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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic

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Speaker 1: episode was produced by the team at Pandora.

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Speaker 2: Hey, what's up y'all? Leten you man Fonte fonticawiciclo and

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Speaker 2: right now, this is yet another Quest Love Supreme classic

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Speaker 2: from February first, twenty seventeen pre Rome when we sat

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Speaker 2: down with hip hop mogul Kevin Loud where he talked

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Speaker 2: about the early Baltimore scene, his rise to president of

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Speaker 2: Deaf Jam, and the value of hard work and also

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Speaker 2: a lot of people didn't know his his very little

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Speaker 2: known role in writing a song called Girl. You know

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Speaker 2: it's true. This is an amazing episode, so listen check

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Speaker 2: it out. Y'all know where to get it. Fontikolo Quest

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Speaker 2: of Supreme Classic Deserve.

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Speaker 3: Supremo, Suprema Roll Call, Suprema su Suprema roll call, Suprema

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Speaker 3: Son Supprea role call Suprema something something.

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Speaker 2: Suprema roll card.

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Speaker 1: I am Quest Loved Girl, Yeah, I am Quest Love Girl.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I am Quesse loved Girl. Yeah. And this is true.

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Speaker 3: No supprima, roll call, Suprema Son Son Suprema Rod.

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Speaker 2: My name is Fante, Yeah, feed me Seymour. Yeah. Shout

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Speaker 2: out to all my Yeah, niggas out and be more.

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Speaker 3: Suprema roll call Suprema Sun Suprema.

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Speaker 4: Roll call.

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Speaker 5: Name is Sugar Yeah with Kevin Lyles. Yeah, Quest loves Suprema. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: don't change that time Rod.

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Speaker 3: Suprema son Son Suprema, roll call Suprema so something Suprema roll.

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Speaker 6: Called pay Bill Yeah, going wild Yeah, Quest love Supreme.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Kevin Loud roll.

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Speaker 3: Call Suprema Suprema, roll call Suprema.

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Speaker 7: So Suprema roll call.

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Speaker 4: It's like yeah, m yeah, I have another ladies. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: these dudes, God damn roll.

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Speaker 3: Supreme Rod Suprema Suprema roll calls.

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Speaker 2: Receive his whack, yeah, says Bob Bill. Yeah yeah I

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Speaker 2: said that ship. Yeah, just keeping it. Roll call Supreme,

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Speaker 2: roll call.

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Speaker 8: My name is Kevin.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I guess I'm here.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I want to tell you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have no fear.

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Speaker 3: Roll call Suprema Suprema, roll call Suprema Suprema.

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Speaker 2: Rolls were.

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Speaker 8: Roll up.

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Speaker 2: Roll Oh man, that's so much just happened.

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Speaker 1: That's first fucking.

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Speaker 2: Comown. Ladies and gentlemen walking.

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Speaker 9: Into the engineer all up in your video.

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Speaker 2: Calm down, come to question, smoking, Come on, ladies.

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Speaker 1: And gentlemen, welcome to another edition, our first February Black

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Speaker 1: History Month Editionbruary to uh question, Love Supreme?

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Speaker 2: Did I say February with a Brew?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, because I say February but without the Brew.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, February. This is weird Wednesday. Those are like

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Speaker 2: names that like it's like a black teenage mother name those.

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Speaker 2: This is all these extra letters in that part of

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Speaker 2: Africa's in February come from.

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Speaker 1: I stole that from the pound cake speech from Bill Cosby.

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Speaker 5: That Bill Cosby, he's a.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: H well you know this this is uh well, it's

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Speaker 1: not necessarily a special addition to quest Love Supreme, but

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Speaker 1: we have a very special guest who, in my opinion, uh,

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Speaker 1: he's the example of excellence and tireless determination and work

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Speaker 1: and long hours. From interning in the mail room to

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Speaker 1: ordering in the lunch room.

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Speaker 2: I feel like Jesse Jackson.

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Speaker 10: In the mail room, to order in the lunch room,

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Speaker 10: to the ball room, to meetings in the late meeting.

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Speaker 2: In fire and iron in the boardroom.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, please give it up for mister Kevin Laws.

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Speaker 2: I welcome and welcome man. Okay.

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Speaker 1: I have to say, first of all, thank you for

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Speaker 1: accepting and clearing your schedule because you are probably the

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Speaker 1: hardest working executive I've ever known.

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Speaker 8: I can tell you no, So I.

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Speaker 2: Do my research.

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Speaker 1: Really, I mean to me, the difference between you and

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Speaker 1: another well known public figure, CEO is that you're not

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Speaker 1: about the spotlight.

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Speaker 2: You're the one that didn't want to be up on

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Speaker 2: all the videos and dance.

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Speaker 1: Can I ask you, once you realize that that was allowed,

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Speaker 1: did you like regret like, well, I'm the one that

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Speaker 1: actually had to hit can't.

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Speaker 8: I can't dance? So I'm good? No, I'm good. I

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Speaker 8: enjoy the culture, I enjoy the opportunity that that that

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Speaker 8: God gives me, and I miss the work. You know,

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Speaker 8: I don't. I think you lead by example. You don't

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Speaker 8: you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, just based on your history and where you

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Speaker 1: know a lot of your lean years, the work that

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Speaker 1: you put in, I have to also say that you

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Speaker 1: to get into that. We're going to get into that.

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Speaker 1: Take a little bro what happy uh February.

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Speaker 4: Happy February.

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Speaker 2: It is black history buff right, Why is it? I

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Speaker 2: thought we were last month?

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Speaker 4: Because because I'm black, you know, real black, so have

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Speaker 4: you know, just you in this room.

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Speaker 2: You blackness gets to claim a whole month.

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Speaker 4: Episode.

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Speaker 2: It is still about Quansas because that was a long

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Speaker 2: time ago.

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Speaker 1: We regret that because I had to look up who

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Speaker 1: uh uh that who's no the person that you doctor

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Speaker 1: York Coolery.

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Speaker 4: No, Miles, what happened on a previous episode was that

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Speaker 4: Fante like to compare the founder of Doctor York and Scamra.

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Speaker 1: That's the that's the rabbit fl down Joe How come

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Speaker 1: I are you late? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I was late.

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Speaker 1: I'm also in my forties. Would have to know about

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I only know just from Twitter that you know.

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Speaker 2: That was how I found out.

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Speaker 1: Once Chuck Woolery agreed with the Fante, then off and

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Speaker 1: we'll be back into Okay, okay, okay, anyway, mister Lyles,

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Speaker 1: we usually start with the timeline of the beginning.

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Speaker 2: So you're you're from.

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Speaker 1: Be more correct, yes, be more you're claiming Baltimore too.

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Speaker 2: But DC in Baltimore, don't.

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Speaker 4: They're very different.

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Speaker 8: Well, cousins their cousins. You know, we're family doesn't always

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Speaker 8: I'm I'm. I got a lot of family in d C.

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Speaker 8: You know, a lot of family and be more. The

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Speaker 8: so you know, I love all of it.

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Speaker 4: You know, you know, I'm surprised you still have your

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Speaker 8: Cut me up and I be more? You know that

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Speaker 8: that's just what it is. And I've been accepted uh

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Speaker 8: so it's like, you know, I'm guess some from New

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Speaker 8: cut me open them be more forever.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know that too. And you that that's a jow,

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Speaker 2: that's a jawn, or that's I.

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Speaker 4: Don't think Baltimore has a jawn. It's just the what

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Speaker 4: do you call the you know what tho?

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Speaker 1: Okay, not that I should hold near and dear what see.

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Speaker 1: actually heard Snoop's character use the word jawn when describing.

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Speaker 2: he was, Yes, he was. Did you say that you

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Speaker 2: were still there, that I was there? Okay? I thought

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Speaker 2: I was because of Baltimore. You were there? I was

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Speaker 8: To you?

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, basically like Snoop use the word jawn.

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Speaker 8: She meant like that's my joint. Yeah, we used that too. Yeah, Yo,

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Speaker 4: Y'all use yo for everything.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was a New York then asn't it.

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Speaker 4: But I appreciate you because you you still go back.

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Speaker 4: You would just at Morgan like writing that recently, Like

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Speaker 8: Yeah. And I try to tell people you nothing without

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Speaker 8: bringing people with you. So I just go as a

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Speaker 8: a blessing to go back all the time. My whole

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, man, you are really giving back, Like I

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Speaker 4: In Baltimore. You are there, oh yeah, yeah and everything.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's my city. You know. One thing when you

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Speaker 8: still talk about my city. Just recently Kean Copperta who

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Speaker 8: get it. I get it. So not to start off

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Speaker 8: in a but you know, I always gotta be spiritual.

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Speaker 8: So he was playing for Son, and you love this

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Speaker 8: quest in a way, but you also it was a

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Speaker 8: sad moment. But playing for Son, made a mistake and

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Speaker 8: thirty nine years old. Past. Now tell that story, because

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Speaker 8: when you talk about Baltimore, you owe it to where

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Speaker 8: you're from, to always go back because something it's going

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Speaker 8: to happen to somebody at some point in time, and

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Speaker 8: people need light, they need something positive, They need something.

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Speaker 8: One of the reasons why you do the show, you

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Speaker 8: And you know when people speak about Baltimore, that's like

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Speaker 8: I guess it was on my heart, so fuck it.

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Speaker 2: So how did you?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 8: All at all that all that, and I have to

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Speaker 8: Yes, mess Martin and all, and these are all people,

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Speaker 8: And I need to go, you not need to take

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Speaker 4: Gentrifying.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, is it going through a

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Speaker 8: No comment? Mm hm m, no comment.

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Speaker 4: Because my apartment was four hundred and eighty dollars.

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Speaker 2: Ain't that nothing.

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Speaker 8: I see? I see Let's take a let's take a

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Speaker 2: Do with you I'm down you joined us, like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I love to see where Baltimore is gone.

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Speaker 4: I got people in Baltimore you can call if it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, don't everybody.

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Speaker 5: Me and Bill go, but we're staying in our harbor.

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Speaker 1: So in your in your where does where does music play?

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Speaker 1: Because before, I mean, most people know you as an executive,

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Speaker 2: And I'm not sure where Virginia and North Carolina falling.

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Speaker 4: I mean the reason that college was the reason go

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Speaker 1: That made it sort of entry in hipster's lives, like

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Speaker 8: Back depends what you saw you want to go. I mean,

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Speaker 8: I love that because that was Baltimore music. But what

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Speaker 8: You know, they played every day, you know, I mean

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Speaker 2: They actually they they would actually let.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, just like today artists, I mean not even today,

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Speaker 8: No, you know what, you know what it was, I

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Speaker 8: used to do shows. We kind of like ran the

441
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 8: city when it came to music, you know what I mean.

442
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 8: So it's like they just loved having us open up.

443
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 8: And then me always treated it like a business, you

444
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 8: know what I mean. It wasn't about me hanging out

445
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 8: with people or just meeting somebody. I wanted to have

446
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 8: a value proposition, so I made sure when artists came

447
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 8: down that they felt like they got to be more love,

448
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 8: you know what I mean. It was something special about

449
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 8: them coming down. So one artists would tell another artist that, yo,

450
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 8: them kids, you got to they could take you where

451
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:47,880
Speaker 8: you got to go. They can get you anything you want,

452
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 8: and they don't. So that was really my mindset.

453
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 2: Who always in New Mark. So who were the other

454
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 2: members of the group.

455
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 8: One of the original founders was DJ Spen. He still

456
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 8: plays house music today shout out to Spin and beat Master.

457
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 8: Moll was a kid named Wayne Mallory. He's married and

458
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 8: in Florida. Junie Jam was one of my neighbors and

459
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 8: his cousin Rod was Rod Rod and KG you know me.

460
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 8: So it was five. It was five of us. And

461
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 8: when it yeah, kind of, it was at the time

462
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,679
Speaker 8: of I I can truly tell you man that you know,

463
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,199
Speaker 8: being from Baltimore, and they had had a certain soundings

464
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 8: before the house music thing was hip hop and they

465
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 8: started to develop back I meant Crystal Waters and the

466
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,239
Speaker 8: Basement Boys and all like. This was all stuff that

467
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 8: we did. I'm coming up. It was a place called

468
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 8: Paradox that people used to go to for for club music.

469
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,719
Speaker 8: But then Frank Ski, which you know, you know, he

470
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 8: used to do this thing called Hammer Jacks. Hammer Jacks

471
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 8: was a club like it's like a house of blues,

472
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 8: but it was in Baltimore. And when I tell you,

473
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 8: we brought you know, and I started interning for Death Jam.

474
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,360
Speaker 8: I brought everybody from DMX man Method Man Blah, blah

475
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 8: blah everybody as even when I became the president, but

476
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 8: everybody would come. We had to do Hamma Jacks. It

477
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 8: was like the spot in the city we had to do. So,

478
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,239
Speaker 8: you know, although I was you know, I grew up

479
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 8: on the house, hip hop was always like part of it,

480
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 8: you know what I mean. So I always try to say, Yo, guys,

481
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 8: we really gotta gotta have that the edge with us,

482
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 8: that the thing with us, you know what I mean.

483
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 8: Even though I did the Girdy Knows true thing, it's

484
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 8: still like, you know, you gotta have that edge, you

485
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 8: know what I mean.

486
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 1: All Right, I want to let's let's bring up the

487
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: elephant in the room right now. Let's kid, all right, well,

488
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: let's play the elephant in the.

489
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 2: Room right now.

490
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 4: Oh, let's do it. So what are you doing that?

491
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 8: Well, a setback and thought about the things we used

492
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 8: to do together. They really meant a lot to me.

493
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 7: Yes, you know it's true.

494
00:25:53,920 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: No, even even though I've heard this on and off

495
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: since I found out that you were the author of

496
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: A Girl, you know it's true. But in preparing for

497
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: this interview and listening to it about a good three times,

498
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: that was a well crafted song.

499
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 8: Thank you.

500
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: Now this is the other thing, Uh, everyone knows about

501
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: my Soul Train addictions. And I happened to be watching

502
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: an eighty six episode of.

503
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 2: Soul Train with Star Point.

504
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: And Don and then we're talking about you know, they

505
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 1: were just making a big thing of Maryland and Baltimore

506
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: and everything, like you guys are the biggest thing to

507
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,479
Speaker 1: come out there, and you know what I mean, they

508
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,360
Speaker 1: were embellisting like, yeah, you know, we can't even walk

509
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: in the malls.

510
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 2: All people asked Bar.

511
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: And then May at the end of the interview they

512
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, you know, we want to develop more

513
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 1: acts and everything. Like they really played it like they

514
00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: were the bell, the ball of Baltimore area. And I mean,

515
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: you know, they had object they had hits. I think

516
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 1: they were the next show He Wants My Body? Or

517
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: what was the joint with Teddy Roley?

518
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 2: I want you? You want you don't?

519
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: You don't, I can't Teddy Roley produced their eighty A joints.

520
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: But my point was that, like, were there being as

521
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: though they were the biggest act of the eighties, Were

522
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: they at a presence at all in.

523
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 2: And were they at all in your radar like during

524
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 2: that time period?

525
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 8: So you. You want to hear the craziest thing. There's

526
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 8: a guy and stopped pointing in Kai, Yeah, Kai, did

527
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 8: I love you?

528
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:43,479
Speaker 2: I wait what?

529
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 8: Seriously he wrote the lyric.

530
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: I love you.

531
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 7: Exclusive exclusive.

532
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: Wow, wait a minute. I I just thought my whole

533
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: point was that, like star Boy was really playing, like yeah,

534
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: we were thinking Baltimore. I didn't even know that y'all

535
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: cross baths.

536
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 8: I was just the did we cross bas Bill Petaway,

537
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 8: who works with Tim land Now, had this let's tell

538
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 8: you a little bit about the record, had this record

539
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 8: this track, and you know, I was a rapper, so

540
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 8: I wouldn't really didn't write the songs, so you know,

541
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 8: I do all that. But he said, yo, we probably

542
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 8: need Ki to help us to say ky. I didn't

543
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 8: really know like that, you know what I mean? So

544
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 8: he said yeah stop. I said, oh, okay, cool, I

545
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 8: think I some hits that this is right there. So

546
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 8: he wrote that part of the record and it's one

547
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 8: of the That's why I say the group I have

548
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 8: to give him pay respect. And the other other group

549
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 8: was rations you know what I mean. They the Drumma,

550
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 8: the drummer from RASCS was my engineer for my first album.

551
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 8: I mean, I actually made an album too, but I

552
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 8: think we can. You can look that up.

553
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 4: You recorded in the Oxen Hill, Maryland right.

554
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 8: Oxen Hill, Maryland Studio Records, yep.

555
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 4: The last record that was made in Auxton Hill, Maryland.

556
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: Last work, all right, I got to do more homework.

557
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 2: I have to do more homework. Yeah, actually.

558
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: We got it, don't We don't have a turn here

559
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: getting on war Yeah, shout out to Ard war So.

560
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 2: Explained to me the journey of Girl you not. It's true.

561
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: For our fans that are.

562
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 2: Born after nineteen it's a lot.

563
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: I mean, this song was bigger than life and basically

564
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: pretty much it was one of the biggest singles of

565
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight for the Aristo label and caused an empire,

566
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: Like just the entire story, Like I want to know

567
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: the journey of the song, but then I just want

568
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: to know what your reaction was that you helped build

569
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: an empire and the fall of that empire and the

570
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: scandal that broke out, And I mean, how many times

571
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: were you like but that's me, Like how many people

572
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: came up to you, Like I thought you were a

573
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: gazillionaire because your song? First of all, why didn't you

574
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: or did you like, how close were you guys to

575
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: actually trying to bring this to a major or take

576
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: it to a major label. And cause it's a well

577
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: crafted song for a local record, it is a very

578
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: well crafted song.

579
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 8: So here's the thing. It was inspired by I Need Love.

580
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 8: I'm taught ell and I I wasn't doing it to

581
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 8: be a big artist like that, to be honest with you,

582
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 8: you know what I mean. I was doing it because

583
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 8: I like.

584
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: On purpose, or you just didn't think, oh, this song

585
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: could actually with one hundred kids through college.

586
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 8: Or honestly, it was just another another record. There's actually

587
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 8: another record I love more than it. But when creating

588
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 8: that record, I knew it was special. I knew it

589
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 8: was special. Every time we would play it, people would

590
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 8: just freak out over and then I knew when we

591
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 8: performed it, it's like the whole crowd saying yeah, I

592
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 8: knew it was special. So we sold like one hundred

593
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 8: thousand copies with Studio records. And I remember I'm home

594
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 8: chilling and with this girl and I said, they turn

595
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 8: the radio off, and she said, that's not the radio.

596
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 8: I said, what do you mean, it's not the radio off?

597
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 8: She said, no, I said, baby, it's the radio. I

598
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 8: don't have a video for the record. She said, I

599
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 8: know that's not you, but that's that's that's your record

600
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 8: right there. And it was really really performing my record.

601
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 8: That's how I found out on TV.

602
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 2: So so Frank Farion for those that don't know, going

603
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 2: in there. All right, So here's the deal.

604
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: So Frank Farian was a producer and a member of

605
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: a seventies funk outfit called Bonie M. Steve's laughing because

606
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: he knows the story I'm gonna tell. Side note, I

607
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: once thought I was hired to do a Bonie M

608
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: record in the late two thousand.

609
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 2: Then fucking around was Bonie James. Now I can't get

610
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 2: rid of him. He's my BF. But at the time

611
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 2: I thought I was doing a Bony M session. I

612
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 2: was like, wait a minute, it smooth jazz, like what.

613
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: Marcus Miller anyway, Yeah he I guess he heard this

614
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: on a German night club and an army base or

615
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: something like.

616
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 8: So. Unbeknownst to me, my label Studio Records, we're getting

617
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 8: calls off all over the world for Grave Nose True

618
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 8: the New Box right, and instead we want Chrysalis Records.

619
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 8: Came and said, we want to pick you guys up.

620
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 8: I didn't. This is I didn't. This is all I

621
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 8: found out afterwards through the court. And he he said, well,

622
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 8: I want money, and so he wanted to cash advance

623
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 8: and Bluebird, whoever the label was, gave him the money.

624
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 8: But Christlis wanted to develop the group, but he didn't

625
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 8: care about that part of it. He cared about getting money,

626
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 8: you know what I mean.

627
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 2: So the label you released it on, was it your label?

628
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 2: Per se?

629
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 8: No? No, no, okay.

630
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 2: So the person who's the head of.

631
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 8: The label at that time was a guy named Franco

632
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 8: something I forgot his name, okay, But he sold it

633
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 8: to Bluebird. Bluebird didn't distribute it through z y X

634
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 8: and the what do you call that? Denilux countries in

635
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 8: Japan and was on some label and France is on

636
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 8: some label. And in the club they were playing my

637
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 8: version of the record. And so C W Shaw, who

638
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 8: was an Army veteran, he was in the Army, he

639
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 8: sends me this long letter. You don't know me. I

640
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 8: actually sung your record and Milli Vanilli's singing, acting like

641
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 8: they singing. He actually I got a letter from C. W. Shaw,

642
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 8: who actually said I'm the voice.

643
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 2: So he's that guy that's singing and rapping.

644
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 8: From here from Houston. He said, I love you guys.

645
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 8: I love your version of it. They came and asked

646
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 8: me to re sing the record. He said, it's not

647
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 8: out yet. And so now this is when the record

648
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 8: is eighteen many copies and I'm working on the second album.

649
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,720
Speaker 8: You know, I did, I did that one girls true,

650
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 8: what's my Diane Warren did blame it on the range.

651
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 8: So we think about what we're gonna do next with

652
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 8: the next album, and then the whole thing thing blew up.

653
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 8: You couldn't have wrote the story, you know what I mean.

654
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 8: You couldn't wrote the characters.

655
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 2: And so Diane Warren did blame it on the rain

656
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 2: on New Walks first.

657
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 8: No no, no, no, no no. I'm saying I met

658
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 8: her because I had Gery norstru which was the first single,

659
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 8: and she did blame it on the ring.

660
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 4: It was only one voice for that was one. I

661
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:01,959
Speaker 4: didn't even realize that that was one man.

662
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 8: No, he did, he did, he did this. It was

663
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 8: really two of them, but I only know the one

664
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 8: uh c W shot so shout out. You know. He

665
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 8: told me about it, but I didn't know what was

666
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 8: going on. I was making money because I sued and

667
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 8: got my publishing and my writer stuff back.

668
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 2: I'm saying, like they didn't even clear it with you.

669
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 8: And I woke up a girl said, that's you on

670
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 8: the radio on the TV. That's how I found out,

671
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 8: and so I had to get a lawyer, like that's

672
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 8: my song. Yeah, hurt beyond. I wasn't. I wasn't mad.

673
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 8: It was that how can so, how can somebody do that? Like?

674
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 8: And it was that that moment that I said, I

675
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 8: don't want to be in the music business. I want

676
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 8: to be in the business of music. It was at

677
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 8: that moment and I changed everything the whole folk.

678
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: So that made you want to get behind the camera,

679
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 1: behind in the boardroom instead of in front of the microphones.

680
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 8: Yes, I never wanted to happen again. I never wanted

681
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 8: to happen to anybody again.

682
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: You know, you wanted to be this person because you

683
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: wanted to protect someone from getting ganked and and well

684
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: from the situation that happened to you.

685
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 8: Yes, yes, it really made me want love the bit

686
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 8: I started to see things differently than I would go

687
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 8: to a show and say, damn, that's a lot of

688
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 8: glows sticks. I wonder how much they cost? Damn the

689
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 8: tickets price is this? And I would start thinking the

690
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 8: business of everything around me. And so that's what made

691
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 8: me go back and said I'm an intern because I

692
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 8: didn't understand enough, you know what I mean?

693
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: How long for a situation like that, especially without the

694
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: internet or something to help rush the process of information?

695
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 1: I mean, how long was it of you crying wolf? Like, wait,

696
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: I wrote this song, I wrote the song and getting

697
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: an answer and eventually getting to Clive Davis or like,

698
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: I can't even believe that they would be so careless

699
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: as to release a song, markt a song, sell the

700
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: song without checking to see, if.

701
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 2: You know, do some research everything.

702
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: I'm clear, it's like with us, like even a minuscule

703
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: sample is a wait that laughing and mirror?

704
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,720
Speaker 2: What's that laughing on that thing? Is that pink Floyd?

705
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: And you know, like you're you gotta So how long

706
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: was it from the moment you heard the record in.

707
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 2: Eighty eight till like they finally did right by you and.

708
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 8: Said, well, I don't think I don't think. I don't

709
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 8: think people ever did did right by say you don't

710
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 8: when you do right. You do right when you have

711
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 8: to sue, that's not doing right, you know what I mean.

712
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 2: So, oh so that was the last resort. Did you say.

713
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 8: That was the first resort?

714
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 2: Oh? You just okay?

715
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 8: I'm phil Asbury. Shout out to phil Asbury, Philadelphia.

716
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 4: Philadelphia International.

717
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 8: Phil Asbury showed them what it is to be you know,

718
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 8: don't don't mess with kids, because I was when I

719
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 8: wrote the record. I think I was sixteen, version was

720
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 8: eighty eighty seven seven. I don't even remember, since you're

721
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 8: right on my record, that was when the album came out.

722
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 8: Oh okay, so I'm not sure. I'm not somewhere around there.

723
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 8: I think I wrote it though in eighty three. Wow,

724
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 8: originally me and my partner and you know, just a

725
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 8: weird time. But I never I didn't. I didn't play

726
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 8: with it though. It wasn't It wasn't. It was something

727
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 8: I felt like, like you said, y' y'all had audacity

728
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 8: to not check do it?

729
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 4: So?

730
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 8: Eighteen million copies?

731
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 2: And then did they try to deny it?

732
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 8: No, you couldn't. No, they just well.

733
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: They said, we live in twenty sixteen, where the lies

734
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: of the truth, we are not sixteen at least right

735
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:52,720
Speaker 1: the lover course, So seventeen seventeen, John seventeen, it's definitely February.

736
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 2: I forgot where we were. No, I'm just saying, you know,

737
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 2: the lie could be the truth.

738
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: And you know, Black Heaven Baltimore says, we stole song

739
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: like we're we're an empire.

740
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 8: It was a little bit and listen at a shout

741
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 8: out to Cloud and it was never I never faulted them.

742
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 8: I always fault at Frank Ferrion. I always faulted uh,

743
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 8: Steve Franco, the owner of Studio Records, because I might

744
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 8: be sitting here as an artist. You know what I mean,

745
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 8: if they would have did the right thing, you know

746
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,919
Speaker 8: what I mean, I could have never did for Gerdyos true,

747
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 8: what Billivy nearly did for Gerdios true. You know what

748
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 8: I mean. I'm not wearing tight pants, i ain't jumping

749
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 8: up like that. I'm not doing this and all that.

750
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 8: Those things that happened, and so I think God made that.

751
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 2: If anything, this is kind of a blessing in disgust.

752
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 8: It was, and I always tell people, if I had

753
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 8: to do it all over again, I would allow it

754
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 8: to happen because a lot of things came up and

755
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 8: I made a lot of money at a young age

756
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 8: off the record, I traveled the world. Off of the record,

757
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 8: I opened up for people who eventually were signed to me.

758
00:39:54,719 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 8: Depth there I developed friendships that to this day we're

759
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 8: raising kids. Now you know what I mean. I've became

760
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 8: the I became an intern and was ab come to

761
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 8: president in seven years of Deftem because I knew how

762
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,760
Speaker 8: artists should be treated because I was one. I traveled,

763
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 8: I did did everything that they could do. So to me,

764
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 8: why would I want to write it differently? I couldn't.

765
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 8: I couldn't imagine doing nothing. Yea, it's still the next

766
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 8: one too, if you want. You know, all right, this

767
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 8: is quest of Supreme.

768
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: We're here with Kevin Lyles and he's telling us the

769
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: story behind the song he co wrote called Girl.

770
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:36,240
Speaker 2: You know it's true?

771
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: So am I to assume that Newmark's kind of imploded

772
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: around this time as well? And nah, so you guys

773
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: still went strong, Like how long did the group last time?

774
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 8: Well, we went from five members down to three members

775
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 8: and it became me and uh Rod and DJ Spin

776
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 8: and we started to do quote unquote more uh Baltimore

777
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 8: music along with hip hop stuff that I like. There's

778
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 8: a record that we put out on we put our

779
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 8: own label because we had a little money then called

780
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 8: Max Brothers Records, And there was a record we put

781
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 8: out called drop Down to Your Knees and a record

782
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 8: we called do You Want To? And they were to

783
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 8: probably the last records that I made, But we kept

784
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 8: going and doing it and then again.

785
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 2: Or what made you?

786
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: Well, what was the deciding factor of this straw that

787
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: broke the camel's back, Like maybe this isn't the route

788
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: to take and I should do something else.

789
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 8: The Milli Vanilla, the middle of Vanilli thing really paid

790
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 8: played a role in it. But then the internship at

791
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 8: Deaf Jam.

792
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so how does that happen?

793
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 1: Like you're at least a a compensated, established figure and

794
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: how did you How did you get in the sights

795
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 1: of Russell Simmons for him to say you're going to

796
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: work in the mail room? Was it just a job

797
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: test for you? Like, no, I'm going to start you

798
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: at the very bottom and literally remember Jack the rapper? Yes,

799
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: remember impact on concerts. I used to go there and

800
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: be the mad rapper. Why I know I want to

801
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: sign me? I sold records I did this, y'all know.

802
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: That's why I was mad, you know. And then I

803
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: ran into uh my mentor, Wes Johnson, God rest his soul.

804
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 8: West says cab man. You know when I was in

805
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 8: Baltimore used to play your records. I said, yeah, West,

806
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 8: I know you used to play my records. You know me?

807
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 8: He said, you know, I'm the senior vice president of

808
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 8: marketing promotions for death Jam. Now I said, get out

809
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 8: of here. I said, well, sign me to death Jam.

810
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 8: He said, I on really sign them in promotions. I said, well,

811
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 8: give me a job. He said no, but you can

812
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 8: in turn. Now what you said, I was making money, okay,

813
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 8: I said, intern in turn deaf Jam intern Cool. So

814
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 8: Wes Johnson said, you know what I'm had this guy inter.

815
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,439
Speaker 8: He said, By the way, we're hiring a guy named

816
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 8: Kevin Mitchell from Boston.

817
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 2: Vin Mitchell. I'm kidding.

818
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 8: This is that Yes, a guy from Boston, and we're

819
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 8: gonna put him in the mid Atlantic. We like him. Uh,

820
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 8: and you can intern for him.

