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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of I Saw What

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Speaker 1: You Did.

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Speaker 2: My name is Milly to Jericho.

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Speaker 3: I'm Danielle Anderson, and.

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Speaker 1: I started the podcast and I screwed it up.

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Speaker 2: People.

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Speaker 1: This is our second take, because apparently when I said

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Speaker 1: hey everybody, I went hey ga.

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Speaker 2: Heyka ah. What does that even mean?

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Speaker 3: It's like short for hey girl, hey go.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like something that they have painted on the

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Speaker 1: wall at the entrance of IKEA that.

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Speaker 2: Tells you, like all of this stuff in the different languages. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: how are you?

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm fine, I'm fine. How are you today? Good?

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Speaker 2: I gotta tell you? Loving those guns.

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Speaker 3: So we're we're recording in closets, like, well, you're in

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Speaker 3: a nice office. You're a beautiful decorated photos hanging on

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Speaker 3: the wall office.

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Speaker 2: I am in no furniture though, so it's kind of creepy, but.

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Speaker 4: It still looks incredible.

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Speaker 3: I am in an actual sweat box. Like I don't

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Speaker 3: even have to build a sauna in my house because

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Speaker 3: there's no air conditioning in this house.

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Speaker 4: So every room is a sauna.

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Speaker 3: So I'm in the closet where the bats are right

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Speaker 3: above me, like the attic entrances in this closet and

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Speaker 3: it is just and it's carpeted, and it is just

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Speaker 3: like a fucking sweatbox. And if you don't know, we

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Speaker 3: can't have fans or anything on while we're recording, obviously,

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Speaker 3: because it would make sounds in the mic. So the

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Speaker 3: first person to develop a soundless fan is getting all

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Speaker 3: of my money for the rest of my life.

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Speaker 4: I have got my sleeves rolled up.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I am already just my I'm sweating and my

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Speaker 3: glasses are fogging up like Elijah Wood and Sin City.

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Speaker 3: You can't even see my eyeballs. Like the fog from

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Speaker 3: my damp skin is just making my glasses unbearable. They're

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Speaker 3: slipping every I'm just taking them off. I'm taking them off.

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Speaker 2: Listen. Bats are blind? Aren't bats blind? I believe?

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Speaker 1: So why do I always bring up animals like every

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Speaker 1: episode and then I don't know a goddamn thing about them.

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Speaker 1: I need to stop doing that. That's a bad That's.

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Speaker 4: How we learn, it's how we learn.

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Speaker 3: You think I knew a goddamn thing about ocelots before

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Speaker 3: we brought them up on the show.

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Speaker 1: I mean I've questioned groundhog like worth. I'm like, what

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Speaker 1: are groundhogs worth, I've we've talked about Oslot's bats.

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Speaker 2: We get things confused. Oh completely.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't help that I live in like the fucking

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Speaker 3: wilds of the country in New York. Like every day

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Speaker 3: there's a different animal that pops up in my life.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, well, I mean that's I mean, listen, now

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Speaker 1: that Chaunty and his family have been relocated, you've got

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Speaker 1: like a whole coterie. Is that the vocab word. You've

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Speaker 1: got an entire spread of animals. It's like wild kingdom

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Speaker 1: over there. Well, what I was really getting to though,

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Speaker 1: by complimenting your guns, even though the whole reason why

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Speaker 1: the guns are out is because the sun is out in.

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Speaker 2: Your closet right now, is that you your tattoos are showing.

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Speaker 1: And I know you have tattoos, but like I hardly

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Speaker 1: we don't see them often on the on the podcast

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Speaker 1: when we're recording because we have shirts on normally.

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Speaker 4: And now I'm topless.

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Speaker 3: Also ps guys, the first topless podcast and the first

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Speaker 3: topless at least sexy. It's just like, oh yeah, her

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Speaker 3: those fucking boobs.

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Speaker 2: That is okay.

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Speaker 1: Listen, our new tagline is the first topless podcast. Now,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't even matter if we actually don't get topless,

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Speaker 1: nobody will know what.

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Speaker 4: So.

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Speaker 1: But here's the thing about tattoos. So it's not as

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Speaker 1: if I forget that you have tattoos. But obviously when

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Speaker 1: you're wearing your shirt like you're in the E Street

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Speaker 1: Band in the eighties, I'm like, Oh, she has tattoos.

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Speaker 2: They're so awesome.

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Speaker 3: I feel like, thank you. I feel like people are

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Speaker 3: gonna want us to post pictures now so they can

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Speaker 3: get a sense of what we're talking about, and it's

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Speaker 3: not happening because this is like if we post a photo,

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Speaker 3: I feel like Annalise and Alexis will sue us, Like

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Speaker 3: they'll go to write to HR and be like, see,

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Speaker 3: we told you, this is what we have to deal

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Speaker 1: They wanted the first topless podcast, and we refused, how

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Speaker 1: long have you had tattoos?

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Speaker 3: I got my first tattoo when I was sixteenin in

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Speaker 3: that tattoo was basically like a proto dog the bounty hunter,

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Speaker 3: into getting a tattoo that I don't even know that

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Speaker 3: I wanted. I knew I wanted one, but he was like,

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Speaker 3: I originally thought I was going to get a needle

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Speaker 3: I'll just get this one then, which not the way

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Speaker 3: you get your first tattoo, or it is exactly the

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Speaker 3: way you get your first tattoo. But then when I

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Speaker 3: went back to college when I was thirty, one of

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Speaker 3: the first things I did with my student.

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Speaker 4: Loan was get a half sleeve.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we talked about the foolishness on our latest Bonus episode.

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Speaker 1: We talked about the foolish ways we used to spend

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Speaker 1: our student loan money.

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Speaker 3: So I guess guess who's paying interest on that shit

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Speaker 3: to day? Guess who is didn't think about it, but

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Speaker 3: is genuinely never going to pay this tattoo. But I

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Speaker 3: you know, it's like this kind of I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I might post picture picture of it, but it's a

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Speaker 3: half sleeve and I added to it. It's actually two

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Speaker 3: tattoos that I will eventually connect with the background, but

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Speaker 3: the bottom part was an addition when I moved back

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Speaker 3: pair of boxing gloves flanking a banner that says eat Lightning,

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Speaker 3: crap thunder because it is my favorite line from.

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Speaker 2: Rocky Oh Man, I love that and it was.

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Speaker 4: One of my favorite movies growing up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think we have a Rocky connection to

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Speaker 3: I think we like oh oh oh, I think we do.

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Speaker 3: But you you don't have any tattoos, no, ma'am. As

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Speaker 1: I have no idea, to be honest, because everyone I

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Speaker 3: And is it like you just never wanted one or

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Speaker 3: you just couldn't figure out what you want? Because it

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Speaker 3: it just that you're like, I don't want to do that. No,

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Speaker 1: I think it's a combo platter of a couple things. One.

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Speaker 1: I think it's money, Like for some reason, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, tattoos are super expensive. But that leads

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Speaker 1: to my second reason, which is that I think it

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Speaker 1: I don't even know. I feel like they would be

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Speaker 2: Having a tattoo, So it's nice.

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Speaker 3: Is what I want to talk about. So you're afraid

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Speaker 3: you you were worried that your parents would be mad

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Speaker 3: at you forgetting one, but then your mom got one

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Speaker 3: later in life too, right, she didn't get one here

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Speaker 2: No, no, she got one in her mid fifties.

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Speaker 3: Oh, tell me about this tattoo, and I know she listens.

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Speaker 3: So hello, missus a Chericho, Hi, I love you, mom.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to tell them about your tattoo. Which she

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Speaker 1: had done by a ex marine Oh what who opened

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Speaker 1: to have her gift shop in Florida, and he gave

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Speaker 1: her a tiny little dolphin that looks like it's coming

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Speaker 2: It's like a I don't know what it's doing.

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Speaker 1: I do mention to her is that it looks like

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Speaker 2: Maybe it was a quickie job. I don't really know, Mom,

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Speaker 1: But it looked like right out the gate, it looked

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Speaker 1: that's kind of tight, Like it didn't have that like.

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Speaker 2: You know, new tattoo.

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Speaker 1: Look it looked bad from the jump, So I think

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Speaker 4: Impressive in it. Where on her body is this tattoo?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's on her ankle. Where else do

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Speaker 2: you think it could be? Where can a dolphin tattoo

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Speaker 2: Lower back? Or ankle.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely obsessed with the fact that your mom got a

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Speaker 3: tattoo in a shopping mall by a marine of a dolphin.

