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Speaker 2: Let's welcome to the newest edition of The Giants Total Podcast,

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Speaker 2: brought to you by Citizens, the official bank of the

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Speaker 2: New York Football Giants.

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Speaker 1: I'm John Schmelk today's guest.

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Speaker 2: I'm very excited for this one because I'm a regular

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Speaker 2: listener to his show, The Athletic Football Podcast, and he

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Speaker 2: is Nate Tye also writes for Yahoo Sports. Uh, he's

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Speaker 2: with Robert Mays on The Athletic Football Show. Does a

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Speaker 2: fantastic job. I'm checking the Bengal card here, Nate. I've

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Speaker 2: had Robert on, I've done that. I've I've had danon

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Speaker 2: since he was publishing The Beast independently, and we're gonna

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Speaker 2: have him on once they let him out of his

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Speaker 2: dungeon and The Beast is out in the week.

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Speaker 3: I think he comes out today. I think think hees

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Speaker 3: dunel like today at daylight today. I think today is

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Speaker 3: the day good for him.

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Speaker 1: So now I get to check off Nate Tyson.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna try to get Diana on at some point

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Speaker 2: before the draft, so really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Man, how's life?

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Speaker 3: Life's good? The Infinity Gauntlet of athletic analysts. Yeah, not

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Speaker 3: I thought, but the athletic analysts, not athletic analysts, because

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Speaker 3: I was definitely I was tall. I am tall. I'm

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Speaker 3: not athletic, but it's good enough to be a quarterback

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Speaker 3: I guess, as we see across the league sometimes. No,

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great. Thanks for having me on. Did We

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Speaker 3: went over some of the subject matter before we were

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Speaker 3: talking about the show, So I'm very excited about what

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Speaker 3: we're about to talk about today and I'm sure everyone

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Speaker 3: listening will find out and it's not probably what they're expecting. No, no, no,

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Speaker 3: but very fired up to be here. Thanks for having

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Speaker 3: me on.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we like to dig deep here. I know you

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Speaker 2: guys like to do that on Theoletic Football Show as well.

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Speaker 2: And again, folks, if you want to learn about the league,

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Speaker 2: and I've learned a lot of of x's and o's

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Speaker 2: from you as well. For the folks that don't know,

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Speaker 2: Nate's background besides what he does in the media, used

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Speaker 2: to be a quality control assistant quarterbacks coach, former college

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Speaker 2: quarterback as well. Wisconsin, so a wealth of knowledge where

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Speaker 2: we want to dive into your knowledge of those two

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Speaker 2: positions and a bunch of others here in Nate. So

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna let you play your greatest hits.

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Speaker 3: First.

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Speaker 1: Tell me why Drake May is your one a quarterback?

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Speaker 3: I gladly do so he is. I keep trying to

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Speaker 3: avoid this word, and the word is prototype because prototype,

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Speaker 3: to me looks like Cam Newton, not someone was playing style,

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Speaker 3: but what they look like. But May, Drake May is

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Speaker 3: the combination that the elite guys in the NFL, elite

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Speaker 3: quarterbacks in the NFL, look like and play like. Is

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Speaker 3: he a perfect prospect at this time? Is he a

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Speaker 3: finished project? No? But he has the potential on the

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Speaker 3: upside to get there. And what that is is strong arm,

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Speaker 3: creative arm. So it's not just a big holitzer throwing

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Speaker 3: looping liner over a linebacker. It's able to maybe throw

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Speaker 3: left handed, if you're into that, if you're into a

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Speaker 3: little amdextrous, ambidextrous quarterback play. But he has that creativity,

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Speaker 3: there's been some qualms with his folk work, but I

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Speaker 3: and he does that with his legs too. I think

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Speaker 3: I can't tell I really like him. I like him,

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Speaker 3: doesn't totally do so. He just there's a lot to like.

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Speaker 3: I've been kind of been throwing up my hands a

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Speaker 3: am I gonna be the only one that likes this guy?

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Speaker 3: Like other people like him? And I think there's a

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Speaker 3: little bit of some league nagging going on, like a

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Speaker 3: I think he could reach that potential.

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Speaker 2: The reason I have Williams ahead of him for me

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Speaker 2: think that can be fixed. I agree, I'm not worried

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Speaker 2: Who knows. You're not as high on Jayden Daniels. Tell

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Speaker 2: I suppose JJ McCarthy and this is probably a longer question,

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Speaker 2: So why don't you answer the Dada Daniels first and

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Speaker 3: You, Okay, I'll start off in saying, is that just

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Speaker 3: It looks like a day three guy. He has sent

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Speaker 3: operate it really well. He's accurate. He understands the offense,

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Speaker 3: He was willing to push the ball when he sees

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Speaker 3: ones that I would bring up is he doesn't work

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Speaker 3: He does do it, and this is the thing, it's

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Speaker 3: a denminminator thing. It's some the best quarterbacks I have

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Speaker 3: found do it a dozen is times a game, eight

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Speaker 3: a lot to come away from that. Daniel's even last

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Speaker 3: negatives with all those players. Hurts last year he started

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Speaker 3: falling off because he wasn't running the ball. And when

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Speaker 3: over the middle, it becomes a lot of io ball

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Speaker 1: I grew up on that.

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Speaker 2: I lived on the next beating or getting beat by Jordan,

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Speaker 3: Of your Yes, So maybe this is the worst place

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Speaker 1: Which had, by the way, which he had.

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Speaker 3: He had two first round picks, the one that's gonna

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Speaker 3: round or next year, a really good situation. And and

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Speaker 3: that's the thing. I don't want to knock him completely go.

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Speaker 3: He didn't do anything with it. He was doing operating it. Well.

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Speaker 3: It's just that I think he had he had a

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Speaker 3: The Lamar Jackson comparisons are so not right for me

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Speaker 3: because Jackson's so creative. Such a creative runner doesn't take hits.

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Speaker 3: It's a step late. It's a lot of like he

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Speaker 3: But it's always just that it's like a hair late,

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Speaker 2: by Nate tie Sorry Nate Giants at six year. My opinion,

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Speaker 2: all four of those quarterbacks can be gone before they

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Speaker 2: pick anyway, and I'm not sure they are in the

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Speaker 2: position from a ross their standpoint to trade a bunch

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Speaker 2: of high picks to move up and get one of

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Speaker 2: these guys unless it's Drake may or Caleb Williams, and

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Speaker 2: the second one's not gonna happen, right, So that's just

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Speaker 2: the way I feel about it. You have those three

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Speaker 2: wide receivers sitting there. Are you good with any of

447
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Speaker 2: those guys? Because to me, they could be the best

448
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Speaker 2: receiver in any wide receiver draft in the last ten years.