821
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 2: So I said, you were Kevin Mitchell's intern.

822
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 8: Kevin Mitchell's interns Mitchell.

823
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 2: Kevin, all right, I'm thinking the same thing.

824
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: He's gonna let you know, Kevin Mitchell was but for

825
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: the roots if you know, of course, like no roots

826
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: are listening to my radio show, so I will tell

827
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: them about this. When we signed to Geffen, I mean

828
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: basically because.

829
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 2: There was no staff, but they had millions.

830
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: They did some unheard of shit was basically, here, you

831
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: take the credit cards, show us the receipts.

832
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 2: Don't overspend.

833
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: Like again, you know, Dale's record was made for like

834
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: twenty thousand, ciper Seals records made for like sixty thousand.

835
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: They just gave us an open credit card.

836
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: And also like two employees from loud RCA and three

837
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 1: employees from deaf Jet, which were Francesca Spiro, Derreck Jackson,

838
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: and Kevin Mitchell, they would they would uh moonlight uh

839
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: with Geffen.

840
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 2: And my our experience with Kevin was that he was

841
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:23,760
Speaker 2: mister McGoo. He was blind.

842
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 1: He was the cartoon figure that had thick bottle glasses

843
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: when he's driving. One night, he was just asleep at

844
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: the wheel and we were on the other side of

845
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: the road like in dumb and dumber, like he just

846
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: somehow wound up with oncoming traffic at three in the morning.

847
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 2: We woke up like like we were going to die.

848
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: So yes, But Kevin Mitchell's my man besides trying to

849
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: kill us, he was. He's a really great friend and

850
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: still a friend to us now. But you were his intern.

851
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 8: I was Kevin's intern. And it was so fun craziest

852
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 8: thing I've heard in my life. It was you you

853
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 8: love the story. So keV didn't know Baltimore whatever. So

854
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 8: keV h hissed me. He said, Wes West said, you're

855
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 8: gonna help me out. I said, yoh, yeah, whatever you need.

856
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 8: Wes my man. Now again, I'm making money. I'm good.

857
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 8: I ain't worried about it wasn't the money thing. So

858
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 8: Kevin called me and said, Yo, I'm downstairs at V

859
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 8: one o three, but I can't get upstairs. I said,

860
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 8: you can't get upstairs? So what you called me for?

861
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 8: He said, because your man is on Frank.

862
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:24,919
Speaker 2: I said yeah.

863
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 8: I said, so you calling me to get you upstairs

864
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 8: and that's your job and they paying you to do this. Now,

865
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 8: I had a little attitude about it, I said, So

866
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 8: I called Frank Frank yo my man. He one of us.

867
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 8: He good and me and Frank Frank was my wedding.

868
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 8: That's my guy guy. So he he said, keV, I'll

869
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 8: see him whatever you want me to do, blah blah

870
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 8: blah this, And it was that moment where I always

871
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,760
Speaker 8: paid respects to Kevin Mitchell. Kevin got on the conference

872
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 8: because he will let me listen on the conference calls

873
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 8: to learn. Kevin said, my intern is going to run

874
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 8: the company, and y'all gonna act crazy if y'all want,

875
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 8: because the ship he can pull off. Here I'm and

876
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 8: so that's really how he let me. He let me live,

877
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 8: and I did work, but he let me live, you know,

878
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 8: I mean.

879
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna let you know something because most

880
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: of the industry folklore that at least people my age

881
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: know about is the story of Sean Combe's getting on

882
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: a train every day at Howard and going to New

883
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 1: York every day and you.

884
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 2: Know, uptown records blah blah blah blah blah. But I'm

885
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:31,479
Speaker 2: gonna tell you something.

886
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: There's two stories I always heard that set or at

887
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: least set me on the path for how I dealt

888
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: with interns. You don't even know this. You don't even

889
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: know this one was you. You always heard stories of

890
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: James Brown. James Brown used to always tell like all

891
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: his band members, find the the the lowest.

892
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 2: He would call him the coffee boy, the water boy.

893
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: He says, they don't I guess the term intern wasn't

894
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: out back in the fifties or sixties, but James Brown

895
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: used to always say, find the coffee boy, the water boy,

896
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: and make him feel like he's on top of the world,

897
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: because one day, in twelve years, he's.

898
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 2: Going to be signing your checks.

899
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: My my an r Wendy Goldstein told me a story

900
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: where she was like, look, we're gonna have to do

901
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: real grassroots stuff. It's not gonna be glamorous whatever. You're

902
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: going to do these college radio shows and stuff, you know,

903
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: because then we had lofty goals.

904
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 2: It was ninety four.

905
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: You're seeing all these videos and everything, and you're like, well,

906
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: when's our hype William's video moment going to happen, and

907
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: you know, we're like nineteen to a van and all

908
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: that stuff. And she just told me like, look, patients,

909
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: stay the course and whatever you do, always be nice

910
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: to the interns and the lowly people because it's going

911
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: to pay off in ways you don't know. And she

912
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: told me a story. You know, Kevin Long, he wrote

913
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: col you know it's true and still was there. She

914
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: would tell me the stories of like, I guess your

915
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: reputation was that you would show up to work earlier

916
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 1: than anyone.

917
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 2: And lead the latest just to let them know. And

918
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 2: she told me that, and like that stuck with me.

919
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: It's not like I was like WHOA, Okay, well be

920
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: nice to but because it just always stuck with me.

921
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 2: And I'll say to this day, every CEO.

922
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,399
Speaker 1: Or a head of a company that I've ever done

923
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 1: business with, at least in the last ten years between

924
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: two thousand and six and twenty sixteen, and I've done

925
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 1: a lot of business like pay my mom a house

926
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 1: off business, they it all starts with the same story

927
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: that I forget, which is, hey, I don't know you

928
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: don't remember this, but this is one time we were

929
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: at Brown University, and you know, I was interned at

930
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 1: this college media station and I asked you if I.

931
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: Could do an interview.

932
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 1: You gave me like a nine hour interview, only one

933
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: in five minutes and no.

934
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 3: No.

935
00:48:55,600 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 2: And that's because I always remember it really shocked the

936
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 2: host of the podcast. Yeah, well, I'm like, okay, I'm

937
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 2: I'm chatty, but I'm just saying that Heaven.

938
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: Kevin and Wendy and Franchessica and Derek like always tell

939
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: me make sure that when you go to these colleges

940
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: you treat the intern like that stuck with me and

941
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 1: you were like always their example. So I mean you

942
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: entered death Chamman in ninety one, ninety one, so this period.

943
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 2: Dark days Man, not quite. I feel like it was

944
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,720
Speaker 2: the last. I feel like ninety one is the last

945
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 2: good year of the of the old death jam woman.

946
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 3: You know.

947
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 2: Yeah that was not for real, that was like the

948
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 2: classic logo death Jammy. That was the last period.

949
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: So when you were there, what were your duties as intern?

950
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 8: Well, you know, I was still in Baltimore, so was

951
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 8: whatever Kevin Mitchell needed, you know what I mean. And

952
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 8: at that time was Deaf Comedy Jam was coming and

953
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 8: all these things were being created and Fat Farm and all.

954
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: So so Russell's having you work all the products, not

955
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 1: just yeah. Yeah, it was to shut them down, remix

956
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: and make sure these DJs get it.

957
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 8: We used everything for everything. So we used to do

958
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 8: radio programs where we fly people into Deaf Comedy Jam.

959
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 8: So I flopped fire all the program directors, artists, everybody

960
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 8: in promotion. They wanted to close the wear so it

961
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 8: would give them fat fat farm. You know, so we

962
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 8: we did everything. It kept evolving, so it wasn't and

963
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 8: it wasn't work quest. To be honest with you, I

964
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 8: got to wear.

965
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: So you wanted to remember names and shake hands and

966
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: kiss babies.

967
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 8: And I wanted to make people feel like they met me,

968
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 8: not like they shook my hand.

969
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 2: But what was the end game for you?

970
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: Like back in ninety one, if you're like, Okay, I'm

971
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: meeting this figure and.

972
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 2: Da da da da da da da.

973
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: Are you singing down the line like one day I'll

974
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: start my own label or not.

975
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:07,280
Speaker 8: I just I'm that's a different dude. If I'm cooking,

976
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 8: I want to make the best meal. If I'm intern,

977
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 8: I want to be the best intern. If I'm rapping,

978
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 8: I want to be the I just wanted to be

979
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 8: the best. So I never thought about being the president.

980
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 8: Do you think coming from Baltimore that I would be

981
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 8: the president CEO? No, nobody knew me. I don't have

982
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 8: family in any.

983
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: But the thing is that because you were kept because

984
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: that you were Kevin Mitchell's intern in ninety one, and

985
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: byen ninety nine you're the president of the damn label

986
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: that tells me that you had a.

987
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 2: Very marksmanlike determination and ambition.

988
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: I'm sorry where you well, No, no, no no, I don't

989
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 1: mean like a a scandalous way.

990
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 8: I'll give you some point. I never I never wanted

991
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:57,280
Speaker 8: to be president.

992
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 2: I never.

993
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 8: I never knew what it was, to be honest, which

994
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 8: I never didn't know what it was. I thought Russell

995
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 8: would be there forever. I thought thought Leo would be that.

996
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 8: I never knew that was attainable from a kid from me.

997
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 2: But what told you, first of all is that folklore

998
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 2: I heard that was true. Mitchell would say.

999
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: Like you'd show up at eight in the morning like

1000
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: most people get into ten eleven.

1001
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 8: I'm serious.

1002
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: So what tells you I need to be there at

1003
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: eight thirty a m. Every day before everyone gets there.

1004
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 8: I went to school to be an electrical engineer. My

1005
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 8: scholarship was from Nassau. I wasn't playing with.

1006
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 2: From Baltimore CPI.

1007
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 8: No, I was. I was again I was. I guess

1008
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 8: I was a cool NERD you know what I mean.

1009
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,280
Speaker 8: I always wanted to be the best, and I remember

1010
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 8: when I came to death sand was the joke that

1011
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 8: I would say, oh, come in when I came to

1012
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 8: New York, and I'm like, why people come here at

1013
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 8: ten thirty eleven o'clock You missed the radio station is

1014
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 8: on twenty four hours a day, seven days a week.

1015
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 2: Why you what you mean?

1016
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 8: And then by the time you get there, get your coffee,

1017
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 8: head of water cooler. Movement to lunch was there was there.

1018
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:15,280
Speaker 1: A teacher's pet kind of uh uh scarlet letter attached

1019
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 1: to your shoulder, like you know, Kevin, like they us.

1020
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 8: Look. They tried to throw me out the building a

1021
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 8: couple of times. People would tell on me. I had

1022
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 8: people flip over desk in front of me. I had

1023
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 8: somebody tried to get me fired at Howard because I

1024
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 8: left them because they were late and I had to

1025
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 8: get the group to the radio station. So I don't

1026
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 8: play that. I'm about the group doing what they're supposed

1027
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 8: to do. So I left them. So they sent this

1028
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 8: long letter, and so I had to be you know,

1029
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 8: being an engineer, you know you you do weird stuff.

1030
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 8: So I had to write a response to that letter.

1031
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 8: Mine was like this this after every single thing it was,

1032
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 8: you kept notes weirdo, I kept it was weird. Oh shit,

1033
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 8: you know what I mean? But but I tell you,

1034
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 8: but it taught me all the engineering I used to

1035
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 8: manage a telemarketing office of four hundred people three different shifts.

1036
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 8: Taught me how to rate, how to communicate. Engineering taught

1037
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 8: me to be thoughtful, and being an artist that's taught

1038
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 8: taught me how to treat people how you know I

1039
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 8: want to be treated and so I would really work hard.

1040
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 8: Like I said, it wasn't easy because they tried to

1041
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 8: throw me out the building. I remember my first mistake,

1042
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,280
Speaker 8: well not my first stake, well one of the mistakes

1043
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 8: they almost got me looked at crazy. I did a

1044
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 8: show with Biggie Small's method Man, Redman, Onyx and somebody.

1045
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 8: But I did it in a museum doing Howard Homecoming,

1046
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 8: Oh logo on the building, Death College jam on the building.

1047
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 8: Three hundred thousand dollars. Later, after they destroyed the place,

1048
00:54:56,239 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 8: come on and I had to explain why I would

1049
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 8: think doing a show in the museum displaying the rationale.

1050
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 8: So I said, well, first off, nobody would throw a

1051
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 8: show a museum, and I think hip hop is art.

1052
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 8: Hip hop deserves to be in the museum. Secondly, I

1053
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 8: feel like if you shine your logo like a bad

1054
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 8: time people come to it, So I had two thousand

1055
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 8: people out inside and another three thousand people outside. Thirdly,

1056
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 8: I thought by having Biggie Smalls and method Man performed

1057
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 8: the what for the first time had this opportunity that

1058
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 8: I thought it would be a moment. The other time,

1059
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 8: honest never been in the museum, so it was just

1060
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 8: a moment of time. And and Leor said, what did

1061
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 8: you learn? I said, I learned that I would do

1062
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 8: it again, but I would have insurance.

1063
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 4: And what does it feel like twenty years later when

1064
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 4: Picasso Baby comes out and it's.

1065
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 8: Like, I'm only I'm only telling you. Like I, it's like,

1066
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 8: wanted to be That's not to interrupt you. Sorry, I

1067
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 8: never wanted to be president. Matter of fact, in ninety

1068
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 8: six they came to me and said, you know, we

1069
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 8: want to make you president. I said, but I don't

1070
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 8: know the world. I don't I don't how can I

1071
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 8: be president? And I don't know the world. I don't

1072
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 8: know what hip hop looks like in London or in Paris,

1073
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 8: and in Japan, I don't really know what it looks like.

1074
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 8: So I need more time. So then ninety seven came

1075
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 8: around and it was like, yo, you really have to,

1076
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 8: we really want to, you know, And then in ninety

1077
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,240
Speaker 8: eight I said, you know, I'm ready.

1078
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 2: Now, Okay, there's a common denominator for this show.

1079
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: We're still a baby, and I feel like next to

1080
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: Stories of the Tunnel. For New York Rappers, the second

1081
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 1: common denominator is the leor element, either imitating leor or

1082
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:55,760
Speaker 1: kind of.

1083
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 2: What did Lee or leor yeah? Whatever has leor ever

1084
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 2: thrown anything at you?

1085
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 8: I don't believe you saying this question.

1086
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 2: Over here. Question?

1087
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: So of course you you got to work in uh

1088
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: pre yoga, Russell's deaf jam, uh maybe lunch.

1089
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Speaker 2: Throwing lee Or's deaf jam?

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00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 1: What was okay aside from working in Baltimore. I mean,

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00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: I'm sure there were a few times you stepped in

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00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 1: the actual building in New York Elizabeth.

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00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 2: I was there.

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00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 8: I was when Russell used to live on top of

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00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 8: Tower records. You know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: I was, I was.

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00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 8: I was in Baltimore. But I was doing so well

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00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 8: that they would say, come up to New York and

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Speaker 8: help with this program, will help with this, or.

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Speaker 2: See you work outside of your markets.

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00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 8: Yo. I remember Mike Caser love my man. He said, Yo,

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00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 8: I don't have my life, and shit, can you come

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00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 8: up and get the eighteen passed the van and bring

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00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 8: Whodini down? Then you know who don He wasn't no

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00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 8: death Dann but we managed him rush. So I actually

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00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 8: drove up came to pick the group up in and

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00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 8: this is how like again I didn't have to do it,

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00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 8: I'm the intern, but it was a way for me

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00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,439
Speaker 8: to meet who Deini get it in the rush, talk

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00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 8: tough and do something for somebody who was a friend

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00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 8: of mine. Gods, you know what I mean. So I

1112
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 8: did that, you know what I mean? So to me,

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00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 8: it wasn't everything.

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00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 2: So what was what was the building? Like I try

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00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 2: to ask Faith.

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00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: I try to ask Faith Newman this question, and she's

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00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: rather diplomatic and not too descriptive. But I mean for

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00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: a person, and you know this is not this is

1119
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: not about like throwing people under the bus or whatever.

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Speaker 1: But it's just that I've heard so many stories of

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00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: like deaf jam but between eighty five in ninety or

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00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: pre PolyGram so ninety one ninety two, the Christmas parties,

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00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: the you know which which model is now working in

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00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 1: the room, you know, during the whole griff JDL situation

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00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: and all the guards that had to be out front

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00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, and just like, what was it like,

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00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: give me a deaf jam, an old politically incorrect death jam.

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00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 2: Story, like wow that you won't get arrested for a while.

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00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 8: Rock and roll? Man, I mean, I mean, every every

1130
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 8: bit of everything you could imagine. I never really considered it.

1131
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 8: It just it was. It was really. When I tell

1132
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 8: you rock and roll, everything was happening that could ever happen.

1133
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 8: I'm gonna give you a story. I'm just trying to

1134
00:59:58,080 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 8: get you to.

1135
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 2: The story said.

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01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: When when the roots finally got to like the industry,

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01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:10,919
Speaker 1: everything just stopped, Like nineteen ninety five, everybody was like vegetarian.

1138
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 2: Y'all missed the party, and you know the word platonic gotten.

1139
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 1: It's just my paler over there.

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01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 2: You know.

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01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 8: Now listen, all like I say, is this there were

1142
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 8: no rules, You were morally incorrect, period, This was nothing.

1143
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 8: The only thing we would know we had to do

1144
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 8: was work hard. That's what the mindset was. Work harder

1145
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 8: than anybody else. But when I tell you, sodam more,

1146
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 8: I'd have seen so much stuff. And but it's understand

1147
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 8: we were kids too, so we and with money and

1148
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 8: you know, growing and people having people growing up together.

1149
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 8: I got I have friends. So I've been to me

1150
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 8: and Learr's twenty five years now, so he was twenty three, no,

1151
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 8: thirty somewhere around there and I was twenty three.

1152
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 1: Would you think you weren't intimidated about Leor? Because I

1153
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 1: even the even people that love and respect, even people

1154
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 1: that respect Leor, if I first, if I gained the

1155
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 1: trust and first mentioned his name, I mean, at least

1156
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 1: a minuscule eye roll happens like Leor, Like the thing

1157
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: is like people have their Have you dealt with Leor

1158
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: when you guys were Atlantic?

1159
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 8: We did.

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Speaker 2: We had a meeting with him. Uh it was interesting,

1161
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 2: you know, I be real with you like I mean,

1162
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 2: and I hopefully we haven't on the show. He probably

1163
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:47,959
Speaker 2: remember the joint. But for me, my meeting with Leo

1164
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 2: was very much to bring it back to the wire.

1165
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 2: It was the canard that's Omar. That was my moment.

1166
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 2: I was, it was like that's Omar because to me,

1167
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 2: like he was like we were talking about it was

1168
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 2: around the town when our album, I think Mitchell Show

1169
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 2: had just came out, and so we had a meeting

1170
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 2: with him and it was just very impromptble. We were

1171
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 2: just like in the hallway and he was like eating

1172
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 2: a sandwich or something and he was just kind of

1173
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 2: standing up. And you know, again from seeing him like

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01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 2: in documentaries and stuff, he's like a very like intense,

1175
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 2: like he looks like that kind of guy. But then

1176
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 2: I met him and he was just like, oh, yes,

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01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 2: so Kanye Drife slow. I loved that song, like I

1178
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 2: left Kanye and I was just like, oh, yeah, that's

1179
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 2: a cool song. But our album about come out a nigga,

1180
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 2: what You're gonna do? And so it was just you

1181
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 2: know whatever. I remember it was me, it was it

1182
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 2: was all of us. It was three of us, me,

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Speaker 2: Poo and Knife and manager though, and then James Lopez

1184
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 2: who used to be and he was there. Yeah, and

1185
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 2: so we just had that brief interaction and then we

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01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 2: walked off and I remember asking James, I said, man,

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01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 2: what do you think that is what just happened? Yeah,

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01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 2: I was like, what do you think is gonna mean?

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01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 2: He was just like, man, I don't know. And that

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01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 2: was it, you know what I'm saying. But that was

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01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 2: the only real time I had had amusement. But the

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01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 2: times I had just that one instance and then he

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01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 2: came to our show the opening night we did it,

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01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 2: uh at bb King's. Uh, there was like a released

1195
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 2: party or something like that. I can't remember, but we

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01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 2: were on tour when the album just came out, and

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Speaker 2: I mean sold out show. How many minutes? How many

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Speaker 2: minutes did he stay? Yeah, I want to say he

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01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 2: stayed for like a good he stayed. Maybe called like

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01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 2: the opening set. He probably be called like the first

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01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 2: like fifteen to twenty minutes. Wow, I think yeah, because he

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Speaker 2: you want to know my death jam president minute?

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01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 8: I love a minute.

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01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 2: I think. I think jay Z and Beyonce watched one

1205
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 2: verse ship and I turned you know, black man, what happened?

1206
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 2: You said? I can't. Yeah, yeah, they Yeah, they came,

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01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 2: he gave. I want to say, I don't know if

1208
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 2: you were there. I know the time that me and

1209
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 2: Kevin it was when we did the Uh it was

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01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 2: a listening part and it was somewhere downtown. I can't remember,

1211
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 2: but apparently, like I remember, the fire alarms kept going

1212
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 2: off that night and we had to cut it short.

1213
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 2: But Uh, that was the first time that me and

1214
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 2: you had met outside the office, and I remember you

1215
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 2: came up and uh, but yeah, I mean my time

1216
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 2: working with him. Again, this is post ninety. You know,

1217
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 2: everybody you know, stop start doing yoga, stop doing cocing shit.

1218
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 2: So it's different.

1219
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 1: But so wait if you if you're just shooting in

1220
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: the request love Supremum, been doing.

1221
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 2: We're here with Kevin Lownes.

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01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 3: Uh.

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01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 2: We're trying to get uh le Or Cohen stories.

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01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 1: The thing is, I you know, I respect Leor. I know,

1225
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 1: like it's basically I've heard everything about le Or Cohen.

1226
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 1: He's liar Cohen, or he's an asshole, or he's a

1227
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 1: good businessman, or he's honest with you. I mean, I

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01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 1: respect because the people in my circle are so blunt

1229
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 1: and so you know, just outright with what they are,

1230
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 1: like they don't hide the truth or anything.

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01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 2: I meant I can respect that.

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01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 1: So for for you, what was it about lear I mean,

1233
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 1: did Leor intimidate you in the beginning?

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01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 8: Or I always said, man that it just must be

1235
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 8: some brotherly love or such respect. He never and this

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01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 8: might sound weird to you, guys, Learr never yelled at me.

1237
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 7: What did you do to not get from Baltimore?

1238
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 2: Maybe he was?

1239
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 1: And where and be honest with yourself, what was the perception.

1240
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 1: What's the perception of you as you're slowly First of all,

1241
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 1: how long did you intern before they said this guy's

1242
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 1: kind of valuable, let's cut him a check.

1243
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 8: Two years.

1244
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 1: It took two years for them to finally and you

1245
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 1: didn't complain once already?

1246
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 2: No, I didn't. I did like it, really I was.

1247
01:05:57,640 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 8: I was doing it for the experience and be honest

1248
01:05:59,840 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 8: with you.

1249
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 1: So if Onyx is throwing oranges at you because the

1250
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 1: Shifty single didn't get added the MTV or something, you're

1251
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 1: not having a They don't pay me enough for this moment.

1252
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 1: Like I looked at not making fun of you, because.

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01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:17,439
Speaker 8: I looked at it. They were all they were all

1254
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 8: counterparts to me. They were colleagues. I wasn't working for them,

1255
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 8: and I just looked at it differently. It's like, yo,

1256
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 8: I know what you need. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna

1257
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 8: get it done. I'm gonna make sure. Because I was

1258
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 8: like by we, I felt like I'm living. You understand

1259
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 8: some once you're an artist and then you get on

1260
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 8: the other side. I'm really living through all of them.

1261
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 8: So the songs they make when they throwing the guns

1262
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 8: in there and m met A and they read I'm

1263
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 8: living when I say I would be on stage. And

1264
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 8: the joke is even to this day. If you ask

1265
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 8: for what a my artists, they saw, where's Kevin stage?

1266
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 2: Right?

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01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 8: I said, I alway, sudden, YO, tell me what the

1268
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:55,959
Speaker 8: ad lib you need me to make? If they jumped

1269
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 8: in the crowd, I would jump in the crowd after

1270
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 8: I was just it was just a fatherly kind of like, yo,

1271
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 8: we cruise. So I never I never looked at it

1272
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 8: like that. The time I got was kind of funny.

1273
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 8: When a Kevin Mitchell was moving up, you know, he

1274
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 8: did such a great job in the mid Atlantic, moving

1275
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 8: up to Nashville, take Barbido's job right at Mickshew. So

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01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 8: they said, well, Kevin, you know you should come interview

1277
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 8: for the job. I've been interning for two years doing

1278
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 8: the job and y'all want me to come interview for

1279
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 8: the job. Cool. So engineer keV had to come back out.

1280
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 8: So I put my whole pack, I got my briefcases,

1281
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 8: put my suit on, got my whole discography of everything,

1282
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 8: got everything I did. I go up there. I'm sitting

1283
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 8: in the room, so everybody laughing at me.

1284
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 2: Y'all in a suit was in a briefcase.

1285
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 8: I said, I came here to take the job. That's

1286
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 8: what I came here to do. I'm gonna show him

1287
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 8: everything that I've done. They said, well, you know, good interview,

1288
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 8: you know great, and appreciate all the paperwork. One month

1289
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 8: go by, two months go by, three months go by. Uh.

1290
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 8: I'm starting to feel a certain way, right because I

1291
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 8: know it's nobody better than me, especially in that area.

1292
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 8: Nobody's better than me in that Philadelphia, DC, Baltimore, Virginia.

1293
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 8: So then I get a call. I remember, Julie calls

1294
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 8: me and says, Kevin Lowles was that of a marketing gig?

1295
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 8: She said, this is Julie from Deaf jam and West's assistant.

1296
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 8: We we think we want you to We want you

1297
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 8: to come work with us. I said, great, I said.

1298
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 8: She said, well, we want to pay you thirty thousand

1299
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 8: dollars like you realize.

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Speaker 2: Make it okay?

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01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 8: Okay? I said, well, I said, well I can work

1302
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 8: with y'all for that. Julie said, no, you'll work for

1303
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 8: us for that. That's my Julie's story. Yeah, so we

1304
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 8: it's I just never worried about it. Man, What about

1305
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 8: the money? Anything? To me?

1306
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 1: That's interesting to hear because I, at least for me

1307
01:08:54,880 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 1: Le or Lyles, Julie sometimes Mike, Like, all your names

1308
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 1: are synonymous with each other. So you guys all started

1309
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 1: together at death Jam minus Lee or at at in

1310
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 1: lower positions, like when Julie came in?

1311
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:11,599
Speaker 2: When did she.

1312
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:17,680
Speaker 8: Julie was Wes's was Julie was interning and working at Rush.

1313
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 8: Then when when Leo went over to death Jam, Julie

1314
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 8: came was working with Wes assistant Leo a little bit

1315
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 8: and then started working with Wes. Mike Coser was working

1316
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:32,720
Speaker 8: at at Tower Records, and Russell lived on top of Tower.

1317
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 2: Wait, that's how Mike got hurt.

1318
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:38,559
Speaker 8: So he said, yo, you do you do a good

1319
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:39,680
Speaker 8: job with that? You know you want to do?

1320
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 7: Ready all wait a.

1321
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 11: Minute, I'm editing the story a little bit.

1322
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 8: But that's he met him in Tower Records and we

1323
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 8: that's how he started. We read. I remember said I

1324
01:09:56,280 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 8: was in Baltimore in I remember them saying, yo, you're

1325
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 8: gonna do rhythm radio. And I'm like, well, damn, rhythm

1326
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:05,680
Speaker 8: radio is white. Why do you give it to the

1327
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 8: car Why do they give it them? But they put

1328
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 8: guys in the desks and so you're gonna do rhythm radio.

1329
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 8: He became one of the number one rhythm radio you

1330
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 8: know people out there.

1331
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:14,679
Speaker 2: And that's that's my I mean, did he have experience.

1332
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 8: He worked at Tower Records, like research.

1333
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:21,559
Speaker 2: You know, that's the that's that's the truth.

1334
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:24,639
Speaker 8: But yeah, but you gotta understand something with so every

1335
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 8: time Julie went you know me, we were like brother

1336
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 8: and sisters, you know what I mean. So it's like

1337
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 8: that's like fam Like people talk about Lee. I never

1338
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 8: I Leeo's the kind of guy if we went to

1339
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:39,799
Speaker 8: war today, he's gonna be throw me the fucking bullets.

1340
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 8: I don't take offense to that because we're war.

1341
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 2: I understand.

1342
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:45,879
Speaker 8: And it's intense that I understand.

1343
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 2: I don't.

1344
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 8: That's not you know what I mean, Not no idiot,

1345
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 8: I say, that's he just never went there with me.

1346
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 8: And but here's the other thing though, when he looked

1347
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 8: to his right, when he looked stage right, he know

1348
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:00,640
Speaker 8: he ain't worry about that either. That's the different I'm not.

1349
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 8: I'm gonna be there before him. I'm gonna make sure

1350
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 8: everything's right to this day. I'm gonna make sure it's right.

1351
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:06,599
Speaker 2: Russell.

1352
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 8: I'm gonna make sure it's right to this day. They

1353
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 8: changed my life. They change the trajectory of my family,

1354
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:16,559
Speaker 8: They changed they they gave me first generation money something else, baby,

1355
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 8: So I'm not always pay respect.

1356
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:21,360
Speaker 2: To was did you really did you have a relationship

1357
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 2: with Russell?

1358
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 1: And where is Like if you think def Jam, you're

1359
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 1: always gonna think Russell Simmons. But you know, I know

1360
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:33,640
Speaker 1: that in ninety one he had sort of this octopus

1361
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:40,600
Speaker 1: vision of developing the closed line and developing uh, defy

1362
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:43,760
Speaker 1: def comedy Jam was like more than ninety two ninety three, Yeah,

1363
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 1: but still, uh, I know that the higher upset Sony

1364
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 1: were kind of indifferent And then like, can you explain

1365
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:03,799
Speaker 1: the the ral here because the russ associate labels period.

1366
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,639
Speaker 2: Because from my point.

1367
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 1: Of view, as a fan who always read Billboard every

1368
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 1: week and charted stuff, I always loved the fact and

1369
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 1: kind of hated the fact that you guys dep GM

1370
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:19,599
Speaker 1: used to formally flaunt well, you know, we've only been

1371
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 1: out for five years with five artists, and you know

1372
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 1: it's just like ll the slick rick and that's it,

1373
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 1: and then third base and then that's it. And then

1374
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 1: one day in nineteen ninety it was like all these

1375
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 1: Rust associated artists came.

