1 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: I'm a little under the weather today, so sorry about 3 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: the raspy voice. I was going to cop out and 4 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: not do a monologue, but I have something to say, 5 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: so I drank a bunch of tea and I figure, 6 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: let's do this. My friend Jordan Shachtel, who has been 7 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: a guest on this show, has a great post on 8 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,919 Speaker 1: his substack, The Dossier about the lack of honor in 9 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,599 Speaker 1: the Olympics. Man, I sound weird. Sorry about that. He 10 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: writes about how the boxers in the women's boxing events 11 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: representing Taiwan and Algeria are actually biological men, but also 12 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: the story of the American sprinter Noah Lyles, who Jordan 13 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: writes quote was running around the track like a madman, 14 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: a big time show man, the new world's fastest man, 15 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: was hyping up the crowd, convinced he was about to 16 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: make history. Jordan adds that Lyle's quote ultimately came up short, 17 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: winning the bronze, which is still an incredibly impressive feat. However, 18 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: instead of walking off with dignity and congratulating the gold 19 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: and silver medallists, Lyles collapsed to the ground and accepted 20 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 1: the assistance of a wheelchair exit from the arena. After 21 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: the race, he claimed he was stricken with COVID nineteen. 22 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: No honor, No dignity end quote. Jordan concludes, quote The 23 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: Olympics serve as just a small example of a macro 24 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: problem we face, particularly in the West. For our societies 25 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: to allow for human flourishing, they need to place honor 26 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,919 Speaker 1: on top of the attribute's hierarchy once more. The twenty 27 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: twenties started with the likes of COVID, snitch hotlines and 28 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: power grabbing dishonorable lunatics, and it has continued with the 29 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: Olympics of dishonor. To get back on track, we must 30 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: once again elevate the people and institutions that defend and 31 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: promote on end quote. This is related to what I've 32 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: been talking about for the last few episodes. Is good 33 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: behavior in some countries what Jordan refers to as honor, 34 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,839 Speaker 1: natural or encouraged by law. I spent the last few 35 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: weeks in New York, outside the city, on the suburbs 36 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: of Long Island. In the suburbs of Long Island, I 37 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: know Long Island is very particular about on and in 38 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: you're on Long Island, but maybe you're in the suburbs 39 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: of Long Island. In Florida, there are signs everywhere the 40 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: drivers have to yield to pedestrians, especially in parking lots, 41 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: and it's the law. It's become completely natural to me 42 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: to walk in front of cars knowing they will stop, 43 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: and happily stop and knowingly stop. We don't do the 44 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: dance in Florida of who goes first, the pedestrian, the car. 45 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: The pedestrian goes first. But in New York I've been 46 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: honked at for that. And I admit that when I 47 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: lived in New York City, I have definitely honked at pedestrians, 48 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: like crossing on a red light in Manhattan, otherwise you'll 49 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: never get through. But honking at pedestrians in parking lots 50 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: seems like a different thing. So do pedestrians get the 51 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: right of way in Florida parking lots because the culture 52 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: is different? Yes? Is the culture different because people understand 53 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: it's the law to let people go before cars. 54 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 2: Probably also yes. 55 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: And by the way, I looked up the law in 56 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 1: New York and it appears to be the exact same. 57 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: You yield to pedestrians when you're driving. It's a small thing, right, 58 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: but it's a different culture. It makes things different. I 59 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: have been like offended at the honking in New York, like, 60 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: what are you doing? I'm a pedestrian, I'm walking. How 61 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: can you be honking? You know that's inappropriate? And I 62 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: wonder how much it's tied to people knowing that there's 63 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,119 Speaker 1: a law about it. I said in the last two 64 00:03:55,120 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: episodes that Singapore, where I visited in July, is an 65 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: orderly society because they enforce their laws, and largely it's 66 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: the same laws we have here about littering, loitering, et cetera, 67 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: but that we don't enforce at all. And I thought 68 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: I had reached the conclusion that laws go hand in 69 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 1: hand with culture. We don't need more laws, we need 70 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: enforcement and understanding of the ones we have. But that 71 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: doesn't explain the lack of honor thing in the Olympics. 72 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: How can you be a world class athlete and behave 73 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 1: that way on the world stage. I think that's a 74 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: deeper rot than just related to laws we don't enforce, 75 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,799 Speaker 1: and I'm truly not sure how we fix that. Maybe 76 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: it's small steps. Maybe we start with enforcing the smaller things. 