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Speaker 3: Like every step of this escalates into me loving it

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Speaker 1: It's the trashiest little package she could ever unwrap. It's

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Speaker 1: great on her. I mean she just kind of looked

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Speaker 1: like she's had it since she was eighteen, even though

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Speaker 1: I think that's very impressive. And the guy is gone.

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Speaker 1: No idea where the guy went. I think he his

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Speaker 1: shop was around for like two months and then he split.

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Speaker 1: So that's an extra bit of magic for you guys

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Speaker 1: in that story. But yeah, I never had I never

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Speaker 1: got one. So but do you think you would get one?

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Speaker 3: Now? If now that you know that your mom is

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Speaker 3: not only down with tattoos but down with like rough tattoos,

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Speaker 3: would you get one?

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Speaker 1: See it's funny because now in my in my later years,

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Speaker 1: is that that sounds awful?

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Speaker 3: In my later years not accurate.

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Speaker 1: No, in my mid years, in my mids, I'm in

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Speaker 1: my mids, I actually do flirt with the idea of

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Speaker 1: actually getting one, but up until now.

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Speaker 2: Because here's I think.

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Speaker 1: The third reason why I haven't gotten one is because

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Speaker 1: when I think about tattoos, I'm like, do I like

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Speaker 1: anything enough to get a tattoo?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 1: Because when I really look myself in the mirror, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: do I actually really really commit to the stuff that

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Speaker 1: I like? Like, if I had gotten a tattoo when

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Speaker 3: It's like do I like anything enough? Or in my case,

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Speaker 1: I had this old friend a million years ago who

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Speaker 3: here's the other beautiful thing you can put it on

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know if I get if I did get

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Speaker 3: That is one of the most photogenic dogs I've ever

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Speaker 1: I was like, what if I got a tattoo, I

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Speaker 3: See, whether you know it or not, you're ready for

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Speaker 3: And then you're in the gym and you're fucking bob

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Speaker 4: Nobody's fucking with you.

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Speaker 3: They're like, we don't know what this shit is about,

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Speaker 3: That's what you totally should you think the fact that

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: The suspect had a half biscuit. What is that?

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Speaker 1: What is that snow? I don't know, we don't know

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Speaker 3: You can level it up. Throw the Popeye's logo in

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Speaker 3: be like, look, I got my dog, Popeye's logo, biscuit.

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Speaker 3: Who's really who's dedicated to this franchise? Now they might

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Speaker 2: What if I just got the store tattooed? What if

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Speaker 2: Let's just do the stupidest shit. Let's just really go

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Speaker 3: You know what I love about this is this You

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Speaker 3: that bus, what's those because they'll get out, they'll be saved. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they'll be saved. So the owner will go to jail.

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Speaker 3: And then one of those kids will grow up to

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Speaker 3: experience being kidnapped by the Popeyes owner. Uh huh, and

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Speaker 3: then you tattoo their band lyrics right underneath it. Boom

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Speaker 3: full narrative. What's a Oh my god, this is the

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Speaker 2: I don't say.

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Speaker 1: I love this multi generational tattoo idea that just evolves

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Speaker 2: That has this angered in a Popeye's Crime?

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Speaker 3: So can we call this episode angered in a Popeyes Crime?

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Speaker 1: You come up with the best episode titles ever, Let's

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Speaker 2: You say them.

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Speaker 3: All I do is point it out. Oh beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Well, how are we going to tie the tattoo conversation

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Speaker 3: I feel like, let's see, like, let's see we can

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Speaker 3: do it. So I feel like, because you're going first

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Speaker 3: what better time to get a tattoo than when you

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm so foreboding. Well, let's talk about

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Speaker 1: the theme, shall we?

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Speaker 4: We definitely should.

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Speaker 2: I will say that this time.

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Speaker 1: I feel like we wanted to talk about the movies,

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Speaker 1: in a theme?

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Speaker 2: I think that's how it worked.

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Speaker 3: That's how it worked, and you came up with a theme.

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Speaker 2: Which is the theme is.

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Speaker 1: Movies about sports, but not really.

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Speaker 3: With the question mark. With the question mark, I.

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Speaker 1: Think there's the lip season there, like movies about sports

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Speaker 2: I think that is the actual legal theme names.

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Speaker 3: The government name of this pot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we had different reasons I think for wanting

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Speaker 1: sports movies. You've got a sports movie tattooed on your arm, right,

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Speaker 2: The sport in a weird way, right.

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Speaker 3: Oh, completely, Because I originally thought like I was like, oh,

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Speaker 3: But these two, in particular, these movies are sports are

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, at all.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, these were kind of some esoteric choices that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're both seventies films, which I think is

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Speaker 4: We're gonna get into it.

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Speaker 1: Let's jam let's fucking go all right, I'm going first,

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Speaker 1: Oh huh, all right, been.

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Speaker 2: Up since six thirty in the morning. It's gonna be great.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's do it, all right, So My movie for

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Speaker 1: John Houston, and it's called Fat City.

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Speaker 3: Do you know what say?

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Speaker 2: You're the only son of a bitch?

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Speaker 1: Was shit in this place?

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Speaker 3: I appreciate that, I mean, because there is something I

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Speaker 2: Thank you too.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And we got the motorcycle Rev. Yes, the fucking

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Speaker 3: Yo, This movie fucked me the fuck up.

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Speaker 4: I'll just say that I know.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I will tell tell everybody out there right

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Speaker 1: now now. If you thought that our theme for this

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Speaker 1: of right, but also fucking wrong.

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Speaker 2: Sorry.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's true that he sings the opening song to

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Speaker 2: The theme is not about Chris Krossofterson, so put that

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Speaker 3: He is the bleak soundtrack for this movie.

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Speaker 1: So right off the bat, I want to talk a

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Speaker 1: He directed this film Angelica's father. Yeah, we've talked about

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Speaker 1: Angelica Houston before this podcast.

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Speaker 3: Dynastic, dynastily of rats, of rat actors in the Graveyard shoots.

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Speaker 1: The Great Rats of Graveyard Shift. So John Houston, sorry

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Speaker 1: about it. He made the most famous classic movies of all.

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Speaker 2: Time, some of them anyway.

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Speaker 1: He made the Maltese Falcon Hello, the Treasure of the

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Speaker 3: Don't every granddad from here to I can't even pick

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Speaker 2: Yes, and me, and really.

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Speaker 1: And me and all the grandpas are like, get out

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00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 1: of here, woman.

446
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 3: We're not talking about.

447
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:35,919
Speaker 2: How hot this guy is.

448
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 3: Can't you see he's doing some important ship.

449
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 4: We're talking about a heist in the Pacific.

450
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 2: I mean. John Houston made The African Queen, the Misfits.

451
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 3: Hello.

452
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 2: These are iconic classic films, right.

453
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: And the thing about John Houston is that a big

454
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 1: theme of his films is what a lot of people

455
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 1: have called the Impossible Quest, or like.

456
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 2: The Doomed Journey.

457
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 1: Right, And he does a lot of movies about underdogs

458
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 1: and losers, probably because of the Doomed journey thing, wouldn't

459
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: you say? But I think that all of this informs

460
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: Fat City, which of course I'll get into shortly. But

461
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:26,199
Speaker 1: starring in this film is Stacy Keach, one of my

462
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 1: all time favorite actors of the seventies.

463
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 2: In fact, he's still around.

464
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 1: He's still working because he does the voiceover for American

465
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 1: Greed on CNBC.

466
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,919
Speaker 4: Yes, oh snap right.

467
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 2: It's basically the fight.

468
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: Yes, it's basically if you haven't seen it, it's basically

469
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 1: financial true crime for those who celebrate tonight, the secrets

470
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 1: of a man who sacrifices his loved ones for money.

471
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 2: He makes it. He just gives it that extra like

472
00:24:58,680 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 2: fuck you, Yeah, he's got it.

473
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 1: It's like a little keyed up and it's Stacy Keats,

474
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,360
Speaker 1: which I think is great, and I personally think he's

475
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: such a great actor, and he's just someone who I

476
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: think is just completely underrated, which means it is my

477
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: ministry to tell people how great he is.

478
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 2: Of course, and ask me.

