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Speaker 1: Good evening, swear and welcome to another emergency edition of

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Speaker 1: the Not Dumps podcast on the Athletic Network. It's still Sunday,

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Speaker 1: February second, twenty twenty five. I'm Jay Skates here in

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Speaker 1: the yard and joining me. Thanks to the power of technology,

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Speaker 1: it's task Melus.

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Speaker 2: Yes, two trades, one day.

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Speaker 3: Woo.

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Speaker 1: Also here on screen, it's the Beard one, a top

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Speaker 1: shot boy trade Kirbie eh Ay and in the background

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Speaker 1: making the magic happy. We got super producer jd. Yeah. Wow,

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Speaker 1: we're back. We were in the factory, now we're in

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Speaker 1: the yard. Same day, two trades. It's amazing. I know

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Speaker 1: it's been a busy day for the Southern lawyer, but

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Speaker 1: let's test his energy levels. Here we go.

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Speaker 4: He got all sails.

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Speaker 3: It tiny horse, just a little miniature horse. Well, I've

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Speaker 3: been ruined this one for years.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you have raising it up from a young full

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Speaker 4: to a full grown trade.

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Speaker 1: I just realized that Nikola Jokic must love our podcast.

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Speaker 1: All the horse talking we're doing here today. Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: NBA's second blockbuster trade is here. Deer and Fox heading

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Speaker 1: to the San Antonio Spurs and a three team deal

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Speaker 1: that will send Zach Levine to Sacramento. We've got the

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Speaker 1: full detail. So Spurs get Fox, they get Jordan McLaughlin,

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Speaker 1: the Kings get Zach Levine CD soisoko three first round picks,

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Speaker 1: it's actually two first round picks, we'll explain, and then

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Speaker 1: three second round picks. It's actually five second round picks.

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Speaker 1: The Bulls they get Zach Collins, Trey Jones, Kevin Herder

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Speaker 1: and their own twenty twenty five pick coming back from

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Speaker 1: the Spurs. So yes, Fox obviously the key piece. He

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Speaker 1: goes to the Spurs, he teams up with Wemby, tasks

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Speaker 1: and they didn't have to give up any of the guys.

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Speaker 1: We thought maybe it would take right, Devin Missell, Keldon Johnson.

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Speaker 1: You know, there was some Chris Paul talk in the end.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's Zach Collins, it's Trey Jones. It's

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Speaker 1: really not a whole lot. It's more sort of pick oriented.

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Speaker 1: But what do you think starting with the Spurs getting

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Speaker 1: Fox to team with Wemby.

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Speaker 2: Here, I'm excited for Fox and Wemby. I am excited

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Speaker 2: for the picking and the rolling. I think Fox is

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Speaker 2: a good pick and roll ballhandler. You look at the

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Speaker 2: stats and he is quite good in terms of scoring,

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Speaker 2: they're like Jalen Brunson, Jay Gilges, Alexander like point per

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Speaker 2: possession numbers. When he's ball handling. Now, he doesn't do

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Speaker 2: it as much as those other guys because the ball

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Speaker 2: goes through Demata Sabonis all the time, but he is

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Speaker 2: extremely efficient and that shooting percentage is shock. He's fifty

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Speaker 2: And now what he's playing with Wemby, I think it's

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Speaker 2: going to get him better because all the pressure, all

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Speaker 2: the eyes are going to be on Wemby, and I

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Speaker 2: think that's just a great combo. Yeah, you said they

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Speaker 2: didn't have to give up any of those guys, So

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Speaker 2: even in the near future, whether it be these next

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Speaker 2: four days or the summer, they will potentially be looking

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Speaker 2: at dealing guys like you mentioned Kelvin Johnson, maybe down

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Speaker 2: the road, den Vesel Jeremy Sohannah. Harry Barnes is still

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Speaker 2: an old guy they have there. They won't trade Stefan Castle.

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Speaker 2: I don't think this is the clear winner for me.