77 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: Maybe we don't accept littering. You know, you pull out 78 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: of the airport in Singapore and everything's so clean. You 79 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: pull out of the airport and JFK Airport and Queens 80 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: and this garbage just dumped all along the side of 81 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: the highway. That's not because of our freedom. We don't 82 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: have garbage all over the highways because we're so free. 83 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 1: We have it because we're not enforcing laws of punishing 84 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: the people who did that. So I don't know. I 85 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: think one thing might lead to the other. I'm going 86 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 1: to think about this some more, and I'd love to 87 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: hear your thoughts on it. Email me at Carol Markowitz 88 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 1: Show at gmail dot com or tweet at me. Coming 89 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: up next and interview with Yeah l Bar Tour join 90 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 1: us after the break. 91 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My 92 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 3: guest today is Yeah l Bar Tour. Yeah Elle is 93 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 3: social media consultant and co host of the Ask a 94 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 3: Jew podcast. Hi, y'lle, hey, Carol, Thanks for having me on. 95 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 3: Thanks for coming on. I've been on your Ask a Jew. 96 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 4: You have and when we were babies, well yeah, we 97 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 4: were just starting out. We're huge now, so yeah, I know, 98 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 4: well no, not huge, a. 99 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 5: Little bit, a little bit of growth. 100 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 3: No, absolutely, And I feel like I mean it, you know, 101 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 3: it's sort of a double edged sword. But since October seventh, 102 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 3: I've had so many kind of normy friends, you know, 103 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 3: friends who aren't perpetually online send me your stuff, which 104 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 3: has been amazing because I get to be like, I 105 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 3: know her, like know her. 106 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 4: No, you know, I'm glad my twitter rage is uh 107 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 4: providing comfort. 108 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 3: It's absolutely penetrated. And that's really you know, when I 109 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 3: think about a lot of the time when we're tweeting 110 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 3: or on Instagram or whatever, I want to pierce that 111 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 3: normy bubble. That's who we're supposed to want to talk to. 112 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 3: Talking to each other is pointless. So yeah, I think 113 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 3: you've done. 114 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 4: Around, not tied entirely, but it's all the purpose. 115 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 5: But yeah, but. 116 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 4: Also you can go you know, it's kind of like 117 00:06:58,400 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 4: kind of like having a drink or two. 118 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 5: It's it's it's fun, but you don't want to go 119 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 5: overboard exactly. 120 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 4: Sometimes we we we tend to like you know, marinate 121 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 4: in our own uh internal discussions. 122 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 2: So there's been some marinating. October seventh, again. 123 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 3: Was a kickoff of a lot of that, and you know, again, 124 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 3: better or worse, I feel. 125 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 6: Like Jews are awake and alert for. 126 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 3: The first time in a long time. I think I 127 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 3: don't think like I don't. I think I was awake. 128 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 6: I think you were awake, But I think. 129 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 2: A lot of a lot of our brethren less. 130 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 6: So so what have you seen? 131 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I hope you're right. I I keep 132 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 5: I keep saying that as well. 133 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 4: And you know, because I've obviously encountered people who have 134 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 4: told me that they never really cared that much about Israel, 135 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 4: and I'm sure you have too, but suddenly have kind 136 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 4: of paid more attention. I was listening to Sam Harris 137 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 4: uh being interviewed who with somebody who has said several 138 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 4: times that he doesn't you know, obviously he's an atheist, 139 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 4: even though he's Jewish, but he said several times that 140 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 4: he has no you know, no connection or no affinity 141 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 4: to Israel and has become you know, a big old Zionist. 142 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 5: Really yeah, yeah, but. 143 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 4: I want to I'm gonna like, you know, I it's 144 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 4: a problem having a podcast host because now I want 145 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 4: to ask you questions. But sometimes I hope we're not 146 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 4: overstating that shift because we also see a lot of unfortunately, 147 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 4: I hear about a lot of people whose kids, whose 148 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 4: college aged kids have kind of gone off the rails. 149 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 4: And I wonder if if some Jews are still hoping 150 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 4: to just you know, say, well maybe if we opt 151 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 4: out of this whole discussion will be okay. 152 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 5: And you know, I hope that's not the thing. Yeah, 153 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 5: but I'm sure what happens. 154 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 7: I feel that, and I I'm going to write about this, 155 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 7: but I've spent a lot of time being angry at 156 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 7: those people that think that they're exempt. 157 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 2: My parents are also atheists. 