1376
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:36,840
Speaker 2: Through the door Resident Alien and the Dawn. Yeah yeah,

1377
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 2: oh yeah, yeah yeah.

1378
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 1: So with all with suddening, like twelve to thirteen acts

1379
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:46,559
Speaker 1: to deal with and kind of losing their uniqueness, what.

1380
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 2: Do you know what the environment.

1381
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 1: Was with with with Matola and Donnie Iron and the

1382
01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:57,600
Speaker 1: Sony higher ups with def Jam and what caused the

1383
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:02,120
Speaker 1: eventual exodus to PolyGram was next correct, So what was

1384
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:06,679
Speaker 1: that period between ninety one and ninety three where things

1385
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:11,720
Speaker 1: were a little cloudy with what made def Jam wants

1386
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 1: just the powerhouse.

1387
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:13,960
Speaker 2: That it was like?

1388
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 1: What was what was that environment like, especially like with

1389
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 1: you and Russ, were you more a Leor guy or

1390
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 1: a Rust guy?

1391
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:23,559
Speaker 2: Like was Russ the Beatles? And Leor was the Rolling Stones?

1392
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:27,519
Speaker 8: And you had to choose, never had to choose, because

1393
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 8: Russell was a visionary Leor was tasked with. All I

1394
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 8: wanted to do was be the greatest recommend He didn't

1395
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 8: care about fat farm or comedy. That wasn't his thing.

1396
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:42,679
Speaker 8: You know. He really wanted to build a great American

1397
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:45,720
Speaker 8: record company, and at that time it was he got

1398
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:49,639
Speaker 8: the rock. So Russe associated labels quote unquote Russell and Leor.

1399
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:59,520
Speaker 2: That's what I never knew that.

1400
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:02,760
Speaker 8: It was Russell, that the Russell lear So it was

1401
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:05,240
Speaker 8: just before it's time. Now, I'm gonna sound kind of

1402
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 8: nerdy here. Sometimes as visionaries you try to put things

1403
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 8: into uh play that it's not just time. We didn't

1404
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 8: have the infrastructure built to support a quote unquote associated

1405
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 8: label venture. But if you think about four or five

1406
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 8: years later, after the infrastructure stability, people came to work

1407
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:33,640
Speaker 8: and all that kind of stuff, we were able to

1408
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 8: do Rockefeller America and piece it was. It was a

1409
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:39,840
Speaker 8: great vision, but the in too early, too early at

1410
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 8: the time because the infrastructure.

1411
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 2: It gave me hope.

1412
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 8: The infrastructure wasn't right, but it was those days. Man,

1413
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 8: Like I said, everybody want you know, Rick was gone

1414
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 8: and everybody wanted to prove they were the next upgrade

1415
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 8: an R and this one knew this one. But the

1416
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 8: real fact that most of the artists that I've ever

1417
01:14:56,400 --> 01:15:00,200
Speaker 8: signed in my life were referred to me by other artists.

1418
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 7: Hmm, like, wait, we're not going to get there, he

1419
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:05,760
Speaker 7: let me.

1420
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 8: Did you say, I'm saying like that? That was really like,

1421
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 8: if you think about it, to me, a six degrees

1422
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:15,320
Speaker 8: of separation you want to you got E. P and

1423
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:19,240
Speaker 8: D on the road and his kid kurrn uh scratches crates.

1424
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 8: His name is Redman. Yeah, I mean I can you

1425
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 8: know Shaka Zulu, who we both know worked for me,

1426
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 8: was at the college radio station. He had a friend

1427
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 8: called Chris Love of Lover who was on the radio.

1428
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:37,479
Speaker 8: He wanted to you know.

1429
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:39,680
Speaker 2: You lived in Atlanta as well.

1430
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 4: I transferred from Morgan and went to see a three

1431
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:47,599
Speaker 4: for Brad Street where he was. He was against Chris

1432
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 4: Love a Lover and Poon Daddy and La.

1433
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 1: I don't trust nobody that has more than twelve addresses before.

1434
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:56,719
Speaker 2: By the way, I'm going to continue.

1435
01:15:57,439 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 8: So no, it's like, so I always met people through

1436
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 8: other people, and it wasn't until the whole research thing

1437
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 8: came that I started to see things outside of the

1438
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:13,760
Speaker 8: people that I knew. But I knew everybody who knew

1439
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:18,679
Speaker 8: you could touch somebody with any you know. We just uh,

1440
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 8: I can't say. But there's this kid that is going

1441
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:23,519
Speaker 8: up someplace right now and we just did a big

1442
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:28,720
Speaker 8: did a deal with him and it's we heard it.

1443
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 8: Somebody said it was popping and we got in and

1444
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 8: got it, you know first. So it's like it's changing now.

1445
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 8: But I really believe we got to I got to

1446
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:39,679
Speaker 8: kill Johnny Stevens from Holly Suspect rock band, number one

1447
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:43,640
Speaker 8: rock record right now. I believe he's gonna find the

1448
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:46,720
Speaker 8: next star in rock. I believe that we did the

1449
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 8: deal with Young Thug for ys L. I believe that

1450
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:52,960
Speaker 8: Young Thug puts out so much music and everybody wants

1451
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 8: to held track he is.

1452
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:57,880
Speaker 1: And so I just believe you believe you believe in

1453
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:00,920
Speaker 1: connectors and bridges. Yes, yes, that's an important thing.

1454
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 2: It is important.

1455
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 1: So when def jam, what was the what was the

1456
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 1: transferring from leaving Sony to PolyGram?

1457
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:15,080
Speaker 2: Were you at all worried.

1458
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:19,360
Speaker 1: That you guys might lose your cachet or your uniqueness,

1459
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:22,760
Speaker 1: or that it might go under or having to deal

1460
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 1: with like who is who is the Matola in the

1461
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 1: the Donnie iron Or of PolyGram at this point when

1462
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:32,559
Speaker 1: you guys go there in ninety four.

1463
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:41,840
Speaker 8: Mm, Wow, the Hitten distribution was Jim Capeo. I think, uh,

1464
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:45,759
Speaker 8: who is the Wow? I really, honestly, I can't remember.

1465
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 2: Damn is that bad?

1466
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 8: That bad? My mind is that bad?

1467
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 2: Okay?

1468
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:52,120
Speaker 8: I can't remember. Let me tell you what I never

1469
01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 8: you put you put Leo and Russell together. I don't

1470
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 8: see how you feel. So I never didn't. I see.

1471
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:06,640
Speaker 2: How was it that Sony just didn't understand them or No?

1472
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:10,280
Speaker 8: I think it was we were welcome. You can yell

1473
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 8: at people so much to a point where people might

1474
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:19,599
Speaker 8: and you understand, this was early early days of our culture,

1475
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:23,759
Speaker 8: you know. And so you're going up into Tommy's.

1476
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:31,719
Speaker 1: Has there been a Tommy Lee or a moment of

1477
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 1: sandwiches exchanged?

1478
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 8: I never saw. I never saw it. Heard about some conversations,

1479
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 8: you know, I heard Russell flipped over a couple of

1480
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 8: deaths and things like that, but I never never experienced myself.

1481
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:49,360
Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, So I know that at least my perception

1482
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 1: is that in ninety four, the the anchor record of

1483
01:18:56,560 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 1: that year that really established def jam to the next

1484
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 1: decade was Orange's album.

1485
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:05,640
Speaker 8: Now it was written let me tell you really what

1486
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 8: it was, the first record we released from Columbia to

1487
01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 8: program something the PolyGram Domino. It was Saturday Morning, Yeah,

1488
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:20,439
Speaker 8: Ghetto Jam, Ghetto Jam.

1489
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:21,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay.

1490
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:26,720
Speaker 1: So by that point, you know, you were heavy at

1491
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 1: least in your your knowledge of East Coast from you know,

1492
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 1: the Baltimore. I would assume that you were the d

1493
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 1: m V guy, the Tri State area guy you might

1494
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:40,240
Speaker 1: have known down south markets. Did you know West Coast

1495
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:43,280
Speaker 1: at all? Like who was there to really let you

1496
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 1: guys know? Or was it just like the chronics ripple

1497
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 1: was so strong that it was like we gotta grab

1498
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 1: whoever guessed.

1499
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 2: It on Doctor Dre's chronic record and give them a deal. Now, Like.

1500
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:59,760
Speaker 8: I mean, I'm saying I can't put it so you

1501
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 8: can me open them hip hop So n w A,

1502
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 8: you couldn't talk too short that. I'm like, I was fan.

1503
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:09,559
Speaker 8: I was a fan. I'm young still I'm a fan.

1504
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 1: So to me, wait, I just want to say, as

1505
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 1: an East Coaster, I want to meet a person that

1506
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:21,480
Speaker 1: had my my viewpoint on what the West Coast.

1507
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 2: Was because I wasn't getting I wasn't open to West

1508
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 2: Coast hippop.

1509
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 1: I mean until I mean I heard fuck the police,

1510
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:29,760
Speaker 1: and like I gave him. Okay, I'll give you guys

1511
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 1: an exception and ice cue working with the bomb squad,

1512
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 1: But like, for the most part, there's no way you

1513
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 1: could tell me that the West Coast was going to

1514
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:42,240
Speaker 1: outdo the East Coast ever culturally.

1515
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 2: Or sales wise.

1516
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:47,040
Speaker 1: And then suddenly one day it was like New York

1517
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:50,200
Speaker 1: just lost it's it's it's steemed.

1518
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:52,919
Speaker 8: Yeah, but why can't you tell I never looked again.

1519
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:56,439
Speaker 12: Well, I was young and dumb, weirdo, because I looked

1520
01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 12: at it the story that needed to be told needed

1521
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 12: to be told by different tongues, and a Baltimore story

1522
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:04,719
Speaker 12: in New York story.

1523
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:07,840
Speaker 8: There's still a ghetto story in the West everywhere you know,

1524
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:11,000
Speaker 8: never where you go. And so to me, I really

1525
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:14,320
Speaker 8: looked at it as storytelling. Now one was a joke,

1526
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 8: but then there was the police, but they both saying

1527
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:19,080
Speaker 8: kind of the same thing to me. So I really

1528
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:23,479
Speaker 8: looked at it as storytelling. And we went into it

1529
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:28,400
Speaker 8: with def jam West Paul Stewart. UH hired P and

1530
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 8: P hired him. First record I think was this is

1531
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 8: how we do it. But prior to that, this is

1532
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:41,439
Speaker 8: how I learned the West Coast. There was a group

1533
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 8: called a guy called Mellow from Compton and a group

1534
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 8: called South Central Cartel Original. So they said they want

1535
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 8: to do a West Coast promo tour and they loved

1536
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:58,760
Speaker 8: how I put together promo toys. UH and so I

1537
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:02,559
Speaker 8: got in a car. We went from Seattle all the

1538
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:07,440
Speaker 8: way down to San Diego. Over to Phoenix in Colorado.

1539
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 8: You canna tell me nothing about that. I know the

1540
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:13,920
Speaker 8: West Coast, I wrote the Bible of what should be done.

1541
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 8: But I hung. I was in Compton. I remember my

1542
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:17,800
Speaker 8: first I'm gonna tell you what. Sorry, I'm gonna let

1543
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 8: you go. I'm in Compton and it we call but

1544
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:29,559
Speaker 8: you know their version of the bodega. So I'm getting

1545
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:34,040
Speaker 8: some ice tea back then, and bottles started checking. So

1546
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 8: I'm like, who the fuck is back there? What the

1547
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 8: fuck are you doing? I'm mad, Like, yo, stop sucking

1548
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 8: with me. The lady said, in the middle of an earthquake,

1549
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:50,600
Speaker 8: And that was the north Ridge.

1550
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:54,679
Speaker 4: Big So you was in the corner store.

1551
01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 7: I was in Compton. I said, what you know why?

1552
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 2: Because I got them started.

1553
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:13,479
Speaker 1: Damn you know every references commercial goodness.

1554
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 8: I don't know I told that story but that. But

1555
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:17,799
Speaker 8: that's my love, my love for I lived there twice

1556
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:21,719
Speaker 8: in my life, and now I just appreciate storytellers being

1557
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 8: able to tell that, no matter what it was. I

1558
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 8: just appreciated people telling the story.

1559
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:30,479
Speaker 1: So, I mean you had no Internet back then. I

1560
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 1: mean now anyone could have the power. I mean the

1561
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 1: power that you had googling something finding out? Okay, where

1562
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:40,599
Speaker 1: can I, uh you know, where can I promote this

1563
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:43,719
Speaker 1: record or hang these posters or or bring my group

1564
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:45,360
Speaker 1: to meet those things?

1565
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 2: But you you're.

1566
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 1: Saying you're writing the Bible on this, Like how do

1567
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:53,360
Speaker 1: who's giving you your research to know this particular market?

1568
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:55,520
Speaker 1: That particular market, this particular market.

1569
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 8: Like touching the people? You tell you you you find

1570
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 8: a hot girl and the god the hustler, and you

1571
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:05,639
Speaker 8: go and you go to the mall. You say, where

1572
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:06,160
Speaker 8: y'all going to?

1573
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 2: This was real? You generally like people.

1574
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:16,000
Speaker 7: Because because we were to take.

1575
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 1: We were to take a quest Love Supremes. All right,

1576
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:22,960
Speaker 1: Slight Detour Special World twenty.

1577
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:24,759
Speaker 2: Do you like people?

1578
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:29,639
Speaker 1: Oh, sugar Steve, do you like people?

1579
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:31,920
Speaker 5: I love good people. I hate shitheads.

1580
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 2: You're lying out already know you hate people everyone?

1581
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 4: I love people?

1582
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:41,640
Speaker 2: You know I do?

1583
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:42,160
Speaker 4: I love people?

1584
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:46,960
Speaker 2: Bill? Do you believe it? I don't believe anything, she says, Margaret.

1585
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:56,599
Speaker 6: I mean you've lived in too many places to tell perk.

1586
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:59,280
Speaker 1: I think I think unpaid Bill is the only person

1587
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:01,479
Speaker 1: in the circle that actually likes.

1588
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 2: But you know what I think. I mean just from

1589
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:05,840
Speaker 2: my people for the record. Now I'm with you. I

1590
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:08,880
Speaker 2: love you guys, not with you this what's the same

1591
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:12,679
Speaker 2: hell as other people. But no, I think from listening

1592
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:14,760
Speaker 2: to what he's saying, from what he was saying, you

1593
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:17,720
Speaker 2: know when you're talking about how it wasn't about you know,

1594
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:19,600
Speaker 2: I plan to be the president. You just want to

1595
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:23,360
Speaker 2: add value to a situation, that value proposition.

1596
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:23,280
Speaker 8: You know what I mean.

1597
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 2: And so to me, like I'm in that way, like

1598
01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:27,400
Speaker 2: I don't do I like people know, but if you

1599
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:29,880
Speaker 2: give me a job and say do this job, then

1600
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:31,680
Speaker 2: I'll do what I gotta do because I want to

1601
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 2: deliver on the job. So if I got to go

1602
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 2: talk to people, if I can't, just look how many

1603
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:38,839
Speaker 2: followers through this, nigga got like I gotta really actually

1604
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:40,479
Speaker 2: do that, I would do that. So it makes it

1605
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 2: makes sense. My joint is like, all.

1606
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 1: Right, my my goal And this is not like a

1607
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:51,160
Speaker 1: thing where you're singing riches and all that stuff. But

1608
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:55,800
Speaker 1: in general, my thing was always like, yo, I just

1609
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:59,560
Speaker 1: want to take care of my mom.

1610
01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:00,200
Speaker 2: And sugar Steve.

1611
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:06,840
Speaker 5: Reparations for the diabetes.

1612
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 1: No, just take care of my mom. Put out some fires. Yeah,

1613
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:15,200
Speaker 1: and sure Steve put out some fires. Was basically take

1614
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:19,759
Speaker 1: care of If you're black, you're automatically taking carefully seven

1615
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:22,760
Speaker 1: to fourteen people in your life just to put out

1616
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:29,640
Speaker 1: the fire, you know, Like, did I think back in

1617
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:32,800
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight, like okay, let me, oh, I'm gonna

1618
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:34,840
Speaker 1: be on the late night show one time? You know, No,

1619
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:39,200
Speaker 1: hell no, I didn't. Somebody sees that far though, I

1620
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:44,160
Speaker 1: get you not seeing that, but you do kind of

1621
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:48,679
Speaker 1: have this live each day's the fullest connect with people,

1622
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:55,600
Speaker 1: remember names, you know, and never burn a bridge.

1623
01:26:56,880 --> 01:26:58,639
Speaker 2: At like I don't hear.

1624
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:03,160
Speaker 1: Kevin Lowell stories like I hear and I'm gonna get

1625
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:07,679
Speaker 1: to you and dame history, but I never hear Kevin

1626
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:09,080
Speaker 1: Lowle stories like I hear.

1627
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:12,920
Speaker 4: Like is he really that nice as he perceives?

1628
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:14,719
Speaker 2: Not even nice?

1629
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:21,120
Speaker 1: But I mean, like your reputation even even if like

1630
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:24,719
Speaker 1: like there's not even rumors about you doing someone shady

1631
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:25,559
Speaker 1: or any.

1632
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 2: Of those things.

1633
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:31,559
Speaker 8: I tell you, so some people with Here's what I

1634
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:37,040
Speaker 8: get from people. I might not remember everybody's name, but

1635
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:42,200
Speaker 8: obviously it's like like tonight, I have to get something

1636
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:45,160
Speaker 8: from each one of you guys, or why be in

1637
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:49,840
Speaker 8: the room. So I'm meeting you and sharing things, and

1638
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 8: I'm meeting people all over the world but obviously God

1639
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:56,280
Speaker 8: put me in that place for reasons, so I have

1640
01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:58,600
Speaker 8: to share a part of myself. So I wear my

1641
01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:00,960
Speaker 8: heart on my sleeve. When you wear your hard and

1642
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 8: the sleeve, you fear none. You just don't worry about

1643
01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:08,439
Speaker 8: You just make people feel like they met you, not

1644
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:08,800
Speaker 8: like you.

1645
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:10,679
Speaker 2: Just But what about the ship heads.

1646
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:13,480
Speaker 5: You're not talking about the ship heads.

1647
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 8: So so let me tell you about ship I met

1648
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 8: a couple of of ship heads. But but I even

1649
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:25,679
Speaker 8: understand them. Some people that's the only way they could survive.

1650
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 8: And so, and I'm not trying to get philosophical, will

1651
01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 8: be this is what we do. I just, I just

1652
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:36,559
Speaker 8: I really believe that I was put here for a

1653
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:44,200
Speaker 8: greater purpose, and that purpose might Jesus. Jesus walked amongst

1654
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:51,599
Speaker 8: the thieves, the killers, the liars to make away ship

1655
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 8: here's cool' You're not gonna change. You're not gonna change

1656
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:56,479
Speaker 8: who I am. Matter of fact, I'm gonna work on

1657
01:28:56,640 --> 01:29:03,080
Speaker 8: being so nice, so nice that hopefully you understand that

1658
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:05,759
Speaker 8: you don't need to be as much of a ship.

1659
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:10,439
Speaker 2: Hit as well. I wish I knew you. Is that

1660
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:14,120
Speaker 2: like where my first GM audition?

1661
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:17,559
Speaker 6: Anyway, I want to get some motivational speaking from lyles

1662
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:18,640
Speaker 6: like in the morning when awake up.

1663
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:21,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, But seriously, how do you maintain that? Is

1664
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:25,200
Speaker 4: that is that motivation? Motivation? Is medita or was that

1665
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:26,599
Speaker 4: you was it?

1666
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:30,200
Speaker 1: Is this hindsight speaking or is this in nineteen ninety four?

1667
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:33,560
Speaker 1: I'm not well, Okay, Now I want to get to

1668
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:38,360
Speaker 1: the artist you have to deal with because or you

1669
01:29:38,360 --> 01:29:41,000
Speaker 1: got to put on that ship to use right, because

1670
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:45,439
Speaker 1: I'm saying that as an artist, I know the the

1671
01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:48,360
Speaker 1: plight of the artist, and I know the plight of

1672
01:29:48,479 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 1: employee at the label and management company. And some of

1673
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:57,400
Speaker 1: the biggest clashes ever in mankind are are with artists

1674
01:29:57,439 --> 01:30:00,320
Speaker 1: and managers or the other side of the table. So

1675
01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:07,400
Speaker 1: that said, uh, okay, now that def jam is ten

1676
01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:11,160
Speaker 1: years old at least in this timeline, how are the

1677
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:17,400
Speaker 1: older established well minus Ll who actually weird enough, had

1678
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:21,559
Speaker 1: the biggest mark of his career ten years into his career.

1679
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:25,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I assume that missus Smith's surpassed. Mama said,

1680
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:28,600
Speaker 1: knock you out as far as comebacks to concerned. But

1681
01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:31,400
Speaker 1: I mean, at this rate, a lot of your first

1682
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:34,080
Speaker 1: generation acts, you guys were dealing with Slick Rick and

1683
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:36,400
Speaker 1: his his jail incidents.

1684
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:37,639
Speaker 2: First of all, how.

1685
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:44,919
Speaker 1: How did you guys even manage to get eighteen songs

1686
01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:49,400
Speaker 1: out of Slick Rick with six weeks of his life

1687
01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:52,720
Speaker 1: before he's about to do five years or herd?

1688
01:30:52,920 --> 01:30:53,000
Speaker 8: Like?

1689
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:54,519
Speaker 2: What was that? What was that period?

1690
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:59,040
Speaker 8: Like? I was a that was more so like a

1691
01:30:59,240 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 8: intern period. It for me, you know, I was just

1692
01:31:02,160 --> 01:31:07,120
Speaker 8: coming up and the Slick Rick story was. Rick was

1693
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:09,880
Speaker 8: a storyteller, so he just knew he had to do

1694
01:31:10,479 --> 01:31:14,600
Speaker 8: write a lot of records. And it was man. He

1695
01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:16,960
Speaker 8: would no, he would listen when I tell you Rick

1696
01:31:17,439 --> 01:31:20,439
Speaker 8: and Rick is a good, good friend. And I hope

1697
01:31:20,479 --> 01:31:22,320
Speaker 8: I answered the question right because it's I'm gonna go

1698
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:25,719
Speaker 8: outside of Rick. I think my job at that time

1699
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:31,680
Speaker 8: was to preserve legacy with those guys and understand that

1700
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:34,800
Speaker 8: that tired. You put the D in death jam, public enemy,

1701
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:36,960
Speaker 8: you put the E in death jam, Slick Rick, you

1702
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:39,120
Speaker 8: put the F in death jam. You know I had

1703
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:41,760
Speaker 8: to so I treated them like that. I didn't treat

1704
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:44,640
Speaker 8: them like they were old. I didn't treat them like

1705
01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:48,000
Speaker 8: they were yesterday. I treat them like they were important

1706
01:31:48,040 --> 01:31:50,400
Speaker 8: and today. And this is why to this day, you know,

1707
01:31:51,439 --> 01:31:53,160
Speaker 8: Rick and Mandya called me and say hey, we just

1708
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:55,200
Speaker 8: wanted to tell you we love you. Tired to say yo,

1709
01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:59,320
Speaker 8: you know, come me and Simone doing this chucker hit

1710
01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:02,840
Speaker 8: me and say yo podcasts with you know, I still

1711
01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:05,840
Speaker 8: get and and so that moment. And I remember when

1712
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:09,880
Speaker 8: we did behind Bars, he was like, you.

1713
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:13,720
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, war you know that was my ship man.

1714
01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:15,840
Speaker 2: I love that joy. That was.

1715
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:20,880
Speaker 8: How'd y'all do that? How'd y'all make a record? And

1716
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:25,439
Speaker 8: then I did it again with Sean when he was

1717
01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:27,599
Speaker 8: behind Bars. I did his.

1718
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:29,880
Speaker 2: Uh that the Godfather Buried Alive?

1719
01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:31,920
Speaker 8: Yes, I did it.

1720
01:32:32,479 --> 01:32:36,559
Speaker 1: And when they're recording under this dress, like how I'm

1721
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:38,800
Speaker 1: just trying to figure out, how are they able to

1722
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:48,160
Speaker 1: even produce uh results with with with that imaginary guns

1723
01:32:48,160 --> 01:32:49,559
Speaker 1: in their head like they have to.

1724
01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:52,840
Speaker 8: I don't think when you when it's when it's it's

1725
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:55,120
Speaker 8: what you do. It's like saying telling a guy you

1726
01:32:55,160 --> 01:32:58,840
Speaker 8: got to build a house in the set of a year,

1727
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:00,760
Speaker 8: you got to build it in six month. It might

1728
01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:02,519
Speaker 8: be impossibly, he still knows how to build a house.

1729
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:04,360
Speaker 8: And so I think that I think that at the

1730
01:33:04,439 --> 01:33:07,360
Speaker 8: end of the day, these uh, these kids, I think

1731
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:10,679
Speaker 8: that the day they they felt that they gonna decide

1732
01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:12,880
Speaker 8: to feed their family. And when you how you when

1733
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:16,280
Speaker 8: you're working to feed your family, you're not writing records right,

1734
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:18,240
Speaker 8: you're surviving, you know. Well.

1735
01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:21,040
Speaker 1: Speaking of behind Bars, I gotta give a shout out

1736
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:22,560
Speaker 1: to the warrant you remix to.

1737
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:26,360
Speaker 2: This is behind Bars on Quest Love Supreme.

1738
01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:32,439
Speaker 1: We're here with U, super Guru, Kevin question of Supreme.

1739
01:33:32,760 --> 01:33:35,200
Speaker 11: You are bro check this out this warn g you

1740
01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:37,680
Speaker 11: know what I'm saying. Chilling with my man slick Rick,

1741
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:39,559
Speaker 11: you know, and we're gonna give y'all a little tail

1742
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:42,120
Speaker 11: about that jail stuff. You know, So, Rick, why don't

1743
01:33:42,120 --> 01:33:43,160
Speaker 11: you running homie kids?

1744
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:46,360
Speaker 12: Then Islamic colord, I'm innocent, Lord played which he wasn't

1745
01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:48,200
Speaker 12: having anything out and raised the lads.

1746
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:52,639
Speaker 2: Situation seemed mad and Roles, Hey your money?

1747
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:53,160
Speaker 8: What size?

1748
01:33:53,560 --> 01:34:00,600
Speaker 1: Neither pony to one of us sprang up. That was

1749
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:04,880
Speaker 1: behind bars by a slick Rick. That's right, the Warren

1750
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:09,240
Speaker 1: g remix of behind Bars on Questlove Supreme. There's one

1751
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 1: question I want to ask you. So by this point

1752
01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:17,000
Speaker 1: in ninety four, I can say that you're safely in

1753
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:19,200
Speaker 1: the death Sham office not an intern.

1754
01:34:21,160 --> 01:34:22,000
Speaker 2: What was.

1755
01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:28,360
Speaker 1: What was you guys reaction to music.

1756
01:34:28,120 --> 01:34:32,040
Speaker 2: In our message by Public Enemy. Oh my god, because.

1757
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:36,679
Speaker 1: I remember the day. I remember the day that Ursula

1758
01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:42,720
Speaker 1: Smith and well back when Set to Run, you guys

1759
01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:48,200
Speaker 1: had so many Rush associated companies, but when Ursula became

1760
01:34:48,240 --> 01:34:53,719
Speaker 1: her own publicity firm, she was our first, the roots

1761
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:57,200
Speaker 1: first publicist, and I used to just always hang out

1762
01:34:57,240 --> 01:35:00,320
Speaker 1: her office and she called me in says or I

1763
01:35:00,360 --> 01:35:02,160
Speaker 1: got the new Public Enemy album, you want to hear it?

1764
01:35:03,080 --> 01:35:05,200
Speaker 2: And that was.

1765
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:10,360
Speaker 1: That was one of the most coldest days ever because

1766
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:17,160
Speaker 1: because every Public Enemy album from nation to millions, well

1767
01:35:17,200 --> 01:35:23,200
Speaker 1: every there's three right, yeah, before I forgot what even

1768
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:27,000
Speaker 1: with bum rust the show, Like every time I listened

1769
01:35:27,040 --> 01:35:28,640
Speaker 1: to a Public Enemy album for the first time, it

1770
01:35:28,760 --> 01:35:32,000
Speaker 1: was such a life changing moment and for me it

1771
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:33,120
Speaker 1: was like, wow, can.

1772
01:35:32,920 --> 01:35:36,000
Speaker 2: They do this to me for a fifth time? The no,

1773
01:35:36,479 --> 01:35:41,120
Speaker 2: the answer was yes, but it was it was in

1774
01:35:41,160 --> 01:35:43,479
Speaker 2: the wrong way. But in hindsight.

1775
01:35:45,200 --> 01:35:48,200
Speaker 1: They were onto something because they were five years before

1776
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:52,200
Speaker 1: the rage against the machine, you know rock wrap thing.

1777
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:56,320
Speaker 1: But I mean I had the same reaction that had

1778
01:35:56,360 --> 01:36:00,479
Speaker 1: the same open mouth drawl jopped are they allowed to

1779
01:36:00,520 --> 01:36:00,840
Speaker 1: do this?

1780
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:01,160
Speaker 2: Like?

1781
01:36:01,200 --> 01:36:05,760
Speaker 1: It was such a radical album? What were you guys?

1782
01:36:06,280 --> 01:36:07,840
Speaker 1: Please be explained.

1783
01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:09,560
Speaker 2: Chuck's been very honest.

1784
01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:13,240
Speaker 1: About how you guys felt about it when you got

1785
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:13,799
Speaker 1: the record.

1786
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:17,639
Speaker 2: What did y'all talk.

1787
01:36:17,479 --> 01:36:19,000
Speaker 8: About didn't know what to do?

1788
01:36:21,200 --> 01:36:23,280
Speaker 1: Like did Chuck played in front of you guys and

1789
01:36:23,320 --> 01:36:26,040
Speaker 1: looked at your faces or just like didn't know what

1790
01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:34,800
Speaker 1: to do because at least like, okay, figure that I

1791
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:35,479
Speaker 1: can work with that.

1792
01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:37,560
Speaker 8: I don't know what but but but but here's the

1793
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:43,719
Speaker 8: great thing about Gren about deaf Tam. Once you proved yourself,

1794
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:49,720
Speaker 8: who am I to judge? That's where we're going. I

1795
01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:54,360
Speaker 8: don't know what to do, but okay, we're gonna see

1796
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:54,680
Speaker 8: what it is.

