WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Kevin Liles 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:04.080 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:06.880 episode was produced by the team at Pandora. 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:12.159 Hey, what's up y'all? Leten you man Fonte fonticawiciclo and 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:15.240 right now, this is yet another Quest Love Supreme classic 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:20.479 from February first, twenty seventeen pre Rome when we sat 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:23.720 down with hip hop mogul Kevin Loud where he talked 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:27.240 about the early Baltimore scene, his rise to president of 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:30.120 Deaf Jam, and the value of hard work and also 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:33.280 a lot of people didn't know his his very little 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:36.199 known role in writing a song called Girl. You know 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:39.279 it's true. This is an amazing episode, so listen check 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:42.479 it out. Y'all know where to get it. Fontikolo Quest 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:44.199 of Supreme Classic Deserve. 0:00:52.479 --> 0:01:01.040 Supremo, Suprema Roll Call, Suprema su Suprema roll call, Suprema 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:06.480 Son Supprea role call Suprema something something. 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:07.680 Suprema roll card. 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:11.000 I am Quest Loved Girl, Yeah, I am Quest Love Girl. 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:14.800 Yeah, I am Quesse loved Girl. Yeah. And this is true. 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:23.600 No supprima, roll call, Suprema Son Son Suprema Rod. 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:27.920 My name is Fante, Yeah, feed me Seymour. Yeah. Shout 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:32.520 out to all my Yeah, niggas out and be more. 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:38.640 Suprema roll call Suprema Sun Suprema. 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:39.520 Roll call. 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:45.360 Name is Sugar Yeah with Kevin Lyles. Yeah, Quest loves Suprema. Yeah, 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:48.280 don't change that time Rod. 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:55.280 Suprema son Son Suprema, roll call Suprema so something Suprema roll. 0:01:55.240 --> 0:02:00.560 Called pay Bill Yeah, going wild Yeah, Quest love Supreme. 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:03.240 Yeah, Kevin Loud roll. 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:08.639 Call Suprema Suprema, roll call Suprema. 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:11.280 So Suprema roll call. 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:17.000 It's like yeah, m yeah, I have another ladies. Yeah, 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:20.040 these dudes, God damn roll. 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:27.320 Supreme Rod Suprema Suprema roll calls. 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:31.720 Receive his whack, yeah, says Bob Bill. Yeah yeah I 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:42.400 said that ship. Yeah, just keeping it. Roll call Supreme, 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:43.280 roll call. 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:44.560 My name is Kevin. 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:46.359 Yeah, I guess I'm here. 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:48.880 Yeah, I want to tell you. 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:50.440 Yeah, I have no fear. 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:58.519 Roll call Suprema Suprema, roll call Suprema Suprema. 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:00.000 Rolls were. 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:04.680 Roll up. 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:12.240 Roll Oh man, that's so much just happened. 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:20.880 That's first fucking. 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:27.400 Comown. Ladies and gentlemen walking. 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:31.000 Into the engineer all up in your video. 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:36.040 Calm down, come to question, smoking, Come on, ladies. 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:40.640 And gentlemen, welcome to another edition, our first February Black 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:44.040 History Month Editionbruary to uh question, Love Supreme? 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:45.640 Did I say February with a Brew? 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:49.160 I don't know, because I say February but without the Brew. 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:54.000 Yeah, yeah, February. This is weird Wednesday. Those are like 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:56.800 names that like it's like a black teenage mother name those. 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:03.320 This is all these extra letters in that part of 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:05.120 Africa's in February come from. 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:12.160 I stole that from the pound cake speech from Bill Cosby. 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:15.880 That Bill Cosby, he's a. 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:18.480 Oh my god. 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:23.360 H well you know this this is uh well, it's 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:25.839 not necessarily a special addition to quest Love Supreme, but 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:31.279 we have a very special guest who, in my opinion, uh, 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:38.239 he's the example of excellence and tireless determination and work 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:44.440 and long hours. From interning in the mail room to 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:46.839 ordering in the lunch room. 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:48.320 I feel like Jesse Jackson. 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:51.760 In the mail room, to order in the lunch room, 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:55.120 to the ball room, to meetings in the late meeting. 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:59.400 In fire and iron in the boardroom. 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:04.200 Ladies and gentlemen, please give it up for mister Kevin Laws. 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:09.880 I welcome and welcome man. Okay. 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:15.160 I have to say, first of all, thank you for 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:20.000 accepting and clearing your schedule because you are probably the 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:22.680 hardest working executive I've ever known. 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:25.800 I can tell you no, So I. 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:29.239 Do my research. 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:32.240 Really, I mean to me, the difference between you and 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:39.120 another well known public figure, CEO is that you're not 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:40.160 about the spotlight. 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:42.680 You're the one that didn't want to be up on 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:44.719 all the videos and dance. 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:48.120 Can I ask you, once you realize that that was allowed, 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:50.080 did you like regret like, well, I'm the one that 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:51.479 actually had to hit can't. 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:56.880 I can't dance? So I'm good? No, I'm good. I 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:01.280 enjoy the culture, I enjoy the opportunity that that that 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:03.440 God gives me, and I miss the work. You know, 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:06.240 I don't. I think you lead by example. You don't 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:09.960 just do it for the job or do it for 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:12.760 the glory. I think there's a lot of gut before 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:14.240 the glory, you know what I mean. So that's me, 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:14.640 you know. 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:18.640 I mean, just based on your history and where you 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:22.520 know a lot of your lean years, the work that 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:25.240 you put in, I have to also say that you 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:30.520 also might be a glutton for punishment. Because we're going 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:32.200 to get into that. We're going to get into that. 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:37.039 Take a little bro what happy uh February. 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:40.200 Happy February. 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:44.359 It is black history buff right, Why is it? I 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:45.599 thought we were last month? 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:48.160 Because because I'm black, you know, real black, so have 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:52.040 you know, just you in this room. 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:54.039 You blackness gets to claim a whole month. 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:56.640 Episode. 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:01.600 It is still about Quansas because that was a long 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:02.000 time ago. 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:04.880 We regret that because I had to look up who 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:10.480 uh uh that who's no the person that you doctor 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:12.280 York Coolery. 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:18.360 No, Miles, what happened on a previous episode was that 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:23.680 Fante like to compare the founder of Doctor York and Scamra. 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:28.360 That's the that's the rabbit fl down Joe How come 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:30.520 I are you late? Yeah? 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:31.000 I was late. 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:34.880 I'm also in my forties. Would have to know about 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:35.760 Joey and this camera? 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:38.000 Yeah, I only know just from Twitter that you know. 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:39.800 That was how I found out. 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:44.040 Butt research on you see. That's why it's like your 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:44.760 mom because I'm black. 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:45.800 I mean, you know. 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:51.080 Once Chuck Woolery agreed with the Fante, then off and 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:59.000 we'll be back into Okay, okay, okay, anyway, mister Lyles, 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:03.320 we usually start with the timeline of the beginning. 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:04.520 So you're you're from. 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:08.800 Be more correct, yes, be more you're claiming Baltimore too. 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:10.720 I'm sorry, sir, I should say yes because I went 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:15.400 to Morgan State, so every city it's thirty minutes away. 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:19.600 But DC in Baltimore, don't. 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:20.520 They're very different. 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:25.600 Well, cousins their cousins. You know, we're family doesn't always 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:28.120 like each other, right, shout out to Glizzie. You know, 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:30.920 I'm I'm. I got a lot of family in d C. 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:32.840 You know, a lot of family and be more. The 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:35.960 whole d m V is like I made my tracks there, 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:37.199 so you know, I love all of it. 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:39.439 You know, you know, I'm surprised you still have your 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:42.880 Baltimore accent, Like I still hear your two's and you're 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:43.360 do you. 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:46.400 Cut me up and I be more? You know that 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:49.640 that's just what it is. And I've been accepted uh 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:51.640 here in New York I made for twenty five years, 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:54.320 so it's like, you know, I'm guess some from New 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:55.560 York too, you know what I mean? So but you 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:56.880 cut me open them be more forever. 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:02.800 I didn't know that too. And you that that's a jow, 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:05.520 that's a jawn, or that's I. 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:08.160 Don't think Baltimore has a jawn. It's just the what 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:09.520 do you call the you know what tho? 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:14.400 Okay, not that I should hold near and dear what see. 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:16.280 I don't want to be that person that references the 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:19.680 wire like, well on the wire I saw. But I 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:24.320 actually heard Snoop's character use the word jawn when describing. 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:30.240 Like wiggle it jiggle it came on young young Wait 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:34.600 he was, Yes, he was. Did you say that you 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:36.840 were still there, that I was there? Okay? I thought 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:39.599 I was because of Baltimore. You were there? I was 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:40.200 there at that time? 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:40.440 To you? 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:41.000 Okay? 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:46.520 Well yeah, basically like Snoop use the word jawn. 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:49.600 She might have said Joe because Joe is kind of like, 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:50.120 but no. 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:54.480 She meant like that's my joint. Yeah, we used that too. Yeah, Yo, 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:54.920 you know. 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:56.920 Y'all use yo for everything. 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:02.080 I thought it was a New York then asn't it. 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:04.520 But I appreciate you because you you still go back. 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:06.920 You would just at Morgan like writing that recently, Like 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:09.440 you constantly go back and give back to Morgan State. 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:12.320 Yeah. And I try to tell people you nothing without 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:14.520 bringing people with you. So I just go as a 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:17.200 beacon of light. We're raising two hundred and fifty million 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:20.880 dollars for Morgan and if you go there. When I 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:23.880 went there, you know, we stated Cummings and now it's 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:26.800 like one of the top you know, five universities for engineers, 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:31.439 the number one African American university for engineers, you know 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:33.640 what I mean. So I'm a former engineer, so it's 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:35.600 a blessing to go back all the time. My whole 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:37.079 family's there too, so it's like. 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:39.000 The most up north HBCU as well. 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:43.880 Yes, yes, man, you are really giving back, Like I 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:46.319 feel bad, Like I think I gave a drum set 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:47.319 to my high school. 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:52.320 In Baltimore. You are there, oh yeah, yeah and everything. 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:55.040 Yeah, that's my city. You know. One thing when you 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:58.360 come from humble beginnings and you know, like I tell people, 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:01.320 most of my journey comes from real life shit, you 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:03.440 know what I mean. So like I didn't, I've been 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:04.960 in it. You know, you talk about the why that 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:06.640 was my that was the error, you know what I 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:09.920 mean of like you know, my uncles and everybody, and 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:14.800 for me to be here and just talk about it 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:18.959 still talk about my city. Just recently Kean Copperta who 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:22.800 went to Woodland after me, younger than me, but I 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:25.320 built the stadium. He would always pay for the Falcons. 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:28.560 He came home. He would always do a class for 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:30.880 kids who wanted to play football, track and field and 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:34.679 things like that, and developed a great friendship. And one 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:36.800 thing about Baltimore. If something ever happened in Baltimore, I 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:39.959 get it. I get it. So not to start off 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:42.280 in a but you know, I always gotta be spiritual. 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:45.040 So he was playing for Son, and you love this 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:49.240 quest in a way, but you also it was a 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:51.719 sad moment. But playing for Son, made a mistake and 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:54.560 hit his head, went into a coma and at you know, 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:58.800 thirty nine years old. Past. Now tell that story, because 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:02.560 when you talk about Baltimore, you owe it to where 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:07.280 you're from, to always go back because something it's going 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:10.040 to happen to somebody at some point in time, and 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:13.960 people need light, they need something positive, They need something. 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:15.640 One of the reasons why you do the show, you 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:17.640 know what I mean. People need light, people need guidance. 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:20.240 And you know when people speak about Baltimore, that's like 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:22.920 that's my city, that's like it's really my city, you 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:26.040 know what I'm saying. So to me, I just love 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:27.760 and I don't know how I went there and there, 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:29.240 I guess it was on my heart, so fuck it. 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:30.200 So how did you? 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:30.400 No? 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:32.319 No, no, I mean, but I want to talk about that, 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:36.280 like my depiction, Like I used to go to Baltimore 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:38.800 a lot, Like I had an uncle and aunt down there. 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:41.720 We go like summertimes, you know, weekends, they're. 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:42.160 Sort of things. 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:47.480 And I didn't see the Baltimore that's you know, depicted 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:52.959 on TV. I mean, like does it do you feel 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:57.120 some sort of way when you hear the I guess 0:12:57.160 --> 0:13:04.360 there's somewhat fetishizing of the Wire culture with other I mean, 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:06.880 the inside joke is always like more white people love 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:11.160 the Wire than black people, do you know, like they will. 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:14.920 I've seen many Wire references in every like high brow 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:18.280 comedy show on TV or whatever. It's just always like 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:20.719 some inside joke about it. But you know, it's a 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:25.120 lot of people the Wire is like what they feel 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:26.920 is Baltimore. 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:29.000 And like, how do you, I mean, how did you? 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:34.040 What was your Baltimore you growing up and and like 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:35.800 your experiences with the city. 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:39.920 All at all that all that, and I have to 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:44.160 be honest with you. So when I grew up, it 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:48.160 was probably highlight you know, well the dope scene, you 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:52.880 know what I mean? And you know, if you want, 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:56.280 it was there. It was everywhere. I always say, you know, 0:13:56.800 --> 0:14:02.080 you have the drug store, the liquor store, the church, 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:05.120 in the dope corner. It was there. It was just there. 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:07.440 So that's what people talked about. That's what people were. 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:10.000 You want to know how to make money. You wanted 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:11.360 to be with that guy who was on the corner. 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:13.280 He always had the money and he was giving back 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:16.000 to the kids. And that all everything that the wire 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:20.320 trolled a true depiction of what was happening in that 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:22.880 that the city at the time, to the point where 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:25.760 when it got to where people were saying, it's the 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:29.240 home or the wire. Martin O'Malley, who was at that 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:31.880 time mayor about to go for a governor a friend 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:35.680 of mine said, that's not what I want us to 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:39.160 be known for, not under my you know, my jurisdiction. 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:41.520 And he actually went It was one of the guys 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:43.800 to say, hey, we shouldn't go, you know, we should 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:45.880 stop it and do something. And from that point on, 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:49.560 Rich Carlton Four Seasons turned the whole in a harbor. Johns. 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:53.080 Hopkins invested into Fell's Point, like so many big things 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:55.520 in Morgan State, went to a different level. But you know, 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:59.520 to say why I appreciate life and why I appreciate moments, 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:02.120 you know, even like this, it's because you know, I 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:04.040 come from very humble beginnings. I said, I didn't grow 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:05.760 up with a silver spoon in my mouth. My ship 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:07.680 was rusted, you know what I mean. So I know 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:09.600 I know what it is. So it was like that. 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:12.640 Though, what's crazy is Martin O'Malley was really depicted in 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:16.280 the wire as Mayor Garcetti, who was very. 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:20.840 Yes, mess Martin and all, and these are all people, 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:24.720 you know, we just retired, well she retired herself of 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:29.880 Senator mccowsky and you know you I'm forty eight now, 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:31.760 so I've seen it, you know what I mean. Even 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:35.920 from a very young age, you know, back may of smoke. 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:38.600 Back then. I was always thought that if if you 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:41.480 had politics, if you could put yourself with position of 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:45.400 power by being around that. And so I've been with 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:49.240 every mayor, governor, city council member, the whole nine. Also, 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:51.120 when people got in trouble, I can get him out. 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:55.080 I could always wear some things out. So it's just 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:57.400 a you know, it's it's the truth. Though I loved 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:00.360 the Wire, though I loved. It was a homing and 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:05.680 cultural uh history to me for TV, for HBO. I 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:08.480 think it was one of those soprano moments for our culture, 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:09.440 you know, for the while. 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:14.080 So you saw places and those things, just you saw 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:15.440 memories and you. 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:16.880 And I need to go, you not need to take 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:20.440 a walk Baltimore. And I'm being the way I'm the 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:24.080 way I'm being serious about because I think I could. 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:25.480 I could show you the older and new. I can 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:28.080 show you some of the stuff that was happening back 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:30.640 then where it's happening now. But also I mean you 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:32.800 can go have tea at the Four Seasons, you know 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:34.520 what I mean? And you and I can go and 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:37.800 visit Johns Hopkins and go to the Morgan to see 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:39.400 the new engineer and building, you know what I mean. 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:40.480 Gentrifying. 