1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Monday, December the eighth and 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: day sixth of testimony and the Brian Walsh trial is 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: now in the books. Evidence a lot of it was 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:17,119 Speaker 1: going over in court today, including some pretty remarkable, some 5 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 1: pretty eerie videos of Brian Walsh not long after he 6 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: says his wife died. And with that, welcome to this 7 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: episode of Amy and TJ and Robes were talking about. Yes, 8 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: this case. One big deal about the case is that 9 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: he admitted to cutting up and disposing of his wife's body. 10 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: These videos show him buying the tools. 11 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: It's you said, eerie, That's a really good way to 12 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 2: put it. And when he is at Low's. I believe 13 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 2: that was on January first, in the afternoon, so we 14 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 2: are talking within hours of his wife dying. We see 15 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 2: him with a mask and blue latex gloves purchasing all 16 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 2: of the items that he used. And we can say 17 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 2: this because he's admitted to it to chop up, dismember 18 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 2: his wife's body. So yes, I was actually even watching 19 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 2: the Low's employee unknowingly being a part of this where he's, 20 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 2: like I said, can you imagine after the fact, now 21 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 2: he's watching this surveillance video that's being played in quarter, 22 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 2: or at least is aware of it. And he's holding 23 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 2: and touching these items and selling them to this man 24 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 2: who is going to use them for the most despicable, disgusting, 25 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 2: unthinkable act. It's just the idea of it, just it 26 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 2: all hits you when you watch the surveillance video. 27 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'd heard about some of the video. We've been 28 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: hearing about video that shows him throwing stuff in the dumpster. 29 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: Well we saw that stuff today and then surveillance video. 30 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: I guess one that's most head scratching in bizarre robes 31 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: is that one of them, he is actually entering the 32 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: store with a young child. They blur out the child's face. 33 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: We have to assume it's one of his kids. But 34 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: to think he made a run to the store on 35 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: that day to continue buying cleaning items and the woman 36 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: he just chopped up. He took that woman's child with 37 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: him to the store to collect these ideas. That was again, 38 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: the videos were the most fascinating part of the day. 39 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 2: I know, I looked at you and I said, can 40 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 2: you even imagine that kid's going to know at some 41 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 2: point in his life, Daddy took me to the store 42 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 2: to get things to clean up my mom's body. It's 43 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 2: it really it doesn't seem like anyone that we know 44 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: or that we love, or even when we think about 45 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 2: what we're capable of. Could you bring a child, the 46 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 2: child of the mother you just or were about to 47 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 2: dismember that I don't know why that takes it to 48 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 2: a whole other level, but it just does. 49 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: All right. So that was certainly some of the highlights 50 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: of the day. We'll give you more about those videos 51 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: in a second, but the day started today. They continued 52 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 1: with the examiner who was on last week at the 53 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: end of the day on Friday, but the medical examiner 54 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: was back up. Also. We talked about so much of 55 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: the evidence and so much of these surveillance videos that 56 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: we'll get to but ropes the medical examiner, and as 57 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: to be expected when over a lot of the evidence 58 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: and blood was found downstairs. We found some blood on 59 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: the hack saw, we found blood on a night the 60 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: piece of rug, all these things. That stuff is to 61 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: be expected. They had to get all these things in evidence. 62 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: But then the guy, now we've been kind of in 63 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: awe of Larry Tipton, the defense attorney, He got up 64 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: and started making points that nobody seemed to push back on, 65 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: and these points seemed to be even bigger because of 66 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: that he had this was he turned the medical examiner, 67 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: the prosecution's witness, into his It. 68 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 2: Did feel like, yes, at some points, the medical examiner 69 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 2: was testifying on behalf of the defense. That is what 70 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 2: it felt like, because Yeah, Tipton got the medical examiner 71 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 2: to admit that he cannot make a definitive finding on 72 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 2: the cause and manner of Anna Walsh's death as long 73 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 2: as he doesn't have the body. So he's like, yeah, confirmed, jury, 74 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 2: are you listening. The medical examiner is telling you that 75 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 2: no matter what, the prosecution cannot tell you the cause 76 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 2: or manner of Anna Walsh's death. 77 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 3: Period. That's a pretty big issue for the prosecution. 