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Speaker 1: Together, Trump's candidates constitute an attempt to wreck the American government.

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Speaker 2: All three of Trump's.

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Speaker 1: Most high profile picks, Tulca Gabbard, Pete Hegsath, and Matt Gates,

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Speaker 1: are defined publicly both by the things they've said in

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Speaker 1: them to lead those agencies. Here, says Steve Bannon, reacted

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Speaker 1: to the choice of Matt.

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Speaker 3: Gates as ag Mad Gates is the fiercest of the

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Speaker 4: He is the firebrand of firebrands.

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Speaker 5: He's going to hit the Department of Justice with a blowtorch,

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Speaker 5: and dad blowtorch is a guy named Mad Gates.

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Speaker 1: Still a lot of things about Bannon, but at least

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Speaker 1: he says it all out loud, right, and he's.

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Speaker 2: Been saying it for years.

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Speaker 1: Trump's picks are part of this project that Bannon has

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Speaker 1: described four years now publicly as the destruction of the

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Speaker 2: Here he is making that point earlier. Today, we're going

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Speaker 5: Of these institutions down to the ground, because you know

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Speaker 5: why they need to be burned down to the ground.

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Speaker 6: I think that the first time that Steve Bannon ever

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Speaker 6: destruction of it.

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Speaker 4: But I think the first time.

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Speaker 6: He said it out loud to everybody in the world

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Speaker 6: was in February of twenty seventeen at Seapac where he

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Speaker 6: I think it was previous talking to Bannon, and Bannon

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Speaker 6: talked about nationalism in terms of foreign pols, he talked

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Speaker 6: administrative state. And you know, it's a the one thing

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Speaker 6: Steve is not only someone who's been saying this out

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Speaker 6: loud for ever, for you know, through that entire from

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Speaker 6: prat Trump's out office. He's also someone who is, unlike

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Speaker 6: Donald Trump, an extraordinarily well read and sophisticated thinker. And

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Speaker 6: when I say sophisticated, I don't want anybody to think

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Speaker 6: terms of some of these thoughts, but I mean he

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Speaker 6: is someone who has thought a lot about this stuff.

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Speaker 6: He's read his he's read his Lenin and that's what

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Speaker 6: this is. Really, it's a Leninist project. And I think

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Speaker 6: to your point, Nicole, I think there's a lot of

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Speaker 6: it's also really importantly these are tests of the.

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Speaker 6: It is not a coincidence that Trump dropped the Matt

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Speaker 6: Gats announcement to basically break up John Thune's welcome party,

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Speaker 6: put in this job. Now, mister Thune, pass him please.

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Speaker 4: This is the primal screen of a dying regime.

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Speaker 3: Pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval on

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Speaker 3: these people. You've not got a free shot on all

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Speaker 3: these networks lying about the people.

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Speaker 4: The people have had a belly full of it. I

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Speaker 4: know you don't like hearing that. I know you're trying

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Speaker 4: to do everything in the world to stop that, but

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Speaker 4: you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

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Speaker 2: And where do people like that go to share the

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Speaker 6: I wish in my soul, I wish that any of

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Speaker 6: these people had a conscience.

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Speaker 4: Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

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Speaker 7: If that answer is to save my country, this country

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Speaker 4: Wom he's your host, Stephen Kba.

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Speaker 3: It's Monday, eighteen November, Year of the Lord, twenty twenty four. Okay,

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Speaker 3: we're going to have Jeff Clark is going to do

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Speaker 3: big fight is the confirmation fight. They're getting to the

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Speaker 4: Clark's here on this.

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Speaker 3: I guess what they're taking to be a radical idea

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Speaker 3: where he would put some of these nominees forward. Of course,

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Speaker 3: a firestorm, a Capitolhill day. Really Pete hexth In at

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Speaker 4: I've got Julie Kelly here.