158 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 3: My parents were you know, again, atheist Jews from the 159 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 3: Soviet Union, because what else were you going to be 160 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 3: except atheists whose lives were saved because Israel existed. And 161 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 3: I've never lived in Israel, and it's not that when 162 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 3: we left the Soviet Union there was one country that 163 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 3: guaranteed they were going to take us. Yes, we can 164 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 3: go elsewhere. And my parents, I I always say, they 165 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 3: were born American, They always wanted to be American. They 166 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 3: you know, there's a picture of my father in his twenties, 167 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 3: like with a map of the United States behind. 168 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 6: Him and natural born Americans. But they exist. 169 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 3: I exist, This all exists our whole life because Israel said. 170 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 2: Should no one else take you guys in? 171 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 3: You have a home here, So you can be an 172 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 3: atheist Jew. You can pretend this doesn't apply to you, 173 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 3: you can all all of that. At the end of 174 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 3: the day, there's only one country that's going to say, 175 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 3: I'm here for you, no matter what happens. And maybe 176 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 3: I don't need it, and that's true, for I really 177 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 3: haven't needed it in my life beyond that moment of 178 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 3: leaving the Soviet Union. 179 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 2: But I'm not the only Jew I care about. 180 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:18,959 Speaker 3: And it's crazy that, you know, these people who think 181 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 3: that they could just put their heads down and not 182 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 3: worry about it, think that they're exempt when they're not. 183 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 4: You know, I forgot who said this, but somebody said 184 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 4: that in every generation there are Jews who figure out 185 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 4: that if we just stop doing this one thing, then 186 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 4: will be okay. And I think for a lot of 187 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 4: people now, it's like, well, if we just stop supporting Israel, right, 188 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 4: it will be accepted. 189 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 5: And look, you know, I don't have a crystal ball. 190 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 4: Maybe that's going to be true for ten years, or 191 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 4: fifty years or one hundred years. But also you know 192 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 4: what a price to pay, like throwing justice and everybody 193 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 4: else in your community under the bus for a chance 194 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 4: to kind of shed your identity to fit in. 195 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 6: Absolutely not very American either, right. 196 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 3: Well, so you know the conversation about why Jews should 197 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 3: support Israel is one thing. Why would you say non 198 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 3: Jewish Americans should support Israel? 199 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 5: Yeah? 200 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 4: Well, I think you know, for me, the most heartwarming 201 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 4: thing is is when we get for for the Askatoo podcast, 202 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 4: which you should listen to available wherever you get your 203 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 4: podcasts and on subset conversation between me, I'm a very 204 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 4: kind of more on the I don't know, liberal secular 205 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 4: Jewish side, and my host is very very religious. 206 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,199 Speaker 6: But you know liberals she means religiously. 207 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, but but also, you know it sounds very serious, 208 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 4: it's not. We talk a lot about what, you know, 209 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 4: which world dictators we think are the hottest, and we're. 210 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 5: Going to come back to that. 211 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 4: So, yeah, we can come back to that when you know, 212 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 4: young Kadaffi had had a a But you know, the 213 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 4: most heartwarming thing for me is when when we get 214 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 4: emails from listeners who aren't aren't Jewish and aren't necessarily 215 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 4: even religious, Christian, but just kind of like you said, 216 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 4: normis and they have their their support for Israel comes 217 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 4: from their deep support of American values. And I think 218 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 4: I think it's it's it's a values question because you know, 219 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 4: people tend to think about what's going on in Israel's 220 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 4: and Israeli Palestinian conflict, but in reality, it's it's so 221 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 4: much more, such, so much more than that. Right, It's 222 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 4: a conflict between uh, you know, a liberal democratic state 223 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 4: and forces of you know, it's a conflict between Israel 224 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 4: and Iran. It's a conflict at the end of the day, 225 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 4: also involving other actors like China and North Korea, not 226 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 4: at the conspiracy theory level, like at the actual you know, 227 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 4: weapons sales and deals level. So I think if you 228 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 4: stand for American values, which you know are our freedom 229 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 4: are again I'm sorry, I use the L word a 230 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 4: lot liberal, but I mean, you know, small L liberal 231 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 4: values of you know, of freedom and being able to 232 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,959 Speaker 4: do so while having self determination. I think those are 233 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 4: things that really really speak to Americans because they're American values. 