78 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a big issue because they know every 79 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: single one of those jurors. They want a couple of things. 80 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: They want a motive, and they don't want to know 81 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: how she died. Everybody agrees she dead, but how does 82 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 1: she die? That's a very important question. But Robes, he's 83 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: sitting up this idea of the sudden, unexplained death. It 84 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: is everybody agrees, it's so so so rare, so rare. 85 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: So the medical examiner is sitting up there and Tipton, 86 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: the defends attorney, is listing off all these ways somebody 87 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: could possibly die unexpected unexpectedly. He reels off, what is this, robes, asphyxia, 88 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 1: sexual activity, illness, somebody could even have sudden, unexplained death 89 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: because of an extended trip, extended travel road dress. He 90 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: asked this guy all these things, and the guy just said, Yep, 91 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: that's an option, Yep, that could be true, Yep, that 92 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: could happen too. He never said yeah, but it's really 93 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: really rare. 94 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 2: He didn't qualify or quantify it at all. He just 95 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 2: kept agreeing with Tipton that that was possible. Yes, that's possible, 96 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 2: and he even said in young, otherwise healthy people, yes 97 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 2: that could happen. And the fact the crazy thing is, 98 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 2: then the prosecution didn't say, we'd like a redirect and 99 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 2: have him explain just how unusual all of those specific 100 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 2: rare occasions are. But when you have the defense attorney 101 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 2: listing all of those rare occasions in a long list, 102 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 2: it sounds like it happens all the time. 103 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: So I do not remember a moment he qualified it. 104 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 1: So if you didn't know any better, and you're hearing 105 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: about sudden and explained death. Oh, all it can happen 106 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: because of that what you're hearing, you think are all 107 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: the options. So I hear like, oh, there are ten 108 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: possibilities for how she could have died from sudden with 109 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: no qualifying yet happens in point zero zero, zero point 110 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: one cases or whatever. 111 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 2: Right, And when that follows the medical examiner himself saying 112 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 2: that he can't tell the jury how Anna Walsh died. Now, 113 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 2: don't you have to consider all of this laundry list 114 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 2: that the defense just laid out that the medical examiner 115 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 2: agreed with. Don't you have to consider that as possible? 116 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 2: And how does that play into reasonable doubt? It's all 117 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 2: very effective, and it certainly was today listening to it, and. 118 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: The actually the defense didn't didn't actually have that active 119 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 1: of a day. The prosecution kept putting up a number 120 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: of witnesses essentially just to get evidence into testimony who 121 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: weren't evidence into the trial. These folks weren't necessarily folks 122 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: that the defense had anything to refute. We had an 123 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: employer of Ano Walsh testified, a Walgreens employee, a liquor 124 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: store employee, a Low's employee. But in getting the some 125 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: of this evidence in let's start with the Walgreens employee Robes, 126 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: they showed surveillance video of him buying band aids and 127 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: antibiotic cream. Then you go to the liquor store in Robes. 128 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: This was the one where I think I might have 129 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: tapped you and said, look at this. 130 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 2: You did, yeah, because we were you know, we're working, 131 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 2: we're watching, and all of a sudden, you see pretty 132 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 2: undeniably Brian Walsh walking with black trash bags and putting 133 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 2: them in this dumpster. There was something so so eerie 134 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 2: about that as well. To know what was inside those bags, 135 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 2: or what was possibly inside those bags, it's just it's 136 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 2: so unsettling to see it. 137 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: And we've been hearing about this very video for quite 138 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: some time. But you see him plain as day, and 139 00:07:55,720 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: they had the liquor store employee up there. They were 140 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: trying to do is make clear that he had no 141 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: other reason to be there, because this was on January one, 142 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: it was closed. The no reason for him to be there. 143 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 3: The liquor store was closed on New Year's Day. 144 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: But they have a dumpster on site, and sure enough, 145 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: he's in his car dumping this stuff. Now, the other 146 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: person they got out there was an employee of Lows. 147 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: He made a couple of stops at Lows. But in 148 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: one of those stops, the one we were talking about robes, 149 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: you can see him with the gloves. A couple of 150 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: employees are helping him, so we are. He looks like 151 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: he's doing a total home makeover. The baskets are full 152 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: of stuff, and this is essentially his body removal kit. 153 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 2: That's what you actually said, Oh my gosh, just look 154 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 2: what's in those baskets. It is a body removal kit 155 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: of buckets and tarps and mops and just a lot 156 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 2: of cleaning supplies. It was really disturbing to see it 157 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 2: all in his shopping cars. 158 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: I haven't seen or heard anyone explain why he had 159 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: the mask on. 160 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 3: Now. 161 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if he had a medical issue he 162 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: was trying to cover his face that night, But this 163 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: was post This wasn't during those times. 