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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ Buck

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Speaker 2: with you. Buck excited about this episode. Today we've got

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Speaker 2: USC head coach Eric Musselman and not football head coach.

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Speaker 2: I know people thinking, wait, that's Lincoln Riley. We're talking

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Speaker 2: to basketball coach Eric Musselman because I think there's a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's always things to be learned, and DJ, you

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Speaker 3: and I are lifelong learners. We believe that we can

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Speaker 3: learn for people who have success in so many different

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Speaker 3: aspects of business, even in sports. And so with Musselman,

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Speaker 3: really intrigued in terms of how someone who is an

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Speaker 3: NBA coach has become one of the best college basketball

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's tremendous care of you're gonna hear in this conversation.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna hear a lot of football. You're gonna hear

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Speaker 2: about a conversation his father had with the legendary Paul

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Speaker 2: Brown and advice he was giving to a young head coach.

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Speaker 2: And I'm telling you, guys are going to be fascinated

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Speaker 2: to hear all this stuff. There's lots of great stories

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Speaker 2: in here, lots of carryover from one sport to the next.

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Speaker 2: But before we get to that conversation, Buck, we got

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Speaker 2: to handle some business here. It's time for Hot or Not,

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Speaker 2: off the press here Rashad Bateman new contract for the

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Speaker 2: Baltimore Ravens. Someone who didn't really pop till year four.

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Speaker 4: Buck.

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Speaker 2: The first three years kind of underwhelming statistically this last

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Speaker 2: year not a ton of catches, but did have nine touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: I think you averaged almost seventeen yards per catch and

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Speaker 2: really can't settle into a nice role there with the rapis.

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Speaker 3: You just sell into a nice role in DJ you

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Speaker 3: talked about nine touchdowns on the season.

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Speaker 4: Has yet to have that thousand yard season.

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Speaker 3: But what the Baltimore Ravens are gambling on or banking

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Speaker 3: on their banking that he's going to continue to grow

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Speaker 3: and eventually be a high end number two receiver to

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Speaker 3: compliment Zay Flowers. And one of the things that we've

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Speaker 3: always talked about when we work for teams, the importance

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Speaker 3: understand the players strengths wingless is you also know how

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Speaker 3: they fit into the culture of the program and for Babment,

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Speaker 3: even though it was a slow process in terms of

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Speaker 3: he has settled in and have.

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Speaker 4: Been more than a chain mover.

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Speaker 3: I think they are excited to see him continue to

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Speaker 3: grow and progress and become a guy that can give

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Speaker 3: Zay Flowers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a good move. Nice to see

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Speaker 2: a guy get rewarded and sometimes it takes a minute

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Speaker 2: and the light came on and it worked out quite

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Speaker 2: well for the Baltimore Ravens. I think we're going to

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Speaker 2: see more contracts done by the way across the league

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Speaker 2: over the next month. You know, this is just the

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Speaker 2: time of year where some of the stuff gets handled,

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Speaker 2: so we'll be on the lookout for that. That was

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Speaker 4: Buck We teased it.

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Speaker 2: This is a conversation we've been looking forward to having

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Speaker 2: for quite some time. This is a man who's known

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Speaker 2: by his energy, the must bust if you've followed college

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Speaker 2: Eric Musselman, coach. We appreciate to taking some time for

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Speaker 2: us today. First of all, calendar wise, I'm not as

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Speaker 1: Then, well, what we try to do is break everything down.

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Speaker 1: So that's kind of how we use our summer segment.

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Speaker 2: There's so many crossovers. This is one of the reasons

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Speaker 1: Well, certainly, I think the second part of the question

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Speaker 1: But I do think the great players certainly have it.

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Speaker 2: What real quick I want to piggyback on that we

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Speaker 3: Coach basketball in DJ and I both like huge basketball fans.

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Speaker 3: It's so interesting to see the changing dynamic. And so

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Speaker 3: we as leaders always prod ourselves in creating and establishing cultures.

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Speaker 3: How do you do that when it's such a transient

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Bucky, I think it's daily.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's it's because like we never wait on

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Speaker 5: I don't do a head count.