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:42.000 Yeah, I was gonna say, is it going through a 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:46.480 gentle yesifaication? And are they phasing out the residents or 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:47.560 is it inclusive? 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:53.760 No comment? Mm hm m, no comment. 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:55.800 Because my apartment was four hundred and eighty dollars. 0:16:57.560 --> 0:16:58.600 Ain't that nothing. 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:02.200 I see? I see Let's take a let's take a 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:03.960 walk this year though, that definitely I would love to. 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:07.840 Do with you I'm down you joined us, like, yeah, 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:08.359 I would love to. 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:10.240 I love to see where Baltimore is gone. 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:11.639 I'll go. 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:14.720 I got people in Baltimore you can call if it 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:15.120 go down. 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:18.520 Yeah, don't everybody. 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:21.840 Me and Bill go, but we're staying in our harbor. 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:24.320 Cool me too. 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:29.840 So in your in your where does where does music play? 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:32.560 Because before, I mean, most people know you as an executive, 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:38.560 but there there might be millennials whatnot, uh that don't 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:43.560 know that you were actually an artist yourself. So what 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:46.400 was music music's role in your life? And did did 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:48.720 Baltimore really have a music culture? 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:49.880 Like did we Well? 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:53.280 Okay, I know that there's this whole d M v 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:57.560 idea of this unity thing, but you know, for most 0:17:57.560 --> 0:17:59.919 people that I speak to from d C, they're just 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:03.040 claiming Go Go and not Baltimore. And then Baltimore is 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:05.440 like claiming house music and nothing else. 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:08.399 And I'm not sure where Virginia and North Carolina falling. 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:13.439 They trickled down. It was just everything. Yeah, so you 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:16.439 guys had an active go go. We didn't. Well, we 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:18.800 had it, but it was it was transplants. I mean 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:21.600 the thing with North Carolina was that you know, back 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:25.200 to what Kevin was saying with the drug trade, Uh, 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:28.399 North Carolina was you know, it was on the route 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:31.520 if you were going south, so pretty much. And we 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:33.840 had where I grew up in Greensboro, we had like 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:35.840 a lot of colleges. It was a college town, so 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:38.040 you had a lot of Northerners coming up and going 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:40.320 to school down south, and they were bringing their music 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:43.480 with them. So go go, I mean, go go was 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:44.280 like crazy. 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:47.679 I mean the reason that college was the reason go 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:48.640 go Coultur, Yeah. 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:50.119 So alloted all the go go then, I mean all 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:53.160 the classic you know early eighties, you know New York 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:55.080 hip hop stuff. I mean that's what we would listening to. 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:57.120 So that was why, like when we came out as 0:18:57.119 --> 0:18:59.000 a little brother, they were like, y'all don't sound like 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:00.640 y'all from the South, and it was, well the South 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:04.560 that we were from. That's what we listened to because 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:07.000 that was that was our biggest influence. That's coming down 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:07.520 the seaboard. 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:09.720 Baltimore Club, our house music was that. 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:11.920 Didn't make it. The Baltimore Club didn't make it. I didn't. 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:13.840 I didn't figure out the Baltimore Club until it was 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:16.919 later because that was like really hate what I know 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:18.440 as Baltimore house music. 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:21.840 That made it sort of entry in hipster's lives, like 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:24.520 two thousand and two, two thousand and three, was. 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:28.880 That always a thing, always a thing, always the thing. 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:30.640 So how far. 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:33.160 Back depends what you saw you want to go. I mean, 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:37.240 like so with me, i'm a I started as an MC, 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:40.120 but also DJ our whole thing with new marks. Uh. 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:44.040 We had ten turntables and so we would mix. We 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:46.240 would do our mixes with ten turntables, you know. I mean, 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:48.719 somebody would play the bass beat and then people scratched 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:50.560 records over top of it and blended and we went 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:54.800 around doing that. And then the whole rap thing came 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:57.160 with run DMC and thing, and it was like yo, 0:19:57.320 --> 0:19:59.440 my man said, yo you rap. I said, no, I 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:02.920 write poetry. He said, well, so we're gonna be Roden 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:05.879 KG and I was KG, and I was like cool. 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:09.080 And then this was back when in Baltimore there was 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:13.240 a group called We Rock Crew Charm City Crew and 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:15.480 a couple of them, and we would battle all over 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:19.080 the city, you know what I mean. And so I 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:22.399 don't want to say the house music thing. You know, 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:23.840 I did all that too. I mean, you can go 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:26.359 like North Avenue record I made about the street that 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:31.040 we used to run up and down with the cars. 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:34.199 I love that because that was Baltimore music. But what 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:36.560 was really in me was hip hop. And I was 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:39.439 like a true Fano. I lost my mind when I 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:42.960 heard some records. And you know, so I can take 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:46.600 you back to when the radio station was w EBB 0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:50.960 and all they played was for four hours is the 0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:54.520 Mac James Show. To now every radio station talking about 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:56.720 the station. Hip hop and R and B. It's all day. 0:20:56.760 --> 0:20:58.040 You know, they played every day, you know, I mean 0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:01.320 that's everywhere now. But back then I had to slept 0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:05.040 on the floor mixed wrapped. I opened up. You loved this, 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:08.600 So I think my record got a little big or whatever. 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:12.240 And so LLLL was coming to a place called forty 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:15.439 six or four Liberty Heights, and so I opened up 0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:20.080 for l L No. I'm on, somebody pulled a gun. 0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:24.439 They started shooting in there, and up in the judgment 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:29.120 with Tar, he said, yo, y'all crazy. I said, that's 0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:32.000 you good, don't don't worry about it. So but not 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:34.800 just him, run DMC. I opened up for Salt and Pepper. 0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:39.399 I opened up for Rob Base, Rob Base and the 0:21:39.520 --> 0:21:41.479 vert I went on tour with. I mean like when 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:43.080 you when you talk about it, it's like, this is 0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:44.720 why I know how to treat an artist, because I 0:21:44.760 --> 0:21:45.960 know what it is. I know how I wanted to 0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:47.600 be treated. Will Smith. 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:50.440 They actually they they would actually let. 0:21:50.280 --> 0:21:53.480 You let me. I was big in the city quest 0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:59.879 I was big, arena big throwing your hands in the air. 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:00.800 I was arena big. 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:07.199 Well, no, just like today artists, I mean not even today, 0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:10.800 like you just come in, you get on the mic, 0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:13.200 and then you out, like I can't remember the last 0:22:13.200 --> 0:22:18.040 time the other big in I met little Brother because 0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:19.720 like the Route show got rained out and I was like, 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:21.240 all right, let me walk in the audience and shake 0:22:21.280 --> 0:22:26.040 some hands. When I was there, Yeah, I want to 0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:28.280 got the demo and I wanted to tweet about it 0:22:28.359 --> 0:22:28.879 or tweet it. 0:22:28.880 --> 0:22:33.400 Well okay, playered about it. But I'm just. 0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:38.200 Saying that what what made you well, not what made 0:22:38.240 --> 0:22:40.359 you want to in your mind. Were you like, Okay, 0:22:40.359 --> 0:22:42.720 I'm going to be a diplomat to these you know, 0:22:43.040 --> 0:22:46.399 for the city and and give it these artists or 0:22:46.440 --> 0:22:48.960 it was just like hip hop was so scarce in 0:22:49.040 --> 0:22:53.600 the mid to late eighties that you just had to 0:22:53.600 --> 0:22:56.600 know every MC or act that came down. 0:22:56.680 --> 0:23:00.040 No, you know what, you know what it was, I 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:02.040 ran the streets, so it's like I knew everybody, and 0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:05.480 then the promoters would tell artists, Hey, you're gonna do 0:23:05.480 --> 0:23:06.840 the show where we got to put this group New 0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:10.520 Marks on because they local, they're gonna bring about, you know, 0:23:11.000 --> 0:23:12.840 tickets and things that, so you should put them on. 0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:16.120 And the way we used to run because we DJ'ed 0:23:16.160 --> 0:23:18.040 on the radio for four or five hours and we 0:23:18.160 --> 0:23:21.359 used to do shows. We kind of like ran the 0:23:21.400 --> 0:23:23.040 city when it came to music, you know what I mean. 0:23:23.080 --> 0:23:26.560 So it's like they just loved having us open up. 0:23:26.560 --> 0:23:28.520 And then me always treated it like a business, you 0:23:28.560 --> 0:23:30.200 know what I mean. It wasn't about me hanging out 0:23:30.200 --> 0:23:33.080 with people or just meeting somebody. I wanted to have 0:23:33.119 --> 0:23:36.160 a value proposition, so I made sure when artists came 0:23:36.200 --> 0:23:39.240 down that they felt like they got to be more love, 0:23:39.320 --> 0:23:40.720 you know what I mean. It was something special about 0:23:40.720 --> 0:23:43.560 them coming down. So one artists would tell another artist that, yo, 0:23:43.720 --> 0:23:46.280 them kids, you got to they could take you where 0:23:46.320 --> 0:23:47.880 you got to go. They can get you anything you want, 0:23:48.320 --> 0:23:51.560 and they don't. So that was really my mindset. 0:23:51.320 --> 0:23:52.760 Who always in New Mark. So who were the other 0:23:52.800 --> 0:23:53.440 members of the group. 0:23:54.720 --> 0:23:57.720 One of the original founders was DJ Spen. He still 0:23:57.720 --> 0:24:01.440 plays house music today shout out to Spin and beat Master. 0:24:01.520 --> 0:24:03.800 Moll was a kid named Wayne Mallory. He's married and 0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:07.600 in Florida. Junie Jam was one of my neighbors and 0:24:07.640 --> 0:24:11.080 his cousin Rod was Rod Rod and KG you know me. 0:24:11.400 --> 0:24:12.800 So it was five. It was five of us. And 0:24:13.200 --> 0:24:18.840 when it yeah, kind of, it was at the time 0:24:18.840 --> 0:24:21.679 of I I can truly tell you man that you know, 0:24:21.760 --> 0:24:24.199 being from Baltimore, and they had had a certain soundings 0:24:24.520 --> 0:24:27.560 before the house music thing was hip hop and they 0:24:27.600 --> 0:24:30.399 started to develop back I meant Crystal Waters and the 0:24:30.400 --> 0:24:33.239 Basement Boys and all like. This was all stuff that 0:24:33.320 --> 0:24:36.400 we did. I'm coming up. It was a place called 0:24:36.440 --> 0:24:40.720 Paradox that people used to go to for for club music. 0:24:40.760 --> 0:24:43.719 But then Frank Ski, which you know, you know, he 0:24:44.359 --> 0:24:49.480 used to do this thing called Hammer Jacks. Hammer Jacks 0:24:49.600 --> 0:24:51.399 was a club like it's like a house of blues, 0:24:51.440 --> 0:24:54.960 but it was in Baltimore. And when I tell you, 0:24:55.080 --> 0:24:57.720 we brought you know, and I started interning for Death Jam. 0:24:57.880 --> 0:25:01.360 I brought everybody from DMX man Method Man Blah, blah 0:25:01.400 --> 0:25:04.600 blah everybody as even when I became the president, but 0:25:04.640 --> 0:25:06.639 everybody would come. We had to do Hamma Jacks. It 0:25:06.680 --> 0:25:08.879 was like the spot in the city we had to do. So, 0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:11.239 you know, although I was you know, I grew up 0:25:11.240 --> 0:25:15.280 on the house, hip hop was always like part of it, 0:25:15.280 --> 0:25:17.000 you know what I mean. So I always try to say, Yo, guys, 0:25:17.000 --> 0:25:20.399 we really gotta gotta have that the edge with us, 0:25:20.440 --> 0:25:21.840 that the thing with us, you know what I mean. 0:25:21.880 --> 0:25:23.320 Even though I did the Girdy Knows true thing, it's 0:25:23.320 --> 0:25:25.679 still like, you know, you gotta have that edge, you 0:25:25.680 --> 0:25:26.080 know what I mean. 0:25:26.400 --> 0:25:28.919 All Right, I want to let's let's bring up the 0:25:28.960 --> 0:25:33.600 elephant in the room right now. Let's kid, all right, well, 0:25:33.720 --> 0:25:34.840 let's play the elephant in the. 0:25:34.920 --> 0:25:35.440 Room right now. 0:25:35.480 --> 0:25:37.080 Oh, let's do it. So what are you doing that? 0:25:38.520 --> 0:25:41.040 Well, a setback and thought about the things we used 0:25:41.080 --> 0:25:44.600 to do together. They really meant a lot to me. 0:25:46.800 --> 0:25:51.200 Yes, you know it's true. 0:25:53.920 --> 0:26:01.240 No, even even though I've heard this on and off 0:26:03.160 --> 0:26:05.240 since I found out that you were the author of 0:26:05.240 --> 0:26:09.840 A Girl, you know it's true. But in preparing for 0:26:09.880 --> 0:26:14.960 this interview and listening to it about a good three times, 0:26:15.560 --> 0:26:18.240 that was a well crafted song. 0:26:18.440 --> 0:26:18.760 Thank you. 0:26:18.880 --> 0:26:23.080 Now this is the other thing, Uh, everyone knows about 0:26:23.080 --> 0:26:27.840 my Soul Train addictions. And I happened to be watching 0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:32.960 an eighty six episode of. 0:26:31.800 --> 0:26:33.160 Soul Train with Star Point. 0:26:34.480 --> 0:26:37.560 And Don and then we're talking about you know, they 0:26:37.600 --> 0:26:39.640 were just making a big thing of Maryland and Baltimore 0:26:39.640 --> 0:26:41.240 and everything, like you guys are the biggest thing to 0:26:41.240 --> 0:26:43.479 come out there, and you know what I mean, they 0:26:43.480 --> 0:26:45.360 were embellisting like, yeah, you know, we can't even walk 0:26:45.359 --> 0:26:46.080 in the malls. 0:26:45.920 --> 0:26:46.880 All people asked Bar. 0:26:49.920 --> 0:26:51.760 And then May at the end of the interview they 0:26:51.760 --> 0:26:53.560 were like, yeah, you know, we want to develop more 0:26:53.600 --> 0:26:56.159 acts and everything. Like they really played it like they 0:26:56.200 --> 0:27:00.600 were the bell, the ball of Baltimore area. And I mean, 0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:03.640 you know, they had object they had hits. I think 0:27:04.160 --> 0:27:07.399 they were the next show He Wants My Body? Or 0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:08.960 what was the joint with Teddy Roley? 0:27:09.359 --> 0:27:12.000 I want you? You want you don't? 0:27:12.440 --> 0:27:16.040 You don't, I can't Teddy Roley produced their eighty A joints. 0:27:16.080 --> 0:27:22.000 But my point was that, like, were there being as 0:27:22.040 --> 0:27:24.800 though they were the biggest act of the eighties, Were 0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:27.200 they at a presence at all in. 0:27:29.040 --> 0:27:31.880 And were they at all in your radar like during 0:27:31.880 --> 0:27:32.560 that time period? 0:27:32.640 --> 0:27:35.040 So you. You want to hear the craziest thing. There's 0:27:35.080 --> 0:27:38.840 a guy and stopped pointing in Kai, Yeah, Kai, did 0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:40.800 I love you? 0:27:42.440 --> 0:27:43.479 I wait what? 0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:47.119 Seriously he wrote the lyric. 0:27:48.880 --> 0:27:49.760 I love you. 0:27:53.000 --> 0:27:55.680 Exclusive exclusive. 0:27:58.320 --> 0:28:02.560 Wow, wait a minute. I I just thought my whole 0:28:02.560 --> 0:28:05.480 point was that, like star Boy was really playing, like yeah, 0:28:05.520 --> 0:28:08.600 we were thinking Baltimore. I didn't even know that y'all 0:28:08.600 --> 0:28:09.320 cross baths. 0:28:09.359 --> 0:28:12.000 I was just the did we cross bas Bill Petaway, 0:28:13.000 --> 0:28:16.919 who works with Tim land Now, had this let's tell 0:28:16.920 --> 0:28:18.439 you a little bit about the record, had this record 0:28:18.480 --> 0:28:21.879 this track, and you know, I was a rapper, so 0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:24.240 I wouldn't really didn't write the songs, so you know, 0:28:24.280 --> 0:28:28.040 I do all that. But he said, yo, we probably 0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:30.160 need Ki to help us to say ky. I didn't 0:28:30.200 --> 0:28:32.080 really know like that, you know what I mean? So 0:28:32.600 --> 0:28:34.680 he said yeah stop. I said, oh, okay, cool, I 0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:36.159 think I some hits that this is right there. So 0:28:36.240 --> 0:28:39.120 he wrote that part of the record and it's one 0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:41.800 of the That's why I say the group I have 0:28:41.880 --> 0:28:44.080 to give him pay respect. And the other other group 0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:46.840 was rations you know what I mean. They the Drumma, 0:28:46.880 --> 0:28:49.440 the drummer from RASCS was my engineer for my first album. 0:28:49.520 --> 0:28:51.280 I mean, I actually made an album too, but I 0:28:51.320 --> 0:28:52.640 think we can. You can look that up. 0:28:57.080 --> 0:28:59.040 You recorded in the Oxen Hill, Maryland right. 0:28:58.960 --> 0:29:01.400 Oxen Hill, Maryland Studio Records, yep. 0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:04.280 The last record that was made in Auxton Hill, Maryland. 0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:07.600 Last work, all right, I got to do more homework. 0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:11.400 I have to do more homework. Yeah, actually. 0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:18.640 We got it, don't We don't have a turn here 0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:24.640 getting on war Yeah, shout out to Ard war So. 0:29:26.040 --> 0:29:31.760 Explained to me the journey of Girl you not. It's true. 0:29:33.400 --> 0:29:38.080 For our fans that are. 0:29:36.640 --> 0:29:41.280 Born after nineteen it's a lot. 0:29:43.080 --> 0:29:47.120 I mean, this song was bigger than life and basically 0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:52.080 pretty much it was one of the biggest singles of 0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:57.240 nineteen eighty eight for the Aristo label and caused an empire, 0:29:57.840 --> 0:30:01.600 Like just the entire story, Like I want to know 0:30:01.640 --> 0:30:04.280 the journey of the song, but then I just want 0:30:04.320 --> 0:30:08.720 to know what your reaction was that you helped build 0:30:09.440 --> 0:30:12.800 an empire and the fall of that empire and the 0:30:12.800 --> 0:30:16.040 scandal that broke out, And I mean, how many times 0:30:16.120 --> 0:30:18.240 were you like but that's me, Like how many people 0:30:18.240 --> 0:30:20.280 came up to you, Like I thought you were a 0:30:20.280 --> 0:30:23.920 gazillionaire because your song? First of all, why didn't you 0:30:24.560 --> 0:30:28.440 or did you like, how close were you guys to 0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:32.840 actually trying to bring this to a major or take 0:30:32.880 --> 0:30:35.840 it to a major label. And cause it's a well 0:30:35.920 --> 0:30:39.280 crafted song for a local record, it is a very 0:30:39.280 --> 0:30:40.160 well crafted song. 0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:43.720 So here's the thing. It was inspired by I Need Love. 0:30:44.320 --> 0:30:51.240 I'm taught ell and I I wasn't doing it to 0:30:51.320 --> 0:30:53.280 be a big artist like that, to be honest with you, 0:30:53.280 --> 0:30:55.480 you know what I mean. I was doing it because 0:30:55.480 --> 0:30:55.840 I like. 0:30:55.840 --> 0:30:59.120 On purpose, or you just didn't think, oh, this song 0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:03.240 could actually with one hundred kids through college. 0:31:02.960 --> 0:31:06.680 Or honestly, it was just another another record. There's actually 0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:10.760 another record I love more than it. But when creating 0:31:10.760 --> 0:31:12.520 that record, I knew it was special. I knew it 0:31:12.560 --> 0:31:16.360 was special. Every time we would play it, people would 0:31:16.400 --> 0:31:18.000 just freak out over and then I knew when we 0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:21.880 performed it, it's like the whole crowd saying yeah, I 0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:23.640 knew it was special. So we sold like one hundred 0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:29.760 thousand copies with Studio records. And I remember I'm home 0:31:29.960 --> 0:31:33.840 chilling and with this girl and I said, they turn 0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:35.840 the radio off, and she said, that's not the radio. 0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:37.400 I said, what do you mean, it's not the radio off? 0:31:37.440 --> 0:31:40.080 She said, no, I said, baby, it's the radio. I 0:31:40.080 --> 0:31:42.120 don't have a video for the record. She said, I 0:31:42.160 --> 0:31:44.280 know that's not you, but that's that's that's your record 0:31:44.360 --> 0:31:47.400 right there. And it was really really performing my record. 0:31:47.640 --> 0:31:51.040 That's how I found out on TV. 0:31:51.200 --> 0:31:54.960 So so Frank Farion for those that don't know, going 0:31:55.000 --> 0:31:57.280 in there. All right, So here's the deal. 0:31:57.400 --> 0:32:01.240 So Frank Farian was a producer and a member of 0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:07.520 a seventies funk outfit called Bonie M. Steve's laughing because 0:32:07.520 --> 0:32:10.880 he knows the story I'm gonna tell. Side note, I 0:32:11.040 --> 0:32:15.040 once thought I was hired to do a Bonie M 0:32:15.080 --> 0:32:17.560 record in the late two thousand. 0:32:17.760 --> 0:32:21.040 Then fucking around was Bonie James. Now I can't get 0:32:21.120 --> 0:32:24.360 rid of him. He's my BF. But at the time 0:32:24.400 --> 0:32:26.840 I thought I was doing a Bony M session. I 0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:29.840 was like, wait a minute, it smooth jazz, like what. 0:32:31.520 --> 0:32:38.560 Marcus Miller anyway, Yeah he I guess he heard this 0:32:38.680 --> 0:32:41.280 on a German night club and an army base or 0:32:41.280 --> 0:32:41.720 something like. 0:32:42.440 --> 0:32:50.360 So. Unbeknownst to me, my label Studio Records, we're getting 0:32:50.360 --> 0:32:53.160 calls off all over the world for Grave Nose True 0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:58.360 the New Box right, and instead we want Chrysalis Records. 0:32:58.360 --> 0:33:00.840 Came and said, we want to pick you guys up. 0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:02.520 I didn't. This is I didn't. This is all I 0:33:02.520 --> 0:33:07.040 found out afterwards through the court. And he he said, well, 0:33:08.240 --> 0:33:11.240 I want money, and so he wanted to cash advance 0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:14.560 and Bluebird, whoever the label was, gave him the money. 0:33:14.680 --> 0:33:17.200 But Christlis wanted to develop the group, but he didn't 0:33:17.240 --> 0:33:20.920 care about that part of it. He cared about getting money, 0:33:21.080 --> 0:33:21.480 you know what I mean. 0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:23.960 So the label you released it on, was it your label? 0:33:24.040 --> 0:33:24.400 Per se? 0:33:25.000 --> 0:33:26.320 No? No, no, okay. 0:33:26.360 --> 0:33:27.800 So the person who's the head of. 0:33:27.720 --> 0:33:30.480 The label at that time was a guy named Franco 0:33:30.720 --> 0:33:34.480 something I forgot his name, okay, But he sold it 0:33:34.920 --> 0:33:38.840 to Bluebird. Bluebird didn't distribute it through z y X 0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:46.320 and the what do you call that? Denilux countries in 0:33:46.400 --> 0:33:48.320 Japan and was on some label and France is on 0:33:48.360 --> 0:33:52.360 some label. And in the club they were playing my 0:33:52.440 --> 0:33:57.520 version of the record. And so C W Shaw, who 0:33:58.040 --> 0:34:01.200 was an Army veteran, he was in the Army, he 0:34:01.280 --> 0:34:05.480 sends me this long letter. You don't know me. I 0:34:05.560 --> 0:34:12.520 actually sung your record and Milli Vanilli's singing, acting like 0:34:12.560 --> 0:34:15.880 they singing. He actually I got a letter from C. W. Shaw, 0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:17.560 who actually said I'm the voice. 0:34:17.600 --> 0:34:19.480 So he's that guy that's singing and rapping. 0:34:19.280 --> 0:34:23.440 From here from Houston. He said, I love you guys. 0:34:23.480 --> 0:34:26.399 I love your version of it. They came and asked 0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:28.640 me to re sing the record. He said, it's not 0:34:28.680 --> 0:34:31.160 out yet. And so now this is when the record 0:34:31.200 --> 0:34:34.200 is eighteen many copies and I'm working on the second album. 0:34:34.440 --> 0:34:37.720 You know, I did, I did that one girls true, 0:34:38.280 --> 0:34:40.160 what's my Diane Warren did blame it on the range. 0:34:40.200 --> 0:34:41.719 So we think about what we're gonna do next with 0:34:41.760 --> 0:34:45.360 the next album, and then the whole thing thing blew up. 0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:46.960 You couldn't have wrote the story, you know what I mean. 0:34:46.960 --> 0:34:48.240 You couldn't wrote the characters. 0:34:48.280 --> 0:34:50.359 And so Diane Warren did blame it on the rain 0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:51.399 on New Walks first. 