164 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 3: I didn't hear anyone directly address it. 165 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 2: But I was thinking because then in later surveillance videos 166 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 2: he doesn't have a mask of gloves on, but in 167 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 2: that first one he did, and I was wondering if maybe, yes, 168 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 2: he was worried about being caught, it had just happened. 169 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 2: He didn't want anyone to know it was him, So 170 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 2: I was thinking that might be the case. And then 171 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 2: maybe he started to let his guard down. Maybe he 172 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 2: thought his story was working, Maybe he thought he had 173 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 2: it all figured out, and so he didn't feel as 174 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 2: nervous about being seen in public, because yeah, he was 175 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 2: pretty covered up, although he has such a very specific 176 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 2: stature and look like you can tell one hundred percent 177 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 2: that it was him. And the other thing that was interesting, 178 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 2: it's the only time every person who was testified, Well, 179 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 2: there was one today who said he was emotional when 180 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 2: he was talking about Anna, when he was calling the 181 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 2: work her work security guard. He said he was very 182 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 2: emotional for a moment. But almost everyone who's just describe 183 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 2: Brian in phone conversations, in police interviews, and even in 184 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 2: the surveillance video we've seen, he seems cool, calm and 185 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 2: collected as if well, you would never think something was wrong. 186 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 2: You would never think his wife was missing, you would 187 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 2: never think the love of his life is somehow gone. 188 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 2: But in that first surveillance video in Low's where he 189 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 2: has the mask and the rubber gloves on and it's 190 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 2: within hours I guess of her dying. He was antsy. 191 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 2: You said, Look, oh my gosh, it's the only time 192 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 2: he looked physically nervous. 193 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: Even in court. We haven't seen him be anything but cool. 194 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: I mean, he was shifting his weight back and forth 195 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: on his feet. He seemed to be in a hurry. 196 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: He wanted to get the hell out of there. It 197 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: was the first time we've seen it, and we can 198 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: imagine why at that point in by very early morning hours, 199 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: this first video we're seeing the other they had a 200 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: CBS employee up there. This is the video I mentioned 201 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: this one. I think this is one robes that there's 202 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: I don't think about this video. You see him as 203 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: so plain as day, clear as day. Had these images 204 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: of him when you know at least he admitted what 205 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: he's been doing at home, right, You see this guy, like, 206 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: what is going on? How is he able to keep 207 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: it together. 208 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 3: Right and just act normal. 209 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 2: It's weird to see because you just think that there'd 210 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 2: be something that would give you away because of what 211 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 2: you had just been taking a part of the most gruesome, 212 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 2: horrific thing you can imagine having to do, and the 213 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 2: panic he must have felt to try and cover up 214 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 2: what had happened, and ugh to think about just going 215 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 2: out in the world and acting like you're just going 216 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 2: and making a Walgreens run for some band aids for 217 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: your kids. But actually there is a very different story 218 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 2: unfolding at your home. 219 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: Hi, right, folks, Well, there was a final witness of 220 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: the day and again on cross examination, the defense was 221 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: able to get him to admit something pretty major. Will 222 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 1: explain what that was. Also, one of our dear legal 223 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: friends will explain why she says the prosecution is absolutely 224 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: blowing it. Stay here, we continue now, folks, Day six 225 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: of the Brian Walsh trial. What's the latest again, Robe, 226 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: They were the prosecution was ahead of schedule, right, I 227 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: thought it was a two or three week trial. But 228 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 1: right now they're certainly on or ahead of schedule. 229 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 2: Correct, they are ahead of schedule, according to the judge. 