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Speaker 3: The NBC News is doing some amazing reporting on the

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Speaker 3: So and also we're going to go to Silicon Valley

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Speaker 3: talk Venture Cap Brian Castella is going to be here

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Speaker 3: Honored to have Nicole Shanahan join us. She was a

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Speaker 3: vice presidential candidate with RFKA, came forward in supported President Trump. Nicole,

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Speaker 3: make America Healthy again. A huge aspect of that that

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Speaker 3: on this that merger. When we talk about make America

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Speaker 4: Walk us through your construct, ma'am.

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Speaker 8: First, thanks for having me, Steve. It's a real honor

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Speaker 8: to be here on your show. Well, it's going down

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Speaker 8: right now. The nomination for head of the USDA is

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Speaker 8: happening right this moment, and there's an opportunity for the

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Speaker 8: first time ever to get somebody in there who's a

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Speaker 8: I came to agriculture through a very narrow lens of

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Speaker 9: So you can't talk.

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Speaker 8: About any of these really big issues like inflation or

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Speaker 3: Program, food stamps and very healthy hanger A second, as

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Speaker 9: I don't think so.

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Speaker 8: I've looked at the science, and when you take care

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Speaker 3: You've you've got a foundation, you have a venture capital fund.

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Speaker 4: They're not really buying food, they're buying food.

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Speaker 8: you know, frying French fries and seed oils. It would

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Speaker 8: be much better if we could fry our French fries

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Speaker 8: and beef tallow or coconut oils. I mean, there's so

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Speaker 8: many there's so much we can do and innovate around

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Speaker 8: in terms of healthier food.

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Speaker 9: Science, especially at scale.

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Speaker 8: And especially with you know, these branded American nostalgic things

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Speaker 8: like I grew up eating happy meals. So but to

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Speaker 8: answer your question, uh, you know, check me out on X.

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Speaker 9: I am very very active on X.

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Speaker 8: Many of the posts, majority of the posts are my

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Speaker 8: own and that's me just you know, sharing what my

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Speaker 8: heart wants to share and getting information out there in

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Speaker 8: a timely way.

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Speaker 4: Back to People podcast, we'll put the other ones on. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: thank you youle Shanahan. Honor have you on here, ma'am.

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Speaker 4: He's your host. Stephen K bab Welcome back.

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Speaker 3: Jeff Clark joins me, Jeff, Julie can Julie Kelly in

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Speaker 3: a moment. NBC News is reporting that Mary Garland was

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Speaker 3: stunned and shocked about five November's results.

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Speaker 4: And that their senior lawyers in the.

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Speaker 3: Justice Department were weeping openly about the results.

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Speaker 4: And now they're all panicked.

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Speaker 3: They're checking their passports, they're lorrying up. They say, we

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Speaker 3: didn't do anything wrong, but Trump and these evil people

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Speaker 3: like Jeff Clark are coming after so and Matt Gates,

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Speaker 3: your thoughts.

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Speaker 11: Are Look, Steve, I spent a total of six and

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Speaker 11: a half plus years at the Justice Department in two

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Speaker 11: different presidential administrations. I can tell you and the audience

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Speaker 11: with great assurance that at no point did I ever

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Speaker 11: break down weeping about any election results or even any

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Speaker 11: case results were supposed to be adults at this point, right,

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Speaker 11: I was about to say, men. Uh, And I recognize

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Speaker 11: that maybe that's a little bit uh, you know, too

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Speaker 11: male centric. But still, look, I think these reports are

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Speaker 11: amazing and that they show the nature of the people

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Speaker 11: who've come in under the Democrat umbrella. And you know,

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Speaker 11: I don't have a lot of sympathy for them. I

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Speaker 11: hear that they're making arguments of, you know, well, we're

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Speaker 11: going to have to be bedeviled by lawsuits and law

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Speaker 11: fair et cetera.

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Speaker 4: Well, welcome to the club.

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Speaker 11: I've spent the last four years being bedeviled by those

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Speaker 11: things just for doing my job at the Justice Department.

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Speaker 11: And uh, you know, if there is some uh turn

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Speaker 11: about on that from the new Congress, uh, and from

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Speaker 11: any investigations that might take place, you know, that's what

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Speaker 11: they signed up for when they started weaponizing the Justice

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Speaker 11: Department against their political opponents.