0:34:51.440 --> 0:34:53.879 No no, no, no, no no. I'm saying I met 0:34:53.920 --> 0:34:56.360 her because I had Gery norstru which was the first single, 0:34:56.400 --> 0:34:57.719 and she did blame it on the ring. 0:34:57.840 --> 0:35:00.360 It was only one voice for that was one. I 0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:01.959 didn't even realize that that was one man. 0:35:02.280 --> 0:35:04.440 No, he did, he did, he did this. It was 0:35:04.440 --> 0:35:05.920 really two of them, but I only know the one 0:35:06.840 --> 0:35:09.239 uh c W shot so shout out. You know. He 0:35:09.520 --> 0:35:10.880 told me about it, but I didn't know what was 0:35:10.920 --> 0:35:13.840 going on. I was making money because I sued and 0:35:13.920 --> 0:35:16.680 got my publishing and my writer stuff back. 0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:19.319 I'm saying, like they didn't even clear it with you. 0:35:19.920 --> 0:35:24.120 And I woke up a girl said, that's you on 0:35:24.160 --> 0:35:27.799 the radio on the TV. That's how I found out, 0:35:27.840 --> 0:35:30.480 and so I had to get a lawyer, like that's 0:35:30.520 --> 0:35:35.440 my song. Yeah, hurt beyond. I wasn't. I wasn't mad. 0:35:35.480 --> 0:35:38.600 It was that how can so, how can somebody do that? Like? 0:35:38.960 --> 0:35:40.800 And it was that that moment that I said, I 0:35:40.840 --> 0:35:42.359 don't want to be in the music business. I want 0:35:42.360 --> 0:35:44.120 to be in the business of music. It was at 0:35:44.120 --> 0:35:46.239 that moment and I changed everything the whole folk. 0:35:46.360 --> 0:35:49.360 So that made you want to get behind the camera, 0:35:49.560 --> 0:35:53.280 behind in the boardroom instead of in front of the microphones. 0:35:53.320 --> 0:35:55.160 Yes, I never wanted to happen again. I never wanted 0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:56.680 to happen to anybody again. 0:35:57.000 --> 0:35:59.239 You know, you wanted to be this person because you 0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:06.000 wanted to protect someone from getting ganked and and well 0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:09.719 from the situation that happened to you. 0:36:09.880 --> 0:36:12.799 Yes, yes, it really made me want love the bit 0:36:12.880 --> 0:36:15.840 I started to see things differently than I would go 0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:18.600 to a show and say, damn, that's a lot of 0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:21.839 glows sticks. I wonder how much they cost? Damn the 0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:25.040 tickets price is this? And I would start thinking the 0:36:25.080 --> 0:36:27.680 business of everything around me. And so that's what made 0:36:27.719 --> 0:36:30.880 me go back and said I'm an intern because I 0:36:30.880 --> 0:36:32.359 didn't understand enough, you know what I mean? 0:36:32.560 --> 0:36:37.880 How long for a situation like that, especially without the 0:36:37.920 --> 0:36:41.960 internet or something to help rush the process of information? 0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:47.359 I mean, how long was it of you crying wolf? Like, wait, 0:36:47.440 --> 0:36:51.160 I wrote this song, I wrote the song and getting 0:36:51.160 --> 0:36:55.920 an answer and eventually getting to Clive Davis or like, 0:36:57.239 --> 0:37:01.680 I can't even believe that they would be so careless 0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:06.480 as to release a song, markt a song, sell the 0:37:06.520 --> 0:37:09.120 song without checking to see, if. 0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:11.520 You know, do some research everything. 0:37:11.560 --> 0:37:14.640 I'm clear, it's like with us, like even a minuscule 0:37:14.760 --> 0:37:17.000 sample is a wait that laughing and mirror? 0:37:17.000 --> 0:37:19.720 What's that laughing on that thing? Is that pink Floyd? 0:37:19.760 --> 0:37:24.600 And you know, like you're you gotta So how long 0:37:24.719 --> 0:37:27.120 was it from the moment you heard the record in. 0:37:27.160 --> 0:37:31.319 Eighty eight till like they finally did right by you and. 0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:33.319 Said, well, I don't think I don't think. I don't 0:37:33.320 --> 0:37:36.680 think people ever did did right by say you don't 0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:38.680 when you do right. You do right when you have 0:37:38.719 --> 0:37:40.799 to sue, that's not doing right, you know what I mean. 0:37:40.840 --> 0:37:45.040 So, oh so that was the last resort. Did you say. 0:37:44.960 --> 0:37:45.840 That was the first resort? 0:37:46.360 --> 0:37:47.279 Oh? You just okay? 0:37:47.360 --> 0:37:51.360 I'm phil Asbury. Shout out to phil Asbury, Philadelphia. 0:37:51.040 --> 0:37:52.200 Philadelphia International. 0:37:53.040 --> 0:37:56.520 Phil Asbury showed them what it is to be you know, 0:37:57.040 --> 0:37:59.759 don't don't mess with kids, because I was when I 0:37:59.760 --> 0:38:03.160 wrote the record. I think I was sixteen, version was 0:38:03.360 --> 0:38:07.440 eighty eighty seven seven. I don't even remember, since you're 0:38:07.480 --> 0:38:09.359 right on my record, that was when the album came out. 0:38:09.800 --> 0:38:12.839 Oh okay, so I'm not sure. I'm not somewhere around there. 0:38:13.160 --> 0:38:15.400 I think I wrote it though in eighty three. Wow, 0:38:15.600 --> 0:38:20.520 originally me and my partner and you know, just a 0:38:20.560 --> 0:38:22.359 weird time. But I never I didn't. I didn't play 0:38:22.360 --> 0:38:24.760 with it though. It wasn't It wasn't. It was something 0:38:24.840 --> 0:38:28.759 I felt like, like you said, y' y'all had audacity 0:38:28.840 --> 0:38:30.880 to not check do it? 0:38:31.280 --> 0:38:31.320 So? 0:38:31.520 --> 0:38:32.600 Eighteen million copies? 0:38:32.640 --> 0:38:34.520 And then did they try to deny it? 0:38:35.760 --> 0:38:39.240 No, you couldn't. No, they just well. 0:38:39.200 --> 0:38:41.600 They said, we live in twenty sixteen, where the lies 0:38:41.640 --> 0:38:46.080 of the truth, we are not sixteen at least right 0:38:46.200 --> 0:38:52.720 the lover course, So seventeen seventeen, John seventeen, it's definitely February. 0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:55.239 I forgot where we were. No, I'm just saying, you know, 0:38:55.280 --> 0:38:56.240 the lie could be the truth. 0:38:56.280 --> 0:39:00.359 And you know, Black Heaven Baltimore says, we stole song 0:39:00.480 --> 0:39:01.880 like we're we're an empire. 0:39:02.200 --> 0:39:04.640 It was a little bit and listen at a shout 0:39:04.640 --> 0:39:08.239 out to Cloud and it was never I never faulted them. 0:39:08.280 --> 0:39:11.799 I always fault at Frank Ferrion. I always faulted uh, 0:39:12.239 --> 0:39:16.120 Steve Franco, the owner of Studio Records, because I might 0:39:16.200 --> 0:39:18.560 be sitting here as an artist. You know what I mean, 0:39:18.600 --> 0:39:20.600 if they would have did the right thing, you know 0:39:20.640 --> 0:39:22.919 what I mean, I could have never did for Gerdyos true, 0:39:22.920 --> 0:39:25.440 what Billivy nearly did for Gerdios true. You know what 0:39:25.440 --> 0:39:27.880 I mean. I'm not wearing tight pants, i ain't jumping 0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:31.719 up like that. I'm not doing this and all that. 0:39:31.760 --> 0:39:35.440 Those things that happened, and so I think God made that. 0:39:35.480 --> 0:39:37.640 If anything, this is kind of a blessing in disgust. 0:39:37.960 --> 0:39:40.200 It was, and I always tell people, if I had 0:39:40.200 --> 0:39:42.319 to do it all over again, I would allow it 0:39:42.360 --> 0:39:44.799 to happen because a lot of things came up and 0:39:44.840 --> 0:39:46.600 I made a lot of money at a young age 0:39:47.160 --> 0:39:50.320 off the record, I traveled the world. Off of the record, 0:39:50.400 --> 0:39:53.440 I opened up for people who eventually were signed to me. 0:39:54.719 --> 0:40:00.239 Depth there I developed friendships that to this day we're 0:40:00.280 --> 0:40:04.120 raising kids. Now you know what I mean. I've became 0:40:04.400 --> 0:40:07.120 the I became an intern and was ab come to 0:40:07.160 --> 0:40:10.759 president in seven years of Deftem because I knew how 0:40:10.920 --> 0:40:13.760 artists should be treated because I was one. I traveled, 0:40:13.760 --> 0:40:16.239 I did did everything that they could do. So to me, 0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:19.840 why would I want to write it differently? I couldn't. 0:40:19.960 --> 0:40:22.319 I couldn't imagine doing nothing. Yea, it's still the next 0:40:22.320 --> 0:40:29.960 one too, if you want. You know, all right, this 0:40:30.000 --> 0:40:30.920 is quest of Supreme. 0:40:30.960 --> 0:40:32.799 We're here with Kevin Lyles and he's telling us the 0:40:32.840 --> 0:40:35.520 story behind the song he co wrote called Girl. 0:40:35.560 --> 0:40:36.240 You know it's true? 0:40:37.400 --> 0:40:42.360 So am I to assume that Newmark's kind of imploded 0:40:42.400 --> 0:40:45.600 around this time as well? And nah, so you guys 0:40:45.640 --> 0:40:48.440 still went strong, Like how long did the group last time? 0:40:48.480 --> 0:40:51.480 Well, we went from five members down to three members 0:40:51.680 --> 0:40:55.160 and it became me and uh Rod and DJ Spin 0:40:55.880 --> 0:41:01.400 and we started to do quote unquote more uh Baltimore 0:41:01.719 --> 0:41:04.200 music along with hip hop stuff that I like. There's 0:41:04.239 --> 0:41:06.040 a record that we put out on we put our 0:41:06.040 --> 0:41:07.680 own label because we had a little money then called 0:41:07.719 --> 0:41:10.239 Max Brothers Records, And there was a record we put 0:41:10.239 --> 0:41:13.120 out called drop Down to Your Knees and a record 0:41:13.320 --> 0:41:15.640 we called do You Want To? And they were to 0:41:15.719 --> 0:41:18.880 probably the last records that I made, But we kept 0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:21.520 going and doing it and then again. 0:41:21.600 --> 0:41:22.560 Or what made you? 0:41:22.600 --> 0:41:25.279 Well, what was the deciding factor of this straw that 0:41:25.320 --> 0:41:28.000 broke the camel's back, Like maybe this isn't the route 0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:30.400 to take and I should do something else. 0:41:34.520 --> 0:41:37.319 The Milli Vanilla, the middle of Vanilli thing really paid 0:41:37.480 --> 0:41:41.480 played a role in it. But then the internship at 0:41:41.520 --> 0:41:43.400 Deaf Jam. 0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:45.000 Yeah, so how does that happen? 0:41:45.080 --> 0:41:52.359 Like you're at least a a compensated, established figure and 0:41:53.000 --> 0:41:55.120 how did you How did you get in the sights 0:41:55.120 --> 0:41:57.840 of Russell Simmons for him to say you're going to 0:41:57.920 --> 0:42:00.799 work in the mail room? Was it just a job 0:42:01.000 --> 0:42:03.239 test for you? Like, no, I'm going to start you 0:42:03.280 --> 0:42:07.560 at the very bottom and literally remember Jack the rapper? Yes, 0:42:08.280 --> 0:42:11.160 remember impact on concerts. I used to go there and 0:42:11.200 --> 0:42:15.560 be the mad rapper. Why I know I want to 0:42:15.560 --> 0:42:17.799 sign me? I sold records I did this, y'all know. 0:42:17.840 --> 0:42:20.719 That's why I was mad, you know. And then I 0:42:20.800 --> 0:42:27.360 ran into uh my mentor, Wes Johnson, God rest his soul. 0:42:27.640 --> 0:42:30.920 West says cab man. You know when I was in 0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:32.919 Baltimore used to play your records. I said, yeah, West, 0:42:32.920 --> 0:42:34.520 I know you used to play my records. You know me? 0:42:34.840 --> 0:42:37.239 He said, you know, I'm the senior vice president of 0:42:37.239 --> 0:42:39.600 marketing promotions for death Jam. Now I said, get out 0:42:39.640 --> 0:42:41.759 of here. I said, well, sign me to death Jam. 0:42:42.239 --> 0:42:45.040 He said, I on really sign them in promotions. I said, well, 0:42:45.080 --> 0:42:47.400 give me a job. He said no, but you can 0:42:47.480 --> 0:42:51.200 in turn. Now what you said, I was making money, okay, 0:42:51.520 --> 0:42:59.799 I said, intern in turn deaf Jam intern Cool. So 0:43:00.040 --> 0:43:03.319 Wes Johnson said, you know what I'm had this guy inter. 0:43:03.440 --> 0:43:06.439 He said, By the way, we're hiring a guy named 0:43:06.520 --> 0:43:08.160 Kevin Mitchell from Boston. 0:43:08.520 --> 0:43:10.040 Vin Mitchell. I'm kidding. 0:43:10.040 --> 0:43:14.080 This is that Yes, a guy from Boston, and we're 0:43:14.120 --> 0:43:17.960 gonna put him in the mid Atlantic. We like him. Uh, 0:43:18.080 --> 0:43:19.239 and you can intern for him. 0:43:19.360 --> 0:43:22.400 So I said, you were Kevin Mitchell's intern. 0:43:22.600 --> 0:43:25.320 Kevin Mitchell's interns Mitchell. 0:43:25.440 --> 0:43:27.480 Kevin, all right, I'm thinking the same thing. 0:43:27.480 --> 0:43:29.520 He's gonna let you know, Kevin Mitchell was but for 0:43:29.600 --> 0:43:33.000 the roots if you know, of course, like no roots 0:43:33.000 --> 0:43:36.799 are listening to my radio show, so I will tell 0:43:36.840 --> 0:43:40.680 them about this. When we signed to Geffen, I mean 0:43:40.760 --> 0:43:42.799 basically because. 0:43:42.480 --> 0:43:45.880 There was no staff, but they had millions. 0:43:47.880 --> 0:43:51.160 They did some unheard of shit was basically, here, you 0:43:51.200 --> 0:43:53.600 take the credit cards, show us the receipts. 0:43:53.680 --> 0:43:54.640 Don't overspend. 0:43:54.840 --> 0:43:57.840 Like again, you know, Dale's record was made for like 0:43:57.880 --> 0:44:01.160 twenty thousand, ciper Seals records made for like sixty thousand. 0:44:01.440 --> 0:44:03.200 They just gave us an open credit card. 0:44:03.800 --> 0:44:08.279 And also like two employees from loud RCA and three 0:44:08.320 --> 0:44:12.840 employees from deaf Jet, which were Francesca Spiro, Derreck Jackson, 0:44:13.280 --> 0:44:18.080 and Kevin Mitchell, they would they would uh moonlight uh 0:44:18.560 --> 0:44:19.200 with Geffen. 0:44:19.880 --> 0:44:22.400 And my our experience with Kevin was that he was 0:44:22.440 --> 0:44:23.760 mister McGoo. He was blind. 0:44:23.840 --> 0:44:27.800 He was the cartoon figure that had thick bottle glasses 0:44:27.800 --> 0:44:30.680 when he's driving. One night, he was just asleep at 0:44:30.680 --> 0:44:34.520 the wheel and we were on the other side of 0:44:34.520 --> 0:44:36.400 the road like in dumb and dumber, like he just 0:44:36.480 --> 0:44:40.000 somehow wound up with oncoming traffic at three in the morning. 0:44:40.080 --> 0:44:43.520 We woke up like like we were going to die. 0:44:43.560 --> 0:44:46.600 So yes, But Kevin Mitchell's my man besides trying to 0:44:46.640 --> 0:44:49.880 kill us, he was. He's a really great friend and 0:44:50.239 --> 0:44:52.920 still a friend to us now. But you were his intern. 0:44:53.080 --> 0:44:55.840 I was Kevin's intern. And it was so fun craziest 0:44:55.880 --> 0:44:57.840 thing I've heard in my life. It was you you 0:44:58.239 --> 0:45:02.000 love the story. So keV didn't know Baltimore whatever. So 0:45:02.120 --> 0:45:05.000 keV h hissed me. He said, Wes West said, you're 0:45:05.000 --> 0:45:06.759 gonna help me out. I said, yoh, yeah, whatever you need. 0:45:06.800 --> 0:45:08.960 Wes my man. Now again, I'm making money. I'm good. 0:45:09.000 --> 0:45:12.319 I ain't worried about it wasn't the money thing. So 0:45:12.800 --> 0:45:16.440 Kevin called me and said, Yo, I'm downstairs at V 0:45:16.480 --> 0:45:19.759 one o three, but I can't get upstairs. I said, 0:45:20.040 --> 0:45:22.680 you can't get upstairs? So what you called me for? 0:45:22.680 --> 0:45:24.280 He said, because your man is on Frank. 0:45:24.400 --> 0:45:24.919 I said yeah. 0:45:24.960 --> 0:45:29.200 I said, so you calling me to get you upstairs 0:45:29.239 --> 0:45:31.080 and that's your job and they paying you to do this. Now, 0:45:31.080 --> 0:45:33.840 I had a little attitude about it, I said, So 0:45:33.880 --> 0:45:36.080 I called Frank Frank yo my man. He one of us. 0:45:36.080 --> 0:45:38.360 He good and me and Frank Frank was my wedding. 0:45:38.400 --> 0:45:41.400 That's my guy guy. So he he said, keV, I'll 0:45:41.400 --> 0:45:42.799 see him whatever you want me to do, blah blah 0:45:42.800 --> 0:45:44.840 blah this, And it was that moment where I always 0:45:44.840 --> 0:45:47.760 paid respects to Kevin Mitchell. Kevin got on the conference 0:45:47.760 --> 0:45:49.760 because he will let me listen on the conference calls 0:45:49.920 --> 0:45:56.239 to learn. Kevin said, my intern is going to run 0:45:56.360 --> 0:45:59.839 the company, and y'all gonna act crazy if y'all want, 0:45:59.880 --> 0:46:04.520 because the ship he can pull off. Here I'm and 0:46:04.560 --> 0:46:08.080 so that's really how he let me. He let me live, 0:46:08.480 --> 0:46:10.360 and I did work, but he let me live, you know, 0:46:10.360 --> 0:46:10.840 I mean. 0:46:10.680 --> 0:46:14.279 All right, I'm gonna let you know something because most 0:46:14.280 --> 0:46:18.840 of the industry folklore that at least people my age 0:46:18.920 --> 0:46:23.759 know about is the story of Sean Combe's getting on 0:46:23.760 --> 0:46:26.560 a train every day at Howard and going to New 0:46:26.640 --> 0:46:27.879 York every day and you. 0:46:27.760 --> 0:46:30.759 Know, uptown records blah blah blah blah blah. But I'm 0:46:30.760 --> 0:46:31.479 gonna tell you something. 0:46:32.520 --> 0:46:37.680 There's two stories I always heard that set or at 0:46:37.760 --> 0:46:42.200 least set me on the path for how I dealt 0:46:42.280 --> 0:46:44.719 with interns. You don't even know this. You don't even 0:46:44.760 --> 0:46:48.440 know this one was you. You always heard stories of 0:46:48.520 --> 0:46:50.680 James Brown. James Brown used to always tell like all 0:46:50.760 --> 0:46:54.680 his band members, find the the the lowest. 0:46:54.880 --> 0:46:56.759 He would call him the coffee boy, the water boy. 0:46:57.200 --> 0:46:59.520 He says, they don't I guess the term intern wasn't 0:46:59.600 --> 0:47:02.279 out back in the fifties or sixties, but James Brown 0:47:02.400 --> 0:47:05.080 used to always say, find the coffee boy, the water boy, 0:47:05.200 --> 0:47:07.000 and make him feel like he's on top of the world, 0:47:07.080 --> 0:47:09.960 because one day, in twelve years, he's. 0:47:09.719 --> 0:47:10.920 Going to be signing your checks. 0:47:12.920 --> 0:47:17.520 My my an r Wendy Goldstein told me a story 0:47:17.880 --> 0:47:20.400 where she was like, look, we're gonna have to do 0:47:20.440 --> 0:47:23.759 real grassroots stuff. It's not gonna be glamorous whatever. You're 0:47:23.760 --> 0:47:26.319 going to do these college radio shows and stuff, you know, 0:47:26.360 --> 0:47:27.840 because then we had lofty goals. 0:47:28.080 --> 0:47:28.879 It was ninety four. 0:47:29.160 --> 0:47:32.239 You're seeing all these videos and everything, and you're like, well, 0:47:33.120 --> 0:47:35.680 when's our hype William's video moment going to happen, and 0:47:36.120 --> 0:47:37.920 you know, we're like nineteen to a van and all 0:47:37.920 --> 0:47:40.360 that stuff. And she just told me like, look, patients, 0:47:40.719 --> 0:47:45.000 stay the course and whatever you do, always be nice 0:47:45.040 --> 0:47:47.840 to the interns and the lowly people because it's going 0:47:47.920 --> 0:47:50.520 to pay off in ways you don't know. And she 0:47:50.600 --> 0:47:53.200 told me a story. You know, Kevin Long, he wrote 0:47:53.239 --> 0:47:56.440 col you know it's true and still was there. She 0:47:56.440 --> 0:47:59.000 would tell me the stories of like, I guess your 0:47:59.080 --> 0:48:02.040 reputation was that you would show up to work earlier 0:48:02.080 --> 0:48:03.840 than anyone. 0:48:03.360 --> 0:48:07.399 And lead the latest just to let them know. And 0:48:07.480 --> 0:48:11.600 she told me that, and like that stuck with me. 0:48:11.680 --> 0:48:14.440 It's not like I was like WHOA, Okay, well be 0:48:14.600 --> 0:48:17.160 nice to but because it just always stuck with me. 0:48:17.840 --> 0:48:22.000 And I'll say to this day, every CEO. 0:48:23.239 --> 0:48:25.399 Or a head of a company that I've ever done 0:48:25.440 --> 0:48:28.760 business with, at least in the last ten years between 0:48:29.160 --> 0:48:31.960 two thousand and six and twenty sixteen, and I've done 0:48:32.040 --> 0:48:35.840 a lot of business like pay my mom a house 0:48:35.880 --> 0:48:39.800 off business, they it all starts with the same story 0:48:39.840 --> 0:48:42.040 that I forget, which is, hey, I don't know you 0:48:42.040 --> 0:48:45.239 don't remember this, but this is one time we were 0:48:45.239 --> 0:48:47.640 at Brown University, and you know, I was interned at 0:48:47.640 --> 0:48:50.399 this college media station and I asked you if I. 0:48:50.320 --> 0:48:51.000 Could do an interview. 0:48:51.000 --> 0:48:54.359 You gave me like a nine hour interview, only one 0:48:54.400 --> 0:48:55.239 in five minutes and no. 0:48:55.239 --> 0:48:55.359 No. 0:48:55.600 --> 0:49:00.800 And that's because I always remember it really shocked the 0:49:00.880 --> 0:49:06.040 host of the podcast. Yeah, well, I'm like, okay, I'm 0:49:06.120 --> 0:49:12.320 I'm chatty, but I'm just saying that Heaven. 0:49:12.600 --> 0:49:16.759 Kevin and Wendy and Franchessica and Derek like always tell 0:49:16.840 --> 0:49:19.440 me make sure that when you go to these colleges 0:49:19.520 --> 0:49:22.000 you treat the intern like that stuck with me and 0:49:22.040 --> 0:49:27.319 you were like always their example. So I mean you 0:49:27.680 --> 0:49:32.480 entered death Chamman in ninety one, ninety one, so this period. 0:49:33.239 --> 0:49:35.960 Dark days Man, not quite. I feel like it was 0:49:36.000 --> 0:49:38.720 the last. I feel like ninety one is the last 0:49:39.040 --> 0:49:43.520 good year of the of the old death jam woman. 0:49:43.560 --> 0:49:43.680 You know. 0:49:44.680 --> 0:49:46.719 Yeah that was not for real, that was like the 0:49:46.840 --> 0:49:49.520 classic logo death Jammy. That was the last period. 0:49:50.040 --> 0:49:53.960 So when you were there, what were your duties as intern? 0:49:54.560 --> 0:49:57.239 Well, you know, I was still in Baltimore, so was 0:49:57.360 --> 0:50:00.680 whatever Kevin Mitchell needed, you know what I mean. And 0:50:00.840 --> 0:50:03.640 at that time was Deaf Comedy Jam was coming and 0:50:03.719 --> 0:50:07.560 all these things were being created and Fat Farm and all. 0:50:07.760 --> 0:50:10.680 So so Russell's having you work all the products, not 0:50:11.040 --> 0:50:13.880 just yeah. Yeah, it was to shut them down, remix 0:50:13.920 --> 0:50:15.279 and make sure these DJs get it. 0:50:15.880 --> 0:50:19.960 We used everything for everything. So we used to do 0:50:20.080 --> 0:50:23.360 radio programs where we fly people into Deaf Comedy Jam. 0:50:23.600 --> 0:50:27.320 So I flopped fire all the program directors, artists, everybody 0:50:27.360 --> 0:50:31.040 in promotion. They wanted to close the wear so it 0:50:31.040 --> 0:50:33.920 would give them fat fat farm. You know, so we 0:50:33.920 --> 0:50:36.920 we did everything. It kept evolving, so it wasn't and 0:50:37.160 --> 0:50:39.200 it wasn't work quest. To be honest with you, I 0:50:39.239 --> 0:50:39.840 got to wear. 0:50:39.920 --> 0:50:42.680 So you wanted to remember names and shake hands and 0:50:42.760 --> 0:50:43.480 kiss babies. 0:50:43.560 --> 0:50:47.680 And I wanted to make people feel like they met me, 0:50:48.760 --> 0:50:49.879 not like they shook my hand. 0:50:50.880 --> 0:50:52.560 But what was the end game for you? 0:50:53.640 --> 0:50:56.080 Like back in ninety one, if you're like, Okay, I'm 0:50:56.120 --> 0:50:56.920 meeting this figure and. 0:50:56.920 --> 0:50:58.000 Da da da da da da da. 0:50:58.120 --> 0:51:00.239 Are you singing down the line like one day I'll 0:51:00.280 --> 0:51:02.480 start my own label or not. 0:51:02.760 --> 0:51:07.280 I just I'm that's a different dude. If I'm cooking, 0:51:07.360 --> 0:51:10.160 I want to make the best meal. If I'm intern, 0:51:10.239 --> 0:51:15.480 I want to be the best intern. If I'm rapping, 0:51:15.520 --> 0:51:16.920 I want to be the I just wanted to be 0:51:16.920 --> 0:51:19.480 the best. So I never thought about being the president. 0:51:20.200 --> 0:51:22.880 Do you think coming from Baltimore that I would be 0:51:22.920 --> 0:51:27.719 the president CEO? No, nobody knew me. I don't have 0:51:27.760 --> 0:51:28.680 family in any. 0:51:28.960 --> 0:51:33.200 But the thing is that because you were kept because 0:51:33.280 --> 0:51:37.600 that you were Kevin Mitchell's intern in ninety one, and 0:51:37.640 --> 0:51:40.560 byen ninety nine you're the president of the damn label 0:51:41.600 --> 0:51:44.400 that tells me that you had a. 0:51:44.440 --> 0:51:48.120 Very marksmanlike determination and ambition. 0:51:48.840 --> 0:51:52.040 I'm sorry where you well, No, no, no no, I don't 0:51:52.040 --> 0:51:54.839 mean like a a scandalous way. 0:51:54.880 --> 0:51:56.680 I'll give you some point. I never I never wanted 0:51:56.680 --> 0:51:57.280 to be president. 0:51:57.840 --> 0:51:58.120 I never. 0:51:58.280 --> 0:52:00.239 I never knew what it was, to be honest, which 0:52:00.280 --> 0:52:02.320 I never didn't know what it was. I thought Russell 0:52:02.360 --> 0:52:05.440 would be there forever. I thought thought Leo would be that. 0:52:05.480 --> 0:52:08.160 I never knew that was attainable from a kid from me. 0:52:08.400 --> 0:52:11.360 But what told you, first of all is that folklore 0:52:11.360 --> 0:52:13.800 I heard that was true. Mitchell would say. 0:52:13.640 --> 0:52:16.640 Like you'd show up at eight in the morning like 0:52:16.840 --> 0:52:19.000 most people get into ten eleven. 0:52:19.239 --> 0:52:19.920 I'm serious. 0:52:20.880 --> 0:52:24.040 So what tells you I need to be there at 0:52:24.280 --> 0:52:27.719 eight thirty a m. Every day before everyone gets there. 0:52:28.400 --> 0:52:30.520 I went to school to be an electrical engineer. My 0:52:30.560 --> 0:52:34.279 scholarship was from Nassau. I wasn't playing with. 0:52:37.760 --> 0:52:39.839 From Baltimore CPI. 0:52:41.200 --> 0:52:45.799 No, I was. I was again I was. I guess 0:52:45.800 --> 0:52:47.359 I was a cool NERD you know what I mean. 0:52:47.719 --> 0:52:50.280 I always wanted to be the best, and I remember 0:52:50.680 --> 0:52:52.719 when I came to death sand was the joke that 0:52:52.719 --> 0:52:54.560 I would say, oh, come in when I came to 0:52:54.640 --> 0:52:57.440 New York, and I'm like, why people come here at 0:52:57.480 --> 0:53:00.880 ten thirty eleven o'clock You missed the radio station is 0:53:00.920 --> 0:53:02.520 on twenty four hours a day, seven days a week. 0:53:02.719 --> 0:53:03.839 Why you what you mean? 0:53:03.920 --> 0:53:05.560 And then by the time you get there, get your coffee, 0:53:05.560 --> 0:53:09.200 head of water cooler. Movement to lunch was there was there. 0:53:09.200 --> 0:53:15.280 A teacher's pet kind of uh uh scarlet letter attached 0:53:15.320 --> 0:53:19.879 to your shoulder, like you know, Kevin, like they us. 0:53:19.880 --> 0:53:22.000 Look. They tried to throw me out the building a 0:53:22.000 --> 0:53:24.080 couple of times. People would tell on me. I had 0:53:24.080 --> 0:53:27.759 people flip over desk in front of me. I had 0:53:28.080 --> 0:53:33.000 somebody tried to get me fired at Howard because I 0:53:33.080 --> 0:53:36.040 left them because they were late and I had to 0:53:36.040 --> 0:53:38.839 get the group to the radio station. So I don't 0:53:38.840 --> 0:53:42.360 play that. I'm about the group doing what they're supposed 0:53:42.400 --> 0:53:43.759 to do. So I left them. So they sent this 0:53:43.840 --> 0:53:45.880 long letter, and so I had to be you know, 0:53:46.239 --> 0:53:48.480 being an engineer, you know you you do weird stuff. 0:53:48.480 --> 0:53:50.560 So I had to write a response to that letter. 0:53:52.040 --> 0:53:58.520 Mine was like this this after every single thing it was, 0:53:59.080 --> 0:54:02.600 you kept notes weirdo, I kept it was weird. Oh shit, 0:54:02.880 --> 0:54:04.680 you know what I mean? But but I tell you, 0:54:04.719 --> 0:54:07.759 but it taught me all the engineering I used to 0:54:07.840 --> 0:54:11.640 manage a telemarketing office of four hundred people three different shifts. 0:54:12.000 --> 0:54:15.879 Taught me how to rate, how to communicate. Engineering taught 0:54:15.880 --> 0:54:18.480 me to be thoughtful, and being an artist that's taught 0:54:18.640 --> 0:54:21.279 taught me how to treat people how you know I 0:54:21.320 --> 0:54:25.400 want to be treated and so I would really work hard. 0:54:25.640 --> 0:54:27.239 Like I said, it wasn't easy because they tried to 0:54:27.239 --> 0:54:30.440 throw me out the building. I remember my first mistake, 0:54:30.520 --> 0:54:32.280 well not my first stake, well one of the mistakes 0:54:32.280 --> 0:54:35.360 they almost got me looked at crazy. I did a 0:54:35.400 --> 0:54:40.120 show with Biggie Small's method Man, Redman, Onyx and somebody. 0:54:40.400 --> 0:54:43.120 But I did it in a museum doing Howard Homecoming, 0:54:43.200 --> 0:54:49.400 Oh logo on the building, Death College jam on the building. 0:54:51.160 --> 0:54:53.920 Three hundred thousand dollars. Later, after they destroyed the place, 0:54:56.239 --> 0:55:00.399 come on and I had to explain why I would 0:55:00.440 --> 0:55:05.200 think doing a show in the museum displaying the rationale. 0:55:05.239 --> 0:55:07.360 So I said, well, first off, nobody would throw a 0:55:07.400 --> 0:55:09.200 show a museum, and I think hip hop is art. 0:55:09.400 --> 0:55:12.799 Hip hop deserves to be in the museum. Secondly, I 0:55:12.840 --> 0:55:14.879 feel like if you shine your logo like a bad 0:55:14.920 --> 0:55:17.120 time people come to it, So I had two thousand 0:55:17.160 --> 0:55:20.520 people out inside and another three thousand people outside. Thirdly, 0:55:20.920 --> 0:55:23.840 I thought by having Biggie Smalls and method Man performed 0:55:23.840 --> 0:55:28.120 the what for the first time had this opportunity that 0:55:28.160 --> 0:55:32.279 I thought it would be a moment. The other time, 0:55:32.360 --> 0:55:39.600 honest never been in the museum, so it was just 0:55:39.640 --> 0:55:43.359 a moment of time. And and Leor said, what did 0:55:43.360 --> 0:55:45.640 you learn? I said, I learned that I would do 0:55:45.680 --> 0:55:47.200 it again, but I would have insurance. 0:55:48.640 --> 0:55:50.600 And what does it feel like twenty years later when 0:55:50.840 --> 0:55:52.600 Picasso Baby comes out and it's. 0:55:52.440 --> 0:55:55.719 Like, I'm only I'm only telling you. Like I, it's like, 0:56:00.120 --> 0:56:03.279 wanted to be That's not to interrupt you. Sorry, I 0:56:03.320 --> 0:56:05.520 never wanted to be president. Matter of fact, in ninety 0:56:05.600 --> 0:56:07.319 six they came to me and said, you know, we 0:56:07.360 --> 0:56:08.839 want to make you president. I said, but I don't 0:56:08.840 --> 0:56:11.239 know the world. I don't I don't how can I 0:56:11.280 --> 0:56:13.399 be president? And I don't know the world. I don't 0:56:13.440 --> 0:56:16.000 know what hip hop looks like in London or in Paris, 0:56:16.080 --> 0:56:18.160 and in Japan, I don't really know what it looks like. 0:56:18.239 --> 0:56:21.520 So I need more time. So then ninety seven came 0:56:21.560 --> 0:56:24.600 around and it was like, yo, you really have to, 0:56:25.719 --> 0:56:28.800 we really want to, you know, And then in ninety 0:56:28.800 --> 0:56:30.240 eight I said, you know, I'm ready. 0:56:30.320 --> 0:56:35.640 Now, Okay, there's a common denominator for this show. 0:56:36.480 --> 0:56:41.719 We're still a baby, and I feel like next to 0:56:43.480 --> 0:56:47.920 Stories of the Tunnel. For New York Rappers, the second 0:56:48.000 --> 0:56:54.320 common denominator is the leor element, either imitating leor or 0:56:55.000 --> 0:56:55.760 kind of. 0:56:55.719 --> 0:56:59.000 What did Lee or leor yeah? Whatever has leor ever 0:56:59.040 --> 0:57:00.000 thrown anything at you? 0:57:01.640 --> 0:57:04.080 I don't believe you saying this question. 