234 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 4: And when I was growing up in Israel, American interests 235 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 4: and Israeli interest to me were interchangeable, right. You know, 236 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 4: you grow up, you learn more about geopolitics. But just 237 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 4: that was the sense, the feeling I got when I 238 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 4: looked at what Americans believe in and what israelis to leave, 239 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,959 Speaker 4: and I felt that was those were the same things. 240 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 4: And add to that, you know, you look at some 241 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 4: of the people protesting now, and you know, spoiler alert 242 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 4: for people who don't know, it's not just Israel that 243 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 4: they hate, right, I think you're going to have a 244 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 4: hard time finding with some of these Prohamas protests people 245 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 4: who also consider themselves proud Americans and when. 246 00:13:58,240 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 5: They say they want to burn it down, they want 247 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 5: to burn it all down. 248 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 6: Right. 249 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 3: It's just it's so funny that there are people who 250 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 3: are trying to pretend otherwise on that, Like, no, no, 251 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 3: they're just really like they love America. They just want 252 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 3: to destroy Israel. Like I've never met such a person, not, 253 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 3: you know ever. 254 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:21,239 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And they're you know, unfortunately incredibly incredibly 255 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 4: brainwashed and misinformed as well. 256 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, you could see it in everything that they do, 257 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 3: the fact that they can't explain what they're protesting, all 258 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 3: of that that. 259 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 2: Would you know, I have three kids. 260 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 3: My favorite videos to yeah, yes, oh yeah, they're so satisfying. 261 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 3: But it would kill me. It would actually kill me. 262 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 3: And it does have to be about Israel, about anything. 263 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 3: My kid is caught on a video and they're asked like, 264 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 3: why are you protesting and they have no idea. 265 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 6: I would die. 266 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 3: I would just die. I would feel so embarrassed and 267 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 3: ashamed of my parenting that produced a child who's out 268 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 3: in the street protesting just because and they can't tell 269 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 3: me what it's about. 270 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 2: I hate that. 271 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 3: And I don't let my kids talk politics because I 272 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 3: always am like, you don't know anything, like just give 273 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 3: it a minute, like figu your stuff out and then 274 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 3: come back to me. 275 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 6: Even when they when they're trying to agree with me. 276 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. I want them to probably figure out 277 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 3: the path. I don't want them to parrot what I'm saying, 278 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 3: And when I hear them parroting what I'm saying, I 279 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 3: go after them. I try to argue the other side 280 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 3: and I try to make it harder for them. 281 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 6: So, yeah, those kids, it would really bother me. 282 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's you know, I sometimes when I'm feeling charitable, 283 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 4: which is not often, but you know, I put myself 284 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 4: in their shoes and I say, Okay, they're they're deeply affected. 285 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 4: They feel you know, you see, you see human suffering 286 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 4: and it affects you, and you know it's it's it's 287 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 4: a natural reaction. But there's a certain kind of arrogance. No, 288 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 4: I think it's dangerous arrogance to be able to say 289 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 4: I learned about something from through my heart and not 290 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 4: in this through my head. Or I listen to a 291 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 4: three minute story on NPR and now it is on 292 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 4: me to save the world. It's just deeply, deeply arrogant, 293 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 4: and really we have no time for that. 294 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, and my sign at my elite college is going 295 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 3: to do that. 296 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 6: It's going to you know, and the war. It's going 297 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 6: to Uh. 298 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 4: If I just put the thing on my cap on 299 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 4: graduation and post it on Instagram to my eight hundred followers, 300 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 4: it will be you know, a child in Daza, will 301 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 4: you know, will send me a letter thank you? 302 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, right, exactly. 303 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 6: So what would you say is America's largest cultural problem? 304 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 3: Is it that we have these like kind of ignorant 305 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 3: moments where people display that ignorance out in the open 306 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 3: and other people applaud it or something else. 307 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 4: I think I think we need to bring back reality shows. 308 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 4: I think, really yeah, this is like a theory I've 309 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 4: been playing around with. I think what we see on 310 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 4: campuses right now and just in with the younger generation, 311 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 4: it's that type of like obnoxious vanity where usually we 312 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 4: used to be able to put all those people in 313 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 4: a house and watch. 