230 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 2: When she wrapped up or was telling the jurors to 231 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 2: enjoy their weekend, she did say it looks like the 232 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 2: prosecution is slightly ahead of schedule. She had warned them 233 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 2: there could be up to four four and a half 234 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 2: weeks of testimony. She says she now thinks there will 235 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,719 Speaker 2: be just two more weeks of testimony, so she thinks 236 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 2: a total of three, so she thinks it's been shortened 237 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 2: by even as much as a week. 238 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 1: But skin close to Chris it. 239 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 2: It is well, no, at this point, if there are 240 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 2: two more weeks of testimony, that means the jury would 241 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 2: get this case the week of Christmas, which. 242 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 3: I don't know if they're willing to do that. 243 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,959 Speaker 2: I don't know if they would say, hey, we'll reconvene 244 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 2: January third, I don't know. That seems like a tall 245 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 2: order to ask these jurors to remember everything, to go 246 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 2: through Christmas and New Year's, to not talk about it 247 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 2: with family members all they know that they're on this 248 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 2: high profile case. That seems like such an unreasonable ask 249 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 2: because obviously they would not sequester the jurors during this time, 250 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 2: and that's just going to piss everybody off. So and 251 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 2: I don't know, it really is going to be right 252 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 2: at it's going to butt up directly to the holiday 253 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 2: and think about you know, this isn't just about Christmas 254 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 2: Day or Christmas Eve. 255 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 3: These jurors have. 256 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 2: Kids and families who probably have Christmas pageants and specials 257 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 2: and parties and events, and it's just it's a tough 258 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 2: time of year to be on a jury. 259 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: Also missing work many of them maybe, and missing out 260 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 1: on money, missing out on check. I mean, you get 261 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: paid for jury duty. 262 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 2: But it's oh, I don't even know what it is now, 263 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 2: but what is it? Fifty dollars a day something? 264 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: It's not. Yes, it's not a living wage. We should 265 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: say the last the State Crime Lab was the guy 266 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: was up today again going through a lot of stuff 267 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: that was found, putting evidence into UH and to the trial. 268 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: But Robes the cross examinator examinator is what I call 269 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: Lipton Tipton. 270 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 2: Excuse me, Jeeseus's Larry Tipton. But it's easy to say. 271 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: Not Lipton. We should start calling him Lipton. 272 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 3: No, let's not because his name is Terry. No, Larry Tipton. 273 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, you just got me to say. 274 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: I didn't get you to No. 275 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 2: Okay, you put it in my head. It's messed up 276 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 2: and removing it to Larry Tipton. 277 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: He is tipping the scales of justice. 278 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 3: How about that now you'll always remember? 279 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: Okay? But yeah, Tipton he's talking to the State Crime 280 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: Lab guy and got him to admit something pretty significant 281 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: after he went through all of this testimony with the prosecute. 282 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: I found this, and I found this, he said, And 283 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: he got him to admit he did not find anything 284 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: forensically significant in that bedroom that suggested how she died, 285 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: who killed her, if she was murdered, what meant? Nothing 286 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: in there that actually helped prove any case. And he 287 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: had to admit that, yes. 288 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 2: And he also got him to admit that because police 289 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 2: had been coming in and out of that home for days, 290 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 2: that there was no way to be able to prove 291 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 2: any of the blood stains that were found in the 292 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 2: basement on the concrete. When did they get there, could 293 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 2: someone else have brought them in? How do we know 294 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 2: when those blood stains occurred? And whether or not the 295 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 2: crime scene was just completely compromised because of the amount 296 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 2: of traffic that was coming in and out of that 297 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 2: home by police themselves. So he, once again Tipton did 298 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 2: his job, and he did it very well. After hearing 299 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 2: all of this, it actually it sounds awful to say 300 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 2: the testimony about bloodstains can get boring, but after a 301 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 2: while it's the same thing over and over and over 302 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 2: and over again. And then all of a sudden, when Tipton, 303 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 2: I said, wow, shift and energy. He comes in with 304 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 2: the mission and he knows exactly what he's trying to 305 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 2: disprove or at least bring into question, and he brought 306 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 2: it home. 307 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: He makes you sit up and you wonder where he's going, 308 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: what point he's making. And again, I know this isn't 309 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: supposed to be the point, but every lawyer will tell 310 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: you that theatrics it better. Of course it matters. So 311 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: we're listening to a monotonous voice going through this and 312 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: that nothing is compelling at least, yes, it has to 313 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: be entered into evidence. I understand, but man, to your point, 314 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: we almost Okay, time to gather around. We gotta really 315 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: pay attention. 