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Speaker 1: a chancey billups quote put an address on it. In

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Speaker 1: other words, in timeouts, I want our players to understand

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Speaker 2: I've heard coaches say over the years, you want a

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Speaker 2: that chair for the first time.

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Speaker 1: Well, this a little bit off subject, but in the

440
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Speaker 1: same realm, DJ so, Tom Thibodau and I are very really.

441
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Speaker 1: My father brought coach Thibodeau into the NBA and I got,

442
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Speaker 1: you know, an opportunity before I was forty years old

443
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Speaker 1: with two NBA teams as a head coach. Tom didn't

444
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Speaker 1: get his first NBA head job until he was over fifty.

445
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Speaker 4: Wow.

446
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Speaker 1: Nobody realizes that coach Chuck Daily really never got an

447
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Speaker 1: opportunity as a head coach until he was after fifty

448
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Speaker 1: years old, and he was a Hall of Fame coach coach.

449
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Speaker 5: And I bring that up because when I.

450
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Speaker 1: Got my opportunity in my thirties, I did not know

451
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Speaker 1: half of what I know now.

452
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Speaker 5: And so.

453
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Speaker 1: I told Tom, I said, when you get your job,

454
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 1: and it became true, when you get your job, watched

455
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Speaker 1: you're going to be an NBA head coach longer than

456
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Speaker 1: I was because he was more mature, h he had

457
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Speaker 1: seen and worked for multiple people. Where I had a

458
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 1: small sample size of who I had worked for. I

459
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,679
Speaker 1: had a small sample size of the superstars that I

460
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 1: was around. And so that all becomes a part of

461
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 1: being a great coach. And so, you know, the one

462
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 1: thing that I would say, you know, for any young coaches,

463
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Speaker 1: you've got to be super humble.

464
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Speaker 5: You got to.

465
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Speaker 1: Understand that that it can be taken away from you

466
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Speaker 1: in a in a in a heartbeat. And then I

467
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Speaker 1: would say, surround yourself with veteran head coaches. I think

468
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Speaker 1: that's really really important. I was surrounded by great coaches.

469
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 1: My assistant coaches in the NBA, David Fizdale who went on.

470
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Speaker 5: To coach three and the us the USD guys, Yeah.

471
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Speaker 1: Guy, Jim Boyling who went on to be an NBA

472
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Speaker 1: head coach. Scottie Brooks was a coach obviously in Oklahoma City,

473
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Speaker 1: and so I had all these great assistant coaches, but

474
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Speaker 1: they were right around my same age.

475
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Speaker 5: And one of.

476
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Speaker 1: Our assistant coaches was was Hank Egan, who was my

477
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: college coach. But then coach Egan had walked away and retired.

478
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Speaker 1: He did the same thing to Mike Brown. He did

479
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 1: the same thing Greg Popovich, and he did the same

480
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: thing to me. He would work for a while and

481
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Speaker 1: then retire and then come back and be an assistant

482
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Speaker 1: with one of his former players. But I think having

483
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: an older coach is super important. I watched the Dynamics

484
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Speaker 1: this year with Jeff Van Gundy on the bench with

485
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Speaker 1: the Clippers and coach tylu and I think that that

486
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 1: stuff is super super important, especially as a young coach,

487
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,719
Speaker 1: because the natural thing is to hire people that are

488
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: around your same age, but they're going to have the

489
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Speaker 1: same thought process.

490
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Speaker 5: I always tell.

491
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: The story Chuck Daily could predict the future, and when

492
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 1: I was young and in my twenties and working for him,

493
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: I couldn't figure out how he knew what was coming.

494
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 1: He would know when when we were going to go

495
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: on a losing streak. He would know which referees we're

496
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 1: going to have a good whistle on the road, to

497
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: which referees we're gonna have a bad whistle on the road.

498
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 1: He could project when our players would be tired. Well,

499
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 1: it was just through experience, and certainly for any young coach,

500
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: I think that's super important to have somebody that can

501
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: project and predict what's about to come around the corner.

502
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Speaker 3: You know, coach, I'm I'm so curious because you've manned

503
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,679
Speaker 3: so many different teams in the NBA and at the

504
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 3: collegiate level. Are you one who believes in I'm going

505
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 3: to build my system around the players. Well, I'm going

506
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Speaker 3: to recruit players to fit the system that I want

507
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Speaker 3: to run.