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Speaker 3: Deeve Walkers, through's pretty they're they're freaking out.

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Speaker 4: About this proposal you put forward.

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Speaker 3: To actually get to get to that point, we got

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Speaker 3: to get Matt Gates and Todd Blanche and people actually

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Speaker 3: in the Justice Department, and all day long they're talking about, oh,

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Speaker 3: they're going to block this. Although it's pretty evident. No

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Speaker 3: other Republican congressmen have come forward. But first of all,

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Speaker 3: I don't think anybody's come forward and said they actually

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Speaker 3: will not vote for Matt Gates Murkowski. I think Collins

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Speaker 3: have indicated that he's got a tough sell. But walk

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Speaker 3: us through and if Denver can put up his report

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Speaker 3: at least the eight pager, and we have, I guess

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Speaker 3: at thirty seven, walk us through this eight pager, because

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Speaker 3: there's two things out there now. President Trump's talked about

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Speaker 3: this Act of nineteen ninety eight that he's prepared to use,

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Speaker 3: and you're offering him another alternative in case we can't

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Speaker 3: go through the normal process of advice and consent in

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Speaker 3: the Senate to get his nominees across the finish line.

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Speaker 11: Let me start, if I could steve by talking about

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Speaker 11: English law. So the English king had two sets of powers.

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Speaker 11: Eventually the parliament made in roads against the first one especially,

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Speaker 11: but the king could have the power to dissolve the

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Speaker 11: parliament or to suspend it or what was called pro rocket.

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Speaker 11: And the Framers, in their wisdom, you know, completely appropriate,

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Speaker 11: since they wanted to have three standing branches of government

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Speaker 11: that were coequal, they denied to the president the analog

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Speaker 11: of the power to dissolve Congress. It's a body that

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Speaker 11: continues in existence from election to election. President doesn't have

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Speaker 11: the power to do that, but they decided that some

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Speaker 11: form of the power to pro rog essentially would be

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Speaker 11: conferred on the president. But they put another check in

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Speaker 11: balance on it, Steve. They put on it the idea

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Speaker 11: that the president can order the two Houses of Congress

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Speaker 11: into a recess if the two houses disagree about each

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Speaker 11: other with each other as to whether to go into

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Speaker 11: that recess. And so if that disagreement between the houses exists,

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Speaker 11: the president can send them into recess for as long

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Speaker 11: as he sees fit. And there are arguments floating around

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Speaker 11: from the Wall Street Journal, from Ed Whalen for The

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Speaker 11: National Review.

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Speaker 4: From Andy McCarthy, Hey, every second.

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Speaker 3: The Republic's been around the constitutions at two hundred and

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Speaker 3: thirty five years old. We're coming up next April, folks,

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Speaker 3: the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary.

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Speaker 4: So that's a quarter of a millennium of the shot

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Speaker 4: heard around the world.

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Speaker 3: Lexington and Concord next, nineteen April twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 4: Has this ever been even talking about?

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Speaker 3: Has it ever been tried anywhere in any presidency and

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Speaker 3: has it even been discussed what you're call what you're

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Speaker 3: talking about, Well, where one house would say I want

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Speaker 3: to go in recess, the other house wouldn't, and the

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Speaker 3: president can use that one house saying they want to

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Speaker 3: go into recess.

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Speaker 4: So this this kind of is a reveal.

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Speaker 3: But why Mike Johnson, who has nothing to do with

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Speaker 3: confirmations said.

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Speaker 4: At the out of the blue, oh, well.

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Speaker 3: I support the recess nominations process. So Johnson could put

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Speaker 3: the House into recess and Trump could use that house

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Speaker 3: recess to force the Senate to force if Mitch McConnell

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Speaker 3: and John Dune didn't want to do it, to force

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Speaker 3: the House into a recess and didn't put his nominee.

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Speaker 11: Or short answer is yes. And what the President's given

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Speaker 11: in the Constitution is a tie breaking power. If the

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Speaker 11: two houses disagree with each other, the president can send

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Speaker 11: them both into recess.