1797
01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:57,280
Speaker 1: Well, it was also well not the second the last album,

1798
01:36:57,280 --> 01:37:01,920
Speaker 1: because that was he got game. But well, like there

1799
01:37:01,960 --> 01:37:05,280
Speaker 1: was there was just no precedent for I mean, there

1800
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:08,120
Speaker 1: was the Goats. You know, the Goats were kind of mixing,

1801
01:37:08,840 --> 01:37:10,960
Speaker 1: they were rocking and wrapped and raised against the machine,

1802
01:37:11,080 --> 01:37:16,720
Speaker 1: had one album out beforehand. But did you guys at

1803
01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:22,040
Speaker 1: least have a warning that you know, because by that point,

1804
01:37:22,160 --> 01:37:26,640
Speaker 1: even even though I mean, Wu Tang still wasn't a

1805
01:37:26,720 --> 01:37:31,439
Speaker 1: fully formed figurehead and you know, the group that we

1806
01:37:31,520 --> 01:37:35,960
Speaker 1: will worship, so in my mind, like Public Enemy still

1807
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:39,720
Speaker 1: had run DMC status to that point.

1808
01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:41,800
Speaker 2: In ninety four and then.

1809
01:37:43,400 --> 01:37:46,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe I just felt they were so

1810
01:37:46,680 --> 01:37:49,679
Speaker 1: angry at Were they angry at you guys?

1811
01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:50,439
Speaker 2: Were they angry?

1812
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:53,720
Speaker 8: Was it just like a lot of anger, a lot

1813
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:54,080
Speaker 8: of anger.

1814
01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:56,200
Speaker 2: What was the relationship like?

1815
01:37:56,240 --> 01:38:00,400
Speaker 1: Because I would think that they were your crown jewel,

1816
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:03,439
Speaker 1: like you know this, this is the group that gets

1817
01:38:03,640 --> 01:38:05,840
Speaker 1: the white critics respect, and.

1818
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:09,280
Speaker 8: They always they always would be the crown jewel. But

1819
01:38:09,400 --> 01:38:14,760
Speaker 8: you you gotta understand when when your kids and you

1820
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:18,599
Speaker 8: grow up together, sometimes a big brother little brother thing

1821
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:22,600
Speaker 8: comes into to play. And when you finally got a

1822
01:38:22,600 --> 01:38:24,280
Speaker 8: point where you sold the Left records, you want to

1823
01:38:24,280 --> 01:38:26,840
Speaker 8: do what you want to do too, So a lot

1824
01:38:26,840 --> 01:38:30,360
Speaker 8: of that has to had to you gotta they were

1825
01:38:30,360 --> 01:38:33,280
Speaker 8: young kids, man, you're talking about back then, you know

1826
01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:38,280
Speaker 8: Todd fifteen sixteen, and they going all over the world,

1827
01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:42,240
Speaker 8: you know what I mean, public enemy, you know, people

1828
01:38:42,280 --> 01:38:45,040
Speaker 8: with them, people not with them, people against them, people

1829
01:38:45,080 --> 01:38:48,760
Speaker 8: they fighting wars that you know, Griff, I guess it's

1830
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:52,320
Speaker 8: so much so you had to allow that to happen.

1831
01:38:52,439 --> 01:38:54,760
Speaker 8: And what I I'll see and talk to you about it.

1832
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:58,800
Speaker 8: But when a rock act or a pop act, when

1833
01:38:58,840 --> 01:39:03,200
Speaker 8: they make that album that you don't what's that. We

1834
01:39:03,360 --> 01:39:06,320
Speaker 8: just say it was just a time for them. Republican

1835
01:39:06,680 --> 01:39:10,000
Speaker 8: had that moment again. They were early. I'm with you,

1836
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:12,400
Speaker 8: they were just early and we wasn't built for that.

1837
01:39:13,120 --> 01:39:14,559
Speaker 8: We just wasn't built for it. And that was the

1838
01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:17,400
Speaker 8: and but that was the expression. So who were we

1839
01:39:17,479 --> 01:39:18,000
Speaker 8: to judge?

1840
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:22,800
Speaker 1: Was their disappointment and their end of you guys not

1841
01:39:23,080 --> 01:39:26,719
Speaker 1: finding because even then I just thought like, oh, they're over,

1842
01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:27,680
Speaker 1: they lost.

1843
01:39:27,439 --> 01:39:33,160
Speaker 2: It, and I had no clue that. It was later.

1844
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:36,440
Speaker 1: When I found out, like, oh, because Ursula, their publicists

1845
01:39:36,720 --> 01:39:39,839
Speaker 1: had to figure out how to market them, and somehow

1846
01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:43,120
Speaker 1: she got glowing reviews out of Vibe magazine and the

1847
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:47,040
Speaker 1: well tore roasted them with like a two star review

1848
01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:51,280
Speaker 1: of Rolling Stone. But for the most part, she got

1849
01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:54,880
Speaker 1: a lot of rock alternative press love that I wasn't

1850
01:39:54,920 --> 01:39:59,439
Speaker 1: even expecting them to get. And thus they started slowly

1851
01:39:59,479 --> 01:40:04,559
Speaker 1: creeping in to alternative tours out the norm that lane

1852
01:40:04,600 --> 01:40:07,320
Speaker 1: for them, right, not just rap sures like like oh okay,

1853
01:40:07,360 --> 01:40:10,240
Speaker 1: there are see white people and rockheads that want.

1854
01:40:10,120 --> 01:40:13,800
Speaker 2: To hear bring the noise right this stuff And I didn't.

1855
01:40:13,880 --> 01:40:19,000
Speaker 8: That was that was the message to you. You could

1856
01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:23,599
Speaker 8: in hip hop create many lanes and what they did

1857
01:40:23,840 --> 01:40:27,519
Speaker 8: was you got to think back then, nobody was thinking that,

1858
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:32,439
Speaker 8: even with Beastie being what it was, nobody would ever

1859
01:40:32,479 --> 01:40:34,200
Speaker 8: think Pee would go there. You know what I mean,

1860
01:40:34,200 --> 01:40:35,880
Speaker 8: you got a certain thing from Pe. You know what

1861
01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:38,040
Speaker 8: I mean, nobody ever thought they would go there. But

1862
01:40:38,080 --> 01:40:42,360
Speaker 8: what what I just Chuck was saying, And again I

1863
01:40:42,360 --> 01:40:45,640
Speaker 8: can't quote it because I don't remember that this is

1864
01:40:45,680 --> 01:40:48,679
Speaker 8: where we are. It's just where we are.

1865
01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:53,760
Speaker 1: One of the more amazing comeback stories in my mind

1866
01:40:53,800 --> 01:40:59,720
Speaker 1: for Death Chair was that mister Smith album and I

1867
01:40:59,800 --> 01:41:03,200
Speaker 1: did I personally didn't think he could do it a

1868
01:41:03,240 --> 01:41:08,559
Speaker 1: third time. You know, it's like no, well, it's like yes, yes,

1869
01:41:08,880 --> 01:41:12,600
Speaker 1: initial well his initial l nel l elness run And

1870
01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:15,120
Speaker 1: even though I was a fan of walking with the Panther.

1871
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:17,000
Speaker 2: They were the only one in the room.

1872
01:41:18,479 --> 01:41:20,400
Speaker 1: Look, it came out the last day of school. It

1873
01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:23,519
Speaker 1: was a special home and I graduated. That was my

1874
01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:24,679
Speaker 1: soundtrack of the summer.

1875
01:41:24,840 --> 01:41:25,680
Speaker 2: I like dropping them.

1876
01:41:26,320 --> 01:41:29,880
Speaker 1: And then and then uh, you know, mom said, knock

1877
01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:32,040
Speaker 1: you Out was like the comeback, even though we weren't

1878
01:41:32,040 --> 01:41:32,720
Speaker 1: supposed to call that.

1879
01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:36,440
Speaker 2: And then, you know, once.

1880
01:41:37,920 --> 01:41:42,839
Speaker 1: The thing was I read the source review of fourteen

1881
01:41:42,840 --> 01:41:44,120
Speaker 1: Shots Shots.

1882
01:41:45,360 --> 01:41:47,840
Speaker 8: Which Backseat was on fourteen.

1883
01:41:48,280 --> 01:41:51,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, backseat and how coming? What was the other scene?

1884
01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:55,120
Speaker 1: But not that remix? The remix was not on that record.

1885
01:41:55,120 --> 01:41:57,439
Speaker 1: The remix wasn't had that remix, but on the record.

1886
01:41:57,439 --> 01:42:00,680
Speaker 1: I would have gave it something different and the right

1887
01:42:00,720 --> 01:42:04,400
Speaker 1: I would get a half. But you know, I mean,

1888
01:42:04,439 --> 01:42:06,680
Speaker 1: the legend is that Russell lost his mind at the

1889
01:42:06,720 --> 01:42:10,639
Speaker 1: Source review and words were exchanged and all this stuff.

1890
01:42:10,680 --> 01:42:12,519
Speaker 8: But all that happened pretty much.

1891
01:42:12,520 --> 01:42:18,120
Speaker 1: People counted Ell out, and I guess he wisely just

1892
01:42:18,479 --> 01:42:21,320
Speaker 1: stayed silent for a year, all of ninety four, and

1893
01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:25,160
Speaker 1: then uh, the first we saw him with his new

1894
01:42:25,200 --> 01:42:27,040
Speaker 1: ball head and stuff was in the Flavor in Your

1895
01:42:27,040 --> 01:42:32,200
Speaker 1: Ear remix. So was there was there a marketing plan too.

1896
01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:38,240
Speaker 2: Two bring Ll back? Or was it just like there's some.

1897
01:42:38,240 --> 01:42:42,040
Speaker 1: Spaghetti and throw it on the wall and see what sticks.

1898
01:42:42,040 --> 01:42:45,240
Speaker 8: Todd And if you speak to him, he'll tell you.

1899
01:42:45,360 --> 01:42:50,720
Speaker 2: Let me tell you something phenomenal, phenomenal.

1900
01:42:53,720 --> 01:42:57,639
Speaker 8: He was like his good luck charm and the Smith,

1901
01:42:57,720 --> 01:43:04,960
Speaker 8: mister Smith, you know, Chris. That was the last Todd

1902
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:10,479
Speaker 8: album we worked on together because he left soon after that.

1903
01:43:14,160 --> 01:43:18,719
Speaker 8: You gotta understand something L L Cool day is hot.

1904
01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:21,320
Speaker 8: I usually DJ Man you couldn't tell me now, no,

1905
01:43:21,479 --> 01:43:24,000
Speaker 8: rapp up, I was a fan fan, So you mean

1906
01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:30,640
Speaker 8: to tell me that llll no, that's he's He was

1907
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:35,160
Speaker 8: hakon to me. I wanted to Todd, So there was

1908
01:43:35,200 --> 01:43:39,360
Speaker 8: no way that he was then. He was that. He

1909
01:43:39,479 --> 01:43:41,680
Speaker 8: was always going to be this to me, To me,

1910
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:43,240
Speaker 8: so I treated him like that.

1911
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:46,320
Speaker 1: And you're saying this means you're pointing up on a

1912
01:43:46,360 --> 01:43:46,920
Speaker 1: higher level.

1913
01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:50,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, he God, he was always that to me and

1914
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:56,479
Speaker 8: so to me. I never looked at it as him

1915
01:43:57,040 --> 01:44:00,640
Speaker 8: making a comeback. I thought every album was an experimentation

1916
01:44:00,760 --> 01:44:04,280
Speaker 8: of where he was as an artist and certain things

1917
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:05,960
Speaker 8: he tried. You know what I mean, because even on

1918
01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:08,160
Speaker 8: fourteen Shots, you know, I was trying to say, your

1919
01:44:08,240 --> 01:44:10,320
Speaker 8: back back seat is the record, you guys, is the

1920
01:44:10,400 --> 01:44:13,320
Speaker 8: back seat is the record? I said that Pink Cookie,

1921
01:44:13,560 --> 01:44:15,719
Speaker 8: what we talked talk We gotta have a conversation about.

1922
01:44:15,479 --> 01:44:19,760
Speaker 1: That, that backseat.

1923
01:44:20,200 --> 01:44:25,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, I said, we had that real conversation, but it

1924
01:44:25,200 --> 01:44:28,680
Speaker 8: was I have to be honest with you. That is

1925
01:44:28,720 --> 01:44:34,280
Speaker 8: why today we're still friends, because we went through every

1926
01:44:34,280 --> 01:44:37,280
Speaker 8: moment that you can go through. I remember when when

1927
01:44:37,960 --> 01:44:45,519
Speaker 8: he dropped Headstrong uh record and he uh that was

1928
01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:48,640
Speaker 8: his last number one album, two hundred thousand copies, and

1929
01:44:48,680 --> 01:44:51,680
Speaker 8: he called me and said, you always believed in me.

1930
01:44:52,880 --> 01:44:56,720
Speaker 8: You never stopped believing in me. I'm gonna love you

1931
01:44:56,800 --> 01:45:02,880
Speaker 8: better record, he said, you never stopped until this day.

1932
01:45:02,920 --> 01:45:04,880
Speaker 8: Just so I never looked at it like come back

1933
01:45:04,960 --> 01:45:07,360
Speaker 8: and come that. I never looked because again, these were

1934
01:45:08,040 --> 01:45:11,160
Speaker 8: they were friends too. So what you know now, do

1935
01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:12,680
Speaker 8: we have to go to work? Do we have to

1936
01:45:12,680 --> 01:45:14,960
Speaker 8: do things differently? Do we had to go see different Yeah?

1937
01:45:14,960 --> 01:45:17,519
Speaker 8: We had to do that. But that's what it's all about.

1938
01:45:17,680 --> 01:45:19,519
Speaker 8: To me, That's what evolution is all about. It's not

1939
01:45:19,560 --> 01:45:22,439
Speaker 8: about I'd rather have the hard time. How about this?

1940
01:45:23,439 --> 01:45:25,640
Speaker 8: Let me do that because you can remember me. You

1941
01:45:25,720 --> 01:45:27,920
Speaker 8: gonna know I went there, was with you the whole

1942
01:45:27,960 --> 01:45:30,000
Speaker 8: time and figured it out with you.

1943
01:45:30,479 --> 01:45:35,120
Speaker 1: So for a record like mister Smith, and for the

1944
01:45:35,160 --> 01:45:40,000
Speaker 1: potential singles that it had, there's one important element in

1945
01:45:40,040 --> 01:45:43,640
Speaker 1: the story that we kind of didn't mention, which was

1946
01:45:43,760 --> 01:45:49,639
Speaker 1: the the the uprise and the power that a certain

1947
01:45:49,680 --> 01:45:53,840
Speaker 1: New York radio station had, which was Hot ninety seven.

1948
01:45:54,240 --> 01:45:55,920
Speaker 2: Hope I'm allowed to say that, you know.

1949
01:45:57,520 --> 01:46:01,559
Speaker 1: On my own show, Scott Ye was that allowed?

1950
01:46:01,920 --> 01:46:04,679
Speaker 2: They're good? Okay? Okay? I just need to be technical.

1951
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:12,679
Speaker 1: Not that I would expect you to give me the

1952
01:46:13,720 --> 01:46:21,320
Speaker 1: dirty low down, but I mean, by this point, especially

1953
01:46:21,360 --> 01:46:23,559
Speaker 1: with nineteen ninety six coming up in the race, what's

1954
01:46:23,600 --> 01:46:25,160
Speaker 1: the telecommunications that?

1955
01:46:25,640 --> 01:46:25,840
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1956
01:46:26,160 --> 01:46:36,479
Speaker 10: Tell god, what the fuck? You like a paralegal? You

1957
01:46:37,439 --> 01:46:38,840
Speaker 10: you deserve your own noise?

1958
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:44,680
Speaker 2: Don't for a fact check? That was and then you

1959
01:46:44,720 --> 01:46:49,920
Speaker 2: looked at the fact checker.

1960
01:46:50,520 --> 01:46:55,320
Speaker 1: I know that you guys were playing to win. I

1961
01:46:55,360 --> 01:46:59,840
Speaker 1: know that by this point bad boys really established, trying

1962
01:46:59,880 --> 01:47:02,840
Speaker 1: to established themselves as as the sheriff of the block.

1963
01:47:04,080 --> 01:47:06,840
Speaker 2: Oh god, I didn't even mention death Row.

1964
01:47:08,920 --> 01:47:11,760
Speaker 1: You know, there are other labels that are vying for

1965
01:47:11,800 --> 01:47:15,160
Speaker 1: that number one spot, and we know that. And for

1966
01:47:15,200 --> 01:47:19,559
Speaker 1: the most part, in an hour, you could probably squeeze

1967
01:47:19,600 --> 01:47:23,920
Speaker 1: in six to seven songs. You guys are starting your

1968
01:47:24,000 --> 01:47:28,160
Speaker 1: muscle period at least of you know of about to

1969
01:47:28,880 --> 01:47:30,600
Speaker 1: you know, show what No.

1970
01:47:30,760 --> 01:47:33,760
Speaker 7: But I'm just saying that it's true though.

1971
01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:36,200
Speaker 4: That's a nice way to say it.

1972
01:47:38,200 --> 01:47:41,800
Speaker 1: You know, is this some Mars Levy Part two?

1973
01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:42,360
Speaker 2: Things like.

1974
01:47:43,920 --> 01:47:48,280
Speaker 1: How do you muscle radio to stay on your side?

1975
01:47:48,680 --> 01:47:48,760
Speaker 2: Like?

1976
01:47:48,920 --> 01:47:49,160
Speaker 8: Is it?

1977
01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:49,400
Speaker 2: Like?

1978
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:52,400
Speaker 1: Yo, I'm really feeling that song doing it? Okay, I'm

1979
01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:54,759
Speaker 1: gonna just play it a whole forty two billion times?

1980
01:47:56,439 --> 01:48:00,680
Speaker 1: Or is it a new level of taking hands and

1981
01:48:00,720 --> 01:48:03,759
Speaker 1: kiss some babies that you probably can't technically get into?

1982
01:48:05,240 --> 01:48:07,880
Speaker 2: Like has that ever stopped? U?

1983
01:48:08,200 --> 01:48:12,160
Speaker 8: Let me let me say this to you. And I

1984
01:48:12,160 --> 01:48:16,479
Speaker 8: couldn't say this, not one thing but Hot ninety seven

1985
01:48:17,560 --> 01:48:21,840
Speaker 8: with okay with I'm telling him he's actually about how

1986
01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:23,160
Speaker 8: we talked Hot ninety.

1987
01:48:22,920 --> 01:48:25,320
Speaker 1: Seven right, Well yeah, I mean, well, you know, we

1988
01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:28,000
Speaker 1: live in New York City and Hot ninety seven is

1989
01:48:28,040 --> 01:48:32,960
Speaker 1: the station that if flex is feeling it, then chances.

1990
01:48:32,600 --> 01:48:35,200
Speaker 2: Are that the ripple effect's going to happen.

1991
01:48:35,240 --> 01:48:37,600
Speaker 1: And this guy in Cleveland's going to play it, this

1992
01:48:37,680 --> 01:48:39,200
Speaker 1: station Seattle's going to play it.

1993
01:48:39,520 --> 01:48:40,839
Speaker 2: But the thing is is that.

1994
01:48:43,040 --> 01:48:48,719
Speaker 1: I I wouldn't believe that. Okay, a fan is calling in, Yes,

1995
01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:51,240
Speaker 1: I need to hear doing it by llo Like.

1996
01:48:52,200 --> 01:48:54,639
Speaker 8: Again, let me give you the truth though, So.

1997
01:48:54,920 --> 01:48:57,360
Speaker 1: Like you, you're you're a guy that had hits, You

1998
01:48:57,400 --> 01:49:00,200
Speaker 1: have hits under your belt. How do you make sure

1999
01:49:00,280 --> 01:49:04,080
Speaker 1: those hits keep coming and that they're and I mean,

2000
01:49:04,200 --> 01:49:09,080
Speaker 1: like a song for you, A good day of radio

2001
01:49:09,360 --> 01:49:13,120
Speaker 1: rotation is how many times at its height, how many

2002
01:49:13,160 --> 01:49:16,240
Speaker 1: times do you want your hit song played?

2003
01:49:17,080 --> 01:49:20,400
Speaker 2: A day on one station? Is it thirty five times

2004
01:49:20,400 --> 01:49:20,760
Speaker 2: a day?

2005
01:49:21,120 --> 01:49:24,200
Speaker 8: I don't think any one particular record will play thirty

2006
01:49:24,200 --> 01:49:26,040
Speaker 8: five times a day, because if it did, it would

2007
01:49:26,080 --> 01:49:29,479
Speaker 8: play thirty five times seven whatever. But let me give

2008
01:49:29,479 --> 01:49:30,120
Speaker 8: you this.

2009
01:49:30,040 --> 01:49:33,120
Speaker 1: And I'm not This is not a hostile gotcha question, No,

2010
01:49:33,800 --> 01:49:35,559
Speaker 1: I just I just want to know that the science

2011
01:49:35,680 --> 01:49:42,120
Speaker 1: of how like for me growing up and remembering radio,

2012
01:49:42,240 --> 01:49:44,439
Speaker 1: it was like the DJ wants to be the cool dude,

2013
01:49:44,439 --> 01:49:46,599
Speaker 1: and hey, I'm gonna put you onto this record. Oh,

2014
01:49:46,640 --> 01:49:49,519
Speaker 1: I might play this album cut where Now it's like,

2015
01:49:49,560 --> 01:49:52,639
Speaker 1: I don't think you know you guys, A label would

2016
01:49:52,640 --> 01:49:54,760
Speaker 1: frown on an album cut, Like if it were up

2017
01:49:54,800 --> 01:49:58,479
Speaker 1: to me playing mister Smith, I would play that no airplay,

2018
01:49:58,800 --> 01:50:08,160
Speaker 1: play right airplace you wouldn't play, y'all, No, I see,

2019
01:50:08,200 --> 01:50:11,519
Speaker 1: I would play the Eric Eric Sarmon remix the thing

2020
01:50:12,320 --> 01:50:14,760
Speaker 1: I actually girl, you know it's true and didn't get

2021
01:50:14,840 --> 01:50:16,519
Speaker 1: caught and I don't want to mention it and get

2022
01:50:16,520 --> 01:50:23,240
Speaker 1: a lawsuit on I'm going to say that. Okay, a

2023
01:50:23,320 --> 01:50:30,880
Speaker 1: record like doing it, what are you expecting? Hot ninety seven?

2024
01:50:31,600 --> 01:50:33,080
Speaker 1: How many times do you want to hear it in

2025
01:50:33,120 --> 01:50:35,720
Speaker 1: a twenty four hour period? Heavy rotation I mean, is

2026
01:50:35,760 --> 01:50:36,880
Speaker 1: that eighteen times a day?

2027
01:50:37,760 --> 01:50:40,879
Speaker 8: So I think at that particular time that was probably

2028
01:50:41,160 --> 01:50:43,320
Speaker 8: most probably sixty two times in a week.

2029
01:50:43,800 --> 01:50:45,400
Speaker 2: So if you oh, so you're going by week, you're

2030
01:50:45,400 --> 01:50:45,960
Speaker 2: not going by.

2031
01:50:45,920 --> 01:50:50,639
Speaker 8: Daily, no, because that you because program changed over the weekend.

2032
01:50:50,680 --> 01:50:54,120
Speaker 8: They go to weekend programming. It's it's different stuff. And

2033
01:50:54,160 --> 01:50:55,760
Speaker 8: back then it was call out, you know what I mean?

2034
01:50:55,840 --> 01:50:57,920
Speaker 8: Where if the record called out? And then it still

2035
01:50:57,960 --> 01:51:00,200
Speaker 8: is now and now it's PPM and all these ferent

2036
01:51:00,240 --> 01:51:02,360
Speaker 8: kind of metrics and that are going on. But I

2037
01:51:02,439 --> 01:51:05,920
Speaker 8: have to say what people forgot and what we try

2038
01:51:05,960 --> 01:51:10,160
Speaker 8: to radio was the last stop with us. Okay, we're

2039
01:51:10,160 --> 01:51:13,280
Speaker 8: doing it of ques. If you came to the tunnel

2040
01:51:13,320 --> 01:51:18,479
Speaker 8: with me and heard what cap did God rest his

2041
01:51:18,560 --> 01:51:24,519
Speaker 8: soul in the walking hour? And then what flex did

2042
01:51:25,240 --> 01:51:28,839
Speaker 8: doing it? Drinks got spilled everys soon as that beginning

2043
01:51:28,880 --> 01:51:31,360
Speaker 8: came on, it was and we made all made sure

2044
01:51:31,439 --> 01:51:35,360
Speaker 8: all our records that we went to radio with they

2045
01:51:35,479 --> 01:51:38,760
Speaker 8: had to get. We called it the tunnel tests. If

2046
01:51:38,800 --> 01:51:41,479
Speaker 8: you play between twelve and three o'clock and the tunnel

2047
01:51:43,120 --> 01:51:45,880
Speaker 8: get at me dog. When we dropped out of the door,

2048
01:51:45,880 --> 01:51:49,400
Speaker 8: we knew it wasn't going to be a big radio record,

2049
01:51:49,560 --> 01:51:53,200
Speaker 8: but it lit the tunnel up redmen the method man

2050
01:51:55,720 --> 01:52:01,519
Speaker 8: how no no, yeah, rock water those the two verses

2051
01:52:01,560 --> 01:52:06,000
Speaker 8: and the but you go when you went to the

2052
01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:10,439
Speaker 8: tunnel the place with And so my thing is, so,

2053
01:52:10,479 --> 01:52:11,080
Speaker 8: who do you.

2054
01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:15,200
Speaker 1: Have to convince at whatever radios? And I'm not even

2055
01:52:15,240 --> 01:52:17,200
Speaker 1: gonna sing on Hot ninety seven, who do you have

2056
01:52:17,280 --> 01:52:17,839
Speaker 1: to convince?

2057
01:52:18,479 --> 01:52:18,719
Speaker 2: At?

2058
01:52:18,880 --> 01:52:22,479
Speaker 1: First of all, are you at this point talking to

2059
01:52:22,840 --> 01:52:27,160
Speaker 1: a Clear Channel person who control or who controls one

2060
01:52:27,200 --> 01:52:29,200
Speaker 1: hundred staces across the area.

2061
01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:33,719
Speaker 8: Then back then, so you had individual individual program directors.

2062
01:52:33,720 --> 01:52:35,920
Speaker 8: So back then it was Steve Smith and Tracy Clardy

2063
01:52:35,960 --> 01:52:40,000
Speaker 8: at Hot ninety seven. Today is THEO Mitcham and g

2064
01:52:40,200 --> 01:52:43,519
Speaker 8: where's at power one oh five? Just for New York.

2065
01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:45,120
Speaker 8: I mean there's a lot of but then there's now

2066
01:52:45,120 --> 01:52:49,040
Speaker 8: there's clusters too. So THEA runs a cluster, and there's

2067
01:52:49,320 --> 01:52:51,479
Speaker 8: Doc Winner who runs the urban cluster for all of

2068
01:52:51,920 --> 01:52:58,200
Speaker 8: Clear Channel, and then there's Jay Stevens for Radio one cluster,

2069
01:52:58,520 --> 01:53:03,160
Speaker 8: and then Ken Johnsen and foot one of those down

2070
01:53:03,200 --> 01:53:05,920
Speaker 8: the south whatever. So it's it's clustered now, but back

2071
01:53:05,920 --> 01:53:08,439
Speaker 8: then it was individual program director. Is the music directors?

2072
01:53:08,600 --> 01:53:08,920
Speaker 2: Okay?

2073
01:53:09,000 --> 01:53:13,599
Speaker 1: So I'll say a few episodes back, we have Former

2074
01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:20,080
Speaker 1: President Beat Former Still President and BT.

2075
01:53:18,600 --> 01:53:19,679
Speaker 2: No I'm sorry.

2076
01:53:19,720 --> 01:53:29,400
Speaker 1: It is February and Stephen Hill mentioned one of his

2077
01:53:29,479 --> 01:53:33,280
Speaker 1: regrets when he first worked at MTV was that he

2078
01:53:33,800 --> 01:53:36,679
Speaker 1: probably could have lit a fire under them to really

2079
01:53:36,800 --> 01:53:39,920
Speaker 1: give more support to your all. I need to get

2080
01:53:39,920 --> 01:53:43,800
Speaker 1: by by Method Man and Marriag J Blige and now

2081
01:53:43,800 --> 01:53:45,839
Speaker 1: in my head, I was like, wait, that record was everywhere,

2082
01:53:45,960 --> 01:53:48,280
Speaker 1: So of course he's like nope, He's like, it could

2083
01:53:48,320 --> 01:53:51,719
Speaker 1: have been even stronger. It could have been so much

2084
01:53:51,760 --> 01:53:56,799
Speaker 1: more and bigger and way ubiquitous. So for a record

2085
01:53:57,040 --> 01:54:05,360
Speaker 1: like that, you know, how do you convince? First of all,

2086
01:54:05,360 --> 01:54:08,400
Speaker 1: why would people resist? Why would people have resistance to

2087
01:54:08,439 --> 01:54:12,320
Speaker 1: it because it was just an unorthodox sounding street song.

2088
01:54:12,439 --> 01:54:15,719
Speaker 8: Or I think method Man had more to do why

2089
01:54:15,760 --> 01:54:20,120
Speaker 8: people didn't go immediately on that record.

2090
01:54:20,120 --> 01:54:21,720
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh, this is an instant hit.

2091
01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:24,799
Speaker 8: It was an instant hit. But you got to understand something.

2092
01:54:24,960 --> 01:54:33,160
Speaker 8: So back then people wanted to be safe, and method

2093
01:54:33,200 --> 01:54:34,240
Speaker 8: Man wasn't safe for them.

2094
01:54:34,720 --> 01:54:35,560
Speaker 2: That wasn't safe.

2095
01:54:35,760 --> 01:54:46,320
Speaker 8: The record was safe. Method Man the personality also, yes, yes, yes, listen,

2096
01:54:46,360 --> 01:54:49,920
Speaker 8: I had a record. So I'm gonna give you a

2097
01:54:52,000 --> 01:54:56,320
Speaker 8: uh I would say, what you know, migos right now,

2098
01:54:56,560 --> 01:54:58,600
Speaker 8: record bad bad, and Bougie.

2099
01:54:58,640 --> 01:55:02,440
Speaker 1: About to say, yes, life has changed for you since

2100
01:55:02,480 --> 01:55:07,720
Speaker 1: Donald Glover a long time ago during the one or

2101
01:55:07,720 --> 01:55:11,040
Speaker 1: two back gave a shout out now, shout out.