508
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Speaker 5: Well, I think Budgye. It's two things.

509
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Speaker 1: One, at the pro level, most times you don't have

510
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 1: the it's not your.

511
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Speaker 4: You get what you get.

512
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Speaker 2: As you say to kids, you get what you get

513
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 2: and you don't throw a fit. That's little kid.

514
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Speaker 5: It was awesome.

515
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Speaker 1: It's great for Greg Pofovitz all those years because kind

516
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: of draft and what he wanted and he was you know,

517
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,479
Speaker 1: it was kind of his show both as a GM

518
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: and and coach. But yeah, I would say that as

519
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Speaker 1: a coach in today's professional world, you're going to have

520
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 1: to adapt to the players. It's really all about the

521
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: player strength. It's not about you know, your scheme. Certainly,

522
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: if if players fit into your scheme, that that that

523
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 1: makes it, you know, easier. But I think you really

524
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: got to. You know, you got to whoever you're coaching.

525
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: I mean in our sport and basketball. If you're coaching

526
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Speaker 1: a basketball team that's got a good interior play and

527
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 1: you're a coach that likes to play a free flowing well,

528
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 1: that's you got to adapt obviously, because you know, coaching

529
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: is somewhat overrated, but somewhat underrated.

530
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Speaker 5: What I mean by that is.

531
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Speaker 1: While the game's going on, there's adjustments there's things that

532
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 1: happen at halftime that are super important. But if you

533
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: don't have players that are like have this artistic ability

534
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: to break schemes, you're not gonna win. No matter how

535
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: great your scheme is. It's always about a player who

536
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: can make a play outside of the scheme that really

537
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: takes you to the next level. We all think it's coaching,

538
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: but in reality, it's talent and then how that talent

539
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: is meshed together and how you can kind of stay

540
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: out of the super talented players way. You know, Like

541
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 1: when I coach Gilbert Arenez, it was always about allowing

542
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 1: him to do what he does and never getting in

543
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: his way. And I think that's super super important and

544
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: it's kind of under talked about, and I kind of

545
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 1: see that going on in today's NBA world with the

546
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: Indiana Pacers. Coach Carlisle is a super disciplined player or coach,

547
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: but he's really allowing his teams to play and giving

548
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 1: them freedom with reads and things that are not being

549
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: controlled by the sideline coach.

550
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Speaker 3: I want to follow up on that because you took

551
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 3: me to where I want to go with the Indiana Pacers.

552
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 3: So Rick Carlisle obviously watching him in college because he

553
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 3: was a UVA and I'm a Carolina fan.

554
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 4: But he has always coached a team in a certain way.

555
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 3: He was always more half quarterly in defensive friendly And

556
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 3: now I'm looking at this Indiana Pacer team that seems

557
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 3: to be a drastic departure from what he's always done

558
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 3: coaching wise. Then they're up tempo, they pressure the ball

559
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 3: ninety four feet, they play fast. As a coach, how

560
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 3: hard is it for you to switch styles or switch

561
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 3: schemes when you've always kind of been reared one way

562
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 3: to didn't think about.

563
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 4: Approaching the game a different way. How does that happen

564
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 4: for coach? Yeah?

565
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Speaker 1: I think the way it happens is just, you know,

566
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: studying other teams. Like right now, a lot of NBA

567
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: people are watching, especially for offense. They're watching teams in

568
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: Europe because the ball is moving more. And then quite frankly,

569
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: if you watch WNBA, the ball moves more, the spacing

570
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: is a little bit better. There's not as much isolation play,

571
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: there's not as much defensive loading up because the ball

572
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: is constantly moving, people are constantly touching it. And what

573
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: coach Carlisle's done is he has extended the defense to

574
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: pick up and pressure more, which is also what Oklahoma

575
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: City Thunder are doing. Now watch what will happen next

576
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: year in the NBA in training everybody everybody, because what

577
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: happened when Phil Jackson ran the triangle is everybody would

578
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: run the triangle. Not everybody, but ten to twelve teams

579
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: would run the triangle in training camp and they'd have

580
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: to get out of it. And I kind of bucky

581
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: when I got the King Sacramento King job. They had

582
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: kind of run this elbow action with coach Adelman, and

583
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: we got about ten games in and Jeff Petrie, the

584
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: general manager, called me in and started diagramming some of

585
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: coach coach out of stuff, and I said, hey, man,

586
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: I don't know that stuff inside out.