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Speaker 4: Is that in the Constitution, That.

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Speaker 11: Is in the article about adjournments, And it goes to

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Speaker 11: you know normally, right, the houses decide for themselves when

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Speaker 11: they're in session.

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Speaker 3: Well, the Senate has not been out, was never out

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Speaker 3: of session. The entire first Trump presidency. Mitch McConnell did

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Speaker 3: not trust. This was the only reason he did that

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Speaker 3: was because he did not trust Trump to slide in

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Speaker 3: a couple of nominations.

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Speaker 11: Correct, They created this pro forma process where they basically

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Speaker 11: gabble themselves in and they were supposedly in session, but

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Speaker 11: they really weren't in session. But the Spring Court upheld

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Speaker 11: that in this case called Noel Canning versus the NLRB.

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Speaker 11: And so, you know, now it's well established that the

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Speaker 11: Senate can use these pro forma adjournments and they're not

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Speaker 11: you know, pro forma coming into session when they're actually

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Speaker 11: not there doing business. The Obama administration tried to say

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Speaker 11: that during those you know sessions where they're really not available,

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Speaker 11: they're actually in recess and therefore President Obama had the

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Speaker 11: recess appointment power. But the Spring Court disagreed. They said

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Speaker 11: that as we read the Constitution in its history, a

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Speaker 11: recess of three days or less is clearly insufficient to

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Speaker 11: trigger the recess appointment power. For recesses ten days and longer,

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Speaker 11: they said that that is long enough, then the power

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Speaker 11: definitely exists in the president. And then they said that

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Speaker 11: recess is essentially between the three days and the ten

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Speaker 11: days presumptively are not long enough in order for the

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Speaker 11: president to use the power. So if the president wants

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Speaker 11: to use the power and not have it be questioned,

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Speaker 11: a recess has to last ten days or longer.

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Speaker 4: And what required?

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Speaker 3: And that could the House say I want a ten

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Speaker 3: day recess and the House in the press and the

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Speaker 3: President can force the Senate into a ten day recess,

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Speaker 3: and then he can put certain of his nominees through.

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Speaker 11: Yes, and so here are the response arguments.

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Speaker 4: Whalen is it Wheelan or Whalen Whalen? Ed Whalen at.

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Speaker 3: National Review put up a National Review online Yes, Ed

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Speaker 3: Whalen disagreed with you.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and who is Ed Whalen.

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Speaker 11: Ed Whalen was at the Office of Legal Counsel at

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Speaker 11: the Justice Department.

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Speaker 3: So obficely Legal Counsel is the internal law firm for

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Speaker 3: the Justice Department. It kind of writes the opinion leeds.

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Speaker 3: When we give them an executive order, they write essentially

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Speaker 3: opinion letter and helps with the make sure it's constitutional correct.

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Speaker 3: They are very serious people. Yes, and indeed other Whalen

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Speaker 3: is a very serious individual.

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Speaker 7: He is.

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Speaker 11: Yes, you know him, I do, Yeah, I've worked with him,

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Speaker 11: and you know, I think he's he's a good guy.

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Speaker 11: I sort of tweeted about him today. Look, you know,

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Speaker 11: at our kids had even played together at one point

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Speaker 11: when we were both younger, and we went, you know,

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Speaker 11: mutual friend. All of our kids were playing out in

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Speaker 11: the house in Arlington. And he's a very smart guy,

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Speaker 11: like I. I appreciate him, but I.

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Speaker 4: Think take you to task on this. I was around

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Speaker 4: the edges.

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Speaker 11: I think maybe he thinks he did, but I didn't

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Speaker 11: think it was a very effective response. So one of

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Speaker 11: his responses, which he had launched before me, and now

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Speaker 11: then he kind of used it and put it in

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Speaker 11: motion against me as well, is this idea that there

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Speaker 11: would not be a disagreement between the houses about recess,

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Speaker 11: but rather the Senate would simply decide to stay in session.