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Speaker 2: You know, only know Julio, you know Calvin, you know,

450
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Speaker 2: probably not to that level, but darn close right with

451
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Speaker 2: Jamar Chase level type of player. Are you good with

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Speaker 2: any of those three guys? And in terms of when

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Speaker 2: the Giants get there at six.

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Speaker 3: I am like even I think Harrison Junior and Duneza

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Speaker 3: could go to any team, any situation, any scheme, any

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Speaker 3: role and succeed. Neighbors has a little blemish there where

457
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Speaker 3: I'm like, I just want to make sure he gets

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Speaker 3: to the right spot. But I still think his talents

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Speaker 3: and his upside or as high as anyone. I The

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Speaker 3: one thing with Neighbors is he operates in college. He's

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Speaker 3: operated over in slot more than half the time we're

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Speaker 3: talking with the giants. They've created the whole plane of receivers,

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Speaker 3: So I that's one concern I do have, is like

464
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Speaker 3: not to say he can't play from the outside. I

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Speaker 3: just think that he's and he's actually I was looking

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Speaker 3: some stats on it is actually he was pretty dominant

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Speaker 3: from the outside.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: But it's one of those where it's like can you

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Speaker 3: make a living out there? Because if you can't, then

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Speaker 3: that turns into a whole new issue. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been saying this.

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Speaker 2: I like neighbors better as a player, but I think

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Speaker 2: with Doomsday's an actual better fIF with Hyatt and Robinson.

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Speaker 3: That's it. It's because the duse I could see in

476
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Speaker 3: Josey living on the outside and being fine no matter.

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Speaker 3: I can see him Jay doing any role. That's why

478
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Speaker 3: I like him so much. It's like, maybe he doesn't

479
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Speaker 3: have neighbors as upside, but I still think he has

480
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Speaker 3: a high ceiling. Like I've been calling him super charge,

481
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Speaker 3: Chris Godwin, Daniel Jeremiah calls him Larry Fitzgerald clone. It's

482
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Speaker 3: like those are that's some high praise and.

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Speaker 2: Did everything he really doesn't, you know, maybe one on

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Speaker 2: one press does he separate quite enough.

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Speaker 3: But he's guys because he's he's so strong and he's

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Speaker 3: so fluid. He's just so clean. You don't watch a

487
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Speaker 3: lot of guys there. This clear that receiver Harrison Junior

488
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Speaker 3: is too. Harrison Junior is even better. It was just

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Speaker 3: insane to me. But no, but neighbors. But that's the

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Speaker 3: thing is, I have neighbors as I think my eighth

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Speaker 3: overall prospect, like it's like, I'm not like I have

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Speaker 3: some negatives, but this is guy's ninth. But he's a

493
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Speaker 3: blue chip guy. I know some are higher. I just

494
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Speaker 3: have a couple concerns. But the thing is he flashes

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Speaker 3: enough of the stuff that maybe have a little negas

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Speaker 3: on that I'm not. It's not like a full on

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Speaker 3: red alarm bell. He can't do it. It's just a

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Speaker 3: it's a question mark until I can see him do

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Speaker 3: it in the pros. I think he can. But those

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Speaker 3: three guys, man are just it's like, if you need

501
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Speaker 3: a receiver and you're in the top ten, it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: kind of take them because I think they're blue chip.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: Who else would you or anyone else in this class

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Speaker 2: would you put in that conversation for the giants? I

506
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Speaker 2: know you're a big brock Bowers guy. I'm not sure

507
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Speaker 2: I can do them over one of those three guys,

508
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Speaker 2: Or would you put one of the tackles up there,

509
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Speaker 2: given what the giant situation is at this point?

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, this I've started to go like, man, can

511
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Speaker 3: it giants straight back to like eleven or something like

512
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Speaker 3: that and take a tackle That would make it a

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Speaker 3: little more like I would understand that a little more

514
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Speaker 3: because the Evan Neil thing, I'm still trying to figure out.

515
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Speaker 3: Giants are loyal, like they even if they have new

516
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Speaker 3: stuff that they'll be loyal to, like their draft pick.

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Speaker 2: He's only played twenty two games, including the playoff games.

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Speaker 1: He's barely played more than a season.

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Speaker 3: He's been hurt, hurt and lenses was another thing he

520
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Speaker 3: has experience. I think playing guard, even if he would

521
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Speaker 3: be the world's biggest guard in the world, but yeah,

522
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Speaker 3: I think that thing.

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Speaker 1: His first year at Alabama he played inside a little.

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Speaker 3: Bit guard, right, Yeah, that's what I remember. I remember

525
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Speaker 3: talking to Brandon Thorn about that and the But what

526
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Speaker 3: I look is like, if they can get back into

527
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Speaker 3: those early teen spots, like there's so many linemen I

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Speaker 3: like even more for their setup, Troy fought new Fatanu.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm gonna keep correcting myself on that.

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Speaker 1: I was actually go out of my way not to

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Speaker 1: make you say or Sue Matia, No, I've got him,

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Speaker 1: didn't got down fault.

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Speaker 3: He's Kingsley now for me, But Sue aim at the Tia,

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Speaker 3: I I've gotten that one down because I like if you,

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Speaker 3: if I like the player, I'll learn your name that

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Speaker 3: I've told I've said on our show. If I like you,

537
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Speaker 3: I'll learn your name. If I don't, You're it's Scronic

538
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 3: from the Ramps. I called him scars Guard for three

539
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Speaker 3: years and then finally, finally Robert gave me a chance

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Speaker 3: to say his name correctly, and I butchered it. And

541
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Speaker 3: I was like, he's a role player. He's scars Guard,

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Speaker 3: that's what he is. Get in a Pro Bowl and

543
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Speaker 3: I'll learn your name. But no, these that's funny.

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Speaker 2: Uh No.

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Speaker 3: Last I learned a lot of lesson. I learned how

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Speaker 3: to really pronunciate certain like Nigerian descent, like I've I've

547
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Speaker 3: really learned how they're how they actually pronounced their names correctly. Actually,

548
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Speaker 3: so some of these negatives have been really some growth

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Speaker 3: for me, because trust me, you get plenty of comments

550
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Speaker 3: going like how did you get that out of that

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Speaker 3: and say, I don't know, man, I don't know. I

552
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Speaker 3: promise I read. But anyways, my my sister was the

553
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Speaker 3: English major. I was like a like econ math guy.

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Speaker 3: So uh but yeah, anyways, get back to the offensive line.

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Speaker 3: The math, the math movers. No, Fatanu is one because

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Speaker 3: I think he could stay at tackle, but I also

557
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 3: think he could be a Pro Bowl guard or center.