587
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 5: I can't teach it. I don't feel comfortable.

588
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: I can look at a playbook, but it's got to

589
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,719
Speaker 1: be innate where I really believe in it and I

590
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: really feel good about teaching it. And so I think

591
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: that in order for somebody to adapt like coach Carlisle has,

592
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: he's really got to believe in it. He's really got

593
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: to buy into it. And then what he's done is

594
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: that's what his roster. That's what his talent is suited for.

595
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: And he's been willing to adjust because Rick played for

596
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: my dad with the Albany Patroons. Rick was a super

597
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: disciplined player too. He was all about cutting at the

598
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: right time, and he was not a high gambler on

599
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: offense or defense. And that's how he coached the first

600
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: fifteen And now all of a sudden, it's completely different

601
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: than the way he played, and completely different than the

602
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: way he's coached prior.

603
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is all fascinating to me thinking about you know,

604
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 2: one of the things you mentioned earlier was, gosh, only

605
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 2: one returning player two years in a row. Now we've

606
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: talked about some of the greatest offenses in NFL history.

607
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 2: If you look at you know, look at the Peyton

608
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 2: Manning Colts and look at what the Patriots grew into

609
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 2: later in Tom's career. One of the benefits was they

610
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 2: just kept stacking. You had the same offense, you know,

611
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 2: the same voice in their ear for the majority of

612
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: that time, and they could just keep building and building

613
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 2: and building, and there was so much of a rolodex

614
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 2: of plays and any type they saw a new defense,

615
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 2: they go to the sideline. Okay, we saw this three

616
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: years ago. We can go from there and I think

617
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 2: about a brand new team over here. Do you see

618
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 2: it at the end of the year that you're able

619
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 2: to do things you know that you just simply couldn't

620
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 2: do in the early portion of the season because now

621
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Speaker 2: you actually have some experience together.

622
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Speaker 5: Yeah, for a show.

623
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Speaker 1: I think one of the teams and we have had,

624
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: you know, when I first got to the that it

625
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: was how are we going to be different? Like, we're

626
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: not going to get a five star at Nevada. We

627
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: eventually did get the first McDonald's All American and five

628
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: star there, but the first couple of years we had

629
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: a lot of transfers, so we were way ahead of

630
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: this transfer a game, so to speak, as was Fred

631
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: Hoiberg when he was at Iowa State. Interestingly, two coaches

632
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: that came from the NBA dove into the portal. It

633
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: wasn't even a portal then, but the transfer market. And

634
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: I think it's because that's much like free agency and

635
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: professional sports, and so the teams that improved towards the

636
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: end of the year, I think those are teams oftentimes,

637
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: those are teams that have higher changeover in their rosters,

638
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,239
Speaker 1: because we know, like in November, even this year coming up,

639
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: we certainly should not be the same team in November

640
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: that we are in January. A lot of it has

641
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: to do with when can you really do the bulk

642
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: of important teaching. It's really when your own team's playing.

643
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you can go through all this stuff in

644
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: the summer, but it's you know, the mistakes that are

645
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: made in game with your current roster is really when

646
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: I believe you can really grab the attention of your players.

647
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: And so if you've been together like the Patriots were

648
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: a year after year after year, and you have wide

649
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: receivers and the same court, it certainly your adjustments become

650
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: much easier. And when you don't have that, it becomes

651
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: much more challenging. But you certainly need to grow as

652
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: the season goes on. And I think that's why we

653
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: have had really good March success in the past. We've

654
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: actually played better in the postseason.

655
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Speaker 5: Even this year.

656
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: You know, we went to a tournament called the Crown.

657
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Speaker 1: I thought we played better there than we did certainly

658
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Speaker 1: in November and December.

659
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 3: You know, Coach, when I was young, I just retired,

660
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 3: I read a book from Brick Patino called success is

661
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 3: a choice, and one of the things he talked about

662
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 3: was the importance of conditions, strength and conditioning and how

663
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 3: important it is to a turnaround. In football, the strength

664
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 3: coach is oftentimes viewed as the most important part of

665
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 3: the program because he touches the players.

