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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff.

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Speaker 2: Like one of the cool things that I'm doing is

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Speaker 2: taking an extra week to make sure that this really

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Speaker 2: big story about neoliberalism and the Zapatistas and all that stuff,

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Speaker 2: making sure I do it right, and to facilitate me

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Speaker 2: taking that break, I'm learning a rerun. You probably already

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Speaker 2: knew that this is part two, but I figured i'd

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Speaker 2: tell you again anyway. And this is an episode about

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Speaker 2: the Maganistas, who kind of did the Mexican Revolution before

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Speaker 2: the Mexican Revolution, and I think they're cool and that

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Speaker 2: they did cool stuff, which is why I recorded an

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Speaker 2: episode about them, and I'm playing it again, and here

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Speaker 2: it is. Hello and Welcome to Cool People Did Cool Stuff,

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Speaker 2: which is podcast about history and the people in it

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Speaker 2: who did good things, usually in the face of bad things,

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Speaker 2: because that's one of the main things you can do

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Speaker 2: when there's a dichotomy is take the other side of dichotomy,

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Speaker 2: and if one side of it is bad, then the

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Speaker 2: other side is good. I know how words work. I'm

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Speaker 2: Margaret Kiljoy with me today. It's Kataboo. How are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm great?

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Speaker 2: How are you? I'm doing pretty good? My dog is outside.

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Speaker 2: Usually when I record, he's like right behind me. I

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Speaker 2: was already telling Kath this, but now I'm apparently telling

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Speaker 2: everyone This's usually he's like right behind me, and every

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Speaker 2: little The major he doesn't have a dog is that

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Speaker 2: it's a endorphin machine. You just like look at it

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Speaker 2: and then you're like, oh, you know, do you do that.

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Speaker 3: Thing when you look at him? And then he said

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Speaker 3: out sense is it? And then he just like raises

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Speaker 3: his head a little bit to be like hey.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he's like oh, and then he puts

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Speaker 2: his head back down. It's so good.

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Speaker 3: Perfect.

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Speaker 2: He's a perfect little angel who is probably now scarying

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Speaker 2: off all the airplanes in the yard because he's learned

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Speaker 2: he will probably do it till I die. And I'm

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Speaker 2: glad that I don't have a lot of neighbors and

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Speaker 2: all my neighbors think that my dog is gigantic and scary,

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Speaker 2: and I don't actually hate that. I don't hate that

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Speaker 2: my neighbors think I have a giant, scary dog, even

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Speaker 2: though I don't. That's what this episode is you just.

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Speaker 1: Have to see Rendrow space. It's I know, perfect.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: What this dog looks like.

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Speaker 1: I love it, handsome, hands I believe it. I believe that.

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Speaker 2: He's a if you mixed a muppet and a tiny

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Speaker 2: German shepherd together.

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Speaker 1: That's such a perfect description of Rondraw.

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Speaker 3: That sounds like the most perfect being that's ever existed.

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Speaker 2: I know. The other one is actually I can see

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Speaker 2: on screen is Anderson.

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Speaker 1: Ye equally perfectly right behind me.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing. It's much like how I run across the

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Speaker 2: perlatives and history, and I'm like, how can all these

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Speaker 2: it like I think about dogs. All dogs are the

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Speaker 2: best dog exactly. And uh. Anderson's person is our producer

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Speaker 2: named Sophie.

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Speaker 1: Hi, Sophie, that's my favorite way you've ever introduced me.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's one of the things you're very good at.

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Speaker 1: I hope, so I try really hard.

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Speaker 2: Also, Ian as our audio engineer, Hi Ian Hi, Ianne him.

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Speaker 2: Our music was made for us by unwoman. And this week,

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Speaker 2: you know, like, okay, I say this every Wednesday. Every Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: I say, go back and listen to Mondays episode because

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Speaker 2: it won't make any fucking sense. It's like extra true,

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Speaker 2: I think this time, because you're really coming in the middle,

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Speaker 2: Like what do you Why do you make the decisions

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Speaker 2: decisions they want is relate to this. It's not hurting

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Speaker 3: It's just going to be really confusing because you won't

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Speaker 3: get all of the awesome backstory and the Louisa shit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Louisa doesn't even come back into the story.

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Speaker 3: And exactly do you want to miss out on li Lisa?

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Speaker 2: No, Margarita doesn't come back in either.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, you're going to mis sell with Lisa

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So this week we were talking about the Maganestas,

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Speaker 2: the peasant and proletarian uprisings that came shortly before and

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Speaker 2: it's probably going to kill us at some point, right,

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Speaker 2: That is a thing that they do. They have a dictator.

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Speaker 2: A few of their crew are already in San Antonio,

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Speaker 2: She goes on to become a leader of the resistance.

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Speaker 2: where the they went penniless. Ricardo's pants were actually patched

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Speaker 2: guess they took jobs as farm laborers and dishwashers. They

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Speaker 2: they'll like be revolutionary spased with their family money, which

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Speaker 2: revolutionaries that I read about, like, yeah, this guy crossed

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Speaker 3: And I know you said that it's illegal for him

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Speaker 2: It is illegal for him to get it into Mexico. Fortunately,

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Speaker 2: going to every fucking hacienda and passing out regeneracy on right,

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Speaker 2: absolutely something that people died doing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like something about the fact that the written

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Speaker 2: I want to focus a bit less on the liberal

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Speaker 3: And this is like early nineteen hundred. So they're taking

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Speaker 2: They were getting hundreds of letters a day. The US

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Speaker 2: Mail confiscated over four thousand letters in the end, right,

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Speaker 2: And they basically were like, what do you want? Right?

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Speaker 2: And they put it all together into one document, and it,

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Speaker 2: The current Mexican Constitution borrows heavily from this document because

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Speaker 2: the leader of the group that drafted the nineteen seventeen

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Speaker 2: this document it wanted to curb the powers of the

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Speaker 2: with no possibility of re election, which has been a

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Speaker 2: big issue for like almost one hundred years at this point.