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Speaker 2: We've got two trades in one day, two very clear winners.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to see those guys work together. I think

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Speaker 2: they will be very good. I know we talked about

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Speaker 2: it briefly a while ago that dearon Fox isn't a shooter,

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Speaker 2: now again with all the pressure, all the focus being

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Speaker 2: care what they gave up Picks. That picks thing is

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Speaker 2: in the past. They gave up to Jeante Murray in

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Speaker 2: They got it. They're done with the Wemby pick, so

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Speaker 2: I'm excited for them. For the other teams, well, that's

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Speaker 2: a whole other story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, we definitely got to hear from the Bulls

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Speaker 1: fan Trey Kirby and the Hall they got back and

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Speaker 1: what they did. But TK, I would love to hear

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Speaker 1: your opinion on the Fox part of this all. And yeah,

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Speaker 5: Well, first and foremost, I'm so happy you called this

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Speaker 5: a blockbuster. We had Lukadancs traded for Anthony Davis. I

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Speaker 5: we do have two all stars changing teams. Yeah, and

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Speaker 5: Tassa is right.

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Speaker 4: This is an absolute home run for the Spurs.

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Speaker 5: I've got a lot more concerns about the fit of

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Speaker 5: Fox with Wemby, but Fox is the guy who was available,

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Speaker 5: and they gave up one asset that had real value here,

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Speaker 5: and that's the Minnesota pick in twenty thirty one. That's

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Speaker 5: not their pick. They kept the Sacramento pick swap in

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Speaker 5: twenty thirty one. They could still benefit from a bad

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Speaker 5: Kings team down the line. They kept the Hawks picks,

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Speaker 5: which I think is huge, getting the you know, their

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Speaker 5: unprotected pick this year, the swap next year, the unprotected

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Speaker 5: give up Castle, they didn't have to give up the Cell.

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Speaker 5: They still have a Kelvin Johnson contract that they could

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Speaker 5: move if they wanted to. The Spurs still have enough

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Speaker 5: assets to go and get the next guy around Fox,

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Speaker 5: around Wemby and the young core that they think they're building,

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Speaker 5: even if it's not an ideal fit next to Fox

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Speaker 5: and who knows, like, let's see how Wemby progresses playing

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Speaker 5: with a point guard like Fox. Let's see how Fox

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Speaker 5: progresses playing with the guy like Wemby, who is going

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Speaker 5: to be drawing so much attention. This is an awesome

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Speaker 5: trade for San Antonio. It raises their talent level, It

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Speaker 5: getting into the playoffs this year, and that just gives

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Speaker 5: Victor experience in the most high leverage of moments.

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Speaker 4: This is a banger for the Spurs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you guys one hundred percent. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I love Dearon Fox. I always have. You know, he

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Speaker 1: gets overlooked playing for the Sacramento Kings, but then help

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Speaker 1: I'm happy to see him paired with Wembinyama here in

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Speaker 1: the San Antonio. But that pick, I just want to

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Speaker 1: three first round picks. The reason I was joking about

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Speaker 1: that is that Charlotte first rounder the Kings received is

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Speaker 1: it's not conveying, and that means the Hornets will instead

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Speaker 1: to five scenario. Just to clarify that for everyone. But TK,

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Speaker 1: let's get your, you know, Bull's opinion on the matter.

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Speaker 1: Here at what comes back and zach Lavine obviously finally

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Speaker 1: being moved. You've been putting in work on our goddamn

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Speaker 5: What do you think even back in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 5: the twenty one to twenty two season was the most fun.

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Speaker 4: Bull season of zach Lavine's career.

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Speaker 5: There it's when they had the great start they were

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Speaker 5: Six months ago, zach Lavine lost the Bulls picks to

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Speaker 5: They're getting off of it now. That is a huge win.

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Speaker 5: It was beyond time to move on from zach Lavine.

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Speaker 5: him on the Bulls. He played for some terrible, terrible teams.

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Speaker 5: He got ripped off in the twenty twenty All Star

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Speaker 5: it during some bad years for Chicago. It is good

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Speaker 5: I'm sure the plan is to try and be active

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Speaker 5: them is moving guys like Vooch, maybe Lonzo, maybe Kobe White.

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Speaker 5: Because the Bulls, you love it to see it, once again,

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Speaker 5: did not get any extra picks in this deal. They

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Schumann here in the in the stream team saying,

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Speaker 1: the Bulls still in the play in club, but they've

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Speaker 1: been holding the door wide open for the Sixers for

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Speaker 1: a few weeks now.

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Speaker 2: Don't forget those Raptors.

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Speaker 1: Jesus test still believe they're hot, babe, they would.