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Speaker 11: So this seems to me to be quite a semantic argument, Steve.

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Speaker 11: So let me indulge your viewers and you to use

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Speaker 11: what one of my law professors used to call a

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Speaker 11: homely analogy, by which he would mean he would try

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Speaker 11: to take some complicated legal subject and turn it into

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Speaker 11: something everyone could understand. So I'm going to blast back.

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Speaker 11: I'm twelve years old. I'm over a friend's house and

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Speaker 11: we're shooting baskets, you know, against the backboard on his driveway,

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Speaker 11: and I say, hey, you know, this has been fun,

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Speaker 11: but why don't you come over to my house and

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Speaker 11: we'll play air hockey. And you know, he says, no,

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Speaker 11: I want to keep playing basketball and shot the shoot

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Speaker 11: the hoops.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 11: Well, what Ed is saying is that, you know, there's

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Speaker 11: essentially an agreement about disagreement about whether to keep shooting hoops.

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Speaker 11: There's not a disagreement about whether to go over to

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Speaker 11: my house and play air hockey.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 11: But in reality, they're just the flip side of each other.

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Speaker 4: Right, A recess and a.

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Speaker 11: Continuance of the Senate in session are just you know, binaries,

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Speaker 11: like two different sides of the same coin. So to

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Speaker 11: say that it's a dispute about staying in session versus

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Speaker 11: in recess, it's inherently a dispute about whether to take

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Speaker 11: a recess. Therefore, if the two houses disagree, whatever the

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Speaker 11: Senate tries to say, like, well, we're disagreeing with you

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Speaker 11: about a recess, we just want to stay in session.

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Speaker 11: I don't think that's going to be good enough to

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Speaker 11: stop the President from using this power if he wants to.

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Speaker 3: Your scheme or your proposal here to the president, would

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Speaker 3: you use it after he tried what was the act

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Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety eight that today he actually said, if

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Speaker 3: I believe he sent it on a true social or said,

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Speaker 3: if John Thune does not move my candidates, my nominees

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Speaker 3: through quickly on an orderly process, I will use this

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Speaker 3: what the Avoidance Act of nineteen.

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Speaker 11: Ninety eight, So that statue's called the Federal Vacancy's Reform

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Speaker 11: Act Steve the FBRA, and it arose out of disputes

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Speaker 11: at the Civil Rights Division forever without Senate confirmation. And

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Speaker 11: so they put this act in place. But before I

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Speaker 11: kind of unpack that act a little bit, let me say, look,

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Speaker 11: whenever you're dealing with relationships between the political branches, you're

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Speaker 11: dealing with the situation in which, uh, you know, deals

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Speaker 11: can be made, right, in which arrangements can be struck.

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Speaker 11: Maybe the President talks to the Senate and he uh,

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Speaker 11: you know, lead senators, and there are few people that

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Speaker 11: he wants to try to get recess appointed. Uh you know,

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Speaker 11: maybe and there are others that he makes an agreement,

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Speaker 11: you know, they'll go through the.

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Speaker 4: Full process or whatever.

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Speaker 11: These these kinds of things may be taking place behind

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Speaker 11: the scenes, and I think the framers anticipated that before

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Speaker 11: you go to the cudgels about something that might actually

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Speaker 11: show up in the courts, you exercise those softer persuasive, uh,

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Speaker 11: you know tools that you have. All right, So now

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Speaker 11: about the federal vacancies or formats.

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Speaker 4: So hey, hey, because they're going to go to break,

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Speaker 4: you can stick around right sure?

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Speaker 3: What the what the left is saying on TV and

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Speaker 3: the Democrats.

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Speaker 4: Are that these appointments are in your.

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Speaker 3: Face to actually take the government and start to tear

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Speaker 3: it apart, and they defenders of the established order are

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Speaker 3: Senate basically being the Human Resources Department, And that the

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Speaker 3: FVR option to President Trump I think tweeted out earlier,

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Speaker 3: and that Jeff Clark's idea are kind of these radical

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Speaker 3: cabinet nominee through a standard process.