0:57:07.040 --> 0:57:07.840 Over here. Question? 0:57:12.000 --> 0:57:17.560 So of course you you got to work in uh 0:57:19.160 --> 0:57:25.480 pre yoga, Russell's deaf jam, uh maybe lunch. 0:57:25.240 --> 0:57:27.560 Throwing lee Or's deaf jam? 0:57:28.240 --> 0:57:33.920 What was okay aside from working in Baltimore. I mean, 0:57:33.960 --> 0:57:36.480 I'm sure there were a few times you stepped in 0:57:36.560 --> 0:57:38.920 the actual building in New York Elizabeth. 0:57:39.440 --> 0:57:39.880 I was there. 0:57:39.880 --> 0:57:42.680 I was when Russell used to live on top of 0:57:42.720 --> 0:57:43.760 Tower records. You know what I mean. 0:57:43.880 --> 0:57:45.480 I was, I was. 0:57:45.560 --> 0:57:48.240 I was in Baltimore. But I was doing so well 0:57:48.360 --> 0:57:49.960 that they would say, come up to New York and 0:57:50.040 --> 0:57:53.080 help with this program, will help with this, or. 0:57:52.840 --> 0:57:54.600 See you work outside of your markets. 0:57:55.360 --> 0:57:58.760 Yo. I remember Mike Caser love my man. He said, Yo, 0:57:59.200 --> 0:58:03.520 I don't have my life, and shit, can you come 0:58:03.600 --> 0:58:08.480 up and get the eighteen passed the van and bring 0:58:08.480 --> 0:58:10.520 Whodini down? Then you know who don He wasn't no 0:58:10.600 --> 0:58:14.000 death Dann but we managed him rush. So I actually 0:58:14.040 --> 0:58:16.320 drove up came to pick the group up in and 0:58:16.360 --> 0:58:18.000 this is how like again I didn't have to do it, 0:58:18.040 --> 0:58:20.840 I'm the intern, but it was a way for me 0:58:20.880 --> 0:58:23.439 to meet who Deini get it in the rush, talk 0:58:23.480 --> 0:58:26.600 tough and do something for somebody who was a friend 0:58:26.640 --> 0:58:28.840 of mine. Gods, you know what I mean. So I 0:58:28.880 --> 0:58:30.240 did that, you know what I mean? So to me, 0:58:30.280 --> 0:58:31.720 it wasn't everything. 0:58:31.760 --> 0:58:35.360 So what was what was the building? Like I try 0:58:35.400 --> 0:58:36.800 to ask Faith. 0:58:36.920 --> 0:58:40.600 I try to ask Faith Newman this question, and she's 0:58:40.720 --> 0:58:47.920 rather diplomatic and not too descriptive. But I mean for 0:58:48.080 --> 0:58:50.800 a person, and you know this is not this is 0:58:50.840 --> 0:58:52.600 not about like throwing people under the bus or whatever. 0:58:52.720 --> 0:58:57.640 But it's just that I've heard so many stories of 0:58:57.760 --> 0:59:04.040 like deaf jam but between eighty five in ninety or 0:59:04.160 --> 0:59:08.560 pre PolyGram so ninety one ninety two, the Christmas parties, 0:59:08.640 --> 0:59:12.720 the you know which which model is now working in 0:59:13.280 --> 0:59:19.280 the room, you know, during the whole griff JDL situation 0:59:19.440 --> 0:59:21.240 and all the guards that had to be out front 0:59:21.280 --> 0:59:25.800 and all that stuff, and just like, what was it like, 0:59:26.000 --> 0:59:31.520 give me a deaf jam, an old politically incorrect death jam. 0:59:31.640 --> 0:59:38.480 Story, like wow that you won't get arrested for a while. 0:59:39.880 --> 0:59:42.080 Rock and roll? Man, I mean, I mean, every every 0:59:42.080 --> 0:59:48.040 bit of everything you could imagine. I never really considered it. 0:59:48.040 --> 0:59:50.520 It just it was. It was really. When I tell 0:59:50.560 --> 0:59:54.640 you rock and roll, everything was happening that could ever happen. 0:59:56.760 --> 0:59:58.040 I'm gonna give you a story. I'm just trying to 0:59:58.080 --> 0:59:58.800 get you to. 0:59:58.840 --> 1:00:00.640 The story said. 1:00:01.960 --> 1:00:04.880 When when the roots finally got to like the industry, 1:00:05.680 --> 1:00:10.919 everything just stopped, Like nineteen ninety five, everybody was like vegetarian. 1:00:10.400 --> 1:00:15.880 Y'all missed the party, and you know the word platonic gotten. 1:00:15.960 --> 1:00:19.880 It's just my paler over there. 1:00:19.960 --> 1:00:20.240 You know. 1:00:21.720 --> 1:00:26.480 Now listen, all like I say, is this there were 1:00:26.520 --> 1:00:33.440 no rules, You were morally incorrect, period, This was nothing. 1:00:34.040 --> 1:00:36.360 The only thing we would know we had to do 1:00:36.440 --> 1:00:39.920 was work hard. That's what the mindset was. Work harder 1:00:39.920 --> 1:00:44.800 than anybody else. But when I tell you, sodam more, 1:00:48.200 --> 1:00:51.320 I'd have seen so much stuff. And but it's understand 1:00:51.320 --> 1:00:55.040 we were kids too, so we and with money and 1:00:55.160 --> 1:00:57.920 you know, growing and people having people growing up together. 1:00:57.920 --> 1:01:00.720 I got I have friends. So I've been to me 1:01:00.760 --> 1:01:05.840 and Learr's twenty five years now, so he was twenty three, no, 1:01:06.320 --> 1:01:08.960 thirty somewhere around there and I was twenty three. 1:01:10.200 --> 1:01:13.960 Would you think you weren't intimidated about Leor? Because I 1:01:14.000 --> 1:01:17.240 even the even people that love and respect, even people 1:01:17.280 --> 1:01:21.520 that respect Leor, if I first, if I gained the 1:01:21.600 --> 1:01:24.600 trust and first mentioned his name, I mean, at least 1:01:24.640 --> 1:01:30.480 a minuscule eye roll happens like Leor, Like the thing 1:01:30.520 --> 1:01:34.240 is like people have their Have you dealt with Leor 1:01:34.320 --> 1:01:35.280 when you guys were Atlantic? 1:01:35.440 --> 1:01:35.800 We did. 1:01:36.000 --> 1:01:39.280 We had a meeting with him. Uh it was interesting, 1:01:40.640 --> 1:01:43.120 you know, I be real with you like I mean, 1:01:43.680 --> 1:01:45.280 and I hopefully we haven't on the show. He probably 1:01:45.480 --> 1:01:47.959 remember the joint. But for me, my meeting with Leo 1:01:48.200 --> 1:01:50.040 was very much to bring it back to the wire. 1:01:50.480 --> 1:01:54.880 It was the canard that's Omar. That was my moment. 1:01:54.960 --> 1:01:57.840 I was, it was like that's Omar because to me, 1:01:58.120 --> 1:02:00.960 like he was like we were talking about it was 1:02:01.000 --> 1:02:03.000 around the town when our album, I think Mitchell Show 1:02:03.040 --> 1:02:06.320 had just came out, and so we had a meeting 1:02:06.480 --> 1:02:09.040 with him and it was just very impromptble. We were 1:02:09.080 --> 1:02:11.320 just like in the hallway and he was like eating 1:02:11.360 --> 1:02:13.240 a sandwich or something and he was just kind of 1:02:13.240 --> 1:02:16.600 standing up. And you know, again from seeing him like 1:02:16.600 --> 1:02:19.080 in documentaries and stuff, he's like a very like intense, 1:02:19.120 --> 1:02:21.000 like he looks like that kind of guy. But then 1:02:21.040 --> 1:02:23.080 I met him and he was just like, oh, yes, 1:02:23.160 --> 1:02:26.040 so Kanye Drife slow. I loved that song, like I 1:02:26.120 --> 1:02:29.280 left Kanye and I was just like, oh, yeah, that's 1:02:29.320 --> 1:02:32.160 a cool song. But our album about come out a nigga, 1:02:32.160 --> 1:02:35.280 what You're gonna do? And so it was just you 1:02:35.360 --> 1:02:37.280 know whatever. I remember it was me, it was it 1:02:37.280 --> 1:02:38.520 was all of us. It was three of us, me, 1:02:38.640 --> 1:02:42.480 Poo and Knife and manager though, and then James Lopez 1:02:42.640 --> 1:02:45.520 who used to be and he was there. Yeah, and 1:02:45.600 --> 1:02:48.600 so we just had that brief interaction and then we 1:02:48.640 --> 1:02:50.520 walked off and I remember asking James, I said, man, 1:02:50.560 --> 1:02:53.280 what do you think that is what just happened? Yeah, 1:02:53.320 --> 1:02:54.400 I was like, what do you think is gonna mean? 1:02:54.520 --> 1:02:57.280 He was just like, man, I don't know. And that 1:02:57.400 --> 1:02:58.920 was it, you know what I'm saying. But that was 1:02:58.920 --> 1:03:01.360 the only real time I had had amusement. But the 1:03:01.360 --> 1:03:04.040 times I had just that one instance and then he 1:03:04.120 --> 1:03:05.880 came to our show the opening night we did it, 1:03:06.000 --> 1:03:08.960 uh at bb King's. Uh, there was like a released 1:03:09.600 --> 1:03:11.440 party or something like that. I can't remember, but we 1:03:11.320 --> 1:03:13.360 were on tour when the album just came out, and 1:03:13.440 --> 1:03:16.360 I mean sold out show. How many minutes? How many 1:03:16.400 --> 1:03:19.320 minutes did he stay? Yeah, I want to say he 1:03:19.480 --> 1:03:22.120 stayed for like a good he stayed. Maybe called like 1:03:22.120 --> 1:03:23.880 the opening set. He probably be called like the first 1:03:23.880 --> 1:03:27.040 like fifteen to twenty minutes. Wow, I think yeah, because he 1:03:27.120 --> 1:03:29.320 you want to know my death jam president minute? 1:03:30.480 --> 1:03:31.200 I love a minute. 1:03:37.760 --> 1:03:41.360 I think. I think jay Z and Beyonce watched one 1:03:41.520 --> 1:03:52.280 verse ship and I turned you know, black man, what happened? 1:03:52.680 --> 1:03:55.360 You said? I can't. Yeah, yeah, they Yeah, they came, 1:03:55.440 --> 1:03:57.160 he gave. I want to say, I don't know if 1:03:57.200 --> 1:03:59.160 you were there. I know the time that me and 1:03:59.280 --> 1:04:01.960 Kevin it was when we did the Uh it was 1:04:02.000 --> 1:04:04.480 a listening part and it was somewhere downtown. I can't remember, 1:04:04.720 --> 1:04:08.240 but apparently, like I remember, the fire alarms kept going 1:04:08.280 --> 1:04:10.000 off that night and we had to cut it short. 1:04:10.160 --> 1:04:12.200 But Uh, that was the first time that me and 1:04:12.240 --> 1:04:14.400 you had met outside the office, and I remember you 1:04:14.440 --> 1:04:17.000 came up and uh, but yeah, I mean my time 1:04:17.040 --> 1:04:20.120 working with him. Again, this is post ninety. You know, 1:04:20.160 --> 1:04:23.520 everybody you know, stop start doing yoga, stop doing cocing shit. 1:04:23.640 --> 1:04:24.320 So it's different. 1:04:24.760 --> 1:04:31.080 But so wait if you if you're just shooting in 1:04:31.080 --> 1:04:32.480 the request love Supremum, been doing. 1:04:32.520 --> 1:04:33.520 We're here with Kevin Lownes. 1:04:33.880 --> 1:04:33.960 Uh. 1:04:34.040 --> 1:04:37.320 We're trying to get uh le Or Cohen stories. 1:04:38.120 --> 1:04:43.320 The thing is, I you know, I respect Leor. I know, 1:04:43.440 --> 1:04:47.080 like it's basically I've heard everything about le Or Cohen. 1:04:47.760 --> 1:04:50.360 He's liar Cohen, or he's an asshole, or he's a 1:04:50.400 --> 1:04:53.480 good businessman, or he's honest with you. I mean, I 1:04:53.520 --> 1:04:58.280 respect because the people in my circle are so blunt 1:04:58.480 --> 1:05:03.200 and so you know, just outright with what they are, 1:05:03.400 --> 1:05:05.800 like they don't hide the truth or anything. 1:05:06.160 --> 1:05:07.280 I meant I can respect that. 1:05:08.040 --> 1:05:11.480 So for for you, what was it about lear I mean, 1:05:11.560 --> 1:05:13.440 did Leor intimidate you in the beginning? 1:05:13.640 --> 1:05:17.440 Or I always said, man that it just must be 1:05:17.560 --> 1:05:25.400 some brotherly love or such respect. He never and this 1:05:25.640 --> 1:05:27.680 might sound weird to you, guys, Learr never yelled at me. 1:05:29.600 --> 1:05:34.120 What did you do to not get from Baltimore? 1:05:34.120 --> 1:05:34.560 Maybe he was? 1:05:34.680 --> 1:05:37.920 And where and be honest with yourself, what was the perception. 1:05:38.760 --> 1:05:41.640 What's the perception of you as you're slowly First of all, 1:05:42.440 --> 1:05:45.520 how long did you intern before they said this guy's 1:05:45.600 --> 1:05:47.560 kind of valuable, let's cut him a check. 1:05:48.040 --> 1:05:48.640 Two years. 1:05:49.920 --> 1:05:52.560 It took two years for them to finally and you 1:05:52.560 --> 1:05:55.240 didn't complain once already? 1:05:55.440 --> 1:05:57.640 No, I didn't. I did like it, really I was. 1:05:57.640 --> 1:05:59.840 I was doing it for the experience and be honest 1:05:59.840 --> 1:05:59.960 with you. 1:06:00.280 --> 1:06:04.520 So if Onyx is throwing oranges at you because the 1:06:04.560 --> 1:06:09.120 Shifty single didn't get added the MTV or something, you're 1:06:09.160 --> 1:06:11.280 not having a They don't pay me enough for this moment. 1:06:11.560 --> 1:06:15.920 Like I looked at not making fun of you, because. 1:06:15.680 --> 1:06:17.439 I looked at it. They were all they were all 1:06:17.920 --> 1:06:21.080 counterparts to me. They were colleagues. I wasn't working for them, 1:06:21.120 --> 1:06:24.160 and I just looked at it differently. It's like, yo, 1:06:24.240 --> 1:06:26.360 I know what you need. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna 1:06:26.360 --> 1:06:28.800 get it done. I'm gonna make sure. Because I was 1:06:28.920 --> 1:06:31.280 like by we, I felt like I'm living. You understand 1:06:31.280 --> 1:06:33.760 some once you're an artist and then you get on 1:06:33.760 --> 1:06:38.480 the other side. I'm really living through all of them. 1:06:38.520 --> 1:06:40.560 So the songs they make when they throwing the guns 1:06:40.600 --> 1:06:43.120 in there and m met A and they read I'm 1:06:43.160 --> 1:06:45.400 living when I say I would be on stage. And 1:06:45.520 --> 1:06:46.920 the joke is even to this day. If you ask 1:06:46.960 --> 1:06:48.920 for what a my artists, they saw, where's Kevin stage? 1:06:48.960 --> 1:06:49.160 Right? 1:06:50.480 --> 1:06:53.080 I said, I alway, sudden, YO, tell me what the 1:06:53.120 --> 1:06:55.959 ad lib you need me to make? If they jumped 1:06:55.960 --> 1:06:57.360 in the crowd, I would jump in the crowd after 1:06:57.880 --> 1:07:00.760 I was just it was just a fatherly kind of like, yo, 1:07:01.360 --> 1:07:04.080 we cruise. So I never I never looked at it 1:07:04.160 --> 1:07:06.000 like that. The time I got was kind of funny. 1:07:06.000 --> 1:07:08.960 When a Kevin Mitchell was moving up, you know, he 1:07:09.080 --> 1:07:11.200 did such a great job in the mid Atlantic, moving 1:07:11.320 --> 1:07:15.400 up to Nashville, take Barbido's job right at Mickshew. So 1:07:16.320 --> 1:07:19.320 they said, well, Kevin, you know you should come interview 1:07:19.320 --> 1:07:24.440 for the job. I've been interning for two years doing 1:07:24.480 --> 1:07:27.840 the job and y'all want me to come interview for 1:07:27.960 --> 1:07:33.160 the job. Cool. So engineer keV had to come back out. 1:07:33.840 --> 1:07:35.920 So I put my whole pack, I got my briefcases, 1:07:35.960 --> 1:07:38.600 put my suit on, got my whole discography of everything, 1:07:38.680 --> 1:07:41.040 got everything I did. I go up there. I'm sitting 1:07:41.080 --> 1:07:43.320 in the room, so everybody laughing at me. 1:07:43.760 --> 1:07:46.320 Y'all in a suit was in a briefcase. 1:07:46.360 --> 1:07:49.480 I said, I came here to take the job. That's 1:07:49.560 --> 1:07:50.960 what I came here to do. I'm gonna show him 1:07:50.960 --> 1:07:54.160 everything that I've done. They said, well, you know, good interview, 1:07:54.480 --> 1:07:57.880 you know great, and appreciate all the paperwork. One month 1:07:57.920 --> 1:08:00.360 go by, two months go by, three months go by. Uh. 1:08:00.480 --> 1:08:02.920 I'm starting to feel a certain way, right because I 1:08:02.960 --> 1:08:05.200 know it's nobody better than me, especially in that area. 1:08:05.320 --> 1:08:08.520 Nobody's better than me in that Philadelphia, DC, Baltimore, Virginia. 1:08:09.480 --> 1:08:11.840 So then I get a call. I remember, Julie calls 1:08:11.840 --> 1:08:15.760 me and says, Kevin Lowles was that of a marketing gig? 1:08:15.840 --> 1:08:22.080 She said, this is Julie from Deaf jam and West's assistant. 1:08:22.400 --> 1:08:24.920 We we think we want you to We want you 1:08:24.960 --> 1:08:28.080 to come work with us. I said, great, I said. 1:08:28.120 --> 1:08:30.080 She said, well, we want to pay you thirty thousand 1:08:30.160 --> 1:08:33.280 dollars like you realize. 1:08:33.880 --> 1:08:34.679 Make it okay? 1:08:34.720 --> 1:08:39.960 Okay? I said, well, I said, well I can work 1:08:40.000 --> 1:08:42.000 with y'all for that. Julie said, no, you'll work for 1:08:42.080 --> 1:08:46.400 us for that. That's my Julie's story. Yeah, so we 1:08:46.680 --> 1:08:49.599 it's I just never worried about it. Man, What about 1:08:49.600 --> 1:08:50.479 the money? Anything? To me? 1:08:50.640 --> 1:08:53.519 That's interesting to hear because I, at least for me 1:08:54.880 --> 1:09:00.000 Le or Lyles, Julie sometimes Mike, Like, all your names 1:09:00.200 --> 1:09:03.599 are synonymous with each other. So you guys all started 1:09:03.600 --> 1:09:07.160 together at death Jam minus Lee or at at in 1:09:07.240 --> 1:09:10.040 lower positions, like when Julie came in? 1:09:10.920 --> 1:09:11.599 When did she. 1:09:11.800 --> 1:09:17.680 Julie was Wes's was Julie was interning and working at Rush. 1:09:17.800 --> 1:09:22.080 Then when when Leo went over to death Jam, Julie 1:09:22.160 --> 1:09:25.360 came was working with Wes assistant Leo a little bit 1:09:25.439 --> 1:09:29.439 and then started working with Wes. Mike Coser was working 1:09:29.439 --> 1:09:32.720 at at Tower Records, and Russell lived on top of Tower. 1:09:33.800 --> 1:09:35.240 Wait, that's how Mike got hurt. 1:09:35.640 --> 1:09:38.559 So he said, yo, you do you do a good 1:09:38.640 --> 1:09:39.680 job with that? You know you want to do? 1:09:39.760 --> 1:09:41.160 Ready all wait a. 1:09:41.160 --> 1:09:49.360 Minute, I'm editing the story a little bit. 1:09:49.400 --> 1:09:53.160 But that's he met him in Tower Records and we 1:09:53.360 --> 1:09:56.240 that's how he started. We read. I remember said I 1:09:56.280 --> 1:10:00.760 was in Baltimore in I remember them saying, yo, you're 1:10:00.760 --> 1:10:04.000 gonna do rhythm radio. And I'm like, well, damn, rhythm 1:10:04.040 --> 1:10:05.680 radio is white. Why do you give it to the 1:10:05.800 --> 1:10:07.800 car Why do they give it them? But they put 1:10:07.800 --> 1:10:09.880 guys in the desks and so you're gonna do rhythm radio. 1:10:09.960 --> 1:10:11.920 He became one of the number one rhythm radio you 1:10:11.920 --> 1:10:12.840 know people out there. 1:10:12.840 --> 1:10:14.679 And that's that's my I mean, did he have experience. 1:10:15.200 --> 1:10:18.400 He worked at Tower Records, like research. 1:10:20.280 --> 1:10:21.559 You know, that's the that's that's the truth. 1:10:21.560 --> 1:10:24.639 But yeah, but you gotta understand something with so every 1:10:24.640 --> 1:10:28.000 time Julie went you know me, we were like brother 1:10:28.040 --> 1:10:29.439 and sisters, you know what I mean. So it's like 1:10:30.120 --> 1:10:33.040 that's like fam Like people talk about Lee. I never 1:10:33.920 --> 1:10:36.040 I Leeo's the kind of guy if we went to 1:10:36.120 --> 1:10:39.799 war today, he's gonna be throw me the fucking bullets. 1:10:39.840 --> 1:10:42.360 I don't take offense to that because we're war. 1:10:42.920 --> 1:10:43.479 I understand. 1:10:43.560 --> 1:10:45.879 And it's intense that I understand. 1:10:45.920 --> 1:10:46.200 I don't. 1:10:46.280 --> 1:10:50.360 That's not you know what I mean, Not no idiot, 1:10:50.640 --> 1:10:52.960 I say, that's he just never went there with me. 1:10:53.040 --> 1:10:55.240 And but here's the other thing though, when he looked 1:10:55.280 --> 1:10:57.920 to his right, when he looked stage right, he know 1:10:57.960 --> 1:11:00.640 he ain't worry about that either. That's the different I'm not. 1:11:00.960 --> 1:11:03.000 I'm gonna be there before him. I'm gonna make sure 1:11:03.200 --> 1:11:05.960 everything's right to this day. I'm gonna make sure it's right. 1:11:06.240 --> 1:11:06.599 Russell. 1:11:06.680 --> 1:11:08.280 I'm gonna make sure it's right to this day. They 1:11:08.400 --> 1:11:11.320 changed my life. They change the trajectory of my family, 1:11:11.360 --> 1:11:16.559 They changed they they gave me first generation money something else, baby, 1:11:16.760 --> 1:11:18.360 So I'm not always pay respect. 1:11:18.120 --> 1:11:21.360 To was did you really did you have a relationship 1:11:21.360 --> 1:11:21.880 with Russell? 1:11:21.960 --> 1:11:26.000 And where is Like if you think def Jam, you're 1:11:26.000 --> 1:11:29.479 always gonna think Russell Simmons. But you know, I know 1:11:29.560 --> 1:11:33.640 that in ninety one he had sort of this octopus 1:11:33.720 --> 1:11:40.600 vision of developing the closed line and developing uh, defy 1:11:40.800 --> 1:11:43.760 def comedy Jam was like more than ninety two ninety three, Yeah, 1:11:44.439 --> 1:11:50.200 but still, uh, I know that the higher upset Sony 1:11:52.000 --> 1:11:57.160 were kind of indifferent And then like, can you explain 1:11:57.280 --> 1:12:03.799 the the ral here because the russ associate labels period. 1:12:03.840 --> 1:12:06.639 Because from my point. 1:12:06.479 --> 1:12:10.760 Of view, as a fan who always read Billboard every 1:12:10.800 --> 1:12:13.960 week and charted stuff, I always loved the fact and 1:12:14.160 --> 1:12:16.639 kind of hated the fact that you guys dep GM 1:12:16.920 --> 1:12:19.599 used to formally flaunt well, you know, we've only been 1:12:19.640 --> 1:12:21.920 out for five years with five artists, and you know 1:12:21.960 --> 1:12:24.800 it's just like ll the slick rick and that's it, 1:12:24.840 --> 1:12:27.280 and then third base and then that's it. And then 1:12:27.320 --> 1:12:30.280 one day in nineteen ninety it was like all these 1:12:30.360 --> 1:12:32.920 Rust associated artists came. 1:12:32.760 --> 1:12:36.840 Through the door Resident Alien and the Dawn. Yeah yeah, 1:12:36.640 --> 1:12:37.960 oh yeah, yeah yeah. 1:12:38.000 --> 1:12:42.320 So with all with suddening, like twelve to thirteen acts 1:12:42.320 --> 1:12:46.559 to deal with and kind of losing their uniqueness, what. 1:12:48.080 --> 1:12:49.760 Do you know what the environment. 1:12:49.520 --> 1:12:53.120 Was with with with Matola and Donnie Iron and the 1:12:53.200 --> 1:12:57.600 Sony higher ups with def Jam and what caused the 1:12:57.640 --> 1:13:02.120 eventual exodus to PolyGram was next correct, So what was 1:13:02.760 --> 1:13:06.679 that period between ninety one and ninety three where things 1:13:06.680 --> 1:13:11.720 were a little cloudy with what made def Jam wants 1:13:11.760 --> 1:13:13.280 just the powerhouse. 1:13:12.680 --> 1:13:13.960 That it was like? 1:13:14.000 --> 1:13:16.920 What was what was that environment like, especially like with 1:13:16.960 --> 1:13:20.200 you and Russ, were you more a Leor guy or 1:13:20.360 --> 1:13:20.920 a Rust guy? 1:13:20.960 --> 1:13:23.559 Like was Russ the Beatles? And Leor was the Rolling Stones? 1:13:23.560 --> 1:13:27.519 And you had to choose, never had to choose, because 1:13:27.640 --> 1:13:33.559 Russell was a visionary Leor was tasked with. All I 1:13:33.560 --> 1:13:36.479 wanted to do was be the greatest recommend He didn't 1:13:36.479 --> 1:13:39.920 care about fat farm or comedy. That wasn't his thing. 1:13:39.960 --> 1:13:42.679 You know. He really wanted to build a great American 1:13:42.720 --> 1:13:45.720 record company, and at that time it was he got 1:13:45.720 --> 1:13:49.639 the rock. So Russe associated labels quote unquote Russell and Leor. 1:13:50.920 --> 1:13:59.520 That's what I never knew that. 1:13:58.880 --> 1:14:02.760 It was Russell, that the Russell lear So it was 1:14:02.920 --> 1:14:05.240 just before it's time. Now, I'm gonna sound kind of 1:14:05.840 --> 1:14:16.320 nerdy here. Sometimes as visionaries you try to put things 1:14:16.360 --> 1:14:20.599 into uh play that it's not just time. We didn't 1:14:20.640 --> 1:14:25.000 have the infrastructure built to support a quote unquote associated 1:14:25.080 --> 1:14:27.920 label venture. But if you think about four or five 1:14:28.000 --> 1:14:31.320 years later, after the infrastructure stability, people came to work 1:14:31.360 --> 1:14:33.640 and all that kind of stuff, we were able to 1:14:33.640 --> 1:14:36.479 do Rockefeller America and piece it was. It was a 1:14:36.520 --> 1:14:39.840 great vision, but the in too early, too early at 1:14:39.840 --> 1:14:41.240 the time because the infrastructure. 1:14:41.280 --> 1:14:42.120 It gave me hope. 1:14:43.960 --> 1:14:47.400 The infrastructure wasn't right, but it was those days. Man, 1:14:47.520 --> 1:14:49.920 Like I said, everybody want you know, Rick was gone 1:14:49.960 --> 1:14:52.200 and everybody wanted to prove they were the next upgrade 1:14:52.240 --> 1:14:54.320 an R and this one knew this one. But the 1:14:54.400 --> 1:14:56.320 real fact that most of the artists that I've ever 1:14:56.400 --> 1:15:00.200 signed in my life were referred to me by other artists. 1:15:00.479 --> 1:15:05.280 Hmm, like, wait, we're not going to get there, he 1:15:05.400 --> 1:15:05.760 let me. 1:15:05.800 --> 1:15:08.160 Did you say, I'm saying like that? That was really like, 1:15:08.479 --> 1:15:12.439 if you think about it, to me, a six degrees 1:15:12.479 --> 1:15:15.320 of separation you want to you got E. P and 1:15:15.400 --> 1:15:19.240 D on the road and his kid kurrn uh scratches crates. 1:15:19.280 --> 1:15:23.479 His name is Redman. Yeah, I mean I can you 1:15:23.520 --> 1:15:27.160 know Shaka Zulu, who we both know worked for me, 1:15:27.360 --> 1:15:30.120 was at the college radio station. He had a friend 1:15:30.280 --> 1:15:34.000 called Chris Love of Lover who was on the radio. 1:15:36.000 --> 1:15:37.479 He wanted to you know. 1:15:38.520 --> 1:15:39.680 You lived in Atlanta as well. 1:15:40.360 --> 1:15:45.280 I transferred from Morgan and went to see a three 1:15:45.439 --> 1:15:47.599 for Brad Street where he was. He was against Chris 1:15:47.640 --> 1:15:49.920 Love a Lover and Poon Daddy and La. 1:15:50.160 --> 1:15:52.920 I don't trust nobody that has more than twelve addresses before. 1:15:54.760 --> 1:15:56.719 By the way, I'm going to continue. 1:15:57.439 --> 1:16:00.880 So no, it's like, so I always met people through 1:16:01.200 --> 1:16:06.439 other people, and it wasn't until the whole research thing 1:16:06.520 --> 1:16:10.360 came that I started to see things outside of the 1:16:10.360 --> 1:16:13.760 people that I knew. But I knew everybody who knew 1:16:14.600 --> 1:16:18.679 you could touch somebody with any you know. We just uh, 1:16:18.720 --> 1:16:21.320 I can't say. But there's this kid that is going 1:16:21.400 --> 1:16:23.519 up someplace right now and we just did a big 1:16:24.520 --> 1:16:28.720 did a deal with him and it's we heard it. 1:16:28.800 --> 1:16:31.080 Somebody said it was popping and we got in and 1:16:31.120 --> 1:16:33.960 got it, you know first. So it's like it's changing now. 1:16:34.040 --> 1:16:36.200 But I really believe we got to I got to 1:16:36.240 --> 1:16:39.679 kill Johnny Stevens from Holly Suspect rock band, number one 1:16:39.840 --> 1:16:43.640 rock record right now. I believe he's gonna find the 1:16:43.680 --> 1:16:46.720 next star in rock. I believe that we did the 1:16:46.760 --> 1:16:49.240 deal with Young Thug for ys L. I believe that 1:16:50.000 --> 1:16:52.960 Young Thug puts out so much music and everybody wants 1:16:53.000 --> 1:16:55.040 to held track he is. 1:16:55.280 --> 1:16:57.880 And so I just believe you believe you believe in 1:16:57.920 --> 1:17:00.920 connectors and bridges. Yes, yes, that's an important thing. 1:17:01.479 --> 1:17:02.280 It is important. 1:17:03.520 --> 1:17:08.400 So when def jam, what was the what was the 1:17:09.520 --> 1:17:13.320 transferring from leaving Sony to PolyGram? 1:17:13.360 --> 1:17:15.080 Were you at all worried. 1:17:14.880 --> 1:17:19.360 That you guys might lose your cachet or your uniqueness, 1:17:19.520 --> 1:17:22.760 or that it might go under or having to deal 1:17:22.840 --> 1:17:26.200 with like who is who is the Matola in the 1:17:26.200 --> 1:17:29.920 the Donnie iron Or of PolyGram at this point when 1:17:29.960 --> 1:17:32.559 you guys go there in ninety four. 1:17:33.920 --> 1:17:41.840 Mm, Wow, the Hitten distribution was Jim Capeo. I think, uh, 1:17:41.880 --> 1:17:45.759 who is the Wow? I really, honestly, I can't remember. 1:17:46.040 --> 1:17:46.840 Damn is that bad? 1:17:47.040 --> 1:17:48.439 That bad? My mind is that bad? 1:17:49.680 --> 1:17:49.960 Okay? 1:17:50.160 --> 1:17:52.120 I can't remember. Let me tell you what I never 1:17:54.200 --> 1:17:58.040 you put you put Leo and Russell together. I don't 1:17:58.080 --> 1:18:03.559 see how you feel. So I never didn't. I see. 1:18:03.600 --> 1:18:06.640 How was it that Sony just didn't understand them or No? 1:18:06.840 --> 1:18:10.280 I think it was we were welcome. You can yell 1:18:10.320 --> 1:18:15.080 at people so much to a point where people might 1:18:15.120 --> 1:18:19.599 and you understand, this was early early days of our culture, 1:18:20.400 --> 1:18:23.759 you know. And so you're going up into Tommy's. 1:18:26.400 --> 1:18:31.719 Has there been a Tommy Lee or a moment of 1:18:33.080 --> 1:18:34.400 sandwiches exchanged? 1:18:35.360 --> 1:18:38.160 I never saw. I never saw it. Heard about some conversations, 1:18:38.200 --> 1:18:39.880 you know, I heard Russell flipped over a couple of 1:18:39.880 --> 1:18:43.000 deaths and things like that, but I never never experienced myself. 1:18:43.560 --> 1:18:49.360 Wow, Okay, So I know that at least my perception 1:18:49.479 --> 1:18:56.200 is that in ninety four, the the anchor record of 1:18:56.560 --> 1:19:00.400 that year that really established def jam to the next 1:19:00.439 --> 1:19:03.280 decade was Orange's album. 1:19:03.600 --> 1:19:05.640 Now it was written let me tell you really what 1:19:05.680 --> 1:19:11.479 it was, the first record we released from Columbia to 1:19:13.439 --> 1:19:19.040 program something the PolyGram Domino. It was Saturday Morning, Yeah, 1:19:19.040 --> 1:19:20.439 Ghetto Jam, Ghetto Jam. 1:19:20.520 --> 1:19:21.840 Yeah. Okay. 1:19:21.920 --> 1:19:26.720 So by that point, you know, you were heavy at 1:19:26.800 --> 1:19:31.200 least in your your knowledge of East Coast from you know, 1:19:31.479 --> 1:19:34.120 the Baltimore. I would assume that you were the d 1:19:34.200 --> 1:19:37.240 m V guy, the Tri State area guy you might 1:19:37.240 --> 1:19:40.240 have known down south markets. Did you know West Coast 1:19:40.240 --> 1:19:43.280 at all? Like who was there to really let you 1:19:43.320 --> 1:19:47.120 guys know? Or was it just like the chronics ripple 1:19:47.280 --> 1:19:49.479 was so strong that it was like we gotta grab 1:19:50.360 --> 1:19:51.559 whoever guessed. 1:19:51.360 --> 1:19:54.439 It on Doctor Dre's chronic record and give them a deal. Now, Like. 1:19:55.840 --> 1:19:59.760 I mean, I'm saying I can't put it so you 1:19:59.840 --> 1:20:03.200 can me open them hip hop So n w A, 1:20:04.000 --> 1:20:07.080 you couldn't talk too short that. I'm like, I was fan. 1:20:07.240 --> 1:20:09.559 I was a fan. I'm young still I'm a fan. 1:20:09.840 --> 1:20:15.080 So to me, wait, I just want to say, as 1:20:15.080 --> 1:20:17.880 an East Coaster, I want to meet a person that 1:20:17.960 --> 1:20:21.480 had my my viewpoint on what the West Coast. 1:20:21.240 --> 1:20:24.439 Was because I wasn't getting I wasn't open to West 1:20:24.439 --> 1:20:25.040 Coast hippop. 1:20:25.120 --> 1:20:27.320 I mean until I mean I heard fuck the police, 1:20:27.760 --> 1:20:29.760 and like I gave him. Okay, I'll give you guys 1:20:29.800 --> 1:20:33.120 an exception and ice cue working with the bomb squad, 1:20:33.240 --> 1:20:36.960 But like, for the most part, there's no way you 1:20:37.000 --> 1:20:39.200 could tell me that the West Coast was going to 1:20:39.240 --> 1:20:42.240 outdo the East Coast ever culturally. 