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Speaker 3: Uh and for a team like the Giants where it's like, okay,

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Speaker 3: we got left tackle and we got a start at

560
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Speaker 3: left tackle, we got to figure out the rest of

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Speaker 3: the spots. That's a perfect kind of guy you want

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Speaker 3: right now we get our best five out there. Does

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Speaker 3: he beat out Evan at right tackle and move Evan

564
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Speaker 3: to guard? Hey, Evan had a really good camp. We

565
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 3: can keep him at tackle. Shoot, now Troy's at guard.

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Speaker 3: That to me is team building. That that is you

567
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Speaker 3: are getting true, true good players at an important position.

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Speaker 1: And I think he tried to do that in a

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Speaker 1: smaller way with the illumin or signing right where he's

570
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Speaker 1: kind of like the backstop it tackled.

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Speaker 3: Okay, in the guard case, that's and that's kind of

572
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Speaker 3: it's kind of the meta right now for offensive line building. Yes,

573
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Speaker 3: you want your ideal left tackle, but for me, it's

574
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Speaker 3: like the other four just like, get these guys that

575
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Speaker 3: can play. But look at the Packers. The Packers move,

576
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Speaker 3: they get these third fourth rounders. Is he a tackle?

577
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Speaker 3: Is the guard? They're like, we like his trades, get

578
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Speaker 3: him on the team, and now when the guy gets hurt,

579
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 3: they're not decimated. They actually can just like, actually, okay,

580
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Speaker 3: we'll plug this guy because he was a guard as

581
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Speaker 3: a junior in college. So it's not like we're throwing

582
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Speaker 3: him to the deep end, you know, but like this

583
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 3: is what the good teams do. But right Tom, that's

584
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Speaker 3: exactly what I'm thinking of when I say that. And

585
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Speaker 3: Jenkins is anover elgend. Jenkins, there's another guy. I mean

586
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Speaker 3: even like I mean they did for years, would just

587
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Speaker 3: take left tackles and move them across the Uh, we'll

588
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Speaker 3: take this left tackle. He's now our center. Because they

589
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 3: want athletic guys now they looked it seems to me

590
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Speaker 3: to go for more versatile type guys, which I like,

591
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Speaker 3: I I full all about, But that's a guy to me,

592
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Speaker 3: that's because if you go to alt or for Shanu,

593
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Speaker 3: those guys are tackles, and true left tackles. I think

594
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 3: I don't think the Giants need one. And now you're saying, okay,

595
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Speaker 3: now we're bumping them to right side. I think they

596
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,719
Speaker 3: both are athletic enough to play right side. But now

597
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 3: we're moving Neil to guard. And that's a lot of

598
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Speaker 3: movement for me for such a high pick that you're

599
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Speaker 3: is that it could. I do think it's not a

600
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 3: bad answer, but it's just a lot of work to

601
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Speaker 3: get to there. As was a clean fit. You can

602
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 3: do it, but you know, are you robbing Peter to

603
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 3: pay Paul kind of thing? But that I don't know

604
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Speaker 3: why I said that right now, but it worked. But

605
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Speaker 3: I think, yeah, so off it's line for there. I'm

606
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Speaker 3: trying to just think like jac Latham. I think him

607
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Speaker 3: as a tackle, even though he looks like a guard,

608
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Speaker 3: I think he's a good tackle.

609
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Speaker 2: Same thing with Wlongo, right, I think were similar. They

610
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Speaker 2: both look like guard, but they're good at tackle tackles.

611
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Speaker 3: Those are yeah, those those two are another good ones.

612
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 3: But again, if Neil can stay a tackle, that's great.

613
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Speaker 3: If you want to mcguart that's not a bad answer

614
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 3: for me finding that. But amarus Min's is a tackle only.

615
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 3: Graham Barton is another one that I won't shut up

616
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Speaker 3: about him on our phone, on our on our pod.

617
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Speaker 3: Oh my god. That's just because of the structure of

618
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Speaker 3: the thing we did. We started at thirty two, which

619
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Speaker 3: is the Barton range, so I just kept going, Yeah,

620
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 3: this guy might be there, and it just became a

621
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Speaker 3: bit like grand Barton's rocks left tackle Duke. I think

622
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Speaker 3: he can stay at tackle, but I think that guy

623
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Speaker 3: is a pro bowler at guard or right tackle.

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Speaker 2: Or for me, I cannot wait to see for every

625
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Speaker 2: NFL team to draft grand Barton or Cooper Dejane.

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Speaker 1: I think it's I think.

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Speaker 3: That's what you can.

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Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be great.

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Speaker 3: I know, just clone them. It should be good. Degene

630
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 3: better tests well. Otherwise I'm ruined. Otherwise I talked about

631
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 3: way too much. I'm trying I temper my takes on

632
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 3: him a little bit until he tests. He should test well.

633
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Speaker 1: I think he should test well. I think you'll be okay.

634
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Speaker 3: He's a freak. I think so too. It was I

635
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 3: know it's the thing with when you play, when you

636
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 3: watch an Iowa defensive tape. It's the most boring thing

637
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 3: you'll ever watch because they're really sound. They're really sound.

638
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 3: They don't blitz much. They run the same coverages like

639
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 3: every snap, and then you watch it and then Degene

640
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 3: never gets targeted, never gets targeted. So you just watch.

641
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 3: All you have to do. All your takeaways from him

642
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 3: are just watching him move and you're like, yep, that's

643
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 3: a good athlete. Yeah, oh good ball recognition there, balls

644
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Speaker 3: going to the opposite side. It's like that's all you

645
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 3: can do. It's like, I don't know what everyone's like,

646
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 3: he's gonna be a safety. I'm like, what tackle like

647
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 3: made you say that? I don't know. I was like that.

648
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 3: That's why I think the type casting act thing. I

649
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,479
Speaker 3: haven't seen him come up with close or anything of

650
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 3: that anyways.

651
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 1: That is definitely typecasting. There's no question about no bad.

652
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 3: He's a corner like and it's like, yeah, I think

653
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 3: he could play safety because of his body type and everything,

654
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 3: and he's strong, but it's like he's a quarter. Look

655
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 3: at a move, he's a man quarter. I don't know. Yes,

656
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 3: offensive line for me, I keep going off a side

657
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 3: frant and then get back to the offensive line. Offensive

658
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 3: line to me is that sweet spots that early teens.

659
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 3: If I were the Giants, I think six is a

660
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 3: little rich for one for what they need because it's

661
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 3: a good problem because Andrew Thomas. But they have the

662
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 3: other spots that they're trying to figure out.