2102
01:55:10,920 --> 01:55:19,040
Speaker 8: To Donald Glover. G So we couldn't get migos on

2103
01:55:19,600 --> 01:55:20,320
Speaker 8: late night TV.

2104
01:55:21,160 --> 01:55:26,200
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, bro, I'll talk to you about that.

2105
01:55:26,240 --> 01:55:29,560
Speaker 8: But we couldn't. We couldn't.

2106
01:55:29,640 --> 01:55:30,280
Speaker 2: I would love them.

2107
01:55:30,520 --> 01:55:36,240
Speaker 8: Magazines couldn't get certain things, and so the group was like,

2108
01:55:36,240 --> 01:55:38,920
Speaker 8: well why can't, why can't we? And then a moment

2109
01:55:38,960 --> 01:55:43,800
Speaker 8: happened and now everybody fighting over everybody, And so I

2110
01:55:43,840 --> 01:55:49,760
Speaker 8: can only say this to you to say Radio didn't

2111
01:55:49,800 --> 01:55:52,640
Speaker 8: see them. There's a club group. You know. Radio didn't

2112
01:55:52,640 --> 01:55:55,320
Speaker 8: see them a certain way. TV didn't see him a

2113
01:55:55,320 --> 01:55:57,920
Speaker 8: certain way. And you gotta think about method man.

2114
01:56:00,120 --> 01:56:04,040
Speaker 4: At that time, he was kind of dirty looking.

2115
01:56:04,400 --> 01:56:05,960
Speaker 8: He started to cook. That was the moment we started

2116
01:56:05,960 --> 01:56:06,520
Speaker 8: to clean them up.

2117
01:56:07,120 --> 01:56:09,640
Speaker 2: I thought he was the accessible.

2118
01:56:09,320 --> 01:56:11,080
Speaker 4: But can I just say, just for the record, somebody

2119
01:56:11,240 --> 01:56:14,200
Speaker 4: pred told me once that the Roots didn't have enough personality,

2120
01:56:14,200 --> 01:56:15,960
Speaker 4: Like if you really think that is not like that?

2121
01:56:16,400 --> 01:56:17,960
Speaker 4: It's like really, And I was like, what are you

2122
01:56:18,040 --> 01:56:23,440
Speaker 4: talking about that. I told you that, like what are

2123
01:56:23,480 --> 01:56:25,959
Speaker 4: you talking about? But does this and you'd be surprised

2124
01:56:25,960 --> 01:56:27,080
Speaker 4: that the whole personality thing.

2125
01:56:27,040 --> 01:56:31,520
Speaker 1: Just well, that's the thing, like what really determines a hit?

2126
01:56:31,840 --> 01:56:35,560
Speaker 1: Like can we because you know, I came from an

2127
01:56:35,600 --> 01:56:38,320
Speaker 1: era where it was like, hey, if we just get

2128
01:56:38,360 --> 01:56:41,920
Speaker 1: somebody sing some R and b H, you guys are

2129
01:56:41,920 --> 01:56:45,880
Speaker 1: going to have a hit. And that's not necessarily the case.

2130
01:56:46,280 --> 01:56:49,760
Speaker 1: And then you know it's like if you fall into

2131
01:56:50,080 --> 01:56:51,200
Speaker 1: a nepotism loop.

2132
01:56:52,360 --> 01:56:53,720
Speaker 2: Okay, let's take Foxy.

2133
01:56:53,400 --> 01:57:01,040
Speaker 1: Brownsment I shot you was her first appearance or was it?

2134
01:57:01,080 --> 01:57:05,280
Speaker 2: Ain't? No, Like no, got shot you? Was not anything five.

2135
01:57:05,360 --> 01:57:07,480
Speaker 8: I think I think that shot to be honest with you,

2136
01:57:07,560 --> 01:57:12,680
Speaker 8: I think her first appearance was I shot you and

2137
01:57:12,720 --> 01:57:15,360
Speaker 8: then it was ain't. No. It's twenty years ago, so it.

2138
01:57:15,320 --> 01:57:18,080
Speaker 1: Would have been would have been a hard sale for

2139
01:57:18,160 --> 01:57:21,800
Speaker 1: you guys to push got to get you home or

2140
01:57:21,960 --> 01:57:25,240
Speaker 1: or uh uh uh, I'll be good, I'll be the

2141
01:57:26,440 --> 01:57:30,160
Speaker 1: angel right. Would have been harder for you guys to

2142
01:57:30,600 --> 01:57:36,560
Speaker 1: promote her had she not had the nepotism association of

2143
01:57:36,880 --> 01:57:40,680
Speaker 1: being on a Posse cut, doing first, doing a good

2144
01:57:40,760 --> 01:57:42,520
Speaker 1: job on a Possey cut. But I don't even think

2145
01:57:42,960 --> 01:57:45,600
Speaker 1: doing a good job or doing a bad job even

2146
01:57:45,640 --> 01:57:50,280
Speaker 1: matters today in two thousand and six times, But no,

2147
01:57:50,360 --> 01:57:53,720
Speaker 1: back then, it was like, oh shit, she right and

2148
01:57:53,760 --> 01:57:56,879
Speaker 1: she looked good. So this is a can't lose situation,

2149
01:57:57,520 --> 01:58:01,000
Speaker 1: like to break out an artist of that level? Was

2150
01:58:01,040 --> 01:58:03,920
Speaker 1: it a hard cell? Like do you have to have

2151
01:58:04,880 --> 01:58:10,200
Speaker 1: pinpoint board and whiteboard and do all these like mathematic

2152
01:58:10,440 --> 01:58:14,600
Speaker 1: theories for radio programmers to see your vision on a

2153
01:58:14,640 --> 01:58:17,800
Speaker 1: Foxy Brown or a job someone to unprove it.

2154
01:58:17,840 --> 01:58:24,320
Speaker 8: So it's okay. So our secret sauce was we never

2155
01:58:24,440 --> 01:58:27,880
Speaker 8: worked just the record. We always believed we were working

2156
01:58:27,880 --> 01:58:35,080
Speaker 8: a brand. So Foxy wasn't about what was the record, uh,

2157
01:58:35,600 --> 01:58:39,120
Speaker 8: the big record get your Home? It wasn't just get

2158
01:58:39,160 --> 01:58:41,120
Speaker 8: you home. It was about as much as get you

2159
01:58:41,160 --> 01:58:44,160
Speaker 8: home as a shatcha. It was both. It was the

2160
01:58:44,200 --> 01:58:46,680
Speaker 8: same amount of effort because we were building a brand,

2161
01:58:47,120 --> 01:58:50,040
Speaker 8: and in building a brand you gotta lay a solid foundation.

2162
01:58:50,520 --> 01:58:52,960
Speaker 8: So it's never about radio. To me, it was just

2163
01:58:52,960 --> 01:58:55,480
Speaker 8: not the radio became Okay, I got the street lot,

2164
01:58:55,560 --> 01:58:57,760
Speaker 8: I got the sheet. People respect it. Okay, we put

2165
01:58:57,800 --> 01:58:59,920
Speaker 8: it with this person, Okay, we put on this tour. Okay,

2166
01:59:00,080 --> 01:59:01,080
Speaker 8: now we ready for.

2167
01:59:01,040 --> 01:59:03,040
Speaker 1: That, But does it help to also have the deft

2168
01:59:03,080 --> 01:59:08,480
Speaker 1: cham logo in other words like uh, well not.

2169
01:59:10,440 --> 01:59:13,960
Speaker 2: Have you ever got what's what's it? What's what's a.

2170
01:59:14,000 --> 01:59:20,800
Speaker 1: Heartbreaking know that you got during your stretch? Okay, Jay

2171
01:59:20,920 --> 01:59:23,839
Speaker 1: hates and I think he does it just to be asshole.

2172
01:59:23,880 --> 01:59:29,640
Speaker 1: Sometimes he hates in my lifetime, like just the I

2173
01:59:29,800 --> 01:59:31,240
Speaker 1: think you know.

2174
01:59:30,840 --> 01:59:35,480
Speaker 2: I don't like it. Whatever Volume one, Volume one, yeah, yeah, yeah,

2175
01:59:35,520 --> 01:59:36,360
Speaker 2: well no, no.

2176
01:59:36,200 --> 01:59:40,160
Speaker 8: No, is that the one that had touched my heart?

2177
01:59:40,960 --> 01:59:41,160
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2178
01:59:41,160 --> 01:59:46,840
Speaker 1: Sunshine now doing like Sunshine? How are you guys working Sunshine?

2179
01:59:47,920 --> 01:59:51,000
Speaker 1: And to the point where now Dame's like, yo, we

2180
01:59:51,080 --> 01:59:54,480
Speaker 1: got to make a street movie real quick and get

2181
01:59:54,560 --> 01:59:57,680
Speaker 1: him back to home base and establish the street cred

2182
01:59:57,960 --> 02:00:01,080
Speaker 1: because I didn't even see it as like, oh, you're

2183
02:00:01,080 --> 02:00:04,560
Speaker 1: losing your street cred by rhyming over with Babyface.

2184
02:00:04,720 --> 02:00:12,400
Speaker 8: It was reach but wait, it's.

2185
02:00:12,600 --> 02:00:16,160
Speaker 1: It's almost like I'm sorry only because the Flaming Lips

2186
02:00:16,840 --> 02:00:19,520
Speaker 1: were recently on The Tonight Show a long time ago,

2187
02:00:19,800 --> 02:00:24,080
Speaker 1: and I think about the whole New I think about

2188
02:00:24,080 --> 02:00:28,560
Speaker 1: the whole New Rock Uh Flaming Lips video fiasco where

2189
02:00:28,560 --> 02:00:32,800
Speaker 1: it's like where it was like that was, and I'm like,

2190
02:00:32,840 --> 02:00:35,160
Speaker 1: you shot the video with him, like, how did you

2191
02:00:35,200 --> 02:00:38,800
Speaker 1: not know that? But for me, he recorded the record,

2192
02:00:39,600 --> 02:00:43,000
Speaker 1: he made the video and he was obviously reaching.

2193
02:00:43,160 --> 02:00:43,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2194
02:00:43,360 --> 02:00:45,200
Speaker 2: It's like it's a committee. Like Nick, It's like saying

2195
02:00:45,240 --> 02:00:47,600
Speaker 2: I accidentally posted a picture Instagram. I know you didn't

2196
02:00:47,640 --> 02:00:49,600
Speaker 2: you know how many steps to take the post picture Instagram?

2197
02:00:49,600 --> 02:00:54,200
Speaker 8: I think he experimented, made made a record.

2198
02:00:55,880 --> 02:00:59,120
Speaker 1: But why could a song like Sunshine, which by the

2199
02:00:59,200 --> 02:01:02,400
Speaker 1: numbers should have won.

2200
02:01:02,680 --> 02:01:04,720
Speaker 2: But that's just wasn't a good song though like that,

2201
02:01:04,800 --> 02:01:07,880
Speaker 2: but what is a good song? During that period? It

2202
02:01:07,960 --> 02:01:10,800
Speaker 2: effective or not right that it was ineffective.

2203
02:01:11,120 --> 02:01:17,120
Speaker 1: But the thing is is that Okay, give me, okay,

2204
02:01:17,760 --> 02:01:21,640
Speaker 1: what's that I'm.

2205
02:01:21,440 --> 02:01:23,400
Speaker 2: Trying to think, give me, give me, give me a job.

2206
02:01:23,440 --> 02:01:25,800
Speaker 2: Will either put it on me or I mean all

2207
02:01:25,840 --> 02:01:30,960
Speaker 2: of them, job put on me? You want to do?

2208
02:01:31,000 --> 02:01:35,360
Speaker 2: I do sample everybody living it up? That was the

2209
02:01:35,400 --> 02:01:36,919
Speaker 2: living it up. It's the formula.

2210
02:01:37,040 --> 02:01:39,800
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, let's take a living I actually would give

2211
02:01:39,800 --> 02:01:45,680
Speaker 1: the advantage to living it up. But I'm trying to

2212
02:01:45,680 --> 02:01:48,520
Speaker 1: think of like just a hit for def Jam that.

2213
02:01:48,760 --> 02:01:55,040
Speaker 2: Was like it's a hit. Uh, okay, let's go with

2214
02:01:55,640 --> 02:01:59,080
Speaker 2: Gotta Get You Home? That was That was a jam.

2215
02:01:59,360 --> 02:02:01,960
Speaker 2: Well it was it because it was a hit. It

2216
02:02:02,040 --> 02:02:06,040
Speaker 2: was like you were told Illmatic was a classic? Was

2217
02:02:06,080 --> 02:02:08,720
Speaker 2: it a classic? You instantly?

2218
02:02:08,920 --> 02:02:12,000
Speaker 1: You were told instantly I read it Illmatic right, it

2219
02:02:12,040 --> 02:02:13,640
Speaker 1: was like it's almost.

2220
02:02:13,400 --> 02:02:15,920
Speaker 2: Like like your hand was forced on it.

2221
02:02:15,920 --> 02:02:21,520
Speaker 1: Like why why wasn't Why wasn't the machine that built

2222
02:02:22,080 --> 02:02:25,960
Speaker 1: by nineteen ninety seven, you guys had a formula so

2223
02:02:26,840 --> 02:02:28,640
Speaker 1: amazingly like bulletproof.

2224
02:02:29,680 --> 02:02:31,240
Speaker 2: Why couldn't that work for Sunshine?

2225
02:02:33,000 --> 02:02:39,840
Speaker 8: Because I believe good records work and bad ones don't.

2226
02:02:41,760 --> 02:02:44,680
Speaker 2: Wow, that shit won't.

2227
02:02:47,120 --> 02:02:52,040
Speaker 8: And by the way, like the record, and I worked

2228
02:02:52,040 --> 02:02:54,040
Speaker 8: the record, I was mad at people, y'all not gonna

2229
02:02:54,080 --> 02:02:58,000
Speaker 8: play Babyface Foxy and y'all not gonna play that, and

2230
02:02:58,040 --> 02:03:01,520
Speaker 8: I took offense to it. But the art of being

2231
02:03:01,560 --> 02:03:06,120
Speaker 8: a promo guy, there will be another record. I'm never

2232
02:03:06,120 --> 02:03:10,440
Speaker 8: worried about whether people would uh play the record or not,

2233
02:03:10,440 --> 02:03:12,880
Speaker 8: because I'm gonna come back with him back and guess

2234
02:03:12,920 --> 02:03:17,960
Speaker 8: what Jay's next album. I reminded him.

2235
02:03:17,480 --> 02:03:20,640
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, wait, wait, time out time, because I really

2236
02:03:20,640 --> 02:03:23,280
Speaker 1: want to talk to you about your rock and feller

2237
02:03:23,360 --> 02:03:25,480
Speaker 1: relationship with Damon Dash and I know you're so tired

2238
02:03:25,520 --> 02:03:28,880
Speaker 1: of talking about the jackets and argument.

2239
02:03:28,920 --> 02:03:30,600
Speaker 8: I was never tired of talking about the jackets.

2240
02:03:30,720 --> 02:03:31,320
Speaker 2: He was.

2241
02:03:34,120 --> 02:03:34,400
Speaker 8: To day.

2242
02:03:34,880 --> 02:03:42,000
Speaker 1: So he comes at you, guys with the song that's

2243
02:03:42,040 --> 02:03:48,000
Speaker 1: like seventy seven beats per minute. It wasn't even it

2244
02:03:48,040 --> 02:03:53,600
Speaker 1: wasn't even a jam. So right, life, what in my

2245
02:03:53,720 --> 02:03:59,000
Speaker 1: life is a hard song to blend in mixing. It's

2246
02:03:59,120 --> 02:04:02,920
Speaker 1: very slow in today's environment where the average song is

2247
02:04:02,960 --> 02:04:08,400
Speaker 1: eighty two. Yeah, like she could work in twenty sixteen,

2248
02:04:09,080 --> 02:04:13,160
Speaker 1: but back in nineteen ninety eight, there was no the

2249
02:04:13,280 --> 02:04:17,960
Speaker 1: average meter was was was ninety seven, ninety eight, ninety nine.

2250
02:04:18,360 --> 02:04:20,960
Speaker 1: He's coming at you with the record that's eighty two bpms.

2251
02:04:21,240 --> 02:04:22,520
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of kids singing.

2252
02:04:23,240 --> 02:04:25,320
Speaker 2: You know. It was a risk, like a Broadway song.

2253
02:04:26,240 --> 02:04:26,960
Speaker 8: Delivery is weird.

2254
02:04:28,040 --> 02:04:31,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, how did you guys? Now? That? To me was

2255
02:04:32,000 --> 02:04:34,160
Speaker 2: the hell Mary throw of all hell Marys.

2256
02:04:34,200 --> 02:04:35,880
Speaker 9: I think the novelty was part of it, just because

2257
02:04:35,920 --> 02:04:37,560
Speaker 9: of the fact that it was a very slow song

2258
02:04:37,600 --> 02:04:38,160
Speaker 9: with the whole.

2259
02:04:38,200 --> 02:04:41,400
Speaker 2: The ironic song, because he tried it again with anything

2260
02:04:41,440 --> 02:04:42,240
Speaker 2: that didn't work.

2261
02:04:42,320 --> 02:04:46,440
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it was a moment in time. I

2262
02:04:46,440 --> 02:04:49,080
Speaker 8: don't think that could ever be repeated, and it was

2263
02:04:49,120 --> 02:04:50,760
Speaker 8: a jay Z moment.

2264
02:04:51,040 --> 02:04:56,800
Speaker 2: But was there what do you call it? Catalyst when

2265
02:04:56,840 --> 02:04:57,520
Speaker 2: you when you're a gun?

2266
02:04:58,120 --> 02:05:00,760
Speaker 1: Was there a sort of a gun side thing like

2267
02:05:00,840 --> 02:05:05,040
Speaker 1: we can't fumble this one and wait because let's not even.

2268
02:05:04,960 --> 02:05:07,000
Speaker 2: Look at it as a fumble because the album went platinum.

2269
02:05:07,120 --> 02:05:09,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't think it would. To be honest with

2270
02:05:09,120 --> 02:05:13,280
Speaker 8: you again, I never looked at it. Jay Z's brand

2271
02:05:13,640 --> 02:05:16,480
Speaker 8: to us, Rockefeller's brand to us, because we had things

2272
02:05:16,520 --> 02:05:19,000
Speaker 8: that was very successful and then we had things that

2273
02:05:19,000 --> 02:05:22,480
Speaker 8: didn't work, you know, but his brand was so important

2274
02:05:23,320 --> 02:05:25,680
Speaker 8: to us, his friendship was so important to us that

2275
02:05:25,880 --> 02:05:29,160
Speaker 8: it just wasn't about one particular record. I know would

2276
02:05:29,200 --> 02:05:34,280
Speaker 8: hove He's gonna always make that record because I believe

2277
02:05:34,360 --> 02:05:36,800
Speaker 8: he's that guy. That's another one of those you know

2278
02:05:36,840 --> 02:05:40,160
Speaker 8: what I mean that that I that I would do

2279
02:05:40,200 --> 02:05:45,400
Speaker 8: anything for it because I know his he's he's it's

2280
02:05:45,480 --> 02:05:48,400
Speaker 8: just as an EMC that he won of those man

2281
02:05:48,400 --> 02:05:50,640
Speaker 8: and heart knocked like you got that couldn't work for everybody.

2282
02:05:50,840 --> 02:05:54,240
Speaker 8: Everybody couldn't do They couldn't do that that they couldn't do,

2283
02:05:54,720 --> 02:05:56,000
Speaker 8: and so he was just it was the one on

2284
02:05:56,000 --> 02:06:01,360
Speaker 8: one for him.

2285
02:06:01,640 --> 02:06:03,600
Speaker 1: If you're just suiting him, we're heading to our final

2286
02:06:03,640 --> 02:06:06,120
Speaker 1: hour with Kevin Lowne was talking about his time as

2287
02:06:06,160 --> 02:06:09,080
Speaker 1: president of def JAM at the turn of the century.

2288
02:06:11,560 --> 02:06:17,360
Speaker 1: What was it like daily just dealing with Dame dash

2289
02:06:17,600 --> 02:06:21,800
Speaker 1: and on on one line? By this point, I know

2290
02:06:22,680 --> 02:06:26,680
Speaker 1: it was IRV got it a hard uh. I know

2291
02:06:26,720 --> 02:06:28,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna say that nobody was hard to.

2292
02:06:28,560 --> 02:06:32,919
Speaker 8: Know, I'm gonna tell you, but intensely Dame was challenging.

2293
02:06:33,480 --> 02:06:34,440
Speaker 2: Okay, good.

2294
02:06:35,840 --> 02:06:38,920
Speaker 8: IRV. And if you talk to him to this day,

2295
02:06:39,120 --> 02:06:47,000
Speaker 8: IRV to me when I left, if IRV didn't implode

2296
02:06:47,000 --> 02:06:49,680
Speaker 8: the way he did around his whole thing and Dame

2297
02:06:49,720 --> 02:06:52,280
Speaker 8: didn't implode the way he did, they were being prime

2298
02:06:53,040 --> 02:06:57,000
Speaker 8: to take over. And I'm just today would they were

2299
02:06:57,040 --> 02:06:58,680
Speaker 8: real record gud? I mean, I'm being honest.

2300
02:06:58,680 --> 02:07:01,200
Speaker 1: Do you still feel that they have have the business

2301
02:07:01,280 --> 02:07:07,000
Speaker 1: acumen too? At least advance the wisdom that they've gained,

2302
02:07:07,000 --> 02:07:11,560
Speaker 1: because I just refuse to believe that they're that damn disposable.

2303
02:07:11,760 --> 02:07:13,520
Speaker 2: Right, It was like a moment in time.

2304
02:07:13,600 --> 02:07:15,080
Speaker 8: I don't I don't think they I don't think they

2305
02:07:15,160 --> 02:07:18,160
Speaker 8: moment in times. I think they made choices and decisions

2306
02:07:18,160 --> 02:07:20,640
Speaker 8: that they have to live by. And I think if

2307
02:07:20,680 --> 02:07:24,760
Speaker 8: IRV wanted to be in the business, he could be

2308
02:07:24,840 --> 02:07:27,240
Speaker 8: in the business. I think that Dame has chosen a

2309
02:07:27,280 --> 02:07:30,240
Speaker 8: different You got to understand something Dame came it was

2310
02:07:30,320 --> 02:07:32,640
Speaker 8: it was atrofected with them, you know what I mean.

2311
02:07:32,720 --> 02:07:35,320
Speaker 8: So I'm sure that goes through you know, some people.

2312
02:07:35,360 --> 02:07:37,040
Speaker 8: It's like I said, I know I can do it

2313
02:07:37,080 --> 02:07:38,920
Speaker 8: by myself, but I don't want to do it by myself.

2314
02:07:38,920 --> 02:07:41,000
Speaker 8: That's why me and they have been together, you know,

2315
02:07:41,080 --> 02:07:44,800
Speaker 8: my whole career per se. So some people don't want

2316
02:07:44,800 --> 02:07:46,600
Speaker 8: to do it byself. I really don't think Dame wants

2317
02:07:46,640 --> 02:07:49,640
Speaker 8: to do it byself. And that's just to be quite honest.

2318
02:07:49,720 --> 02:07:52,320
Speaker 8: You know, I'm not sure why. But and Irv I

2319
02:07:52,360 --> 02:07:54,960
Speaker 8: talk to every day. We we we were friends.

2320
02:07:55,080 --> 02:07:58,240
Speaker 1: Well, not to put you on the spot, but if

2321
02:07:59,640 --> 02:08:04,480
Speaker 1: he I'm saying there's a mail room position that three

2322
02:08:04,560 --> 02:08:13,440
Speaker 1: hundreds right right, I don't mean that. But are there

2323
02:08:13,520 --> 02:08:17,920
Speaker 1: people in this industry that you would rather not choose

2324
02:08:17,960 --> 02:08:21,760
Speaker 1: to work with again? Or is it just like you'll

2325
02:08:21,840 --> 02:08:23,800
Speaker 1: find where your system is right now?

2326
02:08:23,840 --> 02:08:27,640
Speaker 8: And let me I'm gonna try to put this in

2327
02:08:27,680 --> 02:08:28,080
Speaker 8: the right.

2328
02:08:28,000 --> 02:08:31,000
Speaker 2: Way because I want to know, like the genius and the.

2329
02:08:34,400 --> 02:08:38,720
Speaker 1: Stronghold of Rockefeller, I'm trying to figure out if that

2330
02:08:38,960 --> 02:08:46,839
Speaker 1: was Dame's constant intensity or was that jay Z's lucky streak,

2331
02:08:48,360 --> 02:08:51,240
Speaker 1: like who had the fifty one to forty nine advantage.

2332
02:08:51,320 --> 02:08:57,520
Speaker 8: I think it's always gonna be Hole because he was

2333
02:08:57,560 --> 02:09:01,520
Speaker 8: the one that kept the lights on building. But every

2334
02:09:01,600 --> 02:09:08,080
Speaker 8: team needs a Dennis Robin And I think Jay wasn't

2335
02:09:08,080 --> 02:09:11,840
Speaker 8: a big talker. Dame did the talking. Biggs wasn't a

2336
02:09:11,840 --> 02:09:13,880
Speaker 8: big talker at all. He didn't really talk, you know

2337
02:09:13,920 --> 02:09:16,960
Speaker 8: what I mean, he just you know, did did not

2338
02:09:17,200 --> 02:09:17,880
Speaker 8: and say yo.

2339
02:09:18,560 --> 02:09:22,440
Speaker 13: So that's a well that said if okay, let's let's

2340
02:09:22,480 --> 02:09:26,720
Speaker 13: trade off. Let's take Let's take Dash out of the situation.

2341
02:09:27,360 --> 02:09:30,400
Speaker 13: Let's put Chris Lighty in that situation. Now, Chris Lighty

2342
02:09:30,560 --> 02:09:31,760
Speaker 13: is the right hand to Hove.

2343
02:09:33,000 --> 02:09:35,560
Speaker 1: Will we have the same results or do you need

2344
02:09:35,640 --> 02:09:42,000
Speaker 1: someone that is just the flavor to a chuck.

2345
02:09:41,880 --> 02:09:44,760
Speaker 8: D like a Let me let me say this to you.

2346
02:09:45,080 --> 02:09:51,080
Speaker 8: I think there's a lot of things that put that

2347
02:09:51,160 --> 02:09:56,160
Speaker 8: whole situation uh into the stratosphere at where it was

2348
02:09:56,200 --> 02:10:00,200
Speaker 8: at that particular time. I'll be I'll be a a

2349
02:10:00,240 --> 02:10:04,200
Speaker 8: sucker and a bitch if I didn't sit and say

2350
02:10:04,240 --> 02:10:09,520
Speaker 8: that Dame's contribution to Rockefeller was not a lot I'll

2351
02:10:09,560 --> 02:10:15,000
Speaker 8: be corny and whack to say that Biggs didn't, and

2352
02:10:15,080 --> 02:10:19,160
Speaker 8: I also be disrespectful to say Hove was not the reason.

2353
02:10:19,880 --> 02:10:21,480
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying. So you can't, you can't,

2354
02:10:22,280 --> 02:10:24,200
Speaker 8: you can't put.

2355
02:10:24,640 --> 02:10:27,200
Speaker 1: You don't do because I wouldn't know that because I've

2356
02:10:27,280 --> 02:10:31,200
Speaker 1: never seen. I know Jay's very ambitious, and I know

2357
02:10:31,280 --> 02:10:34,280
Speaker 1: that he it's kind of a chess player and thinks

2358
02:10:35,200 --> 02:10:36,240
Speaker 1: in terms of moves.

2359
02:10:36,280 --> 02:10:38,920
Speaker 2: But I always thought, like you.

2360
02:10:38,880 --> 02:10:44,000
Speaker 1: Need you needed a trojan horse or a battering ram

2361
02:10:44,920 --> 02:10:50,920
Speaker 1: to at least how be it revisioned as history or not.

2362
02:10:51,400 --> 02:10:53,440
Speaker 1: I mean you you'll hear everyone's tale.

2363
02:10:53,240 --> 02:10:55,920
Speaker 2: Of well I made it happen. Well I made it happen.

2364
02:10:57,080 --> 02:10:58,960
Speaker 2: You know, you hear like all these versions of it.

2365
02:10:59,040 --> 02:10:59,800
Speaker 2: So it's just like.

2366
02:11:00,040 --> 02:11:02,200
Speaker 8: We never looked at it like that. I think them

2367
02:11:02,680 --> 02:11:06,800
Speaker 8: being with us helped a lot. I think we provided

2368
02:11:06,800 --> 02:11:09,840
Speaker 8: a platform to them to be great entrepreneurs. We gave

2369
02:11:09,880 --> 02:11:13,160
Speaker 8: them a lot of opportunity, taught them a lot of things,

2370
02:11:13,400 --> 02:11:15,880
Speaker 8: and to be quite honest, they taught us some things.

2371
02:11:16,960 --> 02:11:20,320
Speaker 8: Taught us about taking risks, taught us about just believe that. Again,

2372
02:11:20,640 --> 02:11:23,960
Speaker 8: it might sound funny, but from all them guys, I

2373
02:11:24,040 --> 02:11:26,320
Speaker 8: really feel like we were just meant to be the

2374
02:11:26,360 --> 02:11:29,640
Speaker 8: reason we ran the boards, because we were meant to

2375
02:11:29,720 --> 02:11:32,080
Speaker 8: be together, meant to be together. I'm talking you talking

2376
02:11:32,080 --> 02:11:33,720
Speaker 8: about wars, we'd have minded some things.

2377
02:11:33,760 --> 02:11:36,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, knowing that your history, were

2378
02:11:36,040 --> 02:11:37,760
Speaker 1: you meditating at this point at least?

2379
02:11:38,000 --> 02:11:38,080
Speaker 11: Like?

2380
02:11:39,080 --> 02:11:40,240
Speaker 2: How are you surviving?

2381
02:11:40,520 --> 02:11:46,720
Speaker 1: Because I mean, I'm I'm probably a passive aggressive boss

2382
02:11:46,920 --> 02:11:48,640
Speaker 1: in at least twelve.

2383
02:11:48,400 --> 02:11:52,520
Speaker 2: Of my ventures. I just you know, what are you

2384
02:11:52,560 --> 02:11:56,200
Speaker 2: pointing me for? No? This is the Have I been

2385
02:11:56,200 --> 02:12:00,000
Speaker 2: aggressive to you? Have I been aggressive to you?

