WEBVTT - Sam Pancake Disobeys Bridger 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:14.400 And I invited you here. I thought I made myself 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:21.239 perfectly clear. When you're a guest to my home, you 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:27.440 gotta come to me empty. And I said, no, guests, 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:34.440 your presences presents enough. I already had too much stuff, 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:36.720 So how do you dare. 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:52.480 To surbey me? Welcome to I said, no gifts. I'm 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:56.800 Bridger Wine girl. We are in the backyard the first 0:00:56.840 --> 0:01:02.520 time since everything burnt down. What's going on? I've woke 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:04.920 up pretty early this morning. I had plenty of time 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:08.800 to get a lot of things done, and I simply 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:12.440 chose not to, So the day just was wasted. I 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:16.560 did get a haircut the other The thing I actually 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:19.600 wanted to talk about is a recent realization I had 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:25.399 that when people on the internet are saying happy Heavenly Birthday. 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:29.320 Until maybe two weeks ago, I thought that meant the 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:34.560 day they died. I thought that meant And now that 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:37.880 I've realized it just means their birthday, It's all so 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:40.640 clear to me. Why would people be celebrating the day 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:44.320 the person died. But I hope that everyone can see 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:46.560 where I'm coming from. It does seem kind of like 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:50.200 happy birthday in Heaven. Like the first time you got 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:53.320 to heaven, so I can't be blamed, but I will 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:59.760 do better moving forward. That's it. It's nighttime, it's dark, 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:05.520 and our guest is wonderful. I adore him. It's Sam Pancake, Hello, Bridger, Sam, 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:06.559 welcome to I said, don't. 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:08.160 Give ridgerd thank you for having me. I'm happy to 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:08.480 be here. 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:09.720 I'm happy to have you here. 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:12.880 I don't think I've ever done a podcast outdoors at 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:17.040 night and in such a lush, tropical, beautiful setting. 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:20.640 Well, it's when you first started describing that sound, it 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:22.240 was getting more and more dangerous. I haven't done on 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:23.440 one outside at night. 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:26.400 At night in a jungle type atmosphere where there seemed 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:28.679 to be fanged creatures about, and I didn't feel safe, 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:31.440 and something was there was a weird smell. Other than that, 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:35.359 I feel perfectly at home. It's funny you say about 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:38.320 a happeny happity it's gonna be. There's a reason I'm 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:40.200 off and I'll talk about it later. Even though I 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:44.240 swore to myself, I took it sacred vow. On the 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:48.280 autobiography of Jennifer Lewis Jennifer with one N Lewis, Who 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:51.480 is My Goddess? That I would not talk about drugs 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:52.480 or sex on this, but. 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:54.560 I we're going to get into it. 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:57.160 Well, okay, So I grew up in a very small 0:02:57.160 --> 0:03:00.000 town in West Virginia, very as you can imagine now 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:02.239 Sally or Christian Conservative. 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:05.680 And the best page. 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:08.640 In the newspaper, i'm sure review is the page of 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:12.280 all the like local things about Lordy LORDI dump, he's forty. 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:15.280 You know, here comes Shirley. She's too early. 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:18.280 She's look a nifty for fifty, and like, come on 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:21.120 down to the ramp feed surely she's too early a 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:23.799 premature birth that I just came out of my mouth. 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:25.160 I don't know, but that's what we're going to do 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:27.760 with that. Because also I was looking at it one 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:31.679 time physically and I noticed this family woman had posted 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:36.960 like we're having a birth tenth birthday for a little 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:42.720 lurline in the in the Ebenezer cemetery. And I was like, oh, 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:45.640 it was like a public INVI. And I said, I didn't. 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:48.080 I was like, looking, I was like, that's well, I mean, 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:51.680 people can be poverty ridden. It's a big open space, 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:54.560 balloons in a tree. 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:57.480 Yeah, maybe let's do it. 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:00.280 Just come on down, you know. And then and there 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:03.480 was like, there'll be a ceramic birthday cake. I was like, well, 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:05.960 that's cruel to not let Laurlene eat a cake. And 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:08.920 then it slowly washed over me that she was dead. 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:13.280 That is a dark, dark situation in my brain. 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:15.280 Maybe I cooked it up, but there was a photo 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:19.120 of the cake, like that's a step too far for everyone. 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:22.039 It was so at the time of rolling with laughter, 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:24.640 but then later in life, as I've gotten a tiny. 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:27.360 Bit more empathetic, I was like, oh, how tragic and 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:31.600 doing that rip Lawurlen. 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:33.720 Yeah, I'm not going to say the real name month. 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:35.280 It was probably pronounceable by. 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:38.480 A educated tone. Wow. 