663
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 2: I agree with you. Now for the folks that don't know,

664
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 2: Nate's dad, Mike was a coach. Obviously, big offensive guys,

665
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 2: so you're very into the offensive line. So I'm gonna

666
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 2: ask you this when I do these evaluations, and I've

667
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 2: learned from Shona Horr and David Deal here, I'm close

668
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 2: with those guys. They've kind of taught me a lot

669
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 2: of the techniques to watch for and stuff like that.

670
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: Good one for you, what's the most important thing an

671
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 2: offensive line that can do well in college And what

672
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: are the things that you think they can develop and

673
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,479
Speaker 2: get better at? Because like guys like Tyler guyin right,

674
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 2: great athlete, his hand placement stinks his hands or asside

675
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 2: all the time, and it's awful.

676
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: Can that get fixed?

677
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 2: One of the most important traits that you think are

678
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 2: integral and you can't fix. And one of the things

679
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 2: you think you can fix when you get to the

680
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 2: NFL level.

681
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 3: From a coaching standpoint, the number one thing for me

682
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 3: is the ability to recover. And this is this is

683
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 3: straight learning from my dad. Is it could be a

684
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 3: different type. It could be the long athletic freak. And

685
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 3: they can do things that guys can't do, you know,

686
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 3: with their hands and their length and their footwork and

687
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 3: their ability to cross over but stay balance. It's when

688
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 3: they lose, are they able to make the play? It's again,

689
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 3: it's not making the play negative. Don't fall down, don't

690
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 3: trip over yourself, don't get Okay, the guy beat me outside,

691
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 3: so I'm gonna cross over and overstep, and the guy

692
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 3: then beats me inside and then it's a clean sack

693
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 3: and two seconds or lest the play game we get off.

694
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 3: So that ability to recover. But guys, we usually just

695
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 3: think about the athletic freaks of the world, but guys

696
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 3: that are bad body types that are not or or

697
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 3: not the best athletes. Dion Dawkins is a fantastic example

698
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 3: of this bad body not the greatest athlete of all time,

699
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 3: but his hands are strong, his hands are tight and good,

700
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 3: and he can kind of just use that strength to

701
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 3: use that weird athleticism. He has to kind of always

702
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 3: just stay in line, just always stay and not lose.

703
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 3: And that is just something I just I look at

704
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 3: all the time and kind of on the run game

705
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 3: version of that is again ability to recover if guy

706
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 3: tries to shake you, can you keep your feet and

707
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 3: do not fall down at the end of the play.

708
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 3: And Evan Neil, and this is why I was a

709
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 3: little lower on Evan Neil than other people, was that

710
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 3: he fell down a lot. He was he would finish

711
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 3: a block, whistle blows and he falls over.

712
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: Now I thought those college tap you said that more.

713
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: In the run game.

714
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,239
Speaker 2: I thought his pass protection was okay, But I think

715
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 2: you did see it a little run run game, which

716
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 2: as a guy who was still learning, then I watched

717
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 2: most of his pass pro and I'm like, oh, this

718
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 2: is really good and I missed it bar in some

719
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 2: of the run game stuff.

720
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 3: And that's where that's what showed to me. Trevor Penning

721
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,719
Speaker 3: was another culprit of that, and that's where and this

722
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 3: is all just this is not me observing. This is

723
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 3: my dad just kind of going like, hey, this is

724
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 3: why I look for and I'm like, okay, sounds good

725
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 3: and by the.

726
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 2: Way, the weird thing to me fashion is on the

727
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 2: ground a lot in the run game, which to me

728
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 2: is weird given and how gracefully is in past protection.

729
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 3: And everything he does and even his first two steps

730
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 3: in the rung game are great and then it's just

731
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 3: everything after that. And that's to me. The hand thing.

732
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 3: I haven't figured out whether I hate that or like,

733
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 3: like if that's a huge negative red flag, Like I

734
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 3: just don't know. It's such an outlier, but it's that

735
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 3: where it shows up because his lack of hand size

736
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 3: doesn't let him keep that grip. Like it's this is theory.

737
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 3: I'm just trying. Maybe that's where it comes up, because

738
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, he gets good pop, he moves well,

739
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 3: he's balanced, and also he just falls over. It's like,

740
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 3: but again you have to figure out you Usually it's

741
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 3: a huge negative the guy's a bad athlete or an

742
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 3: athlete that doesn't play to his testing, which is where

743
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 3: you'll see up. So that that's those will be red

744
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 3: flags for me if I just see it over and

745
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 3: over and over and maybe I'll just kind of keep

746
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 3: the top off. And that's actually funny you say that

747
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 3: is why all has ended up being my tackle one

748
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 3: even though you know, man, it's like Seannu was just like,

749
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 3: I fashion you whatever you want to say, but I've

750
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 3: liked to I like him since day one. A shoot,

751
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 3: I almost set some outlandage things this last summer. I

752
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 3: was like, Holy, is this guy gonna be like Orlando Pace?

753
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 3: He kind of he got hurt this year and so

754
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 3: that's why the second half of the year he kind

755
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 3: of throw out. The high state games were in a

756
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 3: Nie sleeve, and yeah, he's awful in that game. But

757
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 3: then there's other games where it's like, oh, okay, Illinois

758
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 3: game early in the season. He had another one in

759
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 3: September Iowa. He looks pretty good in that game too.

760
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 3: But no, that's that's why I dig him. Is the

761
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 3: exact same thing you say, is that lack of that

762
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 3: last second in the run game is kind of just

763
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 3: a little worrisome for a guy that you're taking top ten.

764
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 3: You want these guys to be clean, and I know

765
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 3: there's no perfect prospect, but you want these guys to

766
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 3: the blemishes should not be big red a words. It

767
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: should be like, Okay, we can fix that. Speaking of

768
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 3: the second after your question, this hand usage is what

769
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 3: I think you can fix is that's the number one

770
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 3: thing his hands. And I think a lot of college

771
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 3: coaches and good or bad, is that they don't really

772
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,959
Speaker 3: focus on that. And a lot of guys are they

773
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 3: clamp over. They clamp over like that and they're gonna

774
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 3: get called for holding all the time in the NFL

775
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 3: and or get knocked off by really good defensive players.

776
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 3: So hand usage is the number one thing, number one

777
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 3: thing I see get worked on. Uh. And also just

778
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 3: learning protections is another thing. His eyes is a lot

779
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 3: of these guys are not taught a lot. They're not

780
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 3: taught a lot about drop back protection, like you know,

781
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 3: slides and when you have to forman slide and when

782
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 3: you're pointing stuff out, what the communications for all that?