666
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 4: He impacts it.

667
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 3: In basketball, how important is the strength and conditioning aspect.

668
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 3: Are you able to maybe make up for some talent

669
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 3: deficiencies by having a superior conditioning program that allows you

670
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 3: maybe to play a little differently in those things?

671
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 5: For sure?

672
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: Like in basketball, you know when you look at like

673
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: the best conditioned if you just like looked at the

674
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 1: last twenty years, like the best conditioned team is usually

675
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 1: the Miami Heat. You know, pat Riley had always had

676
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: a conditioning test. Doc rivers teams are usually in great

677
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: condition because he took that heat test and continued to

678
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: use that same conditioning test for US collegiately. Because bodies

679
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 1: are still changing both college football, college basketb ball. Our

680
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: strength coach is super super important.

681
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 5: He is the guy that.

682
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: You know is with our players, especially in the summer,

683
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: the same amount of time as I'm with our players.

684
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: So his voice, his message becomes just as important as

685
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: as as the head coach's voice. And then I do

686
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,240
Speaker 1: think you can change. And we've seen the numbers change

687
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: jumping not much, but but you can see an increase

688
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 1: in jump. You can see an increase in lateral foot speed.

689
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: And then certainly weight, whether it's weight loss or weight gain,

690
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: depending on what a player needs. That is is super

691
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: important at the collegiate level as well. But when we

692
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 1: went to hire a strength coach, I wanted to get

693
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: someone with with pro experience. So our current strength coach

694
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: was with three NBA teams. But most importantly, he's always

695
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: coming up with something new.

696
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 5: He's a new wave thinker.

697
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: We don't lift weights like most program is much more

698
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: of a pro mentality. How we lift, you know, with

699
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: with elastic bands and core stuff, and so I do think.

700
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 5: That you can.

701
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: You've got that weight Room's got to be super super important.

702
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: And then for us, we do a mile test every year.

703
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: You've got to pass it under a certain or else

704
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: you continue to run it. And so it allows the

705
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,919
Speaker 1: guys the eight weeks over the summer to get ready.

706
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: Once we get back together in late late August early September, it.

707
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 2: Is impressive to see how some of these guys are

708
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,439
Speaker 2: put together though some of these colleges, I don't know.

709
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 2: I know, I know you're in the Big Ten now, coach,

710
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 2: but you're in the SEC. We Bucky and I was

711
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 2: talking with this turn of the time we get a

712
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 2: turn time. They have a different weight room for SEC

713
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 2: basketball and everybody else in the country, Like just body

714
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: type wise, as scouts, we can't get away from it.

715
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 2: We're just looking at body types the whole time. But

716
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 2: it does feel like there is a difference in terms of,

717
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 2: you know, what people in different programs are working with.

718
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: No, the SEC is super athletic, super physical in basketball,

719
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: and the Big Ten is very very physical, you know

720
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: a little bit uh size is a little bit more important,

721
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: meaning sized, you know, height wise, whereas in the SEC,

722
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: it's it's reaction to loose balls. It's it's you know,

723
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: a faster paced game than what I've seen in the

724
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: Big Ten. If you just had to generalize.

725
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 2: Is that is going back to your time in the SEC.

726
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 2: Is the reason for like the SEC's dominant baseball, I

727
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 2: mean they got thing half the tournament field, it seems like,

728
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 2: and then look at basketball to rise over the last

729
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: ten years, is this is this is football and origin

730
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 2: there in terms of revenue producing that led to this

731
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 2: or is that totally unrelated? Just so happens that all

732
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,720
Speaker 2: these sports have all come up together in that conference

733
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:41,439
Speaker 2: at the same time.