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:42.159 I'm very angry with a lot of people in my 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:47.279 hometown in County today, in particularly for just the last 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:48.560 couple of months. 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:52.560 I can't imagine why, no reason, I have a similar feeling. 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:53.960 I imagine you do. 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:56.760 But at least egg price is a rock bottom And. 0:04:57.880 --> 0:04:59.720 I went to Trader Joe's today not an egg and 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:02.080 so they've even given up pretending there's an egg section. 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:06.159 There were no labels like sorry next week, gone with milk, 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:08.800 the one of the usc Oh your kidding completely gone, 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:09.920 like egg free store. 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:13.120 Oh yeah, that sounds like a new category include a 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:16.240 free environment, egg free store. People not see an egg 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:20.560 an hour store. You're safe. Finally, this is gonna affect 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:21.040 my baking. 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:23.680 It's well trying to make a ceramic cake. You can 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:27.240 do that, Lane is expecting, unless you're puting an egg 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:31.599 wash on your on your you know, ceramic birthday dead balloons. 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:35.280 Good luck America, Good luck to all of us. 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:39.480 God's terrified. Speaking of that, I finally, and I was 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:41.359 sharing a little of this with on a lease earlier. 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:43.960 So I have been. 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:47.360 And just forgive me people who have heard my four 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:48.680 big stories of my life. 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:52.919 I'm sober, i have Celiac disease, I'm in a hotened 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:55.680 mansion in the South, and I'm from a big fail 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:56.279 whatever you know. 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:58.839 I was on Friends twice. It's all the boring stories. 0:05:58.960 --> 0:05:59.720 It's top five. 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:04.960 Celiac disease is one of your top five stories. 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:09.120 So so interesting is the point. But my sober twelve 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:12.839 and a half years, I've never luckily all the depression 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:14.880 I thought I had stopped when I stopped drinking a 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:16.320 gallon of depressant today. 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:18.960 Sure, and I don't know how that ends off. 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:23.680 Taking it up prescribed pills by the fistful, but I 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:25.760 was like, oh, I'm fine, I don't have clinical depression, 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:30.880 and I'm gonna be okay until recently where I finally 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:33.200 and you learn a little by little that everyone is, 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:36.720 you know, on something like of course you know, great, good, 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:38.839 thank God. I mean, Sylvia Plath wouldn't have put her 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:40.960 head in the oven if we'd had lexipro in sixty two. 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:41.600 Absolutely. 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:44.760 So, I finally two weeks ago said to my doctor 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:46.800 and my therapist, who's I've been with ten years, I'm like, 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:51.480 enough with my sobriety heroics, I need to get enough prescription. 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:53.159 Sure, so they put me on something. 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:55.000 Very mild traazid, on which it turns out every third 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:56.960 person I know is on which you bring it up, 0:06:57.160 --> 0:06:58.279 including people on my farm. 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:01.479 I and so we're figuring it out. Okay, I'm on 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:05.480 well bututrin. Okay, good, But I'm not familiar with trasident 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:09.080 Trasi dome, which I of course keep calling jazz a 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:14.840 doone the dome. Well, that's where Tina Turner is chuntianity. 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:19.600 It's I knew it from when I did first check 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:23.000 into Its hilarious. Yeah, and the detox for and then 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:27.960 rehabben twenty twelve, Obama was president at least about June. 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:29.760 There are good things about the past. 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:34.520 There are, and I knew the people there who uh, 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:37.040 because you can take prescribed medications. But I don't know 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:38.440 why I held out for so long. It was just 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:40.840 some It's just me being willful in. 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:41.360 A bad way. 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:44.600 You could have trasadone because it's non narcotic and non addicted. 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:46.560 Okay, sure, sure, choose. 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:50.240 For sleep and for anxiety depression, which I did. I 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:52.360 know I have lots of anxiety, but I was managing 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:55.960 it pretty well, so I thought. But the depression, after 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:58.920 all the events of the last two years, including the 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:00.840 last few months, I got to the point where I. 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:01.920 Was like, I can't do it anymore. 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:04.480 Of course, they gave it to me for sleep, but 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:06.960 it's working better for anxiety and depression, and we're figuring 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:09.040 out the dose. And last night I got a little 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:09.720 too much in me. 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:11.920 Only two bills. 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:14.320 The doctor said. I went to see the GP, who 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:17.080 have a new doctor, and I really like him, That's 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:18.720 all I'm going to say. And he was like, yeah, 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:21.120 just you know, see what's going on. So I had 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:22.840 a very interesting day. 