479
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 1: About my crush on seventy Stacy Keach, because I'll.

480
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,959
Speaker 4: Tell you a do we even have to ask?

481
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 3: Or are we just going to get the business anyway?

482
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: Listen, I gotta tell you one time like a while ago,

483
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: somebody on Twitter snitch tagged him as I was pontificating

484
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 1: on his seventies hotness and like a tweet and I'm

485
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: sure his grandson or whoever runs his Twitter account like

486
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,439
Speaker 1: smash that like button to make a bitter middle aged

487
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 1: woman feel good. But I just wanted to say I

488
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Whoever did that, I appreciated it. But I mean,

489
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: like the last time somebody snitch tagged it worked out.

490
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: We got an email from dbe Sweetey, but it was

491
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 1: just the thing where it was like, the fuck are

492
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 1: you gonna snitch tag on me?

493
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 3: This guy's like eighty two years old. He genuinely does

494
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:11,479
Speaker 3: not care about what anyone thinks anymore. He's done casing.

495
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: Oh, this random stranger of the Internet thought I was

496
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: hot fifty years ago.

497
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 2: Thanks for nothing.

498
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 3: Get in line. Everyone did. Get in line.

499
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: But also starting in Fat City is the legend. Susan

500
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 1: Trell unbelievable in her own right. She was in some

501
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: of the best weirdest films ever. Just cult movie royalty

502
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: for me, honestly, I mean, she's such a great actress.

503
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: She was nominated for a Best Supporting Actress Oscar for

504
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: Fat City, which is amazing. I went to her house

505
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 1: in Pasadena when she was living there. I was probably

506
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: about ten years ago, and she lived in one of

507
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 1: those like bungalow courts, which are like the greatest ever.

508
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 1: I wish they had them here in Atlanta. But it

509
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 1: was the best day of my life. She was so fun.

510
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 3: How did this happen?

511
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: She did art and there was a giant painting she

512
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: did of like Lee Marvin.

513
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 2: I mean, I just was like, she's the best.

514
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 3: She was the best.

515
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: She passed away not too long ago, but I love

516
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 1: her so much. She's so good in this movie. So

517
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: the setting though of Fat City, I think is really

518
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: important to talk about too, because it takes place in Stockton, California,

519
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: which I think is east of San Francisco.

520
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 2: And south of Sacramento.

521
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 1: I think a one sentenced synopsis of Fat City you ready,

522
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: I'm ready. A former professional boxer who desires a shot

523
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: at redemption keeps getting sidetracked bias, demons, and bad choices,

524
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: even when he's briefly inspired by a young boxing upstart.

525
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 4: He discovers that is incredible.

526
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: I actually worked on that took me like ten minutes.

527
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: Is to really refine it.

528
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 3: But I was gonna say my one sentence synopsis this week,

529
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 3: I was shrugs to funk. So I appreciate there's a

530
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 3: lot going on in these movies. So I thought you

531
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 3: did a great job with that.

532
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: So Fat City is mostly centered around Billy Tulley, who

533
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: is played by Stacy Keach. As I just said, and

534
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: in the in the film, it's understood that like a

535
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: year prior, he was a pro boxer, making money, happily married.

536
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: So now at the beginning of Fat City, he's out

537
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: of shape, living in like.

538
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,479
Speaker 2: A Saint Mark's hotel type place.

539
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,479
Speaker 1: He's broke, He's barely got enough money to support his

540
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: drinking habit, and his wife has left him, okay, and

541
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: he keeps getting fired from jobs. So he begins showing

542
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: up each morning near the farms where they hire day

543
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: laborers to come and like work in the fields. And

544
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: you know, he's just doing this to sort of bide

545
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: his time until he can like get back in the

546
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: ring and get his wife back and return.

547
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 2: To his former glory. Right.

548
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's kind of hard to visualize because he's

549
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: in a really bad place.

550
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 2: If you're watching him in the bars, if you're watching

551
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 2: him in the hotel.

552
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: You're like, Jesus, dude, all right, well you're gonna really

553
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: have to focus if you want to do all this stuff.

554
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 3: Okay, the first note I wrote about this movie is

555
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 3: he looks how America feels right now.

556
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 4: Yes, like he's just.

557
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 3: On the edge of just giving up.

558
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 6: Yes.

559
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 3: Oh, like the underwear is saggy. Yeah, like there is.

560
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 3: The elasticity has gone out of his life in every

561
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 3: possible way.

562
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, the underwear is strugs to funk.

563
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: But you know, he's like he's making these sort of

564
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: like half ass attempts though, to like get back into

565
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: the ring. So he shows at the gym one morning

566
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: and he sees this like really young boxer named Ernie

567
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: who's played by Jeff Bridges, and holy shit, Jeff Bridges,

568
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: he's so babyface and he's right off the heels of

569
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: The Last Picture Show and in Fat City.

570
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 2: He's just at the gym kind of messing around.

571
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: He's not even a real boxer, but he's like really athletic,

572
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: and he's really green, and he wants to kind of

573
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: just like you know, hang out and box a little bit.

574
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: And so Tully tries to spar with him and wouldn't

575
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: you know? He gets a cramp after like two minutes, right,

576
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: I mean obviously they're being like yo, I've been there,

577
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: no doubt, but like for him, he's kind of just humiliated, right,

578
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: And in spite of this, though, he tells Ernie like, hey, dude,

579
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: you're impressive. I know you think you're just messing around,

580
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: but you can actually be a boxer.

581
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 2: So why don't you.

582
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: Go talk to my old trainer Rubin and he can

583
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: train you, and I think you could be a good,

584
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: pretty good boxer. So after that, Tully goes to the

585
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: local dive bar to drink his troubles away, as he does,

586
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: and that night he gets talking to a couple of regulars,

587
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: a woman and her boyfriend at the bar.

588
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 2: The woman is named Oma, and she.

589
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: Is played by Susan trell As I just said, and

590
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: we have to talk about Oma.

591
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 3: All right now day long. First of all, I love

592
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 3: the only time I've ever heard Oma used in reference to,

593
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 3: like calling someone Oma is genuinely Grandma's. Yes, I've heard

594
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 3: people call their grandmother's Oma. Yes, yes, And I just

595
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 3: love that this like young, sloppy, drunk woman is named Oma.

596
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: Yes, it's definitely a contradiction in terms, because let me

597
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: just tell you Oma, she has been beaten.

598
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 3: Down by life.

599
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 2: Let's just say that.

600
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: She's at the bar with a plastic baby barette hanging

601
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: from her hair, like not like barely on her hair,

602
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: it's just like literally about to fall off. She's got

603
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: this like little polka dotted dress, it's like a share

604
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: from Mermaid's dress, and it's like halfway unzipped in the back.

605
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:22,479
Speaker 1: And she's sitting there with her boyfriend, and she's fucking

606
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: going telling anybody who will listen, including Tully, that she's

607
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: been like divorced, widowed. She's dated every race of man

608
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: on earth and has been disappointed by all.

609
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 3: Of them, specifically white men. She says white men are animals.

610
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: She says that I quote white men is the vermin

611
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,239
Speaker 2: of the earth. But she has these extreme.

612
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: Highs and lows, and you know, it's kind of a

613
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: little she's kind of a mess, not gonna lie. And

614
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: she's pounding cream sherries, which is like that makes my

615
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: stomach turn.

616
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 3: It makes my stomach hurt so bad.

617
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she drinks them like every night. I mean,

618
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: it's just God, I can't even imagine. But her boyfriend

619
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: Earl is sitting next to her kind of just watching

620
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: her unravel, like nightly, right, and he's a man of

621
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: few words, and he just like kind of lets her

622
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: have the floor, right, because what else can you do?

623
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: Is kind of his attitude, you know, because he can't

624
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: really like stop this train.

625
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 2: Right, And I just had to tell you.

626
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: Earle is played by Curtis Cokes, who was actually a

627
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: boxer himself, and he was like, he was the one

628
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: time world welterweight champion, So there's actual boxers in this

629
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: movie too, which I think is cool. So not long

630
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: after this scene, Earle ends up in jail, and I

631
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: think it's because he got into a fight with somebody

632
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: who had a problem with he and Olma being an

633
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: interracial couple.

634
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: Right.