734
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 1: Well, and so I was in the SEC for five

735
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: years in that time, and it started right kind of

736
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: right around the time that the first league meetings that

737
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: I was part of. Commissioner Sank wanted basketball, uh to

738
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: equal football as much as possible, you know, I mean

739
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: when he when he made that comment, we knew that

740
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 1: football was always going to be king. That's that goes

741
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: without saying. But I think Commissioner Sank, in his own way, however,

742
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: he did it let athletic directors know the importance of

743
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: bringing in maybe coaches resources to men's basketball and and

744
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: and that's what I saw in my time. Every year

745
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: there was a league meeting, I really looked forward to

746
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: when Commissioner Sankee would come in the room. I thought

747
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: that basketball was was was something that that that he

748
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: wanted to be really to grow from where it was,

749
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: because you know, fifteen years ago SEC basketball was not

750
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: anything close to what it is now. And then you

751
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: look at what's happened with SEC baseball, they're sold out.

752
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: You go to Baseball State sold out, You go to

753
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: an LSU baseball game sold out, You go to bumb

754
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 1: Walker Stadium in Arkansas, sold out. And then you look

755
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: at legendary coach that are coaching. You know, in the

756
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: SEC baseball programs. The Vanderbilt coach is a great baseball

757
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: coach to study, Coach Corbin. So that league has done

758
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: a great job. The gymnastics, you know, when you look

759
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: at gymnastics in the SEC, they've done a great job

760
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: with all their sports, as has the Big Ten. I

761
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: think those are the two premiere conferences right now when

762
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 1: you look at athletic programs as.

763
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Speaker 3: A whole, your coach, I want to tap into your

764
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 3: experience because you talked about you know so much more

765
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,439
Speaker 3: now than you did when you were a younger coach

766
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 3: heading the team, and I want to talk about the

767
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 3: tough moments that you ultimately face in a season where

768
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 3: maybe you have a multiple game losing streak or you're

769
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,439
Speaker 3: coming off a disappointing campaign and you're standing in front

770
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 3: of the team trying to turn it around. As an

771
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 3: experience coach, what are the things that you're thinking about

772
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 3: when your team is struggling and you're trying to get

773
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 3: them back on track.

774
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 4: How do you approach those situations?

775
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: Well, Bucky, I would say, like the importance of you

776
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,439
Speaker 1: talked about You made a comment about standing in front

777
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: of your team. So when we moved to San Diego,

778
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: my dad was the head coach of the Minnesota Gophers.

779
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: We moved to San Diego. It's going to be his

780
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: first time ever coaching at the professional level, so he's

781
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: coaching in the ABA, the San Diego Sales. Well, I

782
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: kept come home from school and there's an older gentleman

783
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: meeting with my dad and they're having an in depth conversation.

784
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: I'm on the couch listening while they're at the kitchen table.

785
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: It was Paul Brown, Oh, my dad, And the part

786
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: I heard was for about an hour. Paul Brown was

787
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: talking to my father about the importance of the very

788
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: first team meeting and how there was going to be

789
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 1: a group of professional players sitting there and they were

790
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: going to judge and evaluate how much you could help

791
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: their careers grow and put money in their pockets based

792
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: on your knowledge and the scheme you were going to

793
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: put them in that conversation and then to hear my

794
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: dad years and years later reiterate that conversation and the

795
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: lessons he learned. Every time I go before the team,

796
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: I am prepared. Nothing's off the cuff. Obviously, in game,

797
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: things are off the cuff because things are happening that

798
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: you got to address in the timeout that you got

799
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 1: to address in live time. But if it's a team

800
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: meeting pre practice, if it's a team meeting post practice,

801
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: that stuff's already been addressed in my own mind or

802
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 1: with the staff because of hearing Paul Brown many many,

803
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: many years ago talk to my dad about the importance

804
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: of a player's antenna and how they were going to

805
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: evaluate everything that comes out of your mouth. So, as

806
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: an experienced coach, I think you have a much different lens,

807
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: and it's a longer term lens than as a younger coach.

808
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 1: When you're a younger coach trying to prove yourself, you're

809
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,439
Speaker 1: so much in the moment that you can't see three

810
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: to four games down the road. And Chuck Daly was

811
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: phenomenal that Mike Furtella was phenomenal at that about understanding

812
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: you know, like, hey, we I mean Chuck Daly put

813
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: would put would put a play in for a player

814
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 1: knowing the player was going to fail in a timeout

815
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 1: so that the player wouldn't complain in a future game

816
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: about not getting the ball. So wow, he literally would know, like,

817
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: all right, this guy's being defended by a great defender.