783
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 2: So I think is a big one with that, he

784
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: lets guys run inside of him and all the time

785
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 2: on on some of those plays, I'm like like, what, dude,

786
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:31,239
Speaker 2: why are you letting him go?

787
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 3: It's so it's dude. A college line play will make

788
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 3: you sad. It makes it makes college line playing, college

789
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 3: linebacker play. It makes you real college quarterback play too.

790
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 3: It makes you really sad. The only thing I usually

791
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 3: get a joy of watching college is watching college running

792
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 3: backs just go off like that. That's a lot of fun.

793
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 3: But there's when you when you get spoiled on NFL

794
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 3: film you get you start seeing like some college line

795
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 3: play happening. You're like, that's the lazy that that is

796
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 3: not what you should be doing, and happens all the time.

797
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,160
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Speaker 2: All right, Nate, let's get to some day two guys here.

803
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 2: If you don't mind, we will go about five six

804
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 2: minutes late.

805
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: Is that all right?

806
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fine, okay, perfect, no problem. I know you

807
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 2: have never gone on never longer.

808
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 3: I've never gotten under on a pod. I am that

809
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 3: if you ever bet over under on be on a

810
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 3: pod over hardest over you can ever bet ever on

811
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 3: the opposite of a service academy game, service academy game,

812
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 3: you always bet the under, and Nate tiepot appearance, you

813
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 3: always bet the over. It's the easiest one you could

814
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 3: ever make.

815
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 2: I love it all right, So let's stay with the

816
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 2: offensive line Day two guards. If the Giants want to

817
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 2: go there, there, you're kind of protecting themselves at tackle

818
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 2: with the lumin or maybe they want to add to running.

819
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 2: They want the long term answer the left guard or

820
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 2: right guard. Who are some of the Day two guards.

821
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 2: And I know you're gonna start with the Yukon one.

822
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,720
Speaker 1: Uh, that's really like set.

823
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 3: Me off your because that's the exact range where I

824
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 3: love him for him to go. Christian Haynes from u COD, Yes,

825
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 3: let's just start with him. A big fan of this guy. Uh,

826
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 3: he's he's growing. Is the hype trains starting to build

827
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 3: a little bit for him. I think Charles McDonald I

828
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 3: snuck him into the Ravens. I think it our mock. Yeah,

829
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 3: we stuck it. But yeah, I mean he tested like

830
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 3: a first round athlete. But Christian Haynes, he's thirty four

831
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 3: of my big board, so I have him. I have

832
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 3: a you know this this great range. He's kind of

833
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 3: the best of my second round graded guys. And Haines

834
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 3: to me is a really good athlete. A lot of

835
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 3: starts at Yukon Man. I feel like zone running teams

836
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 3: are traditional ones, even if for a lot of lot

837
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 3: of teams aren't heavily zone running right now, is that

838
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 3: he's ideal for them? Like he he reminds me of

839
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 3: Shack Mason a little bit. That that would be my

840
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 3: closest comparison. It's like his floor is kind of Lake

841
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 3: and Tomlinson, and I think it's ceiling a Shack Mason

842
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 3: like those are the two guys that he reminds me

843
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 3: of in certain ways. But a really good athlete, a

844
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 3: lot of starts, really good eyes. I would say his

845
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 3: number one negative might be his anchor isn't great. I

846
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 3: would say it's average. He can get blown back by

847
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 3: stronger defensive tackles. But then you see some positives of

848
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 3: that is his ability to recover. Is he can bend

849
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 3: so he gets blown back, and then you see him

850
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 3: almost like doing like a you know, like a clean,

851
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 3: like a power clean, like where he tilts and you know,

852
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 3: really gets a guy underneath the guy. So the negatives

853
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 3: turned into a positive. But that still is a negative.

854
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 3: But man, this guy moves well. His hands are great.

855
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 3: He I've never it's been a long time since I

856
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 3: see a guard that's so good. Such hipster nerd line.

857
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but you don't see a guard with backside

858
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 3: cutoffs as good as him, which is he has a

859
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 3: defensive tackle on the inside of him. You have to

860
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 3: beat me for swearing. Sorry.

861
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: You see, all I'm doing is writing down the time

862
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: codes for my editor.

863
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 3: I'm trying to get so much better about not swearing.

864
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 3: But I just it just comes out of me. But

865
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 3: I've some people are amazed of how I can turn

866
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 3: that switch on and off because I football stuff comes

867
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 3: out of me.

868
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 2: Sometimes I work for a team, and I grew up

869
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 2: in Brooklyn, draws me. I have to turn that thing

870
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 2: off all the time.

871
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 3: My parents are from Yeah, my parents are from New York.

872
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 3: It's just yeah, it comes out of me, and then

873
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 3: I just switch and the people go, man. Then you

874
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 3: get around some suits and it just turns off. I'm like,

875
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I wish I could just yeah.

876
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 3: I'm trying to get the game, trying to read better, Yeah,

877
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 3: to read better. As I said English, Great, I really

878
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 3: know it.

879
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 4: You're ready for a change. Pay Day comes early with citizens,

880
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 4: so go to that retreat. Knew you moves to the country.

881
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 4: Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand. Are

882
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:34,760
Speaker 4: you ready for all that life brings?

883
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 3: But anyways, back back to back to Haines backside cutoffs,

884
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,240
Speaker 3: which is like where a tackle or I'm sorry, defensive

885
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 3: lineman is on the inside of the guard and the

886
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 3: regis the reach block, thank you uh, and he has

887
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 3: to cut that block, you know, get across from it,

888
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 3: get his head across, which can make or break a

889
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 3: run play. That can turn a run play into a

890
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 3: three yard gain into a thirty yard game. It's a

891
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 3: kind of low key import block. Zach Martin's probably the

892
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 3: best at it right now. Joel Battino for the Browns

893
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 3: when he was coming out in Nevada, He's probably the

894
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 3: best I've ever seen at it as an evaluator, but

895
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 3: Haines is up there. He's one of the best at that.

896
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 3: And I know it sounds like a niche thing, it matters,

897
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 3: and I think there's gonna be coaches that like him.

898
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 3: So he's one guy that I wanted. I watched him,

899
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 3: it's like, okay, hey, there's something to you. Then he

900
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 3: does a senior Bowl. He has a pretty good Senior Bowl.

901
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 3: But then he tests and he tested like an elite athlete,

902
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 3: and it's like one of those where it's like you're

903
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 3: checking all the boxes for me. So he's number one.