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:25.040 And did you sleep like a rock? Last night, did 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:27.760 est really well? And you dream? I do dream? 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:31.680 I dream. Uh, They're they're good, they're they're solid, they're 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:34.960 not nightmares, and they're not unlike my dreams before. 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:37.800 So that's interesting. Oh yeah, a new take on dreams. 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:41.680 Well, what I was doing before is to manage my sleep. 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:45.080 Was on every trick in the book, from no screens 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:49.520 to like regulating my meals and then taking benadrill or 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:51.680 a melotone. And Benadrill was a new in the mix 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:54.720 last year and it was give me a weird like 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:56.000 depression in the morning. 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:58.000 The Benadrill was yeah, well I was sort of. 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:02.240 I was waking up, like I went to I'm a failure. 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:04.720 I've done everything wrong. I didn't I wake up. 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:06.840 You don't need to tell everybody knows that. Everybody, well, 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:08.720 that's true. I want everyone to know that I finally 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:12.400 knew it. You finally came to this finally thanks Bena drill. 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:15.360 No allergies. But now I know I should drip in 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:19.840 front of an oil truck. So I said in my therapist, 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:22.520 like this viitals given me depression. He was like he's 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:25.880 a super He's beyond therapist smart. He's like he's weirdly smart, right, 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:27.720 and all this stuff about medicine. He's like, that is 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:30.440 absolutely not a side effect of benadrill. And I'm like, oh, 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:31.319 welcome to me. 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:38.000 Pancakes box like Pandora's boss. Oh they're sealing myself. I 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:39.480 have a weird reaction to benadryl. 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:40.640 What do you do I have? 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:42.520 And I've told this this is one of my top 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:46.080 five stories, can't wait. I have what's known as a 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:48.800 paradoxical effect to it, which is it doesn't put me 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:51.840 to sleep, it wakes me up. So I was my 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:53.920 first writing job. I was so nervous. I felt like 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:55.000 I was like, I need to be able to sleep 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:56.920 at night, but I was having a hard time. So 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:01.000 someone said take ben a drill, I benadryl, and then 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:04.559 I was awake for at least thirty six hours night. 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:08.360 No absolute hell, and you were taking the nighttime calm 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:11.280 down versus yes, that's not like whatever. 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:14.560 So that's like when they sometimes you give a child coffee, 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:16.400 which when am I not and they go to sleep? 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:19.959 Coffee kind of does that for me. Okay, coffee doesn't 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:21.959 keep me up. I mean it just makes me feel better, 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:25.080 which I think can lull me into like feeling nice, 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:29.040 that false inse of security. Yeah, exactly, exactly, what are good? 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:31.960 Well you what's going on in that Mormon blood over 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:32.880 that gingerbood? 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:35.760 That's a great question. I think that it's just a 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:39.080 different category altogether. The chemicals are. 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:41.360 Just do you know if anyone in your how many siblings? 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:45.040 You have three? And do you like them? Yes? Okay, 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:47.720 well I get killed one wrong or you're a good actor. 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:52.560 Don't ask me that question. I love them, I love them. Yes, 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:54.400 I have two older brothers and a younger sister. 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:58.720 Okay, great, you can just another time. But I'm interested 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:00.959 about your journey to Hollywood. 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:05.400 No, I mean, it's sure, but what whatever you feel 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:06.160 like talking about. 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:09.120 I'm just I'm curious about people, and I know I 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:10.680 run my mouth. I keep looking on at lease because 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:11.080 I wanted to. 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:13.920 Join in to Alisa's making a lot of threatening gestures. 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:15.319 Cut it out, stuff. 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:21.240 Like that, scissor scissors, wrap it up, Razornick. I said 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:24.120 to my I say to my therapist, I'm like your turn. 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:26.320 I did it to my GP, my new GP, my 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:32.400 new cute GP last week. I just, uh, well, the 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:36.079 way the lady I had before was and I found 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:39.760 I'm realizing this more now with the new GP. She 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:43.640 was really uh, really inappropriate a lot of ways. 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:47.720 Oh yeah, can we talk about it? Yes, No, I 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:48.760 don't know. You could look it up. 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:50.560 I guess I don't want to get her in trouble. 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:53.240 Wait, no, no, can you look it up? No? Nothing, I 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:55.920 know it was a Vulture article. There's a Vulture. 0:11:55.679 --> 0:12:00.559 Article the cut, so the h no, I just I 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:02.840 won't get into it. But the new one of the 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:05.200 things I did on purpose where she this old doctor 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:09.800 suddenly was like she's no longer with us now, oh boy, 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:12.439 a bit older to to the degree she could have retired. 