635
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,959
Speaker 1: So Oma has a lot of guilt about this, And

636
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: of course she's at the bar again crying and drinking

637
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: and Tully shows up again to drink and they kind

638
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: of have a bond. They kind of just bond together,

639
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: like it's kind of in that way maybe when you

640
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: were younger, but it's kind of in that way that

641
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: you do when it's like you and there's somebody else

642
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: and you're the only people in the bar, and you're

643
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: both kind of like down and out or depressed, and.

644
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 2: Then you just end up living together for a while.

645
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 3: You know how you do?

646
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: You know how that works, right, because that's what happens

647
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: with Tolly and Oma, Like this truly.

648
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 3: Happens that fast where you're like I thought they were

649
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 3: just drinking in a bar, and now they are living

650
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 3: together and he's meeting a dinner.

651
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: It's it's like there, it's a very Charles Berkowski esque

652
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: situation between them, right, And he kind of tells her

653
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: over and over in his drunkenness, you can count on

654
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: me right down the line. It's like the thing he

655
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: says over and over again, and they just kind of

656
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: stumble out of the bar and then they're living together.

657
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 1: They're just like playing house together while Earl is in jail.

658
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 2: Right.

659
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: And the thing I noticed though, is that I feel

660
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: like Tully sort of me this or something like he's

661
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: he needs to be in some kind of relationship almost

662
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 1: to feel like he's accomplished something.

663
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, because the feeling I get to from from Omah,

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Speaker 3: or that I got from Omaha watching this, is that

665
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 3: she needs someone to take care of her in a

666
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 3: very real way, like there minimum like basic human necessities.

667
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 3: She needs someone to do that for her, and he

668
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 3: needs to feel like he can do that for her,

669
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 3: but he can't, and she also is not receptive enough to. Actually,

670
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 3: it's just a very delicate and strange relationship of need

671
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 3: and want that they're like not able to really fulfill

672
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 3: for each other.

673
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Speaker 1: Right, I agree, And look, I want to put this

674
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Speaker 1: in a historical context. I mean, this is nineteen seventy

675
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: two when this movie came out, and we talked about

676
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: this in the Deliverance episode, sort of this like re

677
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: examination of masculinity within this larger era of women's liberation,

678
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: gay liberation, civil rights, what have you. Because the thing

679
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: about Tully and the thing about Fat City really is

680
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: that this entire movie is filled with men who are

681
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: kind of a drift or they're underachieving, past their prime,

682
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: desperate for work, wives have left them. It's kind of like,

683
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: these are the kind of men in this film, right,

684
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 1: And there's many scenes of Tully when he goes into

685
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: the fields and the people he's working with, they're old men,

686
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,720
Speaker 1: people of color, the poor.

687
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,280
Speaker 2: These are the people of this town.

688
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: And this is what this movie is about, ultimately, and

689
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Speaker 1: it's not a surprise to me that this movie would

690
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 1: exist in this moment in nineteen seventy two, and also

691
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: that John Houston would make this movie because this movie

692
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: is about failed quest and doom journeys and whatnot.

693
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Speaker 3: You know, absolutely, and the setting of it being in

694
00:36:54,760 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 3: stocked In for me also really drives home in that

695
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 3: sports movie, but not really kind of way how not

696
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 3: everyone makes it like this is a very you know,

697
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 3: middle of the road kind of boxing circuit. Like they're

698
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 3: not going to Atlantic City, they're not going to Vegas,

699
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 3: you know, those those those times where anyone does get

700
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 3: a shot at that it's like a singular instance of

701
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 3: their life.

702
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, you know, I'm like.

703
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 3: This is the rest of their life is like day

704
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 3: laboring and drinking and you know, kind of reliving glory

705
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 3: days as soon as something happens.

706
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the boxing is there's obviously boxing in the film,

707
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: but it's more about like who the boxers are and

708
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: what this like division or this circuit is made up of,

709
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: because like you said, there is no fucking glamour here, right.

710
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: These are people who are just trying to scrap together money.

711
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 1: And I mean, honestly, these two trainers, Rubin and Babe,

712
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: who are the best part of the movie if you

713
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: ask me, like the two of them. Yes, I mean

714
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:09,439
Speaker 1: the actor that plays Babe was an actual boxer himself too,

715
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: which I think is cool. But it's like, these are

716
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: these trainers that are just trying to scrap together money.

717
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: Everybody's car pooling to the fucking event that's being booked

718
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: by this guy who owns a bowling alley.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's no glamour, like I said.

720
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: And even the people who are participating in the sport

721
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: and winning quote unquote, it's not like they're getting big paydays.

722
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: I mean, in fact, a lot of them are injured.

723
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: They don't win all the time. This isn't that sort

724
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Speaker 1: of like huge, big like Redemptive Sports movie where it's

725
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,479
Speaker 1: like this guy's winning every game, he's incredible, he can't

726
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: be stopped, and now he's in Vegas, now he's fighting

727
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 1: a vander Holyfield or whatever. No, this is like guys

728
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: who are winning as much as they're losing. They have

729
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: to pass around the same fucking pair of boxing shorts

730
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: to fight in.

731
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 3: You know, Yes, it's bleak, and there are each other's

732
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 3: meal tickets. Like these coaches are looking to make it

733
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 3: off of the boxers in the same way that the

734
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 3: boxers are hoping the coaches can get them decent in

735
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 3: a fight, so they can. It's like a very weird

736
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 3: symbiotic relationship where no one actually makes it.

737
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that no one proves this point

738
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: more than Ernie, who, by all accounts he's young, he's

739
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: handsome and strong, but even his path to being like

740
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: a professional boxer is stalled because essentially, Ernie's girlfriend tells

741
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: him one night that she thinks that she's pregnant, and

742
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: then once, you know, a couple scenes later, you see

743
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: Ernie lining up in the morning alongside Tully and all

744
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: the others trying to find work on the farm. So

745
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: it's like, just because you're young and good doesn't even

746
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: mean you win.

747
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 3: Right exactly, oh exactly, And there's no it doesn't mean

748
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 3: you win it life. It doesn't mean you win at

749
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 3: the sport, and it doesn't there's no sure thing about this.

750
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 3: Like it's a constant toil and struggle day to day

751
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 3: for each and every one of these guys.

752
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 4: And you can kind of.

753
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 3: See with you know, with Jeff, from Jeff Bridges to

754
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 3: Stacy Keach to the coaches, and you can see this

755
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 3: line of who they're going to become. So Jeff Bridges

756
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 3: will turn into Stacy Keach, who will turn into this

757
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 3: coach who will turn into like it's just like this

758
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 3: very strange telegraphing of what their life is going to be.

759
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 1: Right, And you know, and the thing about the Tully

760
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: character is that ultimately he just cannot help but fall

761
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: on his own sword.

762
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 2: That's basically what happens.

763
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: And I mean, I'm not going to give away the

764
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: ending of the movie, despite the fact that it's a

765
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: very open ended ending obviously, but the thing about it

766
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: is that, like, you want somebody to win, and I

767
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: think the part of this movie that makes it depressing

768
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: and is that it doesn't seem like anybody will, right

769
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: or it's a little TBD.

770
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 2: And like I said, it.

771
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: Doesn't matter if you're young and virile, it doesn't none

772
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: of that stuff matters. It's like you're still under the

773
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: economic circumstances, you're still under kind of the pressures of

774
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: trying to make it in this world. And just because

775
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: you have dreams and just because you might be good

776
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: at something like boxing, it doesn't really translate into instant success, right, absolutely.

777
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 3: There's one of the most I completely agree and one

778
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 3: of the most beautiful illustrations of that for me in

779
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 3: this movie is when there's a boxer named Lucero who

780
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 3: comes on the scene he's going to be in a fight,

781
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 3: and they show his journey to the actual match, like

782
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 3: you know, getting on the bus and doing the whole thing,

783
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 3: and he's he's in this suit with a little suitcase

784
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 3: and a hat, and he shows up fights and then

785
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 3: at the end of the match, you just see this

786
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 3: dark figure coming down the hallway and it's him, and

787
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 3: he's put his suit back on and he's put his

788
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 3: hat back on and he's carrying his a little bit

789
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 3: suitcase and he just gets goes back outside and you're

790
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 3: just like, he's just going to do this again. He's

791
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 3: going to get on that bus and go somewhere else

792
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 3: and box and that is his life. It is a dusty,

793
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 3: drab life. And it's like these these are fighters who

794
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 3: are almost compelled to do it. They don't get anything

795
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 3: from it other than the actual fight itself. They're not

796
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 3: getting glory, they're not getting fame, they're not getting money.