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Speaker 2: No more military tribunals, no more compulsory military service. Replace

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Speaker 2: prisons with agricultural penal colonies, no more death penalty. Women

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Speaker 2: are equal to men in all regards. Free and universal

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Speaker 2: secular education for children, free speech, free press, eight hour workday,

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Speaker 2: minimum wage, pensions for every job. No child labor unions

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Speaker 2: are encouraged. Restore the land to indigenous communities, seize giant landholdings,

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Speaker 2: and distribute the land fairly among the peasants. And Mexican

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Speaker 2: citizenship is mandatory for land ownership because so much of

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Speaker 2: Mexico is owned by foreign business investments. This sounds great,

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Speaker 2: It was. It had one one fatal flaw.

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Speaker 2: The fatal flaw that afflicts the nineteenth and early twentieth

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Speaker 2: century labor union almost everywhere you look. Sophie's giving me

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Speaker 3: About get everyone fair wages. Yeah, I mean it's like

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Speaker 2: But WHOA, I don't know about all that. Yeah later

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Speaker 3: And Diaz is still in power.

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Speaker 3: That's just like every flaker, would I know.

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Speaker 2: So the worker stage a walkout. A white manager starts

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Speaker 3: That's such a slow way to die, being stabbed to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't fucking mind. In this case, the manager's

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Speaker 2: which is a scale that I can't really fathom.

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Speaker 3: I don't understand how you arrest twenty thousand people. Where

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Speaker 3: Either way, A shit done.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Meanwhile, elsewhere, the Yaqui people are rebelling against the

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Speaker 2: And so the PLM they're getting fucking ready for revolution.

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Speaker 3: Is the US rating these cells, like New Mexico.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the US police are doing it a lot of it.

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Speaker 3: It's all me. It's all on me. I'm so sorry everyone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fortunately you you weren't able to stop the rebels,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why every couple of years we have to

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Speaker 2: No companies just see their union striking and be like,

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Speaker 3: It's just about to say, yeah, what an insane thing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just like they're like, hey, let's get some bad

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Speaker 3: Like that is like and that's like a movie villain

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Speaker 3: oh my workers are striking, Let's cut the leaves off

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Speaker 3: the trees, you know, not just cut down that, like,

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Speaker 2: It's like Disney level villain level.

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Speaker 2: The villain's like comically bad, which I guess makes sense

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Speaker 3: They're asking AI, They're like, how do we sound that

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Speaker 3: to our strikers, and then chat GVT is like cut

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Speaker 2: That's probably what happened. Right you and know what else

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Speaker 2: is controlled algorithmically tell me the ads that people are

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Speaker 2: me advertising Cooler Zone Media. Here's some ads, and we're

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Speaker 2: back the textile workers. They want to their company is

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Speaker 2: now we support the textile workers. Fuck yeah. So the

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Speaker 2: no one gets anything, basically, and because they've been sent

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Speaker 2: Guys like, I got money.

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Speaker 3: We'll get money either way. Like you get money if

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Speaker 3: Now you're getting no money.

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Speaker 2: I know you can their surplus value.

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Speaker 3: I know you can still get money by selling people food.

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Speaker 3: You're getting no money by doing this. You are so

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Speaker 3: bad at owning a business.

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Speaker 2: One money or zero money.

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00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,640
Speaker 3: I'd rather have one money if I was a goulish

435
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 3: cartoon character that wants to starve workers. I would still

436
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 3: like at least one money.

437
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, in the end, the store owner gets nothing

438
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,880
Speaker 2: because they looted the store and burned it down buckets.

439
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 2: Then they went and said everyone free at the local jail.

440
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,879
Speaker 3: Hell yeah.

441
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,679
Speaker 2: And so the rebels their maganese does and they're not subtle.

442
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 2: The editor of their newspaper of the local, the Textile

443
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 2: Worker newspaper, said, when we run into difficulties with management,

444
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 2: we shall strike, and if the strike is not successful,

445
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,400
Speaker 2: we shall turn to dynamite and revolution. Soon that particular

446
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 2: editor was on the run I believe had to move

447
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 2: to the United States for saying that the dictatorship freaked

448
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 2: the fuck out about this textile thing. Men, women and

449
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 2: children is a quote sorry from author Hernandez Padia. Men,

450
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 2: women and children were pulled from their homes and executed

451
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 2: in the barracks. Those able to flee were later captured

452
00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 2: and killed. Meanwhile, management at the Rio Blanco mill raised

453
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 2: their champagne filled glasses and in unison honored General Martinez

454
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 2: with a toast. They celebrated the massacre. Yeah, it's a.

455
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 3: Do you're celebrating kids being slaughdered, and at no point,

456
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 3: you're not like, oh wow, am I the bad guy here?

457
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, they said, are we the baddies? But then

458
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 2: they looked at their Sorry, I don't know if I can.

459
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 3: They were like, yeah, we're thick, We're good.

460
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 2: Yeah. Meanwhile in the US, a lot of the labor

461
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 2: union in the US is trying to support this. To

462
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 2: the goth Irish socialist Mother Jones, she probably didn't identify

463
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,400
Speaker 2: as a goth. She was just a woman who wore

464
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,919
Speaker 2: black mourning clothes all the time. So she was a

465
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 2: goth because we've always been here, much like trans people

466
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 2: have always been here, Goths always been here. Mother Jones.

467
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 2: We talked about her in her black dresses and her

468
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 2: tough as fuck labor organizing in the Blair Blair Mountain episode.

469
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 2: She liked to cuss, She liked to hang out with

470
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 2: real rowdy boys with revolvers, and she fights against the

471
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 2: repression of the Maganestas in the US and alongside the

472
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: rest of the US labor movement, and she puts political

473
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 2: pressure on governments to get rebels freed from US jails.

474
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 2: She successfully frees at least one of the sort of

475
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 2: the liberal editors who are in the US who are

476
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 2: writing not Magone but another one. She goes on a

477
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 2: speaking tour around the country about the struggle of the PLM.

478
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 2: Labor unions raise thousands of dollars. The minor unions in

479
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 2: particular a supportive since many of their members are Mexican

480
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 2: or Mexican American themselves, and basically there's just dozens of

481
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 2: groups all over the US working to support the PLM.

482
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 2: They keep trying to catch Ricardo Flores Magone. I was

483
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 2: not to say you can't catch him, but he's been.

484
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 2: He gets caught like eighteen times in his life. But

485
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 2: they fail a lot too. He keeps escaping out windows

486
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 2: and shit because he's pretty sure if they catch him.