314 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 2: Them like is it love Island? 315 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 5: Like a yeah, right now we need more of that. 316 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 4: But you know, I think people, I think a lot 317 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 4: of this is about, you know, just human needs for 318 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 4: some people who are young, and they want to be 319 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 4: the center attention and they're they're all feelings and no brain, 320 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 4: and you know, they want everybody to look at them. 321 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 4: And I think, you know, I'm not one to say 322 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 4: that social media is the devil. I've I've been working 323 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 4: in social media since since its inception, pretty much when 324 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 4: it was a very different place, when it was still 325 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 4: very utopian, and you know, we thought this is going 326 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 4: to be a great and I spent my career trying 327 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 4: to like build relationships between police departments and communities and governments. 328 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 5: And we know that it's a different place right. 329 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 4: Now, but I think culturally, intellectually, I think it's made 330 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 4: us comfortable with kind of bite sized pieces of information 331 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 4: and things that are trigger your emotions rather than being 332 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 4: able to like deeply think about about topics. I've seen 333 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 4: it with policing, which is you know, the field I 334 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 4: was in before. I've seen it with Israel. You know, 335 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 4: we see it every time we see a split second 336 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 4: video of anything. And I think just teaching kids that 337 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 4: critical thinking and to treat you know, Instagram and TikTok 338 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 4: or whatever like a like controlled substance, not say, like 339 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 4: you know, eliminate it from your life completely, but just 340 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 4: use it, use it responsibly. 341 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 6: Yeah. 342 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean adults can probably do the same, yeah, 343 00:18:58,840 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 3: the hundred of that. 344 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think kids are I don't know, you know, 345 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 4: you have kids, Yeah, more for sure. 346 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 5: But but also I think. 347 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 4: More adaptable than we think. I think the kids that 348 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 4: grow up in this, I'm hopeful that maybe they find 349 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 4: a way to just incorporate it into their lives and 350 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 4: in a way that they can treat it with some suspicion. 351 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 4: Maybe maybe the younger ones, I hope, you know, I 352 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 4: hope I'm not mistagan, but I think they're a little 353 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 4: I think the young ones, the super young ones, maybe 354 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 4: like under fifteen or are a little more uh, you know, 355 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 4: delightfully cynical. 356 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 2: I think so. I mean, I hope all of mine. 357 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 3: I have three kids under fifteen, so they're definitely they 358 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 3: use internet. They're different way, yeah, but they use it. 359 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 2: But they they they're not. 360 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 3: Like it's there's no social media. They're not posting pictures 361 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 3: of themselves like eating. I don't know, it's change, it's changed. 362 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 3: There's other problems with it, but it's not like what 363 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 3: you used to be. Yeah, so maybe maybe we do 364 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 3: have hope in that younger generation. 365 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 4: And I hope, hopefully at least have them mock because 366 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:12,360 Speaker 4: you know, Penniels and gen Z they can at least 367 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:13,719 Speaker 4: they can rebel against them. 368 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:14,239 Speaker 5: That will be there. 369 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, they are easily mockable those generations. We're going to 370 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 3: take a quick break and be right back on the 371 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 3: Carol Marcowitch Show. 372 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 2: So where did you come from? 373 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 6: Where? What was your like? How did you get to 374 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 6: where you are today? 375 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 2: I was an activist? 376 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 4: No, no, I don't know that I'm an activist now. 377 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 4: I always had a big mouth. I think I grew 378 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 4: up in Israel, thorn and raised there. I spent four 379 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 4: years of my childhood in Australia, so I was always 380 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 4: kind of bilingual. I picked up English at a young 381 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 4: age and came back to Israel and was fully immersed 382 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 4: in American culture like a lot of Israeli is my 383 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 4: but more so because the language came naturally. So I 384 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 4: always felt like I had a foot in both worlds. 385 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 4: And you know, I always say, like, you know, the 386 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 4: Simpsons and Con O'Brien taught me English, right, and yeah, 387 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 4: Ima exactly. And I came to the US after I 388 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 4: served in the military and israel I got my my 389 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 4: undergraduate degree in Israel, and I came to the US. 390 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 5: A lot of people ask me why. 391 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 4: It's a good question, But for Israeli is it's kind 392 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 4: of people don't ask that because everybody knows that you 393 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 4: you know, people want to like dream big and go 394 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 4: to America. Yeah right, Americans don't necessarily not that they 395 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 4: say like why would you come here? But I don't 396 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 4: think they always understand how everybody in the world wants 397 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 4: to come here, right. 