904
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 3: Zach Frazier, I see as from West Virginia. I see

905
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 3: as a center only, so I don't see the guard

906
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 3: versatility that maybe some others do. So he to me

907
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 3: is like, if you need a center, Hell yeah, if

908
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 3: you don't off the board, that's that's how I look

909
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 3: at If you're picking from thirty two to fifty and

910
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 3: you need the center, take him. If you don't, you

911
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 3: don't even look at him. So I don't want to

912
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 3: waste a lot of time with him. Jackson Powers Johnson

913
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 3: might be in this range because the medicals might be

914
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 3: a little bit higher, But I think, yeah, he's He's

915
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 3: a weird prospect for me because I see the gifts,

916
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 3: I see the movement, I see the size. His medicals

917
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 3: aren't great, and also his hand usage is still has

918
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 3: ways to go. But what do we talk about that's fixable?

919
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 3: Where the giants are at? Do they want kind of more?

920
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 3: I would consider more of a project than people have

921
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 3: kind of type casted him as. But his upside is

922
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 3: there's not a lot of three hundred and thirty pound

923
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 3: guys that move like this and have a mentality like that.

924
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 3: And he's from Oregon, by the way, try to be

925
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 3: better at that too. Name him the school that these

926
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 3: guys are from. So JPJ. He's another one, but this

927
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 3: might be the tail end of his range, but still

928
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 3: might be his range. And that to me is pretty

929
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 3: interesting for the Giants because his upside is a no.

930
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 3: He has pro bowl upside on the inside, but he's

931
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,720
Speaker 3: a true inside only type guy or inside offensive linement type.

932
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 3: I have him at center, but I think he can

933
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 3: play guard because of a size, movement and toughness and

934
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 3: all that. But he's gonna be a little bit of

935
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 3: work in progress. Who's the line coach for the Giants

936
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 3: right now? I totally forgot a new body today.

937
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 2: They brought in a Calmin Brisilo from the Raiders who

938
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 2: was under Scarnakkay.

939
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 3: Guy, yep, yep, he's a Patriots guy, that's right, Okay,

940
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 3: So well, Hans down.

941
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 2: State I believe from college. I think originated from there.

942
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 3: So if he's a Scarnakia guy, those guys are all

943
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 3: about hand placement, so Haines Haines might be exactly who

944
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 3: they're looking at. Another one, Cooper Bebe from Kansas State.

945
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 3: Like him, Yeah, I do too. Weird body, shortest arms

946
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 3: you'll ever built like Spongebossla.

947
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: That's what he is is.

948
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 3: But his testing didn't make sense and then you watch it.

949
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 3: He's a good athlete. He's just he's weird. He's just

950
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 3: a weirdly built dude. But he's tough, he's he's got

951
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 3: good hands. He just makes it work and he's a

952
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 3: good athlete. I like him. H I think he's getting

953
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 3: some looks at center as well, get some work there.

954
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 3: But yeah, just an inside inside into your guy, swing guy.

955
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 3: I like him as especially where the giants are. Maybe

956
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 3: a little later than that, maybe an early third, but

957
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 3: I think he'll go before that. I think the late

958
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 3: seconds kind of a sweet spot, but those two are

959
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,240
Speaker 3: the ones out kind of highlight the most. Like Dominic

960
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 3: Pooney from Kansas. I look, I watch him. Didn't like

961
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 3: him as much as I thought I would. I look.

962
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 3: I look at him as like a late third, early

963
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 3: fourth type.

964
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: Like beef up a little bit if he wants to

965
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: be a guard full time.

966
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and also I thought he'd be a better athlete

967
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 3: when I was watching him. Oh you play tackle you

968
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 3: hear it? And like some some of it's good. But

969
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 3: then yeah, I don't know. He was different than him

970
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 3: I was expecting. I thought they're just like his movement

971
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 3: and and yeah, like he wasn't as good an athlete.

972
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 3: And then it's like, but he also needs size. So

973
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 3: it's like, all right, we gotta get one of them,

974
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:30,760
Speaker 3: get quicker or get bigger.

975
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, as a Day three guy, I actually like Isaiah

976
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 2: Adams at Illinois. I thought he was actually pretty good

977
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 2: at the senior ball. I was impressed by him down there.

978
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 3: Him and Mahogany from Boston College. Those guys that kind

979
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 3: of have in that late third, early fourth tier. Two.

980
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 3: Those are other ones. Cedric Vampan, I think he's the center,

981
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 3: only from Georgia. Uh, those are other ones that have.

982
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 3: Zach Zenter from Michigan is a Day three guy. Has

983
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 3: a ton of injury stuff, so that's that's a concerns

984
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 3: with him. I like him though I thought it going

985
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 3: into the process. He was my guard one going into process,

986
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 3: being last August by default, he was like my guard one,

987
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 3: and kind of others have just leaped frogged him. I

988
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 3: still I still like him. It just he has some

989
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 3: injury stuff.

990
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 1: All right.

991
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 2: Two more categories I want to hit here, Let's go

992
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 2: day two corners. The Giants right now basically have one

993
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 2: starting quarter and Deontay Banks. I think you need more

994
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 2: than that if if you want to be successful. Now

995
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 2: they've gone they're going from a pressman scheme with wink

996
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: to more of a zone off type of.

997
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 3: To everybody else.

998
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: Yes, correct, Now you're gonna look like the rest of

999
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 2: the league. So no, no, And dy've Quoto Flott, who

1000
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 2: I think can actually be in or outside. He's done both,

1001
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 2: so you can go outside, you can go slot, and

1002
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 2: they take whatever direction you want. Some of the day

1003
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 2: two corners that you think could be a good fit

1004
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 2: in this Shane Bowen system shooting.

1005
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 3: They've got Deontay Banks, which is we're happy about that

1006
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 3: he's a baller. Yeah, and that's these and this is

1007
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 3: what's gotten cool with some modern defenses. But also it's

1008
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 3: hard for me to kind of go, what do you like?

1009
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 3: Is some of these defenses so high bred? And I

1010
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 3: think Bowen kind of is. He has some for you know,

1011
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 3: some different influences with his defensive scheme, so like you know,

1012
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 3: his defensive line had some tweeters on it. So it's like,

1013
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 3: do you guys like the Saints are easy. Patriots used

1014
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 3: to be easy. Okay, big guys that pushed the pocket

1015
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 3: don don defensive end drafted, Yeah that's it. Long yeah, okay,

1016
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 3: Jaguars find the guys with the longest arms. Don Packers

1017
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 3: get their receivers over one hundred and ninety five pounds done.

1018
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 3: So like some of these teams, I'm like, I think

1019
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 3: they want this, I'm not sure. So I corner because

1020
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 3: corner is so much about flavor, Like the Giants last

1021
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 3: year taking Deontay Banks made all the sense in the world. Oh,

1022
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,919
Speaker 3: they love living a man. He's a man. Corner done, easy, length, okay,

1023
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 3: all that stuff, and I think I still think they

1024
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 3: nailed it. But to me is bowen. To me at

1025
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 3: Corner likes feistiness like he likes it. So I don't

1026
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 3: know if size traits matter to him. I don't know.