487
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 2: At this point he's one hundred percent going to Mexico

488
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 2: and getting executed. He is a twenty thousand dollars bounty

489
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 2: on his head. There are scores of private detectives after

490
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 2: him from multiple agencies. So he flees from Los Angeles

491
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 2: by resorting to the old standby. He dresses as a

492
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 2: woman and moves to San Francisco. Yes, yeah, the real

493
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 2: question is whether he kept the mustache when he did

494
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 2: that or not.

495
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 3: I hope to that he did. It's an impressive mustache.

496
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 2: It is. It is. He doesn't stop organizing mlon the run.

497
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,479
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened with his family at this point.

498
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 2: He has a common law wife at this point, and

499
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 2: they agreed upon basically they're both anarchists, and they both

500
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 2: believe in the sort of anarchist feminist principle at the

501
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 2: time of being against the formal institution of marriage. So

502
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 2: they're common law married, and he adopts her daughter as

503
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 2: his own, and they stay tight the rest of his life,

504
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 2: which is like a good turn. Usually when we have

505
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 2: like a self obsessed man who's like grouchy when he

506
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 2: doesn't get his way and is like a radical, he's

507
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 2: also just like a misogynist piece of shit, right mcgon

508
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 2: Ricardo flour Is mcgon is like interesting. He clearly believe it,

509
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 2: believes and writes in a lot of feminist principles. And

510
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 2: one of the things that I ran across at one

511
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 2: point was that the other like Broie guys he's hanging

512
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 2: out with, won't crack certain jokes around him. And it

513
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 2: doesn't quite say what jokes, but I think it's misogynist

514
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 2: jokes that he's just like won't fucking put up with.

515
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 2: So he's like mostly really he is better than everyone

516
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,239
Speaker 2: else around him who are men, but he also like

517
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 2: is some of his earlier a lot of his articles

518
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 2: are like women should support the revolution by supporting their

519
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,719
Speaker 2: men or whatever at various points, like really boring shit too,

520
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 2: at various points, so whatever, But usually I talk about

521
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 2: these people and then they're like, wife and kids fucking

522
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 2: hate them because they're like, these people treated me like shit.

523
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 2: He his wife and his daughter like him and help

524
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 2: fight for him, so they.

525
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 3: Both like him, Like you don't. Just I really love

526
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 3: like a curmudgeon who is a wife guy, you know,

527
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 3: like he hates everyone except like three people. That's like

528
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 3: a an archetype. I really enjoy. Yeah, and I'm glad

529
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 3: that you know, he has a wife and daughter who

530
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 3: love him. Yeah, I yeah, just very at least tolerate

531
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 3: him and speak positively.

532
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like actively like fight campaign to get him

533
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 2: out of jail multiple times, choose to continue to live

534
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 2: with him, have no legal bounds to him, and continue

535
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 2: to do all of these things, you know, Like, yeah,

536
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 2: so the Maganest does they decide they're going to try

537
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 2: their nineteen oh six plan again, only in nineteen oh eight.

538
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 2: They don't really actually change that much about the plant.

539
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 3: Do they still do it by mail?

540
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the problem. That is, there is more time

541
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 2: for more people to get armed and organized, and their

542
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 2: messaging is getting less subtle and more radical. They're basically like, well, okay,

543
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 2: here's a quote. We do not fight for abstractions, but

544
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: from material realities. We want land for everyone, for everyone bred.

545
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 2: Insofar as blood must necessarily flow, it will be so

546
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 2: that the conquest we secure will benefit everyone and not

547
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: just a certain social cast. Macgon can't lead this one.

548
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 2: He's back in jail. He's a lost track of why

549
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 2: he gets rested in nineteen oh seven, but he gets

550
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 2: rested in nineteen oh seven. He isn't freedom next freed

551
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 2: until until nineteen ten. He keeps trying to be in

552
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: charge from jail, but basically people are doing it without him,

553
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 2: and I don't know there's still a floor as Magon involved.

554
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 2: Enrique is throwing down in running papers. Ricardo is writing

555
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 2: fiery shit in prison, which he's really fucking good at.

556
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 2: I think he's better at that than he is running things, honestly,

557
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 2: and the way he gets his stuff that he writes

558
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 2: in prison out is that he sews paper into his

559
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 2: underwear and then passes on to his lawyers to smuggle out.

560
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 2: And the nineteen oh eight uprising was more organized than

561
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 2: the previous one. There's sixty groups in the US and Mexico.

562
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 2: They're planning action. They divide Mexico into five different parts

563
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 2: where make sure that everywhere gets hit. Each group develops

564
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: its own plan of attack and gathers its own weapon

565
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: and fighters. But delegates carry message. Actually huh, I'm like, oh, yeah,

566
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 2: it's totally by mail. But now I'm reading this and

567
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, I think maybe it wasn't as much by mail,

568
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 2: possibly because of occamas and jail, because you have delegates

569
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 2: going carrying messages between groups and giving talks. Basically, like

570
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 2: they're like going around given talks being like, hey, we're

571
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 2: gonna have a revolution next month, y'all should do it.

572
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 3: Hey, yeah, we'll send the ABDI.

573
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 2: And one of the things that they do is they

574
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 2: actually write two groups, and one of it works really

575
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 2: well and one of it works really badly. They write

576
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 2: to all of the indigenous allies that they've worked with

577
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 2: and all of the other and basically they're like, hey,

578
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 2: y'all down, we're gonna fucking overthrow this government. You want

579
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 2: to help overthrow this government, We'll make sure everything goes good.

580
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 2: And that went really well. They also sent letters to

581
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 2: all the army of Mexico and we're like, hey, we're

582
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 2: like of the people. You're probably a conscript. We're actually

583
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 2: fighting for good shit. You should come join us. This

584
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 2: mostly just leads to like really easy infiltration because someone

585
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 2: like a bunch officers show up and they're like, oh yeah,

586
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: we're like to like with you. What's the plan again? Yeah,

587
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 2: several cells get busted this way.

588
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 3: As many as like last time, or if you were.

589
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. More uprisings do happen, but I don't

590
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 2: know the like percent of people who get busted ahead

591
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 2: of time. I only read about one particular bust ahead

592
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 2: of time, so I'm actually guessing fewer, but I'm not sure.

593
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 3: Awesome.