797
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 3: They're just bouncing around doing this thing that they feel

798
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,240
Speaker 3: compelled to do.

799
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: Right, and you're lucky if you get like a glittery

800
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: little robe. Like at one point, Ernie is like, he's like,

801
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: Ruben gets him a little glittery robe. But guess what,

802
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: he doesn't fucking win all of his matches. So it's

803
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 1: that thing where you're like, oh, he's got a glittery robe.

804
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: He's fancy now, but like, no, he's still scrapping. He's

805
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: still having a scrap and getting knocked out. Look, I mean,

806
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 1: obviously the movie is in credible. It works on somebody levels.

807
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: For me, I know it's bleak.

808
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 2: And I know it's suppressing, but fuck if I don't

809
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 2: love a bleak seventies movie.

810
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 3: I mean, and look, the Academy in the seventies absolutely

811
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 3: loved to nominate women who were on the verge of

812
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 3: completely breaking down. And I am thinking of Gena Rowlans

813
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 3: in the movies that we've already discussed, right, But I

814
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 3: definitely think that like that Oma character was so of

815
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 3: its time as well, absolutely as these boxers were of

816
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 3: their time. And I think that they is just was

817
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 3: a moment in time where women were floundering in a

818
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 3: completely different.

819
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: Way, yes than these men, I agree and it's like,

820
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: you know, it is the tale that you rarely see,

821
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: which is basically that no one's saving anybody. Everyone is

822
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 1: having a hard time. Everybody is kind of a mess,

823
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: and there is no sort of person that comes in

824
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 1: and and saves the day for somebody like Oma or

825
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: somebody like Tully. They're just kind of together, they kind

826
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: of commiserate and then they you know, basically figure.

827
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 2: Something else out.

828
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 3: And yeah, it's.

829
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: A little ambiguous that a lot of people don't like

830
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: ambiguity like that, but I love it. I think it's

831
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: I think it's very compelling and interesting. This movie, to

832
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: me is a classic, one of the most classic seventies movies.

833
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 1: Great acting, the cinematography is fucking phenomenal.

834
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 2: The whole vibe.

835
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 1: Of Stockton and just sort of where this place where

836
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: this movie takes place is so it's so evocative and

837
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: so beautiful.

838
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 2: I just I love it. It's such a great film.

839
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 3: I could not agree more. And that's what I like

840
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 3: about it too, Like I think we both like it

841
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 3: for the same reason is that it's that slice of

842
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 3: life movie where like you're you're very deeply committed to

843
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 3: the place and the people because of when it was made, who.

844
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 4: Made it, and what it's about.

845
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 3: So you're seeing something that just tells a story of

846
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 3: a time, and I love that kind of storytelling. I

847
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 3: absolutely love it.

848
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love I love this movie for being a

849
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: sports movie, but not really. It's it's there's a lot

850
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: more going on, as we've just told you.

851
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 2: So whoo well, well, well look who's up next? Little

852
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 2: miss up next?

853
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 3: Here we are. I Wow, Yeah, we're gonna do it.

854
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 3: We're gonna do it. We're gonna get into it with mine.

855
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 3: This is gonna be all over the place.

856
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't fucking believe that.

857
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,720
Speaker 2: You picked this movie. I'm so excited. I'm so excited.

858
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 3: Every episode could be a banger. But I just want

859
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 3: to say before before I introduce my film, I just

860
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 3: want to point out that I have now sweat a

861
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 3: pattern into the collar of my T shirt that looks

862
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,280
Speaker 3: like when those fucking dinosaurs in Jurassic Park like flare

863
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 3: out there fucking gills.

864
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 4: That's what I look like like.

865
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 3: It's just a feather, a sweat pattern just developing along

866
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 3: the neckline. It looks like I'm about to attack someone.

867
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 2: You look like ll cool. J the Mama said Knock

868
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 2: You Out video. You're side into a microphone.

869
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 3: Deodorant chunks, deordorant chunks in full effect. That is all

870
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 3: I remember Poor Ello cool J. That is all I

871
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 3: remember from that completely iconic performance is that he used

872
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 3: to hold his mic out like with his elbow straight,

873
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 3: like perpendicular to his fucking face. And it was Look,

874
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 3: do yourself a favor, go to YouTube watch it. It is.

875
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 3: There is no spray deodorant happening in that building.

876
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 4: It is white.

877
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 3: Deodorant chunks under some very long arm hair and it

878
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 3: was quite distracting.

879
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the MTV unplugged version because I do believe

880
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 1: that there's a guy with long hair that's playing Mama

881
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: said Knock you Out on acoustic guitar behind him and

882
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: it's like going ham. And that's all I remember is

883
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: that guide guitar and the deodorant chunks.

884
00:46:58,440 --> 00:46:59,240
Speaker 2: That's all I remember.

885
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 3: MTV. Another conversation for another day in terms of how

886
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 3: impactful it wasn't our Goddamn lives.

887
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 2: That's a whole other podcasts starting.

888
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 3: So my film. My film was released in nineteen seventy seven.

889
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 3: It was written by Walter Bernstein based on a novel

890
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 3: written by Dan Jenkins of the same name, directed by

891
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 3: Michael Ritchie, and my movie is called Semi Tough. This

892
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 3: here is a movie about the second most important thing

893
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 3: in the world, football and also about the first most

894
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 3: important thing. It's called semi ta Holy crap this film.

895
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 3: So I want to start by saying, the first time

896
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 3: I saw this movie was with Millie at the New

897
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 3: BEV the New Beverly in Los Angeles a couple of

898
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 3: years ago, and I've since seen it like five more times.

899
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 3: It is so we are one of the weirdest movies

900
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 3: I have ever seen.

901
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 2: Oh my god, so deeply weird.

902
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:05,919
Speaker 4: And it is.

903
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:14,720
Speaker 3: About sports but not really. So my one sentence synopsis

904
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 3: that I tried so hard to write, and I do

905
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 3: not even know if this makes sense. At this point,

906
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 3: a love triangle develops between two Super Bowl bound football

907
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 3: players and their roommate, resulting in a completely bonkers movie

908
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 3: that lightly parodies everything from marriage to self awareness.

909
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 4: Yes, I tried it. I tried it, folks.

910
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 3: This is a highly satirical movie, which is evident from

911
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 3: the first sentence of the film.

912
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 4: Honestly, and when I.

913
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 3: Watched it this time, and actually the last couple times

914
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 3: I've watched it, I'm taken by I will say this.

915
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 3: I will say this, if you have a very delicate

916
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 3: modern sensibility, this movie will be triggering to you, yes,

917
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 3: because they are talking about politics and race and gender

918
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 3: dynamics in very satirical ways that were really, you know,

919
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 3: prevalent in nineteen seventy seven. But they're doing it in

920
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 3: smart ways mostly. But it's still drawing sometimes to see

921
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,720
Speaker 3: and hear that, you know, because it's of another time.

922
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:25,959
Speaker 3: It's of another time.

923
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 2: This movie is confounding in so many ways.

924
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: But I do I do think the satirical nature of

925
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: it is so nuanced and so subtle at times that

926
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: you may be confused by it and offended by it.

927
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 3: But you know, right, yes, that is actually a really

928
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 3: good way. Because I was thinking about that a lot

929
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 3: last night, and I'm like, how how do you talk.

930
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 4: About this movie?

931
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 3: Because it is so nineteen seventy seven in its sensibility,

932
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 3: and I was really kind of worried a little bit about,

933
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 3: like how to talk about this because it starts off

934
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 3: with a bang, and we should talk about the cast

935
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 3: a little bit first. So Burt Reynolds plays Billy Clyde, Puckett.

936
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 3: He's a member of the Miami football team with Chris

937
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 3: Christofferson who plays Marvin shake Tiller, and they live together

938
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 3: in an apartment with Jill Clayburg, who plays Barbara Jane Bookman,

939
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 3: and her father owns the franchise. They've all been friends

940
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 3: since they were like younger, like little kids. They've known

941
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 3: each other forever, and there's instantly like this Dallian's kind

942
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 3: of flirtatiousness between them, but you can also tell that

943
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 3: they're all just really good friends that know each other

944
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 3: really well.

945
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: This is one of the most bizarre aspects to this film. Yes, okay,

946
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 1: is this idea that she lives with these two guys, right, yeah.