2386
02:12:00,120 --> 02:12:00,360
Speaker 8: You'll have.

2387
02:12:04,000 --> 02:12:06,040
Speaker 2: Yes, I have been very aggressive.

2388
02:12:08,200 --> 02:12:09,880
Speaker 4: Said you are a passive aggresive boss. Yes, that is

2389
02:12:09,880 --> 02:12:11,080
Speaker 4: the truth. You already said it's school.

2390
02:12:11,280 --> 02:12:13,000
Speaker 2: Oh well you had to intensify to.

2391
02:12:13,040 --> 02:12:15,400
Speaker 4: That level for a witness. I just want you to

2392
02:12:15,440 --> 02:12:15,800
Speaker 4: know there was.

2393
02:12:15,840 --> 02:12:19,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, you didn't have to agree that dare anyway.

2394
02:12:20,320 --> 02:12:24,240
Speaker 1: But my point is that how how does this not

2395
02:12:24,440 --> 02:12:26,920
Speaker 1: land you in the hospital? How's this not?

2396
02:12:27,320 --> 02:12:27,720
Speaker 8: Actually?

2397
02:12:27,720 --> 02:12:30,240
Speaker 2: Did should? I did not know that?

2398
02:12:32,160 --> 02:12:32,200
Speaker 4: Not?

2399
02:12:32,480 --> 02:12:35,200
Speaker 8: Not not? I didn't realize it that at the time.

2400
02:12:37,880 --> 02:12:41,040
Speaker 8: But when you work with my life, you know, And

2401
02:12:41,720 --> 02:12:46,280
Speaker 8: I'd gotten so big I was three hundred and twenty pounds.

2402
02:12:46,400 --> 02:12:48,000
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ I totally forgot.

2403
02:12:47,800 --> 02:12:52,040
Speaker 8: That all that, and so the issue I realized my

2404
02:12:52,040 --> 02:12:57,160
Speaker 8: my addiction was food and the reason and because I

2405
02:12:57,160 --> 02:12:58,560
Speaker 8: was on the road all the time, I never really

2406
02:12:58,560 --> 02:13:01,160
Speaker 8: cared about I just ate in the eight and eight

2407
02:13:01,440 --> 02:13:03,800
Speaker 8: stress and then I started stressed, you know, And so

2408
02:13:04,200 --> 02:13:09,880
Speaker 8: I started to realize that ship something wrong. Blood clot

2409
02:13:09,960 --> 02:13:12,720
Speaker 8: here bye by this And I remember Leo said this,

2410
02:13:12,960 --> 02:13:17,760
Speaker 8: he said, I went to think about this. They had

2411
02:13:17,800 --> 02:13:20,920
Speaker 8: five hundred million dollars. Am I going to give it

2412
02:13:20,960 --> 02:13:24,760
Speaker 8: to you fat fuck? Or am I gonna give it

2413
02:13:24,760 --> 02:13:30,080
Speaker 8: to the healthy guy? Wow? Moment moment. And so I

2414
02:13:30,600 --> 02:13:33,000
Speaker 8: only say that I didn't realize that at that time.

2415
02:13:33,040 --> 02:13:35,120
Speaker 8: And sometimes you don't realize what you're going through. But

2416
02:13:35,280 --> 02:13:40,360
Speaker 8: that addiction to food stress eating is, as people called it,

2417
02:13:40,400 --> 02:13:43,440
Speaker 8: almost cost him my life. Diabetes the whole thing.

2418
02:13:43,560 --> 02:13:46,960
Speaker 2: So where you diagnosed with diabetes? Yeah? All that?

2419
02:13:47,040 --> 02:13:52,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, when I was in digestion problems, I was, I

2420
02:13:52,520 --> 02:13:54,880
Speaker 8: was at when I tell you, you know, a very

2421
02:13:55,040 --> 02:13:58,080
Speaker 8: reggie red, very big cap. All these guys were overweight,

2422
02:13:59,640 --> 02:14:03,080
Speaker 8: dieing in the whole nine How old are you at

2423
02:14:03,120 --> 02:14:06,560
Speaker 8: this time? At my biggest probably thirty two?

2424
02:14:06,880 --> 02:14:10,320
Speaker 4: Wow, that was a big yeah, because your initial weight

2425
02:14:10,360 --> 02:14:13,040
Speaker 4: loss was a lot, Like you dropped a lot of pounds.

2426
02:14:13,040 --> 02:14:17,440
Speaker 8: I went from three twenty I'm now where one ninety.

2427
02:14:18,440 --> 02:14:22,880
Speaker 2: Wow, that's like, oh no, I'm current, I'm five down.

2428
02:14:24,400 --> 02:14:27,040
Speaker 2: That a small No. Yeah.

2429
02:14:27,320 --> 02:14:30,320
Speaker 1: I had a similar scare. And I'm like in my

2430
02:14:30,760 --> 02:14:38,000
Speaker 1: second month of being a vegan, which I got to ask,

2431
02:14:38,640 --> 02:14:40,680
Speaker 1: is there ever a time where you just stopped counting

2432
02:14:40,680 --> 02:14:41,680
Speaker 1: the days like a prisoner?

2433
02:14:44,360 --> 02:14:48,040
Speaker 2: Like I dream of pancakes vegan?

2434
02:14:48,080 --> 02:14:50,720
Speaker 1: But every I have a diary and I'm like day

2435
02:14:50,880 --> 02:14:54,080
Speaker 1: forty four, like I'm that series like in Blood.

2436
02:14:54,280 --> 02:15:00,000
Speaker 8: I changed it's lifestyle now it's I look at food.

2437
02:15:00,040 --> 02:15:01,080
Speaker 8: I eat food for energy.

2438
02:15:01,440 --> 02:15:03,880
Speaker 4: So you're not a no sugar, no dairy anymore because

2439
02:15:03,880 --> 02:15:04,080
Speaker 4: you were.

2440
02:15:04,200 --> 02:15:09,200
Speaker 8: It was a no sugar still fr no fried foods,

2441
02:15:12,320 --> 02:15:16,800
Speaker 8: dairy and cheese. You know what I mean? I do?

2442
02:15:17,200 --> 02:15:19,960
Speaker 8: I'm people know me. I eat the same thing every day,

2443
02:15:20,120 --> 02:15:25,960
Speaker 8: you know what I mean? So egg whites in the morning, mushrooms, onions, peppers,

2444
02:15:26,640 --> 02:15:28,640
Speaker 8: sliced turkey, meat inside.

2445
02:15:29,320 --> 02:15:30,760
Speaker 2: Sumer look like Kevin.

2446
02:15:32,520 --> 02:15:33,520
Speaker 4: Let's get to lunch now.

2447
02:15:34,480 --> 02:15:40,520
Speaker 8: Lunches normally fish and Brussels sprouts or broccoli rob and

2448
02:15:40,560 --> 02:15:44,240
Speaker 8: then then I'll eat some seafood Weber shrimp, Alaskan king

2449
02:15:44,280 --> 02:15:47,400
Speaker 8: krab legs, but always protein and vegetables the same. And

2450
02:15:47,840 --> 02:15:50,280
Speaker 8: now I made a commitment, you know, forty eight by fifty,

2451
02:15:50,280 --> 02:15:51,600
Speaker 8: I want to be in the best shape in my life.

2452
02:15:51,640 --> 02:15:54,840
Speaker 8: So I'm doing CrossFit three days a week and I'm

2453
02:15:54,880 --> 02:15:57,080
Speaker 8: doing rowing every day. You know what I mean?

2454
02:15:57,280 --> 02:16:01,440
Speaker 2: I hate rowing. Do you do that machine where you

2455
02:16:01,440 --> 02:16:02,600
Speaker 2: have to do the two thousand?

2456
02:16:04,560 --> 02:16:08,720
Speaker 8: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I love so much that I put

2457
02:16:08,760 --> 02:16:09,880
Speaker 8: it in my house. I bought one from my.

2458
02:16:12,400 --> 02:16:13,120
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly.

2459
02:16:14,440 --> 02:16:17,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I purposely try to break the chair on that machine.

2460
02:16:19,720 --> 02:16:22,360
Speaker 8: Shout out the coach, Greg, I'll be there to mariw o'clock.

2461
02:16:24,160 --> 02:16:24,680
Speaker 4: Inspiration.

2462
02:16:25,760 --> 02:16:32,040
Speaker 2: Jesus, So I got that answer you asked, But.

2463
02:16:32,240 --> 02:16:34,560
Speaker 8: I'm gonna tell you question that's on the weight thing.

2464
02:16:37,680 --> 02:16:40,640
Speaker 8: So many people look at you and follow you. You

2465
02:16:40,680 --> 02:16:42,920
Speaker 8: know what kind of light you would shine if you

2466
02:16:43,000 --> 02:16:45,640
Speaker 8: did become healthy. And I'm not saying you're not healthy,

2467
02:16:45,680 --> 02:16:49,560
Speaker 8: but just if you did, the light that you would bring.

2468
02:16:50,160 --> 02:16:53,080
Speaker 1: To people just where Because people think that I'm now

2469
02:16:53,200 --> 02:16:58,960
Speaker 1: the Nazi asshole for like all the health stuff of

2470
02:16:59,040 --> 02:16:59,680
Speaker 1: them putting up.

2471
02:17:00,040 --> 02:17:01,840
Speaker 4: I do know you, not the people who don't know

2472
02:17:01,920 --> 02:17:03,879
Speaker 4: they are looking at you great. Yeah, just us, but

2473
02:17:03,920 --> 02:17:05,640
Speaker 4: people more people think it's great.

2474
02:17:06,200 --> 02:17:08,760
Speaker 8: I think I think you'd be such an inspiration to people,

2475
02:17:08,800 --> 02:17:11,000
Speaker 8: and you touch people's lives. I can't tell you. People

2476
02:17:11,000 --> 02:17:14,720
Speaker 8: who send me messages that you know forget me being

2477
02:17:16,000 --> 02:17:17,680
Speaker 8: who I am and the things that I've done, just

2478
02:17:18,600 --> 02:17:21,920
Speaker 8: the commitment because I've been I've lost weighting. It's now

2479
02:17:21,959 --> 02:17:25,640
Speaker 8: going to ten years. I don't count count days or anything.

2480
02:17:25,720 --> 02:17:28,720
Speaker 8: I really truly eat for energy. You may only eat

2481
02:17:29,000 --> 02:17:31,920
Speaker 8: enough stuff. I don't want to feel full. Fool is

2482
02:17:32,040 --> 02:17:35,920
Speaker 8: nasty to me. Full makes me feel sluggish in a

2483
02:17:36,000 --> 02:17:40,119
Speaker 8: certain way. So I pray for you, and I hope

2484
02:17:40,160 --> 02:17:44,480
Speaker 8: that you find you know the light enough to follow

2485
02:17:44,520 --> 02:17:46,560
Speaker 8: the light and shine light on other people.

2486
02:17:47,440 --> 02:17:49,800
Speaker 2: Wow. Things I feel like I just got blessed.

2487
02:17:49,480 --> 02:17:53,720
Speaker 4: By al would eat is Rick Ross and it's like

2488
02:17:53,720 --> 02:17:54,440
Speaker 4: a pure blessing.

2489
02:17:57,280 --> 02:18:04,160
Speaker 1: Who the sugar Steve is our resident diabetes.

2490
02:18:04,440 --> 02:18:06,520
Speaker 4: Uh got up during that part.

2491
02:18:07,080 --> 02:18:13,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's probably smoking a cigarette, like eating the cake

2492
02:18:14,040 --> 02:18:15,000
Speaker 1: coming like what I mean?

2493
02:18:15,160 --> 02:18:15,360
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2494
02:18:15,959 --> 02:18:19,840
Speaker 1: So, uh what your your actually Actually the three of

2495
02:18:19,879 --> 02:18:23,160
Speaker 1: you left def JAM at the same time.

2496
02:18:23,200 --> 02:18:28,040
Speaker 2: Correct two thousand and six. Uh, it was four when

2497
02:18:28,360 --> 02:18:30,400
Speaker 2: they were there when we signed to Atlantic.

2498
02:18:30,320 --> 02:18:34,760
Speaker 8: So leor left first, I was there at President CEO

2499
02:18:34,959 --> 02:18:39,039
Speaker 8: Deaf jam Uh. Julie was there as the execu Press

2500
02:18:39,040 --> 02:18:45,720
Speaker 8: President Island President Allen. She left and then and I

2501
02:18:45,720 --> 02:18:47,520
Speaker 8: always tell a story, So it's me in l A.

2502
02:18:48,680 --> 02:18:49,720
Speaker 8: And I felt like.

2503
02:18:49,920 --> 02:18:52,199
Speaker 2: What was was the synergies the same.

2504
02:18:52,879 --> 02:18:55,480
Speaker 8: I mean it was it was my company, you know

2505
02:18:55,480 --> 02:18:57,640
Speaker 8: what I mean. We ran it. I just so I

2506
02:18:57,640 --> 02:19:01,280
Speaker 8: had the keys, but I didn't have the house. So

2507
02:19:01,280 --> 02:19:04,800
Speaker 8: So and Doug and them, they just didn't know. They

2508
02:19:04,840 --> 02:19:07,960
Speaker 8: didn't trust me enough because I was Lear's guide, you

2509
02:19:08,000 --> 02:19:10,280
Speaker 8: know what I mean. And so they told me you

2510
02:19:10,320 --> 02:19:14,120
Speaker 8: should come and you know, stay and understand. I said, listen,

2511
02:19:14,879 --> 02:19:17,760
Speaker 8: I love La. It's my my friend. It's like somebody

2512
02:19:18,280 --> 02:19:20,280
Speaker 8: as another guy that I think the world of, and

2513
02:19:20,360 --> 02:19:21,879
Speaker 8: we can do great We don't do the same thing,

2514
02:19:22,040 --> 02:19:23,879
Speaker 8: you know what I mean, we can do great things together.

2515
02:19:24,040 --> 02:19:27,120
Speaker 2: Were disappointed that they didn't offer you the I wasn't.

2516
02:19:27,200 --> 02:19:29,640
Speaker 8: I wasn't say again, I wasn't that it was meant

2517
02:19:29,640 --> 02:19:32,720
Speaker 8: to be, so I don't. I don't live in So

2518
02:19:32,800 --> 02:19:33,879
Speaker 8: it was the only time I got this point where

2519
02:19:33,879 --> 02:19:35,680
Speaker 8: they said, you got y'all gonna give me the job.

2520
02:19:35,720 --> 02:19:37,400
Speaker 8: That was the only time I was this point other

2521
02:19:37,440 --> 02:19:39,280
Speaker 8: than that, I take life for what it has to

2522
02:19:39,320 --> 02:19:41,560
Speaker 8: give me. But that's why I'm so critical on my

2523
02:19:41,680 --> 02:19:45,520
Speaker 8: choices and the things that I do and how I

2524
02:19:45,560 --> 02:19:48,200
Speaker 8: treat people. So with LA, I looked at it. I said, Yo,

2525
02:19:49,480 --> 02:19:53,720
Speaker 8: so I don't want people doing the LA's people and

2526
02:19:53,800 --> 02:19:56,080
Speaker 8: Kevin's people. Then I'm not gonna let them do that

2527
02:19:56,080 --> 02:19:59,480
Speaker 8: to two African Americans at an institution like death. Jam.

2528
02:20:00,080 --> 02:20:04,600
Speaker 8: I can't do that, Yo. So I'm out, my man,

2529
02:20:04,640 --> 02:20:08,200
Speaker 8: but I gotta go, he said, Yo, no, no, I

2530
02:20:08,240 --> 02:20:11,119
Speaker 8: said no, But I'm doing this for us. I'm doing

2531
02:20:11,160 --> 02:20:14,959
Speaker 8: this for us because you deserve and respect for what

2532
02:20:15,040 --> 02:20:17,800
Speaker 8: you have and respect what you've done as an executive.

2533
02:20:18,560 --> 02:20:21,800
Speaker 8: You don't need a hindrance to you doing what you

2534
02:20:21,840 --> 02:20:24,400
Speaker 8: need to do. This is deaf Jam, you know what

2535
02:20:24,400 --> 02:20:26,680
Speaker 8: I mean? This is Alan deaf Jam. I need you

2536
02:20:26,760 --> 02:20:29,960
Speaker 8: to have full control and anything. So I'm a help

2537
02:20:30,000 --> 02:20:32,480
Speaker 8: as much as I can, but I think it's best

2538
02:20:32,520 --> 02:20:35,920
Speaker 8: that I give you. You have the house, I give

2539
02:20:35,959 --> 02:20:37,840
Speaker 8: you the keys also. So that's what it was.

2540
02:20:38,480 --> 02:20:41,640
Speaker 1: So in your success, it was Jay right or Jay?

2541
02:20:42,959 --> 02:20:43,320
Speaker 2: Was that?

2542
02:20:43,680 --> 02:20:46,560
Speaker 1: What do you think of that period? Like were you

2543
02:20:47,400 --> 02:20:53,240
Speaker 1: shocked or did you feel that that was not natural,

2544
02:20:53,320 --> 02:20:56,280
Speaker 1: But like was it was it something that you.

2545
02:20:57,760 --> 02:20:58,320
Speaker 2: Believed in?

2546
02:20:58,680 --> 02:21:01,000
Speaker 8: Or I think it was it was you gotta it

2547
02:21:01,040 --> 02:21:07,960
Speaker 8: was necessary. Two, because you gotta understand some I'm ten

2548
02:21:08,040 --> 02:21:11,360
Speaker 8: years now, I'm fifteen years there, and so people there's

2549
02:21:11,360 --> 02:21:13,360
Speaker 8: some kids who don't know Russell was president in the

2550
02:21:13,400 --> 02:21:16,120
Speaker 8: death jam, you know, I mean there's some millennials that

2551
02:21:16,200 --> 02:21:18,200
Speaker 8: don't know that. They think it was me. You know,

2552
02:21:18,640 --> 02:21:21,360
Speaker 8: I found it in that old thing. So you know

2553
02:21:21,879 --> 02:21:25,600
Speaker 8: the issue I think that they had with Liro and

2554
02:21:26,840 --> 02:21:30,120
Speaker 8: me not being there. They had to have someone there

2555
02:21:30,160 --> 02:21:38,120
Speaker 8: with enough gravitas, enough like the attraction and success that

2556
02:21:38,440 --> 02:21:40,400
Speaker 8: would stop the bleeding, you know what I mean.

2557
02:21:40,440 --> 02:21:42,280
Speaker 4: But why do you think the art it didn't during

2558
02:21:42,280 --> 02:21:44,680
Speaker 4: that time, it seemed like the artists on roster weren't

2559
02:21:44,680 --> 02:21:48,920
Speaker 4: as happy as they were before, some of the people

2560
02:21:48,920 --> 02:21:49,840
Speaker 4: who had been there for a while.

2561
02:21:50,520 --> 02:21:53,600
Speaker 8: I think it's management styles, I think.

2562
02:21:54,600 --> 02:21:56,760
Speaker 1: And how do you deal with a fading light like

2563
02:21:57,680 --> 02:22:03,520
Speaker 1: EPMD's situation for instance, Like you know, how do you

2564
02:22:04,040 --> 02:22:08,920
Speaker 1: take a legacy act that might not necessarily be as open?

2565
02:22:09,040 --> 02:22:11,280
Speaker 2: I mean, am I to assume? I don't? I don't,

2566
02:22:11,400 --> 02:22:15,080
Speaker 2: like I never know what ELL's processes.

2567
02:22:15,160 --> 02:22:18,760
Speaker 1: He just seems to me that he's just open to

2568
02:22:20,120 --> 02:22:24,160
Speaker 1: ideas and if it's and if it's a good idea,

2569
02:22:24,240 --> 02:22:24,840
Speaker 1: I'll go with it.

2570
02:22:25,120 --> 02:22:26,480
Speaker 2: I know plenty of artists.

2571
02:22:26,240 --> 02:22:30,520
Speaker 1: That would, you know, turn their back on a hip

2572
02:22:30,840 --> 02:22:33,240
Speaker 1: for fear of like I don't want to look bad

2573
02:22:33,360 --> 02:22:35,440
Speaker 1: for my boys singing da da Da da da. But

2574
02:22:35,640 --> 02:22:38,840
Speaker 1: how do you take a legacy act that was good

2575
02:22:38,879 --> 02:22:42,360
Speaker 1: for the label like E p MD or Eric Sermon

2576
02:22:42,480 --> 02:22:46,720
Speaker 1: and that sort of thing, like if the expiration is

2577
02:22:46,800 --> 02:22:49,879
Speaker 1: up and they're like, okay, well we're back in business

2578
02:22:50,040 --> 02:22:53,640
Speaker 1: or that thing like was the Ninetess back in business?

2579
02:22:53,720 --> 02:22:54,279
Speaker 2: Out of business?

2580
02:22:55,360 --> 02:22:57,880
Speaker 8: I did all those albums, so that could have produce.

2581
02:22:57,959 --> 02:23:00,760
Speaker 8: I mean, that's why we're going to It's a question.

2582
02:23:01,280 --> 02:23:05,080
Speaker 1: So for that for those comeback records, like are they

2583
02:23:05,120 --> 02:23:08,520
Speaker 1: having these like uh, these frothy goals of like ah, man,

2584
02:23:08,520 --> 02:23:12,480
Speaker 1: we're back to our you know, our regular platinum status

2585
02:23:12,560 --> 02:23:14,119
Speaker 1: and you know the world's gonna know who.

2586
02:23:14,000 --> 02:23:17,560
Speaker 8: We are because I said they were never a platinum,

2587
02:23:17,879 --> 02:23:21,920
Speaker 8: they were gold. What I'm trying to say is their

2588
02:23:22,040 --> 02:23:26,760
Speaker 8: expectation was to be able to go out on the

2589
02:23:26,840 --> 02:23:33,280
Speaker 8: road and perform for their fans. Serm Eric Sermon, Uh,

2590
02:23:33,600 --> 02:23:36,480
Speaker 8: his expectations was to be the produce you gotta. You

2591
02:23:36,480 --> 02:23:39,480
Speaker 8: gotta remember when we did back in business and then

2592
02:23:39,480 --> 02:23:46,640
Speaker 8: there was another one out. You know, these were albums

2593
02:23:46,680 --> 02:23:49,200
Speaker 8: done out of love. It wasn't like that. It wasn't expectation,

2594
02:23:49,280 --> 02:23:52,320
Speaker 8: Oh we're gonna go and get jet. It was not that.

2595
02:23:52,440 --> 02:23:55,080
Speaker 8: It was that, Yo, we still want to do it,

2596
02:23:55,120 --> 02:23:58,240
Speaker 8: so help us do it. And that's what I That's

2597
02:23:58,240 --> 02:24:01,240
Speaker 8: what I did, and I think we did. Eric did

2598
02:24:01,280 --> 02:24:03,560
Speaker 8: some great Eric did the four three two one remix

2599
02:24:03,640 --> 02:24:07,240
Speaker 8: for me, and I always say, so, if he can

2600
02:24:07,280 --> 02:24:09,240
Speaker 8: bless me there, I have to be able to work

2601
02:24:09,280 --> 02:24:11,680
Speaker 8: with them. And the joke was the group was called

2602
02:24:11,720 --> 02:24:15,360
Speaker 8: k EPM D because I was. I was always stayed

2603
02:24:15,440 --> 02:24:16,960
Speaker 8: right with them too, you know what I mean. So

2604
02:24:17,000 --> 02:24:18,720
Speaker 8: that was I mean through all that, I went through

2605
02:24:18,720 --> 02:24:20,240
Speaker 8: all the thick and so.

2606
02:24:20,160 --> 02:24:21,720
Speaker 4: That must have been a part of the culture shot

2607
02:24:21,760 --> 02:24:24,560
Speaker 4: because I remember when you left ll it seemed like

2608
02:24:24,680 --> 02:24:28,200
Speaker 4: it was definitely a difference in him, like a mirror.

2609
02:24:28,200 --> 02:24:31,320
Speaker 4: I'm not not got your moment. However, he definitely made

2610
02:24:31,320 --> 02:24:34,200
Speaker 4: it known how he felt about the new administration and

2611
02:24:35,680 --> 02:24:37,040
Speaker 4: how did that affect you? Because it just seemed like

2612
02:24:37,040 --> 02:24:40,080
Speaker 4: the whole camaraderie, whatever you brought, that joy that you

2613
02:24:40,160 --> 02:24:42,480
Speaker 4: brought to that building, it got him done.

2614
02:24:42,920 --> 02:24:45,600
Speaker 8: I think it's a different I mean, you got to

2615
02:24:45,600 --> 02:24:49,200
Speaker 8: look at different administrations coming every four years, and I

2616
02:24:49,200 --> 02:24:52,800
Speaker 8: think that, but you learned how to deal with them.

2617
02:24:53,040 --> 02:24:56,879
Speaker 8: I think, Okay, maybe that feeling wasn't there, but Rihanna's dead, right?

2618
02:24:57,120 --> 02:24:57,520
Speaker 8: But did he?

2619
02:24:57,879 --> 02:24:58,160
Speaker 2: But did?

2620
02:24:58,320 --> 02:24:59,720
Speaker 4: I mean y'all are friends, so I'm sure he like

2621
02:24:59,760 --> 02:25:01,200
Speaker 4: called you like I can't deal?

2622
02:25:01,320 --> 02:25:06,560
Speaker 8: Did you have to? I think people knew, people know

2623
02:25:06,680 --> 02:25:08,879
Speaker 8: me and hope you know what I mean. People know

2624
02:25:09,120 --> 02:25:12,959
Speaker 8: that if he called me today and said, Yo, I

2625
02:25:13,000 --> 02:25:16,240
Speaker 8: need you to to run this or do this, that's

2626
02:25:16,280 --> 02:25:18,480
Speaker 8: my guy. I'm gonna do whatever I can for him.

2627
02:25:18,480 --> 02:25:21,520
Speaker 8: But vice versa. Like other people can't call him, I

2628
02:25:21,560 --> 02:25:25,039
Speaker 8: can call him and say, yo, I need It's not

2629
02:25:25,120 --> 02:25:28,360
Speaker 8: money thing, you know, and he'll He'll be there and

2630
02:25:28,400 --> 02:25:29,920
Speaker 8: the rest of these kids. I always told him when

2631
02:25:29,920 --> 02:25:32,520
Speaker 8: I left, it was emotional for me. You know, you

2632
02:25:32,560 --> 02:25:36,160
Speaker 8: got to understand something. I took that badge and the

2633
02:25:36,240 --> 02:25:39,279
Speaker 8: only thing I don't have is a tattoo with that jam.

2634
02:25:39,440 --> 02:25:44,119
Speaker 8: And these were brothers and sons and daughters that and

2635
02:25:44,200 --> 02:25:48,959
Speaker 8: aunts and people who I came up with in the business.

2636
02:25:49,440 --> 02:25:52,200
Speaker 8: But at the end of the day, they have to

2637
02:25:52,200 --> 02:25:53,959
Speaker 8: do what's best for their families. Like I had to

2638
02:25:53,959 --> 02:25:56,080
Speaker 8: do what's best for my families, and I got I

2639
02:25:56,080 --> 02:25:57,800
Speaker 8: got some of the calls. But I will always say,

2640
02:25:58,000 --> 02:26:03,080
Speaker 8: remember when Rick, and when Rick left, there was Lear

2641
02:26:04,120 --> 02:26:07,879
Speaker 8: change the administration. When Lera we grew so big, Lear

2642
02:26:08,000 --> 02:26:12,440
Speaker 8: had to have Kevin Lowles change administration. And the same

2643
02:26:12,480 --> 02:26:14,880
Speaker 8: way some of the artists people. It's people who felt

2644
02:26:14,879 --> 02:26:16,480
Speaker 8: that death jam when I came in. When they named

2645
02:26:16,520 --> 02:26:20,360
Speaker 8: me president, some people left, some people threw ship all.

2646
02:26:20,440 --> 02:26:21,519
Speaker 8: They couldn't believe.

2647
02:26:21,200 --> 02:26:22,160
Speaker 2: How they left.

2648
02:26:22,840 --> 02:26:25,600
Speaker 8: They couldn't they couldn't believe how they named me. People

2649
02:26:25,640 --> 02:26:26,840
Speaker 8: cried that.

2650
02:26:27,040 --> 02:26:31,600
Speaker 1: So so even despite you coming in first and leaving last.

2651
02:26:31,440 --> 02:26:36,440
Speaker 8: What wasn't wasn't about that because the culture wasn't about

2652
02:26:37,080 --> 02:26:40,680
Speaker 8: how can I say the team? It was more so

2653
02:26:40,760 --> 02:26:43,720
Speaker 8: about we death jam and and and what it wasn't.

2654
02:26:44,000 --> 02:26:46,879
Speaker 8: And to me, I'm okay with being in the back

2655
02:26:46,959 --> 02:26:49,480
Speaker 8: seat driving being I'm gonna being on the roof, put

2656
02:26:49,480 --> 02:26:51,640
Speaker 8: me in the trunk. I'm okay with whoever, as long

2657
02:26:51,640 --> 02:26:53,520
Speaker 8: as we accomplished the goal and what's the greater good?

2658
02:26:53,520 --> 02:26:55,400
Speaker 8: And so I just think it's the difference. When new

2659
02:26:55,400 --> 02:26:59,320
Speaker 8: administrations come in, they have to cater to the artists,

2660
02:26:59,760 --> 02:27:04,080
Speaker 8: and when you don't cater to art the paint starts appeal.

2661
02:27:04,800 --> 02:27:06,200
Speaker 8: And so that's what I think, you.

2662
02:27:06,160 --> 02:27:08,800
Speaker 2: Know, I want to I want to ask.

2663
02:27:12,240 --> 02:27:18,080
Speaker 1: If you can name me three three artists or three acts.

2664
02:27:18,920 --> 02:27:20,279
Speaker 8: Don't get me a trouble question.

2665
02:27:21,800 --> 02:27:27,360
Speaker 1: Kevin Lowbes, I love you, man, I'm not got you.

2666
02:27:27,480 --> 02:27:32,879
Speaker 1: Name me three acts that got away? I could have

2667
02:27:32,959 --> 02:27:38,119
Speaker 1: had blah blah blah, like damn if we just they

2668
02:27:38,280 --> 02:27:42,800
Speaker 1: went somewhere else, Like what three acts could you could

2669
02:27:42,800 --> 02:27:45,440
Speaker 1: you have signed or had that got away?

2670
02:27:46,160 --> 02:27:46,480
Speaker 8: Nelly?

2671
02:27:47,400 --> 02:27:48,160
Speaker 2: WHOA?