594
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 2: One of the letters Ricardo had smuggled out was to

595
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 2: his brother and it explained, okay, so they're moving more

596
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: from liberal to anarchist at this point right overall, both

597
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 2: in terms of their ideology and their strategy and but

598
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: not what they're saying. They are still the Liberal Party right,

599
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 2: and Ricardo smuggles out a letter that basically says the

600
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 2: revolution has to be anarchist in nature, and he's like,

601
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 2: the reason is because revolutions are always betrayed by leaders

602
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: in bourgeois pressures that co opt and corrupt the will

603
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 2: of the people, which happens in the nineteen ten revolution.

604
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 2: So he's right about that. But then he says, they

605
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: should still call themselves liberals and just act like anarchists

606
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: and state their aims, which were anarchists, but they should

607
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 2: disguise their true goal.

608
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: Right.

609
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 2: This gets argued about about whether or not this worked

610
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 2: for them. Some people are like, the reason it worked

611
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 2: as well as it did is because of this. Other

612
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 2: people are like, it actually kind of fucked them up

613
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 2: because it forestalled a bunch of rifts that were going

614
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 2: to happen, and so then instead the rifts happened during

615
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 2: like a worse time, right, and it underestimated the radical

616
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 2: will of the revolutionaries. I don't fucking know. I don't

617
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 2: know what was right here. I have a honesty thing

618
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: where I think you should just be about what you're about.

619
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 2: But I also have a thing where being ideologically stubborn

620
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily make anyone good, and so.

621
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 3: People don't know that they actually identify with the different

622
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 3: ideology because the word's scary.

623
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And it's been decades since. They're like an

624
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 2: anarchist tradition in Mexico of large size and things like that.

625
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, I don't fucking know they did what

626
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 2: they did. So in nineteen oh eight, both sides are

627
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 2: getting ready. When you go around and give talks like

628
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: we're gonna have a revolution on the following day, it's

629
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 2: not a good way to keep things undercover.

630
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: Right.

631
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 2: Troops are stationed on the border. Political officials go into hiding.

632
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 2: This is like such a good winning moment, like even

633
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 2: if you fail at your shit, if everyone was like,

634
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 2: oh fuck, it's like when Trump had to go hide

635
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 2: in his bunker, you know. Yeah, the Northern States go

636
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 2: under martial law and hundreds of PLM activists are arrested

637
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 2: and murdered. The US hates them too. They absolutely threaten

638
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 2: US interests in Mexico and even US interests at home. Basically,

639
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 2: the fears that of Mexico turns into a worker's paradise,

640
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 2: it'll stop exporting cheap labor. So one of the very

641
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: first things that the precursor to the FBI, the Bureau Investigation.

642
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 2: One of the very first things they do in their

643
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 2: history is attack the PLM, like go after the PLM,

644
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 2: keep track of them, try and bring down their leaders,

645
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 2: all of that stuff. The Alpaso cell was the main

646
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 2: one I know about getting raided in particular. It was huge.

647
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 2: It was two hundred to eight hundred people. But this

648
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: one didn't get caught by any other means except their

649
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 2: neighbors were like, you know, these people are a lot

650
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 2: of like crates and shit in their yard. It's kind

651
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 2: of weird. So they called the cops, and yeah, so

652
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 2: the nimbi's brought down. I mean, the NIMBI is probably

653
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 2: proud of shit of themselves because they they find bombs

654
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 2: and guns and like maps to all the like banks

655
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 2: in the town in northern Mexico where they're gonna go

656
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 2: with like.

657
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 3: No one likes a snitch. Yeah, come on, guys.

658
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. So once again the oppression mostly works but doesn't.

659
00:34:55,640 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 2: At the same time, in Viesca, two hundred pl fighters

660
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 2: women and men rose up. They take over the palace,

661
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: They bomb the house of the district boss. District bosses

662
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 2: are these like the political cronies of Diaz who oversee

663
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 2: all of the different things in a region. Right, they're

664
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 2: just like the fucking symbol of corruption. They go and

665
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 2: they free all the prisoners in the jail. They take

666
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: over the town and they set up their platform, which

667
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 2: is the anarchism disguised as liberalism. They march off to

668
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 2: the next town. They're scattered by federal troops. In akiyucn Akiukan,

669
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 2: a city in southeast Mexico, the PLM did the same thing.

670
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 2: They empty a jail, they declare the liberal program and

671
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 2: that the dictatorship was dead. There's only one exchange of

672
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 2: gunfire in this particular time with some cops. One revolutionary

673
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 2: was injured, one cop was killed. In the end, they're

674
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 2: dispersed one fight near the border. So one of the

675
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 2: other things I kind of cut through it in the

676
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 2: fast forwarding when they were like hanging out in the US,

677
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 2: they make friends with the IWW, the Industrial Workers of

678
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,439
Speaker 2: the World, who are like, if you end up doing

679
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 2: shows about the US and the nineteen tens and twenties,

680
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: you're gonna like the IWW because they're fucking everywhere and

681
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 2: they're doing everything cool. They are like the ones who

682
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 2: just like put a nail in. Well, okay, other people

683
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 2: became racist and with labor unions later, but they were

684
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: the ones who were like, fuck racist labor organizing that

685
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 2: is some fucking bullshit, and like really actively worked with

686
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 2: a lot of different immigrant communities and not just ethnic

687
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 2: whites like previous Anyway, whatever, I like them. They are

688
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 2: a big part of They're like thrown down with the

689
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 2: maganeste As left and right, and they're like, all right,

690
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 2: we'll fucking help you invade Mexico whatever, like so far

691
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 2: of the same struggle, right and this. I think that

692
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 2: they were in this one border town because I think

693
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: it's Les Vacas that I don't remember. I didn't write

694
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 2: into the fucking script. I think the IWW threw down

695
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 2: because one poet later describing it talks about a blonde

696
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 2: guy who's fighting for the anarchists, who takes a bullet

697
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 2: and the thigh, the shin in the shoulder and keeps fighting.

698
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 2: It's hot, yeah, you know, it makes me happy for

699
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 2: the inner like international solidarity and the guy who takes

700
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: three bullets and it's just like you, fuck it, I'm aragorn.

701
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 2: You can't fucking see dude.

702
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, good for you, dude.

703
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like Yellen and German He's like, what the fuck.