947
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 3: Two football professional football players, and she is.

948
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: The daughter of the owner of this football team, and

949
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: she lives with two professional football players.

950
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 2: Which these aren't people in their early twenties who just

951
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 2: got out of college.

952
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: These are like fully grown adults, and they all shared

953
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: apartment together.

954
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 2: And it's this weird, like very.

955
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 1: Sitcommie, but also kind of like the best fan fiction ever.

956
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: Like when I was a teenage girl obsessed with the

957
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 1: Atlanta Braves, I know I would have fucking written some

958
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 1: fan fiction about me like living with two of the Braves.

959
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 2: Players and they're both in love with exactly.

960
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: That is the craziest premise for this film is this

961
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: idea that they are roommates and kind of lovers in

962
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: a way.

963
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 2: Like it's so weird, it's.

964
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 3: So bizarre, and it's a little bit of like a

965
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 3: feminist take because like she owns the apartment. They don't

966
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 3: like she's just her dad. The owner of the football team,

967
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 3: who's played by Robert Preston, Big Inn Bookman, actually has

968
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 3: a conversation with her at some point where he's like,

969
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 3: this is weird, Like your whole stuff is weird. You

970
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 3: are a twice divorced woman living with two of my players.

971
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 3: And he thinks it's weird because she's not dating either

972
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 3: of them. He's like, that is what's weird, is that,

973
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 3: like you are you're not dating, You're just a single

974
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,240
Speaker 3: woman living with these two men, and it's fucking weird.

975
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's just strange.

976
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 3: How like the it's almost like this weird full crumb

977
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 3: of like second wave feminism and his old fashioned ideas

978
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 3: are meeting in the weirdest possible way, where she's.

979
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 4: Like it's great, it's fine.

980
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 3: Because I'm not sleeping with them, And he's like, no,

981
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 3: that's what's weird is that you're not sleeping with Like

982
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 3: if you were sleeping with them, I could explain that

983
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 3: to people.

984
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: Yes, the fact that you're just like this platonic thruple

985
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,919
Speaker 1: from childhood. All of you are successful and middle aged, presumably,

986
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: like there are two professional football players at that level

987
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 1: of their stardom.

988
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,720
Speaker 2: Do they need roommates? Do they need be you living

989
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,919
Speaker 2: with their childhood friend? Who?

990
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like all these people are like, right,

991
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: I have no idea why this is happening, and it's

992
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: so weird.

993
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 2: And interesting to me.

994
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 3: It's so bizarre. And it's also again like Jill Clayburg

995
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 3: is so funny in this movie and she's so like

996
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 3: there's so some moments where she's so sad and you

997
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,359
Speaker 3: feel it, but it's still very comical. But she's also

998
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 3: the kind of woman who like gets off a plane

999
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 3: with a bunch of contraband shit from Africa and is like, oh, no,

1000
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 3: I wouldn't buy this from Africans. When you tell you're

1001
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 3: like wait, what, Like my twenty twenty one brain was

1002
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 3: like why did I like this movie? What's going on,

1003
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 3: like what because it's very strange to hear this person

1004
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 3: who is otherwise like so forward thinking have such archaic ideas,

1005
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 3: and that is like the theme of this movie is

1006
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 3: very strange mix of weird like archaic ideas mixed in

1007
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 3: with some modern sensibility.

1008
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 4: That and that's why it's kind of.

1009
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 3: About sports, but not really, because yes, what's really strange

1010
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 3: about this movie. As we enter the film, the team

1011
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 3: has just made the playoffs and then by the time

1012
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 3: they do make it to the super Bowl. But by

1013
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,479
Speaker 3: the time they get to the super Bowl, you kind

1014
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 3: of forget that they are playing football. Oh my god, totally,

1015
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 3: Like the super Bowl is a fucking afterthought compared to

1016
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 3: what else is going on in their lives. And what's

1017
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,919
Speaker 3: going on in their lives is that shake Shake Tiller

1018
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 3: Chris Christofferson. While Barbara Jane was gone what excuse me

1019
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 3: about Barbara Jane was gone on her last excursion, he

1020
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 3: has discovered this kind of transcendental sort of group that

1021
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 3: kind of encourages self actualization called Beat and the course

1022
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 3: itself is actually a parody of the Werner Erhard Seminar

1023
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 3: trainings est, which were a six day, sixty hour course which,

1024
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 3: fuck you, No, there is no amount of self actualization

1025
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 3: that will force me to be locked in a damn

1026
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 3: hotel dining room for six days with anyone.

1027
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 2: Absolutely not.

1028
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 4: It ain't happening.

1029
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 3: That s it ain't happening. But he's done this course

1030
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 3: and suddenly he becomes very tantalizing to Barbara Jane, who

1031
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 3: has known him all his life and is seeing this

1032
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,879
Speaker 3: different side of him. So this love triangle is kicked

1033
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 3: off because they start pairing up, and then the Burt

1034
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 3: Reynolds character, Billy Clyde, feels left out, but the way

1035
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 3: he expresses it is by like very subversively trying to

1036
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 3: win her away from Shake. And yet first it's so

1037
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 3: subtle that you don't even know what he's doing or

1038
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 3: why he's doing it, which is also why I'm like,

1039
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 3: this is kind of about sports, but not really, because

1040
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 3: it's about this guy who finally realizes the full extent

1041
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 3: of his feelings for this woman once she gets with

1042
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 3: their mutual bes friend. Yes, so they're like these adults

1043
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 3: who are acting out this very middle school kind of plot.

1044
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 3: It's very complicated and weird, but also fucking hilarious, and

1045
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 3: it's it's definitely there's there's a few scenes I want

1046
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,720
Speaker 3: to talk about in particular. One is the scene with Arlene.

1047
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 3: So there's this woman named Arline who is down in

1048
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 3: the bar of this hotel where they're staying, and the

1049
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 3: whole team. It's this very kind of jocular like the

1050
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 3: team is kind of in with her on the joke,

1051
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 3: but also really and she's kind of in on the

1052
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 3: joke about the notion that she wants to just like

1053
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 3: have sex with somebody, like she wants to have sex

1054
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 3: with the team or somebody in the team, And Billy

1055
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 3: Clyde says something just like horrible, like a horrible joke

1056
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 3: to her that really knocks her down. And then when

1057
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 3: he goes up to his room and realizes that Shake

1058
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 3: and Barbara Jane are hooking up, he goes back down

1059
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 3: to the lobby to like hook up with her as

1060
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 3: a way to get some of his masculinity back or something.

1061
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 3: But the way that he talks to her in that

1062
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 3: scene is he's trying to get her to understand that

1063
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 3: they were both in on the same joke, but she

1064
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 3: is so nervous after that, it's like he takes her

1065
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 3: power away somehow by revealing it, like she was okay

1066
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 3: when they were both kind of in that space of,

1067
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 3: you know, we're both just joking around, but then when

1068
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 3: it gets serious, she gets really nervous and she doesn't

1069
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 3: really trust him. And you kind of realize that you

1070
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 3: don't know if you can trust this character or not

1071
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 3: because you don't really know what his motivations are. Yeah,

1072
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 3: it's really weird. There's another scene where big ed big

1073
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 3: Ed Bookman is doing something called creeping and crawling.

1074
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 4: Ough, He's like crawling around his office.

1075
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 3: This is what I mean when I say it's like

1076
00:57:54,520 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 3: a satire of that seventies like self actualization like current

1077
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 3: that swept through our culture. And so this grown man

1078
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 3: is just like creeping and crawling around his office and

1079
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,479
Speaker 3: trying to get Billy Clyde to do the same thing.

1080
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 3: And as they're discussing it, he's kind of encouraging Billy

1081
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 3: Clyde to like get in touch with his baser child

1082
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 3: self in order to be successful at football. And it

1083
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 3: just kind of points out the extent that some people

1084
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 3: will go to be successful in a sport, even if

1085
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 3: it doesn't make sense at all, like at all. So

1086
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 3: that's a kind of a weird, very weird scene. But

1087
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 3: then the biggest and weirdest part of the movie to me,

1088
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 3: which is also the most hilarious. Barbara Jane and Shake

1089
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 3: get engaged and he basically tells her that she has

1090
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 3: to do this course, this beat course, so that they

1091
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 3: can have a successful relationship, like they can't be in

1092
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 3: a quote mixed marriage. She doesn't believe, right, he's clear, No,

1093
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 3: I'm not clear.