1:20:41.920 --> 1:20:43.400 Or sales wise. 1:20:43.560 --> 1:20:47.040 And then suddenly one day it was like New York 1:20:47.200 --> 1:20:50.200 just lost it's it's it's steemed. 1:20:50.320 --> 1:20:52.919 Yeah, but why can't you tell I never looked again. 1:20:52.800 --> 1:20:56.439 Well, I was young and dumb, weirdo, because I looked 1:20:56.439 --> 1:20:59.439 at it the story that needed to be told needed 1:20:59.439 --> 1:21:03.960 to be told by different tongues, and a Baltimore story 1:21:03.960 --> 1:21:04.719 in New York story. 1:21:04.760 --> 1:21:07.840 There's still a ghetto story in the West everywhere you know, 1:21:07.960 --> 1:21:11.000 never where you go. And so to me, I really 1:21:11.000 --> 1:21:14.320 looked at it as storytelling. Now one was a joke, 1:21:14.400 --> 1:21:17.080 but then there was the police, but they both saying 1:21:17.240 --> 1:21:19.080 kind of the same thing to me. So I really 1:21:19.120 --> 1:21:23.479 looked at it as storytelling. And we went into it 1:21:23.840 --> 1:21:28.400 with def jam West Paul Stewart. UH hired P and 1:21:28.479 --> 1:21:34.880 P hired him. First record I think was this is 1:21:34.920 --> 1:21:39.400 how we do it. But prior to that, this is 1:21:39.400 --> 1:21:41.439 how I learned the West Coast. There was a group 1:21:41.520 --> 1:21:45.040 called a guy called Mellow from Compton and a group 1:21:45.080 --> 1:21:53.240 called South Central Cartel Original. So they said they want 1:21:53.280 --> 1:21:55.200 to do a West Coast promo tour and they loved 1:21:55.200 --> 1:21:58.760 how I put together promo toys. UH and so I 1:21:58.760 --> 1:22:02.559 got in a car. We went from Seattle all the 1:22:02.600 --> 1:22:07.440 way down to San Diego. Over to Phoenix in Colorado. 1:22:08.840 --> 1:22:10.320 You canna tell me nothing about that. I know the 1:22:10.320 --> 1:22:13.920 West Coast, I wrote the Bible of what should be done. 1:22:14.080 --> 1:22:16.040 But I hung. I was in Compton. I remember my 1:22:16.080 --> 1:22:17.800 first I'm gonna tell you what. Sorry, I'm gonna let 1:22:17.800 --> 1:22:23.960 you go. I'm in Compton and it we call but 1:22:24.080 --> 1:22:29.559 you know their version of the bodega. So I'm getting 1:22:29.680 --> 1:22:34.040 some ice tea back then, and bottles started checking. So 1:22:34.080 --> 1:22:36.439 I'm like, who the fuck is back there? What the 1:22:36.479 --> 1:22:39.479 fuck are you doing? I'm mad, Like, yo, stop sucking 1:22:39.520 --> 1:22:42.040 with me. The lady said, in the middle of an earthquake, 1:22:49.000 --> 1:22:50.600 And that was the north Ridge. 1:22:51.640 --> 1:22:54.679 Big So you was in the corner store. 1:22:56.800 --> 1:23:02.840 I was in Compton. I said, what you know why? 1:23:03.920 --> 1:23:04.880 Because I got them started. 1:23:05.200 --> 1:23:13.479 Damn you know every references commercial goodness. 1:23:13.840 --> 1:23:15.200 I don't know I told that story but that. But 1:23:15.200 --> 1:23:17.799 that's my love, my love for I lived there twice 1:23:18.320 --> 1:23:21.719 in my life, and now I just appreciate storytellers being 1:23:21.760 --> 1:23:23.840 able to tell that, no matter what it was. I 1:23:23.880 --> 1:23:25.519 just appreciated people telling the story. 1:23:26.040 --> 1:23:30.479 So, I mean you had no Internet back then. I 1:23:30.520 --> 1:23:33.519 mean now anyone could have the power. I mean the 1:23:33.560 --> 1:23:37.120 power that you had googling something finding out? Okay, where 1:23:37.120 --> 1:23:40.599 can I, uh you know, where can I promote this 1:23:40.640 --> 1:23:43.719 record or hang these posters or or bring my group 1:23:43.800 --> 1:23:45.360 to meet those things? 1:23:46.000 --> 1:23:47.120 But you you're. 1:23:46.960 --> 1:23:49.080 Saying you're writing the Bible on this, Like how do 1:23:49.240 --> 1:23:53.360 who's giving you your research to know this particular market? 1:23:53.400 --> 1:23:55.520 That particular market, this particular market. 1:23:55.240 --> 1:23:59.080 Like touching the people? You tell you you you find 1:23:59.120 --> 1:24:03.400 a hot girl and the god the hustler, and you 1:24:03.560 --> 1:24:05.639 go and you go to the mall. You say, where 1:24:05.680 --> 1:24:06.160 y'all going to? 1:24:06.520 --> 1:24:09.040 This was real? You generally like people. 1:24:11.640 --> 1:24:16.000 Because because we were to take. 1:24:15.960 --> 1:24:18.120 We were to take a quest Love Supremes. All right, 1:24:18.960 --> 1:24:22.960 Slight Detour Special World twenty. 1:24:23.960 --> 1:24:24.759 Do you like people? 1:24:25.280 --> 1:24:29.639 Oh, sugar Steve, do you like people? 1:24:29.720 --> 1:24:31.920 I love good people. I hate shitheads. 1:24:33.960 --> 1:24:38.880 You're lying out already know you hate people everyone? 1:24:40.560 --> 1:24:41.200 I love people? 1:24:41.240 --> 1:24:41.640 You know I do? 1:24:41.720 --> 1:24:42.160 I love people? 1:24:43.920 --> 1:24:46.960 Bill? Do you believe it? I don't believe anything, she says, Margaret. 1:24:47.040 --> 1:24:56.599 I mean you've lived in too many places to tell perk. 1:24:56.880 --> 1:24:59.280 I think I think unpaid Bill is the only person 1:24:59.320 --> 1:25:01.479 in the circle that actually likes. 1:25:01.920 --> 1:25:04.040 But you know what I think. I mean just from 1:25:04.040 --> 1:25:05.840 my people for the record. Now I'm with you. I 1:25:06.120 --> 1:25:08.880 love you guys, not with you this what's the same 1:25:09.000 --> 1:25:12.679 hell as other people. But no, I think from listening 1:25:12.680 --> 1:25:14.760 to what he's saying, from what he was saying, you 1:25:14.760 --> 1:25:17.720 know when you're talking about how it wasn't about you know, 1:25:17.720 --> 1:25:19.600 I plan to be the president. You just want to 1:25:19.600 --> 1:25:23.360 add value to a situation, that value proposition. 1:25:22.920 --> 1:25:23.280 You know what I mean. 1:25:23.320 --> 1:25:25.240 And so to me, like I'm in that way, like 1:25:25.320 --> 1:25:27.400 I don't do I like people know, but if you 1:25:27.439 --> 1:25:29.880 give me a job and say do this job, then 1:25:29.920 --> 1:25:31.680 I'll do what I gotta do because I want to 1:25:31.680 --> 1:25:33.479 deliver on the job. So if I got to go 1:25:33.520 --> 1:25:36.240 talk to people, if I can't, just look how many 1:25:36.280 --> 1:25:38.839 followers through this, nigga got like I gotta really actually 1:25:38.840 --> 1:25:40.479 do that, I would do that. So it makes it 1:25:40.520 --> 1:25:42.479 makes sense. My joint is like, all. 1:25:42.479 --> 1:25:48.360 Right, my my goal And this is not like a 1:25:48.360 --> 1:25:51.160 thing where you're singing riches and all that stuff. But 1:25:51.439 --> 1:25:55.800 in general, my thing was always like, yo, I just 1:25:55.800 --> 1:25:59.560 want to take care of my mom. 1:25:58.120 --> 1:26:00.200 And sugar Steve. 1:26:03.880 --> 1:26:06.840 Reparations for the diabetes. 1:26:07.200 --> 1:26:12.280 No, just take care of my mom. Put out some fires. Yeah, 1:26:12.280 --> 1:26:15.200 and sure Steve put out some fires. Was basically take 1:26:15.240 --> 1:26:19.759 care of If you're black, you're automatically taking carefully seven 1:26:20.160 --> 1:26:22.760 to fourteen people in your life just to put out 1:26:22.760 --> 1:26:29.640 the fire, you know, Like, did I think back in 1:26:30.160 --> 1:26:32.800 nineteen ninety eight, like okay, let me, oh, I'm gonna 1:26:32.840 --> 1:26:34.840 be on the late night show one time? You know, No, 1:26:35.000 --> 1:26:39.200 hell no, I didn't. Somebody sees that far though, I 1:26:39.240 --> 1:26:44.160 get you not seeing that, but you do kind of 1:26:44.200 --> 1:26:48.679 have this live each day's the fullest connect with people, 1:26:49.360 --> 1:26:55.600 remember names, you know, and never burn a bridge. 1:26:56.880 --> 1:26:58.639 At like I don't hear. 1:27:00.080 --> 1:27:03.160 Kevin Lowell stories like I hear and I'm gonna get 1:27:03.200 --> 1:27:07.679 to you and dame history, but I never hear Kevin 1:27:07.720 --> 1:27:09.080 Lowle stories like I hear. 1:27:11.200 --> 1:27:12.920 Like is he really that nice as he perceives? 1:27:14.040 --> 1:27:14.719 Not even nice? 1:27:14.760 --> 1:27:21.120 But I mean, like your reputation even even if like 1:27:21.120 --> 1:27:24.719 like there's not even rumors about you doing someone shady 1:27:24.960 --> 1:27:25.559 or any. 1:27:25.400 --> 1:27:26.040 Of those things. 1:27:26.320 --> 1:27:31.559 I tell you, so some people with Here's what I 1:27:31.600 --> 1:27:37.040 get from people. I might not remember everybody's name, but 1:27:38.280 --> 1:27:42.200 obviously it's like like tonight, I have to get something 1:27:42.200 --> 1:27:45.160 from each one of you guys, or why be in 1:27:45.160 --> 1:27:49.840 the room. So I'm meeting you and sharing things, and 1:27:49.880 --> 1:27:54.160 I'm meeting people all over the world but obviously God 1:27:54.160 --> 1:27:56.280 put me in that place for reasons, so I have 1:27:56.360 --> 1:27:58.600 to share a part of myself. So I wear my 1:27:58.640 --> 1:28:00.960 heart on my sleeve. When you wear your hard and 1:28:00.960 --> 1:28:04.160 the sleeve, you fear none. You just don't worry about 1:28:04.200 --> 1:28:08.439 You just make people feel like they met you, not 1:28:08.560 --> 1:28:08.800 like you. 1:28:09.040 --> 1:28:10.679 Just But what about the ship heads. 1:28:11.439 --> 1:28:13.480 You're not talking about the ship heads. 1:28:13.439 --> 1:28:16.400 So so let me tell you about ship I met 1:28:16.479 --> 1:28:20.800 a couple of of ship heads. But but I even 1:28:20.960 --> 1:28:25.679 understand them. Some people that's the only way they could survive. 1:28:27.040 --> 1:28:30.000 And so, and I'm not trying to get philosophical, will 1:28:30.040 --> 1:28:33.120 be this is what we do. I just, I just 1:28:33.640 --> 1:28:36.559 I really believe that I was put here for a 1:28:36.600 --> 1:28:44.200 greater purpose, and that purpose might Jesus. Jesus walked amongst 1:28:44.240 --> 1:28:51.599 the thieves, the killers, the liars to make away ship 1:28:51.600 --> 1:28:53.920 here's cool' You're not gonna change. You're not gonna change 1:28:53.920 --> 1:28:56.479 who I am. Matter of fact, I'm gonna work on 1:28:56.640 --> 1:29:03.080 being so nice, so nice that hopefully you understand that 1:29:03.520 --> 1:29:05.759 you don't need to be as much of a ship. 1:29:05.640 --> 1:29:10.439 Hit as well. I wish I knew you. Is that 1:29:10.520 --> 1:29:14.120 like where my first GM audition? 1:29:15.479 --> 1:29:17.559 Anyway, I want to get some motivational speaking from lyles 1:29:17.560 --> 1:29:18.640 like in the morning when awake up. 1:29:18.720 --> 1:29:21.280 Yeah, exactly, But seriously, how do you maintain that? Is 1:29:21.280 --> 1:29:25.200 that is that motivation? Motivation? Is medita or was that 1:29:25.280 --> 1:29:26.599 you was it? 1:29:26.640 --> 1:29:30.200 Is this hindsight speaking or is this in nineteen ninety four? 1:29:31.080 --> 1:29:33.560 I'm not well, Okay, Now I want to get to 1:29:33.640 --> 1:29:38.360 the artist you have to deal with because or you 1:29:38.360 --> 1:29:41.000 got to put on that ship to use right, because 1:29:41.040 --> 1:29:45.439 I'm saying that as an artist, I know the the 1:29:45.479 --> 1:29:48.360 plight of the artist, and I know the plight of 1:29:48.479 --> 1:29:52.960 employee at the label and management company. And some of 1:29:52.960 --> 1:29:57.400 the biggest clashes ever in mankind are are with artists 1:29:57.439 --> 1:30:00.320 and managers or the other side of the table. So 1:30:00.600 --> 1:30:07.400 that said, uh, okay, now that def jam is ten 1:30:07.479 --> 1:30:11.160 years old at least in this timeline, how are the 1:30:11.760 --> 1:30:17.400 older established well minus Ll who actually weird enough, had 1:30:18.000 --> 1:30:21.559 the biggest mark of his career ten years into his career. 1:30:22.520 --> 1:30:25.360 I mean, I assume that missus Smith's surpassed. Mama said, 1:30:25.439 --> 1:30:28.600 knock you out as far as comebacks to concerned. But 1:30:28.920 --> 1:30:31.400 I mean, at this rate, a lot of your first 1:30:31.439 --> 1:30:34.080 generation acts, you guys were dealing with Slick Rick and 1:30:34.160 --> 1:30:36.400 his his jail incidents. 1:30:36.560 --> 1:30:37.639 First of all, how. 1:30:39.840 --> 1:30:44.919 How did you guys even manage to get eighteen songs 1:30:44.960 --> 1:30:49.400 out of Slick Rick with six weeks of his life 1:30:49.400 --> 1:30:52.720 before he's about to do five years or herd? 1:30:52.920 --> 1:30:53.000 Like? 1:30:53.080 --> 1:30:54.519 What was that? What was that period? 1:30:54.760 --> 1:30:59.040 Like? I was a that was more so like a 1:30:59.240 --> 1:31:02.120 intern period. It for me, you know, I was just 1:31:02.160 --> 1:31:07.120 coming up and the Slick Rick story was. Rick was 1:31:07.120 --> 1:31:09.880 a storyteller, so he just knew he had to do 1:31:10.479 --> 1:31:14.600 write a lot of records. And it was man. He 1:31:14.680 --> 1:31:16.960 would no, he would listen when I tell you Rick 1:31:17.439 --> 1:31:20.439 and Rick is a good, good friend. And I hope 1:31:20.479 --> 1:31:22.320 I answered the question right because it's I'm gonna go 1:31:22.400 --> 1:31:25.719 outside of Rick. I think my job at that time 1:31:25.960 --> 1:31:31.680 was to preserve legacy with those guys and understand that 1:31:31.680 --> 1:31:34.800 that tired. You put the D in death jam, public enemy, 1:31:34.840 --> 1:31:36.960 you put the E in death jam, Slick Rick, you 1:31:36.960 --> 1:31:39.120 put the F in death jam. You know I had 1:31:39.160 --> 1:31:41.760 to so I treated them like that. I didn't treat 1:31:41.800 --> 1:31:44.640 them like they were old. I didn't treat them like 1:31:44.680 --> 1:31:48.000 they were yesterday. I treat them like they were important 1:31:48.040 --> 1:31:50.400 and today. And this is why to this day, you know, 1:31:51.439 --> 1:31:53.160 Rick and Mandya called me and say hey, we just 1:31:53.160 --> 1:31:55.200 wanted to tell you we love you. Tired to say yo, 1:31:55.760 --> 1:31:59.320 you know, come me and Simone doing this chucker hit 1:31:59.400 --> 1:32:02.840 me and say yo podcasts with you know, I still 1:32:02.840 --> 1:32:05.840 get and and so that moment. And I remember when 1:32:06.960 --> 1:32:09.880 we did behind Bars, he was like, you. 1:32:09.800 --> 1:32:13.720 Know, yeah, war you know that was my ship man. 1:32:13.800 --> 1:32:15.840 I love that joy. That was. 1:32:17.760 --> 1:32:20.880 How'd y'all do that? How'd y'all make a record? And 1:32:20.920 --> 1:32:25.439 then I did it again with Sean when he was 1:32:25.800 --> 1:32:27.599 behind Bars. I did his. 1:32:27.600 --> 1:32:29.880 Uh that the Godfather Buried Alive? 1:32:29.960 --> 1:32:31.920 Yes, I did it. 1:32:32.479 --> 1:32:36.559 And when they're recording under this dress, like how I'm 1:32:36.560 --> 1:32:38.800 just trying to figure out, how are they able to 1:32:39.120 --> 1:32:48.160 even produce uh results with with with that imaginary guns 1:32:48.160 --> 1:32:49.559 in their head like they have to. 1:32:50.840 --> 1:32:52.840 I don't think when you when it's when it's it's 1:32:52.880 --> 1:32:55.120 what you do. It's like saying telling a guy you 1:32:55.160 --> 1:32:58.840 got to build a house in the set of a year, 1:32:58.880 --> 1:33:00.760 you got to build it in six month. It might 1:33:00.760 --> 1:33:02.519 be impossibly, he still knows how to build a house. 1:33:03.120 --> 1:33:04.360 And so I think that I think that at the 1:33:04.439 --> 1:33:07.360 end of the day, these uh, these kids, I think 1:33:07.360 --> 1:33:10.679 that the day they they felt that they gonna decide 1:33:10.680 --> 1:33:12.880 to feed their family. And when you how you when 1:33:12.920 --> 1:33:16.280 you're working to feed your family, you're not writing records right, 1:33:17.000 --> 1:33:18.240 you're surviving, you know. Well. 1:33:18.280 --> 1:33:21.040 Speaking of behind Bars, I gotta give a shout out 1:33:21.080 --> 1:33:22.560 to the warrant you remix to. 1:33:24.320 --> 1:33:26.360 This is behind Bars on Quest Love Supreme. 1:33:26.400 --> 1:33:32.439 We're here with U, super Guru, Kevin question of Supreme. 1:33:32.760 --> 1:33:35.200 You are bro check this out this warn g you 1:33:35.280 --> 1:33:37.680 know what I'm saying. Chilling with my man slick Rick, 1:33:37.760 --> 1:33:39.559 you know, and we're gonna give y'all a little tail 1:33:39.640 --> 1:33:42.120 about that jail stuff. You know, So, Rick, why don't 1:33:42.120 --> 1:33:43.160 you running homie kids? 1:33:43.400 --> 1:33:46.360 Then Islamic colord, I'm innocent, Lord played which he wasn't 1:33:46.400 --> 1:33:48.200 having anything out and raised the lads. 1:33:49.200 --> 1:33:52.639 Situation seemed mad and Roles, Hey your money? 1:33:52.640 --> 1:33:53.160 What size? 1:33:53.560 --> 1:34:00.600 Neither pony to one of us sprang up. That was 1:34:00.960 --> 1:34:04.880 behind bars by a slick Rick. That's right, the Warren 1:34:04.960 --> 1:34:09.240 g remix of behind Bars on Questlove Supreme. There's one 1:34:09.280 --> 1:34:14.000 question I want to ask you. So by this point 1:34:14.080 --> 1:34:17.000 in ninety four, I can say that you're safely in 1:34:17.040 --> 1:34:19.200 the death Sham office not an intern. 1:34:21.160 --> 1:34:22.000 What was. 1:34:23.880 --> 1:34:28.360 What was you guys reaction to music. 1:34:28.120 --> 1:34:32.040 In our message by Public Enemy. Oh my god, because. 1:34:31.800 --> 1:34:36.679 I remember the day. I remember the day that Ursula 1:34:36.760 --> 1:34:42.720 Smith and well back when Set to Run, you guys 1:34:42.800 --> 1:34:48.200 had so many Rush associated companies, but when Ursula became 1:34:48.240 --> 1:34:53.719 her own publicity firm, she was our first, the roots 1:34:53.720 --> 1:34:57.200 first publicist, and I used to just always hang out 1:34:57.240 --> 1:35:00.320 her office and she called me in says or I 1:35:00.360 --> 1:35:02.160 got the new Public Enemy album, you want to hear it? 1:35:03.080 --> 1:35:05.200 And that was. 1:35:07.120 --> 1:35:10.360 That was one of the most coldest days ever because 1:35:11.520 --> 1:35:17.160 because every Public Enemy album from nation to millions, well 1:35:17.200 --> 1:35:23.200 every there's three right, yeah, before I forgot what even 1:35:23.760 --> 1:35:27.000 with bum rust the show, Like every time I listened 1:35:27.040 --> 1:35:28.640 to a Public Enemy album for the first time, it 1:35:28.760 --> 1:35:32.000 was such a life changing moment and for me it 1:35:32.080 --> 1:35:33.120 was like, wow, can. 1:35:32.920 --> 1:35:36.000 They do this to me for a fifth time? The no, 1:35:36.479 --> 1:35:41.120 the answer was yes, but it was it was in 1:35:41.160 --> 1:35:43.479 the wrong way. But in hindsight. 1:35:45.200 --> 1:35:48.200 They were onto something because they were five years before 1:35:49.120 --> 1:35:52.200 the rage against the machine, you know rock wrap thing. 1:35:52.640 --> 1:35:56.320 But I mean I had the same reaction that had 1:35:56.360 --> 1:36:00.479 the same open mouth drawl jopped are they allowed to 1:36:00.520 --> 1:36:00.840 do this? 1:36:01.040 --> 1:36:01.160 Like? 1:36:01.200 --> 1:36:05.760 It was such a radical album? What were you guys? 1:36:06.280 --> 1:36:07.840 Please be explained. 1:36:08.160 --> 1:36:09.560 Chuck's been very honest. 1:36:09.280 --> 1:36:13.240 About how you guys felt about it when you got 1:36:13.280 --> 1:36:13.799 the record. 1:36:15.840 --> 1:36:17.639 What did y'all talk. 1:36:17.479 --> 1:36:19.000 About didn't know what to do? 1:36:21.200 --> 1:36:23.280 Like did Chuck played in front of you guys and 1:36:23.320 --> 1:36:26.040 looked at your faces or just like didn't know what 1:36:26.080 --> 1:36:34.800 to do because at least like, okay, figure that I 1:36:34.800 --> 1:36:35.479 can work with that. 1:36:35.600 --> 1:36:37.560 I don't know what but but but but here's the 1:36:37.600 --> 1:36:43.719 great thing about Gren about deaf Tam. Once you proved yourself, 1:36:44.880 --> 1:36:49.720 who am I to judge? That's where we're going. I 1:36:49.840 --> 1:36:54.360 don't know what to do, but okay, we're gonna see 1:36:54.400 --> 1:36:54.680 what it is. 1:36:54.760 --> 1:36:57.280 Well, it was also well not the second the last album, 1:36:57.280 --> 1:37:01.920 because that was he got game. But well, like there 1:37:01.960 --> 1:37:05.280 was there was just no precedent for I mean, there 1:37:05.280 --> 1:37:08.120 was the Goats. You know, the Goats were kind of mixing, 1:37:08.840 --> 1:37:10.960 they were rocking and wrapped and raised against the machine, 1:37:11.080 --> 1:37:16.720 had one album out beforehand. But did you guys at 1:37:16.760 --> 1:37:22.040 least have a warning that you know, because by that point, 1:37:22.160 --> 1:37:26.640 even even though I mean, Wu Tang still wasn't a 1:37:26.720 --> 1:37:31.439 fully formed figurehead and you know, the group that we 1:37:31.520 --> 1:37:35.960 will worship, so in my mind, like Public Enemy still 1:37:36.000 --> 1:37:39.720 had run DMC status to that point. 1:37:39.479 --> 1:37:41.800 In ninety four and then. 1:37:43.400 --> 1:37:46.320 I don't know, maybe I just felt they were so 1:37:46.680 --> 1:37:49.679 angry at Were they angry at you guys? 1:37:49.720 --> 1:37:50.439 Were they angry? 1:37:50.960 --> 1:37:53.720 Was it just like a lot of anger, a lot 1:37:53.720 --> 1:37:54.080 of anger. 1:37:54.960 --> 1:37:56.200 What was the relationship like? 1:37:56.240 --> 1:38:00.400 Because I would think that they were your crown jewel, 1:38:00.520 --> 1:38:03.439 like you know this, this is the group that gets 1:38:03.640 --> 1:38:05.840 the white critics respect, and. 1:38:06.600 --> 1:38:09.280 They always they always would be the crown jewel. But 1:38:09.400 --> 1:38:14.760 you you gotta understand when when your kids and you 1:38:14.800 --> 1:38:18.599 grow up together, sometimes a big brother little brother thing 1:38:18.840 --> 1:38:22.600 comes into to play. And when you finally got a 1:38:22.600 --> 1:38:24.280 point where you sold the Left records, you want to 1:38:24.280 --> 1:38:26.840 do what you want to do too, So a lot 1:38:26.840 --> 1:38:30.360 of that has to had to you gotta they were 1:38:30.360 --> 1:38:33.280 young kids, man, you're talking about back then, you know 1:38:33.560 --> 1:38:38.280 Todd fifteen sixteen, and they going all over the world, 1:38:38.400 --> 1:38:42.240 you know what I mean, public enemy, you know, people 1:38:42.280 --> 1:38:45.040 with them, people not with them, people against them, people 1:38:45.080 --> 1:38:48.760 they fighting wars that you know, Griff, I guess it's 1:38:49.000 --> 1:38:52.320 so much so you had to allow that to happen. 1:38:52.439 --> 1:38:54.760 And what I I'll see and talk to you about it. 1:38:54.800 --> 1:38:58.800 But when a rock act or a pop act, when 1:38:58.840 --> 1:39:03.200 they make that album that you don't what's that. We 1:39:03.360 --> 1:39:06.320 just say it was just a time for them. Republican 1:39:06.680 --> 1:39:10.000 had that moment again. They were early. I'm with you, 1:39:10.000 --> 1:39:12.400 they were just early and we wasn't built for that. 1:39:13.120 --> 1:39:14.559 We just wasn't built for it. And that was the 1:39:14.880 --> 1:39:17.400 and but that was the expression. So who were we 1:39:17.479 --> 1:39:18.000 to judge? 1:39:19.520 --> 1:39:22.800 Was their disappointment and their end of you guys not 1:39:23.080 --> 1:39:26.719 finding because even then I just thought like, oh, they're over, 1:39:26.880 --> 1:39:27.680 they lost. 1:39:27.439 --> 1:39:33.160 It, and I had no clue that. It was later. 1:39:33.040 --> 1:39:36.440 When I found out, like, oh, because Ursula, their publicists 1:39:36.720 --> 1:39:39.839 had to figure out how to market them, and somehow 1:39:39.840 --> 1:39:43.120 she got glowing reviews out of Vibe magazine and the 1:39:44.240 --> 1:39:47.040 well tore roasted them with like a two star review 1:39:47.040 --> 1:39:51.280 of Rolling Stone. But for the most part, she got 1:39:51.280 --> 1:39:54.880 a lot of rock alternative press love that I wasn't 1:39:54.920 --> 1:39:59.439 even expecting them to get. And thus they started slowly 1:39:59.479 --> 1:40:04.559 creeping in to alternative tours out the norm that lane 1:40:04.600 --> 1:40:07.320 for them, right, not just rap sures like like oh okay, 1:40:07.360 --> 1:40:10.240 there are see white people and rockheads that want. 1:40:10.120 --> 1:40:13.800 To hear bring the noise right this stuff And I didn't. 1:40:13.880 --> 1:40:19.000 That was that was the message to you. You could 1:40:20.320 --> 1:40:23.599 in hip hop create many lanes and what they did 1:40:23.840 --> 1:40:27.519 was you got to think back then, nobody was thinking that, 1:40:27.600 --> 1:40:32.439 even with Beastie being what it was, nobody would ever 1:40:32.479 --> 1:40:34.200 think Pee would go there. You know what I mean, 1:40:34.200 --> 1:40:35.880 you got a certain thing from Pe. You know what 1:40:35.920 --> 1:40:38.040 I mean, nobody ever thought they would go there. But 1:40:38.080 --> 1:40:42.360 what what I just Chuck was saying, And again I 1:40:42.360 --> 1:40:45.640 can't quote it because I don't remember that this is 1:40:45.680 --> 1:40:48.679 where we are. It's just where we are. 1:40:49.840 --> 1:40:53.760 One of the more amazing comeback stories in my mind 1:40:53.800 --> 1:40:59.720 for Death Chair was that mister Smith album and I 1:40:59.800 --> 1:41:03.200 did I personally didn't think he could do it a 1:41:03.240 --> 1:41:08.559 third time. You know, it's like no, well, it's like yes, yes, 1:41:08.880 --> 1:41:12.600 initial well his initial l nel l elness run And 1:41:12.960 --> 1:41:15.120 even though I was a fan of walking with the Panther. 1:41:15.520 --> 1:41:17.000 They were the only one in the room. 1:41:18.479 --> 1:41:20.400 Look, it came out the last day of school. It 1:41:20.560 --> 1:41:23.519 was a special home and I graduated. That was my 1:41:23.640 --> 1:41:24.679 soundtrack of the summer. 1:41:24.840 --> 1:41:25.680 I like dropping them. 1:41:26.320 --> 1:41:29.880 And then and then uh, you know, mom said, knock 1:41:29.920 --> 1:41:32.040 you Out was like the comeback, even though we weren't 1:41:32.040 --> 1:41:32.720 supposed to call that. 1:41:33.560 --> 1:41:36.440 And then, you know, once. 1:41:37.920 --> 1:41:42.839 The thing was I read the source review of fourteen 1:41:42.840 --> 1:41:44.120 Shots Shots. 1:41:45.360 --> 1:41:47.840 Which Backseat was on fourteen. 1:41:48.280 --> 1:41:51.439 Yeah, backseat and how coming? What was the other scene? 1:41:52.960 --> 1:41:55.120 But not that remix? The remix was not on that record. 1:41:55.120 --> 1:41:57.439 The remix wasn't had that remix, but on the record. 1:41:57.439 --> 1:42:00.680 I would have gave it something different and the right 1:42:00.720 --> 1:42:04.400 I would get a half. But you know, I mean, 1:42:04.439 --> 1:42:06.680 the legend is that Russell lost his mind at the 1:42:06.720 --> 1:42:10.639 Source review and words were exchanged and all this stuff. 1:42:10.680 --> 1:42:12.519 But all that happened pretty much. 1:42:12.520 --> 1:42:18.120 People counted Ell out, and I guess he wisely just 1:42:18.479 --> 1:42:21.320 stayed silent for a year, all of ninety four, and 1:42:21.360 --> 1:42:25.160 then uh, the first we saw him with his new 1:42:25.200 --> 1:42:27.040 ball head and stuff was in the Flavor in Your 1:42:27.040 --> 1:42:32.200 Ear remix. So was there was there a marketing plan too. 1:42:33.600 --> 1:42:38.240 Two bring Ll back? Or was it just like there's some. 1:42:38.240 --> 1:42:42.040 Spaghetti and throw it on the wall and see what sticks. 1:42:42.040 --> 1:42:45.240 Todd And if you speak to him, he'll tell you. 1:42:45.360 --> 1:42:50.720 Let me tell you something phenomenal, phenomenal. 1:42:53.720 --> 1:42:57.639 He was like his good luck charm and the Smith, 1:42:57.720 --> 1:43:04.960 mister Smith, you know, Chris. That was the last Todd 1:43:04.960 --> 1:43:10.479 album we worked on together because he left soon after that. 1:43:14.160 --> 1:43:18.719 You gotta understand something L L Cool day is hot. 1:43:18.840 --> 1:43:21.320 I usually DJ Man you couldn't tell me now, no, 1:43:21.479 --> 1:43:24.000 rapp up, I was a fan fan, So you mean 1:43:24.080 --> 1:43:30.640 to tell me that llll no, that's he's He was 1:43:31.000 --> 1:43:35.160 hakon to me. I wanted to Todd, So there was 1:43:35.200 --> 1:43:39.360 no way that he was then. He was that. He 1:43:39.479 --> 1:43:41.680 was always going to be this to me, To me, 1:43:42.080 --> 1:43:43.240 so I treated him like that. 1:43:43.600 --> 1:43:46.320 And you're saying this means you're pointing up on a 1:43:46.360 --> 1:43:46.920 higher level. 1:43:46.960 --> 1:43:50.960 Yeah, he God, he was always that to me and 1:43:51.000 --> 1:43:56.479 so to me. I never looked at it as him 1:43:57.040 --> 1:44:00.640 making a comeback. I thought every album was an experimentation 1:44:00.760 --> 1:44:04.280 of where he was as an artist and certain things 1:44:04.320 --> 1:44:05.960 he tried. You know what I mean, because even on 1:44:06.000 --> 1:44:08.160 fourteen Shots, you know, I was trying to say, your 1:44:08.240 --> 1:44:10.320 back back seat is the record, you guys, is the 1:44:10.400 --> 1:44:13.320 back seat is the record? I said that Pink Cookie, 1:44:13.560 --> 1:44:15.719 what we talked talk We gotta have a conversation about. 1:44:15.479 --> 1:44:19.760 That, that backseat. 1:44:20.200 --> 1:44:25.160 Yeah, I said, we had that real conversation, but it 1:44:25.200 --> 1:44:28.680 was I have to be honest with you. That is 1:44:28.720 --> 1:44:34.280 why today we're still friends, because we went through every 1:44:34.280 --> 1:44:37.280 moment that you can go through. I remember when when 1:44:37.960 --> 1:44:45.519 he dropped Headstrong uh record and he uh that was 1:44:45.520 --> 1:44:48.640 his last number one album, two hundred thousand copies, and 1:44:48.680 --> 1:44:51.680 he called me and said, you always believed in me. 1:44:52.880 --> 1:44:56.720 You never stopped believing in me. I'm gonna love you 1:44:56.800 --> 1:45:02.880 better record, he said, you never stopped until this day. 1:45:02.920 --> 1:45:04.880 Just so I never looked at it like come back 1:45:04.960 --> 1:45:07.360 and come that. I never looked because again, these were 1:45:08.040 --> 1:45:11.160 they were friends too. So what you know now, do 1:45:11.280 --> 1:45:12.680 we have to go to work? Do we have to 1:45:12.680 --> 1:45:14.960 do things differently? Do we had to go see different Yeah? 1:45:14.960 --> 1:45:17.519 We had to do that. But that's what it's all about. 1:45:17.680 --> 1:45:19.519 To me, That's what evolution is all about. It's not 1:45:19.560 --> 1:45:22.439 about I'd rather have the hard time. How about this? 1:45:23.439 --> 1:45:25.640 Let me do that because you can remember me. You 1:45:25.720 --> 1:45:27.920 gonna know I went there, was with you the whole 1:45:27.960 --> 1:45:30.000 time and figured it out with you. 1:45:30.479 --> 1:45:35.120 So for a record like mister Smith, and for the 1:45:35.160 --> 1:45:40.000 potential singles that it had, there's one important element in 1:45:40.040 --> 1:45:43.640 the story that we kind of didn't mention, which was 1:45:43.760 --> 1:45:49.639 the the the uprise and the power that a certain 1:45:49.680 --> 1:45:53.840 New York radio station had, which was Hot ninety seven. 