704
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 2: And everywhere they did this, people took note of the

705
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 2: fact that these rebels, compared to a lot of other

706
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 2: rebels in history, that they were all pretty used to.

707
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 2: They didn't rob or steal, and so they had the

708
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 2: people's support. They would I mean they would, like I

709
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 2: think they would rob banks, right, but they wouldn't like

710
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 2: take money from people. This all there's more fighting overall

711
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 2: the uprising. It fails, and no small part because the

712
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: Pinkertons in the US government doing all their investigations and shit.

713
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 2: So I think nineteen o nine, shortly after this, there's

714
00:37:55,680 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 2: one indigenous Myo guy. His name is Fernando Polmaz and

715
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 2: he's like, well, we have a problem. Why don't we

716
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,919
Speaker 2: go for the most direct solution that we can think

717
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 2: of for the problem of this dictator. So he waited

718
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 2: for Portfolio Das to give a public appearance and then

719
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: he shot him.

720
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,439
Speaker 3: But uh oh, yeah, we know how he does.

721
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 2: I know he did. He was wearing a bulletproof vest.

722
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 2: They had those in like nineteen twenty apparently ridiculous, I know,

723
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: And the crowd had the assassin's back. And this is

724
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 2: the first time whenever in the show someone like goes

725
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 2: up and tries to kill Azar or whatever, the crowd

726
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 2: is like fuck you and tries to kill the assassin.

727
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 2: Right now, people fucking hate Diaz. The crowd who was

728
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 2: there to see Diaz speak help his would be assassin

729
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 2: get away safely.

730
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 3: That's so embarrassing for him, I know.

731
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 2: You know, it's kind of just like it was a draw,

732
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 2: you know, both people got away. And in nineteen ten,

733
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 2: Ricardo gets out of prison alongside a bunch of other

734
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 2: PLM folks in I think Los Angeles, and they are

735
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 2: met with crowds throwing flowers and cheering, and so he's

736
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 2: Ricardo Flora's mccon so immediately just goes back to chainsmoking

737
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 2: and sitting over a typewriter where General Sion is becoming internationalists.

738
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 2: They now have an English language page is eventually, and

739
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: it's funny because like the Spanish language part of it

740
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 2: for a long time, eventually it balances out. For a

741
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 2: long time, the Spanish language part is like, we're going

742
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,919
Speaker 2: to fucking overthrow this shit. We're going to redistribute the lands.

743
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 2: There is gonna be full fucking socialism is going to

744
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 2: fucking rule. And the English paper is like us good

745
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 2: liberals wish to see more democracy in Mexico, your neighbor.

746
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 3: But then it's crazy that like he had flowers throw

747
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 3: an irons should in like la and I've never heard

748
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 3: of this guy. Yeah, yeah, I mean like he had

749
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 3: this much investment in like US labor movements.

750
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, US labor movement and US and Mexican American rights,

751
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 2: which is later what he ends up fighting for a

752
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 2: lot too. And yeah, no is people are bad at memory,

753
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 2: which is why if they take these Do we sell

754
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 2: memory pills? Sophie?

755
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 3: Oh, what about dick pills?

756
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 2: Do we sell dick pills? Sometimes? More or less?

757
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: Is that the occasionally?

758
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 2: Do we sell titty skills? Does anyone advertise estrogen on

759
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 2: this show?

760
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: I feel like we got offered something for that at

761
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: one point, but I don't know if it actually happened.

762
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: I don't care. I try to not know as much

763
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: about our ads.

764
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 2: That's that's fair. Well, let's refer to one of our

765
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 2: old standbys. This show is sponsored by the idea of

766
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 2: not talking to cops. If you're arrested, you just want

767
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 2: to talk to a lawyer, not a cop. Talking to

768
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 2: a cop won't make your case better. Talking to a

769
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 2: lawyer might. And then it also purchased shit. I guess

770
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 2: it doesn't actually impact us one way or the other,

771
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 2: whether or not you.

772
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: Do like a gift for your lawyer that teaches you

773
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: to shut the fuck up and not talk to cops.

774
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially if we're sponsored by Flowers. I like Flowers.

775
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was nice.

776
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 2: Thanks, here's some ads and we're back. So they've started

777
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 2: their newspaper backup, running it out of la They have

778
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 2: a new slogan at Tierra Libertad, Land and Liberty, which

779
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: they got from friends of the pod. The Russian Neurodniks

780
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: were early socialists and nihilis and Russia who left the

781
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 2: cities to go organize agrarian communities. Later, he passes on

782
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 2: this slogan to Emiliano Zapada and it becomes one of

783
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 2: the main slogans of the Mexican Revolution. But more importantly

784
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 2: than newspapers and slogans, there's now a revolution. It's full scale.

785
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: It's in Mexico. A guy named Madero who could have

786
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 2: been in this story like eight times earlier, but I

787
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 2: kept cutting him out because Eventually I'm going to do

788
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 2: a Mexican Revolution episode and he'll be all over it

789
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 2: as the almost good guy but kind of not. He

790
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 2: used to support mcgon when mcgon was more of a liberal,

791
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 2: but now mcgon's gone further left and Madero has gone

792
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 2: further to center. Madero ran for president in nineteen ten.

793
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 2: He was arrested. He lost a rigged election, so he

794
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 2: escaped from prison, goes to the US, calls for a revolution,

795
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 2: and basically he actually wants the liberal reforms in kind

796
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 2: of a century way, but he's pretty genuine about what

797
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 2: he wants. Madero writes the anarchists, begging for their support,

798
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 2: and mcgon responds by writing an essay like publishing an

799
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 2: essay titled Madero is a Trader to the Cause of Liberty.

800
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 2: We are now entering mcgon's curmudgeonally fuck stage, where he

801
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 2: is mad that no one is his radicals and now

802
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 2: that the revolution is happening, which fair, I mean he

803
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 2: fucking him and his friends laid the groundwork and then

804
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 2: saw it not be what it could have been. But

805
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 2: the PLM, which is more and more openly anarchist, they

806
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,760
Speaker 2: don't just sit the Mexican Revolution out the Mexican Revolution

807
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 2: fought by several different armies working more or less on

808
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 2: the same side, but like not and actually they end

809
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 2: up in fighting each other. It's a whole fucking thing.