1094
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: I wanted to said he's found it is that what's

1095
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: the term that they use.

1096
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, like she doesn't get it.

1097
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, he doesn't get it. She gets it.

1098
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 4: It's like it.

1099
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's it and she's not, which, you know, reminds

1100
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: me a lot of like that kind of indoctrination, that

1101
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: kind of you know, like guruy type of indoctrination religion

1102
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 1: type stuff where they're like, well, you can't go outside

1103
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: the group exactly exactly.

1104
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 3: And it's kind of like the way that in a

1105
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 3: modern sense people would would discuss.

1106
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 4: Scientology exactly exactly.

1107
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 3: It's very strange. So she decides, Okay, I will do

1108
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 3: this course because I want the Guru, who was played

1109
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 3: by Bert Kanby. And if all you know about Bert

1110
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 3: Convey is his hosting duties on eighties when loser draw. Yes,

1111
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 3: this movie is a revelation because he plays a character

1112
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 3: called Friedrich Bismarck that is the wildest character I've seen

1113
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 3: on screen. So he basically they go to this hotel

1114
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 3: and shake waves her goodbye, and she's going to be

1115
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 3: locked in this First of all, she's going to be

1116
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 3: locked in this conference room for two days straight. As

1117
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 3: she's walking in, she's like, why is everyone bringing pillows?

1118
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 3: And he's like, oh, yeah, some people do that. Don't

1119
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 3: worry about it. The fact that he didn't tell her

1120
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 3: to bring a pillow to sit on those folding chairs

1121
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 3: for two days, I would be divorced.

1122
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 4: Already in my house because I am in Red Flag.

1123
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 3: So she goes in. She's deeply uncomfortable, and Burt Conby

1124
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 3: starts out this meeting by calling everyone in the room assholes.

1125
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 3: He's like, what's up, assholes? You don't know shit about fuck?

1126
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 2: Yes, literally he literally says that. I think. Yeah.

1127
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm here to tell you that you don't

1128
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 3: know shit about fuck. And people are asking the funniest

1129
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 3: and weirdest questions and they'll ask things like what if

1130
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 3: I don't get it? And he's like, well, then you

1131
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 3: weren't supposed to get it, but if you're in the room,

1132
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 3: even if you're sleeping, you're gonna get it. Like he's

1133
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 3: just purposefully convoluted as a way to again satirize these

1134
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 3: people who are searching for something that they cannot find

1135
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 3: outside of themselves, Like it just doesn't work that way.

1136
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 3: But he's capitalizing on their spiritual quest right and calling

1137
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 3: them assholes, and they are loving it, and it is

1138
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 3: so goddamn funny to see them in this room. And

1139
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 3: then at one point, Barbara Jaye looks over and Billy

1140
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 3: Clyde's in the room. So he is again doing all

1141
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 3: this surreptitious shit as a way to get into her

1142
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 3: good graces, and he pretends to get it so that

1143
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 3: he can undermine the relationship. When at the end of

1144
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 3: this conference she doesn't get it, and she comes out

1145
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 3: like in tears mascara, running like a mess, doesn't get it,

1146
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 3: and he's like, well, I got it, And then he

1147
01:01:56,480 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 3: starts kind of ribbing his best friend shake and being like, yeah, man,

1148
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 3: what if she never gets it, maybe that's okay. And

1149
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 3: so he's doing all this underhanded shit to win this

1150
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 3: woman away from his and they're all.

1151
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: Best friends, very strange go to the fucking super Bowl,

1152
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 1: and the super Bowl is literally like a five minute sequence.

1153
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like.

1154
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: Totally not I mean, it's like the smallest part of

1155
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:23,919
Speaker 1: a football movie.

1156
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 3: It's so weird. And another hilarious scene to me is

1157
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 3: right before the super Bowl, since Billy clides the captain

1158
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 3: of his team, they talk to the captain of the

1159
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 3: other team, the Dallas team who and the captain of

1160
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 3: that team is Carl Weathers and he plays his.

1161
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 4: Character called Dreamer.

1162
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 3: It is the funniest fucking interview sequence I have ever

1163
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 3: seen where they're both they both end up basically comparing

1164
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:55,919
Speaker 3: their bullshit self actualization like religious intent.

1165
01:02:56,000 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 6: Yes, pyramid power, right, pyramid power. Carl Weather's like, oh,

1166
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 6: you want on the pyramid? How are you try to

1167
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 6: beat me with fucking beat? Beat is out? Pyramid power

1168
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 6: is in.

1169
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 3: It is so weird and h Larry yes, And then

1170
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 3: they end up just kind of talking to each other

1171
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 3: in this weird jargony way. But it is just so

1172
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 3: again about sports, but not really because they're kind of parent.

1173
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 3: They're kind of doing a sat tire of those interviews

1174
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 3: where you're supposed to be polite but also shit talk

1175
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 3: your opponent in a very democratic way. So it just

1176
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 3: ends up being a very strange film that culminates in

1177
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 3: the weirdest.

1178
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 4: Wedding I have ever seen on screen.

1179
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 3: I remember when we saw it in the theater, I burst

1180
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 3: out laughing for five fucking minutes straight because there's genuinely

1181
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 3: a scene where like a choir boy rides across to

1182
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 3: the ground, like he's on this cross throwing things at

1183
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 3: people and then just rides it to the ground. It

1184
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 3: is like mad Maxy Road, like that goes fucking guitar

1185
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 3: guys on those sticks on the Fury Road, except it's

1186
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 3: across and a church.

1187
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 5: It's like, there's a point where this movie just becomes

1188
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 5: so like like it comes like an acid trip almost,

1189
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 5: And I don't want to spoil the ending, but it's

1190
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 5: like the strangest fucking things happen in this movie, and

1191
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 5: this weird love triangle that is so not about sports,

1192
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 5: but you can also see because they're again they're they're

1193
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 5: playing these these kind of.

1194
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 3: Sports figures that are not really falling in line with

1195
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 3: the cultural perception of what football players are. Like I

1196
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 3: think the Brian Denahey character in this film does that

1197
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 3: and he is like a whole conversation, god O, whole conversation.

1198
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 3: Like he is like chewing glasses and dangling women from

1199
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 3: balconies and like he is the personification of this hyper

1200
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 3: testosterone like lunkhead.

1201
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1202
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 3: But then you have, you know, again, like the Billy

1203
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 3: Clyde and Shakee characters who are supposed to be these

1204
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 3: kind of like suave sort of you know ladies men,

1205
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 3: kinda kind of dudes, and they're not, like they don't

1206
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 3: they know that that's what they're supposed to be, but

1207
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 3: they're not playing into that at all. Yeah, And that's

1208
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 3: kind of evident when Chris Christofferson does that commercial for

1209
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 3: Mitcham for Mitcham and he's just joking throughout. They're both

1210
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 3: just like joking throughout.

1211
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 4: The whole thing.

1212
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so they're kind of playing against type and

1213
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 3: both wanting to be seen as deeper than they actually

1214
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 3: are supposed to be seen.

1215
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 4: So it's just I don't know.

1216
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 3: It's a very I do not even know if what

1217
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 3: I'm saying makes sense anymore, but it is a very

1218
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 3: confusing and funny and jarring film that is about sports

1219
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 3: but not really.

1220
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 1: My goodness, I I have been wanting to unpack this

1221
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 1: movie with someone since we saw it Afterny Beverly, because

1222
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 1: when we saw it it was playing in a double feature.

1223
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: They were doing like a Burt Reynolds tribute like throughout

1224
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: the entire month, and I think it played with like

1225
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 1: Smoking in the Bandit, which was kind of like, oh great,

1226
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 1: like the crowd pleasing, fucking incredible Southern masterpiece Smoking the Bandit,

1227
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 1: and then this weird sort of sports movie. It's like

1228
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 1: a body sex comedy and a sports movie and a

1229
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 1: rom com and like a weird satire of religion or

1230
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 1: of self actualization movements of the seventies.

1231
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 2: I mean, it's wild.

1232
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 1: It's the wildest combo of themes and tones in one movie.

1233
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 1: And we literally walked out of it going like this

1234
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:48,919
Speaker 1: is one of the weirdest movies we've ever seen.

1235
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 2: Because then you look at the poster.

