and enough is enough. He doesn't deserve to be in prison,

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<v Speaker 2>as is the case in most instances. We're not saying

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying he doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>We're just saying he doesn't deserve any accountability for it.

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<v Speaker 2>We're just saying there's nothing wrong with what he did.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a great way to say it.

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<v Speaker 2>When it's a white officer, when it's a white man,

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<v Speaker 2>when it's a white person, that benefit of the doubt

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<v Speaker 2>always exists, That ignoring accountability always exists. That escape hatch,

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<v Speaker 2>that strap door, let's just all be human beings about

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<v Speaker 2>this and give this person another chance, always exist. And again,

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<v Speaker 2>people think when we make our cases that we're saying

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<v Speaker 2>let's be harder on everybody else, when we're simply saying,

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<v Speaker 2>let's be easier on these afford us the same humanity.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody's here, the benefit of the doubt, the same grace.

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<v Speaker 2>Not let's kill police officers back. No, how about we

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<v Speaker 2>just demand they stop killing us? Is that okay, let's

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<v Speaker 2>kill more white men. No, let's just not kill the

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<v Speaker 2>black ones. Because Ramses and I unfortunately consume more of

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<v Speaker 2>these stories and more of these videos than ever makes

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<v Speaker 2>it in front of you, guys, We've seen white people

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<v Speaker 2>being pursued by law enforcement, shoot at them, throw things

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<v Speaker 2>at them, punch them, running to them with their cars,

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<v Speaker 2>and the officers never even return fire when being shot at,

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<v Speaker 2>never even fight back when being punched, never even harm

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<v Speaker 2>people when they're trying to run them over with their cars,

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<v Speaker 2>And in many cases, after these people have killed multiple people,

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<v Speaker 2>they are pursued with grace and kindness, fed making sure

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<v Speaker 2>that they're okay, given the benefit of the doubt, that

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<v Speaker 2>maybe they're just having a bad day, that the worst

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<v Speaker 2>thing that this person has ever done really isn't who

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<v Speaker 2>they are, and we should all collectively just give them

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<v Speaker 2>a break.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, let me add something right here, right now, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a video up on our social media. If you don't

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<v Speaker 1>follow us, we're at Civic Cipher on all platforms. Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a video on our social media of an officer

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<v Speaker 1>pulling a car over on the side of the freeway.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a gentleman black. He's walking back to his car,

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<v Speaker 1>the car that was just pulled over because he was

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<v Speaker 1>let out on the freeway. And I couldn't tell you

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<v Speaker 1>the story that happened before the video, but he's walking

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<v Speaker 1>to the car. The officer is behind, So let me

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<v Speaker 1>start over. The police officer pulls over maybe a van

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that. Right the officer is radioing in

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<v Speaker 1>to dispatch or something and saying, hey, I pulled over

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<v Speaker 1>this vehicle, blah blah blah. The officer gets out of

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<v Speaker 1>the car. A gentleman approaches on the officer's left side

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<v Speaker 1>and is walking by the officer toward the vehicle in

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<v Speaker 1>front of the police cruiser, right, the van that we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about here. And the officer says, do you know

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<v Speaker 1>this person or something like that, and he's like, oh, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just getting a ride to the hospital. Right, And

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<v Speaker 1>the officer pulls out and the guy keeps walking, just

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<v Speaker 1>walks right past. The officer pulls out his gun and

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<v Speaker 1>shoots him, and the man, the black man, drops right

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<v Speaker 1>to the ground. He's like, no, I'm just getting ride

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<v Speaker 1>to the hospital. Pulls out his gun, dam goes right

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<v Speaker 1>to the floor. Ok, you can watch the video you yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>Then a woman jumps out of the driver's seat of

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<v Speaker 1>the van and she's screaming. She's like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>what have you done? What have you done? And the

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<v Speaker 1>officers he had a gun. Now, the guy didn't move,

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't running. He walked right past him toward the band.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't turn. No, no sudden movement. You can watch a

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<v Speaker 1>video for yourself. Shot him, balls right to the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>Woman is screaming and she's like, he was his hat

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<v Speaker 1>at something like his hat flew out the window of

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<v Speaker 1>the band while we were driving. He went to go

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<v Speaker 1>get his hat, and he's walking back to the car.

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<v Speaker 1>We're on the way to the hospital. You know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying. And the officer's like, Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>So Dio Hughley says something that I feel bears a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more, repeating that the most dangerous place for a

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<v Speaker 1>black man to live is in the imagination of a

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<v Speaker 1>white person. So this is not just police officers, but

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<v Speaker 1>this includes you know, your Karens and your people that

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<v Speaker 1>call the police on black people for just existing being

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<v Speaker 1>black and close enough to your comfort zone. Somehow, we've

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<v Speaker 1>been marketed in such a way that we are always

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<v Speaker 1>the threat when and I don't I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>pretend like we don't live in a reality where wealth

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<v Speaker 1>inequality shapes outcomes and some people who feel like crime

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<v Speaker 1>is their only option to take that path.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, it's not because they're black, No, it's because of

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<v Speaker 2>wealth and equality, false equivalence.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. But the fact is, I've been robbed by white people,

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<v Speaker 1>Black people, the Mexican people, everybody that I've ever lived around.

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<v Speaker 1>They all crimes at large. We all have right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's exactly entirely different conversations.

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<v Speaker 1>But the narrative that has been chronicled largely in this country,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in as far as white folks are concerned, is

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<v Speaker 1>that black people are to be feared. And so again

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of us living in the imagination of white

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<v Speaker 1>folks being the most dangerous place for us to live.

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<v Speaker 1>It plays true in my story, and certainly, as you mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>we consume this professionally so that we can, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>discuss really systems that exist and bring them to life

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<v Speaker 1>with examples, because this isn't just an isolated incident. We're

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<v Speaker 1>not picking on Mike Parson. We're talking about systems and

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<v Speaker 1>people like this and people like Donald Trump and people

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<v Speaker 1>like you know. That list goes on and on. They

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<v Speaker 1>get elected and they quote unquote do the will of

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<v Speaker 1>the people.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it's important to highlight before we move on,

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<v Speaker 2>the prosecuting attorney who got this black man convicted was

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<v Speaker 2>a part of the team saying, hey, we got this

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<v Speaker 2>one wrong, we got this one wrong, and we probably

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't execute this person, because not only is there some

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<v Speaker 2>benefit of the doubt here, the DNA present isn't his,

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<v Speaker 2>the hair present isn't his. The footprints present don't belong

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<v Speaker 2>to him, the husband or the wife. This same governor

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<v Speaker 2>who sought in his heart and all of his grace

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<v Speaker 2>and mercy to parton the white officer who he knows

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<v Speaker 2>for sure killed the black man in his driveway here,

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<v Speaker 2>could not find it in his heart to just make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that the state didn't execute a man who it

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<v Speaker 2>was most likely not only didn't deserve to die, but

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<v Speaker 2>did not commit the crime. That's important because it's not

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<v Speaker 2>saying this guy committed this crime but doesn't deserve to die.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>The evidence is saying that, most likely this guy didn't

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<v Speaker 2>even do it. Right, But we're going to pardon the

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<v Speaker 2>guy that we know did do it.

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<v Speaker 1>And man, that's that's a lot to live with. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you're right. There are systems, but there are also people,

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes they work together.