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Speaker 2: Bulls are falling out, that's for sure.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 5: Honestly, Sixers and Raptors I think could potentially catch the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, task from the bull side of things. Before

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Speaker 1: we can then, of course talk about the Kings here, like, well,

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Speaker 1: what do you think and the roster? You were laughing

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Speaker 1: three players going back to the Bulls. Uh, I don't

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Speaker 1: believe Trey Kirby is all that fond of in Collins

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Speaker 1: trade Jones and Zach Collins, but tats, what do you

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Speaker 2: we'll be calling another trade of blockbuster if they trade Nikolovucevic,

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Speaker 4: They would be. They would be the bulls in the Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Trey, I think they're the bulls West. It's Zach, it's Dumar,

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Speaker 5: and it's Vouch. But guess what booch is blonde now

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Speaker 5: and his name is Demonta Sabonis. The exact same team

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Speaker 5: It's the exact same team. They're going to be in

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Speaker 5: As we're seeing here, players often get their way, even

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Speaker 5: So they didn't have to throw in Castle, they didn't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that is an issue when you're in the

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Speaker 2: It is super close. I don't think they get in there,

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Speaker 2: that would feel like they're winning something here. It's going

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Speaker 2: who just wrote about Jimmy Butler potentially being traded, he wrote,

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Speaker 1: Now, remember when Zach Levine was maybe going to the Warriors,

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Speaker 5: The Spurs from the eighth seed, because that, to me

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that right now, Come on, ADM Deer

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Speaker 5: And to me, the goal should be the eighth seed

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure, they could they've got a really

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Speaker 1: I think, Man, this is still a lot of weird

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Speaker 1: season from Sacramento when you think back to the like

432
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Speaker 1: Fox blunder in that game right after Christmas and then

433
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Speaker 1: gets called out by it sort of by Mike Brown,

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Speaker 1: and then like the fallout from that, and I know

435
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Speaker 1: there was already like probably some you know, organizational like

436
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Speaker 1: mistrust Fox and his camp felt with them, and yeah,

437
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Speaker 1: the whole like now we don't want to do the

438
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Speaker 1: contract extension. It's just like so they can the coach.

439
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Speaker 1: And then Doug gets someone like a seven. They lose

440
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Speaker 1: the first one and then like going a seven game

441
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Speaker 1: win streak, and like then all the Fox trade room

442
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Speaker 1: as sort of quieted there for a little bit, and

443
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Speaker 1: then they ramp back up. Of course with these recent

444
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Speaker 1: like hey, he wants to go to San Antonio, like

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Speaker 1: he wants to play there and there's some interest there.

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Speaker 1: What's it gonna take oh Castle, let's selle. You know,

447
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Speaker 1: we're like, oh, it's gonna be something like that, and

448
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Speaker 1: in the end for it to be none of that. Man,

449
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Speaker 1: And and like Trey said, even like not even like

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Speaker 1: the sexy sexy picks. Even pretty impressive work here by

451
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Speaker 1: the Spurs to add this guy. And now you just

452
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Speaker 1: find out for what a year and a half, like

453
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Speaker 1: how how he fits? What's his demeanor? Like, you know,

454
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Speaker 1: like how does he slot in with Wemby and these

455
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Speaker 1: other guys? Like pretty incredible.

456
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Speaker 2: And he gets at least half a season being with

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Speaker 2: Chris Paul And you know that's just a little bonus.

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Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, yeah, it's a good point, all right. Well,

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Speaker 1: any any other thoughts here on the three team deal?

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Speaker 1: And if you guys are just joining us for the

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Speaker 1: first time, we go daily here at no Dunk, so

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Speaker 1: out our emergency podcast from this morning on Luca getting

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Speaker 1: traded to the Lakers. Yeah, any other thoughts on this

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Speaker 1: Fox Lavine? I guess you say, Zach Collins deal. I

467
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Speaker 1: don't know who you pick there? Going to the Bulls

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Speaker 1: I guess I don't know.

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Speaker 5: To Zach's and the sack deal. Huh to Zach's in

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Speaker 5: a sack?

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 5: A lot of Bulls fans are excited because it feels

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Speaker 5: like getting this pick back from the Spurs, which also

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Speaker 5: did have protections attached to it for next season and

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Speaker 5: the season after twenty six and twenty seven. I suppose

476
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Speaker 5: getting it back means those protections are gone as well,

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Speaker 5: So even if they were to keep the pick this year,

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Speaker 5: that would have factored in next year. This allegedly gives

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Speaker 5: the Bulls leeway to tank right like they don't have

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Speaker 5: to be. They would have been incentivized to tank next year,

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Speaker 5: you know, keeping the pick if it's top eight protected.