1:45:54.240 --> 1:45:55.920 Hope I'm allowed to say that, you know. 1:45:57.520 --> 1:46:01.559 On my own show, Scott Ye was that allowed? 1:46:01.920 --> 1:46:04.679 They're good? Okay? Okay? I just need to be technical. 1:46:09.600 --> 1:46:12.679 Not that I would expect you to give me the 1:46:13.720 --> 1:46:21.320 dirty low down, but I mean, by this point, especially 1:46:21.360 --> 1:46:23.559 with nineteen ninety six coming up in the race, what's 1:46:23.600 --> 1:46:25.160 the telecommunications that? 1:46:25.640 --> 1:46:25.840 Yeah? 1:46:26.160 --> 1:46:36.479 Tell god, what the fuck? You like a paralegal? You 1:46:37.439 --> 1:46:38.840 you deserve your own noise? 1:46:38.880 --> 1:46:44.680 Don't for a fact check? That was and then you 1:46:44.720 --> 1:46:49.920 looked at the fact checker. 1:46:50.520 --> 1:46:55.320 I know that you guys were playing to win. I 1:46:55.360 --> 1:46:59.840 know that by this point bad boys really established, trying 1:46:59.880 --> 1:47:02.840 to established themselves as as the sheriff of the block. 1:47:04.080 --> 1:47:06.840 Oh god, I didn't even mention death Row. 1:47:08.920 --> 1:47:11.760 You know, there are other labels that are vying for 1:47:11.800 --> 1:47:15.160 that number one spot, and we know that. And for 1:47:15.200 --> 1:47:19.559 the most part, in an hour, you could probably squeeze 1:47:19.600 --> 1:47:23.920 in six to seven songs. You guys are starting your 1:47:24.000 --> 1:47:28.160 muscle period at least of you know of about to 1:47:28.880 --> 1:47:30.600 you know, show what No. 1:47:30.760 --> 1:47:33.760 But I'm just saying that it's true though. 1:47:35.000 --> 1:47:36.200 That's a nice way to say it. 1:47:38.200 --> 1:47:41.800 You know, is this some Mars Levy Part two? 1:47:41.920 --> 1:47:42.360 Things like. 1:47:43.920 --> 1:47:48.280 How do you muscle radio to stay on your side? 1:47:48.680 --> 1:47:48.760 Like? 1:47:48.920 --> 1:47:49.160 Is it? 1:47:49.280 --> 1:47:49.400 Like? 1:47:49.760 --> 1:47:52.400 Yo, I'm really feeling that song doing it? Okay, I'm 1:47:52.400 --> 1:47:54.759 gonna just play it a whole forty two billion times? 1:47:56.439 --> 1:48:00.680 Or is it a new level of taking hands and 1:48:00.720 --> 1:48:03.759 kiss some babies that you probably can't technically get into? 1:48:05.240 --> 1:48:07.880 Like has that ever stopped? U? 1:48:08.200 --> 1:48:12.160 Let me let me say this to you. And I 1:48:12.160 --> 1:48:16.479 couldn't say this, not one thing but Hot ninety seven 1:48:17.560 --> 1:48:21.840 with okay with I'm telling him he's actually about how 1:48:21.840 --> 1:48:23.160 we talked Hot ninety. 1:48:22.920 --> 1:48:25.320 Seven right, Well yeah, I mean, well, you know, we 1:48:25.360 --> 1:48:28.000 live in New York City and Hot ninety seven is 1:48:28.040 --> 1:48:32.960 the station that if flex is feeling it, then chances. 1:48:32.600 --> 1:48:35.200 Are that the ripple effect's going to happen. 1:48:35.240 --> 1:48:37.600 And this guy in Cleveland's going to play it, this 1:48:37.680 --> 1:48:39.200 station Seattle's going to play it. 1:48:39.520 --> 1:48:40.839 But the thing is is that. 1:48:43.040 --> 1:48:48.719 I I wouldn't believe that. Okay, a fan is calling in, Yes, 1:48:49.000 --> 1:48:51.240 I need to hear doing it by llo Like. 1:48:52.200 --> 1:48:54.639 Again, let me give you the truth though, So. 1:48:54.920 --> 1:48:57.360 Like you, you're you're a guy that had hits, You 1:48:57.400 --> 1:49:00.200 have hits under your belt. How do you make sure 1:49:00.280 --> 1:49:04.080 those hits keep coming and that they're and I mean, 1:49:04.200 --> 1:49:09.080 like a song for you, A good day of radio 1:49:09.360 --> 1:49:13.120 rotation is how many times at its height, how many 1:49:13.160 --> 1:49:16.240 times do you want your hit song played? 1:49:17.080 --> 1:49:20.400 A day on one station? Is it thirty five times 1:49:20.400 --> 1:49:20.760 a day? 1:49:21.120 --> 1:49:24.200 I don't think any one particular record will play thirty 1:49:24.200 --> 1:49:26.040 five times a day, because if it did, it would 1:49:26.080 --> 1:49:29.479 play thirty five times seven whatever. But let me give 1:49:29.479 --> 1:49:30.120 you this. 1:49:30.040 --> 1:49:33.120 And I'm not This is not a hostile gotcha question, No, 1:49:33.800 --> 1:49:35.559 I just I just want to know that the science 1:49:35.680 --> 1:49:42.120 of how like for me growing up and remembering radio, 1:49:42.240 --> 1:49:44.439 it was like the DJ wants to be the cool dude, 1:49:44.439 --> 1:49:46.599 and hey, I'm gonna put you onto this record. Oh, 1:49:46.640 --> 1:49:49.519 I might play this album cut where Now it's like, 1:49:49.560 --> 1:49:52.639 I don't think you know you guys, A label would 1:49:52.640 --> 1:49:54.760 frown on an album cut, Like if it were up 1:49:54.800 --> 1:49:58.479 to me playing mister Smith, I would play that no airplay, 1:49:58.800 --> 1:50:08.160 play right airplace you wouldn't play, y'all, No, I see, 1:50:08.200 --> 1:50:11.519 I would play the Eric Eric Sarmon remix the thing 1:50:12.320 --> 1:50:14.760 I actually girl, you know it's true and didn't get 1:50:14.840 --> 1:50:16.519 caught and I don't want to mention it and get 1:50:16.520 --> 1:50:23.240 a lawsuit on I'm going to say that. Okay, a 1:50:23.320 --> 1:50:30.880 record like doing it, what are you expecting? Hot ninety seven? 1:50:31.600 --> 1:50:33.080 How many times do you want to hear it in 1:50:33.120 --> 1:50:35.720 a twenty four hour period? Heavy rotation I mean, is 1:50:35.760 --> 1:50:36.880 that eighteen times a day? 1:50:37.760 --> 1:50:40.879 So I think at that particular time that was probably 1:50:41.160 --> 1:50:43.320 most probably sixty two times in a week. 1:50:43.800 --> 1:50:45.400 So if you oh, so you're going by week, you're 1:50:45.400 --> 1:50:45.960 not going by. 1:50:45.920 --> 1:50:50.639 Daily, no, because that you because program changed over the weekend. 1:50:50.680 --> 1:50:54.120 They go to weekend programming. It's it's different stuff. And 1:50:54.160 --> 1:50:55.760 back then it was call out, you know what I mean? 1:50:55.840 --> 1:50:57.920 Where if the record called out? And then it still 1:50:57.960 --> 1:51:00.200 is now and now it's PPM and all these ferent 1:51:00.240 --> 1:51:02.360 kind of metrics and that are going on. But I 1:51:02.439 --> 1:51:05.920 have to say what people forgot and what we try 1:51:05.960 --> 1:51:10.160 to radio was the last stop with us. Okay, we're 1:51:10.160 --> 1:51:13.280 doing it of ques. If you came to the tunnel 1:51:13.320 --> 1:51:18.479 with me and heard what cap did God rest his 1:51:18.560 --> 1:51:24.519 soul in the walking hour? And then what flex did 1:51:25.240 --> 1:51:28.839 doing it? Drinks got spilled everys soon as that beginning 1:51:28.880 --> 1:51:31.360 came on, it was and we made all made sure 1:51:31.439 --> 1:51:35.360 all our records that we went to radio with they 1:51:35.479 --> 1:51:38.760 had to get. We called it the tunnel tests. If 1:51:38.800 --> 1:51:41.479 you play between twelve and three o'clock and the tunnel 1:51:43.120 --> 1:51:45.880 get at me dog. When we dropped out of the door, 1:51:45.880 --> 1:51:49.400 we knew it wasn't going to be a big radio record, 1:51:49.560 --> 1:51:53.200 but it lit the tunnel up redmen the method man 1:51:55.720 --> 1:52:01.519 how no no, yeah, rock water those the two verses 1:52:01.560 --> 1:52:06.000 and the but you go when you went to the 1:52:06.000 --> 1:52:10.439 tunnel the place with And so my thing is, so, 1:52:10.479 --> 1:52:11.080 who do you. 1:52:11.040 --> 1:52:15.200 Have to convince at whatever radios? And I'm not even 1:52:15.240 --> 1:52:17.200 gonna sing on Hot ninety seven, who do you have 1:52:17.280 --> 1:52:17.839 to convince? 1:52:18.479 --> 1:52:18.719 At? 1:52:18.880 --> 1:52:22.479 First of all, are you at this point talking to 1:52:22.840 --> 1:52:27.160 a Clear Channel person who control or who controls one 1:52:27.200 --> 1:52:29.200 hundred staces across the area. 1:52:29.280 --> 1:52:33.719 Then back then, so you had individual individual program directors. 1:52:33.720 --> 1:52:35.920 So back then it was Steve Smith and Tracy Clardy 1:52:35.960 --> 1:52:40.000 at Hot ninety seven. Today is THEO Mitcham and g 1:52:40.200 --> 1:52:43.519 where's at power one oh five? Just for New York. 1:52:43.520 --> 1:52:45.120 I mean there's a lot of but then there's now 1:52:45.120 --> 1:52:49.040 there's clusters too. So THEA runs a cluster, and there's 1:52:49.320 --> 1:52:51.479 Doc Winner who runs the urban cluster for all of 1:52:51.920 --> 1:52:58.200 Clear Channel, and then there's Jay Stevens for Radio one cluster, 1:52:58.520 --> 1:53:03.160 and then Ken Johnsen and foot one of those down 1:53:03.200 --> 1:53:05.920 the south whatever. So it's it's clustered now, but back 1:53:05.920 --> 1:53:08.439 then it was individual program director. Is the music directors? 1:53:08.600 --> 1:53:08.920 Okay? 1:53:09.000 --> 1:53:13.599 So I'll say a few episodes back, we have Former 1:53:13.760 --> 1:53:20.080 President Beat Former Still President and BT. 1:53:18.600 --> 1:53:19.679 No I'm sorry. 1:53:19.720 --> 1:53:29.400 It is February and Stephen Hill mentioned one of his 1:53:29.479 --> 1:53:33.280 regrets when he first worked at MTV was that he 1:53:33.800 --> 1:53:36.679 probably could have lit a fire under them to really 1:53:36.800 --> 1:53:39.920 give more support to your all. I need to get 1:53:39.920 --> 1:53:43.800 by by Method Man and Marriag J Blige and now 1:53:43.800 --> 1:53:45.839 in my head, I was like, wait, that record was everywhere, 1:53:45.960 --> 1:53:48.280 So of course he's like nope, He's like, it could 1:53:48.320 --> 1:53:51.719 have been even stronger. It could have been so much 1:53:51.760 --> 1:53:56.799 more and bigger and way ubiquitous. So for a record 1:53:57.040 --> 1:54:05.360 like that, you know, how do you convince? First of all, 1:54:05.360 --> 1:54:08.400 why would people resist? Why would people have resistance to 1:54:08.439 --> 1:54:12.320 it because it was just an unorthodox sounding street song. 1:54:12.439 --> 1:54:15.719 Or I think method Man had more to do why 1:54:15.760 --> 1:54:20.120 people didn't go immediately on that record. 1:54:20.120 --> 1:54:21.720 I was just like, oh, this is an instant hit. 1:54:22.000 --> 1:54:24.799 It was an instant hit. But you got to understand something. 1:54:24.960 --> 1:54:33.160 So back then people wanted to be safe, and method 1:54:33.200 --> 1:54:34.240 Man wasn't safe for them. 1:54:34.720 --> 1:54:35.560 That wasn't safe. 1:54:35.760 --> 1:54:46.320 The record was safe. Method Man the personality also, yes, yes, yes, listen, 1:54:46.360 --> 1:54:49.920 I had a record. So I'm gonna give you a 1:54:52.000 --> 1:54:56.320 uh I would say, what you know, migos right now, 1:54:56.560 --> 1:54:58.600 record bad bad, and Bougie. 1:54:58.640 --> 1:55:02.440 About to say, yes, life has changed for you since 1:55:02.480 --> 1:55:07.720 Donald Glover a long time ago during the one or 1:55:07.720 --> 1:55:11.040 two back gave a shout out now, shout out. 1:55:10.920 --> 1:55:19.040 To Donald Glover. G So we couldn't get migos on 1:55:19.600 --> 1:55:20.320 late night TV. 1:55:21.160 --> 1:55:26.200 Mm hmm, bro, I'll talk to you about that. 1:55:26.240 --> 1:55:29.560 But we couldn't. We couldn't. 1:55:29.640 --> 1:55:30.280 I would love them. 1:55:30.520 --> 1:55:36.240 Magazines couldn't get certain things, and so the group was like, 1:55:36.240 --> 1:55:38.920 well why can't, why can't we? And then a moment 1:55:38.960 --> 1:55:43.800 happened and now everybody fighting over everybody, And so I 1:55:43.840 --> 1:55:49.760 can only say this to you to say Radio didn't 1:55:49.800 --> 1:55:52.640 see them. There's a club group. You know. Radio didn't 1:55:52.640 --> 1:55:55.320 see them a certain way. TV didn't see him a 1:55:55.320 --> 1:55:57.920 certain way. And you gotta think about method man. 1:56:00.120 --> 1:56:04.040 At that time, he was kind of dirty looking. 1:56:04.400 --> 1:56:05.960 He started to cook. That was the moment we started 1:56:05.960 --> 1:56:06.520 to clean them up. 1:56:07.120 --> 1:56:09.640 I thought he was the accessible. 1:56:09.320 --> 1:56:11.080 But can I just say, just for the record, somebody 1:56:11.240 --> 1:56:14.200 pred told me once that the Roots didn't have enough personality, 1:56:14.200 --> 1:56:15.960 Like if you really think that is not like that? 1:56:16.400 --> 1:56:17.960 It's like really, And I was like, what are you 1:56:18.040 --> 1:56:23.440 talking about that. I told you that, like what are 1:56:23.480 --> 1:56:25.959 you talking about? But does this and you'd be surprised 1:56:25.960 --> 1:56:27.080 that the whole personality thing. 1:56:27.040 --> 1:56:31.520 Just well, that's the thing, like what really determines a hit? 1:56:31.840 --> 1:56:35.560 Like can we because you know, I came from an 1:56:35.600 --> 1:56:38.320 era where it was like, hey, if we just get 1:56:38.360 --> 1:56:41.920 somebody sing some R and b H, you guys are 1:56:41.920 --> 1:56:45.880 going to have a hit. And that's not necessarily the case. 1:56:46.280 --> 1:56:49.760 And then you know it's like if you fall into 1:56:50.080 --> 1:56:51.200 a nepotism loop. 1:56:52.360 --> 1:56:53.720 Okay, let's take Foxy. 1:56:53.400 --> 1:57:01.040 Brownsment I shot you was her first appearance or was it? 1:57:01.080 --> 1:57:05.280 Ain't? No, Like no, got shot you? Was not anything five. 1:57:05.360 --> 1:57:07.480 I think I think that shot to be honest with you, 1:57:07.560 --> 1:57:12.680 I think her first appearance was I shot you and 1:57:12.720 --> 1:57:15.360 then it was ain't. No. It's twenty years ago, so it. 1:57:15.320 --> 1:57:18.080 Would have been would have been a hard sale for 1:57:18.160 --> 1:57:21.800 you guys to push got to get you home or 1:57:21.960 --> 1:57:25.240 or uh uh uh, I'll be good, I'll be the 1:57:26.440 --> 1:57:30.160 angel right. Would have been harder for you guys to 1:57:30.600 --> 1:57:36.560 promote her had she not had the nepotism association of 1:57:36.880 --> 1:57:40.680 being on a Posse cut, doing first, doing a good 1:57:40.760 --> 1:57:42.520 job on a Possey cut. But I don't even think 1:57:42.960 --> 1:57:45.600 doing a good job or doing a bad job even 1:57:45.640 --> 1:57:50.280 matters today in two thousand and six times, But no, 1:57:50.360 --> 1:57:53.720 back then, it was like, oh shit, she right and 1:57:53.760 --> 1:57:56.879 she looked good. So this is a can't lose situation, 1:57:57.520 --> 1:58:01.000 like to break out an artist of that level? Was 1:58:01.040 --> 1:58:03.920 it a hard cell? Like do you have to have 1:58:04.880 --> 1:58:10.200 pinpoint board and whiteboard and do all these like mathematic 1:58:10.440 --> 1:58:14.600 theories for radio programmers to see your vision on a 1:58:14.640 --> 1:58:17.800 Foxy Brown or a job someone to unprove it. 1:58:17.840 --> 1:58:24.320 So it's okay. So our secret sauce was we never 1:58:24.440 --> 1:58:27.880 worked just the record. We always believed we were working 1:58:27.880 --> 1:58:35.080 a brand. So Foxy wasn't about what was the record, uh, 1:58:35.600 --> 1:58:39.120 the big record get your Home? It wasn't just get 1:58:39.160 --> 1:58:41.120 you home. It was about as much as get you 1:58:41.160 --> 1:58:44.160 home as a shatcha. It was both. It was the 1:58:44.200 --> 1:58:46.680 same amount of effort because we were building a brand, 1:58:47.120 --> 1:58:50.040 and in building a brand you gotta lay a solid foundation. 1:58:50.520 --> 1:58:52.960 So it's never about radio. To me, it was just 1:58:52.960 --> 1:58:55.480 not the radio became Okay, I got the street lot, 1:58:55.560 --> 1:58:57.760 I got the sheet. People respect it. Okay, we put 1:58:57.800 --> 1:58:59.920 it with this person, Okay, we put on this tour. Okay, 1:59:00.080 --> 1:59:01.080 now we ready for. 1:59:01.040 --> 1:59:03.040 That, But does it help to also have the deft 1:59:03.080 --> 1:59:08.480 cham logo in other words like uh, well not. 1:59:10.440 --> 1:59:13.960 Have you ever got what's what's it? What's what's a. 1:59:14.000 --> 1:59:20.800 Heartbreaking know that you got during your stretch? Okay, Jay 1:59:20.920 --> 1:59:23.839 hates and I think he does it just to be asshole. 1:59:23.880 --> 1:59:29.640 Sometimes he hates in my lifetime, like just the I 1:59:29.800 --> 1:59:31.240 think you know. 1:59:30.840 --> 1:59:35.480 I don't like it. Whatever Volume one, Volume one, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:59:35.520 --> 1:59:36.360 well no, no. 1:59:36.200 --> 1:59:40.160 No, is that the one that had touched my heart? 1:59:40.960 --> 1:59:41.160 Yeah? 1:59:41.160 --> 1:59:46.840 Sunshine now doing like Sunshine? How are you guys working Sunshine? 1:59:47.920 --> 1:59:51.000 And to the point where now Dame's like, yo, we 1:59:51.080 --> 1:59:54.480 got to make a street movie real quick and get 1:59:54.560 --> 1:59:57.680 him back to home base and establish the street cred 1:59:57.960 --> 2:00:01.080 because I didn't even see it as like, oh, you're 2:00:01.080 --> 2:00:04.560 losing your street cred by rhyming over with Babyface. 2:00:04.720 --> 2:00:12.400 It was reach but wait, it's. 2:00:12.600 --> 2:00:16.160 It's almost like I'm sorry only because the Flaming Lips 2:00:16.840 --> 2:00:19.520 were recently on The Tonight Show a long time ago, 2:00:19.800 --> 2:00:24.080 and I think about the whole New I think about 2:00:24.080 --> 2:00:28.560 the whole New Rock Uh Flaming Lips video fiasco where 2:00:28.560 --> 2:00:32.800 it's like where it was like that was, and I'm like, 2:00:32.840 --> 2:00:35.160 you shot the video with him, like, how did you 2:00:35.200 --> 2:00:38.800 not know that? But for me, he recorded the record, 2:00:39.600 --> 2:00:43.000 he made the video and he was obviously reaching. 2:00:43.160 --> 2:00:43.360 Yeah. 2:00:43.360 --> 2:00:45.200 It's like it's a committee. Like Nick, It's like saying 2:00:45.240 --> 2:00:47.600 I accidentally posted a picture Instagram. I know you didn't 2:00:47.640 --> 2:00:49.600 you know how many steps to take the post picture Instagram? 2:00:49.600 --> 2:00:54.200 I think he experimented, made made a record. 2:00:55.880 --> 2:00:59.120 But why could a song like Sunshine, which by the 2:00:59.200 --> 2:01:02.400 numbers should have won. 2:01:02.680 --> 2:01:04.720 But that's just wasn't a good song though like that, 2:01:04.800 --> 2:01:07.880 but what is a good song? During that period? It 2:01:07.960 --> 2:01:10.800 effective or not right that it was ineffective. 2:01:11.120 --> 2:01:17.120 But the thing is is that Okay, give me, okay, 2:01:17.760 --> 2:01:21.640 what's that I'm. 2:01:21.440 --> 2:01:23.400 Trying to think, give me, give me, give me a job. 2:01:23.440 --> 2:01:25.800 Will either put it on me or I mean all 2:01:25.840 --> 2:01:30.960 of them, job put on me? You want to do? 2:01:31.000 --> 2:01:35.360 I do sample everybody living it up? That was the 2:01:35.400 --> 2:01:36.919 living it up. It's the formula. 2:01:37.040 --> 2:01:39.800 Okay, okay, let's take a living I actually would give 2:01:39.800 --> 2:01:45.680 the advantage to living it up. But I'm trying to 2:01:45.680 --> 2:01:48.520 think of like just a hit for def Jam that. 2:01:48.760 --> 2:01:55.040 Was like it's a hit. Uh, okay, let's go with 2:01:55.640 --> 2:01:59.080 Gotta Get You Home? That was That was a jam. 2:01:59.360 --> 2:02:01.960 Well it was it because it was a hit. It 2:02:02.040 --> 2:02:06.040 was like you were told Illmatic was a classic? Was 2:02:06.080 --> 2:02:08.720 it a classic? You instantly? 2:02:08.920 --> 2:02:12.000 You were told instantly I read it Illmatic right, it 2:02:12.040 --> 2:02:13.640 was like it's almost. 2:02:13.400 --> 2:02:15.920 Like like your hand was forced on it. 2:02:15.920 --> 2:02:21.520 Like why why wasn't Why wasn't the machine that built 2:02:22.080 --> 2:02:25.960 by nineteen ninety seven, you guys had a formula so 2:02:26.840 --> 2:02:28.640 amazingly like bulletproof. 2:02:29.680 --> 2:02:31.240 Why couldn't that work for Sunshine? 2:02:33.000 --> 2:02:39.840 Because I believe good records work and bad ones don't. 2:02:41.760 --> 2:02:44.680 Wow, that shit won't. 2:02:47.120 --> 2:02:52.040 And by the way, like the record, and I worked 2:02:52.040 --> 2:02:54.040 the record, I was mad at people, y'all not gonna 2:02:54.080 --> 2:02:58.000 play Babyface Foxy and y'all not gonna play that, and 2:02:58.040 --> 2:03:01.520 I took offense to it. But the art of being 2:03:01.560 --> 2:03:06.120 a promo guy, there will be another record. I'm never 2:03:06.120 --> 2:03:10.440 worried about whether people would uh play the record or not, 2:03:10.440 --> 2:03:12.880 because I'm gonna come back with him back and guess 2:03:12.920 --> 2:03:17.960 what Jay's next album. I reminded him. 2:03:17.480 --> 2:03:20.640 Okay, wait, wait, wait, time out time, because I really 2:03:20.640 --> 2:03:23.280 want to talk to you about your rock and feller 2:03:23.360 --> 2:03:25.480 relationship with Damon Dash and I know you're so tired 2:03:25.520 --> 2:03:28.880 of talking about the jackets and argument. 2:03:28.920 --> 2:03:30.600 I was never tired of talking about the jackets. 2:03:30.720 --> 2:03:31.320 He was. 2:03:34.120 --> 2:03:34.400 To day. 2:03:34.880 --> 2:03:42.000 So he comes at you, guys with the song that's 2:03:42.040 --> 2:03:48.000 like seventy seven beats per minute. It wasn't even it 2:03:48.040 --> 2:03:53.600 wasn't even a jam. So right, life, what in my 2:03:53.720 --> 2:03:59.000 life is a hard song to blend in mixing. It's 2:03:59.120 --> 2:04:02.920 very slow in today's environment where the average song is 2:04:02.960 --> 2:04:08.400 eighty two. Yeah, like she could work in twenty sixteen, 2:04:09.080 --> 2:04:13.160 but back in nineteen ninety eight, there was no the 2:04:13.280 --> 2:04:17.960 average meter was was was ninety seven, ninety eight, ninety nine. 2:04:18.360 --> 2:04:20.960 He's coming at you with the record that's eighty two bpms. 2:04:21.240 --> 2:04:22.520 There's a bunch of kids singing. 2:04:23.240 --> 2:04:25.320 You know. It was a risk, like a Broadway song. 2:04:26.240 --> 2:04:26.960 Delivery is weird. 2:04:28.040 --> 2:04:31.960 Yeah, how did you guys? Now? That? To me was 2:04:32.000 --> 2:04:34.160 the hell Mary throw of all hell Marys. 2:04:34.200 --> 2:04:35.880 I think the novelty was part of it, just because 2:04:35.920 --> 2:04:37.560 of the fact that it was a very slow song 2:04:37.600 --> 2:04:38.160 with the whole. 2:04:38.200 --> 2:04:41.400 The ironic song, because he tried it again with anything 2:04:41.440 --> 2:04:42.240 that didn't work. 2:04:42.320 --> 2:04:46.440 Yeah, I think it was a moment in time. I 2:04:46.440 --> 2:04:49.080 don't think that could ever be repeated, and it was 2:04:49.120 --> 2:04:50.760 a jay Z moment. 2:04:51.040 --> 2:04:56.800 But was there what do you call it? Catalyst when 2:04:56.840 --> 2:04:57.520 you when you're a gun? 2:04:58.120 --> 2:05:00.760 Was there a sort of a gun side thing like 2:05:00.840 --> 2:05:05.040 we can't fumble this one and wait because let's not even. 2:05:04.960 --> 2:05:07.000 Look at it as a fumble because the album went platinum. 2:05:07.120 --> 2:05:09.080 Yeah, I don't think it would. To be honest with 2:05:09.120 --> 2:05:13.280 you again, I never looked at it. Jay Z's brand 2:05:13.640 --> 2:05:16.480 to us, Rockefeller's brand to us, because we had things 2:05:16.520 --> 2:05:19.000 that was very successful and then we had things that 2:05:19.000 --> 2:05:22.480 didn't work, you know, but his brand was so important 2:05:23.320 --> 2:05:25.680 to us, his friendship was so important to us that 2:05:25.880 --> 2:05:29.160 it just wasn't about one particular record. I know would 2:05:29.200 --> 2:05:34.280 hove He's gonna always make that record because I believe 2:05:34.360 --> 2:05:36.800 he's that guy. That's another one of those you know 2:05:36.840 --> 2:05:40.160 what I mean that that I that I would do 2:05:40.200 --> 2:05:45.400 anything for it because I know his he's he's it's 2:05:45.480 --> 2:05:48.400 just as an EMC that he won of those man 2:05:48.400 --> 2:05:50.640 and heart knocked like you got that couldn't work for everybody. 2:05:50.840 --> 2:05:54.240 Everybody couldn't do They couldn't do that that they couldn't do, 2:05:54.720 --> 2:05:56.000 and so he was just it was the one on 2:05:56.000 --> 2:06:01.360 one for him. 2:06:01.640 --> 2:06:03.600 If you're just suiting him, we're heading to our final 2:06:03.640 --> 2:06:06.120 hour with Kevin Lowne was talking about his time as 2:06:06.160 --> 2:06:09.080 president of def JAM at the turn of the century. 2:06:11.560 --> 2:06:17.360 What was it like daily just dealing with Dame dash 2:06:17.600 --> 2:06:21.800 and on on one line? By this point, I know 2:06:22.680 --> 2:06:26.680 it was IRV got it a hard uh. I know 2:06:26.720 --> 2:06:28.400 you're gonna say that nobody was hard to. 2:06:28.560 --> 2:06:32.919 Know, I'm gonna tell you, but intensely Dame was challenging. 2:06:33.480 --> 2:06:34.440 Okay, good. 2:06:35.840 --> 2:06:38.920 IRV. And if you talk to him to this day, 2:06:39.120 --> 2:06:47.000 IRV to me when I left, if IRV didn't implode 2:06:47.000 --> 2:06:49.680 the way he did around his whole thing and Dame 2:06:49.720 --> 2:06:52.280 didn't implode the way he did, they were being prime 2:06:53.040 --> 2:06:57.000 to take over. And I'm just today would they were 2:06:57.040 --> 2:06:58.680 real record gud? I mean, I'm being honest. 2:06:58.680 --> 2:07:01.200 Do you still feel that they have have the business 2:07:01.280 --> 2:07:07.000 acumen too? At least advance the wisdom that they've gained, 2:07:07.000 --> 2:07:11.560 because I just refuse to believe that they're that damn disposable. 2:07:11.760 --> 2:07:13.520 Right, It was like a moment in time. 2:07:13.600 --> 2:07:15.080 I don't I don't think they I don't think they 2:07:15.160 --> 2:07:18.160 moment in times. I think they made choices and decisions 2:07:18.160 --> 2:07:20.640 that they have to live by. And I think if 2:07:20.680 --> 2:07:24.760 IRV wanted to be in the business, he could be 2:07:24.840 --> 2:07:27.240 in the business. I think that Dame has chosen a 2:07:27.280 --> 2:07:30.240 different You got to understand something Dame came it was 2:07:30.320 --> 2:07:32.640 it was atrofected with them, you know what I mean. 2:07:32.720 --> 2:07:35.320 So I'm sure that goes through you know, some people. 2:07:35.360 --> 2:07:37.040 It's like I said, I know I can do it 2:07:37.080 --> 2:07:38.920 by myself, but I don't want to do it by myself. 2:07:38.920 --> 2:07:41.000 That's why me and they have been together, you know, 2:07:41.080 --> 2:07:44.800 my whole career per se. So some people don't want 2:07:44.800 --> 2:07:46.600 to do it byself. I really don't think Dame wants 2:07:46.640 --> 2:07:49.640 to do it byself. And that's just to be quite honest. 2:07:49.720 --> 2:07:52.320 You know, I'm not sure why. But and Irv I 2:07:52.360 --> 2:07:54.960 talk to every day. We we we were friends. 2:07:55.080 --> 2:07:58.240 Well, not to put you on the spot, but if 2:07:59.640 --> 2:08:04.480 he I'm saying there's a mail room position that three 2:08:04.560 --> 2:08:13.440 hundreds right right, I don't mean that. But are there 2:08:13.520 --> 2:08:17.920 people in this industry that you would rather not choose 2:08:17.960 --> 2:08:21.760 to work with again? Or is it just like you'll 2:08:21.840 --> 2:08:23.800 find where your system is right now? 2:08:23.840 --> 2:08:27.640 And let me I'm gonna try to put this in 2:08:27.680 --> 2:08:28.080 the right. 2:08:28.000 --> 2:08:31.000 Way because I want to know, like the genius and the. 2:08:34.400 --> 2:08:38.720 Stronghold of Rockefeller, I'm trying to figure out if that 2:08:38.960 --> 2:08:46.839 was Dame's constant intensity or was that jay Z's lucky streak, 2:08:48.360 --> 2:08:51.240 like who had the fifty one to forty nine advantage. 2:08:51.320 --> 2:08:57.520 I think it's always gonna be Hole because he was 2:08:57.560 --> 2:09:01.520 the one that kept the lights on building. But every 2:09:01.600 --> 2:09:08.080 team needs a Dennis Robin And I think Jay wasn't 2:09:08.080 --> 2:09:11.840 a big talker. Dame did the talking. Biggs wasn't a 2:09:11.840 --> 2:09:13.880 big talker at all. He didn't really talk, you know 2:09:13.920 --> 2:09:16.960 what I mean, he just you know, did did not 2:09:17.200 --> 2:09:17.880 and say yo. 2:09:18.560 --> 2:09:22.440 So that's a well that said if okay, let's let's 2:09:22.480 --> 2:09:26.720 trade off. Let's take Let's take Dash out of the situation. 2:09:27.360 --> 2:09:30.400 Let's put Chris Lighty in that situation. Now, Chris Lighty 2:09:30.560 --> 2:09:31.760 is the right hand to Hove. 2:09:33.000 --> 2:09:35.560 Will we have the same results or do you need 2:09:35.640 --> 2:09:42.000 someone that is just the flavor to a chuck. 2:09:41.880 --> 2:09:44.760 D like a Let me let me say this to you. 2:09:45.080 --> 2:09:51.080 I think there's a lot of things that put that 2:09:51.160 --> 2:09:56.160 whole situation uh into the stratosphere at where it was 2:09:56.200 --> 2:10:00.200 at that particular time. I'll be I'll be a a 2:10:00.240 --> 2:10:04.200 sucker and a bitch if I didn't sit and say 2:10:04.240 --> 2:10:09.520 that Dame's contribution to Rockefeller was not a lot I'll 2:10:09.560 --> 2:10:15.000 be corny and whack to say that Biggs didn't, and 2:10:15.080 --> 2:10:19.160 I also be disrespectful to say Hove was not the reason. 2:10:19.880 --> 2:10:21.480 You know what I'm saying. So you can't, you can't, 2:10:22.280 --> 2:10:24.200 you can't put. 2:10:24.640 --> 2:10:27.200 You don't do because I wouldn't know that because I've 2:10:27.280 --> 2:10:31.200 never seen. I know Jay's very ambitious, and I know 2:10:31.280 --> 2:10:34.280 that he it's kind of a chess player and thinks 2:10:35.200 --> 2:10:36.240 in terms of moves. 2:10:36.280 --> 2:10:38.920 But I always thought, like you. 2:10:38.880 --> 2:10:44.000 Need you needed a trojan horse or a battering ram 2:10:44.920 --> 2:10:50.920 to at least how be it revisioned as history or not. 2:10:51.400 --> 2:10:53.440 I mean you you'll hear everyone's tale. 2:10:53.240 --> 2:10:55.920 Of well I made it happen. Well I made it happen. 2:10:57.080 --> 2:10:58.960 You know, you hear like all these versions of it. 2:10:59.040 --> 2:10:59.800 So it's just like. 2:11:00.040 --> 2:11:02.200 We never looked at it like that. I think them 2:11:02.680 --> 2:11:06.800 being with us helped a lot. I think we provided 2:11:06.800 --> 2:11:09.840 a platform to them to be great entrepreneurs. We gave 2:11:09.880 --> 2:11:13.160 them a lot of opportunity, taught them a lot of things, 2:11:13.400 --> 2:11:15.880 and to be quite honest, they taught us some things. 2:11:16.960 --> 2:11:20.320 Taught us about taking risks, taught us about just believe that. Again, 2:11:20.640 --> 2:11:23.960 it might sound funny, but from all them guys, I 2:11:24.040 --> 2:11:26.320 really feel like we were just meant to be the 2:11:26.360 --> 2:11:29.640 reason we ran the boards, because we were meant to 2:11:29.720 --> 2:11:32.080 be together, meant to be together. I'm talking you talking 2:11:32.080 --> 2:11:33.720 about wars, we'd have minded some things. 2:11:33.760 --> 2:11:36.000 Yeah, I was gonna say, knowing that your history, were 2:11:36.040 --> 2:11:37.760 you meditating at this point at least? 2:11:38.000 --> 2:11:38.080 Like? 2:11:39.080 --> 2:11:40.240 How are you surviving? 2:11:40.520 --> 2:11:46.720 Because I mean, I'm I'm probably a passive aggressive boss 2:11:46.920 --> 2:11:48.640 in at least twelve. 