2672
02:27:49,000 --> 02:27:54,760
Speaker 1: How close was Nelly negotiations with Deft Chair and what

2673
02:27:54,959 --> 02:27:58,640
Speaker 1: caused it to not happen? I know someone had to say, oh,

2674
02:27:58,720 --> 02:27:59,840
Speaker 1: this guy will never sell this.

2675
02:28:00,959 --> 02:28:04,440
Speaker 8: I just think it was a time and issue, and

2676
02:28:04,520 --> 02:28:09,200
Speaker 8: we were we were a really like coast based label,

2677
02:28:09,720 --> 02:28:13,200
Speaker 8: East Coast and West Coast and didn't understand it.

2678
02:28:15,040 --> 02:28:17,760
Speaker 2: I think Leard didn't like it.

2679
02:28:18,520 --> 02:28:26,680
Speaker 8: I mean, I think fifty Wait a minute, you trying

2680
02:28:26,720 --> 02:28:28,800
Speaker 8: to tell me Chris Lidi managed them?

2681
02:28:28,879 --> 02:28:34,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what had happened? I never thought of that.

2682
02:28:35,160 --> 02:28:38,560
Speaker 1: So if Lady would have signed fifty cent Andi Rule

2683
02:28:38,640 --> 02:28:39,800
Speaker 1: was on the label at the same time.

2684
02:28:40,240 --> 02:28:43,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would have been crazy. I didn't.

2685
02:28:44,360 --> 02:28:48,240
Speaker 8: Listen or was that an issue? No, the best thing

2686
02:28:48,360 --> 02:28:50,720
Speaker 8: for everybody, And again, I deal with a greater good.

2687
02:28:51,959 --> 02:28:56,520
Speaker 8: Fifty had an opportunity to be with Dre. I believe

2688
02:28:56,520 --> 02:28:58,600
Speaker 8: if fifty would have been with us.

2689
02:28:58,560 --> 02:29:01,320
Speaker 1: You mean you had a when he signed the Columbia

2690
02:29:01,360 --> 02:29:03,920
Speaker 1: the first time, or like you know, after period after Columbia,

2691
02:29:03,959 --> 02:29:05,840
Speaker 1: after y'all could have tooke nim.

2692
02:29:08,240 --> 02:29:09,000
Speaker 2: Like mixtape.

2693
02:29:09,120 --> 02:29:14,000
Speaker 8: I mean, I mean we could have signed fifty, but

2694
02:29:14,080 --> 02:29:18,320
Speaker 8: the greater good called and the greater good was Yo.

2695
02:29:19,040 --> 02:29:22,720
Speaker 8: I think that's the better situation. And I think that

2696
02:29:23,840 --> 02:29:25,680
Speaker 8: because of doctor Drake, because of the whole thing that

2697
02:29:25,800 --> 02:29:28,560
Speaker 8: came along with and I think that because of the

2698
02:29:28,640 --> 02:29:32,920
Speaker 8: choice that he made. I think, uh, he became the

2699
02:29:33,000 --> 02:29:34,800
Speaker 8: artist that he is. I don't think we could have

2700
02:29:34,800 --> 02:29:38,199
Speaker 8: did it as great of a job with with him

2701
02:29:38,360 --> 02:29:41,840
Speaker 8: as they did. So I think that was one. And

2702
02:29:41,879 --> 02:29:47,360
Speaker 8: then who else said you got me three man?

2703
02:29:47,560 --> 02:29:48,920
Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't have to be hip hop. I'm

2704
02:29:48,959 --> 02:29:52,680
Speaker 1: sure there's some singer rock band too, because.

2705
02:29:53,200 --> 02:29:58,160
Speaker 8: Let me see, uh, I mean, it ain't that many

2706
02:29:58,160 --> 02:30:03,760
Speaker 8: that if we wanted them we didn't get now the brag, No,

2707
02:30:04,000 --> 02:30:07,360
Speaker 8: I really like, I'm I can't in doing my era.

2708
02:30:07,480 --> 02:30:12,520
Speaker 8: I can't think I'm another number numb act that if

2709
02:30:12,520 --> 02:30:15,800
Speaker 8: we really wanted them, that we didn't get him. Fifty, Yeah,

2710
02:30:15,879 --> 02:30:18,119
Speaker 8: I would say, and and by the way, they're both

2711
02:30:18,400 --> 02:30:21,800
Speaker 8: very good friends. I went on to manage Nelly, you know,

2712
02:30:21,840 --> 02:30:24,240
Speaker 8: for a period of time. Of course he did, so

2713
02:30:24,560 --> 02:30:27,160
Speaker 8: he's shout out to Nellie, shout out to fifty.

2714
02:30:27,879 --> 02:30:29,720
Speaker 4: Do you have a favorite era of deaf Jam? I mean,

2715
02:30:29,680 --> 02:30:31,640
Speaker 4: because we didn't even talk about death Show or anything else.

2716
02:30:31,680 --> 02:30:34,320
Speaker 4: But I'm just curious because I remember that was like

2717
02:30:34,360 --> 02:30:36,640
Speaker 4: a big deal in twenty steath, so so I'm just

2718
02:30:36,640 --> 02:30:39,280
Speaker 4: curious you have a I don't.

2719
02:30:39,480 --> 02:30:42,240
Speaker 8: I mean, this is great. I don't have a favorite

2720
02:30:42,240 --> 02:30:43,320
Speaker 8: era era.

2721
02:30:43,200 --> 02:30:44,920
Speaker 4: That meant the most you. I guess the favorite word

2722
02:30:45,000 --> 02:30:46,920
Speaker 4: is a.

2723
02:30:46,000 --> 02:30:48,360
Speaker 1: Are you one of those like I never looked back once,

2724
02:30:48,400 --> 02:30:50,280
Speaker 1: I'm looking towards the touchdown goal?

2725
02:30:50,440 --> 02:30:56,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, I said, I'm just I'm not doing this, okay, nothing, no,

2726
02:30:56,360 --> 02:30:59,720
Speaker 8: none of that, because I really believe if you stay

2727
02:30:59,720 --> 02:31:04,680
Speaker 8: in the state of evolution, you make change. I don't.

2728
02:31:04,800 --> 02:31:08,680
Speaker 8: I don't feel like I don't want to be stagnant.

2729
02:31:08,760 --> 02:31:14,080
Speaker 8: So therefore, I don't spend my time just reflecting on

2730
02:31:14,120 --> 02:31:16,920
Speaker 8: the roses. I smell them, but I don't sit back

2731
02:31:17,000 --> 02:31:20,320
Speaker 8: and look, you know at what I what I did.

2732
02:31:20,400 --> 02:31:22,240
Speaker 8: That's why I like now I can sit here and say,

2733
02:31:22,959 --> 02:31:25,840
Speaker 8: you know, when streaming started and uh, we had the

2734
02:31:25,879 --> 02:31:28,200
Speaker 8: first artist of stream a billion streams with fedtie wat.

2735
02:31:28,560 --> 02:31:30,400
Speaker 8: I can sit here today and say it got the

2736
02:31:30,440 --> 02:31:32,480
Speaker 8: number one rock record with high suspect. I see in

2737
02:31:32,560 --> 02:31:34,720
Speaker 8: the day and say I got Migos. I'd rather talk

2738
02:31:34,760 --> 02:31:36,440
Speaker 8: I say it and say I got a guy named

2739
02:31:36,480 --> 02:31:39,880
Speaker 8: young Doug. That's you know, putting out so many records

2740
02:31:39,879 --> 02:31:43,840
Speaker 8: that I can say all these things in a sense.

2741
02:31:44,120 --> 02:31:45,480
Speaker 8: But now if you want me to go back and

2742
02:31:45,520 --> 02:31:46,199
Speaker 8: talk about.

2743
02:31:45,959 --> 02:31:49,080
Speaker 4: It, we can talk about and how you managing and

2744
02:31:49,080 --> 02:31:50,959
Speaker 4: having labels at the same time and doing so much.

2745
02:31:51,120 --> 02:31:54,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, all that, But you know, I just really look

2746
02:31:54,200 --> 02:32:00,400
Speaker 8: forward to what God has prepared, you know. But I

2747
02:32:00,400 --> 02:32:02,400
Speaker 8: gotta work at it though, you know. I tell people,

2748
02:32:02,480 --> 02:32:04,520
Speaker 8: you really don't want it, if you're not willing to

2749
02:32:04,520 --> 02:32:07,160
Speaker 8: give up everything for it, really don't really don't want it.

2750
02:32:07,160 --> 02:32:09,360
Speaker 8: And a lot of kids today they don't want it.

2751
02:32:09,360 --> 02:32:11,560
Speaker 8: They act like they want it, but they don't want.

2752
02:32:11,400 --> 02:32:13,880
Speaker 2: It, they don't want it as and if they don't

2753
02:32:13,879 --> 02:32:15,160
Speaker 2: have the drive that you had.

2754
02:32:15,000 --> 02:32:19,080
Speaker 8: It's not about It's not about drive. I mean, see,

2755
02:32:19,240 --> 02:32:24,279
Speaker 8: I believe, I believe every day I'm I'm I'm trying

2756
02:32:24,280 --> 02:32:28,000
Speaker 8: to prove to you that I'm Michael Jordan every day

2757
02:32:28,120 --> 02:32:32,720
Speaker 8: still to this day, still Michael Jordan, still Michael Jordan,

2758
02:32:32,840 --> 02:32:38,720
Speaker 8: not not no, not coach, no, no, Michael Jordan's I play.

2759
02:32:38,800 --> 02:32:41,040
Speaker 8: I play okay, I play hard.

2760
02:32:41,640 --> 02:32:44,280
Speaker 1: So in your world like it's not about okay, Well,

2761
02:32:44,480 --> 02:32:47,840
Speaker 1: you know I should be in coach position or even

2762
02:32:47,879 --> 02:32:49,039
Speaker 1: owner position.

2763
02:32:48,959 --> 02:32:55,680
Speaker 8: Or what's funny? Is you gotta I own a piece

2764
02:32:55,720 --> 02:33:00,520
Speaker 8: of death jam at twenty eight, I don't know what

2765
02:33:00,600 --> 02:33:01,840
Speaker 8: I don't know what it is not to be owner.

2766
02:33:02,320 --> 02:33:06,960
Speaker 8: I own Warner Music Group, I own three hundred you know,

2767
02:33:07,879 --> 02:33:09,880
Speaker 8: I don't know our own kW I don't know what

2768
02:33:09,879 --> 02:33:11,720
Speaker 8: it is not to own, So I don't. I don't,

2769
02:33:12,280 --> 02:33:14,680
Speaker 8: but I don't know what I would do if I did,

2770
02:33:14,800 --> 02:33:15,320
Speaker 8: couldn't play?

2771
02:33:16,840 --> 02:33:19,280
Speaker 4: Do you think your journey could exist in twenty seventeen

2772
02:33:19,360 --> 02:33:22,080
Speaker 4: like the way did you started your journey? Continued your journey.

2773
02:33:21,840 --> 02:33:26,440
Speaker 1: Like right now that's still at your office making sure

2774
02:33:26,440 --> 02:33:31,160
Speaker 1: that so ten years from now.

2775
02:33:31,280 --> 02:33:31,760
Speaker 2: We're going to.

2776
02:33:33,240 --> 02:33:34,880
Speaker 8: Now. I got I got a lot of a lot

2777
02:33:34,959 --> 02:33:38,280
Speaker 8: of young kids who I feel like, do.

2778
02:33:38,280 --> 02:33:42,800
Speaker 2: You feel millennials even have that drive at all?

2779
02:33:43,360 --> 02:33:45,920
Speaker 8: I think some do. I think some do. Think you

2780
02:33:45,959 --> 02:33:50,080
Speaker 8: find the right ones. I think CJ's one. I think

2781
02:33:50,120 --> 02:33:51,960
Speaker 8: I got another kid in my office who was like

2782
02:33:52,040 --> 02:33:56,560
Speaker 8: the third person that out of Google class and interns.

2783
02:33:57,040 --> 02:34:01,240
Speaker 8: I think Ash is one. I think I got another

2784
02:34:01,320 --> 02:34:04,520
Speaker 8: marketing person named Raina who's I mean, they're there, you

2785
02:34:04,520 --> 02:34:09,320
Speaker 8: know what I mean. But what happened quest is that

2786
02:34:09,520 --> 02:34:13,160
Speaker 8: there's a period of time in our culture where mentorship

2787
02:34:15,040 --> 02:34:18,400
Speaker 8: was lost because everybody, everybody got everybody got scared for

2788
02:34:18,440 --> 02:34:21,640
Speaker 8: their jobs, got selfish, and they got selfish and so.

2789
02:34:23,120 --> 02:34:25,280
Speaker 2: And it's it's called flexing.

2790
02:34:26,520 --> 02:34:29,880
Speaker 8: The only reason I came reason I came back like

2791
02:34:29,879 --> 02:34:35,800
Speaker 8: like like I have it is because I don't need

2792
02:34:36,120 --> 02:34:39,200
Speaker 8: If you look at it, all of the diversity and

2793
02:34:39,480 --> 02:34:41,600
Speaker 8: the music business and things like that, there's not enough

2794
02:34:41,600 --> 02:34:45,560
Speaker 8: of us and and and But I tell people, you

2795
02:34:45,680 --> 02:34:48,880
Speaker 8: got to be prepared for the moment. And being prepared

2796
02:34:48,920 --> 02:34:50,680
Speaker 8: for the moment is making sure you the best you,

2797
02:34:51,000 --> 02:34:54,360
Speaker 8: and you're having the biggest value proposition. And a lot

2798
02:34:54,360 --> 02:34:57,199
Speaker 8: of kids that's wasn't there, And so I demand excellence.

2799
02:34:57,200 --> 02:34:59,240
Speaker 4: Your teaching and you just use that phrase twice and

2800
02:34:59,240 --> 02:35:01,680
Speaker 4: it's this wholes Can you say that again? The value

2801
02:35:01,680 --> 02:35:04,360
Speaker 4: people say stuff they don't know what it is, and

2802
02:35:04,400 --> 02:35:04,840
Speaker 4: that's kind.

2803
02:35:04,760 --> 02:35:06,320
Speaker 8: Of deep, but you just so I believe there's a

2804
02:35:06,400 --> 02:35:09,640
Speaker 8: value publish proposition on both sides. People who come to me,

2805
02:35:09,879 --> 02:35:11,280
Speaker 8: can you give me a job? I said no, but

2806
02:35:11,320 --> 02:35:15,120
Speaker 8: you can create a position with me. What's your value proposition.

2807
02:35:15,480 --> 02:35:16,840
Speaker 8: I'm not gonna pay you what You're going to create

2808
02:35:16,879 --> 02:35:19,600
Speaker 8: your position and create your position and then we'll talk

2809
02:35:19,640 --> 02:35:20,039
Speaker 8: about it.

2810
02:35:20,120 --> 02:35:27,760
Speaker 1: So if someone with the gravity ties and nerve that

2811
02:35:28,120 --> 02:35:31,680
Speaker 1: Rockefeller had, when I guess they told you guys.

2812
02:35:31,400 --> 02:35:42,520
Speaker 8: Like Dame had, not Rockefeller, Okay, but no, no, no, no, no,

2813
02:35:43,240 --> 02:35:48,080
Speaker 8: in the way of saying everybody had that role. That

2814
02:35:48,160 --> 02:35:50,720
Speaker 8: was it, that was his role and he played well.

2815
02:35:51,120 --> 02:35:53,640
Speaker 2: Oh okay, well no, no, no again.

2816
02:35:54,000 --> 02:35:57,000
Speaker 1: A lot of this, I'm just going on folklore that

2817
02:35:57,240 --> 02:36:00,320
Speaker 1: you know, you always hear stories of, and I just remember,

2818
02:36:00,720 --> 02:36:02,480
Speaker 1: at or at least what I was told was that

2819
02:36:02,879 --> 02:36:06,920
Speaker 1: when they had the initial death Jam meeting, it was like, no,

2820
02:36:07,080 --> 02:36:10,800
Speaker 1: we want to be our own label, not just to

2821
02:36:10,840 --> 02:36:11,480
Speaker 1: be an artist.

2822
02:36:11,760 --> 02:36:14,959
Speaker 8: J Damon Biggs came to my office. IRV said, Yo,

2823
02:36:15,040 --> 02:36:17,160
Speaker 8: y'all want to get your records played, you gotta go

2824
02:36:17,160 --> 02:36:21,160
Speaker 8: see Kevin Lows okay. And so they came to my

2825
02:36:21,200 --> 02:36:26,039
Speaker 8: office with a bag of money, a brown paper bag

2826
02:36:27,080 --> 02:36:31,960
Speaker 8: and whoa. I said, Yo, let me hate the music.

2827
02:36:32,000 --> 02:36:33,400
Speaker 8: You know, I just want to know. I know life

2828
02:36:33,440 --> 02:36:35,039
Speaker 8: that I heard you know in my lifetime, said let

2829
02:36:35,080 --> 02:36:37,680
Speaker 8: me the music. So I said, Yo, why don't you

2830
02:36:37,680 --> 02:36:41,800
Speaker 8: try to sign hit? Jay said, we Rockefeller?

2831
02:36:43,480 --> 02:36:43,760
Speaker 4: Cool?

2832
02:36:45,320 --> 02:36:48,360
Speaker 8: All right, cool? So, but Yo, we should stay in touch.

2833
02:36:48,520 --> 02:36:50,720
Speaker 8: And I helped them get the record on the radio,

2834
02:36:51,200 --> 02:36:52,920
Speaker 8: and then they did the record with Foxy and we

2835
02:36:52,920 --> 02:36:55,520
Speaker 8: put that on Rush Hour soundtrack, the first one in

2836
02:36:55,520 --> 02:36:56,279
Speaker 8: the rest is history.

2837
02:36:58,120 --> 02:37:01,359
Speaker 2: That's really that's though, because.

2838
02:37:01,360 --> 02:37:04,400
Speaker 8: That's listen another time he said it. When we all

2839
02:37:04,400 --> 02:37:08,720
Speaker 8: went to the Warner Music Group, Jay said, Yo.

2840
02:37:09,000 --> 02:37:11,360
Speaker 1: And how did y'all get him to agree to that?

2841
02:37:13,360 --> 02:37:14,959
Speaker 1: He Kevin's all smiles.

2842
02:37:15,000 --> 02:37:17,880
Speaker 8: Now, No, it's it's when you it's when you always

2843
02:37:17,879 --> 02:37:22,760
Speaker 8: think it a greater good. So, when Jay had the

2844
02:37:22,760 --> 02:37:25,880
Speaker 8: opportunity to work with us again, because he got did

2845
02:37:25,879 --> 02:37:28,720
Speaker 8: the whole lot next thing, finished his commitment there, he

2846
02:37:28,800 --> 02:37:31,320
Speaker 8: brought his album over to us at Atlantic.

2847
02:37:32,360 --> 02:37:37,400
Speaker 2: Which the Kingdom come or the UH part three Blueprint

2848
02:37:37,480 --> 02:37:38,039
Speaker 2: Blueprint three.

2849
02:37:38,080 --> 02:37:41,280
Speaker 8: Okay, And and he didn't have to do that. He

2850
02:37:41,320 --> 02:37:43,520
Speaker 8: could have did it anywhere in the world, but he chose.

2851
02:37:44,040 --> 02:37:44,680
Speaker 2: He could have.

2852
02:37:45,200 --> 02:37:46,880
Speaker 8: You know, he could have did it anywhere in the world.

2853
02:37:46,959 --> 02:37:51,039
Speaker 8: And the reality of it was that's because of the

2854
02:37:51,080 --> 02:37:53,320
Speaker 8: greater good, you know, man, and I believe we all

2855
02:37:53,360 --> 02:37:56,400
Speaker 8: work together again. And I believe I'm now with Lee

2856
02:37:56,480 --> 02:37:58,680
Speaker 8: or at YouTube, there's gonna be a lot of opportunity

2857
02:37:58,879 --> 02:38:02,160
Speaker 8: for more things to happen, and our culture is going

2858
02:38:02,200 --> 02:38:03,960
Speaker 8: to even continue to grow more.

2859
02:38:04,680 --> 02:38:06,920
Speaker 1: I just want to wrap up to where you are now,

2860
02:38:06,959 --> 02:38:11,720
Speaker 1: which is of course between kW L and three hundred entertainment.

2861
02:38:14,440 --> 02:38:16,560
Speaker 2: Why would you want to be a manager?

2862
02:38:18,520 --> 02:38:25,320
Speaker 1: Which means that I'm certain that your phone are ringing

2863
02:38:26,160 --> 02:38:32,160
Speaker 1: off that CJ's already confirming. Do you dread when the

2864
02:38:32,200 --> 02:38:35,959
Speaker 1: phone rings between eleven?

2865
02:38:36,320 --> 02:38:40,520
Speaker 2: I'm sure you have a batphone, that batphone, which is like, do.

2866
02:38:40,600 --> 02:38:44,080
Speaker 1: Not call this phone unless it's an emerged right, Okay,

2867
02:38:44,600 --> 02:38:46,400
Speaker 1: you always showed me all forty two billions.

2868
02:38:47,120 --> 02:38:49,959
Speaker 2: So when phone number three rings at.

2869
02:38:49,800 --> 02:38:51,280
Speaker 8: Two in the morning, that's in a call.

2870
02:38:52,440 --> 02:38:57,959
Speaker 2: Are you is there tremors? Are are you?

2871
02:38:58,080 --> 02:39:02,800
Speaker 8: Like? Oh God, so where I'm at in my life? People? Now,

2872
02:39:02,800 --> 02:39:05,400
Speaker 8: I have a eighteen year old, sixteen year old, five

2873
02:39:05,480 --> 02:39:10,119
Speaker 8: year old, two year old, I have a wife. I'm

2874
02:39:10,120 --> 02:39:15,080
Speaker 8: not answering the phone at a certain time, but it's

2875
02:39:15,080 --> 02:39:17,440
Speaker 8: out of respect. But I make sure before I lay

2876
02:39:17,480 --> 02:39:21,280
Speaker 8: down that everything's done. It's not an issue. And if

2877
02:39:21,280 --> 02:39:23,440
Speaker 8: I do get a four o'clock in the morning call

2878
02:39:23,480 --> 02:39:29,760
Speaker 8: like I did last week, yeah, okay, it's already handled

2879
02:39:29,760 --> 02:39:33,480
Speaker 8: to a point that I just got to give the blessing,

2880
02:39:33,800 --> 02:39:36,200
Speaker 8: you know, because I got people of a company. It's

2881
02:39:36,200 --> 02:39:37,080
Speaker 8: not just just me.

2882
02:39:37,160 --> 02:39:39,760
Speaker 2: I have people who are You're at the top of

2883
02:39:39,760 --> 02:39:40,720
Speaker 2: the very.

2884
02:39:40,600 --> 02:39:43,800
Speaker 8: Competent an and I have to just say I don't

2885
02:39:44,280 --> 02:39:45,960
Speaker 8: I never wanted to manage. I don't even feel like

2886
02:39:46,000 --> 02:39:47,480
Speaker 8: I managed right now.

2887
02:39:47,520 --> 02:39:49,360
Speaker 1: You don't want to manage. You didn't want to be president,

2888
02:39:49,440 --> 02:39:52,400
Speaker 1: you didn't want to want artist. What do you want

2889
02:39:52,400 --> 02:39:53,360
Speaker 1: to do, Kevin Lowlson?

2890
02:39:55,959 --> 02:39:57,840
Speaker 8: Okay, let me tell you really want to do. I

2891
02:39:57,879 --> 02:40:01,320
Speaker 8: want to change people's lives, and right now I'm doing

2892
02:40:01,320 --> 02:40:01,920
Speaker 8: it through music.

2893
02:40:03,800 --> 02:40:06,199
Speaker 2: I can't accept that it's good because.

2894
02:40:05,959 --> 02:40:08,280
Speaker 8: The truth, that's all I want to do, and I really,

2895
02:40:08,440 --> 02:40:11,480
Speaker 8: honestly I tell you and then we can wrap up.

2896
02:40:11,480 --> 02:40:13,720
Speaker 8: So when I left for Warner Music Group, I was

2897
02:40:13,760 --> 02:40:16,440
Speaker 8: done with the business. I said, I don't I said,

2898
02:40:16,800 --> 02:40:20,080
Speaker 8: you don't want to sign Chris Brown. You're trying to

2899
02:40:20,120 --> 02:40:23,360
Speaker 8: tell me about you want to get rid of this artist.

2900
02:40:23,400 --> 02:40:25,640
Speaker 8: I said, yeah, I can't do that. So I'm an

2901
02:40:25,640 --> 02:40:28,440
Speaker 8: EXECTI vice president, So I don't have a label. I'm

2902
02:40:28,760 --> 02:40:32,720
Speaker 8: the whole company, you know. And I said, I think

2903
02:40:32,720 --> 02:40:35,720
Speaker 8: it's the business is about the change. I think I

2904
02:40:35,720 --> 02:40:37,760
Speaker 8: should look at the new business model. Takes some time off.

2905
02:40:37,879 --> 02:40:42,240
Speaker 8: And so I worked out something with Warner and for

2906
02:40:42,640 --> 02:40:45,360
Speaker 8: you know, three years, and everything's great. My whole crew

2907
02:40:45,400 --> 02:40:49,440
Speaker 8: there and everything. And I met this kid, Trey while

2908
02:40:49,480 --> 02:40:51,680
Speaker 8: I was there. He said, yo, I got rid of

2909
02:40:51,760 --> 02:40:56,000
Speaker 8: my manager. I said, so, who's your manager? He said Delante.

2910
02:40:56,040 --> 02:40:58,800
Speaker 8: I said, Delante was my first intern ever in the

2911
02:40:58,879 --> 02:41:02,800
Speaker 8: music business. He said, what's the problem. Well, well, I said, yo,

2912
02:41:03,080 --> 02:41:04,680
Speaker 8: He said, keV, I want you to man. I said, yo,

2913
02:41:04,680 --> 02:41:06,560
Speaker 8: I'm not manager. I'm not waking up telling you I'm

2914
02:41:06,560 --> 02:41:08,720
Speaker 8: not doing nothing that we are y'all talking about management.

2915
02:41:09,480 --> 02:41:13,800
Speaker 8: And I said, but go out and talk to everybody

2916
02:41:14,520 --> 02:41:16,240
Speaker 8: and then come back and talk to me. And let's

2917
02:41:16,240 --> 02:41:21,039
Speaker 8: make a decision. So his mom calls me and says,

2918
02:41:22,640 --> 02:41:26,879
Speaker 8: I am keV. My son don't want a manager. He

2919
02:41:26,920 --> 02:41:29,720
Speaker 8: wants you. He said. He looks at you as a

2920
02:41:29,840 --> 02:41:35,600
Speaker 8: father figure. I said, oh jeez, no he didn't. He

2921
02:41:35,600 --> 02:41:38,800
Speaker 8: didn't call me, he said. So then he called and said, yo,

2922
02:41:42,080 --> 02:41:44,160
Speaker 8: I promise you. I'm gonna do whatever I need to

2923
02:41:44,200 --> 02:41:47,240
Speaker 8: do to be and I'm not going to act up.

2924
02:41:48,040 --> 02:41:49,320
Speaker 8: You know what I mean? I said, I don't think

2925
02:41:49,320 --> 02:41:50,640
Speaker 8: you're going to act up. I said, but you got

2926
02:41:50,640 --> 02:41:53,359
Speaker 8: to understand it's really you have to be my partner.

2927
02:41:53,680 --> 02:41:56,320
Speaker 8: I'm not your manager. Really, I'm your partner, and we're

2928
02:41:56,320 --> 02:41:59,640
Speaker 8: gonna have to figure it out. And so I agreed

2929
02:41:59,680 --> 02:42:02,160
Speaker 8: to do that. And then ten thousand other people called.

2930
02:42:02,480 --> 02:42:06,680
Speaker 8: But that was out of necessity. Our friend was out

2931
02:42:06,680 --> 02:42:08,840
Speaker 8: of necessity. It wasn't not it was I didn't I

2932
02:42:08,840 --> 02:42:10,840
Speaker 8: say I want to man it. It was out of necessity.

2933
02:42:10,879 --> 02:42:13,640
Speaker 1: I was about to say, what can we do to

2934
02:42:13,720 --> 02:42:19,400
Speaker 1: not make d'angelo's fourth album come out in twenty thirty seven?

2935
02:42:19,560 --> 02:42:22,920
Speaker 8: Right label love? Man, I can just I can be

2936
02:42:23,000 --> 02:42:23,680
Speaker 8: honest with you.

2937
02:42:25,080 --> 02:42:27,440
Speaker 1: I know it's frustrating, you know, and then you see

2938
02:42:27,440 --> 02:42:29,240
Speaker 1: it perform and it's like all's forgiven.

2939
02:42:30,280 --> 02:42:30,720
Speaker 2: This is me.

2940
02:42:31,080 --> 02:42:35,680
Speaker 8: He wanted us listen, relationship, right, it's like a relationship.

2941
02:42:35,680 --> 02:42:37,840
Speaker 8: He's one of those I can say, listen, whether he

2942
02:42:37,879 --> 02:42:42,640
Speaker 8: makes ten albums, five albums, two albums, for whatever he

2943
02:42:42,720 --> 02:42:45,680
Speaker 8: decides to make, it'll be Danzel. It's only one of those.

2944
02:42:46,080 --> 02:42:49,000
Speaker 8: And that's how I feel about it. And it's out

2945
02:42:49,000 --> 02:42:51,039
Speaker 8: of necessity. That's my brother, you know what I mean.

2946
02:42:51,040 --> 02:42:55,080
Speaker 8: That's somebody who like, I'm gonna be there for him,

2947
02:42:55,240 --> 02:42:58,600
Speaker 8: you know, whether he's writing music, performing, whatever he's doing,

2948
02:42:58,600 --> 02:43:00,080
Speaker 8: I'm gonna be there for him. This is right, but

2949
02:43:00,160 --> 02:43:03,040
Speaker 8: stayed right. But but again it's out of necessity. That

2950
02:43:03,160 --> 02:43:05,400
Speaker 8: was out of necessity. I have some acts that I

2951
02:43:05,560 --> 02:43:07,360
Speaker 8: do because they want to beat but they all want

2952
02:43:07,400 --> 02:43:09,920
Speaker 8: to beat me for different reasons, and so it's out

2953
02:43:09,920 --> 02:43:11,000
Speaker 8: of necessity, you know.

2954
02:43:11,120 --> 02:43:13,160
Speaker 2: With that, Who are the acts that you manage? Now?