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Speaker 5: But hopefully this means they are choosing that direction. You

483
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Speaker 5: can never be sure with the right We're not sure

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Speaker 5: what they need to do, so.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna learn.

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Speaker 5: I'm not ready to fully cast my lot with this

487
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Speaker 5: trade yet because I want to see what they do next.

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Speaker 5: I want to see if they're able to get any

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Speaker 5: sort of return for vouch Lonzo, Kobe, maybe Io Dessume,

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Speaker 5: depending on who is interested.

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Speaker 4: I don't think anybody should be.

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Speaker 5: Untouchable except for Mantus buzzellis he's the guy right now

493
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Speaker 5: because it feels like this could be the first move

494
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Speaker 5: of many for the Bulls. They've been reporting out of

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Speaker 5: Chicago that they might not be done, and I hope

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Speaker 5: that is the case. We shall see you just never know.

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Speaker 5: It'd be nice to get a pick back here there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I guess the Bulls, I believe, have to

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Speaker 1: waive some guys here, right.

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Speaker 4: They got a lot of guys completed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think you know. The front runners to

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Speaker 1: be waived are Tail and Horton Tucker, Chris Duarte is

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Speaker 1: on the Bulls, Tory Craig. So I guess a couple

504
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Speaker 1: guys if somebody will have a couple guys have to

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Speaker 1: be waved at least as this currently stands, and I

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Speaker 1: guess have to.

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Speaker 5: I should also be excited. I don't off the top

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Speaker 5: of my head, I don't know if the Bulls have

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Speaker 5: adaver had a player named Trey and they just traded.

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Speaker 1: For one Trey Jones.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, to get a trade Jones Jersey.

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Speaker 1: Geez, that'd be very cool, very cool.

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Speaker 5: Super cool man, super cool. That's what has me watching

514
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Speaker 5: the second half of the season.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right, they did this for you.

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Speaker 4: Task.

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Speaker 1: Any final thoughts here before we jump on the on

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Speaker 1: the horn again and do it all again tomorrow morning.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm just looking at the standings in the Eastern

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Speaker 2: Conference and it is great for the Bulls to pick

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Speaker 2: a direction which is down in the standings for once,

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Speaker 2: and it is wild to see them intent and the

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Speaker 2: tront Raptors at sixteen and thirty three, literally I'm thinking

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Speaker 2: about them making the play in at this Toronto Raptors

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Speaker 2: team sitting in twelfth, at sixteen and thirty three, They've

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Speaker 2: got the easiest schedule the rest of the way in

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Speaker 2: terms of strength of schedule. Go, Yeah, they could do it.

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Speaker 2: And it is true that with Jalen Johnson's injury in

529
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Speaker 2: Atlanta them in the ninth, the Bulls and tenth they

530
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Speaker 2: could literally fall down and Philly and Toronto could take

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Speaker 2: their spots. Yeah, in the play. The Toronto Raptors are

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Speaker 2: sixteen and thirty three and they I mean, it's obviously

533
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Speaker 2: they got to win a lot more games, but they

534
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Speaker 2: are definitely still alive to make it. And Philly's you know,

535
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Speaker 2: playing better even though and Beads not back at this point.

536
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Speaker 2: But yeah, we watched the Toronto Raptors team today as

537
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Speaker 2: they they bowed the American national anthem before their game

538
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Speaker 2: before they beat the Los Angeles Clippers at home. They

539
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Speaker 2: beat their old Kawhi. Yeah, things are changing and for

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Speaker 2: the next thirty to thirty five games here in the

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Speaker 2: Eastern Conference, it's it's good for the bulls though. They

542
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Speaker 2: picked a they picked a direction, that is for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, So who's the next big name to be traded?

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Speaker 1: And will it be uh considered a blockbuster? I got, like,

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Speaker 1: I guess, I mean the Luca the Lakers with ad

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Speaker 1: to going to the mass like that was that's almost

547
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: that was more than a blockbuster. Yeah, that was like

548
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Speaker 1: we said, it was the craziest trade of all time,

549
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Speaker 1: like the most stunning, most shocking. That's like a mega trade, right,

550
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: those are two. You know, when when when Luca is

551
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Speaker 1: named to the top one hundred players of all time,

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Speaker 1: that's two top one hundred players of all time. This one,

553
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: like you said, blockbuster all stars being moved around.