818
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: He's been complaining about not getting the ball in pick

819
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: and roll play. I'm going to put him in pick

820
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: and roll play against two great pick and roll defenders,

821
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: and now I don't have to hear this guy complain.

822
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 1: That's fantastic a lessons that Chuck would deliver on some

823
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: of these things. We had a player that he never

824
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: wanted to sub out in live ball action because he

825
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 1: felt like that player would let's say that the dead

826
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: ball was furthest away from the bench. The player would

827
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 1: would then be subbed out and he could walk all

828
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: the way to the bench slowly. He could be verbalizing

829
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 1: with his lips his unhappiness. So Chuck would diagram a

830
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: play for this particular player, and then before we broke

831
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: the huddle, he would say, Hey, let me give you

832
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: a blow right now and put so and so in

833
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: for you, because Chuck felt like that player couldn't demonstrate

834
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: his displeasure.

835
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 5: For coming genius.

836
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: It's genius. So he literally would sub this particular player

837
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: out in huddles almost every time. He never sent a

838
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: guy down on the scores table to sub in for

839
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: the guy because he didn't want National TV to see.

840
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: You know, he was a genius in every little detail

841
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: you could possibly think.

842
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 2: That is fantastic. By the way, we've got to step

843
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 2: our game up in football. On nicknames, Buck, I'm just

844
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 2: just over the course of this conversation we've got we've

845
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 2: talked about the mayor Fred Hoiberg. In this conversation, we

846
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: talked about the bar of the telestrater, Mike Fotello. I

847
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 2: think baket Ball's got us a nickname, and the.

848
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: Player I'm talking about the coach didn't want to sub out.

849
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: I don't mind saying it because he's a friend of

850
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 1: mine now, but that was mad Max.

851
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 4: It's fantastic.

852
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 2: I can understand that one. I think I remember seeing

853
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 2: some of those over the years on Vernon Maxwell. Last

854
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 2: one from me, coach, I'll let Bucky hit you at

855
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 2: the final one. But we've talked forever. I know in scouting,

856
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 2: Bucky and I have told the story about seeing Antonio

857
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 2: Gates early in training camp that first year with the

858
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,439
Speaker 2: Chargers when we were out scouting preseason games, and we've

859
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: seen you know, Tony Gonzalez. There is a long list

860
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 2: of successful basketball players that have crossed over. I feel

861
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 2: like we haven't seen as much of it lately. And

862
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 2: I pose this question to someone on the basketball side,

863
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 2: and they said, because these guys can go to Europe

864
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 2: and make so much money that that's kind of been

865
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 2: the barrier to entry of Like, man, I'm gonna try

866
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 2: you in this NFL thing, but man, I've got this,

867
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 2: this this contract waiting for me overseas. Is there a

868
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 2: way we can get it going again? Can we do

869
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 2: something to get this funnel of these six foot five

870
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 2: post players that have no future in the in the NBA,

871
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 2: get him back over to football.

872
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:03,959
Speaker 5: I hope.

873
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: So we had actually Simeon Rice's son, Jordan Caroline, played

874
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Speaker 1: for me. He was an unbelievable basketball player. Jordan was Uh.

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Speaker 1: Simeon thinks he's a great basketball player. He still plays,

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Speaker 1: but Jordan.

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Speaker 5: Was a great college player.

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Speaker 1: He worked out and played on the Lakers summer league

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Speaker 1: team and then he went overseas. But he would have

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Speaker 1: been I think he could have been an Antonio Gates

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Speaker 1: type player. I think he could have been an All

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Speaker 1: Pro football player. But he's been playing over in Italy

883
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Speaker 1: and Spain. He's actually got a house over there and

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Speaker 1: live in a great life. But that is why guys

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Speaker 1: won't do it. Jordan just didn't didn't want to try

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Speaker 1: the the NFL route. He wanted to try NBA and

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Speaker 1: then go overseas. But we had a player a couple

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Speaker 1: of years ago at Arkansas by the name of Trey Wade,

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Speaker 1: and he actually tried out with two NFL teams. His

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Speaker 1: knowledge of run past patterns and stuff was just too

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Speaker 1: far behind.

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Speaker 5: But from a at.