2:11:48.400 --> 2:11:52.520 Of my ventures. I just you know, what are you 2:11:52.560 --> 2:11:56.200 pointing me for? No? This is the Have I been 2:11:56.200 --> 2:12:00.000 aggressive to you? Have I been aggressive to you? 2:12:00.120 --> 2:12:00.360 You'll have. 2:12:04.000 --> 2:12:06.040 Yes, I have been very aggressive. 2:12:08.200 --> 2:12:09.880 Said you are a passive aggresive boss. Yes, that is 2:12:09.880 --> 2:12:11.080 the truth. You already said it's school. 2:12:11.280 --> 2:12:13.000 Oh well you had to intensify to. 2:12:13.040 --> 2:12:15.400 That level for a witness. I just want you to 2:12:15.440 --> 2:12:15.800 know there was. 2:12:15.840 --> 2:12:19.720 Yeah, you didn't have to agree that dare anyway. 2:12:20.320 --> 2:12:24.240 But my point is that how how does this not 2:12:24.440 --> 2:12:26.920 land you in the hospital? How's this not? 2:12:27.320 --> 2:12:27.720 Actually? 2:12:27.720 --> 2:12:30.240 Did should? I did not know that? 2:12:32.160 --> 2:12:32.200 Not? 2:12:32.480 --> 2:12:35.200 Not not? I didn't realize it that at the time. 2:12:37.880 --> 2:12:41.040 But when you work with my life, you know, And 2:12:41.720 --> 2:12:46.280 I'd gotten so big I was three hundred and twenty pounds. 2:12:46.400 --> 2:12:48.000 Jesus Christ I totally forgot. 2:12:47.800 --> 2:12:52.040 That all that, and so the issue I realized my 2:12:52.040 --> 2:12:57.160 my addiction was food and the reason and because I 2:12:57.160 --> 2:12:58.560 was on the road all the time, I never really 2:12:58.560 --> 2:13:01.160 cared about I just ate in the eight and eight 2:13:01.440 --> 2:13:03.800 stress and then I started stressed, you know, And so 2:13:04.200 --> 2:13:09.880 I started to realize that ship something wrong. Blood clot 2:13:09.960 --> 2:13:12.720 here bye by this And I remember Leo said this, 2:13:12.960 --> 2:13:17.760 he said, I went to think about this. They had 2:13:17.800 --> 2:13:20.920 five hundred million dollars. Am I going to give it 2:13:20.960 --> 2:13:24.760 to you fat fuck? Or am I gonna give it 2:13:24.760 --> 2:13:30.080 to the healthy guy? Wow? Moment moment. And so I 2:13:30.600 --> 2:13:33.000 only say that I didn't realize that at that time. 2:13:33.040 --> 2:13:35.120 And sometimes you don't realize what you're going through. But 2:13:35.280 --> 2:13:40.360 that addiction to food stress eating is, as people called it, 2:13:40.400 --> 2:13:43.440 almost cost him my life. Diabetes the whole thing. 2:13:43.560 --> 2:13:46.960 So where you diagnosed with diabetes? Yeah? All that? 2:13:47.040 --> 2:13:52.480 Yeah, when I was in digestion problems, I was, I 2:13:52.520 --> 2:13:54.880 was at when I tell you, you know, a very 2:13:55.040 --> 2:13:58.080 reggie red, very big cap. All these guys were overweight, 2:13:59.640 --> 2:14:03.080 dieing in the whole nine How old are you at 2:14:03.120 --> 2:14:06.560 this time? At my biggest probably thirty two? 2:14:06.880 --> 2:14:10.320 Wow, that was a big yeah, because your initial weight 2:14:10.360 --> 2:14:13.040 loss was a lot, Like you dropped a lot of pounds. 2:14:13.040 --> 2:14:17.440 I went from three twenty I'm now where one ninety. 2:14:18.440 --> 2:14:22.880 Wow, that's like, oh no, I'm current, I'm five down. 2:14:24.400 --> 2:14:27.040 That a small No. Yeah. 2:14:27.320 --> 2:14:30.320 I had a similar scare. And I'm like in my 2:14:30.760 --> 2:14:38.000 second month of being a vegan, which I got to ask, 2:14:38.640 --> 2:14:40.680 is there ever a time where you just stopped counting 2:14:40.680 --> 2:14:41.680 the days like a prisoner? 2:14:44.360 --> 2:14:48.040 Like I dream of pancakes vegan? 2:14:48.080 --> 2:14:50.720 But every I have a diary and I'm like day 2:14:50.880 --> 2:14:54.080 forty four, like I'm that series like in Blood. 2:14:54.280 --> 2:15:00.000 I changed it's lifestyle now it's I look at food. 2:15:00.040 --> 2:15:01.080 I eat food for energy. 2:15:01.440 --> 2:15:03.880 So you're not a no sugar, no dairy anymore because 2:15:03.880 --> 2:15:04.080 you were. 2:15:04.200 --> 2:15:09.200 It was a no sugar still fr no fried foods, 2:15:12.320 --> 2:15:16.800 dairy and cheese. You know what I mean? I do? 2:15:17.200 --> 2:15:19.960 I'm people know me. I eat the same thing every day, 2:15:20.120 --> 2:15:25.960 you know what I mean? So egg whites in the morning, mushrooms, onions, peppers, 2:15:26.640 --> 2:15:28.640 sliced turkey, meat inside. 2:15:29.320 --> 2:15:30.760 Sumer look like Kevin. 2:15:32.520 --> 2:15:33.520 Let's get to lunch now. 2:15:34.480 --> 2:15:40.520 Lunches normally fish and Brussels sprouts or broccoli rob and 2:15:40.560 --> 2:15:44.240 then then I'll eat some seafood Weber shrimp, Alaskan king 2:15:44.280 --> 2:15:47.400 krab legs, but always protein and vegetables the same. And 2:15:47.840 --> 2:15:50.280 now I made a commitment, you know, forty eight by fifty, 2:15:50.280 --> 2:15:51.600 I want to be in the best shape in my life. 2:15:51.640 --> 2:15:54.840 So I'm doing CrossFit three days a week and I'm 2:15:54.880 --> 2:15:57.080 doing rowing every day. You know what I mean? 2:15:57.280 --> 2:16:01.440 I hate rowing. Do you do that machine where you 2:16:01.440 --> 2:16:02.600 have to do the two thousand? 2:16:04.560 --> 2:16:08.720 Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I love so much that I put 2:16:08.760 --> 2:16:09.880 it in my house. I bought one from my. 2:16:12.400 --> 2:16:13.120 Yes, exactly. 2:16:14.440 --> 2:16:17.520 Yeah, I purposely try to break the chair on that machine. 2:16:19.720 --> 2:16:22.360 Shout out the coach, Greg, I'll be there to mariw o'clock. 2:16:24.160 --> 2:16:24.680 Inspiration. 2:16:25.760 --> 2:16:32.040 Jesus, So I got that answer you asked, But. 2:16:32.240 --> 2:16:34.560 I'm gonna tell you question that's on the weight thing. 2:16:37.680 --> 2:16:40.640 So many people look at you and follow you. You 2:16:40.680 --> 2:16:42.920 know what kind of light you would shine if you 2:16:43.000 --> 2:16:45.640 did become healthy. And I'm not saying you're not healthy, 2:16:45.680 --> 2:16:49.560 but just if you did, the light that you would bring. 2:16:50.160 --> 2:16:53.080 To people just where Because people think that I'm now 2:16:53.200 --> 2:16:58.960 the Nazi asshole for like all the health stuff of 2:16:59.040 --> 2:16:59.680 them putting up. 2:17:00.040 --> 2:17:01.840 I do know you, not the people who don't know 2:17:01.920 --> 2:17:03.879 they are looking at you great. Yeah, just us, but 2:17:03.920 --> 2:17:05.640 people more people think it's great. 2:17:06.200 --> 2:17:08.760 I think I think you'd be such an inspiration to people, 2:17:08.800 --> 2:17:11.000 and you touch people's lives. I can't tell you. People 2:17:11.000 --> 2:17:14.720 who send me messages that you know forget me being 2:17:16.000 --> 2:17:17.680 who I am and the things that I've done, just 2:17:18.600 --> 2:17:21.920 the commitment because I've been I've lost weighting. It's now 2:17:21.959 --> 2:17:25.640 going to ten years. I don't count count days or anything. 2:17:25.720 --> 2:17:28.720 I really truly eat for energy. You may only eat 2:17:29.000 --> 2:17:31.920 enough stuff. I don't want to feel full. Fool is 2:17:32.040 --> 2:17:35.920 nasty to me. Full makes me feel sluggish in a 2:17:36.000 --> 2:17:40.119 certain way. So I pray for you, and I hope 2:17:40.160 --> 2:17:44.480 that you find you know the light enough to follow 2:17:44.520 --> 2:17:46.560 the light and shine light on other people. 2:17:47.440 --> 2:17:49.800 Wow. Things I feel like I just got blessed. 2:17:49.480 --> 2:17:53.720 By al would eat is Rick Ross and it's like 2:17:53.720 --> 2:17:54.440 a pure blessing. 2:17:57.280 --> 2:18:04.160 Who the sugar Steve is our resident diabetes. 2:18:04.440 --> 2:18:06.520 Uh got up during that part. 2:18:07.080 --> 2:18:13.680 Yeah, he's probably smoking a cigarette, like eating the cake 2:18:14.040 --> 2:18:15.000 coming like what I mean? 2:18:15.160 --> 2:18:15.360 Yeah? 2:18:15.959 --> 2:18:19.840 So, uh what your your actually Actually the three of 2:18:19.879 --> 2:18:23.160 you left def JAM at the same time. 2:18:23.200 --> 2:18:28.040 Correct two thousand and six. Uh, it was four when 2:18:28.360 --> 2:18:30.400 they were there when we signed to Atlantic. 2:18:30.320 --> 2:18:34.760 So leor left first, I was there at President CEO 2:18:34.959 --> 2:18:39.039 Deaf jam Uh. Julie was there as the execu Press 2:18:39.040 --> 2:18:45.720 President Island President Allen. She left and then and I 2:18:45.720 --> 2:18:47.520 always tell a story, So it's me in l A. 2:18:48.680 --> 2:18:49.720 And I felt like. 2:18:49.920 --> 2:18:52.199 What was was the synergies the same. 2:18:52.879 --> 2:18:55.480 I mean it was it was my company, you know 2:18:55.480 --> 2:18:57.640 what I mean. We ran it. I just so I 2:18:57.640 --> 2:19:01.280 had the keys, but I didn't have the house. So 2:19:01.280 --> 2:19:04.800 So and Doug and them, they just didn't know. They 2:19:04.840 --> 2:19:07.960 didn't trust me enough because I was Lear's guide, you 2:19:08.000 --> 2:19:10.280 know what I mean. And so they told me you 2:19:10.320 --> 2:19:14.120 should come and you know, stay and understand. I said, listen, 2:19:14.879 --> 2:19:17.760 I love La. It's my my friend. It's like somebody 2:19:18.280 --> 2:19:20.280 as another guy that I think the world of, and 2:19:20.360 --> 2:19:21.879 we can do great We don't do the same thing, 2:19:22.040 --> 2:19:23.879 you know what I mean, we can do great things together. 2:19:24.040 --> 2:19:27.120 Were disappointed that they didn't offer you the I wasn't. 2:19:27.200 --> 2:19:29.640 I wasn't say again, I wasn't that it was meant 2:19:29.640 --> 2:19:32.720 to be, so I don't. I don't live in So 2:19:32.800 --> 2:19:33.879 it was the only time I got this point where 2:19:33.879 --> 2:19:35.680 they said, you got y'all gonna give me the job. 2:19:35.720 --> 2:19:37.400 That was the only time I was this point other 2:19:37.440 --> 2:19:39.280 than that, I take life for what it has to 2:19:39.320 --> 2:19:41.560 give me. But that's why I'm so critical on my 2:19:41.680 --> 2:19:45.520 choices and the things that I do and how I 2:19:45.560 --> 2:19:48.200 treat people. So with LA, I looked at it. I said, Yo, 2:19:49.480 --> 2:19:53.720 so I don't want people doing the LA's people and 2:19:53.800 --> 2:19:56.080 Kevin's people. Then I'm not gonna let them do that 2:19:56.080 --> 2:19:59.480 to two African Americans at an institution like death. Jam. 2:20:00.080 --> 2:20:04.600 I can't do that, Yo. So I'm out, my man, 2:20:04.640 --> 2:20:08.200 but I gotta go, he said, Yo, no, no, I 2:20:08.240 --> 2:20:11.119 said no, But I'm doing this for us. I'm doing 2:20:11.160 --> 2:20:14.959 this for us because you deserve and respect for what 2:20:15.040 --> 2:20:17.800 you have and respect what you've done as an executive. 2:20:18.560 --> 2:20:21.800 You don't need a hindrance to you doing what you 2:20:21.840 --> 2:20:24.400 need to do. This is deaf Jam, you know what 2:20:24.400 --> 2:20:26.680 I mean? This is Alan deaf Jam. I need you 2:20:26.760 --> 2:20:29.960 to have full control and anything. So I'm a help 2:20:30.000 --> 2:20:32.480 as much as I can, but I think it's best 2:20:32.520 --> 2:20:35.920 that I give you. You have the house, I give 2:20:35.959 --> 2:20:37.840 you the keys also. So that's what it was. 2:20:38.480 --> 2:20:41.640 So in your success, it was Jay right or Jay? 2:20:42.959 --> 2:20:43.320 Was that? 2:20:43.680 --> 2:20:46.560 What do you think of that period? Like were you 2:20:47.400 --> 2:20:53.240 shocked or did you feel that that was not natural, 2:20:53.320 --> 2:20:56.280 But like was it was it something that you. 2:20:57.760 --> 2:20:58.320 Believed in? 2:20:58.680 --> 2:21:01.000 Or I think it was it was you gotta it 2:21:01.040 --> 2:21:07.960 was necessary. Two, because you gotta understand some I'm ten 2:21:08.040 --> 2:21:11.360 years now, I'm fifteen years there, and so people there's 2:21:11.360 --> 2:21:13.360 some kids who don't know Russell was president in the 2:21:13.400 --> 2:21:16.120 death jam, you know, I mean there's some millennials that 2:21:16.200 --> 2:21:18.200 don't know that. They think it was me. You know, 2:21:18.640 --> 2:21:21.360 I found it in that old thing. So you know 2:21:21.879 --> 2:21:25.600 the issue I think that they had with Liro and 2:21:26.840 --> 2:21:30.120 me not being there. They had to have someone there 2:21:30.160 --> 2:21:38.120 with enough gravitas, enough like the attraction and success that 2:21:38.440 --> 2:21:40.400 would stop the bleeding, you know what I mean. 2:21:40.440 --> 2:21:42.280 But why do you think the art it didn't during 2:21:42.280 --> 2:21:44.680 that time, it seemed like the artists on roster weren't 2:21:44.680 --> 2:21:48.920 as happy as they were before, some of the people 2:21:48.920 --> 2:21:49.840 who had been there for a while. 2:21:50.520 --> 2:21:53.600 I think it's management styles, I think. 2:21:54.600 --> 2:21:56.760 And how do you deal with a fading light like 2:21:57.680 --> 2:22:03.520 EPMD's situation for instance, Like you know, how do you 2:22:04.040 --> 2:22:08.920 take a legacy act that might not necessarily be as open? 2:22:09.040 --> 2:22:11.280 I mean, am I to assume? I don't? I don't, 2:22:11.400 --> 2:22:15.080 like I never know what ELL's processes. 2:22:15.160 --> 2:22:18.760 He just seems to me that he's just open to 2:22:20.120 --> 2:22:24.160 ideas and if it's and if it's a good idea, 2:22:24.240 --> 2:22:24.840 I'll go with it. 2:22:25.120 --> 2:22:26.480 I know plenty of artists. 2:22:26.240 --> 2:22:30.520 That would, you know, turn their back on a hip 2:22:30.840 --> 2:22:33.240 for fear of like I don't want to look bad 2:22:33.360 --> 2:22:35.440 for my boys singing da da Da da da. But 2:22:35.640 --> 2:22:38.840 how do you take a legacy act that was good 2:22:38.879 --> 2:22:42.360 for the label like E p MD or Eric Sermon 2:22:42.480 --> 2:22:46.720 and that sort of thing, like if the expiration is 2:22:46.800 --> 2:22:49.879 up and they're like, okay, well we're back in business 2:22:50.040 --> 2:22:53.640 or that thing like was the Ninetess back in business? 2:22:53.720 --> 2:22:54.279 Out of business? 2:22:55.360 --> 2:22:57.880 I did all those albums, so that could have produce. 2:22:57.959 --> 2:23:00.760 I mean, that's why we're going to It's a question. 2:23:01.280 --> 2:23:05.080 So for that for those comeback records, like are they 2:23:05.120 --> 2:23:08.520 having these like uh, these frothy goals of like ah, man, 2:23:08.520 --> 2:23:12.480 we're back to our you know, our regular platinum status 2:23:12.560 --> 2:23:14.119 and you know the world's gonna know who. 2:23:14.000 --> 2:23:17.560 We are because I said they were never a platinum, 2:23:17.879 --> 2:23:21.920 they were gold. What I'm trying to say is their 2:23:22.040 --> 2:23:26.760 expectation was to be able to go out on the 2:23:26.840 --> 2:23:33.280 road and perform for their fans. Serm Eric Sermon, Uh, 2:23:33.600 --> 2:23:36.480 his expectations was to be the produce you gotta. You 2:23:36.480 --> 2:23:39.480 gotta remember when we did back in business and then 2:23:39.480 --> 2:23:46.640 there was another one out. You know, these were albums 2:23:46.680 --> 2:23:49.200 done out of love. It wasn't like that. It wasn't expectation, 2:23:49.280 --> 2:23:52.320 Oh we're gonna go and get jet. It was not that. 2:23:52.440 --> 2:23:55.080 It was that, Yo, we still want to do it, 2:23:55.120 --> 2:23:58.240 so help us do it. And that's what I That's 2:23:58.240 --> 2:24:01.240 what I did, and I think we did. Eric did 2:24:01.280 --> 2:24:03.560 some great Eric did the four three two one remix 2:24:03.640 --> 2:24:07.240 for me, and I always say, so, if he can 2:24:07.280 --> 2:24:09.240 bless me there, I have to be able to work 2:24:09.280 --> 2:24:11.680 with them. And the joke was the group was called 2:24:11.720 --> 2:24:15.360 k EPM D because I was. I was always stayed 2:24:15.440 --> 2:24:16.960 right with them too, you know what I mean. So 2:24:17.000 --> 2:24:18.720 that was I mean through all that, I went through 2:24:18.720 --> 2:24:20.240 all the thick and so. 2:24:20.160 --> 2:24:21.720 That must have been a part of the culture shot 2:24:21.760 --> 2:24:24.560 because I remember when you left ll it seemed like 2:24:24.680 --> 2:24:28.200 it was definitely a difference in him, like a mirror. 2:24:28.200 --> 2:24:31.320 I'm not not got your moment. However, he definitely made 2:24:31.320 --> 2:24:34.200 it known how he felt about the new administration and 2:24:35.680 --> 2:24:37.040 how did that affect you? Because it just seemed like 2:24:37.040 --> 2:24:40.080 the whole camaraderie, whatever you brought, that joy that you 2:24:40.160 --> 2:24:42.480 brought to that building, it got him done. 2:24:42.920 --> 2:24:45.600 I think it's a different I mean, you got to 2:24:45.600 --> 2:24:49.200 look at different administrations coming every four years, and I 2:24:49.200 --> 2:24:52.800 think that, but you learned how to deal with them. 2:24:53.040 --> 2:24:56.879 I think, Okay, maybe that feeling wasn't there, but Rihanna's dead, right? 2:24:57.120 --> 2:24:57.520 But did he? 2:24:57.879 --> 2:24:58.160 But did? 2:24:58.320 --> 2:24:59.720 I mean y'all are friends, so I'm sure he like 2:24:59.760 --> 2:25:01.200 called you like I can't deal? 2:25:01.320 --> 2:25:06.560 Did you have to? I think people knew, people know 2:25:06.680 --> 2:25:08.879 me and hope you know what I mean. People know 2:25:09.120 --> 2:25:12.959 that if he called me today and said, Yo, I 2:25:13.000 --> 2:25:16.240 need you to to run this or do this, that's 2:25:16.280 --> 2:25:18.480 my guy. I'm gonna do whatever I can for him. 2:25:18.480 --> 2:25:21.520 But vice versa. Like other people can't call him, I 2:25:21.560 --> 2:25:25.039 can call him and say, yo, I need It's not 2:25:25.120 --> 2:25:28.360 money thing, you know, and he'll He'll be there and 2:25:28.400 --> 2:25:29.920 the rest of these kids. I always told him when 2:25:29.920 --> 2:25:32.520 I left, it was emotional for me. You know, you 2:25:32.560 --> 2:25:36.160 got to understand something. I took that badge and the 2:25:36.240 --> 2:25:39.279 only thing I don't have is a tattoo with that jam. 2:25:39.440 --> 2:25:44.119 And these were brothers and sons and daughters that and 2:25:44.200 --> 2:25:48.959 aunts and people who I came up with in the business. 2:25:49.440 --> 2:25:52.200 But at the end of the day, they have to 2:25:52.200 --> 2:25:53.959 do what's best for their families. Like I had to 2:25:53.959 --> 2:25:56.080 do what's best for my families, and I got I 2:25:56.080 --> 2:25:57.800 got some of the calls. But I will always say, 2:25:58.000 --> 2:26:03.080 remember when Rick, and when Rick left, there was Lear 2:26:04.120 --> 2:26:07.879 change the administration. When Lera we grew so big, Lear 2:26:08.000 --> 2:26:12.440 had to have Kevin Lowles change administration. And the same 2:26:12.480 --> 2:26:14.880 way some of the artists people. It's people who felt 2:26:14.879 --> 2:26:16.480 that death jam when I came in. When they named 2:26:16.520 --> 2:26:20.360 me president, some people left, some people threw ship all. 2:26:20.440 --> 2:26:21.519 They couldn't believe. 2:26:21.200 --> 2:26:22.160 How they left. 2:26:22.840 --> 2:26:25.600 They couldn't they couldn't believe how they named me. People 2:26:25.640 --> 2:26:26.840 cried that. 2:26:27.040 --> 2:26:31.600 So so even despite you coming in first and leaving last. 2:26:31.440 --> 2:26:36.440 What wasn't wasn't about that because the culture wasn't about 2:26:37.080 --> 2:26:40.680 how can I say the team? It was more so 2:26:40.760 --> 2:26:43.720 about we death jam and and and what it wasn't. 2:26:44.000 --> 2:26:46.879 And to me, I'm okay with being in the back 2:26:46.959 --> 2:26:49.480 seat driving being I'm gonna being on the roof, put 2:26:49.480 --> 2:26:51.640 me in the trunk. I'm okay with whoever, as long 2:26:51.640 --> 2:26:53.520 as we accomplished the goal and what's the greater good? 2:26:53.520 --> 2:26:55.400 And so I just think it's the difference. When new 2:26:55.400 --> 2:26:59.320 administrations come in, they have to cater to the artists, 2:26:59.760 --> 2:27:04.080 and when you don't cater to art the paint starts appeal. 2:27:04.800 --> 2:27:06.200 And so that's what I think, you. 2:27:06.160 --> 2:27:08.800 Know, I want to I want to ask. 2:27:12.240 --> 2:27:18.080 If you can name me three three artists or three acts. 2:27:18.920 --> 2:27:20.279 Don't get me a trouble question. 2:27:21.800 --> 2:27:27.360 Kevin Lowbes, I love you, man, I'm not got you. 2:27:27.480 --> 2:27:32.879 Name me three acts that got away? I could have 2:27:32.959 --> 2:27:38.119 had blah blah blah, like damn if we just they 2:27:38.280 --> 2:27:42.800 went somewhere else, Like what three acts could you could 2:27:42.800 --> 2:27:45.440 you have signed or had that got away? 2:27:46.160 --> 2:27:46.480 Nelly? 2:27:47.400 --> 2:27:48.160 WHOA? 2:27:49.000 --> 2:27:54.760 How close was Nelly negotiations with Deft Chair and what 2:27:54.959 --> 2:27:58.640 caused it to not happen? I know someone had to say, oh, 2:27:58.720 --> 2:27:59.840 this guy will never sell this. 2:28:00.959 --> 2:28:04.440 I just think it was a time and issue, and 2:28:04.520 --> 2:28:09.200 we were we were a really like coast based label, 2:28:09.720 --> 2:28:13.200 East Coast and West Coast and didn't understand it. 2:28:15.040 --> 2:28:17.760 I think Leard didn't like it. 2:28:18.520 --> 2:28:26.680 I mean, I think fifty Wait a minute, you trying 2:28:26.720 --> 2:28:28.800 to tell me Chris Lidi managed them? 2:28:28.879 --> 2:28:34.680 Yeah, yeah, what had happened? I never thought of that. 2:28:35.160 --> 2:28:38.560 So if Lady would have signed fifty cent Andi Rule 2:28:38.640 --> 2:28:39.800 was on the label at the same time. 2:28:40.240 --> 2:28:43.119 Yeah, that would have been crazy. I didn't. 2:28:44.360 --> 2:28:48.240 Listen or was that an issue? No, the best thing 2:28:48.360 --> 2:28:50.720 for everybody, And again, I deal with a greater good. 2:28:51.959 --> 2:28:56.520 Fifty had an opportunity to be with Dre. I believe 2:28:56.520 --> 2:28:58.600 if fifty would have been with us. 2:28:58.560 --> 2:29:01.320 You mean you had a when he signed the Columbia 2:29:01.360 --> 2:29:03.920 the first time, or like you know, after period after Columbia, 2:29:03.959 --> 2:29:05.840 after y'all could have tooke nim. 2:29:08.240 --> 2:29:09.000 Like mixtape. 2:29:09.120 --> 2:29:14.000 I mean, I mean we could have signed fifty, but 2:29:14.080 --> 2:29:18.320 the greater good called and the greater good was Yo. 2:29:19.040 --> 2:29:22.720 I think that's the better situation. And I think that 2:29:23.840 --> 2:29:25.680 because of doctor Drake, because of the whole thing that 2:29:25.800 --> 2:29:28.560 came along with and I think that because of the 2:29:28.640 --> 2:29:32.920 choice that he made. I think, uh, he became the 2:29:33.000 --> 2:29:34.800 artist that he is. I don't think we could have 2:29:34.800 --> 2:29:38.199 did it as great of a job with with him 2:29:38.360 --> 2:29:41.840 as they did. So I think that was one. And 2:29:41.879 --> 2:29:47.360 then who else said you got me three man? 2:29:47.560 --> 2:29:48.920 I mean, it doesn't have to be hip hop. I'm 2:29:48.959 --> 2:29:52.680 sure there's some singer rock band too, because. 2:29:53.200 --> 2:29:58.160 Let me see, uh, I mean, it ain't that many 2:29:58.160 --> 2:30:03.760 that if we wanted them we didn't get now the brag, No, 2:30:04.000 --> 2:30:07.360 I really like, I'm I can't in doing my era. 2:30:07.480 --> 2:30:12.520 I can't think I'm another number numb act that if 2:30:12.520 --> 2:30:15.800 we really wanted them, that we didn't get him. Fifty, Yeah, 2:30:15.879 --> 2:30:18.119 I would say, and and by the way, they're both 2:30:18.400 --> 2:30:21.800 very good friends. I went on to manage Nelly, you know, 2:30:21.840 --> 2:30:24.240 for a period of time. Of course he did, so 2:30:24.560 --> 2:30:27.160 he's shout out to Nellie, shout out to fifty. 2:30:27.879 --> 2:30:29.720 Do you have a favorite era of deaf Jam? I mean, 2:30:29.680 --> 2:30:31.640 because we didn't even talk about death Show or anything else. 2:30:31.680 --> 2:30:34.320 But I'm just curious because I remember that was like 2:30:34.360 --> 2:30:36.640 a big deal in twenty steath, so so I'm just 2:30:36.640 --> 2:30:39.280 curious you have a I don't. 2:30:39.480 --> 2:30:42.240 I mean, this is great. I don't have a favorite 2:30:42.240 --> 2:30:43.320 era era. 2:30:43.200 --> 2:30:44.920 That meant the most you. I guess the favorite word 2:30:45.000 --> 2:30:46.920 is a. 2:30:46.000 --> 2:30:48.360 Are you one of those like I never looked back once, 2:30:48.400 --> 2:30:50.280 I'm looking towards the touchdown goal? 2:30:50.440 --> 2:30:56.360 Yeah, I said, I'm just I'm not doing this, okay, nothing, no, 2:30:56.360 --> 2:30:59.720 none of that, because I really believe if you stay 2:30:59.720 --> 2:31:04.680 in the state of evolution, you make change. I don't. 2:31:04.800 --> 2:31:08.680 I don't feel like I don't want to be stagnant. 2:31:08.760 --> 2:31:14.080 So therefore, I don't spend my time just reflecting on 2:31:14.120 --> 2:31:16.920 the roses. I smell them, but I don't sit back 2:31:17.000 --> 2:31:20.320 and look, you know at what I what I did. 2:31:20.400 --> 2:31:22.240 That's why I like now I can sit here and say, 2:31:22.959 --> 2:31:25.840 you know, when streaming started and uh, we had the 2:31:25.879 --> 2:31:28.200 first artist of stream a billion streams with fedtie wat. 2:31:28.560 --> 2:31:30.400 I can sit here today and say it got the 2:31:30.440 --> 2:31:32.480 number one rock record with high suspect. I see in 2:31:32.560 --> 2:31:34.720 the day and say I got Migos. I'd rather talk 2:31:34.760 --> 2:31:36.440 I say it and say I got a guy named 2:31:36.480 --> 2:31:39.880 young Doug. That's you know, putting out so many records 2:31:39.879 --> 2:31:43.840 that I can say all these things in a sense. 2:31:44.120 --> 2:31:45.480 But now if you want me to go back and 2:31:45.520 --> 2:31:46.199 talk about. 2:31:45.959 --> 2:31:49.080 It, we can talk about and how you managing and 2:31:49.080 --> 2:31:50.959 having labels at the same time and doing so much. 2:31:51.120 --> 2:31:54.080 Yeah, all that, But you know, I just really look 2:31:54.200 --> 2:32:00.400 forward to what God has prepared, you know. But I 2:32:00.400 --> 2:32:02.400 gotta work at it though, you know. I tell people, 2:32:02.480 --> 2:32:04.520 you really don't want it, if you're not willing to 2:32:04.520 --> 2:32:07.160 give up everything for it, really don't really don't want it. 2:32:07.160 --> 2:32:09.360 And a lot of kids today they don't want it. 2:32:09.360 --> 2:32:11.560 They act like they want it, but they don't want. 2:32:11.400 --> 2:32:13.880 It, they don't want it as and if they don't 2:32:13.879 --> 2:32:15.160 have the drive that you had. 2:32:15.000 --> 2:32:19.080 It's not about It's not about drive. I mean, see, 2:32:19.240 --> 2:32:24.279 I believe, I believe every day I'm I'm I'm trying 2:32:24.280 --> 2:32:28.000 to prove to you that I'm Michael Jordan every day 2:32:28.120 --> 2:32:32.720 still to this day, still Michael Jordan, still Michael Jordan, 2:32:32.840 --> 2:32:38.720 not not no, not coach, no, no, Michael Jordan's I play. 2:32:38.800 --> 2:32:41.040 I play okay, I play hard. 2:32:41.640 --> 2:32:44.280 So in your world like it's not about okay, Well, 2:32:44.480 --> 2:32:47.840 you know I should be in coach position or even 2:32:47.879 --> 2:32:49.039 owner position. 2:32:48.959 --> 2:32:55.680 Or what's funny? Is you gotta I own a piece 2:32:55.720 --> 2:33:00.520 of death jam at twenty eight, I don't know what 2:33:00.600 --> 2:33:01.840 I don't know what it is not to be owner. 2:33:02.320 --> 2:33:06.960 I own Warner Music Group, I own three hundred you know, 2:33:07.879 --> 2:33:09.880 I don't know our own kW I don't know what 2:33:09.879 --> 2:33:11.720 it is not to own, So I don't. I don't, 2:33:12.280 --> 2:33:14.680 but I don't know what I would do if I did, 2:33:14.800 --> 2:33:15.320 couldn't play? 2:33:16.840 --> 2:33:19.280 Do you think your journey could exist in twenty seventeen 2:33:19.360 --> 2:33:22.080 like the way did you started your journey? Continued your journey. 2:33:21.840 --> 2:33:26.440 Like right now that's still at your office making sure 2:33:26.440 --> 2:33:31.160 that so ten years from now. 2:33:31.280 --> 2:33:31.760 We're going to. 2:33:33.240 --> 2:33:34.880 Now. I got I got a lot of a lot 2:33:34.959 --> 2:33:38.280 of young kids who I feel like, do. 2:33:38.280 --> 2:33:42.800 You feel millennials even have that drive at all? 2:33:43.360 --> 2:33:45.920 I think some do. I think some do. Think you 2:33:45.959 --> 2:33:50.080 find the right ones. I think CJ's one. I think 2:33:50.120 --> 2:33:51.960 I got another kid in my office who was like 2:33:52.040 --> 2:33:56.560 the third person that out of Google class and interns. 2:33:57.040 --> 2:34:01.240 I think Ash is one. I think I got another 2:34:01.320 --> 2:34:04.520 marketing person named Raina who's I mean, they're there, you 2:34:04.520 --> 2:34:09.320 know what I mean. But what happened quest is that 2:34:09.520 --> 2:34:13.160 there's a period of time in our culture where mentorship 2:34:15.040 --> 2:34:18.400 was lost because everybody, everybody got everybody got scared for 2:34:18.440 --> 2:34:21.640 their jobs, got selfish, and they got selfish and so. 2:34:23.120 --> 2:34:25.280 And it's it's called flexing. 2:34:26.520 --> 2:34:29.880 The only reason I came reason I came back like 2:34:29.879 --> 2:34:35.800 like like I have it is because I don't need 2:34:36.120 --> 2:34:39.200 If you look at it, all of the diversity and 2:34:39.480 --> 2:34:41.600 the music business and things like that, there's not enough 2:34:41.600 --> 2:34:45.560 of us and and and But I tell people, you 2:34:45.680 --> 2:34:48.880 got to be prepared for the moment. And being prepared 2:34:48.920 --> 2:34:50.680 for the moment is making sure you the best you, 2:34:51.000 --> 2:34:54.360 and you're having the biggest value proposition. And a lot 2:34:54.360 --> 2:34:57.199 of kids that's wasn't there, And so I demand excellence. 2:34:57.200 --> 2:34:59.240 Your teaching and you just use that phrase twice and 2:34:59.240 --> 2:35:01.680 it's this wholes Can you say that again? The value 2:35:01.680 --> 2:35:04.360 people say stuff they don't know what it is, and 2:35:04.400 --> 2:35:04.840 that's kind. 2:35:04.760 --> 2:35:06.320 Of deep, but you just so I believe there's a 2:35:06.400 --> 2:35:09.640 value publish proposition on both sides. People who come to me, 2:35:09.879 --> 2:35:11.280 can you give me a job? I said no, but 2:35:11.320 --> 2:35:15.120 you can create a position with me. What's your value proposition. 2:35:15.480 --> 2:35:16.840 I'm not gonna pay you what You're going to create 2:35:16.879 --> 2:35:19.600 your position and create your position and then we'll talk 2:35:19.640 --> 2:35:20.039 about it. 2:35:20.120 --> 2:35:27.760 So if someone with the gravity ties and nerve that 2:35:28.120 --> 2:35:31.680 Rockefeller had, when I guess they told you guys. 2:35:31.400 --> 2:35:42.520 Like Dame had, not Rockefeller, Okay, but no, no, no, no, no, 2:35:43.240 --> 2:35:48.080 in the way of saying everybody had that role. That 2:35:48.160 --> 2:35:50.720 was it, that was his role and he played well. 2:35:51.120 --> 2:35:53.640 Oh okay, well no, no, no again. 