1236
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 1: If you google the poster for Semi Tough, it looks

1237
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 1: like a fucking titty comedy. It's like, Okay, it's like

1238
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:02,920
Speaker 1: Burt Reynolds and Chris Christofferson in these really over the

1239
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 1: top drawings from old sex comedies where they're like bending

1240
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 1: over right before the snap behind these women with giant boobs, right,

1241
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 1: you know, and they're like giving each other a wink

1242
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 1: like check it out, or behind them leaning over like

1243
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 1: isn't this fucking hilarious? Like and that corny sex comedy thing.

1244
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 1: But then the movie is not that either.

1245
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 7: That's the weirdest part because then you are watching the

1246
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 7: movie and you're like, wait, the first thing Chris Christopherson

1247
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 7: is talking about is like how he's transcended his fucking

1248
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 7: time and space in his own head.

1249
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that he doesn't.

1250
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 3: Even care about that shit anymore, yeah, exactly.

1251
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 1: And I was like I was trying to figure it

1252
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 1: out too, because you know, Michael Ritchie directed this film,

1253
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 1: and Michael Ritchie he's done like two types of movies.

1254
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 2: Really.

1255
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 1: He's like the I would say, a king of like

1256
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 1: sports movie director.

1257
01:07:57,800 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 2: So, I mean, he.

1258
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 1: Did The Bad News Bears, he did Downhill Racer, he

1259
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 1: did Wildcats and Diggs Town. But he's also done stuff

1260
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: like Smile, which is like a satire of the pageant industry.

1261
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 1: And he's done you know, movies like Prime Cut, which

1262
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 1: is also very weird and kind of kind of crazy, and.

1263
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:22,679
Speaker 2: You know, so it's just this thing where.

1264
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 1: You're like, so there's this director who's kind of working

1265
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 1: in both satire and sports. Okay, that kind of tracks,

1266
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 1: but then what's up with like the the rom calmness

1267
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 1: of it all. The thing that I think is pleasing.

1268
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 2: About the movie is the idea that you have.

1269
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:42,679
Speaker 1: Jill Klaiberg, Chris Christofferson, and Bert Reynolds, who are all

1270
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 1: like super fucking hot, and they're all they all have

1271
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 1: a very easy, breezy relationship. It's like, even though it

1272
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 1: is the weirdest thing in the fucking world that they're

1273
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 1: roommates and sort of like all kind of this weird

1274
01:08:56,520 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 1: like love triangle, It's like, well it if it isn't

1275
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 1: the best love triangle you've ever seen, because everyone's hot.

1276
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 1: Bird's fucking plugs are on points, like you know, like

1277
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 1: Jill Klaiberg's got them highwaisted fucking jeans and the little

1278
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 1: tide tied at the waist shirts, and I mean Chris

1279
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 1: Christophers and Jesus Christ's like, you know, he's just got

1280
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 1: a necklace dangling in some chest hair.

1281
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, okay, oh.

1282
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 3: Chris Christopherson is just like a gleam smile and some

1283
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:26,560
Speaker 3: twinkly eyes.

1284
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 2: Yes, and you will go, oh, my God, I.

1285
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 1: Wish I could have sex with all three of these

1286
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 1: people at the same time.

1287
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 2: Of course, but this is just such a small part.

1288
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 1: Of the what the end of the movie ends up

1289
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 1: being about, which is that it becomes about the the

1290
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:45,639
Speaker 1: burd convy and the fucking the movement that they're all

1291
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:49,000
Speaker 1: kind of in, and and it's like the marriage is

1292
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 1: contingent upon it.

1293
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 3: Man.

1294
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 2: It is like truly wild, just such a wild movie.

1295
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 3: Truly true, and it deserves It's one of these films

1296
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,639
Speaker 3: I think I picked it because I feel like even

1297
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 3: though this this movie could be a little bit jarring

1298
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 3: for people or upsetting or triggering in some ways, it's.

1299
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 4: So much like that city.

1300
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 3: It's so of a time that if you understand that

1301
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 3: they are satirizing that time that they're in, it becomes

1302
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 3: a very strange diary of what we like, what culture

1303
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:25,680
Speaker 3: was into, and why they were wrong or right to

1304
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 3: focus on certain things about that type of culture at

1305
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 3: that time.

1306
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1307
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Speaker 1: I mean, if you want to tie the two movies

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Speaker 1: together in another way besides the fact that they're sports movies,

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Speaker 1: but not really, but it is that masculinity conversation of

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Speaker 1: the seventies, because you do see people like, here are

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Speaker 1: two football players, one.

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Speaker 2: Of whom is like on some fucking.

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Speaker 1: New age shit, and the other guy is unsuccessful at

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Speaker 1: right getting the girl for like ninety percent of the film.

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Speaker 1: So it's just that thing where you're like, okay, well

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Speaker 1: that's an staying idea, right there, is that you have

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Speaker 1: these again, people who are participating in a masculine sport

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Speaker 1: like boxing football. But also these guys are not like

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Speaker 1: typical football players. They have moments where they are but

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Speaker 1: for the most part they're not.

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Speaker 3: Right. Yeah, I think Brian Denahey's character is like supposed

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Speaker 3: to be the embodiment of what football players are like thoughtless,

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Speaker 3: like masochistic, misogynistic awfulness.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just like lugs.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, just total lugs.

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Speaker 3: But they also spend there's a couple of scenes where

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Speaker 3: they spend so much time kind of try to talk

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Speaker 3: him down from that behavior and talk him into being

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Speaker 3: a different kind of person. It is very strange. Look,

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Speaker 3: we are both completely hopped up on caffeine.

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Speaker 4: I have sweat all the liquid from my body.

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Speaker 3: This is a wild episode. But I think this movie

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Speaker 3: deserves to be seen, and I hope that it's taken

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Speaker 3: in the spirit with which it was made.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is as rich of a fucked up text

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Speaker 1: as The Holy Mountain.

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna make that. Thank you make that statement.

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Speaker 1: And you know, we really hope that you do watch

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Speaker 1: these movies if you haven't watched them already for the episode.

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Speaker 1: But shit, like, I would love to hear people's takes

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Speaker 1: on Semi Tough.

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Speaker 2: Like I just I just think it's so bizarre and it.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't seem like it would be, but it actually is

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Speaker 1: one of the most bizarre films I think I've ever seen.

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Speaker 2: So please please let us know.

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Speaker 3: I'm also afraid to hear your thoughts one for that

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01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 3: exact reason, because it is quite the movie to take

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Speaker 3: to ingest.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but we we welcome all the time, any any

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Speaker 1: kind of like email, thoughts, opinions. If you couldn't understand

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Speaker 1: what the fuck was going on in Semi Tough, if

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Speaker 1: you are at the bar drinking cream Sherry's because Fat

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01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 1: City was so fucking depressing. If we've just completely blown

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Speaker 1: our minds by this episode, please email us at I

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Speaker 1: saw what you did, pot at Gmail.

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Speaker 3: Look, this was the whole This episode was the Holy

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Speaker 3: Mountain version of our show in the Annals of History.

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01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 3: They'll be like, oh, yeah, that was that one episode,

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Speaker 3: the Holy Mountain episode.

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Speaker 4: If I saw what you did.

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Speaker 3: As a person who has never done a psychedelic I

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Speaker 3: feel like I could explain the experience now just from

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01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:40,639
Speaker 3: recording this, like, I get it, I get it. Now.

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Speaker 3: Just get hot enough to sweat some fucking dinosaur feathers

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01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:48,799
Speaker 3: to your shoulders. But that is it. That's a wrap

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Speaker 3: on episode thirty nine. We've done thirty nine episodes. Can't

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, so let's give them the movies for next week.

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Speaker 3: Oh boy, you're gonna have to guess the theme. But

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Speaker 3: next week's movies are Dead Poet Society from nineteen eighty

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Speaker 3: nine and If from nineteen sixty eight.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, what's the theme? Guess it if you can.

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Speaker 3: I feel like we were on acid during this recording.

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Speaker 3: It was hilarious and wonderful.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm an acid because I had to

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Speaker 1: watch Semi Tough again, So.

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Speaker 4: A holy crab that movie.

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Speaker 3: Just watch it please so we can all talk about it,

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Speaker 3: because we clearly need to talk about it. With other people.

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Speaker 2: See you next week everyone, Thank you bye.

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