1027
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 3: They might. I don't know if speed traits. So if

1028
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 3: you're looking at the second round, the third round, you

1029
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 3: know Ennis Rakestraw from Miszoo kind of all over the

1030
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 3: place on big boards. He's dropped a little bit for

1031
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 3: me because he's smaller and he didn't test great.

1032
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't run that well.

1033
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 3: No, and it's just he's a better football player than

1034
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 3: he tested. But the realist side of me has to

1035
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 3: remember what he tested like and what his size is.

1036
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 3: And I don't know, you've noticed the receivers you have

1037
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 3: to go against the NFC East, you know, it's not

1038
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 3: like a J. Brown is small or Ceedee Lamb is

1039
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 3: not strong and like you.

1040
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: Know, Harry mclaurin's no good either, by the way, Ter mclaurrn, Yeah,

1041
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: you know.

1042
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 3: So it's a little little I don't know, I don't know.

1043
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 3: I'm trying to figure that one out. So but he's

1044
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 3: one on day two. It's like one of those I

1045
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 3: have to be realistic if you take him a round three,

1046
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 3: good if you're taking them a round two.

1047
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: But he ain't gonna be there in round three.

1048
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 3: No, he looks like a late round two guys. So

1049
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 3: he's he has to be that right sweet spot. Camary

1050
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 3: Lassiter from Georgia. I always yeah, he's I've gone back

1051
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 3: and forth on but he he again might be a

1052
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 3: sweet spot where it's a little layer than early round

1053
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 3: two might be early you know, early round three, he

1054
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 3: might be mid late round two guy. Guys are all

1055
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 3: over the place, with him. I've seen some people that

1056
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 3: consider him borderline first round. I've seen some people that

1057
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 3: certain late day.

1058
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 2: Of course, you know, and and and did you run

1059
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 2: a four to five three? Or did you run a

1060
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 2: four six two? People that got no to god that

1061
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 2: it's both of those numbers.

1062
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: I don't know who to believe Dane.

1063
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 3: I always just trust Dane.

1064
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: Dane has four six I know.

1065
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 3: Done, And I'm with Dane is. Dane has no reason

1066
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 3: to lie. And that's what awesome about days Dane is.

1067
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 3: We don't get a lot of Danes in media. We

1068
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 3: don't get a lot of Danes there in wrestling. It's

1069
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 3: he he's a worker, like I mean, that's not a

1070
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 3: good way to put it. He's a guy that's just

1071
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 3: like he's gonna make the other guy look good always

1072
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 3: like Dade, like he is gonna, hey, you want to

1073
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 3: get your flip in? Yeah, get your flip in? I

1074
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 3: got you all right, you know you want paty or

1075
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 3: all right? Now my time. Dane's the best teammate ever

1076
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 3: and the best best at this I think ever. Like

1077
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 3: he's just so so good and so knowledgeable, so so

1078
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 3: when he he told me it was a slow time, Yeah,

1079
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 3: I'm gonna believe him other corners that we have all right,

1080
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 3: so oh, kaylen King, he's more of a round three

1081
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 3: guy to me. I think kaylen King though, needs to

1082
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 3: go to like Patrick Graham with the Raiders, something that

1083
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 3: runs a little bit gram former Giants, but when we're

1084
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 3: cover too heavy a little more, you know that traditional, true,

1085
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 3: true zone zone heavy. Marvin Harrison Junior knocked his drafts

1086
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 3: stocked down two rounds in one game. Sokaelen King goes,

1087
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 3: I want to match up with him, and just got

1088
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:16,919
Speaker 3: absolutely by the way.

1089
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 2: I loved him last summer. I thought he was a

1090
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 2: late first round pick on my summer scouting, and then

1091
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 2: this year it was just a rough year.

1092
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 3: Taking rough year. He has to be that defense was

1093
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 3: not conducive for him. Again, corners are about flavor. He

1094
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 3: is not a man corner. He is a zone only corner.

1095
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 3: Like that. He I think he has good eyes. I

1096
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 3: actually have talked about maybe shifting him to safety and

1097
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 3: looking at that because I do like some of physicalness.

1098
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 3: I like his eyes. It's just that some guys just

1099
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 3: don't have the gifts to take advantage of those eyes,

1100
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 3: and I think Calen falls in that category. But if

1101
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 3: you're talking round three, this is the type of guys.

1102
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 3: They usually are there in round three or round four

1103
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 3: or even TJ. Tampa from Iowa State. Very fitting name

1104
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 3: because another guy I think would be good in Tampa scheme,

1105
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 3: a Tampa two scheme. But I also think he would

1106
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 3: actually match a bone like a lot of quarter stuff.

1107
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 3: I actually think you'd be okay with that. Especially different

1108
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 3: type of player than Banks, so I actually kind of

1109
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 3: like that having kind of like a different type that

1110
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 3: you can throw out receivers if you're going to do

1111
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 3: kind of things. So he's in these the day two

1112
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 3: corners are kind of again you get into flavors. Nate

1113
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 3: Wiggins might be their early round two, but because he

1114
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 3: tested at one, he's one hundred and eighty pounds, give

1115
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 3: or take. I like his film a lot. He's just

1116
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 3: so he's just so skinny, and then that's just and

1117
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 3: I watched what Happened to Them Manuel Forbes last year

1118
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 3: and that's not going to get out of my brain.

1119
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 3: But I really like Wiggins's film. He might go middle

1120
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 3: round one, but he might follow to early round two.

1121
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 3: So that would be if Nate Wiggins is there and

1122
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 3: they want to take a corner. He would be the

1123
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 3: one for kool aid. McKinstry is another one too perfect.

1124
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 2: All right, So we got about three minutes to year

1125
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 2: and night. We got two more things. I want hit

1126
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,280
Speaker 2: real quick. Favorite running backs in the draft the Giants

1127
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 2: might need one. Let's let's take round two out of

1128
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 2: this starting you know, top round three or top a

1129
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 2: round four. Give me two or three guys that you

1130
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 2: think would be good fits for for what the Giants

1131
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 2: like to do offensively.

1132
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 3: Brian Dable, Oh man, mister Dable. He he wants his

1133
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 3: guys to catch the pass a little bit. I can't

1134
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,240
Speaker 3: believe Singletary's back with him. I think that's so funny.