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:15.360 But she said things to me, including like, oh I 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:21.080 love you people. She also and this is another one 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:22.800 of my stories. If sorry, I've heard it before, but 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:24.079 I was working on a show. I'm not going to 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:27.840 say it was one of the show runners female. We 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:31.720 got to talking and she we we realized we had 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:35.080 her in common, this doctor and the show runner, and 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:37.800 you know, you you have to have some balls and 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:42.080 guts and overies to run a show. Ideally ideally, yes, 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:45.440 but she was like she made me cry, Oh my god, 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:48.520 I hope this is this doctor doing because you think maybe 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:50.800 I thought it was just for gay people. But she 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:53.200 I'll tell you later because some of it gets real intimate. 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:57.200 But the new doctor who is under the category of 0:12:57.320 --> 0:13:01.920 lgbt Q Champions, Okay, the ill health you see they 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:04.200 had that category. Yeah, I think it's new and I 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:07.920 picked him and he's great, and I would not try 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:09.760 to purport what his story is, but like you know, 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:11.400 in terms of his background, but I think you know, 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:14.800 he he gets it. Let's just say he was telling 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:17.520 him the things that she did to me or wanted 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:23.000 me to do, et cetera. He was like, no, no, no, wow, 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:25.000 jumping through a lot of hoops to be on prep. 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:29.880 Being on prep with some sort of like emergency. 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:33.040 You know, you know that those doctors are out there, 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:36.800 probably more and more abundance than you would expect in 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:38.880 different areas of the country. Complete do you imagine? 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:42.240 I can't, And it's sad. So I'm lucky to have him. 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:46.160 I'm grateful for him. I'm sorry more back to you. 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:48.320 Can the guests refocus the podcast on me. 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:50.640 I hate talking about myself. 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:53.040 I'm so tired of you stealing the Spotlin. 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:56.640 I probably sensed I hate attention. I also want to 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:59.199 apologize to everyone because I am way more casual. I 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:01.280 usedn't leave the house and sweats except to go to 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:01.720 the gym. 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:05.600 But I think it's good look. Oh, don't hate it. 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:07.200 So I didn't change. 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:10.280 And I think this medicine is making me have less 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:11.400 costume changes a day. 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:13.000 Oh that's nice, because. 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:16.880 I will put on a Probably is not a good look, 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:19.800 It's probably just I just like to look a certain 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:23.040 way going certain places. Right, Even back in the days 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:26.040 where we did auditions in person, Like if I had 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:27.680 to put a suit on for an audition and go 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:29.800 about my day in that suit. 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:31.960 I felt like a fraud. Right of course, I felt 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:33.840 like an old Yeah that makes no sense. 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:36.920 Uptight white man, which I only am. I'm only that 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:38.880 to a degree. 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:43.120 So you're from Mormon Land, I'm from Mormon Land, USA. 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:45.680 I had to go to Salt Lake City in the spring. 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:46.840 Oh what were you doing there? 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:49.040 There was a work thing I had to do, okay, 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:51.280 and I stayed at a very big hotel that I 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:51.960 did not like. 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:55.040 Was it the Grand America? Sure was. That's the only 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:58.080 hotel that anyone ever stays at. What was the problem 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:00.480 with it? I just it was. 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:02.560 It was a work trip that my friend and I 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:04.360 were on this little tour for this book that she 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:07.520 wrote and or you can look at my Instagram and. 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:09.960 We are listen, we're dear friends. 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:11.560 And we had a great time, okay, And we got 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:13.960 to say in a lot of really nice hotels, and 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:17.000 then we got to Salt Lake Big Town. Because I was, 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:18.640 can I say, I was like, it's I thought it 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:20.800 would be bigger Salt Lake Salt Like, it's not that 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:23.000 big of a city now, and it's the city is 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:25.560 in the title, so they need to rewrite that. I 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:28.200 was like, I think I was really jetlaged and angry 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:30.680 and the altitude and everyone in Salt like, I'm so sorry, 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:32.760 but just pretend that I'm saying this with love. I 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.760 was like, Salt Lake City more like salt Lake Town. 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:42.040 But here's the thing, I'll never go there again. I 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:43.520 love read Iguana. 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:48.520 Oh Delicious of your Dream I loved. I ended up 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:49.480 loving Salt Lake City. 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:52.040 And we have met so many great people the theater 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:56.320 just like wonderful people. I'm being sincere, I really am. 