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Speaker 4: I think that's fair.

555
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: I guess Vucci if just moved for not an All Star,

556
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: it's not blockbuster gym all right, No, it's just a trade.

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00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, Boch going for a second round draft pick. Is

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Speaker 5: that a blockbuster?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 5: If a Jimmy Butler and Bradley Beale involved the trade

561
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Speaker 5: goes down, would you consider that a blockbuster?

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00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, if both all stars.

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00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, if Jimmy gets moved, If Jimmy gets moved to

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Speaker 1: a team that like you're like, whoa, that team's now

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Speaker 1: a player to like compete in the playoffs and maybe

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Speaker 1: compete for a championship or whatever, like get back into

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Speaker 1: the mix. To me, that's a blockbuster. That's a that's

568
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: a game changing trade. If Brandon Ingram gets traded to

569
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Speaker 1: the Raptors, you know, of course, depending on who, but

570
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Speaker 1: it's not going to be for like Scottie Burns or

571
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 1: anything like that. Like, I don't know, I don't think

572
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 1: that constitutes a blockbuster, But I'll tell you what we'll

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Speaker 1: be doing an emergency podcast regard.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, it sure felt like Jimmy Butler to

575
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: this SUNS was happening. But to hear this Brian Woodhurst

576
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: tidbit here that he's told that the Golden State Warriors

577
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Speaker 2: that he ain't sign any an extension there first, What

578
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Speaker 2: why wouldn't you sign an extension with the Golden Warriors

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Speaker 2: and play with Stephan Draymond. If that's the case in.

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Speaker 1: Terms of it wants to do the trade in Phoenix.

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Speaker 2: I guess so. But the second thing I want to

582
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Speaker 2: say is, I guess it's not a lock. The fact

583
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 2: that these little tidbits are coming out. It's not a

584
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 2: lock that he's going to the Phoenix Suns. And it

585
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 2: sure felt that way. Who knows, but yeah.

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Speaker 1: Bradley Beal my friend all the cards.

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00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, when he heard about the Luca trade, he was

588
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 2: on the bench with Kevin Durant and Kevin Durant was

589
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 2: telling him. He kind of immediately looked away like he

590
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 2: didn't he didn't want to hear about a trade. It

591
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 2: seems like I don't. I don't like hearing about trades.

592
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 2: It's like he doesn't want It felt like to me, like, nah,

593
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 2: it ain't my thing, man, I don't want to be dope.

594
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 2: I just want to be here sitting here in the

595
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 2: twelfth seat of the bench. It didn't didn't feel like

596
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 2: it was happening. I'm body languaging, that's one hundred percent sure.

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00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 2: But one all I know is.

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Speaker 1: Right now, as we build up to the trade, deadline

599
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: on Thursday. With these two blockbusters or big ass deals

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00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: that we had today, feel I feel like that referee

601
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: from that clip where the boxers are fighting, he's oh oh,

602
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, hell yeah, You're like, the NBA

603
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: is back, baby, super Bowl what? Grammy's what? Who gives

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00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: a shit? Got a deal?

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Speaker 4: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: I feel like a lot of people were calling conspiracy

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Speaker 5: with the Luca to the Lakers earlier today, but I'll

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Speaker 5: say this, I'll buy into this conspiracy. Adam Silver said

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Speaker 5: first Sunday, No NFL in months, two trades in.

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Speaker 4: Call him in, Boyce, call him in. Joe Dumars, Joe Dumars,

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Speaker 4: Joe Dumars.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, good.

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Speaker 4: Job at him.

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Speaker 1: Salute to you, Yes, salute to you. Uh. Let's call

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Speaker 1: it there. Let's hear from everybody in the stream.

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Speaker 5: Team.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, drop your opinions in the YouTube comments. Who won

618
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: this three team deal? Just for those coming in late obviously,

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Speaker 1: Daron Fox to the Spurs, Zach Levine to the Kings.

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Speaker 1: Those are the key players in this move. To your thoughts.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back tomorrow morning unless another crazy trade happens.

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Speaker 1: Nless Jimmy Butler in the next hour or two gets

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Speaker 1: traded to the Warriors or Suns or somewhere. We'll be

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Speaker 1: back tomorrow morning at ten am Eastern UH to talk

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00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: about the Luca trade, a little bit more to talk

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00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: about this trade, a little bit more to do some

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Speaker 1: weekend winners and losers. So hopefully you'll join us, then

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