2955
02:43:15,560 --> 02:43:21,000
Speaker 8: P and B Rock Philly Shout out to Philly. Shout

2956
02:43:21,000 --> 02:43:25,280
Speaker 8: out to P and B. Do you still have l No,

2957
02:43:25,600 --> 02:43:27,280
Speaker 8: don't have her? K Michelle?

2958
02:43:29,840 --> 02:43:30,200
Speaker 2: Who else?

2959
02:43:30,240 --> 02:43:37,040
Speaker 8: I well, Wes Walker from another Philly white rap who

2960
02:43:38,200 --> 02:43:42,880
Speaker 8: Charles Jenkins Big Pastor out of Chicago. Shout out to Charles.

2961
02:43:42,920 --> 02:43:48,240
Speaker 8: I'm forgetting somebody. I'm forgetting somebody, really, oh, London on

2962
02:43:48,240 --> 02:43:53,600
Speaker 8: the track and if I forgot you, I'm sorry, it's late.

2963
02:43:54,480 --> 02:43:55,560
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

2964
02:43:55,600 --> 02:43:58,760
Speaker 1: Well, I thank you very much. Give it up for

2965
02:43:58,840 --> 02:43:59,360
Speaker 1: our guests.

2966
02:44:00,840 --> 02:44:06,119
Speaker 2: Kevin le the guru, the guru.

2967
02:44:06,840 --> 02:44:08,920
Speaker 8: I'm gonna take that, though I might that may be my.

2968
02:44:10,520 --> 02:44:12,520
Speaker 1: I can't be the first person that ever called.

2969
02:44:12,360 --> 02:44:17,560
Speaker 8: You a guru. Russell called me a priest. Wow. Rare

2970
02:44:17,959 --> 02:44:21,039
Speaker 8: calls me the covenor instead of the governor. That because

2971
02:44:21,080 --> 02:44:25,200
Speaker 8: I cover everybody, but you you the first guru definitely.

2972
02:44:25,280 --> 02:44:25,560
Speaker 2: Wow.

2973
02:44:25,760 --> 02:44:26,600
Speaker 8: Oh. Russell called me.

2974
02:44:26,600 --> 02:44:31,760
Speaker 1: Buddha now or fifteen years ago?

2975
02:44:32,240 --> 02:44:35,160
Speaker 8: Now, okay, yeah, he said, he said, you don't have

2976
02:44:35,200 --> 02:44:38,800
Speaker 8: to I have to meditate because I have to meditate.

2977
02:44:38,840 --> 02:44:39,959
Speaker 8: I said, you don't have to. He said, you don't

2978
02:44:39,959 --> 02:44:42,200
Speaker 8: have to meditate. You just nice. I said, yeah, I

2979
02:44:42,200 --> 02:44:43,160
Speaker 8: said okay, cool.

2980
02:44:44,240 --> 02:44:47,480
Speaker 1: Well, much success to you, man. I appreciate your energy

2981
02:44:47,520 --> 02:44:51,360
Speaker 1: and and and and your your wisdom and your insight.

2982
02:44:51,440 --> 02:44:53,440
Speaker 8: Thank you very much, man, Thank you, guys, bless you off.

2983
02:44:54,400 --> 02:44:54,680
Speaker 2: Thank you.

2984
02:44:55,240 --> 02:44:58,800
Speaker 1: That was a very enlightening and positive. Do you think

2985
02:44:58,879 --> 02:45:01,760
Speaker 1: we will just get one person to tell us the

2986
02:45:01,800 --> 02:45:06,359
Speaker 1: most debauchery death jam stories of all time he was about.

2987
02:45:06,080 --> 02:45:07,840
Speaker 6: To did you notice that he was He was getting

2988
02:45:07,920 --> 02:45:10,440
Speaker 6: up to one, and then we changed the subject. He was, yeah,

2989
02:45:10,680 --> 02:45:11,160
Speaker 6: I thought he.

2990
02:45:11,160 --> 02:45:14,160
Speaker 2: Was gonna there was he he was.

2991
02:45:14,760 --> 02:45:16,240
Speaker 6: What he said was like Solomon Moore. It was like

2992
02:45:16,240 --> 02:45:18,880
Speaker 6: bla and then someone sets up else. It was like now'

2993
02:45:18,920 --> 02:45:23,760
Speaker 6: not yeah, And I have fish for lunch and fish

2994
02:45:23,800 --> 02:45:26,400
Speaker 6: for dinner and fish legs.

2995
02:45:27,560 --> 02:45:34,160
Speaker 2: On my home ele vegetables smells of rich vegetables.

2996
02:45:34,280 --> 02:45:37,240
Speaker 1: I was praying to ask if he remembered the little

2997
02:45:37,240 --> 02:45:41,680
Speaker 1: brother period of was that That.

2998
02:45:41,680 --> 02:45:44,200
Speaker 2: Was my first time meeting him. That was my first time.

2999
02:45:44,480 --> 02:45:46,200
Speaker 2: But I mean, but a lot of what he was saying,

3000
02:45:46,440 --> 02:45:49,039
Speaker 2: you know, and and even you know, to back up

3001
02:45:49,040 --> 02:45:52,760
Speaker 2: what he was saying, you know, for for all into

3002
02:45:52,800 --> 02:45:54,480
Speaker 2: the purposes. I mean, they let us make the album

3003
02:45:54,520 --> 02:45:57,080
Speaker 2: we wanted to make. I mean, that album, regardless of

3004
02:45:57,120 --> 02:46:00,120
Speaker 2: what it did, you know, financially, uh number for to

3005
02:46:00,160 --> 02:46:03,120
Speaker 2: the mental show. You know, that record came straight out

3006
02:46:03,200 --> 02:46:06,160
Speaker 2: of our hard drives to the world. And I don't

3007
02:46:06,200 --> 02:46:08,720
Speaker 2: know if too many artists who can really say that,

3008
02:46:08,920 --> 02:46:11,360
Speaker 2: you know, certainly at that time, you know what I mean,

3009
02:46:12,480 --> 02:46:15,600
Speaker 2: you know, we that album came out exactly the way

3010
02:46:15,720 --> 02:46:18,600
Speaker 2: we envisioned it and so uh, you know, they were

3011
02:46:18,680 --> 02:46:21,160
Speaker 2: always album cover. It's of an album. We had to

3012
02:46:21,240 --> 02:46:23,879
Speaker 2: change some of the album cover. But but other than that,

3013
02:46:24,040 --> 02:46:27,320
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, they were very They let us do us,

3014
02:46:27,360 --> 02:46:29,640
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So I always be thankful

3015
02:46:29,760 --> 02:46:35,720
Speaker 2: to uh, keV and Julie and Craig. I like to

3016
02:46:35,720 --> 02:46:38,200
Speaker 2: get on on on the show. I think Julie would

3017
02:46:38,200 --> 02:46:39,800
Speaker 2: be real, raight. I think Julie would be the one

3018
02:46:39,800 --> 02:46:42,840
Speaker 2: that will be She would she would give it up wrong.

3019
02:46:43,200 --> 02:46:45,280
Speaker 2: I don't know everybody else now is like doing yoga

3020
02:46:45,320 --> 02:46:49,119
Speaker 2: and ship. I think Julie. I think Julia would go in.

3021
02:46:49,320 --> 02:46:54,280
Speaker 2: Did I ask you what you learned? Oh no, Kevin Lyles,

3022
02:46:54,320 --> 02:46:59,039
Speaker 2: what I learned? I learned that to me, the most

3023
02:46:59,120 --> 02:47:00,640
Speaker 2: the people that are a lot of times that are

3024
02:47:00,720 --> 02:47:03,080
Speaker 2: most successful in the business. You know, when he talks

3025
02:47:03,080 --> 02:47:05,800
Speaker 2: about just wanting to add value to things, that's something

3026
02:47:05,800 --> 02:47:08,640
Speaker 2: that's very amiable. That's something that I've always kind of

3027
02:47:09,360 --> 02:47:11,280
Speaker 2: tried to live my life by and that if I

3028
02:47:11,280 --> 02:47:13,680
Speaker 2: don't think I can make something better, it doesn't have

3029
02:47:13,680 --> 02:47:17,040
Speaker 2: anything to do with the money or you know whatever.

3030
02:47:17,200 --> 02:47:18,720
Speaker 2: It's just like, if I don't think I can make

3031
02:47:18,760 --> 02:47:21,760
Speaker 2: this better, then your check really don't mean nothing, you

3032
02:47:21,760 --> 02:47:24,320
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Because if I'm not adding some

3033
02:47:24,440 --> 02:47:26,520
Speaker 2: kind of value to it that I know only I

3034
02:47:26,520 --> 02:47:29,800
Speaker 2: can add, then you know I'm doing you a disservice

3035
02:47:29,840 --> 02:47:31,560
Speaker 2: by taking the money, and I'm just gonna end up

3036
02:47:31,600 --> 02:47:34,080
Speaker 2: making us both look bad. So that was something that

3037
02:47:34,120 --> 02:47:37,000
Speaker 2: really ranged out to me, and also to just a

3038
02:47:37,080 --> 02:47:39,480
Speaker 2: thing of him just kind of not really playing for

3039
02:47:39,480 --> 02:47:42,400
Speaker 2: the paper, but just playing for the position, agreeing to say, hey,

3040
02:47:42,520 --> 02:47:45,400
Speaker 2: I'll drive Houdini because of what that's going to mean.

3041
02:47:45,520 --> 02:47:47,840
Speaker 2: Not necessarily. There may not be a big payoff in

3042
02:47:47,879 --> 02:47:50,360
Speaker 2: it for me immediately, but it may pay off for

3043
02:47:50,440 --> 02:47:52,199
Speaker 2: me down the line and him even.

3044
02:47:52,400 --> 02:47:55,040
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to digest that though you mean what

3045
02:47:55,080 --> 02:47:58,240
Speaker 1: you mean in what way? Well, I mean, I had

3046
02:47:58,280 --> 02:48:02,600
Speaker 1: no reason to believe that. You know, he's fibbing to me, right.

3047
02:48:02,720 --> 02:48:06,080
Speaker 2: But that's a rare character trait to.

3048
02:48:07,680 --> 02:48:12,200
Speaker 1: Uh, I don't know, to be so prepared and so

3049
02:48:13,680 --> 02:48:17,679
Speaker 1: willing to work and so on time, and so resourceful

3050
02:48:18,879 --> 02:48:23,640
Speaker 1: and so ready without a destination or endgame or even

3051
02:48:23,640 --> 02:48:24,160
Speaker 1: a dream.

3052
02:48:24,600 --> 02:48:26,720
Speaker 14: Well, I think he said one of the things he

3053
02:48:26,760 --> 02:48:28,640
Speaker 14: said was that he wanted to be the best at

3054
02:48:28,720 --> 02:48:31,039
Speaker 14: whatever he was whatever, It wasn't necessarily like he was

3055
02:48:31,080 --> 02:48:33,120
Speaker 14: looking for the touchdown. It was just like, if this

3056
02:48:33,160 --> 02:48:34,800
Speaker 14: is who I am, then I'm going to be the

3057
02:48:34,800 --> 02:48:35,520
Speaker 14: best at it.

3058
02:48:36,440 --> 02:48:43,800
Speaker 2: That's the same because you have aspirations.

3059
02:48:43,879 --> 02:48:47,360
Speaker 4: No, it's just somebody else's story, just a journey different.

3060
02:48:47,760 --> 02:48:51,160
Speaker 1: Does that make me a bad person? If I see

3061
02:48:51,200 --> 02:48:54,440
Speaker 1: a monetary landing at the end of this.

3062
02:48:54,440 --> 02:48:57,040
Speaker 4: Leap, it doesn't make you a bad person. But at

3063
02:48:57,080 --> 02:49:00,280
Speaker 4: some point it's got to be something else. And I'm

3064
02:49:00,320 --> 02:49:01,920
Speaker 4: with you on that. More than money.

3065
02:49:01,959 --> 02:49:03,600
Speaker 2: It's got because after a while, it's like.

3066
02:49:03,920 --> 02:49:06,200
Speaker 4: Kevin and helping his people and going to more, you know,

3067
02:49:06,240 --> 02:49:08,800
Speaker 4: going to Morgan, being in Baltimore, being available, Like what

3068
02:49:08,920 --> 02:49:09,200
Speaker 4: is that?

3069
02:49:09,280 --> 02:49:09,520
Speaker 2: Money?

3070
02:49:09,520 --> 02:49:10,720
Speaker 4: Don't feed your soul.

3071
02:49:10,520 --> 02:49:16,800
Speaker 1: But James Brown says Republican James Brown says in soul

3072
02:49:16,879 --> 02:49:18,959
Speaker 1: power and deliberated broke.

3073
02:49:19,440 --> 02:49:21,360
Speaker 4: Well, you can do both though. That's what Kevin Lowles

3074
02:49:21,440 --> 02:49:23,480
Speaker 4: is doing. That's what Richard Branson is doing.

3075
02:49:23,520 --> 02:49:25,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to change lives too, but I definitely

3076
02:49:25,840 --> 02:49:35,320
Speaker 1: know that ain't nothing going on but the rent. Okay,

3077
02:49:35,760 --> 02:49:37,160
Speaker 1: what any other bill?

3078
02:49:38,680 --> 02:49:40,000
Speaker 2: What did you learn this episode?

3079
02:49:40,040 --> 02:49:46,720
Speaker 6: What I learned to two things? Kevin Leles, Yes, that's

3080
02:49:47,560 --> 02:49:49,840
Speaker 6: there is that which goes off what you were saying.

3081
02:49:49,879 --> 02:49:52,480
Speaker 6: It's like, it's like you all getting to the room

3082
02:49:52,520 --> 02:49:54,039
Speaker 6: for reason, right, you have a talent or you're in

3083
02:49:54,080 --> 02:49:55,560
Speaker 6: the room for reason, but you stay in the room

3084
02:49:55,640 --> 02:49:57,400
Speaker 6: because you're fun to hang around with. That's like, I

3085
02:49:57,440 --> 02:49:59,400
Speaker 6: feel like that's about everything, And that was kind of

3086
02:49:59,400 --> 02:50:01,199
Speaker 6: what he was getting. He's like, he's a nice guy

3087
02:50:01,800 --> 02:50:03,640
Speaker 6: and like he would do all this ship and do

3088
02:50:03,680 --> 02:50:06,120
Speaker 6: all this crazy stuff, but he succeeded at the end

3089
02:50:06,160 --> 02:50:08,640
Speaker 6: of the day so profoundly because he's a good dude.

3090
02:50:08,720 --> 02:50:11,080
Speaker 6: He's just like a he's not an asshole. And secondly,

3091
02:50:11,200 --> 02:50:13,200
Speaker 6: he kept on saying stuff about storytelling, which I thought

3092
02:50:13,280 --> 02:50:15,280
Speaker 6: was interesting, which we were disagreeingb on, which is like

3093
02:50:15,320 --> 02:50:17,680
Speaker 6: East Coast versus West Coast, Like it wasn't that one

3094
02:50:17,720 --> 02:50:20,120
Speaker 6: thing ended and another thing began. It's just it's just

3095
02:50:20,160 --> 02:50:22,680
Speaker 6: that's where it was. And because I feel like I

3096
02:50:22,720 --> 02:50:24,480
Speaker 6: was thinking about this as he was saying this, it

3097
02:50:24,520 --> 02:50:26,680
Speaker 6: is like our life is like that, Like you're in

3098
02:50:26,760 --> 02:50:28,440
Speaker 6: we were into the Hamilton thing for a minute, and

3099
02:50:28,440 --> 02:50:29,960
Speaker 6: now that's kind of you know, it's not it's still

3100
02:50:30,000 --> 02:50:31,680
Speaker 6: this thing, but it goes away and then something else

3101
02:50:31,760 --> 02:50:33,320
Speaker 6: kind of pops up. You just kind of follow around

3102
02:50:33,360 --> 02:50:37,480
Speaker 6: this thing and just hope that you can attach yourself

3103
02:50:37,480 --> 02:50:38,880
Speaker 6: to the pulse of it as long as you can,

3104
02:50:38,959 --> 02:50:39,920
Speaker 6: because that's what we're doing.

3105
02:50:39,959 --> 02:50:42,360
Speaker 2: That's artistry, whatever we're doing, you know, And that's I

3106
02:50:42,360 --> 02:50:44,360
Speaker 2: thought that was. You just keep working, Yeah, you just

3107
02:50:44,480 --> 02:50:44,960
Speaker 2: just keep working.

3108
02:50:45,040 --> 02:50:47,640
Speaker 6: Career, just have yes, But but our career is based

3109
02:50:47,640 --> 02:50:49,440
Speaker 6: on the fucking weirdest thing in the world.

3110
02:50:49,640 --> 02:50:50,120
Speaker 8: Like so.

3111
02:50:51,640 --> 02:50:59,280
Speaker 1: Would Learne large Margie.

3112
02:50:57,800 --> 02:50:59,240
Speaker 2: Large large.

3113
02:51:00,959 --> 02:51:05,520
Speaker 4: All right, yeah, no, minus short, I just learned it.

3114
02:51:05,560 --> 02:51:07,640
Speaker 4: I guess you really can be a good guy in

3115
02:51:07,680 --> 02:51:10,440
Speaker 4: his business. Although I'm still waiting for a bad story

3116
02:51:10,440 --> 02:51:12,880
Speaker 4: about Kevin Lows because it's so hard to believe that

3117
02:51:13,040 --> 02:51:15,480
Speaker 4: you can be a good cop. Like that's amazing.

3118
02:51:15,600 --> 02:51:20,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right, like that's amazing.

3119
02:51:20,879 --> 02:51:23,960
Speaker 4: And a sea of le Or and Russell Kevin.

3120
02:51:25,120 --> 02:51:26,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I trust me.

3121
02:51:27,000 --> 02:51:31,160
Speaker 1: I've heard Russell Simmons name as Hustle Simmons.

3122
02:51:31,720 --> 02:51:36,960
Speaker 2: I've heard lee Or. I've never heard I've never heard

3123
02:51:37,080 --> 02:51:42,000
Speaker 2: Kevin Lies. I've never heard that. I've never heard that once.

3124
02:51:43,400 --> 02:51:44,720
Speaker 2: Bill me.

3125
02:51:45,080 --> 02:51:48,400
Speaker 9: Yeah, Yeah, what did I learn, boss, Bill? I didn't

3126
02:51:48,440 --> 02:51:51,800
Speaker 9: really learn anything. I just got a lot of things reinforced.

3127
02:51:52,360 --> 02:51:54,640
Speaker 9: I really wish this was a conversation that I could

3128
02:51:54,680 --> 02:51:57,160
Speaker 9: have been a part of. On May fourth, two thousand

3129
02:51:57,160 --> 02:52:02,560
Speaker 9: and two, before I started my first job music industry, Steve,

3130
02:52:02,600 --> 02:52:03,760
Speaker 9: you know what you didn't learn?

3131
02:52:04,800 --> 02:52:07,000
Speaker 4: Yeah?

3132
02:52:07,080 --> 02:52:08,600
Speaker 2: Do you know what you did not learn?

3133
02:52:09,160 --> 02:52:11,240
Speaker 5: How to get back into this room.

3134
02:52:12,560 --> 02:52:13,480
Speaker 2: I've been getting.

3135
02:52:13,200 --> 02:52:17,440
Speaker 6: Text messages all the way from Steve who every time

3136
02:52:17,640 --> 02:52:18,240
Speaker 6: here you.

3137
02:52:18,160 --> 02:52:20,320
Speaker 2: Left the room in such a glorious moment.

3138
02:52:20,040 --> 02:52:22,400
Speaker 5: For you and create places.

3139
02:52:24,200 --> 02:52:25,640
Speaker 4: That's what happened when you were you.

3140
02:52:27,240 --> 02:52:27,400
Speaker 8: Did?

3141
02:52:27,600 --> 02:52:28,360
Speaker 5: What did I not learn?

3142
02:52:28,440 --> 02:52:30,400
Speaker 2: Were you at the window like banging on the window.

3143
02:52:30,560 --> 02:52:31,800
Speaker 5: I wish I was that close.

3144
02:52:33,320 --> 02:52:36,120
Speaker 4: Elevators because what did I not learn?

3145
02:52:36,200 --> 02:52:37,520
Speaker 5: Does he manage Billy Joelis?

3146
02:52:40,640 --> 02:52:41,680
Speaker 2: That would be your sugar?

3147
02:52:42,280 --> 02:52:42,440
Speaker 8: Oh?

3148
02:52:42,520 --> 02:52:45,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you guys were brothers.

3149
02:52:45,320 --> 02:52:46,760
Speaker 6: And then he talked about his diet, and then we

3150
02:52:46,800 --> 02:52:48,640
Speaker 6: made fun of your diet, and then you here that

3151
02:52:48,720 --> 02:52:50,600
Speaker 6: was fine, and then yeah, and.

3152
02:52:50,600 --> 02:52:51,520
Speaker 4: Then he blessed the mirror.

3153
02:52:51,560 --> 02:52:52,240
Speaker 8: It was beautiful.

3154
02:52:52,320 --> 02:52:54,160
Speaker 5: It was I did learn some things.

3155
02:52:54,240 --> 02:52:55,920
Speaker 2: What did you learn? He wrote?

3156
02:52:59,800 --> 02:53:03,000
Speaker 15: Well, Well, I want to hear one of these songs

3157
02:53:03,000 --> 02:53:06,879
Speaker 15: with with ten turntables, right, I mean I've put it

3158
02:53:06,920 --> 02:53:09,680
Speaker 15: together in my Head's five guys right each with two.

3159
02:53:09,760 --> 02:53:14,120
Speaker 6: Good math buddies, good math.

3160
02:53:15,320 --> 02:53:15,920
Speaker 2: That's one thing.

3161
02:53:16,120 --> 02:53:18,160
Speaker 1: That's the one thing, and that we didn't clearly explain

3162
02:53:18,240 --> 02:53:21,640
Speaker 1: that when he was talking about that he kept the bass.

3163
02:53:21,680 --> 02:53:25,840
Speaker 1: Like the thing of of Baltimore house music was that

3164
02:53:25,879 --> 02:53:28,720
Speaker 1: they would turn any song into a four on the

3165
02:53:28,720 --> 02:53:31,320
Speaker 1: floor song. So it doesn't matter. It could be like

3166
02:53:31,480 --> 02:53:34,680
Speaker 1: Jump by Van Helen. Somebody would spin Jump by Van Helen.

3167
02:53:38,360 --> 02:53:40,440
Speaker 5: That somebody scratching and somebody playing a bassline.

3168
02:53:40,520 --> 02:53:40,640
Speaker 11: Right.

3169
02:53:40,879 --> 02:53:42,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, So he was saying that his job was just

3170
02:53:43,000 --> 02:53:47,680
Speaker 1: to keep the steady eight weight. In Chicago, they would

3171
02:53:47,680 --> 02:53:50,200
Speaker 1: actually have a guy play the eight weight live in

3172
02:53:50,240 --> 02:53:51,560
Speaker 1: the booth. So I don't know if he had an

3173
02:53:51,600 --> 02:53:54,160
Speaker 1: eight weight machine or he was just spinning records that

3174
02:53:54,240 --> 02:53:58,959
Speaker 1: had a consistent Yeah, but yeah, you turn you turn

3175
02:53:59,160 --> 02:54:00,960
Speaker 1: every song into a four on the floor song.

3176
02:54:01,080 --> 02:54:04,080
Speaker 15: So are there albums that the listeners can can reference

3177
02:54:04,320 --> 02:54:06,439
Speaker 15: to hear ten turntables playing.

3178
02:54:06,440 --> 02:54:08,119
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's a live experience.

3179
02:54:08,320 --> 02:54:09,879
Speaker 4: It's more of a live I'm about to say that, like,

3180
02:54:09,959 --> 02:54:10,960
Speaker 4: how did that now?

3181
02:54:11,240 --> 02:54:11,400
Speaker 6: Right?

3182
02:54:11,520 --> 02:54:12,800
Speaker 4: Like now?

3183
02:54:12,920 --> 02:54:15,840
Speaker 1: The only person I've seen that that actually played more

3184
02:54:15,879 --> 02:54:21,240
Speaker 1: than four at once? Uh, well, yeah, the scratch pristal

3185
02:54:21,320 --> 02:54:25,320
Speaker 1: or or the executioners at one point we're doing that.

3186
02:54:25,959 --> 02:54:29,120
Speaker 15: The other stuff I learned was, uh, I think this

3187
02:54:29,200 --> 02:54:31,320
Speaker 15: must be the only person in the world who took

3188
02:54:31,320 --> 02:54:33,960
Speaker 15: an internship when he had all that money, right, Yeah,

3189
02:54:34,440 --> 02:54:37,000
Speaker 15: I mean that's that's something special, you know. I mean,

3190
02:54:37,040 --> 02:54:38,960
Speaker 15: obviously you take internships.

3191
02:54:38,360 --> 02:54:42,800
Speaker 1: To get your fright the internship without a goal at

3192
02:54:42,800 --> 02:54:43,520
Speaker 1: the end too.

3193
02:54:44,480 --> 02:54:45,480
Speaker 5: I don't believe that part.

3194
02:54:45,520 --> 02:54:48,240
Speaker 6: But then didn't take the boss job for two years

3195
02:54:48,280 --> 02:54:49,840
Speaker 6: like in ninety Is that humble?

3196
02:54:50,000 --> 02:54:53,360
Speaker 2: Right? He's like, I don't know it yet. I would

3197
02:54:53,400 --> 02:54:55,040
Speaker 2: do that. I would do that. I would actually you

3198
02:54:55,080 --> 02:54:57,080
Speaker 2: say that, but like, no, I wouldn't do that. But

3199
02:54:57,120 --> 02:54:59,640
Speaker 2: that's if you know you're not ready, you're not gonna

3200
02:54:59,640 --> 02:55:01,760
Speaker 2: put me in the position up.

3201
02:55:02,360 --> 02:55:03,920
Speaker 6: I come from a different places, which is like to

3202
02:55:04,000 --> 02:55:08,359
Speaker 6: learn on the job someone.

3203
02:55:06,280 --> 02:55:13,240
Speaker 2: That you know, you know, the white thing is you're

3204
02:55:13,280 --> 02:55:15,160
Speaker 2: my brother. But I'm just saying like, because the thing

3205
02:55:15,240 --> 02:55:17,480
Speaker 2: is if I learn on the job and fuck up

3206
02:55:18,400 --> 02:55:23,640
Speaker 2: another nigga for twenty years, me like I'm sucking.

3207
02:55:23,440 --> 02:55:26,160
Speaker 14: Up for everybody, but also running a label and crashing

3208
02:55:26,160 --> 02:55:28,280
Speaker 14: and burning it. It's a big, high profile thing you

3209
02:55:28,280 --> 02:55:29,040
Speaker 14: wouldn't want to do.

3210
02:55:29,200 --> 02:55:31,080
Speaker 6: So Telecommunications Act, got it.

3211
02:55:32,800 --> 02:55:37,440
Speaker 2: We all remember Andrew Rowe and then the whole motown man. Yeah,

3212
02:55:37,560 --> 02:55:41,760
Speaker 2: he never lived. I mean, how many streets did we see?

3213
02:55:41,800 --> 02:55:41,840
Speaker 11: Of?

3214
02:55:42,800 --> 02:55:44,480
Speaker 2: I remember that? I just have one in my head.

3215
02:55:44,480 --> 02:55:47,520
Speaker 2: It's one of It's a shot from behind, sitting there

3216
02:55:47,959 --> 02:55:50,600
Speaker 2: with a cigar, with a cigar and the sweater draped

3217
02:55:50,640 --> 02:55:52,680
Speaker 2: on the back of the chair. I think his name

3218
02:55:52,720 --> 02:55:56,280
Speaker 2: on it. That's all I remember of his tenure. Mood Town.

3219
02:55:56,600 --> 02:55:59,640
Speaker 2: That's all I remember to no music, Remember, no jam

3220
02:55:59,720 --> 02:55:59,880
Speaker 2: was coming.

3221
02:56:00,600 --> 02:56:01,600
Speaker 5: I learned more ship?

3222
02:56:01,879 --> 02:56:09,200
Speaker 2: All right, say one thing? Did you yourself that it's

3223
02:56:09,240 --> 02:56:10,680
Speaker 2: good stuff? What else did you learn, Steve?

3224
02:56:11,920 --> 02:56:15,199
Speaker 15: Well, you know that nice guys don't always finish last.

3225
02:56:15,200 --> 02:56:17,040
Speaker 15: This guy seems to be the exception to the rule,

3226
02:56:17,400 --> 02:56:20,000
Speaker 15: you know, And that's nice to see, if I mean,

3227
02:56:20,080 --> 02:56:21,119
Speaker 15: unless he's playing.

3228
02:56:20,920 --> 02:56:27,280
Speaker 5: Us ship and I had I did no, No, I don't,

3229
02:56:27,360 --> 02:56:28,039
Speaker 5: I don't, did you.

3230
02:56:31,360 --> 02:56:31,680
Speaker 2: I don't.

3231
02:56:31,800 --> 02:56:33,240
Speaker 5: I think I think he made it on.

3232
02:56:33,200 --> 02:56:37,920
Speaker 15: Humility and and and probably honesty and hard work and

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Speaker 15: all these really these nice things that we should all

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Speaker 15: people remember you when you yes, yes, people remember that ship.

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Speaker 1: Well, what else can I learn more than two three

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Speaker 1: things in three hours?

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Speaker 2: Steve is talking about supreme mana.

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Speaker 5: I had an idea.

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Speaker 15: I think if you want to get one of these

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Speaker 15: real juicy stories to come out about the deaf jam

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Speaker 15: years that you're always trying to get. You got to

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Speaker 15: find some cleaning lady who used to work there instead

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Speaker 15: of one of these executives.

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Speaker 5: Lose and just and then you know we interview her.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, you guys definitely echoed the same sentiments about

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Speaker 1: what I learned. I definitely know that I want to

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Speaker 1: hear uh Dame Dash's side of the story. So I'm

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Speaker 1: putting this out there in the atmosphere, Dame Dash, We're

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Speaker 1: gunning for you and a cleaning lady and the deaf

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Speaker 1: jam Flex will not be here, so don't be afraid.

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Speaker 2: Shots damn.

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Speaker 1: Everything, Okay, all right on belf Fan, Ticcolo, Sugar, Steve, Boss, Bill.

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Speaker 2: Like You aka Angry Margarete.

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Speaker 16: Unfaiville and even Scott ya Yo and nice staff here

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Speaker 16: w n y C this Quest Love Supreme or Pandora,

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Speaker 16: we will see you on the flip side.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Quest Love Supreme. It's a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: This classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora.

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