2:35:54.000 --> 2:35:57.000 A lot of this, I'm just going on folklore that 2:35:57.240 --> 2:36:00.320 you know, you always hear stories of, and I just remember, 2:36:00.720 --> 2:36:02.480 at or at least what I was told was that 2:36:02.879 --> 2:36:06.920 when they had the initial death Jam meeting, it was like, no, 2:36:07.080 --> 2:36:10.800 we want to be our own label, not just to 2:36:10.840 --> 2:36:11.480 be an artist. 2:36:11.760 --> 2:36:14.959 J Damon Biggs came to my office. IRV said, Yo, 2:36:15.040 --> 2:36:17.160 y'all want to get your records played, you gotta go 2:36:17.160 --> 2:36:21.160 see Kevin Lows okay. And so they came to my 2:36:21.200 --> 2:36:26.039 office with a bag of money, a brown paper bag 2:36:27.080 --> 2:36:31.960 and whoa. I said, Yo, let me hate the music. 2:36:32.000 --> 2:36:33.400 You know, I just want to know. I know life 2:36:33.440 --> 2:36:35.039 that I heard you know in my lifetime, said let 2:36:35.080 --> 2:36:37.680 me the music. So I said, Yo, why don't you 2:36:37.680 --> 2:36:41.800 try to sign hit? Jay said, we Rockefeller? 2:36:43.480 --> 2:36:43.760 Cool? 2:36:45.320 --> 2:36:48.360 All right, cool? So, but Yo, we should stay in touch. 2:36:48.520 --> 2:36:50.720 And I helped them get the record on the radio, 2:36:51.200 --> 2:36:52.920 and then they did the record with Foxy and we 2:36:52.920 --> 2:36:55.520 put that on Rush Hour soundtrack, the first one in 2:36:55.520 --> 2:36:56.279 the rest is history. 2:36:58.120 --> 2:37:01.359 That's really that's though, because. 2:37:01.360 --> 2:37:04.400 That's listen another time he said it. When we all 2:37:04.400 --> 2:37:08.720 went to the Warner Music Group, Jay said, Yo. 2:37:09.000 --> 2:37:11.360 And how did y'all get him to agree to that? 2:37:13.360 --> 2:37:14.959 He Kevin's all smiles. 2:37:15.000 --> 2:37:17.880 Now, No, it's it's when you it's when you always 2:37:17.879 --> 2:37:22.760 think it a greater good. So, when Jay had the 2:37:22.760 --> 2:37:25.880 opportunity to work with us again, because he got did 2:37:25.879 --> 2:37:28.720 the whole lot next thing, finished his commitment there, he 2:37:28.800 --> 2:37:31.320 brought his album over to us at Atlantic. 2:37:32.360 --> 2:37:37.400 Which the Kingdom come or the UH part three Blueprint 2:37:37.480 --> 2:37:38.039 Blueprint three. 2:37:38.080 --> 2:37:41.280 Okay, And and he didn't have to do that. He 2:37:41.320 --> 2:37:43.520 could have did it anywhere in the world, but he chose. 2:37:44.040 --> 2:37:44.680 He could have. 2:37:45.200 --> 2:37:46.880 You know, he could have did it anywhere in the world. 2:37:46.959 --> 2:37:51.039 And the reality of it was that's because of the 2:37:51.080 --> 2:37:53.320 greater good, you know, man, and I believe we all 2:37:53.360 --> 2:37:56.400 work together again. And I believe I'm now with Lee 2:37:56.480 --> 2:37:58.680 or at YouTube, there's gonna be a lot of opportunity 2:37:58.879 --> 2:38:02.160 for more things to happen, and our culture is going 2:38:02.200 --> 2:38:03.960 to even continue to grow more. 2:38:04.680 --> 2:38:06.920 I just want to wrap up to where you are now, 2:38:06.959 --> 2:38:11.720 which is of course between kW L and three hundred entertainment. 2:38:14.440 --> 2:38:16.560 Why would you want to be a manager? 2:38:18.520 --> 2:38:25.320 Which means that I'm certain that your phone are ringing 2:38:26.160 --> 2:38:32.160 off that CJ's already confirming. Do you dread when the 2:38:32.200 --> 2:38:35.959 phone rings between eleven? 2:38:36.320 --> 2:38:40.520 I'm sure you have a batphone, that batphone, which is like, do. 2:38:40.600 --> 2:38:44.080 Not call this phone unless it's an emerged right, Okay, 2:38:44.600 --> 2:38:46.400 you always showed me all forty two billions. 2:38:47.120 --> 2:38:49.959 So when phone number three rings at. 2:38:49.800 --> 2:38:51.280 Two in the morning, that's in a call. 2:38:52.440 --> 2:38:57.959 Are you is there tremors? Are are you? 2:38:58.080 --> 2:39:02.800 Like? Oh God, so where I'm at in my life? People? Now, 2:39:02.800 --> 2:39:05.400 I have a eighteen year old, sixteen year old, five 2:39:05.480 --> 2:39:10.119 year old, two year old, I have a wife. I'm 2:39:10.120 --> 2:39:15.080 not answering the phone at a certain time, but it's 2:39:15.080 --> 2:39:17.440 out of respect. But I make sure before I lay 2:39:17.480 --> 2:39:21.280 down that everything's done. It's not an issue. And if 2:39:21.280 --> 2:39:23.440 I do get a four o'clock in the morning call 2:39:23.480 --> 2:39:29.760 like I did last week, yeah, okay, it's already handled 2:39:29.760 --> 2:39:33.480 to a point that I just got to give the blessing, 2:39:33.800 --> 2:39:36.200 you know, because I got people of a company. It's 2:39:36.200 --> 2:39:37.080 not just just me. 2:39:37.160 --> 2:39:39.760 I have people who are You're at the top of 2:39:39.760 --> 2:39:40.720 the very. 2:39:40.600 --> 2:39:43.800 Competent an and I have to just say I don't 2:39:44.280 --> 2:39:45.960 I never wanted to manage. I don't even feel like 2:39:46.000 --> 2:39:47.480 I managed right now. 2:39:47.520 --> 2:39:49.360 You don't want to manage. You didn't want to be president, 2:39:49.440 --> 2:39:52.400 you didn't want to want artist. What do you want 2:39:52.400 --> 2:39:53.360 to do, Kevin Lowlson? 2:39:55.959 --> 2:39:57.840 Okay, let me tell you really want to do. I 2:39:57.879 --> 2:40:01.320 want to change people's lives, and right now I'm doing 2:40:01.320 --> 2:40:01.920 it through music. 2:40:03.800 --> 2:40:06.199 I can't accept that it's good because. 2:40:05.959 --> 2:40:08.280 The truth, that's all I want to do, and I really, 2:40:08.440 --> 2:40:11.480 honestly I tell you and then we can wrap up. 2:40:11.480 --> 2:40:13.720 So when I left for Warner Music Group, I was 2:40:13.760 --> 2:40:16.440 done with the business. I said, I don't I said, 2:40:16.800 --> 2:40:20.080 you don't want to sign Chris Brown. You're trying to 2:40:20.120 --> 2:40:23.360 tell me about you want to get rid of this artist. 2:40:23.400 --> 2:40:25.640 I said, yeah, I can't do that. So I'm an 2:40:25.640 --> 2:40:28.440 EXECTI vice president, So I don't have a label. I'm 2:40:28.760 --> 2:40:32.720 the whole company, you know. And I said, I think 2:40:32.720 --> 2:40:35.720 it's the business is about the change. I think I 2:40:35.720 --> 2:40:37.760 should look at the new business model. Takes some time off. 2:40:37.879 --> 2:40:42.240 And so I worked out something with Warner and for 2:40:42.640 --> 2:40:45.360 you know, three years, and everything's great. My whole crew 2:40:45.400 --> 2:40:49.440 there and everything. And I met this kid, Trey while 2:40:49.480 --> 2:40:51.680 I was there. He said, yo, I got rid of 2:40:51.760 --> 2:40:56.000 my manager. I said, so, who's your manager? He said Delante. 2:40:56.040 --> 2:40:58.800 I said, Delante was my first intern ever in the 2:40:58.879 --> 2:41:02.800 music business. He said, what's the problem. Well, well, I said, yo, 2:41:03.080 --> 2:41:04.680 He said, keV, I want you to man. I said, yo, 2:41:04.680 --> 2:41:06.560 I'm not manager. I'm not waking up telling you I'm 2:41:06.560 --> 2:41:08.720 not doing nothing that we are y'all talking about management. 2:41:09.480 --> 2:41:13.800 And I said, but go out and talk to everybody 2:41:14.520 --> 2:41:16.240 and then come back and talk to me. And let's 2:41:16.240 --> 2:41:21.039 make a decision. So his mom calls me and says, 2:41:22.640 --> 2:41:26.879 I am keV. My son don't want a manager. He 2:41:26.920 --> 2:41:29.720 wants you. He said. He looks at you as a 2:41:29.840 --> 2:41:35.600 father figure. I said, oh jeez, no he didn't. He 2:41:35.600 --> 2:41:38.800 didn't call me, he said. So then he called and said, yo, 2:41:42.080 --> 2:41:44.160 I promise you. I'm gonna do whatever I need to 2:41:44.200 --> 2:41:47.240 do to be and I'm not going to act up. 2:41:48.040 --> 2:41:49.320 You know what I mean? I said, I don't think 2:41:49.320 --> 2:41:50.640 you're going to act up. I said, but you got 2:41:50.640 --> 2:41:53.359 to understand it's really you have to be my partner. 2:41:53.680 --> 2:41:56.320 I'm not your manager. Really, I'm your partner, and we're 2:41:56.320 --> 2:41:59.640 gonna have to figure it out. And so I agreed 2:41:59.680 --> 2:42:02.160 to do that. And then ten thousand other people called. 2:42:02.480 --> 2:42:06.680 But that was out of necessity. Our friend was out 2:42:06.680 --> 2:42:08.840 of necessity. It wasn't not it was I didn't I 2:42:08.840 --> 2:42:10.840 say I want to man it. It was out of necessity. 2:42:10.879 --> 2:42:13.640 I was about to say, what can we do to 2:42:13.720 --> 2:42:19.400 not make d'angelo's fourth album come out in twenty thirty seven? 2:42:19.560 --> 2:42:22.920 Right label love? Man, I can just I can be 2:42:23.000 --> 2:42:23.680 honest with you. 2:42:25.080 --> 2:42:27.440 I know it's frustrating, you know, and then you see 2:42:27.440 --> 2:42:29.240 it perform and it's like all's forgiven. 2:42:30.280 --> 2:42:30.720 This is me. 2:42:31.080 --> 2:42:35.680 He wanted us listen, relationship, right, it's like a relationship. 2:42:35.680 --> 2:42:37.840 He's one of those I can say, listen, whether he 2:42:37.879 --> 2:42:42.640 makes ten albums, five albums, two albums, for whatever he 2:42:42.720 --> 2:42:45.680 decides to make, it'll be Danzel. It's only one of those. 2:42:46.080 --> 2:42:49.000 And that's how I feel about it. And it's out 2:42:49.000 --> 2:42:51.039 of necessity. That's my brother, you know what I mean. 2:42:51.040 --> 2:42:55.080 That's somebody who like, I'm gonna be there for him, 2:42:55.240 --> 2:42:58.600 you know, whether he's writing music, performing, whatever he's doing, 2:42:58.600 --> 2:43:00.080 I'm gonna be there for him. This is right, but 2:43:00.160 --> 2:43:03.040 stayed right. But but again it's out of necessity. That 2:43:03.160 --> 2:43:05.400 was out of necessity. I have some acts that I 2:43:05.560 --> 2:43:07.360 do because they want to beat but they all want 2:43:07.400 --> 2:43:09.920 to beat me for different reasons, and so it's out 2:43:09.920 --> 2:43:11.000 of necessity, you know. 2:43:11.120 --> 2:43:13.160 With that, Who are the acts that you manage? Now? 2:43:15.560 --> 2:43:21.000 P and B Rock Philly Shout out to Philly. Shout 2:43:21.000 --> 2:43:25.280 out to P and B. Do you still have l No, 2:43:25.600 --> 2:43:27.280 don't have her? K Michelle? 2:43:29.840 --> 2:43:30.200 Who else? 2:43:30.240 --> 2:43:37.040 I well, Wes Walker from another Philly white rap who 2:43:38.200 --> 2:43:42.880 Charles Jenkins Big Pastor out of Chicago. Shout out to Charles. 2:43:42.920 --> 2:43:48.240 I'm forgetting somebody. I'm forgetting somebody, really, oh, London on 2:43:48.240 --> 2:43:53.600 the track and if I forgot you, I'm sorry, it's late. 2:43:54.480 --> 2:43:55.560 I'm sorry. 2:43:55.600 --> 2:43:58.760 Well, I thank you very much. Give it up for 2:43:58.840 --> 2:43:59.360 our guests. 2:44:00.840 --> 2:44:06.119 Kevin le the guru, the guru. 2:44:06.840 --> 2:44:08.920 I'm gonna take that, though I might that may be my. 2:44:10.520 --> 2:44:12.520 I can't be the first person that ever called. 2:44:12.360 --> 2:44:17.560 You a guru. Russell called me a priest. Wow. Rare 2:44:17.959 --> 2:44:21.039 calls me the covenor instead of the governor. That because 2:44:21.080 --> 2:44:25.200 I cover everybody, but you you the first guru definitely. 2:44:25.280 --> 2:44:25.560 Wow. 2:44:25.760 --> 2:44:26.600 Oh. Russell called me. 2:44:26.600 --> 2:44:31.760 Buddha now or fifteen years ago? 2:44:32.240 --> 2:44:35.160 Now, okay, yeah, he said, he said, you don't have 2:44:35.200 --> 2:44:38.800 to I have to meditate because I have to meditate. 2:44:38.840 --> 2:44:39.959 I said, you don't have to. He said, you don't 2:44:39.959 --> 2:44:42.200 have to meditate. You just nice. I said, yeah, I 2:44:42.200 --> 2:44:43.160 said okay, cool. 2:44:44.240 --> 2:44:47.480 Well, much success to you, man. I appreciate your energy 2:44:47.520 --> 2:44:51.360 and and and and your your wisdom and your insight. 2:44:51.440 --> 2:44:53.440 Thank you very much, man, Thank you, guys, bless you off. 2:44:54.400 --> 2:44:54.680 Thank you. 2:44:55.240 --> 2:44:58.800 That was a very enlightening and positive. Do you think 2:44:58.879 --> 2:45:01.760 we will just get one person to tell us the 2:45:01.800 --> 2:45:06.359 most debauchery death jam stories of all time he was about. 2:45:06.080 --> 2:45:07.840 To did you notice that he was He was getting 2:45:07.920 --> 2:45:10.440 up to one, and then we changed the subject. He was, yeah, 2:45:10.680 --> 2:45:11.160 I thought he. 2:45:11.160 --> 2:45:14.160 Was gonna there was he he was. 2:45:14.760 --> 2:45:16.240 What he said was like Solomon Moore. It was like 2:45:16.240 --> 2:45:18.880 bla and then someone sets up else. It was like now' 2:45:18.920 --> 2:45:23.760 not yeah, And I have fish for lunch and fish 2:45:23.800 --> 2:45:26.400 for dinner and fish legs. 2:45:27.560 --> 2:45:34.160 On my home ele vegetables smells of rich vegetables. 2:45:34.280 --> 2:45:37.240 I was praying to ask if he remembered the little 2:45:37.240 --> 2:45:41.680 brother period of was that That. 2:45:41.680 --> 2:45:44.200 Was my first time meeting him. That was my first time. 2:45:44.480 --> 2:45:46.200 But I mean, but a lot of what he was saying, 2:45:46.440 --> 2:45:49.039 you know, and and even you know, to back up 2:45:49.040 --> 2:45:52.760 what he was saying, you know, for for all into 2:45:52.800 --> 2:45:54.480 the purposes. I mean, they let us make the album 2:45:54.520 --> 2:45:57.080 we wanted to make. I mean, that album, regardless of 2:45:57.120 --> 2:46:00.120 what it did, you know, financially, uh number for to 2:46:00.160 --> 2:46:03.120 the mental show. You know, that record came straight out 2:46:03.200 --> 2:46:06.160 of our hard drives to the world. And I don't 2:46:06.200 --> 2:46:08.720 know if too many artists who can really say that, 2:46:08.920 --> 2:46:11.360 you know, certainly at that time, you know what I mean, 2:46:12.480 --> 2:46:15.600 you know, we that album came out exactly the way 2:46:15.720 --> 2:46:18.600 we envisioned it and so uh, you know, they were 2:46:18.680 --> 2:46:21.160 always album cover. It's of an album. We had to 2:46:21.240 --> 2:46:23.879 change some of the album cover. But but other than that, 2:46:24.040 --> 2:46:27.320 I mean, yeah, they were very They let us do us, 2:46:27.360 --> 2:46:29.640 you know what I'm saying. So I always be thankful 2:46:29.760 --> 2:46:35.720 to uh, keV and Julie and Craig. I like to 2:46:35.720 --> 2:46:38.200 get on on on the show. I think Julie would 2:46:38.200 --> 2:46:39.800 be real, raight. I think Julie would be the one 2:46:39.800 --> 2:46:42.840 that will be She would she would give it up wrong. 2:46:43.200 --> 2:46:45.280 I don't know everybody else now is like doing yoga 2:46:45.320 --> 2:46:49.119 and ship. I think Julie. I think Julia would go in. 2:46:49.320 --> 2:46:54.280 Did I ask you what you learned? Oh no, Kevin Lyles, 2:46:54.320 --> 2:46:59.039 what I learned? I learned that to me, the most 2:46:59.120 --> 2:47:00.640 the people that are a lot of times that are 2:47:00.720 --> 2:47:03.080 most successful in the business. You know, when he talks 2:47:03.080 --> 2:47:05.800 about just wanting to add value to things, that's something 2:47:05.800 --> 2:47:08.640 that's very amiable. That's something that I've always kind of 2:47:09.360 --> 2:47:11.280 tried to live my life by and that if I 2:47:11.280 --> 2:47:13.680 don't think I can make something better, it doesn't have 2:47:13.680 --> 2:47:17.040 anything to do with the money or you know whatever. 2:47:17.200 --> 2:47:18.720 It's just like, if I don't think I can make 2:47:18.760 --> 2:47:21.760 this better, then your check really don't mean nothing, you 2:47:21.760 --> 2:47:24.320 know what I'm saying, Because if I'm not adding some 2:47:24.440 --> 2:47:26.520 kind of value to it that I know only I 2:47:26.520 --> 2:47:29.800 can add, then you know I'm doing you a disservice 2:47:29.840 --> 2:47:31.560 by taking the money, and I'm just gonna end up 2:47:31.600 --> 2:47:34.080 making us both look bad. So that was something that 2:47:34.120 --> 2:47:37.000 really ranged out to me, and also to just a 2:47:37.080 --> 2:47:39.480 thing of him just kind of not really playing for 2:47:39.480 --> 2:47:42.400 the paper, but just playing for the position, agreeing to say, hey, 2:47:42.520 --> 2:47:45.400 I'll drive Houdini because of what that's going to mean. 2:47:45.520 --> 2:47:47.840 Not necessarily. There may not be a big payoff in 2:47:47.879 --> 2:47:50.360 it for me immediately, but it may pay off for 2:47:50.440 --> 2:47:52.199 me down the line and him even. 2:47:52.400 --> 2:47:55.040 I'm still trying to digest that though you mean what 2:47:55.080 --> 2:47:58.240 you mean in what way? Well, I mean, I had 2:47:58.280 --> 2:48:02.600 no reason to believe that. You know, he's fibbing to me, right. 2:48:02.720 --> 2:48:06.080 But that's a rare character trait to. 2:48:07.680 --> 2:48:12.200 Uh, I don't know, to be so prepared and so 2:48:13.680 --> 2:48:17.679 willing to work and so on time, and so resourceful 2:48:18.879 --> 2:48:23.640 and so ready without a destination or endgame or even 2:48:23.640 --> 2:48:24.160 a dream. 2:48:24.600 --> 2:48:26.720 Well, I think he said one of the things he 2:48:26.760 --> 2:48:28.640 said was that he wanted to be the best at 2:48:28.720 --> 2:48:31.039 whatever he was whatever, It wasn't necessarily like he was 2:48:31.080 --> 2:48:33.120 looking for the touchdown. It was just like, if this 2:48:33.160 --> 2:48:34.800 is who I am, then I'm going to be the 2:48:34.800 --> 2:48:35.520 best at it. 2:48:36.440 --> 2:48:43.800 That's the same because you have aspirations. 2:48:43.879 --> 2:48:47.360 No, it's just somebody else's story, just a journey different. 2:48:47.760 --> 2:48:51.160 Does that make me a bad person? If I see 2:48:51.200 --> 2:48:54.440 a monetary landing at the end of this. 2:48:54.440 --> 2:48:57.040 Leap, it doesn't make you a bad person. But at 2:48:57.080 --> 2:49:00.280 some point it's got to be something else. And I'm 2:49:00.320 --> 2:49:01.920 with you on that. More than money. 2:49:01.959 --> 2:49:03.600 It's got because after a while, it's like. 2:49:03.920 --> 2:49:06.200 Kevin and helping his people and going to more, you know, 2:49:06.240 --> 2:49:08.800 going to Morgan, being in Baltimore, being available, Like what 2:49:08.920 --> 2:49:09.200 is that? 2:49:09.280 --> 2:49:09.520 Money? 2:49:09.520 --> 2:49:10.720 Don't feed your soul. 2:49:10.520 --> 2:49:16.800 But James Brown says Republican James Brown says in soul 2:49:16.879 --> 2:49:18.959 power and deliberated broke. 2:49:19.440 --> 2:49:21.360 Well, you can do both though. That's what Kevin Lowles 2:49:21.440 --> 2:49:23.480 is doing. That's what Richard Branson is doing. 2:49:23.520 --> 2:49:25.840 Yeah, I'm trying to change lives too, but I definitely 2:49:25.840 --> 2:49:35.320 know that ain't nothing going on but the rent. Okay, 2:49:35.760 --> 2:49:37.160 what any other bill? 2:49:38.680 --> 2:49:40.000 What did you learn this episode? 2:49:40.040 --> 2:49:46.720 What I learned to two things? Kevin Leles, Yes, that's 2:49:47.560 --> 2:49:49.840 there is that which goes off what you were saying. 2:49:49.879 --> 2:49:52.480 It's like, it's like you all getting to the room 2:49:52.520 --> 2:49:54.039 for reason, right, you have a talent or you're in 2:49:54.080 --> 2:49:55.560 the room for reason, but you stay in the room 2:49:55.640 --> 2:49:57.400 because you're fun to hang around with. That's like, I 2:49:57.440 --> 2:49:59.400 feel like that's about everything, And that was kind of 2:49:59.400 --> 2:50:01.199 what he was getting. He's like, he's a nice guy 2:50:01.800 --> 2:50:03.640 and like he would do all this ship and do 2:50:03.680 --> 2:50:06.120 all this crazy stuff, but he succeeded at the end 2:50:06.160 --> 2:50:08.640 of the day so profoundly because he's a good dude. 2:50:08.720 --> 2:50:11.080 He's just like a he's not an asshole. And secondly, 2:50:11.200 --> 2:50:13.200 he kept on saying stuff about storytelling, which I thought 2:50:13.280 --> 2:50:15.280 was interesting, which we were disagreeingb on, which is like 2:50:15.320 --> 2:50:17.680 East Coast versus West Coast, Like it wasn't that one 2:50:17.720 --> 2:50:20.120 thing ended and another thing began. It's just it's just 2:50:20.160 --> 2:50:22.680 that's where it was. And because I feel like I 2:50:22.720 --> 2:50:24.480 was thinking about this as he was saying this, it 2:50:24.520 --> 2:50:26.680 is like our life is like that, Like you're in 2:50:26.760 --> 2:50:28.440 we were into the Hamilton thing for a minute, and 2:50:28.440 --> 2:50:29.960 now that's kind of you know, it's not it's still 2:50:30.000 --> 2:50:31.680 this thing, but it goes away and then something else 2:50:31.760 --> 2:50:33.320 kind of pops up. You just kind of follow around 2:50:33.360 --> 2:50:37.480 this thing and just hope that you can attach yourself 2:50:37.480 --> 2:50:38.880 to the pulse of it as long as you can, 2:50:38.959 --> 2:50:39.920 because that's what we're doing. 2:50:39.959 --> 2:50:42.360 That's artistry, whatever we're doing, you know, And that's I 2:50:42.360 --> 2:50:44.360 thought that was. You just keep working, Yeah, you just 2:50:44.480 --> 2:50:44.960 just keep working. 2:50:45.040 --> 2:50:47.640 Career, just have yes, But but our career is based 2:50:47.640 --> 2:50:49.440 on the fucking weirdest thing in the world. 2:50:49.640 --> 2:50:50.120 Like so. 2:50:51.640 --> 2:50:59.280 Would Learne large Margie. 2:50:57.800 --> 2:50:59.240 Large large. 2:51:00.959 --> 2:51:05.520 All right, yeah, no, minus short, I just learned it. 2:51:05.560 --> 2:51:07.640 I guess you really can be a good guy in 2:51:07.680 --> 2:51:10.440 his business. Although I'm still waiting for a bad story 2:51:10.440 --> 2:51:12.880 about Kevin Lows because it's so hard to believe that 2:51:13.040 --> 2:51:15.480 you can be a good cop. Like that's amazing. 2:51:15.600 --> 2:51:20.800 Yeah, yeah, right, like that's amazing. 2:51:20.879 --> 2:51:23.960 And a sea of le Or and Russell Kevin. 2:51:25.120 --> 2:51:26.920 Yeah, I trust me. 2:51:27.000 --> 2:51:31.160 I've heard Russell Simmons name as Hustle Simmons. 2:51:31.720 --> 2:51:36.960 I've heard lee Or. I've never heard I've never heard 2:51:37.080 --> 2:51:42.000 Kevin Lies. I've never heard that. I've never heard that once. 2:51:43.400 --> 2:51:44.720 Bill me. 2:51:45.080 --> 2:51:48.400 Yeah, Yeah, what did I learn, boss, Bill? I didn't 2:51:48.440 --> 2:51:51.800 really learn anything. I just got a lot of things reinforced. 2:51:52.360 --> 2:51:54.640 I really wish this was a conversation that I could 2:51:54.680 --> 2:51:57.160 have been a part of. On May fourth, two thousand 2:51:57.160 --> 2:52:02.560 and two, before I started my first job music industry, Steve, 2:52:02.600 --> 2:52:03.760 you know what you didn't learn? 2:52:04.800 --> 2:52:07.000 Yeah? 2:52:07.080 --> 2:52:08.600 Do you know what you did not learn? 2:52:09.160 --> 2:52:11.240 How to get back into this room. 2:52:12.560 --> 2:52:13.480 I've been getting. 2:52:13.200 --> 2:52:17.440 Text messages all the way from Steve who every time 2:52:17.640 --> 2:52:18.240 here you. 2:52:18.160 --> 2:52:20.320 Left the room in such a glorious moment. 2:52:20.040 --> 2:52:22.400 For you and create places. 2:52:24.200 --> 2:52:25.640 That's what happened when you were you. 2:52:27.240 --> 2:52:27.400 Did? 2:52:27.600 --> 2:52:28.360 What did I not learn? 2:52:28.440 --> 2:52:30.400 Were you at the window like banging on the window. 2:52:30.560 --> 2:52:31.800 I wish I was that close. 2:52:33.320 --> 2:52:36.120 Elevators because what did I not learn? 2:52:36.200 --> 2:52:37.520 Does he manage Billy Joelis? 2:52:40.640 --> 2:52:41.680 That would be your sugar? 2:52:42.280 --> 2:52:42.440 Oh? 2:52:42.520 --> 2:52:45.039 Yeah, yeah, you guys were brothers. 2:52:45.320 --> 2:52:46.760 And then he talked about his diet, and then we 2:52:46.800 --> 2:52:48.640 made fun of your diet, and then you here that 2:52:48.720 --> 2:52:50.600 was fine, and then yeah, and. 2:52:50.600 --> 2:52:51.520 Then he blessed the mirror. 2:52:51.560 --> 2:52:52.240 It was beautiful. 2:52:52.320 --> 2:52:54.160 It was I did learn some things. 2:52:54.240 --> 2:52:55.920 What did you learn? He wrote? 2:52:59.800 --> 2:53:03.000 Well, Well, I want to hear one of these songs 2:53:03.000 --> 2:53:06.879 with with ten turntables, right, I mean I've put it 2:53:06.920 --> 2:53:09.680 together in my Head's five guys right each with two. 2:53:09.760 --> 2:53:14.120 Good math buddies, good math. 2:53:15.320 --> 2:53:15.920 That's one thing. 2:53:16.120 --> 2:53:18.160 That's the one thing, and that we didn't clearly explain 2:53:18.240 --> 2:53:21.640 that when he was talking about that he kept the bass. 2:53:21.680 --> 2:53:25.840 Like the thing of of Baltimore house music was that 2:53:25.879 --> 2:53:28.720 they would turn any song into a four on the 2:53:28.720 --> 2:53:31.320 floor song. So it doesn't matter. It could be like 2:53:31.480 --> 2:53:34.680 Jump by Van Helen. Somebody would spin Jump by Van Helen. 2:53:38.360 --> 2:53:40.440 That somebody scratching and somebody playing a bassline. 2:53:40.520 --> 2:53:40.640 Right. 2:53:40.879 --> 2:53:42.959 Yeah, So he was saying that his job was just 2:53:43.000 --> 2:53:47.680 to keep the steady eight weight. In Chicago, they would 2:53:47.680 --> 2:53:50.200 actually have a guy play the eight weight live in 2:53:50.240 --> 2:53:51.560 the booth. So I don't know if he had an 2:53:51.600 --> 2:53:54.160 eight weight machine or he was just spinning records that 2:53:54.240 --> 2:53:58.959 had a consistent Yeah, but yeah, you turn you turn 2:53:59.160 --> 2:54:00.960 every song into a four on the floor song. 2:54:01.080 --> 2:54:04.080 So are there albums that the listeners can can reference 2:54:04.320 --> 2:54:06.439 to hear ten turntables playing. 2:54:06.440 --> 2:54:08.119 Well, I mean that's a live experience. 2:54:08.320 --> 2:54:09.879 It's more of a live I'm about to say that, like, 2:54:09.959 --> 2:54:10.960 how did that now? 2:54:11.240 --> 2:54:11.400 Right? 2:54:11.520 --> 2:54:12.800 Like now? 2:54:12.920 --> 2:54:15.840 The only person I've seen that that actually played more 2:54:15.879 --> 2:54:21.240 than four at once? Uh, well, yeah, the scratch pristal 2:54:21.320 --> 2:54:25.320 or or the executioners at one point we're doing that. 2:54:25.959 --> 2:54:29.120 The other stuff I learned was, uh, I think this 2:54:29.200 --> 2:54:31.320 must be the only person in the world who took 2:54:31.320 --> 2:54:33.960 an internship when he had all that money, right, Yeah, 2:54:34.440 --> 2:54:37.000 I mean that's that's something special, you know. I mean, 2:54:37.040 --> 2:54:38.960 obviously you take internships. 2:54:38.360 --> 2:54:42.800 To get your fright the internship without a goal at 2:54:42.800 --> 2:54:43.520 the end too. 2:54:44.480 --> 2:54:45.480 I don't believe that part. 2:54:45.520 --> 2:54:48.240 But then didn't take the boss job for two years 2:54:48.280 --> 2:54:49.840 like in ninety Is that humble? 2:54:50.000 --> 2:54:53.360 Right? He's like, I don't know it yet. I would 2:54:53.400 --> 2:54:55.040 do that. I would do that. I would actually you 2:54:55.080 --> 2:54:57.080 say that, but like, no, I wouldn't do that. But 2:54:57.120 --> 2:54:59.640 that's if you know you're not ready, you're not gonna 2:54:59.640 --> 2:55:01.760 put me in the position up. 2:55:02.360 --> 2:55:03.920 I come from a different places, which is like to 2:55:04.000 --> 2:55:08.359 learn on the job someone. 2:55:06.280 --> 2:55:13.240 That you know, you know, the white thing is you're 2:55:13.280 --> 2:55:15.160 my brother. But I'm just saying like, because the thing 2:55:15.240 --> 2:55:17.480 is if I learn on the job and fuck up 2:55:18.400 --> 2:55:23.640 another nigga for twenty years, me like I'm sucking. 2:55:23.440 --> 2:55:26.160 Up for everybody, but also running a label and crashing 2:55:26.160 --> 2:55:28.280 and burning it. It's a big, high profile thing you 2:55:28.280 --> 2:55:29.040 wouldn't want to do. 2:55:29.200 --> 2:55:31.080 So Telecommunications Act, got it. 2:55:32.800 --> 2:55:37.440 We all remember Andrew Rowe and then the whole motown man. Yeah, 2:55:37.560 --> 2:55:41.760 he never lived. I mean, how many streets did we see? 2:55:41.800 --> 2:55:41.840 Of? 2:55:42.800 --> 2:55:44.480 I remember that? I just have one in my head. 2:55:44.480 --> 2:55:47.520 It's one of It's a shot from behind, sitting there 2:55:47.959 --> 2:55:50.600 with a cigar, with a cigar and the sweater draped 2:55:50.640 --> 2:55:52.680 on the back of the chair. I think his name 2:55:52.720 --> 2:55:56.280 on it. That's all I remember of his tenure. Mood Town. 2:55:56.600 --> 2:55:59.640 That's all I remember to no music, Remember, no jam 2:55:59.720 --> 2:55:59.880 was coming. 2:56:00.600 --> 2:56:01.600 I learned more ship? 2:56:01.879 --> 2:56:09.200 All right, say one thing? Did you yourself that it's 2:56:09.240 --> 2:56:10.680 good stuff? What else did you learn, Steve? 2:56:11.920 --> 2:56:15.199 Well, you know that nice guys don't always finish last. 2:56:15.200 --> 2:56:17.040 This guy seems to be the exception to the rule, 2:56:17.400 --> 2:56:20.000 you know, And that's nice to see, if I mean, 2:56:20.080 --> 2:56:21.119 unless he's playing. 2:56:20.920 --> 2:56:27.280 Us ship and I had I did no, No, I don't, 2:56:27.360 --> 2:56:28.039 I don't, did you. 2:56:31.360 --> 2:56:31.680 I don't. 2:56:31.800 --> 2:56:33.240 I think I think he made it on. 2:56:33.200 --> 2:56:37.920 Humility and and and probably honesty and hard work and 2:56:37.959 --> 2:56:41.080 all these really these nice things that we should all 2:56:41.400 --> 2:56:46.040 people remember you when you yes, yes, people remember that ship. 2:56:46.320 --> 2:56:52.039 Well, what else can I learn more than two three 2:56:52.480 --> 2:56:54.480 things in three hours? 2:56:55.160 --> 2:57:01.240 Steve is talking about supreme mana. 2:57:02.120 --> 2:57:02.840 I had an idea. 2:57:03.120 --> 2:57:04.520 I think if you want to get one of these 2:57:04.680 --> 2:57:07.119 real juicy stories to come out about the deaf jam 2:57:07.200 --> 2:57:09.200 years that you're always trying to get. You got to 2:57:09.240 --> 2:57:11.959 find some cleaning lady who used to work there instead 2:57:12.000 --> 2:57:13.760 of one of these executives. 2:57:14.640 --> 2:57:17.160 Lose and just and then you know we interview her. 2:57:17.440 --> 2:57:21.520 Well, look, you guys definitely echoed the same sentiments about 2:57:21.520 --> 2:57:24.680 what I learned. I definitely know that I want to 2:57:24.720 --> 2:57:29.320 hear uh Dame Dash's side of the story. So I'm 2:57:29.320 --> 2:57:32.520 putting this out there in the atmosphere, Dame Dash, We're 2:57:32.560 --> 2:57:35.720 gunning for you and a cleaning lady and the deaf 2:57:35.800 --> 2:57:37.959 jam Flex will not be here, so don't be afraid. 2:57:41.160 --> 2:57:43.039 Shots damn. 2:57:52.760 --> 2:57:59.680 Everything, Okay, all right on belf Fan, Ticcolo, Sugar, Steve, Boss, Bill. 2:58:00.600 --> 2:58:03.119 Like You aka Angry Margarete. 2:58:05.600 --> 2:58:10.240 Unfaiville and even Scott ya Yo and nice staff here 2:58:10.480 --> 2:58:15.120 w n y C this Quest Love Supreme or Pandora, 2:58:15.280 --> 2:58:17.640 we will see you on the flip side. 2:58:18.000 --> 2:58:28.320 Thank you, Quest Love Supreme. 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