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Speaker 1: Least the feedback I got from the two NFL teams,

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Speaker 1: where that is athleticism, strength, toughness, all of that, he

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Speaker 1: actually could have probably been a starter based on talent,

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Speaker 1: but he just lacked understanding what the position.

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Speaker 5: You know, like, the longer he was.

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Speaker 1: There and the more detail oriented the training camp became,

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Speaker 1: the less impactful he has gained.

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Speaker 5: Translated.

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Speaker 4: It goes last thing.

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Speaker 3: I just would love one nugget of advice that you

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Speaker 3: would give to any aspiring coach, something that someone passed

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Speaker 3: along to you that you feel compelled to share with

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Speaker 3: the next generation of aspiring coaches.

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Speaker 1: Well, this probably doesn't this doesn't have to do with

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Speaker 1: necessarily just being a head coach. But when I was

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Speaker 1: in elementary school, my mom would pack my lunch in

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Speaker 1: a brown paper bag. She put the turkey sandwich and

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Speaker 1: the lazed potato chips and before she you know, finished pack.

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Speaker 1: And my dad would always write effort, energy, enthusiasm every

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Speaker 1: single day, you know. And I got the junior high

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, Dad, I don't want to walk around

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Speaker 1: with the brown bag that says effort, energy, and enthusiasm.

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Speaker 1: But he did it all the way until I got

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Speaker 1: to high school. And then at that point I said,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna buy my lunch instead.

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Speaker 5: Of bringing that paper. That's that's the one.

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Speaker 1: That's the one thing that we talk to our team about.

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Speaker 1: I talked to our coaching staff just you know, if

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Speaker 1: you can bring energy, bring enthusiasm, and bring effort, and

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Speaker 1: then the fourth E is always execution. Those four e's

923
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Speaker 1: are are super impactful to our program and anybody associated.

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Speaker 1: You know, even in my house, like my wife, she

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Speaker 1: knows she's got to bring energy every day, bring enthusiasm,

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Speaker 1: my daughter. That's just kind of how we how we

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Speaker 1: live our life or try to.

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Speaker 2: We both worked with your wife, and we know unbelievable,

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Speaker 2: unbelievable person with unbelievable energy. By the way, the next

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Speaker 2: at least from our standpoint, being around her, the next

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Speaker 2: bad day where she's not smiling will be the first fly.

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Speaker 2: So fun to be around. She never had a bad day.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, anyway, and she's my best recruiter.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I bet she is.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, your daughter, we feel like just

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Speaker 2: just from keeping up with you guys over the years,

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Speaker 2: I feel like I've watched her completely grow up, and

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know how in the world she's

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Speaker 2: so big now. I feel like I'm five years old.

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Speaker 5: I'm one DJ.

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Speaker 1: This is super this is this is tough on a coach, right,

943
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Speaker 1: Like all these NCAA tournament runs, my daughter gets hired,

944
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Speaker 1: you know, to do like some of their social media

945
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Speaker 1: some way, shape or form. And so the last two years,

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Speaker 1: like this year, we get like halfway through the year

947
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Speaker 1: and we haven't made the tournament. The last two years,

948
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Speaker 1: she goes, Dad, this is January, are we gonna make

949
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Speaker 1: the NCAA tournament? All she cares about is getting FaceTime during.

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Speaker 4: Well, she's sneaking ahead. Man. She can.

951
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Speaker 2: Hey, she can do whatever the heck she wants to go.

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Speaker 2: With the experience that she's got growing up, she's gonna

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Speaker 2: be I'll bet on that one. I'll sign up to

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Speaker 2: be her agent. Just let me know when that job

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Speaker 2: will come available. Hey, Coach, this is I mean, this

956
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Speaker 2: is one of the things I love about. We've just

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Speaker 2: got pages and pages and notes here that help us

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Speaker 2: not only as people in the sports world, but I

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Speaker 2: think there's some great nuggets in here in life in general.

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Speaker 2: So we're big fans of yours and we really appreciate

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Speaker 2: all the time you gave us today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, DJ Bucky, Thanks, it's awesome joining you guys.

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Speaker 4: Appreciate it. Man, Thanks Coach.

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Speaker 5: Thanks guys,