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Speaker 11: Your sponsor quick response is this case that I discussed

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Speaker 11: the recess appointments clause. It's one where Obama was using it.

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Speaker 11: He tried to put people on the National Labor Relations

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Speaker 11: Board during one of these short kinds of non recesses.

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Speaker 11: Because they didn't go for long enough, I didn't hear

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Speaker 11: Obama was trying to put recess appointees in. It's only

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Speaker 11: magically turn around. Indeed, there was I retweeted it today.

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Speaker 11: There was somebody put clips of Lawrence O'Donnell, and I

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Speaker 11: think it was Nicole Wallace, but might have her wrong,

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Speaker 11: but at least Lawrence O'Donnell put out clips saying, you know,

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Speaker 11: there's a constitutional power called the recess appointments Clause, and

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Speaker 11: the president clearly has this power, right, so you know

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Speaker 11: it's time for those clips to get jammed back in

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Speaker 11: their face.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 11: If Obama's exercising the power, they're totally good with it.

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Speaker 11: But if Donald John Trump wants to, they say, no.

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Speaker 3: Okay, hang on, we got to let to get to

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Speaker 3: Julie Kelly's going to join us. We got Brian Costello

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Speaker 3: Now maybe an investigation is going to go on. We're

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Speaker 3: going to talk to Tina Peters lawyer. Jeff Clark's going

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Speaker 4: Short commercial break back in a moment. Really, here's your host,

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Speaker 4: Stephen k back.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Mike Lindell joins us. Mike, we missed you this

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Speaker 3: morning on the Morning show. The audience is hankering for

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Speaker 3: Mike, we love you, and you did such a great

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Speaker 3: job in election integrity.

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Speaker 4: We actually won in a landslide. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Brother, got a lot of work to do. Favorite ballat

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Speaker 3: same day voting. I got it in count the same day.

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Speaker 4: Can we play the call of them for Julie Kelly.

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Speaker 4: Let's go and play it.

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Speaker 1: How has the choice of Matt Gates changed the equation

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Speaker 1: or has it?

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Speaker 2: It has?

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Speaker 12: And that's the difference. There was worry about congressional investigations.

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Speaker 12: They expected that, but the choice of Gates, which was

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Speaker 12: I think a real surprise to many people inside the DOJ.

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Speaker 2: You know s everywhere.

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Speaker 12: Yes that he you know, he's a lawyer, but he's

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Speaker 12: had no experience proceeding cases. But most of all, he

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Speaker 12: is a firebrand loyalist, a very vocal supporter of President Trump,

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Speaker 12: and it's seen by people as a choice. It's someone

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Speaker 12: who trusts who Trump trust and someone who, given the

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Speaker 12: ethics investigation, sort of owes Trump. Trump is sort of

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Speaker 12: protecting him by giving him this new job just before

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Speaker 12: the extra ethics report comes out. So it does raise

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Speaker 12: fears that there could actually be criminal investigations and prosecutions

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Speaker 12: by the Trump administration of career DJ n FBI officials.

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Speaker 3: How would you quantify's that plays much much longer? Will

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Speaker 3: play that maybe the next hour with Jeff Clark Julie Kelly.

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Speaker 3: NBC News is reporting that Merik Garland was shocked and

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Speaker 3: stunned by the results, that senior officials in DJ were

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Speaker 3: weeping on Tuesday the fifth, in the evening as the

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Speaker 3: results came in and now they're petrified. One of the

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Speaker 3: segments all day long and every show, one segment is

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Speaker 3: about the fear inside the Justice Department for of course, uh,

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Speaker 3: these uncalled for criminal investigations.

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Speaker 4: Your thoughts, ma'am, Yes, I.

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Speaker 13: Think it's legitimate.

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Speaker 14: I talked to people who are closer to DOJ than

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Speaker 14: I am, who say that the fear and terror is real,

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Speaker 14: not just among top DOJ officials, including Special Counsel Jack

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Speaker 14: Smith and his team. We could talk about his being

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Speaker 14: a flight risk and leaving as Mark zed Is recommending

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Speaker 14: top targets to flee the country around Inauguration Day. Just

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Speaker 14: crazy talk, but that even lying prosecutors are terrified that

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Speaker 14: they are going to be investigated, which.