810
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 2: So the PLM is like, all right, well, our big

811
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:42,760
Speaker 2: thing is that we invade Mexico from northern from Texas

812
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 2: and then try and set everyone free. So they played

813
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 2: their strengths and they try to invade Chihuahua State in

814
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 2: northern Mexico, just to get a sense of when I

815
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 2: say land distribution was unequal in Mexico during this time,

816
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 2: the governor of Chihuahua was a banker who personally owned

817
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 2: two million acres of land. He also owned the main

818
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 2: bank in the area. His family owned seventy million acres.

819
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 2: They're just for a sense of scale, because that's a

820
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 2: number that just doesn't make any sense to me. There

821
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 2: are only seven states in the US with more than

822
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 2: seventy million acres total. Like this is like if I

823
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:29,240
Speaker 2: don't know one guy owned Nevada.

824
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 3: Wow, which is about that's so much for one guy

825
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 3: to own.

826
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 2: I don't think he's just going to use it. I

827
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 2: don't think he's going to use it all.

828
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 3: I just don't think you can use seventy million acres.

829
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 3: And I know that's controversial, but I really, I really

830
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 3: think that.

831
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: Can you imagine that water bill.

832
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 2: Especially if it's Nevada, right, Jesus, Yeah, you'd have an

833
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 2: army instead. Okay. Also, this extended family owns the railroads,

834
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 2: the mines, the mills, the sugar refineries, the breweries, the granaries,

835
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,439
Speaker 2: the meat packing plants, and telephone companies of Chihuahua. Cool

836
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 2: so crony state. Right, So the PLM is like, all right,

837
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 2: we're going to pad Juaha, I'm free. But they're already

838
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 2: past their prime at this point nineteen oh eight. They

839
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 2: don't recover from it. Hundreds or thousands of them have

840
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 2: been murdered already. Their leadership or anti leadership or whatever

841
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 2: was still in exile. Macgone never comes to the front.

842
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 2: He stays in the US, coordinating and writing. I don't

843
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 2: think this was cowardice, because nothing he can do is safe, right,

844
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 2: But I don't know. The best I read was basically

845
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 2: people were like, he didn't fancy himself a general or

846
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 2: like a revolutionary leader, right, But a lot of people

847
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 2: are like, if he had showed up, the people who

848
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: are following his ideas would have probably probably more people

849
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 2: would have fought whatever. Maybe if he had led it

850
00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 2: all at all, would have gone horribly bad because he's

851
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 2: not fucking general. The PLM march on Shiuawa. They're coming

852
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 2: from Texas. Their military leader at this point is a

853
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 2: guy named Guierto who had been writing for Regeneracy on

854
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 2: as far as, and he's might be the actual source

855
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 2: of the quote it's better to die in your feet

856
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 2: than live on your knees. It gets attributed to Zapata,

857
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 2: but Guierto wrote an essay under that name before Sapata

858
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: even really came on the scene. Later, FDR uses this

859
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: quote it might just come from an ancient Greek anyway.

860
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 2: I really have always liked this quote. So that's why

861
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,399
Speaker 2: I'm like, got really excited about It's a great quote,

862
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 2: kying to source it one time Gietto when when US

863
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,280
Speaker 2: cops tried to arrest him, he escaped out his bedroom

864
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 2: window on a rope made out of sheets tied together.

865
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 2: And I love how much weird fucking wacky shit actually happens.

866
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 3: In history, some cartoon shit.

867
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: I love it.

868
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, So they invade, they commandeer trains, they blow up bridges,

869
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 2: they recruit soldiers as they go. They go and they

870
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 2: liberate towns. The residents join their cause. When I say invade,

871
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 2: it's like worth pointing out that it's like the people

872
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 2: who live in how we're happy about this? The only

873
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: people who are unhappy about other people control it right in.

874
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 2: The Federal Army counter attacks and they drive the PLM

875
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 2: out and Guerto is killed. He dies on his feet

876
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 2: rather than living on his knees. I really liked him.

877
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 2: The PLM failed, so then they did the last militant

878
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 2: thing they did. They tried to take over Baja California.

879
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 2: They picked it because it's sparsely populated and almost all

880
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 2: the industry was owned by foreign assholes. The goal was

881
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 2: to turn it into a libertarian, socialist region with equal

882
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: access to the means of production, redistribute all the land

883
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 2: of the peasants, all that good stuff. Over the course

884
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,240
Speaker 2: of four months, the Mexican anarchists, alongside the Tarahuma people,

885
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 2: Italian and Spanish anarchists, some soldiers of fortune who turn

886
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 2: out to be really shitty, like just bad people, and

887
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,439
Speaker 2: comrades from the IWW in the US who don't suck.

888
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 2: They take control first of MEXICALI Los Agadonas to Caste

889
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 2: and Tijuana one after the other, and they institute libertarian

890
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 2: socialism and they're like to each according to their ability,

891
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 2: from each according to their ability, to each according to need.

892
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 2: But they're defeated. And they're defeated because at this point

893
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 2: Madero has taken over, Like Madero wins Ouse Dias. And

894
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 2: one of the first things that Madero does is he

895
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 2: puts down the PLM, and he's like, I can't take

896
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 2: my revolutionary army, my usual the one that just won

897
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 2: me the revolution, because they like the PLM and if

898
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 2: I take them, they'll probably all switch sides on me.

899
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 2: So instead he uses the federal troops, like the army

900
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 2: he just beat. He takes them. He marches up to

901
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 2: Baja California, and he puts down the rebellious workers in

902
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 2: Baja California who are trying to live free. He's supported

903
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 2: by the US government when he does this, And this

904
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 2: is like one of the most common tropes I ever

905
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,760
Speaker 2: run across in history. A bunch of like actually radical

906
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 2: folks and anarchists and peasants and workers run to the

907
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 2: front lines and start the revolution. Then more moderate forces

908
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 2: conspire with literally theirs sensible enemy to put them down,

909
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 2: and they use the same excuse that they always use.

910
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 2: They call the PLM bandits. This is why I don't

911
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 2: like Madero. This is why mcgon doesn't like Madero. Madero

912
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 2: goes on. The recuperation of the of the PLM starts immediately.