398 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 3: I think it's because they think that other free countries 399 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 3: are the same as US, And yeah, I mean they 400 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 3: are because look, you know, I as one in the 401 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 3: Soviet Union. My family celebrates our America Versary every year. 402 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 3: It's a really big deal. Israeli in laws and my 403 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 3: Israeli husband, they're all there. They don't know when they 404 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 3: came to America, it's a different, different story. They came, 405 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 3: they left the case that they loved it, it was 406 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 3: a free country. 407 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 6: Then they moved to a different free country. 408 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 3: I think people don't realize that the US still does 409 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 3: hold this, you know. An the American dream is the 410 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 3: American dream. It's not the Australian dream. It's not the 411 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 3: Sweetish dream. It's the American dream. And there's something about that. 412 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, And you know, I love this country, even though 413 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 4: the last few years have been have been pretty difficult 414 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 4: for me, you know, just I'm. 415 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 5: Not an American. 416 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,479 Speaker 4: I have a I'm a I have my Green card finally, 417 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 4: so I'm a permanent resident. 418 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 6: Congratulations. 419 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you. It's super super super exciting. Oh my gosh. 420 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 4: It took a long time. 421 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 5: But I didn't leave. 422 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 6: You know. 423 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 4: I also don't feel like I left Israel. And if 424 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 4: that's a weird thing to say, because my family's there, 425 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 4: I go back there as much as I can. 426 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 5: I just spend a month there. 427 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 4: I am one hundred percent Israeli and one hundred percent American. 428 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 4: But I left, you know, I came here not because 429 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 4: of the war or the economy, but just I think 430 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 4: because I don't know, I had an appetite for I 431 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 4: don't know, to be in the in the world. And 432 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 4: Israel's very small. 433 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 3: It is, right, yes, absolutely, the vastest of America is 434 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 3: another gives you a lot of possibility. 435 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I love you know, I love 436 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 4: traveling here. And I live in New York and I've 437 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 4: lived in la and in Boston, so always in like 438 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 4: big cities, and as much as whenever I get a chance, 439 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 4: I like to go to Wyoming or Utah or just 440 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 4: like I've been joking with my friends now that I 441 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 4: want to I want to leave New York and go 442 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 4: somewhere where they like Jews, like. 443 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 2: I got the Florida for. 444 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 4: You or Georgia, you know, but I want to go 445 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 4: somewhere where there's probably not one Jew. But I would 446 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 4: like walk around with my my Israel hat and people would, 447 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 4: would you know, smile at me on the street. 448 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 3: Right. 449 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 2: So I was in rural Michigan this last year. 450 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 3: I did a fellowship at Hillsdale and I you know, 451 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 3: I had my Jewish star on campus and I had 452 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 3: I have a cool Israeli brand, a Ton, and my 453 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 3: bag says A ton and like big letters, and I 454 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 3: had no problem at all. And then you're driving around 455 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 3: these rural roads and you pass a church that says 456 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 3: pray for Israel, and you know there is not a 457 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 3: Jew for miles and they are praying for Israel. I 458 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 3: just loved it so much. 459 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 6: It was awesome. 460 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to send me those photos. People send 461 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 4: me those photos sometimes and I think, like, if I 462 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 4: was driving down that road, I would go and like 463 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 4: knock on that person's door say thank you, and they 464 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 4: probably like think I was going to kill them, But. 465 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 3: No, it's really Yea, it's magical when you see it 466 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 3: and you're like, wow, I am this is just I 467 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 3: love this country so much. 468 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it means a lot to me. And you know, 469 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 4: I was talking to a woman who owns a Druze 470 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 4: restaurant here in New York and Gazala. 471 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 5: You know, yeah, Gazala. 472 00:24:58,680 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 2: I love Gazala. 