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:02.280 And it's hilly around here. 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:05.320 But I was I. 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:09.520 Thought it was like bigger. I don't know why, right, 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:13.560 And it's beautiful, like the mountains, ring it with the snowcap. 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:16.120 It's really a beautiful place. I think it takes people 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:17.280 by surprise. 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:19.680 Yes, because you it is kind of in a bowl too. 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:22.800 Yes, And you also go in with so many preconceived 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:26.520 notions and a lot of them justified and you get 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:28.560 there and it's a nice city. 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:32.680 It was just more casual and more less like we 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:35.560 had just been to like Chicago, you know, in Dallas 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:38.840 and New York at Philadelphia. So it was more it's 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:41.400 like a big why western city. 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:44.360 You know. It's a I mean, compared to Chicago, it's 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:47.480 a country mouse it is. But if you compare it 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:51.200 to say a Denver A Boys. 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:53.760 I've not been to Boys, I've been to Ketchum, it's 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:55.640 more of a it's an Idaho. 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:56.120 Ketcham, Idaho. 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:58.680 Remember when that's the town that, uh, you know, was 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:03.000 Hadley near Ketcham. The Demi Moor and Bruce Willis bought over. 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:05.760 A lot of rich people in Idaho. Yeah, Sun Valley. Yeah, 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:09.200 they're buying big pieces of property, riding their horses. 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:11.240 The river runs through it. 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:14.560 That river absolutely runs through it. Yeah, but I do 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:19.000 uh now, not living in Saltlake, I really appreciate it. 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:21.720 Going back those mountains. They meant nothing to me my 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:25.359 entire childhood because they were just always there, born there. 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:26.160 I was born there. 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:28.920 Yeah, that's me in the mountains of West Virginia where 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:30.760 I was born in southern Virginia, but both of my 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:33.600 mother and father's families are from West Virginia, and that's 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:37.399 where the pancakes have been from since the seventeen. 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:37.920 Hundreds and so. 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:41.520 And the mountains are so beautiful and it's visually so beautiful, 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:43.119 and I completely took it for granted. 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:44.720 Yeah, then you go back for the first time as 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:47.639 an adult and think, oh my god, what am I 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:50.240 looking at? It's stunning? Its completely different things. 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:54.399 It was I just wanted to It was a big 0:17:54.520 --> 0:18:01.760 outdoorsy sportsy hunting, fishing, camping, athletics versus all that childhood 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:08.000 gardening you know, uh, canoeing, canoe lots of canoeing, all 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:10.879 the canoeing and kayaking and all that. But then it 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:12.199 was just I was like, I don't want to be 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:14.680 in the city course. 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:18.040 Did you participate in any of the outdoor activities? Yes, 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:21.240 well we were forced to. Did you enjoy any of 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:22.199 the ones you were forced to do? 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:25.240 I am now grateful that I know how to that. I. 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:27.240 I mean, I'm super rusty on it. But I was 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:30.320 the oldest son. And my dad, who I'm named after, 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:35.800 UH did his He's been dead for a while now, 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:39.040 so you do look, you do, honestly look back with 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:40.000 more love. 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:41.240 And empathy and understanding. 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:45.119 And and he he did his best with me, sure, 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:48.879 and he they had six kids. And my father later was, 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:51.320 I don't want all you kids, but your mother just 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:54.640 had to have you. And he if I had been 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:57.600 my brothers who did who were athletic, and who did 0:18:57.640 --> 0:18:58.120 like to hunt? 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:01.760 And I hunted and we were shooting my first squirrel 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:04.480 and being like why, I just felt bad at it. No, 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:05.040 I ate it. 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:09.159 I eat meat still. But I loved canoeing camping. I 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:11.040 was like, what, we live in the country. Why are 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:14.200 we driving up to our farm up the river to 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:19.480 lay on the ground on a rent? Yeah? But I 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:21.400 we had four h You probably had four ach. 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:23.919 We had we had a four h club. Yes, and 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:26.760 like there was the very specific cowboys who were in 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:29.320 the club. Oh, because you were Western? Yeah we were. 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:33.160 There were lots of farmers and we raised people, raised 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:36.880 pigs and stuff. But I liked, Uh, I loved four 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:40.600 age camp and I liked horses. I liked riding horses. 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:42.960 That was fun the whole experience. 0:19:43.000 --> 0:19:44.040 Then I did. We did. 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:45.720 We grew up in a big old place that my 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:48.800 dad grew up into outside of town, and then we 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:52.439 had this big pancake family farm up the river. So 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:56.720