913
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 2: Madero goes on to claim that he was working outside

914
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 2: with sorry that he was working with the PLM. At

915
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 2: one point he spreads a rumor that Magon is his

916
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 2: vice president. And he does this, it wins over a

917
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 2: ton of the PLM fighters who come and join his armies. Right,

918
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 2: and this is where having weighted to show your hand

919
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 2: about being a radical kind of fucks Magon and the

920
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 2: maganeseism the PLM over. Because he had waited so long

921
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 2: to make it clear the difference between the PLM and

922
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 2: the moderates, people had no reason to doubt Madero. When

923
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 2: Madero is like, oh, no, they're with us, because they

924
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 2: don't have a way of knowing that they just all

925
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 2: got murdered by Madero. Yeah, the moderate sides to the US.

926
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 2: This is the kind of the sad part of the

927
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 2: story where it all goes to shit. That's always happens

928
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 2: on cool people who did cool stuff. Every story is

929
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 2: a tragedy if you don't know when to stop telling it.

930
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 2: The moderate part of the US Labor Movement they take

931
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 2: Madero's side in the split. Mother Jones calls mcgonn a

932
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 2: fanatic and drops her support because he won't play nice

933
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 2: with Madero. And she's right that he was a zealot. Right,

934
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,439
Speaker 2: and at this point he is casting aside everyone who

935
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,720
Speaker 2: disagrees with him. He is moody as fuck. He demands

936
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 2: that he gets his way. The revolution slips away from him,

937
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 2: and he lashes out at friend after friend, and he

938
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 2: pushes them away at one point. I think after this

939
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 2: he ends up even pushing away his remaining brothers. Were

940
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 2: both of his brothers. It's probably for the best that

941
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 2: he was a zealot for an anti authoritarian cause, because

942
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 2: that kind of zelotry cannot just negatively impact a movement.

943
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 2: His did has absolutely negatively impacted the movement, but it

944
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 2: can also cause people with power to kill everyone they

945
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 2: disagree with, and he never did that. He cast people aside,

946
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 2: but he did not do what almost every other revolutionary

947
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 2: leader does at this stage. Right, only the syndicalist IWW

948
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 2: and the anarchists in the US labor movement and the

949
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 2: anarchists in Mexico support the PLM. Still most of them

950
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 2: are still pretty fucking mad at Macgone because he stayed

951
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 2: in the US the whole time, right, and he wasn't

952
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 2: like in the shit. The Mexican Revolution continued, But today's

953
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 2: the story of the maganest does. And to close up

954
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 2: on Magone himself, he was arrested again, then he was

955
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 2: set free, then he was arrested again once when he

956
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 2: was out. The sort of revolutionary government in Mexico because

957
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 2: like Madero gets killed and then someone else comes in power,

958
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 2: and someone comes in power whatever, fucking the sort of

959
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 2: revolutionary government in Mexico was like, look, you did a lot.

960
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 2: Do you want a pension? You can come back to

961
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,439
Speaker 2: Mexico and will take care of you. Mcgonne is too

962
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 2: fucking stubborn or maybe two principal depends on you look

963
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,280
Speaker 2: at it. His quote is thanks, but no, all money

964
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 2: the state has was stolen from the workers. He says

965
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 2: that the money will only burn my hands and fill

966
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 2: my heart with remorse.

967
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 3: Okay, good point.

968
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he gets a few years of peace. He

969
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 2: and his wife and his daughter as well as his

970
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 2: brother Enrique, and a bunch of other anarchists and several

971
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 2: other families. They buy like five or six acres in

972
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 2: Los Angeles and they farm, and they're like poor ast shit.

973
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 2: They scrape together enough money for like a shitty printing press.

974
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 2: They put regeneracy on back in but there's like no

975
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 2: one buying it anymore. PLM's fucking over. But he he

976
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 2: writes plays, He writes children's stories, He travels around speaking

977
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 2: about the Mexican Revolution and anarchism. He writes articles to

978
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 2: crying the treatment of Mexican Americans at the border. He

979
00:52:55,960 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 2: also prophetically warns that without internationalist revolution, USND is going

980
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,720
Speaker 2: to move to Mexico, destroy the economy in Mexico, forcing

981
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 2: immigrants from Mexico into the US.

982
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 3: Hit that one on the head.

983
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and soon enough he goes back to prison again.

984
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 2: This time, he goes back to prison for suggesting that

985
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 2: workers should refuse to fight the First World War. He's

986
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 2: caught up in the first Red Scare. Basically in the

987
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:25,399
Speaker 2: United States. The US was like, look, if you say

988
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 2: you're sorry, will pardon you. But this is fucking magone.

989
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 2: His mother died without him there because she refused to

990
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 2: ask him to say he was sorry. He is sick

991
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 2: as shit with diabetes. He's like near blind, and he writes,

992
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 2: and this is one of the last things he writes, repentance.

993
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 2: I have not exploited the sweat, anguish, fatigue, and labor

994
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 2: of others. I have not oppressed a single soul. I

995
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 2: have nothing to repent for. My life has been lived

996
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 2: without my having any wealth, power or glory, when I

997
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 2: could have gotten these three things very easily. But I

998
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 2: do not regret it. Wealth power and glory are only

999
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 2: one by trampling others' rights. My conscience is at peace,

1000
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 2: for it knows that under my convict's garb beats an

1001
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 2: honest heart. He fucking goes hard. He uh. He was

1002
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 2: found dead in his cell on November twentieth, nineteen twenty two,

1003
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 2: in Fort Leavenworth Prison in Kansas, at forty eight years old.

1004
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 2: He was very sick. Most of the anarchists at the

1005
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 2: time believe he was murdered. One of his friends in

1006
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 2: the prison heard a struggle and there were bruises around

1007
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 2: his neck. One PLM supporter in prison said that a

1008
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 2: guard had killed Magon, and then the person who said

1009
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 2: that was killed by seven guards. So he was either

1010
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:43,280
Speaker 2: murdered by a guard or he was murdered by medical neglect.

1011
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 2: Either way, that.

1012
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 3: Might be what I read in the Britannica.

1013
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you.

1014
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 3: Didn't want to spoil it.

1015
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:55,760
Speaker 2: Uh huh. His wife, Maria lives another twenty six years.

1016
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 2: She organized peasants to her last days. She dies in

1017
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,879
Speaker 2: poverty because she who refused a pension in her dead

1018
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 2: husband's name. Mexico's like, Yo, you were mcgon's wife, you

1019
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:12,240
Speaker 2: want a pension. She's like, she wasn't the like stuck

1020
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 2: with She wasn't like stuck with him. She was with him.