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Speaker 13: They should, for violating the one A four.

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Speaker 14: A, five A six eight A constitutional rights of January

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Speaker 14: sixth defendants conspiring with the FBI and federal judges to

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Speaker 14: deny due process to Americans, mostly overwhelming majority of whom

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Speaker 14: had no criminal record, committed no crime, but nonetheless had

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Speaker 14: their lives destroyed at the hands of this bloodthirsty DOJ

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Speaker 14: led by Mark Arland, Lisa Monico, and of course the

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Speaker 14: DCUs attorney Matthew Graves.

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Speaker 13: Fear is real.

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Speaker 14: It is gratifying to see the tables turn on this

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Speaker 14: vengeful DOJ who has destroyed so many lives over the

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Speaker 14: past four years. And I'm sure that they're shocked, Steve,

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Speaker 14: because I was in courtroom leading up to election day

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Speaker 14: seeing how they're treating Jay six Ers. There was no

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Speaker 14: indication that they thought for a minute Donald Trump would

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Speaker 14: win that the January sixth, what they call the Capital

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Speaker 14: Siege investigation would end, that pardons would take place, and furthermore,

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Speaker 14: the tables turned, as you said, the hunted becoming the hunters,

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Speaker 14: which is precisely what's happening.

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Speaker 3: Mark Sad, the lawyer, he's saying that he's actually saying

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Speaker 3: that brother Jack Smith should exit the country starting the

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Speaker 3: afternoon of the twentieth January. Am I correct in saying

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Speaker 3: that that's what he said.

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Speaker 13: He did not say it specifically.

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Speaker 14: But Mark Ziad, as you know, the lawyer who represented

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Speaker 14: Eric Kim kir Rummella. Sorry, it's been a while since

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Speaker 14: I've said his name, the so called whistleblower in Ukraine Gate,

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Speaker 14: but prompted the first impeachment of Donald Trump. Also Marseiah

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Speaker 14: just a long time dirty dumb operative openly recommending that

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Speaker 14: people who fear prosecution, and this is DOJ officials, but

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Speaker 14: also past officials from the National Security State, John Brennan,

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Speaker 14: Jim Clapper. He also listed Liz Cheney. This article on

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Speaker 14: political listed Liz Cheney to leave the country around inauguration day. Now,

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Speaker 14: why would he say that? Is he saying, well, these officials,

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Speaker 14: former and current should wait to see what Donald Trump

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Speaker 14: does on inauguration day sign executive orders related to pardons

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Speaker 14: or investigations.

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Speaker 13: Also his acting Attorney General and.

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Speaker 14: Acting DCUs Attorney more importantly, will really decide how to

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Speaker 14: investigate those offices right main Justice, the Special Counsel's Office,

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Speaker 14: and then the DCS attorney investigating what happened in that

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Speaker 14: office with those prosecutors.

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Speaker 13: And investigate are they going to wait to see what.

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Speaker 14: Happens the first few days and decide from there if

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Speaker 14: they're going to become fugitives and not return. Keep in mind, Steed,

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Speaker 14: where was Jack Smith and David Harbaugh also one of

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Speaker 14: his top prosecutors in a classified documents case that I covered.

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Speaker 14: They were at the Hay in twenty twenty two overseeing

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Speaker 14: the worklids trial of the former president of Kosovo, Mary Garland.

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Speaker 13: Dispatch them here for j.

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Speaker 3: Julie just hanging her for one second, Hold to the break.

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Speaker 3: Tina Peters lawyer Jeff Clark still be here. Chania Peter's

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Speaker 3: lawyer is going to join us in Brian Costello talk

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Speaker 3: about Silicon Valleys participation in all this birsch Gold dot

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Speaker 3: Com slash of Bannon, the end of the Dollar Empire.

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Speaker 3: I will get into more of that in the second

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Speaker 3: hour billy strip