316 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 2: Now because actually, yes, I have to make myself focus 317 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 2: when the prosecution is up, when Tipton's up, I am. 318 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 3: I'm listening intently. 319 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: Again, this is not a criticism, just a reality of 320 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: the experience that we're having watching this thing. So you 321 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: can guess a lot of other people are too. In robes. 322 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 1: We say the reality in our experience. We're not being 323 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: critical of the prosecution, but we are talking to people 324 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: who are someone who has become a dear deer resource 325 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 1: for us here. Recently, Alison Treesel, an attorney with a 326 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 1: lot of criminal defense experience. We were talking to her today, 327 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 1: wrote she did not mince her words about just how 328 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 1: shocked she is and how poor of a job the 329 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: prosecution has been doing on several major points. 330 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 2: Yes, she talked about missed opportunities. Yes, missed opportunities just 331 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 2: in emphasizing certain things that, yes, you want the jurors 332 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 2: to pay attention. You want the Jewis to remember things 333 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 2: like he searched for murder instead of just going he 334 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 2: searched for murder. 335 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:45,719 Speaker 3: There is a difference. 336 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 2: She was even noticing just the decision to be monotone 337 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 2: and to not punch home certain words that you want 338 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 2: the jurors to keep in their heads when they think 339 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 2: about this case and associate with Brian Walsh. 340 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 3: But also just in. 341 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 2: Pointing out some of this evidence and really driving at 342 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 2: home and then following up she said she would just 343 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 2: let things go, and then when the defense made a point, 344 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 2: she had an opportunity to redirect and just chose not to. 345 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 2: She was aghast, and she said she was screaming at 346 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 2: the monitor. 347 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 3: Like why would you not have followed up with that? 348 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 2: So's she was taking us point by point by point 349 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 2: in discussing where the prosecution has repeatedly dropped the ball 350 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 2: in her eyes and has basically handed huge wins over 351 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 2: to the defense that she could have reclaimed had she 352 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 2: followed through with a follow up. 353 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: Someone I forgot about that point about this not even strategy. 354 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: It's almost so many of those searches were dramatic all 355 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: their own. How do you make them boring? They went 356 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 1: through like some of them are so outlandish that all 357 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: you have make the point Like Jesus he said what 358 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: he read like, that's all you have to do. That's 359 00:18:56,280 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: not strategy, that's just that's not a great legal strategy. 360 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: She said. It's just you're not talking to them. And 361 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: I guess reacting as a human being the way we 362 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 1: all are to what we're seeing, you're almost treating it 363 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: like it's nothing and leaving it for them to interpret 364 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: whether or not it's a big deal. When you don't 365 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: act like it's a big deal. 366 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,719 Speaker 2: I think Alison suggested, maybe she was treating it like 367 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 2: it was a slam dunk when this case is not. 368 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 2: Now if you want to listen to our whole interview 369 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 2: with her, please you can check out on Amy and 370 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 2: TJ presents our latest Our latest episode has our full 371 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 2: interview with Alison Triesol. 372 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 3: You should check it out. 373 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 2: She is brilliant when it comes to interpreting what we're 374 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 2: seeing in the courtroom. So it's really a fun episode. 375 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 2: If you're really into this trial, highly suggest you check 376 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 2: it out. 377 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 1: But you had something good? 378 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 3: Oh no, please go ahead. No, I'm just wrapping it up. 379 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, I could talk to you about this 380 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,120 Speaker 1: off camera camera, I mean off mike. 381 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 3: Sorry, were you used to being on camera? 382 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: Off mic? Don't anybody take that and run with it? 383 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 2: Okay, just tolelease, don't no, no, we're hoping to get 384 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 2: cameras in the podcast. Yes, will be broadcast podcast, all right, 385 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 2: So we are going to obviously keep our eye on 386 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,360 Speaker 2: this trial. We will continue to bring you updates as 387 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 2: they are warranted. But so far, every day there has 388 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 2: been a lot to say, so thank you for listening everyone. 389 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 2: I'm Amy Roeboch alongside TJ. Holmes, and we will talk 390 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 2: to you soon.