1021
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 2: You know. She was of the same sort as him,

1022
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 2: as far as I can tell. Yeah, cloth and yeah.

1023
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 2: Now mcgon is remembered. He get remembered by the new

1024
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 2: government as the forebearer of the revolution, which he maybe

1025
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 2: would have hated. But actually it's his brother Enrique who

1026
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 2: does a lot of the fighting to make sure that

1027
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 2: his memory and the influence he had and the legacy

1028
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 2: of the PLM stays alive. In nineteen twenty, the tenant

1029
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:46,879
Speaker 2: farmer movement in Veracruz started putting on mcgon's plays. Maganesta's

1030
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 2: stayed involved in social struggle right. They were involved in

1031
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 2: the Campesino movement. They added revolutionary syndicalism to the mix

1032
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 2: and the workers movement. In nineteen thirty seven, regeneracy On

1033
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 2: went back into production, and soon it was by Federacian

1034
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 2: Anarchista Mexicana. The ideas and action informed not just the

1035
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 2: anarchist movement, but all the leftist and peasant movements in Mexico. Notably,

1036
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 2: it informed the Zapatistas, the indigenous uprising in Chiapas, who

1037
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 2: I will cover one of these days. It's been on

1038
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 2: top of the list since the beginning, but I just

1039
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 2: want to do it right. One of the towns in

1040
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:24,359
Speaker 2: their territory, I think no, actually, I think there's more

1041
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 2: than one town. There's a town in Chiapas I believe

1042
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 2: called Ricardo Flores Magon. I believe that the town that

1043
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 2: he was born in. I didn't write this in the scripts.

1044
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 2: I don't remember all of it. They changed the name

1045
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 2: from like something something to something Floresmagon and Ricardo Floris

1046
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 2: Macgon's great great nephew runs a museum dedicated to the

1047
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:52,320
Speaker 2: Maganestas in Mexico City. And while they're a little bit buried,

1048
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 2: they'll never be completely Yeah, that's the Magan that.

1049
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 3: Wasn't, in fact a cool person who did cool stuff.

1050
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1051
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got so worried when, like, it's always like

1052
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 2: halfway into the research that I find out someone was

1053
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 2: like a real fucking grouch, right, And I'm like, like,

1054
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 2: I was like three quarters the way through one of

1055
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 2: the books I read about this before they were like,

1056
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 2: oh and his wife Maria, And I'm like, the fuck's

1057
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 2: that didn't come up earlier? That's not worth telling me about.

1058
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 2: You know.

1059
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 3: You're like, so, what's his relationship to his life?

1060
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: Right?

1061
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 2: And like, you know, and and I don't know all

1062
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 2: of it, right, but that's my best inference is that

1063
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 2: he was a grouch. He pushed people away, he was

1064
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 2: a man, he was he fucking tried, and he didn't

1065
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 2: turn into the kinds of pieces of shit that a

1066
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 2: lot of people do. And I can't even imagine what

1067
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 2: it's like to just like put everything into this and

1068
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 2: then just see it work but not Yeah, you know,

1069
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 2: but for a lot of the people who were involved

1070
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 2: in the moment, it did work. You know, it didn't

1071
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 2: work by his standards, but it did work by a

1072
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Speaker 2: lot of people's standards. Yeah, that's what I got.

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Speaker 1: Cool.

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Speaker 3: It's a great story. Thanks, thanks Margaret.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if people want to hear you tell stories about

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Speaker 2: the current mess that is the right wing media sphere,

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Speaker 2: how can they do it?

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Speaker 3: Yes, you can find me on TikTok at kat m Aboo.

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Speaker 3: Also subscribe to my YouTube, which is the same one

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Speaker 3: that I've got to mention last episode. You can literally

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Speaker 3: just look me up on the Internet and you can

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Speaker 3: find me on Twitter, threads, blue Sky. There are too

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Speaker 3: many platforms nowadays. I have like a link tree on

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Speaker 3: my profile. But yeah, I talk about right wing media

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Speaker 3: and all those idiots.

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Speaker 2: Yay, Hey, I have a substack. You should. I like

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Speaker 2: keep saying I'm quitting Twitter, and I'm like everyone who

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00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 2: says it, it's like the annoying person who doesn't leave

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Speaker 2: the party. It's like, I'm gonna leave, go down with

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Speaker 2: the ship of Twitter. I'm not sure. I just don't

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Speaker 2: like social media, even though I do it. I'm on

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Speaker 2: it all the time, and so I'm like, I almost

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Speaker 2: don't want to start another one because I'm just like,

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Speaker 2: but I don't lose guy's fun.

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Speaker 3: I'll give you an infte code if you grab one yet.

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Speaker 2: I am I think?

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Speaker 1: Are you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually grabbed Margaret as a user name.

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Speaker 1: That's fucking cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it doesn't feel as like elite because there's

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Speaker 2: actually it's like Margaret dot b K s K.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And also there's no all right, I'm following great, there's

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Speaker 3: no video if they don't even have em betting and yeah,

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Speaker 3: all these places are just doing it like half ass,

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Speaker 3: so yeah, yeah, what.

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Speaker 2: Are they thinking? But yeah, I'm trying to write more

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Speaker 2: on substack. And you can also follow Sophie around town. No, no,

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Speaker 2: don't do that.

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Speaker 1: If you do that, I'm a dog will fuck you.

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I will.

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Speaker 3: Follow iron dot Dragon at Blue sky Dot.

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Speaker 1: Exactly. Did you catch that? If you didn't, too fucking bad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, I want to plug our our lat like I

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Speaker 1: don't know. Whenever you're listening to this. We did a

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Speaker 1: really interesting episode on Behind the Bastards with Sarah Marshall

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Speaker 1: that was all about the kidnapping craze and conspiracies around that,

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Speaker 1: and Robert Evans did a really good article to go

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Speaker 1: along with it on his sub stack shatters oone. So

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Speaker 1: I want to plug that.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm listening to while walking the dog. Yes,

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Speaker 2: today and tomorrow. Oh, possibly dinner tonight. That's that seems good.

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Speaker 3: I was listening to Walking about Town. It's great.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Wow, you two can be obsessed with cool

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