473 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 5: She's the best. 474 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 4: So for people who don't know, Drew's is a minority 475 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 4: in the Middle East in Israel, Syria, Lebanon, and they're 476 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 4: not Muslim, but they're kind of an offshoot of Islam 477 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 4: and they're speak Arabic anyway, all that to say, I 478 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 4: told her, you know, her son and her family that 479 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 4: serve in the IDEF and they're so Zionist, or you know, 480 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 4: any Christian who lives in Israel and serves in the IDEF, 481 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 4: like a lot of you know, young Filipinos and ties 482 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 4: now who come, whose parents come to work and the 483 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 4: kids are born in Israel. They to me are just 484 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 4: as much as my brothers and sisters as and you 485 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 4: in you know Westchester, even even more so, possibly more so. 486 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, which part of Westchester. 487 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, but it doesn't you know, it doesn't matter what 488 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 4: you believe in as long as you're kind of fighting 489 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 4: for for these values. 490 00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 5: Yeah. 491 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 6: So you have a green card now you're you have. 492 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 3: This amazing podcast. It is big and growing. Do you 493 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 3: feel like you've made it? 494 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 5: Yeah? 495 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 4: You know, I was thinking about I was thinking about that. 496 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 4: It's a it's a it's a tough question to answer. 497 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 4: I'd like to say yes. I think definitely from you know, 498 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 4: the very very anxious, angsty teenager and me, uh maybe 499 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 4: would not have expected to be where I am right now, 500 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 4: where the. 501 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 5: Anxious and angsty adult is. 502 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 4: But but yeah, you know that the part of the 503 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 4: part of being you know, having successes. I'm sure, I'm 504 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 4: sure you can relate to is you're always kind of 505 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 4: looking at the next thing. Yeah, but I think i've 506 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 4: you know, I'm very very happy where I am professionally, Uh, personally, 507 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 4: you know, I have, I have great, great relationships and friendships, 508 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 4: but we can always uh you know, could always be 509 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 4: a little better, and you know, and my my age. 510 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 4: But professionally, yeah, I'm satisfied, but always kind of you know, 511 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 4: always looking for a little bit more. 512 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 6: Of course, that's that's the that's what we're here for. 513 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 2: That's what the country is all about, the American dream. Yes, 514 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 2: so I love talking to you. 515 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, Ellie, You're one of my absolute favorite people. 516 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 3: And here with your best tip for my listeners on 517 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 3: how they can improve their lives. 518 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 5: Wow, I would say start small. 519 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 4: You know a lot of times people say I want 520 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 4: to lose, you know, forty pounds, or I want to 521 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 4: start being healthy. I want to make little little goals. 522 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 4: I have a friend group, a WhatsApp group with some friends, 523 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 4: some of them I don't even know, and we every month. 524 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 4: We've been doing this since April every month where we 525 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 4: write our goals. We commit to our goals and they 526 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 4: have to be achievable so it can be like mine 527 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 4: is like I want to read twenty minutes a day. 528 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 5: I want to write down everything I eat. 529 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 4: It's not like I'm gonna, you know, stop drinking and 530 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 4: run a marathon. Yeah, and you know, you just just 531 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 4: do it little by little. But even if you're start 532 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 4: small as what I'm saying, you know, some people struggle 533 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 4: with depression and they have a hard time getting out 534 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 4: of bed. Your goal should be to brush your teeth 535 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 4: and put on your clothes before eleven. Just start with 536 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,360 Speaker 4: something you can achieve and and take it from there. 537 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 2: I love that. 538 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 3: I talk about that a lot on the show also, 539 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 3: And actually twenty minutes of reading is write about where 540 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 3: my goals are also, and I always get there, but 541 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 3: I try. 542 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 4: I have completely failed on that goal. I've been good 543 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 4: at writing down my food, but I could, Yeah, I 544 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 4: could do better with reading. I'm reading that San Sharansky's 545 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 4: book right now, and like he's still in the middle, 546 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 4: He's still in the gulag. I've been reading this book 547 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 4: for like six months now, and he's he's still in 548 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 4: like the middle of it makes it out I hope, 549 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 4: so yeah, I know, spoilers. 550 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 2: Thanks so much, y'ell check her out. 551 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 6: She's amazing. 552 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 3: Her Instagram and her Twitter are both incredible and very active. 553 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 6: Yell Bartour, thank you so much. 554 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 5: Thank you. 555 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Carol Marcowitch Show. Subscribe wherever 556 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: you get your podcasts.