1135
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 3: But we're talking a round three. Trey Benson might be

1136
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 3: already gone. He's my running back one. I'm not as

1137
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 3: concerned about the medicals as I was before. He's so explosive,

1138
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 3: but he might be gone before that.

1139
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: My thing.

1140
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 2: He only carried him more than fifteen times in a

1141
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:30,399
Speaker 2: game to touch times this year.

1142
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: It's weird.

1143
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 3: It is weird. I know that he to me is

1144
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 3: like I I'd rather him go like the Chiefs, you know,

1145
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 3: like a real good no offense to the Giants. Fans,

1146
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 3: but a team that's already set up and like just

1147
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 3: kind of needs another guy just to take some dozen touches.

1148
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: Geen a big playability with the Chiefs would be ridiculous.

1149
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 3: And you can catch it pretty well, and it's like, yeah,

1150
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 3: I know him. He's won Rodrick estimate might be there.

1151
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 3: I didn't believe it's forty time at the combine and

1152
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 3: then he tested a lot better to pro day.

1153
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: I like his tape.

1154
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 3: I think I like tape a lot. He's got size.

1155
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 3: I think he could eat touches. He's another guy that

1156
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 3: was in a big rotation back, but you could see

1157
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 3: the talent all the time, plays faster than he tested.

1158
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 3: I just like him. I like his vision. He's a

1159
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 3: little bit of a bouncer where he will look to

1160
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,240
Speaker 3: go outside a little bit. He's a He's a finesse

1161
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 3: guy in a big body, which is fine. It's just

1162
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 3: that you have to be realistic about it. Don't use

1163
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 3: them like freaking Derek Henry. Use them in a different way,

1164
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 3: you know. But I like him. He's my running back

1165
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 3: too at this point in time. But I think this

1166
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 3: is the range that he's gonna be looked at. Jonathan

1167
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 3: Brooks from Texas another kind of three down potential running

1168
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 3: back side. He doesn't break the two hundred pound threshold.

1169
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 3: He's also coming off an injury, but he does a

1170
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 3: lot of things well, and I think Dable likes that.

1171
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 3: I think everyone does. Every coach wants a three down

1172
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 3: running back, but he has the potential of that. If

1173
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,879
Speaker 3: they're looking for a guy that's going to eat some carries, though,

1174
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 3: that's from my badger alum, and that's Braylen Allen from Wisconsin.

1175
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 3: Super young, got pretty light feet for his big size,

1176
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 3: but he's just kind of a it's either like him

1177
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 3: or you don't. And I understand the people like him.

1178
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 3: I think his vision's better than people have given him

1179
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 3: credit for. He kept not testing. I'm like, come on, Braillen,

1180
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 3: you got gotta run. Let's see you run, Bud. But yeah,

1181
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 3: but I like him. I was trying to kept temper

1182
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 3: my Wisconsin bias, and I always thought of him as

1183
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 3: like he never put it over the top where he

1184
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 3: had that true, true where it's like extended play where

1185
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 3: he's like looking like that next Wisconsin dude. But I

1186
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 3: think he's actually kind of gotten underrate in the process.

1187
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 3: If you're looking day three, Blake Korum, another kind of

1188
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 3: nice back, does a lot of things well. Undersized. I

1189
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 3: don't know what his hands are because he didn't get

1190
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 3: a lot of usage there, but he grew on me

1191
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 3: as I watch him. He's got good vision and everything.

1192
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 3: He's just undersized and everything. And the last one to

1193
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 3: be Bucky Irving, another undersized running back. I like him.

1194
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 3: I've kind of compared him to Kien and Williams from

1195
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 3: the Rams, where he's not he's smaller, doesn't test well,

1196
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 3: but how was the play Missus Lincoln? But actually his

1197
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 3: vision and how he plays the running back position is

1198
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 3: really good. He has great shoulders and good vision and

1199
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 3: can handle all the different run concepts. He's good in protection,

1200
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 3: he's got good hands. So on day three I'm more

1201
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 3: than comfortable with that round three. Eh, but he's a

1202
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 3: nice I think he's a nice piece. And the last

1203
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 3: one I'll bring up is Marshaun Lloyd from USC another

1204
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 3: guy I'll look at Rolph fourish, but again maybe a

1205
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:17,479
Speaker 3: three down potential type back.

1206
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 2: All right, thirty seconds your Nate, When should the first

1207
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 2: safety get picked and who should.

1208
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: Not?

1209
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 3: Until after pick forty? My guy's Malik Mustafa from Wake Forest.

1210
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 3: I he's a poor man's Buddha Baker and that I

1211
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,439
Speaker 3: really like him. And I'm kind of looking around hoping

1212
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 3: others jump on the bandwagon because I feel like I'm

1213
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 3: on the island. He's a shorter, he's got good size.

1214
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 3: It's like two ten great tackler, best tackling safe dB

1215
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 3: in the draft. Got understands the game and everything, better

1216
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 3: athlete than I think he's been getting credit for. Would

1217
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 3: not take him till after pick forty. So so anything

1218
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 3: after pick forty I'm comfortable with. If you take a

1219
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 3: guy a safety before pick forty, I'm gonna be hitting

1220
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 3: up your blogger and start local blogger, local team affiliate

1221
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 3: and saying, what are you guys thinking about there? What

1222
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 3: did he show that you're gonna take him a pick

1223
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 3: thirty one or thirty five?

1224
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 2: All right, Nate, tell the folks. I think you'll find

1225
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 2: all your work before we say goodbye.

1226
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 3: Uh mostly Twitter, Nate underscore tice. You'll see stupid memes.

1227
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 3: So maybe some football x's and no's every once in

1228
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 3: a while, some wrestling references that no one gets. Uh yeah,

1229
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 3: a lot of little Parka gifts and everything like that.

1230
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 3: Wolf packwo also Yahoo. You can find my writings there.

1231
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 3: And then mostly you hear me at the Athletic Football

1232
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 3: Show with Robert Mayes and now we have Dane Brugler on.

1233
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 3: We'll be rolling to the draft and we'll have a

1234
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,399
Speaker 3: live draft show on YouTube at the end of the month, so.

1235
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 2: You guys make sure you go check out the Athletic

1236
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 2: Football Show. It's wonderful, Nate, great stuff.

1237
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: This is a lot of fun.

1238
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 2: Man. It was good talking some chop with you for

1239
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 2: the last forty five minutes or so. And let's do

1240
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 2: it again soon, all right.

1241
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 3: That's why he's didn't say an hour and forty five.

1242
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 3: But thank you so much, appreciate it. All right.

1243
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 2: That's the Athletic yaho' sport. Thanks for joining us in

1244
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 2: the Giants Little Podcast. To see you next time, everybody,